Arrows Pioneer 620mm Brushless Micro Bush Plane RTF - It Binds up to an OpenTX Transmitter, Awesome!
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- Arrows Pioneer 620mm Brushless Micro Bush Plane RTF - It Binds up to an OpenTX Transmitter, Awesome!
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Yes do the frequency tuning video I think it will help alot of people out. I have had to do it a couple of times on new non brand and brand FrSky receivers for the Tx16s. Numbers either side of zero don't seem to be uncommon. Either put it on a number line or enter the negatives in a calculator. It's easy enough, I think the biggest problem is finding the edge and approaching it slowly to get consistent numbers. It's great that someone gave you the heads up on the D8.
Hi Greg!
Yes, this is the 1st time I've had to do Freq. Tuning and I was surprised at how easy it was.
I wonder if there's a script out there somewhere so it would be automated ;-)
I'll try to put together a video of that process.
Yeah, as soon as Michael gave me the protocol information I immediately grabbed my TX16S and got to it.
See you in the Air!
Interested too… 😎😎😎
@@Indy64738 Thank you Indy!
I'll take it our again as soon as weather permits, and if everything works as it should and the signal is solid, I'll put together a Freq. Tuning Tutorial.
This is the first time I've performed that process so I hope I got it correct ;-)
@@GroundControlRC did you fly it already with the TX16S? When I learn to program expo and rates it changes my life…
@@Indy64738 Unfortunately, I haven't had the weather yet.
I was given the protocol information yesterday and immediately grabbed my TX16S to program in this Plane and perform the Freq. Tuning.
It's ready to go and I'm hoping the weather forecast hold for Monday.
Dual-Rates and EXPO make those control surfaces smooth ;-)
You Know if is funcional with Jumper T lite?... No came frsky D. Thankyou
The latest post states they've changed the board on this plane an no one knows the protocol and apparently Arrows will not provide that information.
It looks like the latest one will only bind with the stock transmitter.
The stock transmitter is very good but I would rather bind to my TX16S.
The latest version that they are selling has a newer board and it doesn’t appear to bind anymore to the 4 in 1 transmitters.
RCGroups forum on the plane has more information on this change.
Hi Brian!
I had heard that some where having an issue binding to Multi-Protocol Transmitters.
I wasn't sure if they had just shipped the wrong version, perhaps the EU version, or if they had completely changed the RX.
I've had mine for quite some time, however, these manufacturers seem to enjoy playing musical chairs with protocols.
One of these days they may realize having a plane that binds to a better transmitter will actually sell more units ;-)
We can only hope.
Are you able to do a video showing how you set up this transmitter with the plane.
I can't get mine to bind but I am new to this transmitter so it's probably something I'm missing whilst creating the plane
Hi Stewart!
Mine was already setup an pre-bound so I didn't have to do anything other than power it up.
Here is a link to the online manual.
www.hobbyzone.com/rc-airplanes/trainers/rtf/AH014R.html
If you look at page 9 it shows where the (2) bind buttons are on the transmitter.
It should have been pre-bound to the TX but sometimes they mess up ;-)
If you power up the TX and the Plane and then hold down both of those Buttons it should bind unless there is an issue with the Receiver or Transmitter.
Also, make sure you're several feet away from the Plane as sometimes the Transmitter signal can over power the Receiver.
I hope that helps.
Has anyone managed to find out what protocol the newer pioneers are operating on? I'd really like to set it up with my Boxer 4 in 1
No, I still don't know what the protocol is on the newer version.
I requested that information, via email to Arrows and HobbyZone, and never even got a response.
I guess they're not interested in providing this information.
@@GroundControlRC Strange, I wonder why they wouldn't share that info? Thanks for getting back to me. 👍
@@NoLogic69 You are most welcome.
I don't know why most RC Companies are non-responsive to questions since this information would sell more of they're products.
I've only had a couple of RC Companies that would respond to questions for information.
