With Thanks to RROx, here's the price per unit/price per car Lumber-$12 per unit/$72 per car Logs-$10 per unit/$60 per car Beams-$12 per unit/$36 per car Cordwood-$10 per unit/$80 per car Iron Ore-$14 per unit/$140 per car Raw Iron-$18 per unit/$54 per car Rails-$18 per unit/$180 per car Coal-$15 per unit/$150 per car Oil Barrels-$40 per unit/$1840 per car Steel Pipes-$20 per unit/$180 per car Tools-$20 per unit/$480 per car Crude Oil-$16 per unit/$192 per car
Neat. How do you make tools? Also, refined oil seems stupidly profitable. I assume it’s related, at least in part, to the difficulty in getting to the oil well and oil refinery?
@@magiccarpetmadeofsteel4564 Tools are made at the Ironworks, where you deliver Coal, Raw Iron and Lumber. And Refined oil fetches a pretty penny because it is a sought after commodity. Now, if the game were to implement usage of the refined oil for maintenance of the cranes in places like the Ironworks, Smelters, sawmill and logging camp, those industries would be paying a pretty penny for that to keep their machines goin
The telegraph offices are not transporters, but a way to check on other workers on the railroad. It's like having multiple people working at different locations that you can control. "Hyce is at the sawmill. Let's go see what Frank is doing at the smelter."
25:20 , Hyce's Coal Shortage Nightmare, "Throw ANYTHING on the fire" - I read somewhere that the engines on WWII ships could run on the used cooking grease from the galley. Basically, if it's liquid enough and can burn, they'll use it. Someone described Bunker C, AKA No. 6 Fuel Oil, as "just barely above asphalt."
Another cheat I figured out: you can use the telegraph stations while rerailing equipment. Use the rerail tool to pick up a car or engine, teleport to another location, and you can then place it on the track there.
I went up my 4% hill up with empty cordwood cars and the Class 48 for the first time the other day. Had no idea how much influence the grade was going to have, and it was going really really slow. I actually dropped my caboose when I was almost at the top, cause it felt like I wasn't going to make it. At the top of the hill I wanted to stop so I could ride the caboose back down to the yard. Turns out I had my engine brake on the entire time
I do single player, because my computer is a potato, so yeah...telegraph office is a much appreciated feature! Yeah, you generally can't otherwise run an entire railroad with just one guy... lol
Question for professor Hyce: What type of wood would be used in a wood burner? Would it be oak(30 million btu per cord), bodark (32 million btu per cord), or locus (28 million btu per cord), the three highest btu per cord woods. Or would it be just local wood? Edit: thank you everyone for the answer
It generally was local wood. Often railroads would pay landowners to stack cords of wood near the line for the crews to use. Of course higher quality wood was better, but quantity has a quality all its own haha.
Not Hyce, but it depends on the line, what is available, and the time period. Typically wood would be locally sourced as you would burn a ton of it. Not uncommon to have wood stops ever 30 miles to refuel, dependant on the line / engine /gauge.
Last night, I finished my iron mine alignment and got myself a Heisler! So far, I have Betsy, a Glenbrook, and a Heisler. Add-on: my girlfriend got me some lovely cabooses (cabeese?) For my model collection for Christmas.
As to industries switching industries, the power plant I worked at kinda did dual-function in that department. When coal unit trains came through, they rode a loop around the coal pile for unloading. Meanwhile, the plant itself owned and operated at least 2 diesels (one of which I know for a fact used to be a UP diesel by livery) for switching cars of anhydrous ammonia and limestone that the plant made as byproducts of the coal burning and exhaust filtration to fit EPA guidelines
I really hope in the future that larger fills will cost more money, so that the player, especially in the early game, will be encouraged (or forced) to build tracks that more conform with the terrain, and as such, won't have perfect 2% lines, etc.
As long as the cost part can be opted out of. I enjoy the more sandboxy approach to this game. Games that start nickel and diming every little thing become boring and annoying IMO. If there's a happy medium then fine, but I don't want to spend $5000 in game dollars every time I build a half a mile of track or rebuild a section of track. The ability to build a section of track completely before "committing" (paying) would be acceptable, I'd go completely broke every time I layed track because I'm always deleting and relaying. But each unto their own.
