He could hardly get out the words that he was sorry it happened and his expressions were blank. The mother seemed more concerned with calling her son “Jeff” not “Jeffrey.” If that isn’t denial or distancing from reality, I don’t know what is.
That's the most validating thing I've heard in years. "Their victims don't know. They're just props fulfilling their fantasy". That's exactly what it's like to be involved in any capacity with a sociopath. Particularly in any type of close relationship with one. And it's very damaging. They aren't all murders either.
One never knows as sometimes the genes are so intertwined they can and do look alike but also you can have the same genes and 2 brothers who may look nothing alike Dave apparently has retained his anonymity with the use of a different surname. Having the same surname as shown by serial killer Ivan Milat's many other siblings brings shame to that name. I think David changing his name must have helped him live a stress free life well I hope so for his sake anyway.
Does anyone remember in the show when the father said that he struggled with dark thoughts what he was younger too? I wonder if that part was true or they just added that 🤔 Not that it would have changed much, just curious.
JD father has said in interviews and in his book that he had dark thoughts and wondered if he gave his son "the gene". Do realize that this is something that plagues the father trying to figure out what went wrong
Generational curses are REAL. It's part of the spiritual legal system... only one way to remove them, through deliverance with fasting and prayer. Certainly this was never done. It IS spiritual warfare.
@@izabeera166do you know what he did and what he was arrested and convicted of? He picked up guys at a bar, killed them, and then ate their body parts. So, talking about how much he liked to eat is disturbing
He never did this to my family, but I could never forget such evilness. I believe this is in your blood and is taught. I blame both his parents for this and I blame the police for refusing to stop it and gave that young boy back to him .
The only true path to healing is forgiveness. To forgive is to release and let go. To blame anyone is a sure way to not find progress or peace. We live in a world that teaches judgement, condemnation and blame. May we all grow and learn together to understand things so CHANGE comes.
@@TEM14411 I believe in releasing the anger or the bad feelings you have towards the people who wronged you and giving it to God. Saying I forgive someone does not make me feel better about the situation.
Nobody will ever know what went on inside Jeffrey's mind from the time he was born, until the day he was murdered. If he perceived them as wrong, especially very young, he was never going to tell anyone. Think about your own private thoughts, you don't share everything and neither did he. We will never know when the thoughts actually began. Once caught he only told what he wanted to. There was a lot more to this than we will ever know.
He also said to the judge not to let his own son out when he was arrested on luring a minor and sexual assault but the judge released him and he went on a killing spree. Theres also another interview in 2020 where he breaks down and blames himself for not realizing sooner.
He wouldn't have. He had his limitations. His neighbor who complained about him, he never tried or threatened to kill her. His grandmother sabotaged multiple attempts to kill men he brought into the house. Yet he never dared even hit her.
Evil can hide in the most beautiful people, but what I’ve learned from my personal experience… hate takes too much energy and consumes you and your life. In order to truly be happy you must learn to forgive and let god do his work. People will always have karma come back. It’s not instant all of the time, but good and bad karma does come back
My sister was raped & murdered. We were extremely close our whole lives. I can tell you that some people don't deserve forgiveness. Murder is unforgivable. I don't carry hate around with me every single day either. It is possible to not forgive something heinous and also have a joyful life.
I think I prefer the term closure instead of forgiveness. Anger is instrumental for consolidating energy to change something. When change is impossible however (if the trauma lies in the past for example), anger can prevent you from healing fully, especially when it turns into bitterness. But really every emotion has its place, so long as we let it pass on when its time for it.
@@anitapaulus937u gon deal with the truma either way forgive or not you gon always think about them ! Nd how could they forget the act ? Tht shii was crazy so he no i don’t he gotta forgive them
Everyone blaming the parents is wrong. Do we blame Hitler, Stalin, or Mao’s parents for them killing millions? No. They knew he was troubled, they just had no idea the extent. Homosexuality, was taboo in those times, I feel like they just thought he was gay and a deviant. Not that he was a serial rapist and murderer.
Please don't Blame the parents. They're not always at fault. I've known amazing parents that have done nothing but the best for their children yet when they grow up they make their own decisions and those are not always what they where taught.
His mother when she was pregnant with him was taking medications. The father stated he thought of murder before but never acted on it. The parents should have seen what Jeff was doing
yeh 100% agree, what a lame show, guess he needed to dramatize for views. But its just lame to blame an innocent old dude for the actions of his pos son.
Yeah, it's not like he just stole something or said something bad. I don't believe the "forgive EVERYONE for your own sake" thing. Some things are unforgivable. You can work through being consumed by something that has been done to you without forgiving them (like one of the gentlemen said).
I can’t believe they’re criticizing a dead man, he knew he did wrong and wanted the death penalty. Even God granted Jeff’s wish, he got the dead sentence through Scarver. Holocaust experiment victims forgave their evil doctors and were able to heal. Jeffrey’s parents were NOT at fault, they had nothing to do with his grown son evil doings. My brother used to pick road kill and do things for entertainment and he turn just fine, he has a beautiful wife and kids. Stop the hurt, they are hurting themselves!!
Are you serious!!!! We should ALL criticize that sicko. If survivors of heinous acts choose to forgive, that's their decision and has nothing to do with anyone else. I cannot imagine defending a murderer let alone a serial killer. Something is off with you.
Seriously, from all I’ve seen on social media about Dahmer.. I don’t like to speculate, however, In my opinion only, there are so many others involved that need to be held accountable. A percentage of that perhaps is the system you have in your nation.
Being a parent and finding out your child is mentally sick or evil would be so shocking but being a parent u would forgive them because the love you have for them is so strong that admitting your child is capable of that would tare you apart mentally and emotionally so even though they did those evil things how do u accept it but even though your so broken from what their done but you feel so sorry for the victims your mind couldn't get round the evil been done 😪
It is so wrong on so many levels to blame the father (Lionel Dahmer). It is completely conceivable that Mr. Dahmer didn't know about his son collecting dead animals. Parents are very aware now of everything their kids are doing, but this was a very different time - the 60s and 70s - when it was very common for kids to roam around and play outside for hours at a time without their parents knowing what they were doing. That was even happening in the 80s when I grew up. Plus they lived in a rural part of Ohio where that would have been even more common than in the urban areas. Even Jeffrey Dahmer himself said multiple times that he is solely responsible for his terrible acts and that his parents are completely innocent and bear no responsibility for what he did.
That father something aint right about him and I just feel like either dahmer witnessed his father doing things to animals or his father was doing things to him. A kid don't go from being a happy kid to a disturbed kid just over neglect.. he didn't appear to be that neglected by all the home videos. Something happened to him. A lot of kids have fascinations with dead animals but they don't do the things that he did. And the fact that his father just said he's had friends that have done those types of things? Um no..
Well, his father didnt know he did those things, until after the murders. You are all so smart and all knowing, after all the information was handed to you. It was his son. . He could not predict it and he could not stop him. He was an adult man and his father had no control over him.
Lionel has a disturbing numbness about it all I find unnerving and insulting to those who will always suffer. He needs to stop being so ignorantly flippant just because Jeff is gone doesn’t mean the suffering is gone.
I thought that too until i watched the 2020 interview. I think at this time he was just baffled and didnt know how he felt about everything. In the newer interview he breaks down crying and blames himself for what happened. Also he wrote a letter to the judge when jeffery was set to get released after getting arrested for luring a minor and secual assault saying to not let his own son out. Few weeks later he was let out and the spree begun which is where lionel breaks down after reading the letter.