Hi Tony, NewBie here.. been looking at the Pioneer, however out of stock.. considering some BNF options in Arrows and or Hobbyzone-Spektrum .. being budget limited, looking at the RadioMaster TX12 MKII.. my question for you is ELRS vs 4in1..for these types of airplanes..not into drones etc..not sure which I would need.. thanks, and appreciate the videos.. learning a lot..
I noticed it was out of stock again the other day.
Seems they are selling a lot of them ;-)
One note on the Pioneer, it's my understanding they have changed the board on that plane and the new board will not bind up with a Multi-Protocol Transmitter.
I sent an email to Arrows/Hobby Zone a few weeks ago to get information on the new protocol and I never received a response.
I also know of someone else who emailed them for this information and never received a response.
It seems their support is really lacking so be aware of that.
Having said that, the TX that comes with the Pioneer RTF is the best RTF Transmitter I've used.
I would say it's an entry level Hobby-Grade TX.
I've never used ELRS and from what I understand it's geared more toward long range flight.
I like to fly close proximity performing aerobatics so long range doesn't appeal to me.
I know you need the 4-in-1 Module to be able to bind to all these other planes as that's where all the additional protocols come from.
If the TX12, as not familiar with any other Transmitters other than the TX16S, has a Module Port you can add just about anything you want with an external Module and that's one of the great things about these Modular Transmitters.
I hope that helps and I'll see you in the Air!
Thank you for taking the time to respond, I'll give some time to restock, but if I go BNF, the Pioneer would be off the list anyway.. perhaps a Bigfoot or similar.. thanks.
@@AzPauly You are most welcome.
See you in the Air!
Tony, I have a follow up question for you..
my preference would be the Arrows Pioneer 620-howwever Hobbyzone stated it may not be in stock until October, so, out of the XK A160 J3 Skylark Cub 3D/6G 650mm (closer spec to the Pioneer like size/brushless) or the Volantex Sport Cub 500 RTF (a lesser $ option)..which would you recommend for a park flyer newbie or are they 6 of one half dozen the other...I've viewed your older reviews on both but can't ascertain one better than the other, possibly the Cub being a little squirrely and the Volantex is a bit smaller and lighter and brushed if that makes any real difference at this level...looking for something that will fly slow in a park to learn on and be fun once I learn..ultimately would like a scale PT-17 Stearman as my late father in law owned one.. thanks again.
@@AzPauly Hi Paul!
I do not recommend the J3 Cub.
It took a lot of work to get that one flying decent so I would stay away from that one.
The Sport Cub 500 is still one I would recommend for a beginner.
It has a brushed motor and gearbox but it's a very good plane, very durable, the gyro is rock solid, and it has a huge fun factor.
Good for flying in parks.
It will also bind to a Multi-Protocol TX with a 4-in-1 Module.
I have a DX9 do you know if i can bind mine to it?
Hi Ken!
This plane uses the following Protocol:
Protocol = FrSky D
SubProtocol = D8
This plane comes as a RTF and the Transmitter that comes with this plane is the best RTF Transmitter I've used and I could fly just about as well with it as with the RadioMaster TX16S that I use.
@@GroundControlRC thanks much for the information! I’ll just use the one that came with it but I was thinking about some of the extras I might be able to get it to do.
Yeah, I don't like not having a throttle safety, whacked my finger the other day getting in a hurry lol 😂
Those throttle safety switches are a must have for me.
I've accidentally bumped the throttle stick with a plane setting on my little table. It didn't stay there for long ;-)
Can I tune it to the tx 12?
The Protocol mine has is supported with the 4-in-1 Module.
I've read that the latest version of this plane is using a different protocol and I have no idea what it is.
@@GroundControlRC I appreciate your input.
ok, but how do you put the receiver in bind mode?
If I remember correctly, as I've had to replace the Stock RX on mine, it comes up in bind mode when you power up.
So you just need to set your TX into Bind Mode with the proper Protocol.
That's with the original board mine came with.
I've read post reporting they have replaced the boards in this plane and are using a different protocol.
No one seems to know what protocol they are currently using and I emailed Hobby Zone to get that information and never received a response from them..
@GroundControlRC I suspect you are correct, it does default to bind mode up front on powering up. My Jr 6102 with a lemon TX kit will not bind to it.