@@daniellewis1789 1000% Agree! I started placing Telegraph houses at specific points along a planned route as a way of letting me know i had to start a turn, or change my gradient. It sort of worked.. lol
Ahh, I know why that alternative coal was such a mess in your 491 at the museum! The coal you sourced had small amounts of Gilsonite mixed into it. Gilsonite is basically solidified crude oil, and is what the Uintah railroad was bringing down the mountain. When the mine was first found, they mistook it for coal and even tried to burn it in a steam locomotive… where it promptly melted in the firebox and plugged the flues and tubes as well as making a muck mess in the ash pan. It took a year to get the locomotive running properly again. “Greasy” coal is a seam of coal that also has bits of Gilsonite mixed in, meaning when the coal formed it was full of animals that got pressed into oil as the plant material was pressed into coal-which is what they’ve found in the lake at the base of Mt. Saint Helens where the needles, leaves, and bark of the trees blown in by the eruption have already turned into coal and the trunks have petrified vertically in the lake as well as fish caught in the disaster having already been fossilized or even turned into oil pockets (from pressure in the new coal seam) that occasionally bubbles up from the lakebed. It’s pretty incredible.
Hyce it’s funny you say your scared of running out of coal I remember this cartoon when I was young and there was no fireman and only an engineer. Well anyway he ran out of coal and started paying the passenger to give him anything that burned. Including the passenger cars walls and roof.
Running out of coal: I remember reading in Narrow Gauge Memories (in South Australia) of a train crew using Leigh Creek brown coal in the firebox of their T class engine. Leigh Creek coal has been described as “dirt that burns”. Anyway, the coal was not burning well and in desperation, the train crew stopped at every stack of old sleepers on the side of the track and loaded them on to the engine to limp on home. This was prior to the 1957 opening of replacement standard gauge line to the Leigh Creek coal field, the coal being used for power generation until 2017.
As hyce said most oil burners use heated bunker C in an oil burner, some locomotives in preservation use that, some such as grand canyon and US Sugar use recycled cooking oil. A lot of the hobby sized locomotives will use diesel or kerosene. The park trains built by Merrick light Equipment company do use an electric automotive diesel fuel pump to provide a consistent pressure as you run the tank down.
I always love how you can easily focus on the amazing music, and still easily focus on you guys actually talking. Make sure to thank your editor! And thank you for making music that fits my taste :)
@26:30 There are a few cases, especially on the SP mountain divisions where the oil tanks on the steam engine tenders were pressurized with Aux. compressed air to as much as 10 psi to maintain proper oil fuel flow on steep up-hill grades, where the loss in fuel head pressure might affect performance. If you ever stop by the California State Railroad Museum in Sacramento California, you can take a look at the tender of Cab-Forward 4294 and see the ways that the tender was configured to be pressurized.
There is ONE picture, floating somewhere around the internet, of a 4-8-4 Niagara with a broken rod. (Connecting rod, I think, though I might be wrong on the terminology). Holy hell, the tangled mess of Iron was insane. Yea, it's standard gauge, but whatev's)
25:00 Im just imagining a bunch of people standing on top of a train bucket line stile, desperately trying to get enough coal to the helper engine so that the train doesn't stop.
I now see how a new road engine would be a Christmas present to the CRAP. (Obviously the Porter didn’t get any coal in its stocking, but it did get a bottle or Creatine 😂)
sounds like bad Creosoting buildup from that coal. this can be countered by feeding sand into the Firebox and letting the Draft carry the sand through to tubes and fluepipes to clear the soot and Creosote. I don't suggest doing this near buildings or over passengers as you'll throw a HUGE cloud of Black Doom out the stack! getting drivers out of synch is usually a sign of big problems that often results in Hair, Teeth & Eyeballs spread along the Right of Way followed shortly thereafter by a good chunk of your Train!
I don't exactly know, because my spreadsheet hasn't been updated in a while, but what I have says that (per car), Iron Ore is $200, Lumber/Beams are $72, Raw Iron is $75, and Rails are $180. It's more bang for your buck to sell Iron Ore and just use the smelter products when necessary. Also Cordwood sells for $80.
