@@srinjoyroychoudhury7034 fiberglass surveying rod + steel pipe + surveying stake. cant find wood dowels that heavy. i assume the historical korean arrow was tanged all along the shaft making it a true iron arrow
I ordered 95 lb Majesty but don't know a safe stringing method which can be used on regular basis without bending/breaking the bow/limb. Can you tell me?
@@HistoricalWeapons Hi, watched a few videos of your, pretty much enjoyed them. I think you need to stay way back from your chronograph, as the arrow isn´t at full speed after your release. Would make the measurments even more impressive... Greetings
The military test bow was called Jeong Ryang Gung (정량궁), and it was bigger version of Gakgung. The reason they used JRG for the test is to see how archer is trained. If you have trained good technique and developed arm strength, then you won't have any issue using the bow, right? Gakgung with 40~50 lb is used for training and hunting. Military bow was much stronger. JRG was sometimes used for real action, but wasn't standard. The heaviest draw weight bow written in the Korean history would be Yi Seong-gye's Gakgung. (Correct me if I'm wrong.)
I'm honestly impressed, i didn't think normal korean bow design could shoot that heavy arrow so far. I was sure it needed the korean strong bow to do it, witch is very similar to manchu bow, and ment to shoot heavy arrows, unlike this target archery bow (the joseon war bow has longer more forward pointing ears with different design ears than these korean target bows, this design is also historical, but ment for target practice)
Thank you for doing this test. 120-140lbs would be similar to what one late-Ming-era text, T'ien-Kung K'ai-Wu by Sung Ying-Hsing/Yingxing Song, indicates was the common military draw weight (not strong & not weak). 60 catties [78lbs] was the weak draw weight the book lists, & 120 catties [156lbs] the strong. Qing military records likewise give around 80lbs as the minimum military draw weight, though some Qing archers couldn't quite manage this in examination. I'd be surprised if the Joseon minimum draw weight was much lower. But perhaps they just preferred lighter bows for some reason. As far as the chronograph numbers go, this 21st-century bow isn't actually performing much better than the 136lb bow Adam Karpowicz tested, especially when you factor in that this bow has an extra 2in of draw length.. That 136@30" Ottoman-style composite managed 210fps at 7.85gpp, which this 122@32" bow is getting 222fps (max) at 8gpp. In theory, the extra 2in of draw should boost the Turkish bow's kinetic energy by around 8.7%, which would put it at 96% of the Daylite. & Karpowicz notes that the Turkish bows could be faster with less elastic strings. Curiously, you got less kinetic energy with the heavy arrows (1600-1700 grains) than you did with the medium-weight ones (apart from that one 206fps reading). Karpowicz didn't test the 136lb bow beyond 11.38gpp, but it managed 180.4fps with that 1548-grain arrow. The Daylite got 161fps at 13.11gpp. All of Karpowicz's composite bows managed greater kinetic energy as arrow weight increased, up to 23gpp. So the Daylite performs notably worse than Karpowicz's bows with heavier arrows. Something weird appears to be going on. Perhaps Karpowicz's numbers are off, or modern materials react differently to heavier arrows. Or something else. Did you happen to chronograph the 3750-grain arrow? If so, I missed it. Of course, a range test also depends on the arrow's aerodynamics. If the historical arrows dragged more, then it would have required a more powerful bow to get to 96 meters.
thanks for the awesome data. i know Mr. Karpowicz is an expert bowyer so i feel humbled to compare data with a commercial bow. also my release is done with double hook thumb draw, did he test it with a machine release？ also the carbon arrow is a lot thinner than those wood arrows, which means easier to avoid shelf contact and better aerodynamics. another thing to consider is the lighting conditions of the chrono is during the late afternoon. i have heard a saying that korean bows are not designed for heavy arrows, that is where manchu bows shine. so 1700 grain is well above the designed gpp of this bow i think
i did not put a lot of thought in the aerodynamics, it is a simple fiberglass rod with two fletchings. the arrow shoots with some wobble so i could prehaps get another 20% more out of it if i tried to design an aerodynamic arrow. the foc was also quite high and the arrow rear portion is not tapered. i believe aerodynamics would play some part, but certainly a lot less than a flight arrow, considering the massive weight
@@HistoricalWeapons Karpowicz used shooting machine. The machine drew & shot within two seconds to maximize performance. Yeah, bowyer skill matters so much. I imagine historical bows varied considerably depending on the care put into making them as well as on material quality & other semirandom factors.
@@b.h.abbott-motley2427 that makes sense. as a human i probably pulled inconsistently from 30 - 32" draw length during the chronograph testing. note, the heavy arrow tests were done last. shot around 50 arrows that day. also a shooting machine means the draw weight is held for a few seconds so it cannot be compared directly with a human shooter achieving max draw only for a brief milisecond
@@b.h.abbott-motley2427 btw the chronograph testing i never pulled it to 33". id say max i pulled is 32.5, which is around 126 pounds. but usually 120lbs i pulled
A test record from 1795 shows that the average range shot by the test attendees with the Strong Bow(정량궁) was about 130 paces, which is about 156m. And archers in Korea say no modern Korean archer even came close to this record with the same conditions.
traditional Korean archery put their target at the distance of 145m. ie, most people can routinely hit a target at 145m distance using practice bows, so obvioulsy the arrow will fly much further no problem. I think you got the numbers wrong some where.