Thank you so much for the response
@@antcontreras You are most welcome!
Yeah... show the Frequency Tuning. Good to know the Arrows Plane uses the FRsky protocol. Thanks to your Batman...
Yes, I want to thank my Batman for this information again ;-)
I'll try to put a tutorial together.
It's going to be even more fun with the TX16S.
See you in the Air!
Yes please! New subscriber here. As a 58 year old budding RC pilot, I'm trying to soak up as much info as possible. TH-cam is a great resource of info, obviously, but is a bit overwhelmed with endless "once and done" reviews by channel "shills" that LOVE everything, and whose primary goal appears to be to sell product for affiliate commissions, and to keep the new review products flowing from the manufacturers. I mean, I get it. Folks are trying to make a buck from TH-cam, and to be profitable, they need the support of Horizon, et al. Even still, I REALLY appreciate your MUCH more in depth videos and in depth descriptions, mods, etc. This plane is one that I have a lot of interest in as a small "park flyer model", so have enjoyed your series on it. I was unaware of the transmitter swap possibility with it until this video, so I would like to see more details on the subject. Probably already done, so will look through your channel. But, hell yeah, THIS is the sort of thing I've been searching for. Great channel! Keep up the good work of providing useful information!
Thank you much Michael!
I don't have a lot of information on the newly reported radio issues with this plane other than what I've heard reported.
I've heard that they many have shipped some EU Receivers in planes purchased in the US that has caused this issue.
I unfortunately can't verify any of this information.
I would email Arrows support before buying to see if you will receive one that has the receiver that can bind with a Multi-Protocol Transmitter.
If not being able to bind to a Multi-Protocol Transmitter is not an issue for you, I can tell you that his plane has the best RTF Transmitter of any RTF Plane I've flown.
It's as close to a Hobby-Grade Transmitter as you can get.
If it was programmable it would be a Hobby-Grade Transmitter IMO.
This is a fantastic RTF Beginner Plane that I highly recommend and I don't make a penny from the sales.
That's the advantage of this being a Hobby for me rather than a Business ;-)
See you in the Air!
@@GroundControlRC Wow! Thanks for the heads up! I wasn't aware there there was a binding issue until I read your reply. I just assumed that they would all bind with a TX. And yeah, adaptability is a thing for me. Wanted to get into RC planes 40+ years ago, but the $$$, logistics, and learning presented issues that kept me away. But, later in life, when resources are more readily available, and technology has made it possible to learn "on your own", I reached a point of "now or never!" And, as I've been into the RC car/trail truck/crawler thing for a while, upgrading from "out of the box" is definitely a consideration for me, so being able to upgrade to a quality transmitter, with all of the rates/expo, and programmability features, is a big deal for me. Will definitely check on this prior to ordering. Thanks again!
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Hey bud can you give me some help with how you went about cutting the wing of to gain access to the servos in side 👍🏾
I haven't had a chance to remove the wing on mine yet, but someone posted they had cut along the seam of where the wing is glued to the fuselage.
They also stated to be careful as there is a tab, not sure if it's the front or back of the wing, that inserts into the fuselage.
I always cut into these planes along the seams as it's less noticeable when reassembling.
@@GroundControlRC Thanks so much for the reply bud I just didn't want to mess anything up lol thanks again for the heads up I only asked cause the planes I have owned in the past have removable wings and I really wish this had that option since all the hardware is buried inside and hard to access to change out a dead servo or something lol thanks again 👍🏾✌🏾
@@scu-dub You are most welcome.
I'm not sure why they decided to glue this wing in rather than have it bolt onto the fuselage but that's how I'll be putting it back together once I have time to perform that MOD.
@@GroundControlRC hey bud just wanted to update you in the arrows pioneer I cut the wing off and just to let you know your gonna have to cut lower than the seam and actually about 1/4 inch down the" window stickers on the side" to make sure you cut through the entire foam body and the wing came right off but I put the linkage for the ailerons on the most outter hole and I got at least 30% more aileron travel it's raining here so I can go fly and see if the roll rate is better but just wanted to let you know man✌🏾
@@scu-dub @SCU- DUB I appreciate the update and information.