Well, I guess the teleporters sort of let you simulate the actual scale of railroads, since in RO most servers have 1-5 players in them (16 max, but nobody has that many friends), rather than the 100s or 1000s that an actual one would have.
Not stealing coal, but I've read a story where the crew were extremely low on water. They pulled up to the water tower but there was a loco already under the tower. They noticed the loco was finished filling up so the driver sent the fireman to ask the other driver to move forward. The driver under the tower was being an a-hole (as these types seem to creep in the railway industry) and refused. So the driver said 'watch this' to the fireman and they couple up and shoved the other loco out the way - the other driver was obviously upset but they told him off.
I've been watching these in order for the last two weeks or so - really enjoying the series :) So I also got myself RO! this week and just built up to do wood and lumber, plus a nice little switching yard.. Once I could, I made the mistake of spending all my money on a Shay, thinking its nice and quirky...it's definitely the engine that can propel things fastest, if you want to propel them to the moon that is. Saved more money, got myself a Glenbrook and am just pleasantly surprised that in the next episode I watch you talk about getting one too :)
Well for your nightmare scenario though Hyce, you could pull a Factorio and feed the boiler nuclear fuel and not have to worry about coal :D Little Chernobyl in the firebox.
Conceivably you could also have an engine's valve gear get out of sync if its is extremely worn out. An 1/8" here and 1/8" there can add up. If an engine is at point you probably shouldn't be running it but that hasn't stopped some groups from trying
Over in the UK we are having some problems with coal and coal acquisition, since the war in Ukraine since most of our coal came from either Russia or Ukraine. Once upon a time we'd get some good old Welsh coal which was damn good stuff, but well...over time it was cheaper to import and then, of course, there was Madam Thatcher... There is some experimenting going on with substitute fuels, things like compressed Rapeseed oil, and anthracite ovoids, as well as imports from Colombia, although our extremely dry summer which meant that nearly every (if not all) preserved steam railways in the UK went to diesel running means that a lot of the trials are only just really getting under way, so time will tell.
For the whole teleptorting and modding, as a single player its almost impossible to kick shunt or doublehead / top & tail without RO extended, besides its a chill game to play why not enjoy quality of life enhancements? (compared to those who build a model railway and wont run anything for two days because thats what the "real" timetable says...)
I learned that you can push a bit beyond what the load calculators say, with betsy i was able to pull 4 cars of beams up to the iron mine on a constant 3% grade. Note: I play on realistic, hard only
I actually found a bug where you can select a locomotive, tender, or car with the rerail tool and then teleport to a telegraph office and be able to rerail it there. The indicator in the top left doesn't show up though, but you can still turn it around.
18:30 where kan talks about the Warp on every switch situation and while i play alone all the time i do EXACTLY that! xD its fun I even have Warps for my loading to warp to the loading and back to my locomotive when i have more than 8 cars and I love it it speeds up the slow pace you have because of that annoyingly long loading
about 30:22: if you guys made a switch to the right there, there is a long flat valley that heads straight south and comes out near the pass west of depot to the oil & ironworks be a great high speed run for Mosca or 2-8-0 should be enough room to make a big wye to come from smelter or depot
Hey Hyce and Kan: Check out the White Mountain Central Railroad in Vermont. It's at a place called Clarks Trading post. They run a Climax most of the time, but also have a Shay, a Heisler, a porter, a lot of the engines in the game. I went there every year as a kid, really cool place. They used to do big show once a year where they would bring out all their engines. Some cool videos of it floating around youtube. Anyway, just though it was cool to see Real Life Versions of the Game Engines only a couple hundred miles from me. Keep up the Great Videos, really enjoy watching! I actually use some of your track routing on my Chaos & Mayhem Railroad! Keep on railing and Roading!
I've started playing railroads online, and I've gained a whole lot of respect for @kANGaming for his ability to lay track, laying track in RO is hard to do
I don’t know very much but I don’t think you could have each side on a locomotive move independently in some situations like without needing a push or unless the other side is timed good enough because think of it like a bike if the peddles are straight up and down or in the locomotives case the drive rods being backwards or forwards without momentum it’s stuck so I think locomotives drive rods are set up how they are to prevent that from happening because if the right wheel connection point is at 3 on a clock then I think the left should be at 6 on a clock so the pistons and running gear never get stuck
I think a good way to improve warping would be that you have to go into a telegraph office and select your destination from there, not just the map. This was the first thing I attempted when I placed a telegraph office and trying to finger out what I do wrong.