@@whisperer1705정량궁을 쏠때는 육량전이라고 무거운 화살을 쏩니다. 그래서 멀리 못나가죠. 조선시대 기록보면 한양의 불한당들이 지방에서 무과보러 오는 응시생들을 불구로 만들기 위해 육량전으로 가격해서 목뼈를 부러뜨리는 일이 있었죠. 그정도로 무거운 화살입니다.
I read your description in this video and deeply appreciated your efforts and professionalism in making this video. It's a work of passionate researcher, not an average content creator. I'm really pleased to find out this plarform still has such a bright mind with a good heart online. Thanks for your work.
Really good test! I would assume (or even guarantee) that with a 240 gram projectile the energy efficiency will be at 99%. Therefore what matter the most is the stored energy in the bow (the integral of the force draw curve). So if this bow has the same tillering and the same geometry as a historical accurate horn bow (same force draw curve). The performance with a heavy projectile would be close to equal. That said I believe the historical Korean bows bends a little closer to the handle and has a higher angled siyah. Which means that the horn bow would store even more energy and perform even better with a 240 gram projectile.
Hi, I was wondering about how often you get back pain from drawing bows this strong and how has your experience with muscle/ joint pain been since you started pulling heavier and heavier bows throughout the years?
@@HistoricalWeapons how about your shoulders...??? Do you get shoulders pain...?? Coz when i started pulling heavy weight bows my shoulder is pain, especially when wake up from sleep... do you have any tips for healing shoulder pain...??
This is an amazing video.I am a Korean who is very interested in bows. But I didn't know as much about traditional Korean bows as you do. Are you Korean?
@@HistoricalWeapons Why did you not measure it at other draw lengths? I think it would be nice if you'd always show measurements at all relevant draw weights if you test a heavy bow, similar to how Armin Hirmer is doing it if he tests bows. He always puts every bow at his tiller stand and measures 28, 29, 30, 31 etc.
@@Tystros this video is not meant to be a bow review, so i didnt think it was necessary to outline the bow's force draw curve at each inch. it would take a lot of time and turn the video into more of a consumer bow review. i want to focus the time making historical topics rather than this data
@@HistoricalWeapons Well I think if you have such a unique bow that no one else has, it would be good to have a "bow review" video for such a bow, as you're the only person who can make a bow review for that bow, and your subscribers like me like to hear how awesome some new heavy bow is ;) So I'd like if you'd do a bit more "review" of such bow, including more draw weight measurements at different draw lengths.
If I'm not mistaken the josé on period was also the period where Japan, when it got it's shit together and stopped killing each other for power, also invaded Korea, twice and committed the second and third largest genocides in history after the harrowing of the North {pop vs World pop in the period with the largest ever as a %of pop independent of period being the Porrojmos nazi genocide of Roma (nearly 90% annihilation)}.
Joseon Dynasty lasted from 1392 to 1910, including the era of the Korean Empire(대한제국/大韓帝國), ruled/reigned by Clan Yi of Jeon-Ju. In 1897, the 26th King of Joseon, Gojong became an emperor and the name of the state was called as the Korean Empire.
Thank you so much! This is gold for me! I shoot the Turkish puta target between 180-250 meters. (laminated bows 50-60# Type: Fekete Beg made by Jozsef Monus). These target sizes and distances are key information for me. What I do is my way to keep alive these results by hit the same targets on the same distances today. This is my main thing. Turkish archeologist told me the shot the puta as military training from 70-120 meters and 165-250 as a challange/sport. This is why I do it myself.
Where are you getting arrows? Do you make them, have them made for you or are they commercially available? I only ask because I've just finished a 110lb Mongol style bow and I'm too scared of splintering an arrow on the string to actually shoot it.
Nice vid as always Jack. It’s interesting how they tested range with such heavy arrows (basically half-pounders) instead of testing accuracy and maximum distance with lighter weight arrows, since most Asiatic designs are more proficient at shooting lighter arrows. Comparatively speaking, an English warbow pulling 130# is more efficient with an arrow weighing around 1350 grains than bows of this design or similar, then again it’s all relative to draw weight and materials as well. It would be interesting to see a bow like that shooting with a Tong-Ah (hope I spelled that right) and what sort of results it would get. Thanks for sharing Jack, keep shooting straight and God Bless. 🏹👍
they had criteria for light weights too. but the reason why i did this test is it gives us a better understanding of max draw weight. their testing for accuracy does not really communicate what draw weights they are shooting, since even 40lbs can reach 150 meters
bamboo korean bows are rare today, i have one made of bamboo and wood based on a chinese design instead, of the han dynasty, for a crossbow th-cam.com/video/edaAm2-ZpBo/w-d-xo.html
To those who can't imagine how heavy the arrow hit , a baseball is like around 150 grain and the highest speed record ever made is around 105 mph in MLB , and that is already lethal to human. He's using arrow about 1000 grain traveling at the speed of 150 mph , even a elephant will die.