Like you I have some downtime, only here it's wind instead of rain.
I just finished putting mine back together ;-)
I did get the wing cutoff without damaging the foam tab on the front.
Luckily, they didn't glue in the tab, just the seam above the tab.
I moved my linkage to the outermost holes on the servo arm and drilled out those plastic control horn caps and moved them down to the midpoint on the linkage post.
It looks like I should have plenty of aileron authority now but I'll have to wait a couple to days to test due to wind.
If you get out before I do let me know what your roll rate is like now.
It's going to be fun ;-)
See you in the Air!
Nice. That transmitter may be your best acquisition in this hobby so far.
Yes, the Multi-Protocol Transmitters are a game changer which is why I acquired one. Absolutely awesome!
I think this TX is the single best piece of RC equipment I have.
Hope you will show how to frequency tune the TX16S. Thanks.
Thank you!
I'm going to try and put a tutorial together.
Hello mate,
I fell in love and so I received the pioneer yesterday with first flight, it is quite easy to handle! I constant that under gyroscope I have a differential on the ailerons like 12mn on the left against 6-8 on the right is it normal? And as it is in the programming of the gyro I cannot modify knowing that gyro off or acro I have no problem it is equal on the two fins
I'm glad you like it as it's an awesome little plane.
No, that much difference in the aileron movement is not normal, if I understand you correctly.
Does it require that much difference in the aileron movement when the gyro is in beginner mode?
Is it setting flat on it's wheels when it calibrates and the plane is completely level, no bend in the landing gear that would cause it to tilt?
@@GroundControlRC Once flat on the ground I don't see anything once put manually from side to side no difference it's with my chan 2 left side ok right side I see a difference on in gyro on mode and this with the basic rc Or my tx16s
I also tested without landing gear!
@@bdyoliver7751 Hum...maybe the gyro was not installed exactly level?
Please do a video on Frequency Tuning. Thanks!
Hi Paul!
I'll try to put one together.
Just got an Arrows Viper...wish I knew about the 3 switch deal and middle position being Direct mode. Anyway, does the Dynamic mode cut the aileron movement back to the same as Stability mode? That's what is happening to mine using an AR410 with TX16S. Other than that, all seems to be working correctly.
I'm not sure why Arrows did that instead of putting a 3-position switch in it or why the center position would be manual mode instead of the last position on the switch.
These companies certainly do some strange things.
I fly mine in dynamic mode quite often, as there's usually significant wind, and have no restrictions on movement of the control surfaces or angle.
I sounds like it's not switching into dynamic mode.
@@GroundControlRC Strange indeed...Dynamic mode is definitely in that mode, as there's no auto leveling but does have stabilization working. Well, went back at it again before I finished this post. I figured out the Logical Switches to get everything in order on switch SA, with Dynamic mode in the middle position. Dynamic mode still doesn't have the full movement as in Direct mode on the Ailerons. Elevator in all 3 modes move the same distance. Oh well, at least I was able to solve the AR410 nonsense from one of your commenters. Spektrum instructions say nothing that Ch1 is throttle, then A,E,R.
@@MrDLRu I'm glad you have all the modes working. Strange that the ailerons don't have full movement in dynamic mode.
See you in the Air!
@@GroundControlRC Well, just got off the phone with Hobbyzone and looks like Dynamic mode lowers aileron rates a bit, it's about an 1/8" difference, for the stabilization to work properly...In the air I go.
@@MrDLRu That's strange as would think they could fix that with the gains on the gyro.
Oh well, there's always manual mode.
Good luck on your flight and I'll see you in the Air!
Awesome info thanks!!!!!
Thanks Shanon!
The Stock TX is the best I've seen with a RTF plane but the TX16S is even better ;-)
See you in the Air!
Thanks much for the Radiomaster info. Couldn't find any info on protocol and did not want to purchase this plane unless I could bind it with my Radiomaster. A great flying plane that I would not have purchased without your info, thanks again!
Thanks much for the kind words.