(TL;DR at end) Random info about myself I have been in control of a train when It ran out of coal, I volunteered as a fireman but had qualifications to drive certain steamies This one day during the railway briefing we are told to steam up ALL steam engines for a ceremony at the end of the line Shit failed immediately W934 had a leak in one of her pipes and was taken out of service W22 had to be dead hauled by a diesel due to a similar issue I and another person were assigned SM1 'the coffee pot' If you've seen a picture of her you'd know she is tiny as hell and we only ran her as far as woolshed flats in revenue service I've steamed up the engine (again she is small so it took no time at all) and the boss says that I'd have to run SM1 by myself as far as Stirling North as the driver felt very weak and could not drive due to the risk of his health (I was quite literally the youngest as most other volunteers were in their late 60s) No problem i thought I'll just stock up on coal and she'll be right Wrong At woolshed flats there is a coal reserve for SM1 but it wasn't stocked up which I'd discover when I got there I looked at the coal and she was very much stocked for a full trip but I forgot the hills Woolshed flats is halfway down the line in the heart of the Flinders Ranges and it's mostly down hill from Quorn to woolshed but it climbed to pass over a bridge very quickly using up alot of coal and about 2km away from woolshed I had to dump the fire due to me running out of coal "Well shit" I said and sent the guard down the line to warn NM25 who was running behind due to steaming issues (again shit failed that day) and ask the driver to give us a push to Stirling north which he did TL;DR I suck at guessing how much coal I need to climb a grade Additional notes here is a link to a photo of said engine in 1906 commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:SAR_Steam_Motor_Coach_no_1,_1906_(SLSA_B_27771).jpg Also the ceremony I believe was the centenary of the trans Australian railway
I could imagine your dream of running out of coal reminds me of the ones I get as a trucker either trying to stop and got no brakes or realize I'm sleeping and jolt awake thinking I fell asleep at the wheel and grab for a steering wheel that's non existent
In regards to Hyce's coal nightmare and talk of bunker C, at least some of the heritage oil-burning steam locos here in Victoria legit run on used motor oil donated by a local mechanic which is..kind of thematic I guess.
Depending on if you and kan are playing in the new winter update i would recommend the new cooke 2-8-0 as it would for one fill the required rode engine role but also lead to many epic crashes and pissed in cups
*out of coal*..WHY am I having visions of the (somewhat silly) RR film "It Happened to Jane" where they run a New Haven 2-8-2 out of fuel as a plot point in the movie
warping is a hours of time saver for building through the mountains. i'm so happy to not have to walk back up the mountain anymore after falling from the km long bridges
im curious, how many more pre-recorded vids are left before the snow update, cuz i believe that the glenbrook was one of the engines that got a speed buff and a couple engines got their tractive effort adjusted(which im sure you are already aware of)
I'm somewhat surprised that the engines at the CoRM still burn coal. I would have expected that they would have been switched to a modern alternative fuel, like charcoal briquettes or something along those lines.
So if i understand that if an engine is missing its piston rod/ connecting rod it can lock up so in the thomas and friends episode "Edward's Exploit" edward wouldn't run well
The talk about "it burned coal" versus" it burned wood" would there be anything stopping a crew from hucking a few logs into an engine that otherwise runs on coal?