Boys are taught to respect women since childhood. But all kids should be taught to even respect animals too and tell them to stay away from animals and don't trouble them.
To be fair, i know A LOT of kids who were bringing road kill home. They usually collected skulls and cool bones. My close friend did that. He is a surgeon now, not a psycho killer. Whats problematic is animal killing, torture and doing weir things with the remains. Collecting road kill doesnt sound weird to me. Lots of kids do that. I feel like most ppl in this comment section, including Dr. Phil are such city rats and have no idea about things that for example countryside kids do.
I actually used to do the same thing and still do, where I’d go around and collect dead animals. We’d bury the bones, then a few months later dig them up and bleach them. We even had beetle boxes a one point. I have a really cool collection of skulls, including boar skulls, alligator skulls, an assortment of fossilized bones even from animals that don’t exist anymore. In fact right after hurricane Ian just a few weeks ago I found a opossum skull and a rat skull in the mangroves that have been destroyed, and thus all the bones were easy to find. There were also raccoon bones. So that to me isn’t weird at all. But when he starts desecrating remains by nailing them up or being disrespectful with them or sourcing them by killing animals himself…. That is rucking problematic!
That's a cool hobby to have as a child. I would not have minded having friends who could teach me how to do it. That is... if there's no killing or torture involved. 🙂
And yes I have a story to share. I've tried doing so several times and YOU REFUSED ME! My sister was raped and strangled and her body dumped in a field just blocks from her home. The ones responsible have never been arrested
I am so sorry you have to go through this. My sister was raped & killed by two men. They were tried & the one who actually killed her got life in prison but the other one cooperated with law enforcement and only got 4 years. I cannot imagine not feeling any kind of justice. My heart breaks for you. Nothing compares to that kind of loss. I hope one day you feel some peace and less pain ❤️
I can’t imagine how hard it is for the family’s or the victims, people have talked about him for YEARS and hardly mentioned the victims, must drive you insane
I feel like Dr. Phil played it in the both fields. He was nice while taking the interview with Dahmer's father and then he was on another side while being on his playgound. What Jeffrey Dahmer did is extremely wrong and for that I agree. They were red flags and his father really saw some of them in my own opinion but around the horrible marrige he was going trough and the fact his wife was overdosing with all sorts of pills wasn't easy for him either. I get the idea that after awhile J. Dahmer got older and maybe his father wasn't sure how to handle the situation and that's why he dicided to send him to the military with the hope that his son will eventually get back on the right road but it didn't work. From what I've heard from my parents and seen on TV back in the days ( his time ) people we're dealing with their problems in a totally different way. They often did not deal with their problems by seeking help from others which is also a mistake. I can only place a bet that's 50/50 if his father knew about the plastic bags and the road kills or not. It's hard to believe that none of their neighbour saw J. Dahmer collecting dead animals remains from the road and not telling his parents about it since he was doing it for months or years. He might've tried to change his son's path in a way that wasn't working and at the same time he didn't want to believe what his son was really doing. He closed his eyes but at the same time he was trying to help him and he wasn't sure how. Let's not forget that his father told him to go in the militery and after he got back he had no clue about his drinking problem. Yes. You can spot a person with a drinking problem very easy but he's a serial killer ( people say their mind work in different way, right? ) and with that reason I do believe that J. Dahmer was able to hide his problems well enough. His father is aware that they do not communicate very often and that they don't have that deep son and father connection. His mother didn't care much and none of the 'guests' on the show said her name once. Where was she when this was happening? "The way he grabbed that dog" like what do you mean? If you open youtube these days and type dog/cat compilations or funny moments you're going to see tons of videos with kids handeling animals in the same way or worse, are they serial killers as well? For a boy that's 6-7 years old I don't think grabbing a dog in this way is a red flag. Some people are smart at age 7 and some people doesn't have their IQ pumped to the roof. I'm not a doctor but from this video I've seen so many wrong comments. I'm not the person who has to forgive J. Dahmer for what he did and I don't have a say on that. I just want to make myself clear that from my prespective I didn't like how Phil stated everything. I'm very sorry for the families who lost their sons and daughters I don't know how much pain they feel and I don't want to know. It's their right to forgive or not forgive J. Dahmer for what he did and the same goes for what they believe in. Ofc. Jeffrey's father would spill a lie or two just because that's his son and in a way he'll try everything to clear his name or protect him if you're are father you'll do the same for your children. I'm not a fan of J. Dahmer. What he did is incredably wrong and unthinkable. P.S: Everyone have their own opinion and a point of view. If you're going to tag me on a comment, please don't be toxic/rude just because I said the things that we're in my mind. The story has tons of different roads and opinions and I'd be happy to hear yours, just be polite.
Disrespectful. Makes me wonder if he was ever corrected by his parents for that and many other acts. At my workplace, there was a heavy wooden rockinghorse on display. This three year old weirdo drops/places his toy doll directly under the rocker, then climbs aboard and yells, "Oww!" each time that the rocker rolls over the toy. None of his family corrected him. It was so strikingly creepy that I still wonder if he became a criminal.
His father said 'he didn't know' he was collecting cadavers until court, of course he is reflecting that Jeff seemed normal. Not only did the parents miss the red flags, so did his Brother, Grandparents, Neighbors, and the entire school system. Vilifying the parents is not going to make the world a better, kinder or more knowledgeable place. The families of criminals are victims 'too'. Dr. Phil's show is counterproductive to the healing of families. imo
I dont think his father is to blame. You cant spot and prevent all evil in the world. Psychopaths are also masters at hiding. I knew lots of kids in my childhood, who collected skulls, bones and looked for animal remains. Lots of kids do it. The problem begins when you do weird stuff with it like some type of disrespectful desecration, nailing them and of course killing/ torturing the animals yourself.
Well said. the clowns doing aload of mindless speculative psychobabble on the show helps nobody, and blaming Lionel is just taking cheap shots at a already very sad, tired old man. Disgusting really.
These men, that experienced Jeffery when he was in the military...My heart goes out to them. I am so sorry that they went through what they went through, but at the same time I am so happy that they are here with us and were not murdered. Yes I believe that the Military and the family had to have known and just looked the other way. Seriously, that man was just pure Evil. My thoughts and prayers and condolences go out too all of the victims and their families.
For those that watched these three on here on Dr. Phil's channel - they cut over half of each one of them out! You can find all three parts on here on other channels that are 38 minutes long that explain tons of things that were cut out.
do you know if they explained what happened to Billy's son in there? Read that his son raped and strangled 2 women but since the sources weren't reliable I don't know.
@@xLostInFirex sorry, I'm not sure who you're talking about but I highly recommend watching the full three episodes on a different channel - these were cut so short and I'm not sure why!?
@@jahleelmonet6002 or perhaps it shows that ppl accuse, torment and blame him for it. Any normal person would feel guilty and question themselves. He is also victim in this.
That little boy had a DOUBLE HERNIA REMOVAL age (was it 4? Or 7?)...they MOVED... That's when even in the videos you see the child completely change. 1) WHAT CAUSES A CHILD/TODDLER TO HAVE A DOUBLE HERNIA AT THAT AGE..... 2) What happened that his EVIDENT change occured.... In my heart.... I believe (whether he was hurt as a child IDC ATP)... JDahmer is/was Homosexual. AndLionel COULD NOT DEAL. Listen to their phone calls. Look at all the ways Lionel shipped his son off. I kinda believe Lionel abandoned Jeff BECAUSE he can't deal w/ having a gay son. Its kind of heartbreaking there are parents out there that make having children ALL ABOUT THEM...