It's a little plane that thinks it's a big one ;-)
I'm glad you're having as much fun with it as I am.
See you in the Air!
Hi Tony finally got it thanks, now working OK at least on the bench and will test it out soon, main issue was making sure everything was in stabilisation mode before setting up channel 5 then everything went OK after that 🥳🥳🥳 thanks so much for your help, looking forward to seeing more flights from you especially now the tx16s is fully dialled in. Cheers from Alan in the UK 🤗🤗👍👍❤
You are most welcome.
It looks like we're both ready to go with the TX16S.
I just checked the weather forecast again and I'm hoping the Wind Forecast holds up for Monday!
I will be flying it with a Hobby-Grade TX ;-)
See you in the Air!
It's a UMX FMS Super EZE!
I just built and flew My FMS Super EZE. Best Plane Ever, Angel Wing flies so good and the Pioneer looks Identical to it!
I wish I never bought the DX8, big and fat thing, shoulda gone the Open TX Route straight up?
Great reviews GCRC.
Thank you much Jono!
Now you've got me checking out the FMS Super EZ ;-)
See you in the Air!
@@theoztreecrasher2647 I bought two! Aahahhaah, mustave been the same Sale?? Stoked Ive another still in its massive box.Reckon this thing could Glide off My Cliff for sure.
Yes, please do a video on frequency tuning for newbies like me
Thank you for your interest in that tutorial.
I'm going to try and put that together this week.
See you in the Air!
Hi Tony, what is frequency tuning?
Hi David!
It's needed for some protocols as it's a way to adjust the RF Frequency so you have the best possible signal between the transmitter and receiver.
@@GroundControlRC Got it!! Thanks Tony !
How much is the plane ready to fly??
Hi Mike!
When I purchased it, it was $159.99 and free shipping from HobbyZone.com
$169 now in November 2022 hobbyzone. Still great price
Hi!!! It looks like a great airplane!! Sooo…. Arrow Pioneer, or Turbo Timber 700mm??
Hi Indy!
Good question, I looked at this one, the Turbo Timber, and the Micro Tundra.
I wish I could fly all of them ;-)
I think any of the (3) would be an excellent flying Micro Brushless Bush Plane.
I believe the Turbo Timber is made of EPS Foam or something similar and so not very durable which is why I didn't choose the Timber.
The Micro Tundra is mad of EPO Foam which is very durable, not as durable as EPP Foam, but very durable.
I think this Plane has a slightly better power system over the Tundra and also appeared to have more power in the flight videos I watched of both.
It's a really tough choice ;-)
I think it may be a toss up between this one and the Micro Tundra ;-)
@@GroundControlRC The Micro Tundra is available on HK, 100$, it has flaps, but no gyro and the motor is a tiny 1106 vs a huge 1608 for the Pioneer… I can’t find the size of the motor of the Timber…
A small motor is a huge downside to me… although I’m a beginner… I’m kind of used to my S720 who has a 1406 motor and isn’t that powerful…
Tricky….
@@Indy64738 The Timber list it as a 180BL but I don't know how that translates to size.
I watched several videos to find which one seemed to have the best power in flight.
@@GroundControlRC okay, it doesn’t look like a 11xx but more like a 14xx, maybe 1406… I’ve seen it fly in the wind, seemed to have enough power…
Seen the Pioneer 130$ in my country… 😅😅😅 Am I too week to resist?
@@Indy64738 Hehehe....Resistance is Futile ;-)
On modes for "arrow" protocol. What are the values for each mode? Ex -100٪ for full off gyro, 100% full stability.
Good question.
There setup is a bit strange.
The Manual Mode is always the Center Position on a 3-Position Switch.
I have the Gyro setup on a 3-Position Switch.
+100 = Full Gyro Mode
0 = Full Manual Mode
-100 = Wind Stabilization
I hope that helps and I'll see you in the Air!
@@GroundControlRC thanks u i was able to setup the mode switches. I had a hard time with the throttle. For some reason i had to have throttle down -132 to turn off the motor. And the range of -125 to 125 for all for channels. I am using the jumper t8sg running devation software. To me awhile to figure out the throttle. I just need to fly it in the field to test it out. f there was away to caliberate the motors but i would do it. I still need a good video on backing up and flashing the radiomaster tx16s. I am not very good with software, so i am bit afraid of screwing it up.