19:00 ish about the Telegraph-Posts How about you change nothing to it? Its a feature and you can chose to ignore it if you dont like it. But dont force addiction of inconvinience on others. I love the telegraph offices. I mostly play by myself and it helps a lot. Don't force me to do the whole savegame editing all the time to place telegraphs.... If it costs 100, 1000, 10000 bucks doesn't really matter. I will just spawn 100, 1000 or a million bucks with a handy savegame editor and spawn them out of thin air.... all you do is just force me to do an extra step. i'm glad the game got rid of the cost of tree removal... (edited some typos out... was typing on my phone at work the first time ;) )
I do like running the 0-6-0. Has a decent amount of tractive effort for its size. Out of curiosity, does Montezuma have a compressor? I’m curious since you never have it on, but also have no brakes. The 2-8-0 brakes work with the compressor on
Im kind of taki g a break from railroads online. I'm waiting on a fried to get the game so we can work together. Also I got the climax and when to push 5 cars of planks plus a caboose up a 6.5 degree grade and it just screeched to a halt so I had to go get the eureka and I pushed the train up the grade with no problem. Keep in mind I was pushing everything with the climax not pulling
That's cool you guy's have that historic coal source. It's also sad and hilarious the loco's turn they're nose up at anything that isn't from that mine. Steam engines just ooze personality dude. P.S. : Is there a place I can buy you're RO! soundtrack and support you directly? I tried to buy it off Steam but it's unavailable...
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With Thanks to RROx, here's the price per unit/price per car
Lumber-$12 per unit/$72 per car
Logs-$10 per unit/$60 per car
Beams-$12 per unit/$36 per car
Cordwood-$10 per unit/$80 per car
Iron Ore-$14 per unit/$140 per car
Raw Iron-$18 per unit/$54 per car
Rails-$18 per unit/$180 per car
Coal-$15 per unit/$150 per car
Oil Barrels-$40 per unit/$1840 per car
Steel Pipes-$20 per unit/$180 per car
Tools-$20 per unit/$480 per car
Crude Oil-$16 per unit/$192 per car
Neat. How do you make tools?
Also, refined oil seems stupidly profitable. I assume it’s related, at least in part, to the difficulty in getting to the oil well and oil refinery?
@@magiccarpetmadeofsteel4564 Tools are made at the Ironworks, where you deliver Coal, Raw Iron and Lumber. And Refined oil fetches a pretty penny because it is a sought after commodity.
Now, if the game were to implement usage of the refined oil for maintenance of the cranes in places like the Ironworks, Smelters, sawmill and logging camp, those industries would be paying a pretty penny for that to keep their machines goin
I remember when Betsy was the strongest loco in the game giving even the geared locos a run for their money
2 Betsy's was stronger and faster than anything else in the game
What about D&RG Class 70?
Same it was funny basicly the heslier it was stonk
before the update, Betsy was POWER
The telegraph offices are not transporters, but a way to check on other workers on the railroad. It's like having multiple people working at different locations that you can control. "Hyce is at the sawmill. Let's go see what Frank is doing at the smelter."
Betsy's power to weight ratio before that update was insane
25:20 , Hyce's Coal Shortage Nightmare, "Throw ANYTHING on the fire" - I read somewhere that the engines on WWII ships could run on the used cooking grease from the galley. Basically, if it's liquid enough and can burn, they'll use it. Someone described Bunker C, AKA No. 6 Fuel Oil, as "just barely above asphalt."
Another cheat I figured out: you can use the telegraph stations while rerailing equipment. Use the rerail tool to pick up a car or engine, teleport to another location, and you can then place it on the track there.
I went up my 4% hill up with empty cordwood cars and the Class 48 for the first time the other day. Had no idea how much influence the grade was going to have, and it was going really really slow. I actually dropped my caboose when I was almost at the top, cause it felt like I wasn't going to make it. At the top of the hill I wanted to stop so I could ride the caboose back down to the yard. Turns out I had my engine brake on the entire time
maybe a teleport is seems a bit op but you also dont run an entire railroad with two men so... i think its very apropriate
Yeah the game still has to be fun to play
I do single player, because my computer is a potato, so yeah...telegraph office is a much appreciated feature! Yeah, you generally can't otherwise run an entire railroad with just one guy... lol
Question for professor Hyce: What type of wood would be used in a wood burner? Would it be oak(30 million btu per cord), bodark (32 million btu per cord), or locus (28 million btu per cord), the three highest btu per cord woods. Or would it be just local wood?
Edit: thank you everyone for the answer
It generally was local wood. Often railroads would pay landowners to stack cords of wood near the line for the crews to use. Of course higher quality wood was better, but quantity has a quality all its own haha.