Plenty of people have an interest in anatomy and dissecting. They go on to become medical examiners, surgeons, and taxidermists...NOT cannabilistc serial killers!
No he didnt. What he meant is that we should not be holier than God. God forgives even the worst sinners and He commands us to forgive, like he forgives us. If God can forgive us, we also need to forgive others to be forgiven.
One thing we can agree this was all tragedy... But you can not force to control what are people think about the case, everybody has different thought, ones hate him, ones can not forget because they are the family of the victims, ones fascinated, one wonder about the psychology, for whatever reasons everybody has different perspectives... So be it... It is what it is... I Wish all the victim's families can be heal someday...
There is something wrong with the father too. Its clear as day. From a psycoligical point of view definitely. Thats where it stemmed from along with other things
uhh no. I've seen Lionel show plenty of emotion, the dude has had decades of sadness over this already, he's not going to be constantly upset, he's already suffered enough and is probably somewhat numb to it at this point. Leave the innocent dude alone.
I refuse to believe that he didn't ever question or wonder about Jeff's behaviour, Jeff did things that weren't normal. He didn't want to think about it.
Not sure if anyone says, oh this means he will murder/consume people later. Once he had an inkling..he probably thought, future mortician. Jeff's behavior was so bizarre there isn't a ready made defense system outside of normal logic.
Am sorry, but Lionel Dahmer is also so lack of emotions despite the years that have passed and for the TREMENDOUS horror his son did to those bodies and family he can't just say. Oh sorry! Ups. I truly believe he played an important part in this but only wanted to get money and wash his hands... And he didn't gave a damn bout Jeffrey he only cared bout his new lover Shary and left Jeff even with HIS MOTHER that was old and needed care.
I think a lot of people don’t understand kids that live out in the country and how we can be fascinated with animals and how they look. My cousin and I, at around 8 years old used to look for dead animals in the woods so that we could clean the bones and try to reassemble the skeleton. It was neat looking the way the bones fit together. Now in days every time we shoot a deer the whole family helps butcher it. We look at all the organs and different cuts of meat. The kids thought that it was so cool how the tendons pull the leg back and forth it’s not abnormal to find an interest in those types of things. So I believe the father was probably relieved to hear that some of his friends did the same. They just didn’t know about the disturbing parts of Jefferys adventures. Who would automatically assume their child that they’ve raised since birth is insane and capable of killing and torturing? Just because they spent time alone in the woods and collected dead animals? I would assume my kid was doing the same thing I did when I was a kid.
Wow. Talk about a group of people with NO compassion! Jeffrey's father did NOTHING wrong. You all treated him like some kind of evil villain. Jeff was his SON. No matter WHAT he did, first and foremost that man is his father. How many people could even FATHOM that their son they love could be doing those TERRIBLE things? And Dr. Phil.... SHAME ON YOU!!! If I had a dime for every time you've espoused, "I'm the least judgemental person I know" I'd be a millionaire! Well not on this show you weren't! Not one person up there showed one ounce of empathy for that man. Just THINK what he's been through.... Loving his son who did these awful things. I've studied the Dahmer case extensively and know the agony this man must have every waking moment of his life since his son's crimes were exposed. Everyone on that stage should be ashamed how you treated that man and the contempt in your voices. HE didn't hurt your relatives and that's his SON you're expecting him to condemn and say bad things about. It's sure easy to be a judge and jury AFTER THE FACT. Shameful. My heart goes out to that man. He needs to stop going on these shows whose only goal is to try to get him to say hurtful things about a son that he loved. Where is your empathy and compassion for God's sake? I found your treatment and condemnation of him disgusting.
People who are sorry for what they have done ask to be punished. They do not ask to be forgiven. When I was 4 years old I witness my brother begging my mother for a beating because he was genuinely sorry for what he did. And you never forget seeing REAL remorse for the rest of your life, I'll never forget that night. Did Jeffrey Dahmer even ask for forgiveness? If not then why is his father asking for forgiveness????????????? I don't understand that.
I always laugh when ppl talk about warning signs bc no parent ever contemplates whether their son or daughter will turn out to be a serial killer with 20 victims... The victims have a right to their feelings but i disagree with putting total blame on the parents. There are hundreds of thousands of kids in america that are shy and awkward. As for the roadkill it is it really that hard to believe the parents had no clue??? Not hard to not be seen in a country area with heavy forestation.
Billy Capshaw does NOT have a son that was killed by Jeff! Capshaw was in the army with him, he is Jeff's age, if he had a son, it wasn't when he knew Jeff (probably long after Jeff left the army) and Jeff did not ever even meet the kid, (or even know of his existence) much less kill him.
They didn't say Jeff murdered his son. I believe that he said he "lost his family" as in the family separated due the consequences of his trauma affecting them or something like that. Did some digging and I believe his son also murdered and raped 2 women. There's a comment from someone who's supposedly his son's half-sister saying she believes that what happened to Billy affected his son so much he became a murderer and rapist himself. It's all from unverified sources but the supposed sun (Vernon Kip Capshaw) does live in the same place as Billy and has the same last name so I do believe it could be true and it would align with dr Phil saying he's sorry about his son.
Judging Jeffrey Dahmer’s childhood activities, there are way too more children out here in today’s world. Multiplied by millions i would say. Small kids stomped infants head, teenage killing their parents, their own blood. Aren’t those red flag too? Jeff Dahmer was gone, gone long time back, why would you always bring the trauma to the victims and Jeffs family too. People need to take actions what is going today’s world.
This guy!!! He spends more time asking for forgiveness for his monster than he spends apologizing to the victims. SMH Talk about selfish. If we tortured and killed his monster would he forgive us? No way. All he cares about is own monster, no remorse for the victims SMH I'm not a great judge of character but even I can see that the father is crazy too. And what's with the wanting to honor Jeffrey Dahmer's wishes to be creamated??? Jeffrey Dahmer disrespected all those body's but his father fought to give Jeffrey an honorable cremation?????????? Yea that father is the problem. I have a suggestion for this guy. Since he believes in forgiveness so much, go strike up a friendship with the great hero Christopher Scarver. Hey Lionel go give Chris Scarver a huge. Go put some money Chris Scarver's books. Give Chris Scarver's kids and family some money. Post a picture of you hugging the great Chris Scarver since you're so obsessed with forgiveness. Practice what you preach or shut up. I forgive Chris Scarver for ended the life of your monster since you have such a crazy obsession for forgiveness. He mentions nothing about forgiving my hero Chris Scarver for ending the life of notorious monster Jeffrey Dahmer. Typical selfish guy. Since he's so obsessed with forgiveness, I want to see him strike up a real loving friendship with Chris Scarver. Practice what you preach Mr. Dahmer. Beg the state of Wisconsin to release Chris Scarver. FREE CHRIS SCARVER! FREE CHRIS SCARVER! FREE CHRIS SCARVER!!! If we're going to forgive the monster Jeffrey Dahmer who killed and tortured 17 INNOCENT people including a poor kid then by logical deduction we must also forgive The Great Christopher Scarver who only killed 3 people, 3 guilty, horrible sounding people I might add. Actually Chris only killed 2 people, I don't consider the 3rd to really be a person. I'm closer to a real cop than the actual cops. I would have busted Ole Jeffrey on my first opportunity.
Omg same lol. And as a sidenote, who isn't a good kid at the beginning? I've never heard someone say that a baby was evil, it makes no sense so I always kinda roll my eyes when the stories start off with that.