Nice video and Very informative.. wondering that war bow and arrow penetrating the historical imperial Korean military armour.. 💪💪 I believed the morphology area during the war limit the certain distance of shooting distance... hopefully we could see the impact of the Korean warbow and arrow towards the imperial armour at 96m distance.🙏 Thanks for the video & research..👍👍👍
G'day, thanks for your video efforts. One question probably been asked before: What's with the 33inch draw length poundage? Are they leg bows?. Thanks again 😊
In Tods experiment (longbow vs plate armour) Joe used a 160lbs@30" bow with 1235grain arrows and their speed was 181,7ft/s. So he almost got the same results as you, probably a bit worse. I know that horn bows are more effective than yew bows, but I'm completely sure that the elite archers used bows with about the same draw weight as the English archers, so roughly 145-170lbs. You cannot do anything serious in a war with an army of archers, who use 60-80lbs bows.
the Koreans were at war with the Japanese where their logistics and manpower was severely strained. At these situations very likely light bows were used due to the desperate situation
Fantastic 🇫🇮🤘💜 I still dream to start making and testing crossbows again. You are very inspiring with your content, your great bows and your fantastic skill🍾
you basicaly put loose salt in an arrow? I got a light bow on order to practise with & i can draw these to 34" at full draw. Black eagle trad at 34" seem to be the only arrows commercially available, i'll try some skylon bentwoods to see how those work with the light bow in terms of length. I already shoot stupid poundages for modern barebow so i might aswell go all the way and get me some trad action 😂
Hi sir😊. Hmm after I watched your video on monarq warbow, I'm finally decided to get it (53" 70 lbs) from amazon😬 If you don't mind, may you suggest the suitable arrow for it? I already have 500 spine, about 516 grains, while the tips are 150 grains. Is it suitable with that bow? Hope you and others can help me...🙏
I think it's more, remember they started the moment they could shoot a bow at age 3-4, we start today way later with way weaker bows. We are nothing in comparison to human strength in relation with discipline and willpower back in ancient times. Kids with English bows started at 40-50 pounds, I'm sure warbows were 130-170 pounds easily regardless of what culture.
the korean alphabet is invented in 1443 but was not used much due to politics until the late 16th century. the Joseon military exams started before this time. they used chinese characters before this time.
@@HistoricalWeapons im back. 130파운드의 장력 33인치의 길리로 당겼을때 가장 무거운 조선의 전궁 (戰弓) 시험 (now) >Historical Archery_130파운드 국궁 강궁 쏴봤습니다.(130# / 33"draw Korean traditional warbow shooting test) (suggest) maybe its smoother script
Carbon limbed traditional bow? Whoah, just found out about it today. Too bad, that aggressive branding isn't good. Any bowyers who makes one at 90lbs? I'm upgrading my 80lbs solid fiberglass.
@@HistoricalWeapons I did not mention any hornbows. I was just admiring a carbon limb trad bow at that weight. Most carbon/laminate bows are below 60lbs. We have a lot of options for heavyweight fiberglass, but those things shoot like...cheap bows. Planned to purchase Monarq but...out of stock :(
Lmfao... bro... imagine u on a horse, and "oh yeah, oh yeah" all day head shotting zombie, I don't know why I just have that thing pop in my head, looool, it just funny as fuck.... ha ha ha... sheeeessshhh, what the fuck they put in this joint??....
Since Korean War is mostly revolved around siege warfare and defending chokepoints, these things raining down on enemy from above would punch through practically most armor they face in that era and region
I'll have to order one of those heavy waight Korean bows, looks fun I have had a hard time finding info on ancient war bows. Specifically on preparation of a horn bow for battle. One of the best was a paper was Manchu war bows, and an army group defending a city that would have archery contests. 80% could use a 100lb bow, 40% could do 130lb, 20% 170lb, and a few guys could shoot a champions bow 200lb. The paper also mentioned an official royal bow hunter had to be able to use a 130lb bow The bow waights mostly match up with English longbows from the Mary rose ship, at around 100lb to 170lb. So it wouldn't be crazy to think ancient Korean archers would be shooting similar weight bows
Dude please!!!! Your vids r shown in the USA, we don't use the metric system! Can't u at least add on the distances in feet or yards as well as meters? Please?
@@HistoricalWeapons oh that's ok, I'm just frustrated cuz I never learned it, & it's not just u , EVERYONE seems to use it & I'm always like ugh! What the crap y'all r meaning lol, I really like your vids btw, & I absolutely love horse/war bows. Actually expecting my tartar bow tomorrow! I mostly shoot Mongolian & Turkish ones. Love em all.
Korea has been famous for bows for thousands of years. This is because all the countries of the Korean Peninsula were rooted in the northern nomadic peoples. The Korean-Mongolian-Manchurian-Turkish peoples are all ethnic groups that diverged from similar roots thousands of years ago. So Koreans,Mongols, Manchus, and Turks (Turks) have similar language systems. The bows they use are the same as compound bows and horn bows. However, Korea's bow culture has been largely forgotten since the appearance of the matchlock, and most of them disappeared due to the policy of annihilation of Korean traditional culture during Japanese colonial rule in the early 20th century.