Not Hyce, but it depends on the line, what is available, and the time period. Typically wood would be locally sourced as you would burn a ton of it. Not uncommon to have wood stops ever 30 miles to refuel, dependant on the line / engine /gauge.
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Railroads would use whatever is around, especially narrow gauge.
Last night, I finished my iron mine alignment and got myself a Heisler!
So far, I have Betsy, a Glenbrook, and a Heisler.
Add-on: my girlfriend got me some lovely cabooses (cabeese?) For my model collection for Christmas.
Railroad history, logistics and mechanical engineering with Hyce and Kan, OH with railroads online in the background. Always a pleasure to watch.
This was most enjoyable from the discussion abut the intro to the unloading of the iron. Can't wait to see Kan's view.
As to industries switching industries, the power plant I worked at kinda did dual-function in that department. When coal unit trains came through, they rode a loop around the coal pile for unloading. Meanwhile, the plant itself owned and operated at least 2 diesels (one of which I know for a fact used to be a UP diesel by livery) for switching cars of anhydrous ammonia and limestone that the plant made as byproducts of the coal burning and exhaust filtration to fit EPA guidelines
I really hope in the future that larger fills will cost more money, so that the player, especially in the early game, will be encouraged (or forced) to build tracks that more conform with the terrain, and as such, won't have perfect 2% lines, etc.
As long as the cost part can be opted out of. I enjoy the more sandboxy approach to this game. Games that start nickel and diming every little thing become boring and annoying IMO. If there's a happy medium then fine, but I don't want to spend $5000 in game dollars every time I build a half a mile of track or rebuild a section of track. The ability to build a section of track completely before "committing" (paying) would be acceptable, I'd go completely broke every time I layed track because I'm always deleting and relaying. But each unto their own.
@@captainchaos6628 There absolutely needs to be a Survey Mode to place "ghost" planning track, whether or not there's a cost per track unit.
@@daniellewis1789 1000% Agree! I started placing Telegraph houses at specific points along a planned route as a way of letting me know i had to start a turn, or change my gradient. It sort of worked.. lol
@@captainchaos6628 Been doing this too, they are pretty easy to spot from a ways away, as long as you place them near straight runs of track
Fun fuel fact: Bunker C is what _BATTLESHIPS_ run on.
As it turns out, if it works to move one giant hunk of metal it works to move another one.
Ahh, I know why that alternative coal was such a mess in your 491 at the museum! The coal you sourced had small amounts of Gilsonite mixed into it. Gilsonite is basically solidified crude oil, and is what the Uintah railroad was bringing down the mountain. When the mine was first found, they mistook it for coal and even tried to burn it in a steam locomotive… where it promptly melted in the firebox and plugged the flues and tubes as well as making a muck mess in the ash pan. It took a year to get the locomotive running properly again. “Greasy” coal is a seam of coal that also has bits of Gilsonite mixed in, meaning when the coal formed it was full of animals that got pressed into oil as the plant material was pressed into coal-which is what they’ve found in the lake at the base of Mt. Saint Helens where the needles, leaves, and bark of the trees blown in by the eruption have already turned into coal and the trunks have petrified vertically in the lake as well as fish caught in the disaster having already been fossilized or even turned into oil pockets (from pressure in the new coal seam) that occasionally bubbles up from the lakebed. It’s pretty incredible.
Hyce it’s funny you say your scared of running out of coal
I remember this cartoon when I was young and there was no fireman and only an engineer. Well anyway he ran out of coal and started paying the passenger to give him anything that burned. Including the passenger cars walls and roof.
Running out of coal: I remember reading in Narrow Gauge Memories (in South Australia) of a train crew using Leigh Creek brown coal in the firebox of their T class engine. Leigh Creek coal has been described as “dirt that burns”. Anyway, the coal was not burning well and in desperation, the train crew stopped at every stack of old sleepers on the side of the track and loaded them on to the engine to limp on home.
This was prior to the 1957 opening of replacement standard gauge line to the Leigh Creek coal field, the coal being used for power generation until 2017.
As hyce said most oil burners use heated bunker C in an oil burner, some locomotives in preservation use that, some such as grand canyon and US Sugar use recycled cooking oil. A lot of the hobby sized locomotives will use diesel or kerosene. The park trains built by Merrick light Equipment company do use an electric automotive diesel fuel pump to provide a consistent pressure as you run the tank down.