I CAN NEVER FORGIVE ANYTHING the devil did also what the parents did, for sure, cuz the father have pushed his trouble to the society again and again, never has occurred to him to educate and regulate his evil seed is his damn job and responsibility !! all he did was push the trouble to the outside world damn it
Yeah, because he knew his son will be a psycho killer...No parent would assume that based on so very little clues. He did most things in secret. You are so smart because you have all the information handed to you. What could he do exactly? Jeff was an adult when committed all the crimes and his father had nothing to do with it.
Forgiveness seems a very strange subject - how can we forgive Jeffrey for what he has done? Is it just so the families involved can cope better? It is a shame Jeffrey had to suffer from fantasies that drove him to do this but forgiveness doesn't seem natural (it is religious beliefs which make it sound right). We need to find answers to stop this from happening again. If he could have been treated so his disorder didn't make him want to do these things, then it seems sensible that we should forgive him. If Jeffrey had been cured he probably would have needed long-term counseling to cope with his monstrous past. I think this is why he drank so much, so it was easier to act out his horrible fantasies. Weirdly, he didn't do it for one whole year and claimed he just didn't get the opportunity but if the fantasies were so strong, he surely would have made the time. I wonder if anything that year decreased his condition, seems strange he could cope with not doing gross things for so long. Maybe he looked at less porn for whatever reason which decreased the fantasies.
Am I the only one that believes that Jeffrey Dahmer did not come from a good home; that Jeffrey Dahmer's parents messed him up to become they way that he was?
I do think that the father knew that sth was wrong with him, but how could he see that his son is gonna be a serial killer. I mean you have to consider the time, age and background of the parents.
I've seen that clip with the dog and it's hard to watch him grab that little pup by legs and hyperextend his shoulders. I kinda had that feeling when I saw the weird way Lionel was throwing Jeffrey around too. No affection or tenderness, just like tossing around an object.
Ahh please!ive seen milion of videos on social media nowadays when kids grabbing and worse dogs or cats like they are toys while parents recording and saying is cute
Dr.Phil is just getting worse and worse about exploiting victims to fill his pockets. I'm done watching from now on, I can't support this disgusting show.
@@00BeesKnees00 exactly! Hes cashing in on the Jeffery Dahmer hype too, digging up old interviews and leaving out big important parts of the story. While bashing netflix 🤦♀️
I'm sorry, but if your son is collecting dead animals, how do you not know that maybe he wanted to become a biologist or a veterinarian? We dissect animals in biology and that's acceptable. We all find the goodness in our kids no matter what. If he had found the head in the box than obviously that would have been the game changer. Kids are very curious about things as they are growing up ...if he was killing the animals himself then I would say that was a red flag.
i can see dr phil went from helping people to cashing in for the money. profiting off this horrific event, yet pretending that he is helping everyone. why didn't he do this sooner?
He liked to explore the human anatomy people get paid well for doing that however you do need a college degree and it is illegal to kill but sometimes I see no difference I could not stomach working on a dead person or a live one for that matter
He saw the warning signs he was just in denial.
He also didn’t wanna take accountability
I also feel the grandmother had to have know
He could hardly get out the words that he was sorry it happened and his expressions were blank. The mother seemed more concerned with calling her son “Jeff” not “Jeffrey.” If that isn’t denial or distancing from reality, I don’t know what is.
No he condone it. He allowed it he corrupted abused and neglected Dahmer his father is a sociopath ASPD+NPD
He wasn't in denial he just didn't care enough.
That's the most validating thing I've heard in years. "Their victims don't know. They're just props fulfilling their fantasy". That's exactly what it's like to be involved in any capacity with a sociopath. Particularly in any type of close relationship with one. And it's very damaging. They aren't all murders either.
Well said
It's scary how normal Jeff seemed in the home videos
I feel bad for Jeff's younger brother. Imagine having nothing to do with this and growing up probably resembling a serial killer.
One never knows as sometimes the genes are so intertwined they can and do look alike but also you can have the same genes and 2 brothers who may look nothing alike Dave apparently has retained his anonymity with the use of a different surname. Having the same surname as shown by serial killer Ivan Milat's many other siblings brings shame to that name. I think David changing his name must have helped him live a stress free life well I hope so for his sake anyway.
Does anyone remember in the show when the father said that he struggled with dark thoughts what he was younger too? I wonder if that part was true or they just added that 🤔 Not that it would have changed much, just curious.
JD father has said in interviews and in his book that he had dark thoughts and wondered if he gave his son "the gene". Do realize that this is something that plagues the father trying to figure out what went wrong
Generational curses are REAL. It's part of the spiritual legal system... only one way to remove them, through deliverance with fasting and prayer. Certainly this was never done. It IS spiritual warfare.
Yes, he admitted it in his book.
Lionel Dahmer has admitted that he has had dark thoughts and that as a kid he was a pyromanic, so maybe these feelings or urgings are hereditary???
Who of us hasn't had dark thoughts? Of course as a parent you start to question everything in yourself if your son does what Jeff did.
The scariest part of the interview for me was "Jeff was always happy at Christmas time because there was a lot of things to eat."
How is that scary? You sound ridiculous.
What so scary about it? Its normal
@@izabeera166because jeff is a cannibal, I assume that’s what he meant. That’s why its a scary thought to think about.
@@izabeera166do you know what he did and what he was arrested and convicted of? He picked up guys at a bar, killed them, and then ate their body parts. So, talking about how much he liked to eat is disturbing
He never did this to my family, but I could never forget such evilness. I believe this is in your blood and is taught. I blame both his parents for this and I blame the police for refusing to stop it and gave that young boy back to him .
His father definitely taught him to kill. And his father is a sociopath ASPD+NPD
The only true path to healing is forgiveness. To forgive is to release and let go. To blame anyone is a sure way to not find progress or peace. We live in a world that teaches judgement, condemnation and blame. May we all grow and learn together to understand things so CHANGE comes.
@@TEM14411 I believe in releasing the anger or the bad feelings you have towards the people who wronged you and giving it to God. Saying I forgive someone does not make me feel better about the situation.
@@bellaapple2166 forgiveness isn't about telling anyone anything. It is a personal choice and happens internally.
I agree.
Kids are allowed dissect frogs in science class !
Nobody will ever know what went on inside Jeffrey's mind from the time he was born, until the day he was murdered. If he perceived them as wrong, especially very young, he was never going to tell anyone. Think about your own private thoughts, you don't share everything and neither did he. We will never know when the thoughts actually began. Once caught he only told what he wanted to. There was a lot more to this than we will ever know.
He also said to the judge not to let his own son out when he was arrested on luring a minor and sexual assault but the judge released him and he went on a killing spree. Theres also another interview in 2020 where he breaks down and blames himself for not realizing sooner.
This was so very, very, sad, I can not imagine how his parents must have felt, how broken hearted 💔 😢. Could they be.
Never let anyone get you to the second place.
Yes! That's a death sentence. More people should be taught this.
The puppy part bothered me too.he handled it wayyyy too rough.
I think the video was faster than the original, that's why it looks rough
@@lucagattamelata8093 fast or not, you don't swing around a dog or animal like that
Many children get too rough with a puppy, very few grow up to cannibals. "Doctor" Phil is engaging in some post-hoc diagnosis here... 🙄
You always tell yourself that they'll grow out of it, that it is just a phase... it's sad but, we do that.
Can’t forgive evil
Love the sinner, hate the sin...
@@orionxtc1119 this does not apply to a cold blooded killer who have committed for selfish reasons
I truly think if Jeffrey's father had made Jeffery open that box and found out Jeffery.
Had a man's head in it Jeffery would have killed his parents.