Actually I'm gonna guess that the average archer bow is around 100lb, cuze I saw a video on mid century korean warbow(it's in korean) and they made a close replica that is in france. It was just around 1cm thinner in with and it was like 95lb from what I remember. And yes it was a horn bow that they recreated. Also, if you want to try and import it, I can link to you sites that makes bamboo and longbow linke bows in korea. Although, they are doing things without much record so it might not be 100percent accurate to history.
Bows where used until the 20th century and crossbows where used in viatnam war and the chinesse army still use em but modern style crossbows. Also there was a person who protectet his home from robber whit a bow
한국어 자막을 추가했습니다. 오른쪽 하단 모서리에 있는 버튼 클릭
special thanks for Mr. Kim for the subtitles
Did you make that arrow yourself?
@@srinjoyroychoudhury7034 Yes
@@srinjoyroychoudhury7034 fiberglass surveying rod + steel pipe + surveying stake. cant find wood dowels that heavy. i assume the historical korean arrow was tanged all along the shaft making it a true iron arrow
I ordered 95 lb Majesty but don't know a safe stringing method which can be used on regular basis without bending/breaking the bow/limb. Can you tell me?
@@dtoxxyz5871 waist cable
As a Korean, I would like to thank you for providing a lot of information on the Korean bow, especially the bow of the Joseon Dynasty
Our pleasure!
@@HistoricalWeapons Hi, watched a few videos of your, pretty much enjoyed them. I think you need to stay way back from your chronograph, as the arrow isn´t at full speed after your release. Would make the measurments even more impressive...
Greetings
@@DonRubinjo thanks . check out my wallachian shorts
@@HistoricalWeapons I tried to, but couldn´t find it...
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The military test bow was called Jeong Ryang Gung (정량궁), and it was bigger version of Gakgung. The reason they used JRG for the test is to see how archer is trained. If you have trained good technique and developed arm strength, then you won't have any issue using the bow, right?
Gakgung with 40~50 lb is used for training and hunting. Military bow was much stronger. JRG was sometimes used for real action, but wasn't standard.
The heaviest draw weight bow written in the Korean history would be Yi Seong-gye's Gakgung. (Correct me if I'm wrong.)
I'm honestly impressed, i didn't think normal korean bow design could shoot that heavy arrow so far. I was sure it needed the korean strong bow to do it, witch is very similar to manchu bow, and ment to shoot heavy arrows, unlike this target archery bow (the joseon war bow has longer more forward pointing ears with different design ears than these korean target bows, this design is also historical, but ment for target practice)
this is javelin size
Korean has many design
We are heavily affected by central asian nomads in BC, we loved lamellar armours, horses and bows.
Excellent work, Sir! Entertaining and educational.
thanks
Your an absolute beast for pulling such a heavy bow. And your a like a walking dictionary bro. So informative and so smart
Thank you for doing this test. 120-140lbs would be similar to what one late-Ming-era text, T'ien-Kung K'ai-Wu by Sung Ying-Hsing/Yingxing Song, indicates was the common military draw weight (not strong & not weak). 60 catties [78lbs] was the weak draw weight the book lists, & 120 catties [156lbs] the strong. Qing military records likewise give around 80lbs as the minimum military draw weight, though some Qing archers couldn't quite manage this in examination. I'd be surprised if the Joseon minimum draw weight was much lower. But perhaps they just preferred lighter bows for some reason.
As far as the chronograph numbers go, this 21st-century bow isn't actually performing much better than the 136lb bow Adam Karpowicz tested, especially when you factor in that this bow has an extra 2in of draw length.. That 136@30" Ottoman-style composite managed 210fps at 7.85gpp, which this 122@32" bow is getting 222fps (max) at 8gpp. In theory, the extra 2in of draw should boost the Turkish bow's kinetic energy by around 8.7%, which would put it at 96% of the Daylite. & Karpowicz notes that the Turkish bows could be faster with less elastic strings.
Curiously, you got less kinetic energy with the heavy arrows (1600-1700 grains) than you did with the medium-weight ones (apart from that one 206fps reading). Karpowicz didn't test the 136lb bow beyond 11.38gpp, but it managed 180.4fps with that 1548-grain arrow. The Daylite got 161fps at 13.11gpp. All of Karpowicz's composite bows managed greater kinetic energy as arrow weight increased, up to 23gpp. So the Daylite performs notably worse than Karpowicz's bows with heavier arrows. Something weird appears to be going on. Perhaps Karpowicz's numbers are off, or modern materials react differently to heavier arrows. Or something else. Did you happen to chronograph the 3750-grain arrow? If so, I missed it.
Of course, a range test also depends on the arrow's aerodynamics. If the historical arrows dragged more, then it would have required a more powerful bow to get to 96 meters.
thanks for the awesome data. i know Mr. Karpowicz is an expert bowyer so i feel humbled to compare data with a commercial bow. also my release is done with double hook thumb draw, did he test it with a machine release？ also the carbon arrow is a lot thinner than those wood arrows, which means easier to avoid shelf contact and better aerodynamics. another thing to consider is the lighting conditions of the chrono is during the late afternoon. i have heard a saying that korean bows are not designed for heavy arrows, that is where manchu bows shine. so 1700 grain is well above the designed gpp of this bow i think
i did not put a lot of thought in the aerodynamics, it is a simple fiberglass rod with two fletchings. the arrow shoots with some wobble so i could prehaps get another 20% more out of it if i tried to design an aerodynamic arrow. the foc was also quite high and the arrow rear portion is not tapered. i believe aerodynamics would play some part, but certainly a lot less than a flight arrow, considering the massive weight
@@HistoricalWeapons Karpowicz used shooting machine. The machine drew & shot within two seconds to maximize performance. Yeah, bowyer skill matters so much. I imagine historical bows varied considerably depending on the care put into making them as well as on material quality & other semirandom factors.