@@situbes.972 You are most welcome.
I think the Gyro locks the ESC / Motor until calibration completes.
You might try calibrating the Throttle High/Low Position with the Gyro in Manual Mode.
I think that's how I did it.
I'm still pretty new to OpenTX.
I always make sure I copy off all my models before I change anything.
OpenTX Companion makes it pretty easy.
See you in the Air!
@@GroundControlRC Got a Radiomaster Zorro on the way, yay! Now I'm curious: How can I calibrate the throttle hi/lo with Open/EdgeTX, stick calibration in the radio setup or is there a specific L-/R-stick move pattern for calibrating the ESC?
@@DIY-Morti That's awesome!
Should be a very good TX from what I've seen.
Calibrating the throttle range will be the same for any TX. Throttle at top, wait for 2 beeps, throttle to the bottom, done.
Calibration of the Gyro is performed every time it is powered up, according to the manual. There is no specified way, in the documentation, to manually calibrate the Gyro.
I hope that helps and I'll see you in the Air!
Massive thanks to you Tony for taking the time to put this information out to us all, my latest tx16s which is just over 6months old shows frsky d 8 but not frsky d d8 protocol, do you think that a later firmware update is needed or do you think that the fine frequency tuning might help with the setup, thanks again and I'm sorry for the questions but you really have helped me enormously through your channel, regards from Alan 🤗🤗👍👍
Thank you much Alan!
Oh no! Did I mess that up?
It is Protocol "FrSky D" Sub-Protocol "D8"
I see what's going on.
If you select Protocol "FrSky X" Then select Sub-Protocol "D8" the Protocol will change from "FrSky X" to "FrSky D"
I hope that helps.
@@GroundControlRC How do I get the Rx to go into bind mode???
@@williamb.9110 Hi William!
If I remember correctly the RX goes into bind mode when it's powered on.
I just had to put the TX into bind mode to bind to the plane.
@@GroundControlRC Would you be able to post a picture of your protocol settings from the radio. I can't seem to get mine to bind. I must have the wrong settings 😞
@@williamb.9110 Hey William!
I've posted my Setup & OpenTX Model Files for the Arrows Pioneer on our Facebook Page.
Here is the Link that should bring that Post up:
facebook.com/profile/100063692722536/search/?q=arrows%20pioneer%20setup
If you would like a picture of the TX screen of the Protocol Setting just give me an email to send it to.
I definitely want to bind this plane to my tx12 I'm so tired of hear that beep every min lol loved watching you fly this plane with the mods you made to the ailerons I love flying this plane but it has no roll the rates are just too low I am getting the timber x soon but I am gonna try to get this plane to roll better I think the fact that it has a bigger motor than most planes this size means alot of that power is going to waste "in my opinion" so getting it to snap better would just make it that much better great review man and your the only one I've seen that has bound this to another radio thanks for the information 👍🏾✌🏾oh and I'm DEFINITELY INTERESTED IN SEEING HOW YOU FREQUENCY TUNED THIS PLANE🤔✌🏾
Thank you much!
Yes, the lethargic roll rate on this is the only negative I have regarding this plane.
I'm going to removed the main wing and reposition the linkage at the servo arm.
I had someone post they had removed the wing and discovered the linkage at the servo was in the inner most hole so mechanically it has the least amount of movement from the servo linkage.
If that doesn't do it, I'll replace the single aileron servo with dual servos at the ailerons.
This plane is just too good a flier and needs a good roll rate ;-)
It's also awesome with the TX16S and no annoying beeping as you stated.
See you in the Air!
@@GroundControlRC I'm gonna look into that asap👍🏾 it's definitely a great flyer thanks for the feedback man ✌🏾😁
Another good reason to keep this one on my wish list.
Hehehe...I'm having a blast with it and now even more fun with the TX16S.
I think I chose the right Micro Brushless Bush Plane ;-)
See you in the Air!