He wouldn't have. He had his limitations. His neighbor who complained about him, he never tried or threatened to kill her.
His grandmother sabotaged multiple attempts to kill men he brought into the house. Yet he never dared even hit her.
@@Hornet_Legion He did try to SA his brother, so idk. I feel like he might’ve hurt someone in his family if push came to shove.
I think so too!
@@birdies8397 yes he did but there was no more to it and stated it never happened again though it does not excuse the way he acted
@@Hornet_Legion because she was to well known he would have been caught,
Besides the fact he was only killing Men 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Evil can hide in the most beautiful people, but what I’ve learned from my personal experience… hate takes too much energy and consumes you and your life. In order to truly be happy you must learn to forgive and let god do his work. People will always have karma come back. It’s not instant all of the time, but good and bad karma does come back
Very true
My sister was raped & murdered. We were extremely close our whole lives. I can tell you that some people don't deserve forgiveness. Murder is unforgivable. I don't carry hate around with me every single day either. It is possible to not forgive something heinous and also have a joyful life.
@@evelares7128 so you did forgive but not forgot
I think I prefer the term closure instead of forgiveness. Anger is instrumental for consolidating energy to change something. When change is impossible however (if the trauma lies in the past for example), anger can prevent you from healing fully, especially when it turns into bitterness. But really every emotion has its place, so long as we let it pass on when its time for it.
@@izabeera166no
For your own well being, you have to forgive the person, not the act.
No put ur self in the victim’s family shoes.
No you certainly do not. Theres no point whatsoever.
@@rileysmall4317 There is a point, unfortunately I think you’ve missed it.
@@anitapaulus937u gon deal with the truma either way forgive or not you gon always think about them ! Nd how could they forget the act ? Tht shii was crazy so he no i don’t he gotta forgive them
@@TraeBeZootied I never said forget. Forgiveness is for you as much as for whoever you are forgiving. It makes you capable of putting it behind you.
Everyone blaming the parents is wrong. Do we blame Hitler, Stalin, or Mao’s parents for them killing millions? No. They knew he was troubled, they just had no idea the extent. Homosexuality, was taboo in those times, I feel like they just thought he was gay and a deviant. Not that he was a serial rapist and murderer.
The parents knew something wasn't right with him. They choose to look the other way. My prayers go out to the victims and there family's.
😒
No they didn’t. The father was very involved and sought treatment for his son.
Oh and it’s *their families.
Learn the language.
Even if you see some small things, he could never predict what is going to happen. You don't just randomly assume your child is a serial killer.
Please don't Blame the parents. They're not always at fault. I've known amazing parents that have done nothing but the best for their children yet when they grow up they make their own decisions and those are not always what they where taught.
His mother when she was pregnant with him was taking medications. The father stated he thought of murder before but never acted on it. The parents should have seen what Jeff was doing
People who are genuinely sorry don't ask for forgiveness. Not for all that.
Wth ???! Why not
Dahmer didn’t ask for forgiveness but wasn’t sorry
huh? wth?
@@Noseqquiero Dahmer did ask for forgiveness. He asked in this video.
@@WildL23 do u mean his father?
Phil is a fake therapist. Why interview them father only to shred him.
I felt it was weird, too. They didn't air this before but now use it as something to shred on air when the topic is popular?
yeh 100% agree, what a lame show, guess he needed to dramatize for views. But its just lame to blame an innocent old dude for the actions of his pos son.
The parents were so negligent and crappy. If they’d paid any attention to him he’d have been medicated way early on. They sucked.
For intentional heinous acts, I don't forgive. And something like this? Never.
Yeah, it's not like he just stole something or said something bad. I don't believe the "forgive EVERYONE for your own sake" thing. Some things are unforgivable. You can work through being consumed by something that has been done to you without forgiving them (like one of the gentlemen said).
I can’t believe they’re criticizing a dead man, he knew he did wrong and wanted the death penalty. Even God granted Jeff’s wish, he got the dead sentence through Scarver.
Holocaust experiment victims forgave their evil doctors and were able to heal. Jeffrey’s parents were NOT at fault, they had nothing to do with his grown son evil doings.
My brother used to pick road kill and do things for entertainment and he turn just fine, he has a beautiful wife and kids. Stop the hurt, they are hurting themselves!!
Are you serious!!!! We should ALL criticize that sicko. If survivors of heinous acts choose to forgive, that's their decision and has nothing to do with anyone else. I cannot imagine defending a murderer let alone a serial killer. Something is off with you.
Did you listen to dad's excuses?
Seriously, from all I’ve seen on social media about Dahmer.. I don’t like to speculate, however, In my opinion only, there are so many others involved that need to be held accountable. A percentage of that perhaps is the system you have in your nation.
Facts
Being a parent and finding out your child is mentally sick or evil would be so shocking but being a parent u would forgive them because the love you have for them is so strong that admitting your child is capable of that would tare you apart mentally and emotionally so even though they did those evil things how do u accept it but even though your so broken from what their done but you feel so sorry for the victims your mind couldn't get round the evil been done 😪
It is so wrong on so many levels to blame the father (Lionel Dahmer). It is completely conceivable that Mr. Dahmer didn't know about his son collecting dead animals. Parents are very aware now of everything their kids are doing, but this was a very different time - the 60s and 70s - when it was very common for kids to roam around and play outside for hours at a time without their parents knowing what they were doing. That was even happening in the 80s when I grew up. Plus they lived in a rural part of Ohio where that would have been even more common than in the urban areas. Even Jeffrey Dahmer himself said multiple times that he is solely responsible for his terrible acts and that his parents are completely innocent and bear no responsibility for what he did.
Totally agree.
It’s not. He’s a sociopath ASPD+NPD everything he learned was from his father they killed animals together
you put a dog's head on a spike, how can you miss that?
That father something aint right about him and I just feel like either dahmer witnessed his father doing things to animals or his father was doing things to him. A kid don't go from being a happy kid to a disturbed kid just over neglect.. he didn't appear to be that neglected by all the home videos. Something happened to him. A lot of kids have fascinations with dead animals but they don't do the things that he did. And the fact that his father just said he's had friends that have done those types of things? Um no..
His father is a sociopath ASPD+NPD he definitely corrupted and created dahmer
Well, his father didnt know he did those things, until after the murders. You are all so smart and all knowing, after all the information was handed to you. It was his son. . He could not predict it and he could not stop him. He was an adult man and his father had no control over him.
Lionel has a disturbing numbness about it all I find unnerving and insulting to those who will always suffer.
He needs to stop being so ignorantly flippant just because Jeff is gone doesn’t mean the suffering is gone.
Jeff was his son and he loved him. Until you are in such a horrible situation as him you can't judge him.
I thought that too until i watched the 2020 interview. I think at this time he was just baffled and didnt know how he felt about everything. In the newer interview he breaks down crying and blames himself for what happened. Also he wrote a letter to the judge when jeffery was set to get released after getting arrested for luring a minor and secual assault saying to not let his own son out. Few weeks later he was let out and the spree begun which is where lionel breaks down after reading the letter.
Just watching the dr phil episodes I genuinely thought he was a phsychopath aswell.
Can we talk about Jeff's dad's hair please.
Yes… I thought there was something wrong with my screen…. 🤔…. He looks like an orange.
its chucky when hes older
🤣🤣🤣
Yes, we can.
Boys are taught to respect women since childhood. But all kids should be taught to even respect animals too and tell them to stay away from animals and don't trouble them.