@@b.h.abbott-motley2427 that makes sense. as a human i probably pulled inconsistently from 30 - 32" draw length during the chronograph testing. note, the heavy arrow tests were done last. shot around 50 arrows that day. also a shooting machine means the draw weight is held for a few seconds so it cannot be compared directly with a human shooter achieving max draw only for a brief milisecond
@@b.h.abbott-motley2427 btw the chronograph testing i never pulled it to 33". id say max i pulled is 32.5, which is around 126 pounds. but usually 120lbs i pulled
A test record from 1795 shows that the average range shot by the test attendees with the Strong Bow(정량궁) was about 130 paces, which is about 156m. And archers in Korea say no modern Korean archer even came close to this record with the same conditions.
130보가 156m 라는 것은 과도하게 계산된 것입니다.
1보는 0.8m 정도로 봅니다.
그러면 104m 정도이지요.
180보라면 144m 정도 되네요.
국궁 기본이 146m인데
@@diamolee559 화성성역의궤에 기록된 길이를 실측 결과랑 환산하면 1보당 120.78cm 라고 나오죠
traditional Korean archery put their target at the distance of 145m.
ie, most people can routinely hit a target at 145m distance using practice bows, so obvioulsy the arrow will fly much further no problem.
I think you got the numbers wrong some where.
@@whisperer1705정량궁을 쏠때는 육량전이라고 무거운 화살을 쏩니다.
그래서 멀리 못나가죠.
조선시대 기록보면 한양의 불한당들이 지방에서 무과보러 오는 응시생들을 불구로 만들기 위해 육량전으로 가격해서 목뼈를 부러뜨리는 일이 있었죠. 그정도로 무거운 화살입니다.
I saw your short and now I’m entranced haha, I love your passion! Keep up the great work
Thanks man
I read your description in this video and deeply appreciated your efforts and professionalism in making this video. It's a work of passionate researcher, not an average content creator. I'm really pleased to find out this plarform still has such a bright mind with a good heart online. Thanks for your work.
I think lighter draw weights would be used for the baby arrows as the heavy poundage could damage the bow and the arrow itself
dude 130lb will get blown up on a 100 grain arrow
@@nerhaci2074 small arrows doesn't have to be light. There are plenty of ways to make baby arrow just as heavy as normal arrow.
Really good test!
I would assume (or even guarantee) that with a 240 gram projectile the energy efficiency will be at 99%. Therefore what matter the most is the stored energy in the bow (the integral of the force draw curve). So if this bow has the same tillering and the same geometry as a historical accurate horn bow (same force draw curve). The performance with a heavy projectile would be close to equal. That said I believe the historical Korean bows bends a little closer to the handle and has a higher angled siyah. Which means that the horn bow would store even more energy and perform even better with a 240 gram projectile.
Hi, I was wondering about how often you get back pain from drawing bows this strong and how has your experience with muscle/ joint pain been since you started pulling heavier and heavier bows throughout the years?
sometimes, its not bad for now. hopefully does not worsen overtime.
@@HistoricalWeapons how about your shoulders...??? Do you get shoulders pain...?? Coz when i started pulling heavy weight bows my shoulder is pain, especially when wake up from sleep... do you have any tips for healing shoulder pain...??
@@galihputrai7882 it's fine
@@galihputrai7882 yes, physical therapy. After that, learn some weight exercises.
It happen early a few month. After that it no longer fill.
This is an amazing video.I am a Korean who is very interested in bows. But I didn't know as much about traditional Korean bows as you do.
Are you Korean?
Hi I'm not but how are the korean subtitles
I’ve never pulled more than 65# I’m impressed! Nice video.
Thanks!
Very nice! I like when you do history lessons ;) What is the draw weight of the bow at 30"? And what at 28"?
i didnt measure it but it was 105lb@30 approximately. i doubt he making another one this heavy. its back breaking work
around 90@28 by feel
@@HistoricalWeapons Why did you not measure it at other draw lengths? I think it would be nice if you'd always show measurements at all relevant draw weights if you test a heavy bow, similar to how Armin Hirmer is doing it if he tests bows. He always puts every bow at his tiller stand and measures 28, 29, 30, 31 etc.
@@Tystros this video is not meant to be a bow review, so i didnt think it was necessary to outline the bow's force draw curve at each inch. it would take a lot of time and turn the video into more of a consumer bow review. i want to focus the time making historical topics rather than this data
@@HistoricalWeapons Well I think if you have such a unique bow that no one else has, it would be good to have a "bow review" video for such a bow, as you're the only person who can make a bow review for that bow, and your subscribers like me like to hear how awesome some new heavy bow is ;) So I'd like if you'd do a bit more "review" of such bow, including more draw weight measurements at different draw lengths.