Definitely
The VICTIMS NEED TALKED ABOUT!!! THEY ARE THE ONES THAT DESERVE THIS ATTENTION. NOT HIM
THERE ARE TWO VICTIMS ON STAGE RIGHT NOW IN FRONT OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE
His victims are dead!
To be fair, i know A LOT of kids who were bringing road kill home. They usually collected skulls and cool bones.
My close friend did that. He is a surgeon now, not a psycho killer. Whats problematic is animal killing, torture and doing weir things with the remains. Collecting road kill doesnt sound weird to me. Lots of kids do that. I feel like most ppl in this comment section, including Dr. Phil are such city rats and have no idea about things that for example countryside kids do.
His father has no idea what accountability or remorse means.
I actually used to do the same thing and still do, where I’d go around and collect dead animals. We’d bury the bones, then a few months later dig them up and bleach them. We even had beetle boxes a one point. I have a really cool collection of skulls, including boar skulls, alligator skulls, an assortment of fossilized bones even from animals that don’t exist anymore. In fact right after hurricane Ian just a few weeks ago I found a opossum skull and a rat skull in the mangroves that have been destroyed, and thus all the bones were easy to find. There were also raccoon bones. So that to me isn’t weird at all. But when he starts desecrating remains by nailing them up or being disrespectful with them or sourcing them by killing animals himself…. That is rucking problematic!
That's a cool hobby to have as a child. I would not have minded having friends who could teach me how to do it. That is... if there's no killing or torture involved. 🙂
Exactly! I have a friend who actually became a doctor, as a result of him finding roadkill as a kid. 😅 He is a great surgeon now.
And yes I have a story to share. I've tried doing so several times and YOU REFUSED ME!
My sister was raped and strangled and her body dumped in a field just blocks from her home. The ones responsible have never been arrested
Awe I am so so sorry for your loss in such a. Horrific way. May justice for your sister be served . Wish he would cover the case and give exposure
Omg am so sorry for your loss I hope you and your family and sister get the justice you deserve
I am so sorry you have to go through this. My sister was raped & killed by two men. They were tried & the one who actually killed her got life in prison but the other one cooperated with law enforcement and only got 4 years. I cannot imagine not feeling any kind of justice. My heart breaks for you. Nothing compares to that kind of loss. I hope one day you feel some peace and less pain ❤️
@@evelares7128 thank you
Goodness, I'm so so very sorry for your lost. Dam! Dr. Phil should help you
Stop talking about that nasty waste of atoms already!!
I can’t imagine how hard it is for the family’s or the victims, people have talked about him for YEARS and hardly mentioned the victims, must drive you insane
He asks for forgiveness of the victims and he says he forgives Jeff? There is NO FORGIVENESS EVER FOR SUCH AN EVIL MANIAC! NONE!!!
I feel like Dr. Phil played it in the both fields. He was nice while taking the interview with Dahmer's father and then he was on another side while being on his playgound.
What Jeffrey Dahmer did is extremely wrong and for that I agree.
They were red flags and his father really saw some of them in my own opinion but around the horrible marrige he was going trough and the fact his wife was overdosing with all sorts of pills wasn't easy for him either. I get the idea that after awhile J. Dahmer got older and maybe his father wasn't sure how to handle the situation and that's why he dicided to send him to the military with the hope that his son will eventually get back on the right road but it didn't work.
From what I've heard from my parents and seen on TV back in the days ( his time ) people we're dealing with their problems in a totally different way. They often did not deal with their problems by seeking help from others which is also a mistake.
I can only place a bet that's 50/50 if his father knew about the plastic bags and the road kills or not. It's hard to believe that none of their neighbour saw J. Dahmer collecting dead animals remains from the road and not telling his parents about it since he was doing it for months or years.
He might've tried to change his son's path in a way that wasn't working and at the same time he didn't want to believe what his son was really doing. He closed his eyes but at the same time he was trying to help him and he wasn't sure how. Let's not forget that his father told him to go in the militery and after he got back he had no clue about his drinking problem. Yes. You can spot a person with a drinking problem very easy but he's a serial killer ( people say their mind work in different way, right? ) and with that reason I do believe that J. Dahmer was able to hide his problems well enough. His father is aware that they do not communicate very often and that they don't have that deep son and father connection.
His mother didn't care much and none of the 'guests' on the show said her name once. Where was she when this was happening?
"The way he grabbed that dog" like what do you mean? If you open youtube these days and type dog/cat compilations or funny moments you're going to see tons of videos with kids handeling animals in the same way or worse, are they serial killers as well? For a boy that's 6-7 years old I don't think grabbing a dog in this way is a red flag. Some people are smart at age 7 and some people doesn't have their IQ pumped to the roof.
I'm not a doctor but from this video I've seen so many wrong comments.
I'm not the person who has to forgive J. Dahmer for what he did and I don't have a say on that. I just want to make myself clear that from my prespective I didn't like how Phil stated everything.
I'm very sorry for the families who lost their sons and daughters I don't know how much pain they feel and I don't want to know. It's their right to forgive or not forgive J. Dahmer for what he did and the same goes for what they believe in.
Ofc. Jeffrey's father would spill a lie or two just because that's his son and in a way he'll try everything to clear his name or protect him if you're are father you'll do the same for your children.
I'm not a fan of J. Dahmer. What he did is incredably wrong and unthinkable.
P.S: Everyone have their own opinion and a point of view. If you're going to tag me on a comment, please don't be toxic/rude just because I said the things that we're in my mind. The story has tons of different roads and opinions and I'd be happy to hear yours, just be polite.
8:08 really ???? Who does that??? My kids would never.
Disrespectful.
Makes me wonder if he was ever corrected by his parents for that
and many other acts.
At my workplace, there was
a heavy wooden rockinghorse
on display.
This three year old weirdo
drops/places his toy doll directly under the rocker, then climbs aboard and yells, "Oww!"
each time that the rocker rolls over the toy.
None of his family corrected him.
It was so strikingly creepy
that I still wonder if he became
a criminal.
I thought the same, I thought it was just me 🤣
His father said 'he didn't know' he was collecting cadavers until court, of course he is reflecting that Jeff seemed normal. Not only did the parents miss the red flags, so did his Brother, Grandparents, Neighbors, and the entire school system. Vilifying the parents is not going to make the world a better, kinder or more knowledgeable place. The families of criminals are victims 'too'. Dr. Phil's show is counterproductive to the healing of families. imo
I dont think his father is to blame. You cant spot and prevent all evil in the world. Psychopaths are also masters at hiding. I knew lots of kids in my childhood, who collected skulls, bones and looked for animal remains. Lots of kids do it. The problem begins when you do weird stuff with it like some type of disrespectful desecration, nailing them and of course killing/ torturing the animals yourself.
Well said. the clowns doing aload of mindless speculative psychobabble on the show helps nobody, and blaming Lionel is just taking cheap shots at a already very sad, tired old man. Disgusting really.
These men, that experienced Jeffery when he was in the military...My heart goes out to them. I am so sorry that they went through what they went through, but at the same time I am so happy that they are here with us and were not murdered. Yes I believe that the Military and the family had to have known and just looked the other way. Seriously, that man was just pure Evil. My thoughts and prayers and condolences go out too all of the victims and their families.
Pretty much everyone believes the military accusers are liars - especially Billy.
For those that watched these three on here on Dr. Phil's channel - they cut over half of each one of them out! You can find all three parts on here on other channels that are 38 minutes long that explain tons of things that were cut out.
Where??
@@mariaraja5481 oh TH-cam just search for the episode!
do you know if they explained what happened to Billy's son in there? Read that his son raped and strangled 2 women but since the sources weren't reliable I don't know.