That’s a beast you make it look pretty easy. Thanks for the information. Take care my friend God bless 👍🏽🏹🇺🇸
Thanks, you too!
A 1000 grain arrow over 200fps, wow! An awesome demonstration my friend 😁
Thank you! Cheers!
I love archery 🏹 it's a uniting factor that every civilization has used, it's fun and it's a great upper body workout
@@---qb1bf Don't forget the Australian Aborigines, they didn't invent bow either
You shoot amazing with some very heavy draw bows. That takes alot of strength and skill
thanks
Thanks for the extremely informative video! I've just started archery and watching you pull 130lb bow is just jaw dropping
damn, look at those clean release, dude. nice!! ^0^/
thanks you too
Yes your form seems to be improving all the time as you get more comfortable with these weights.
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Would you do a video the history of arrowheads? I wonder if there is overlap with eastern and western arrowheads during silk trade
I plan but not right now
Now that is a beast of a bow great video brother
1000 Grain bow at 220 FPS equates to about 145 Joules / 108 Ft Lb...for bow that is crazy...
If I'm not mistaken the josé on period was also the period where Japan, when it got it's shit together and stopped killing each other for power, also invaded Korea, twice and committed the second and third largest genocides in history after the harrowing of the North {pop vs World pop in the period with the largest ever as a %of pop independent of period being the Porrojmos nazi genocide of Roma (nearly 90% annihilation)}.
yes, General Hideyoshi mobilized an army of 225,000 men for an invasion of Korea in the spring of 1592.
@@HistoricalWeapons he was quite mad with syphilis you know
Joseon Dynasty lasted from 1392 to 1910, including the era of the Korean Empire(대한제국/大韓帝國), ruled/reigned by Clan Yi of Jeon-Ju. In 1897, the 26th King of Joseon, Gojong became an emperor and the name of the state was called as the Korean Empire.
Thank you so much! This is gold for me! I shoot the Turkish puta target between 180-250 meters. (laminated bows 50-60# Type: Fekete Beg made by Jozsef Monus). These target sizes and distances are key information for me. What I do is my way to keep alive these results by hit the same targets on the same distances today. This is my main thing. Turkish archeologist told me the shot the puta as military training from 70-120 meters and 165-250 as a challange/sport. This is why I do it myself.
Where are you getting arrows? Do you make them, have them made for you or are they commercially available? I only ask because I've just finished a 110lb Mongol style bow and I'm too scared of splintering an arrow on the string to actually shoot it.
Nice vid as always Jack. It’s interesting how they tested range with such heavy arrows (basically half-pounders) instead of testing accuracy and maximum distance with lighter weight arrows, since most Asiatic designs are more proficient at shooting lighter arrows. Comparatively speaking, an English warbow pulling 130# is more efficient with an arrow weighing around 1350 grains than bows of this design or similar, then again it’s all relative to draw weight and materials as well. It would be interesting to see a bow like that shooting with a Tong-Ah (hope I spelled that right) and what sort of results it would get. Thanks for sharing Jack, keep shooting straight and God Bless. 🏹👍
they had criteria for light weights too. but the reason why i did this test is it gives us a better understanding of max draw weight. their testing for accuracy does not really communicate what draw weights they are shooting, since even 40lbs can reach 150 meters
I wonder can they make a 200 lb bow?
so far this is the max they can make
Warbows like longbows definitely get heavier than that
Beautiful Bow. Is there a Korean long bow that is functional? I like Bamboo bows too
bamboo korean bows are rare today, i have one made of bamboo and wood based on a chinese design instead, of the han dynasty, for a crossbow th-cam.com/video/edaAm2-ZpBo/w-d-xo.html
@@HistoricalWeapons I would love to practice Jeongsimjeonggi at some point and learn from Grandmaster Shin in Korea or Gm Kim in California.
@@HistoricalWeapons Thank you for sharing these magnificent bows
To those who can't imagine how heavy the arrow hit , a baseball is like around 150 grain and the highest speed record ever made is around 105 mph in MLB , and that is already lethal to human.
He's using arrow about 1000 grain traveling at the speed of 150 mph , even a elephant will die.
Shit , I mixed grain and gram , so it's like half weight of a baseball actually.
That still kills a elephant anyway.
@@i82426 the first arrow I shot is 243 gram around 1/4 kg
@@i82426 yes it can kill elephant but mostly designed for armor penetration
Hi, do you have any source for heavy arrows? I bought a 110 lbs bow from Alibow but I can't find any arrows for safe shooting 🤷♂️
Great video! I would love it if you could try out the accuracy test to see how much skill that requires
Will try
Accuracy never my strong suit
Nice video and Very informative.. wondering that war bow and arrow penetrating the historical imperial Korean military armour.. 💪💪
I believed the morphology area during the war limit the certain distance of shooting distance... hopefully we could see the impact of the Korean warbow and arrow towards the imperial armour at 96m distance.🙏
Thanks for the video & research..👍👍👍
G'day, thanks for your video efforts. One question probably been asked before: What's with the 33inch draw length poundage? Are they leg bows?. Thanks again 😊
In Tods experiment (longbow vs plate armour) Joe used a 160lbs@30" bow with 1235grain arrows and their speed was 181,7ft/s. So he almost got the same results as you, probably a bit worse. I know that horn bows are more effective than yew bows, but I'm completely sure that the elite archers used bows with about the same draw weight as the English archers, so roughly 145-170lbs. You cannot do anything serious in a war with an army of archers, who use 60-80lbs bows.
the Koreans were at war with the Japanese where their logistics and manpower was severely strained. At these situations very likely light bows were used due to the desperate situation
You should also try 편전 (애기살). It's a short arrow they used to use with a small barrel.