@@xLostInFirex sorry, I'm not sure who you're talking about but I highly recommend watching the full three episodes on a different channel - these were cut so short and I'm not sure why!?
Isn’t anybody gonna say how much Phil’s wife has change? We see her a couple times and she had tons of plastic surgery done OMG!
"Forgive jeff for what he did".. are you INSANE?????
This guy has spent his life trying to prove to people it wasn’t his fault.
Exactly, which shows that he was aware to at least some extent.
@@jahleelmonet6002 I agree
@@jahleelmonet6002 or perhaps it shows that ppl accuse, torment and blame him for it. Any normal person would feel guilty and question themselves. He is also victim in this.
because it wasn't., how was he to know? Lionel is just an innocent old dude that didn't know anymore than the rest of us.
Thanks
That little boy had a DOUBLE HERNIA REMOVAL age (was it 4? Or 7?)...they MOVED... That's when even in the videos you see the child completely change.
1) WHAT CAUSES A CHILD/TODDLER TO HAVE A DOUBLE HERNIA AT THAT AGE.....
2) What happened that his EVIDENT change occured....
In my heart.... I believe (whether he was hurt as a child IDC ATP)...
JDahmer is/was Homosexual. AndLionel COULD NOT DEAL.
Listen to their phone calls.
Look at all the ways Lionel shipped his son off.
I kinda believe Lionel abandoned Jeff BECAUSE he can't deal w/ having a gay son.
Its kind of heartbreaking there are parents out there that make having children ALL ABOUT THEM...
Pay attention to your kids.
When was this Show live on TV? Im from germany....
A few weeks ago
Plenty of people have an interest in anatomy and dissecting. They go on to become medical examiners, surgeons, and taxidermists...NOT cannabilistc serial killers!
Is noone gonna talk about how his father literally compared Jeffrey to a saint?
I think you’ve missed the point… Saint Paul wasn’t a “Saint” he wasn’t Jesus or God, meaning he also sinned and persecuted Christians
No he didnt. What he meant is that we should not be holier than God. God forgives even the worst sinners and He commands us to forgive, like he forgives us. If God can forgive us, we also need to forgive others to be forgiven.
he attacked a teenage boy. how can you miss that?
I don't think it's fair to blame his father.
The father 110% corrupted and abused Dahmer he’s a sociopath ASPD+NPD all that Dahmer learned was from his father
agreed, infact its quite pathetic to blame some innocent old dude whos only crime was to have a son that turned out to be a pos.
The step mom is a weirdo too
Never forgive and never forget.
One thing we can agree this was all tragedy... But you can not force to control what are people think about the case, everybody has different thought, ones hate him, ones can not forget because they are the family of the victims, ones fascinated, one wonder about the psychology, for whatever reasons everybody has different perspectives... So be it... It is what it is... I Wish all the victim's families can be heal someday...
Is it me or is Dr. Phil posting a lot of videos that are not that interesting lately?
There is something wrong with the father too. Its clear as day. From a psycoligical point of view definitely. Thats where it stemmed from along with other things
yep, no emotion in face
@@arisemagical8674
His eyes are very cold,
like a shark's eyes.
The only light in them is due to
the fact that they're blue rather than darker.
uhh no. I've seen Lionel show plenty of emotion, the dude has had decades of sadness over this already, he's not going to be constantly upset, he's already suffered enough and is probably somewhat numb to it at this point. Leave the innocent dude alone.
Billy Capshaw, the second dude, I feel like he spent the rest of his life blaming Jeff for abusing the F out of his family.
Billy Capshaw needed to grow a pair and be a man , it’s not like he was a little kid. He was in the military.
The way he’s flinging that dog around
I refuse to believe that he didn't ever question or wonder about Jeff's behaviour, Jeff did things that weren't normal. He didn't want to think about it.
Not sure if anyone says, oh this means he will murder/consume people later. Once he had an inkling..he probably thought, future mortician. Jeff's behavior was so bizarre there isn't a ready made defense system outside of normal logic.
Am sorry, but Lionel Dahmer is also so lack of emotions despite the years that have passed and for the TREMENDOUS horror his son did to those bodies and family he can't just say. Oh sorry! Ups. I truly believe he played an important part in this but only wanted to get money and wash his hands... And he didn't gave a damn bout Jeffrey he only cared bout his new lover Shary and left Jeff even with HIS MOTHER that was old and needed care.
I think a lot of people don’t understand kids that live out in the country and how we can be fascinated with animals and how they look. My cousin and I, at around 8 years old used to look for dead animals in the woods so that we could clean the bones and try to reassemble the skeleton. It was neat looking the way the bones fit together. Now in days every time we shoot a deer the whole family helps butcher it. We look at all the organs and different cuts of meat. The kids thought that it was so cool how the tendons pull the leg back and forth it’s not abnormal to find an interest in those types of things. So I believe the father was probably relieved to hear that some of his friends did the same. They just didn’t know about the disturbing parts of Jefferys adventures. Who would automatically assume their child that they’ve raised since birth is insane and capable of killing and torturing? Just because they spent time alone in the woods and collected dead animals? I would assume my kid was doing the same thing I did when I was a kid.
Wow. Talk about a group of people with NO compassion! Jeffrey's father did NOTHING wrong. You all treated him like some kind of evil villain. Jeff was his SON. No matter WHAT he did, first and foremost that man is his father. How many people could even FATHOM that their son they love could be doing those TERRIBLE things? And Dr. Phil.... SHAME ON YOU!!! If I had a dime for every time you've espoused, "I'm the least judgemental person I know" I'd be a millionaire! Well not on this show you weren't! Not one person up there showed one ounce of empathy for that man. Just THINK what he's been through.... Loving his son who did these awful things. I've studied the Dahmer case extensively and know the agony this man must have every waking moment of his life since his son's crimes were exposed. Everyone on that stage should be ashamed how you treated that man and the contempt in your voices. HE didn't hurt your relatives and that's his SON you're expecting him to condemn and say bad things about. It's sure easy to be a judge and jury AFTER THE FACT. Shameful. My heart goes out to that man. He needs to stop going on these shows whose only goal is to try to get him to say hurtful things about a son that he loved. Where is your empathy and compassion for God's sake? I found your treatment and condemnation of him disgusting.
Exactly. It's the same judgmental attitude that prevents people like Jeffrey to open up about his twisted fantasies and stop the path to destruction.
Absolutely incorrect his father was the catalyst of Dahmers behaviors and he’s a total sociopath ASPD+NPD
@@kariann3198 are you a psychologist?
She said "call him Jeff. We don't call him Jeffrey." Well, he was Jeffrey the serial killer! Let's call him what he was!
well encouraging him to cut up animals in the shed didn't help........
That was just in the series, not in real life.
@@xLostInFirex ehhh i don't know about that i read the book.
@@xLostInFirex si pasó.
Not one tear from his family
Love Candace I’ve followed her work for many years.
Brilliant agent.
They didnt want to deal with their son and we reaped the consequences. They are responsible as well. You dont forgive the devil
The answer is no. Its as simple as that
I love Candace Delong
My heart hurts for these men.
People who are sorry for what they have done ask to be punished. They do not ask to be forgiven. When I was 4 years old I witness my brother begging my mother for a beating because he was genuinely sorry for what he did. And you never forget seeing REAL remorse for the rest of your life, I'll never forget that night. Did Jeffrey Dahmer even ask for forgiveness? If not then why is his father asking for forgiveness????????????? I don't understand that.