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Fantastic 🇫🇮🤘💜 I still dream to start making and testing crossbows again. You are very inspiring with your content, your great bows and your fantastic skill🍾
thank you for watching! i have crossbow videos now
Incredibly strong and you drew the bow like a boss!
Cool deductive testing
you basicaly put loose salt in an arrow?
I got a light bow on order to practise with & i can draw these to 34" at full draw. Black eagle trad at 34" seem to be the only arrows commercially available, i'll try some skylon bentwoods to see how those work with the light bow in terms of length.
I already shoot stupid poundages for modern barebow so i might aswell go all the way and get me some trad action 😂
Hello I’m new to your channel and I was wondering if you had other stores that sell heavy historical bows like that one and at a good price.
All mine for sale ship North America and Europe
Hi sir😊. Hmm after I watched your video on monarq warbow, I'm finally decided to get it (53" 70 lbs) from amazon😬
If you don't mind, may you suggest the suitable arrow for it?
I already have 500 spine, about 516 grains, while the tips are 150 grains. Is it suitable with that bow?
Hope you and others can help me...🙏
I suggest 300 spine
Hi jack, where do you shoot? Near by space science.
horses of the sun
Hmm, it seems like the big draw weight increase had a negligible effect on arrow speed for the Majesty.
arrow weight is much heavier, so more momentum
I think it's more, remember they started the moment they could shoot a bow at age 3-4, we start today way later with way weaker bows. We are nothing in comparison to human strength in relation with discipline and willpower back in ancient times. Kids with English bows started at 40-50 pounds, I'm sure warbows were 130-170 pounds easily regardless of what culture.
prehaps but certainly not after rifles became popular in korea
You do have to take available nutrition during the Era into account as well though.
when it's out of necessity willpower doesn't mean much
I'm struggling to get started; where in the absolute F□□k do you get arrows that will stand up to that?
Too bad a long drive from Toronto, I practice kyudo and Korean bow, want to learn proper form of Manchu bow.
This bow is a monster
Yo con mi Arquito hago 70 metros.
Cuántos metros arroja la flecha ese?
Con 250 grams aproximente 100 metros
@@HistoricalWeapons 100 metros. Valla . Geniall
You da man n8ce work i have a 65 its fun firing that thing too. Love to try double though lol.
why you use chinese characters for korean bow?
the korean alphabet is invented in 1443 but was not used much due to politics until the late 16th century. the Joseon military exams started before this time. they used chinese characters before this time.
Make sense
Very Cool!!
The website only has up to 95lb - how did you but a 130lb one?
Or is it 95 at a shorter draw?
i kept bugging him to make a custom one. LOL. he eventually agreed to make one for youtube
@@HistoricalWeapons ah - do you know what draw length the 95lbs is for?
@@vikingraider58 @30
What was the speed of the 3750 grain arrow?
I can’t tell if he is left-handed or if the camera is doing the weird mirror thing
I say this because either way the ball will work because it doesn’t have a shelf which means it can be used in either hand
I’m ambidextrous for horse archery
兄弟，你知道在哪里能订做大磅数的筋角弓吗？卢卡斯和格鲁泽都不做一百磅以上的筋角弓。
i dont have money for heavy horn bow. i shoot synthetic
What thumb ring are you using?
alibow brass
Where did you buy yours?
very nice draw and clean release. very impressive.
Thanks, how's the Korean translated subtitles lol
Google translate
@@HistoricalWeapons no translated subtitle at all.. just i know ur channel 6Y ago when lars appears so big.
@@HistoricalWeapons im back.
130파운드의 장력 33인치의 길리로 당겼을때 가장 무거운 조선의 전궁 (戰弓) 시험 (now)
>Historical Archery_130파운드 국궁 강궁 쏴봤습니다.(130# / 33"draw Korean traditional warbow shooting test) (suggest)
maybe its smoother script
@@3en6ql2h5j thanks which text do you want me to copy I don't read Korean
Carbon limbed traditional bow? Whoah, just found out about it today. Too bad, that aggressive branding isn't good.
Any bowyers who makes one at 90lbs? I'm upgrading my 80lbs solid fiberglass.
because 99% of "traditional" bows are made with some modern materials today from manufactuers. the market for pure horn bows are very very small
@@HistoricalWeapons I did not mention any hornbows. I was just admiring a carbon limb trad bow at that weight. Most carbon/laminate bows are below 60lbs.
We have a lot of options for heavyweight fiberglass, but those things shoot like...cheap bows.
Planned to purchase Monarq but...out of stock :(
Lmfao... bro... imagine u on a horse, and "oh yeah, oh yeah" all day head shotting zombie, I don't know why I just have that thing pop in my head, looool, it just funny as fuck.... ha ha ha... sheeeessshhh, what the fuck they put in this joint??....
nobody:
Jack Fang: Ohh YEAAHHH
Since Korean War is mostly revolved around siege warfare and defending chokepoints, these things raining down on enemy from above would punch through practically most armor they face in that era and region
Excellent video
Hi jack, can i know what your exercise is? You pull it like 75lbs. Teach me master sifu!
Hi I recommend elastic bands at the gym and pulling heavier bows
@@HistoricalWeapons thanks man!
삶과 죽음의 경계에서 전투중인 군인들의 마음 가짐은 달랐을 겁니다.. 초인적인 힘이 나올 수도 있겠죠.. 현대인들은 스포츠이고 당시 군인들에겐 생명줄이었겠죠..
Great video Nam-ye...I mean Jack lol
Really man this video is perfect good job
잘보고 갑니다 자막도 완벽하군요
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Great video
Glad you enjoyed it
I'll have to order one of those heavy waight Korean bows, looks fun
I have had a hard time finding info on ancient war bows. Specifically on preparation of a horn bow for battle.
One of the best was a paper was Manchu war bows, and an army group defending a city that would have archery contests. 80% could use a 100lb bow, 40% could do 130lb, 20% 170lb, and a few guys could shoot a champions bow 200lb. The paper also mentioned an official royal bow hunter had to be able to use a 130lb bow
The bow waights mostly match up with English longbows from the Mary rose ship, at around 100lb to 170lb. So it wouldn't be crazy to think ancient Korean archers would be shooting similar weight bows
this one is for sale 600 usd
@@HistoricalWeapons cool I'll take it off your hands
@@carlredbird3054contact me 6137002490
Ok, how to i buy one
That looked comfortable
Dude please!!!! Your vids r shown in the USA, we don't use the metric system! Can't u at least add on the distances in feet or yards as well as meters? Please?
hi its hard to satisfy both worlds, i also live in canada where we use both. i try to include both but sometimes i forget, sorry
@@HistoricalWeapons oh that's ok, I'm just frustrated cuz I never learned it, & it's not just u , EVERYONE seems to use it & I'm always like ugh! What the crap y'all r meaning lol, I really like your vids btw, & I absolutely love horse/war bows. Actually expecting my tartar bow tomorrow! I mostly shoot Mongolian & Turkish ones. Love em all.
@@gadonjohnson2100 no worries we have smartphones that convert it in a second
Korea has been famous for bows for thousands of years.
This is because all the countries of the Korean Peninsula were rooted in the northern nomadic peoples.
The Korean-Mongolian-Manchurian-Turkish peoples are all ethnic groups that diverged from similar roots thousands of years ago.
So Koreans,Mongols, Manchus, and Turks (Turks) have similar language systems.
The bows they use are the same as compound bows and horn bows.
However, Korea's bow culture has been largely forgotten since the appearance of the matchlock, and most of them disappeared due to the policy of annihilation of Korean traditional culture during Japanese colonial rule in the early 20th century.
did they use these on horseback?
Yes they did
wow, i'd never have assumed a bow that svelt would be 130#. nice.
Actually I'm gonna guess that the average archer bow is around 100lb, cuze I saw a video on mid century korean warbow(it's in korean) and they made a close replica that is in france. It was just around 1cm thinner in with and it was like 95lb from what I remember. And yes it was a horn bow that they recreated. Also, if you want to try and import it, I can link to you sites that makes bamboo and longbow linke bows in korea. Although, they are doing things without much record so it might not be 100percent accurate to history.
im glad my estimate is not that far off of 120-140
im sure some time periods are 100 or less, especially after reliable muskets were widely used
한국어 자막을 추가했습니다. 오른쪽 하단 모서리에 있는 버튼을 클릭합니다. 어떻게 생각하나요?
Oh I've been living in Canada for so long that english is more comfortable but tnx for letting me know. That is some dedication
I heard some of the stro ger bows could shoot up to 300metera
Holy SH.....t. What a monster combo. The arrows, trip to home depot 1" oak dowels please
If it hurts the archer, then it surely hurts the recipient!
Is Nicholas Tomihama alive?
I hope so I miss his videos
@@HistoricalWeapons hope so. also
정말 대단합니다. 저라면 몇센티 당기고 포기할 겁니다.
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good data
I absolutely love this
Awesome Power Brother , Tiger Balm time !
going viral soon
Nah
3:37 Its NOT pronounced “Jo-seyon,” but “Jo-sun” like the word “sun.”
thanks
People around me thought i was Watching porn cause of how much you said "Ohhhhhh"
For sale?
Yes 500 USD Canada and USA
legendary
hello from Vietnam
wow
Take a normal arrow, this arrow look's like a flying tree 😂
Very cool
You crazy for getting that draw weight at the beginning of the video. Hope u had a helmet on.
Arco forte muito bom.
Bows where used until the 20th century and crossbows where used in viatnam war and the chinesse army still use em but modern style crossbows. Also there was a person who protectet his home from robber whit a bow