Jeff did ask for forgiveness and he also fully cooperated with police to help things.
Most parents who overlooked. Just didn't want him prosecuted. They cover up most of the time. Shameful..🙏🙏🙏🙏😈😈
I always laugh when ppl talk about warning signs bc no parent ever contemplates whether their son or daughter will turn out to be a serial killer with 20 victims... The victims have a right to their feelings but i disagree with putting total blame on the parents. There are hundreds of thousands of kids in america that are shy and awkward. As for the roadkill it is it really that hard to believe the parents had no clue??? Not hard to not be seen in a country area with heavy forestation.
Yes he is part of the problem
Just cuz he killed ppl doesn't justify the fact ANOTHER person who's killed b4 killed him two wrongs don't make a right even if he was a sicko
Billy Capshaw does NOT have a son that was killed by Jeff! Capshaw was in the army with him, he is Jeff's age, if he had a son, it wasn't when he knew Jeff (probably long after Jeff left the army) and Jeff did not ever even meet the kid, (or even know of his existence) much less kill him.
They didn't say Jeff murdered his son. I believe that he said he "lost his family" as in the family separated due the consequences of his trauma affecting them or something like that. Did some digging and I believe his son also murdered and raped 2 women. There's a comment from someone who's supposedly his son's half-sister saying she believes that what happened to Billy affected his son so much he became a murderer and rapist himself. It's all from unverified sources but the supposed sun (Vernon Kip Capshaw) does live in the same place as Billy and has the same last name so I do believe it could be true and it would align with dr Phil saying he's sorry about his son.
@@xLostInFirex
Oh ok, I did not know this, thank you so much for that info! Boy you have really done your research! 😉👍
God he seems so medicated!
Judging Jeffrey Dahmer’s childhood activities, there are way too more children out here in today’s world. Multiplied by millions i would say. Small kids stomped infants head, teenage killing their parents, their own blood. Aren’t those red flag too? Jeff Dahmer was gone, gone long time back, why would you always bring the trauma to the victims and Jeffs family too. People need to take actions what is going today’s world.
Yes and his primary victim was & so till remains his Father
Dang right, his father knew
a happy little boy picking up road kill?? are you kidding me? does he show grandma his collection?
This guy!!! He spends more time asking for forgiveness for his monster than he spends apologizing to the victims. SMH Talk about selfish. If we tortured and killed his monster would he forgive us? No way. All he cares about is own monster, no remorse for the victims SMH I'm not a great judge of character but even I can see that the father is crazy too. And what's with the wanting to honor Jeffrey Dahmer's wishes to be creamated??? Jeffrey Dahmer disrespected all those body's but his father fought to give Jeffrey an honorable cremation?????????? Yea that father is the problem. I have a suggestion for this guy. Since he believes in forgiveness so much, go strike up a friendship with the great hero Christopher Scarver. Hey Lionel go give Chris Scarver a huge. Go put some money Chris Scarver's books. Give Chris Scarver's kids and family some money. Post a picture of you hugging the great Chris Scarver since you're so obsessed with forgiveness. Practice what you preach or shut up. I forgive Chris Scarver for ended the life of your monster since you have such a crazy obsession for forgiveness. He mentions nothing about forgiving my hero Chris Scarver for ending the life of notorious monster Jeffrey Dahmer. Typical selfish guy. Since he's so obsessed with forgiveness, I want to see him strike up a real loving friendship with Chris Scarver. Practice what you preach Mr. Dahmer. Beg the state of Wisconsin to release Chris Scarver. FREE CHRIS SCARVER! FREE CHRIS SCARVER! FREE CHRIS SCARVER!!! If we're going to forgive the monster Jeffrey Dahmer who killed and tortured 17 INNOCENT people including a poor kid then by logical deduction we must also forgive The Great Christopher Scarver who only killed 3 people, 3 guilty, horrible sounding people I might add. Actually Chris only killed 2 people, I don't consider the 3rd to really be a person. I'm closer to a real cop than the actual cops. I would have busted Ole Jeffrey on my first opportunity.
I never thought babies had sweet baby breath? Am I the only one who thought that was strange to say????
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Omg same lol. And as a sidenote, who isn't a good kid at the beginning? I've never heard someone say that a baby was evil, it makes no sense so I always kinda roll my eyes when the stories start off with that.
All these cozy home videos does NOT alter the fact of who he really was deep down inside 😒
I CAN NEVER FORGIVE ANYTHING the devil did also what the parents did, for sure, cuz the father have pushed his trouble to the society again and again, never has occurred to him to educate and regulate his evil seed is his damn job and responsibility !! all he did was push the trouble to the outside world damn it
Yeah, because he knew his son will be a psycho killer...No parent would assume that based on so very little clues. He did most things in secret. You are so smart because you have all the information handed to you. What could he do exactly? Jeff was an adult when committed all the crimes and his father had nothing to do with it.
Forgiveness seems a very strange subject - how can we forgive Jeffrey for what he has done? Is it just so the families involved can cope better? It is a shame Jeffrey had to suffer from fantasies that drove him to do this but forgiveness doesn't seem natural (it is religious beliefs which make it sound right). We need to find answers to stop this from happening again. If he could have been treated so his disorder didn't make him want to do these things, then it seems sensible that we should forgive him. If Jeffrey had been cured he probably would have needed long-term counseling to cope with his monstrous past. I think this is why he drank so much, so it was easier to act out his horrible fantasies. Weirdly, he didn't do it for one whole year and claimed he just didn't get the opportunity but if the fantasies were so strong, he surely would have made the time. I wonder if anything that year decreased his condition, seems strange he could cope with not doing gross things for so long. Maybe he looked at less porn for whatever reason which decreased the fantasies.
Am I the only one that believes that Jeffrey Dahmer did not come from a good home; that Jeffrey Dahmer's parents messed him up to become they way that he was?
No , that’s not what messed him up.
I do think that the father knew that sth was wrong with him, but how could he see that his son is gonna be a serial killer. I mean you have to consider the time, age and background of the parents.
Not him trying to compare Jeffrey to Saint Paul 😂that entire family is delusional.
You are delusional because that's not .what he was trying
I've seen that clip with the dog and it's hard to watch him grab that little pup by legs and hyperextend his shoulders. I kinda had that feeling when I saw the weird way Lionel was throwing Jeffrey around too. No affection or tenderness, just like tossing around an object.
Ahh please!ive seen milion of videos on social media nowadays when kids grabbing and worse dogs or cats like they are toys while parents recording and saying is cute
Dr.Phil is just getting worse and worse about exploiting victims to fill his pockets. I'm done watching from now on, I can't support this disgusting show.
Well said 🙏🏻
Exploitation, that's right! He's just as bad as Netflix!
@@00BeesKnees00 exactly! Hes cashing in on the Jeffery Dahmer hype too, digging up old interviews and leaving out big important parts of the story. While bashing netflix 🤦♀️
First one so interesting
I'm sorry, but if your son is collecting dead animals, how do you not know that maybe he wanted to become a biologist or a veterinarian? We dissect animals in biology and that's acceptable. We all find the goodness in our kids no matter what. If he had found the head in the box than obviously that would have been the game changer. Kids are very curious about things as they are growing up ...if he was killing the animals himself then I would say that was a red flag.
i can see dr phil went from helping people to cashing in for the money. profiting off this horrific event, yet pretending that he is helping everyone. why didn't he do this sooner?
He liked to explore the human anatomy people get paid well for doing that however you do need a college degree and it is illegal to kill but sometimes I see no difference I could not stomach working on a dead person or a live one for that matter