I always love how you can easily focus on the amazing music, and still easily focus on you guys actually talking. Make sure to thank your editor! And thank you for making music that fits my taste :)
@26:30 There are a few cases, especially on the SP mountain divisions where the oil tanks on the steam engine tenders were pressurized with Aux. compressed air to as much as 10 psi to maintain proper oil fuel flow on steep up-hill grades, where the loss in fuel head pressure might affect performance. If you ever stop by the California State Railroad Museum in Sacramento California, you can take a look at the tender of Cab-Forward 4294 and see the ways that the tender was configured to be pressurized.
That's neat as hell!
There is ONE picture, floating somewhere around the internet, of a 4-8-4 Niagara with a broken rod. (Connecting rod, I think, though I might be wrong on the terminology).
Holy hell, the tangled mess of Iron was insane.
Yea, it's standard gauge, but whatev's)
"Can (The rods) ever fall out of sync?" *Parallel bars man*
25:00 Im just imagining a bunch of people standing on top of a train bucket line stile, desperately trying to get enough coal to the helper engine so that the train doesn't stop.
I now see how a new road engine would be a Christmas present to the CRAP. (Obviously the Porter didn’t get any coal in its stocking, but it did get a bottle or Creatine 😂)
sounds like bad Creosoting buildup from that coal. this can be countered by feeding sand into the Firebox and letting the Draft carry the sand through to tubes and fluepipes to clear the soot and Creosote.
I don't suggest doing this near buildings or over passengers as you'll throw a HUGE cloud of Black Doom out the stack!
getting drivers out of synch is usually a sign of big problems that often results in Hair, Teeth & Eyeballs spread along the Right of Way followed shortly thereafter by a good chunk of your Train!
I don't exactly know, because my spreadsheet hasn't been updated in a while, but what I have says that (per car), Iron Ore is $200, Lumber/Beams are $72, Raw Iron is $75, and Rails are $180. It's more bang for your buck to sell Iron Ore and just use the smelter products when necessary. Also Cordwood sells for $80.
Wowza
Well, I guess the teleporters sort of let you simulate the actual scale of railroads, since in RO most servers have 1-5 players in them (16 max, but nobody has that many friends), rather than the 100s or 1000s that an actual one would have.
Not stealing coal, but I've read a story where the crew were extremely low on water. They pulled up to the water tower but there was a loco already under the tower. They noticed the loco was finished filling up so the driver sent the fireman to ask the other driver to move forward.
The driver under the tower was being an a-hole (as these types seem to creep in the railway industry) and refused. So the driver said 'watch this' to the fireman and they couple up and shoved the other loco out the way - the other driver was obviously upset but they told him off.
6:46 "Clean out every single Tue and Flube"
I've been watching these in order for the last two weeks or so - really enjoying the series :) So I also got myself RO! this week and just built up to do wood and lumber, plus a nice little switching yard.. Once I could, I made the mistake of spending all my money on a Shay, thinking its nice and quirky...it's definitely the engine that can propel things fastest, if you want to propel them to the moon that is. Saved more money, got myself a Glenbrook and am just pleasantly surprised that in the next episode I watch you talk about getting one too :)
hyce your voice sounded a little off or is it your mic?
Compression in post.
Well for your nightmare scenario though Hyce, you could pull a Factorio and feed the boiler nuclear fuel and not have to worry about coal :D
Little Chernobyl in the firebox.
Conceivably you could also have an engine's valve gear get out of sync if its is extremely worn out. An 1/8" here and 1/8" there can add up. If an engine is at point you probably shouldn't be running it but that hasn't stopped some groups from trying
Over in the UK we are having some problems with coal and coal acquisition, since the war in Ukraine since most of our coal came from either Russia or Ukraine. Once upon a time we'd get some good old Welsh coal which was damn good stuff, but well...over time it was cheaper to import and then, of course, there was Madam Thatcher... There is some experimenting going on with substitute fuels, things like compressed Rapeseed oil, and anthracite ovoids, as well as imports from Colombia, although our extremely dry summer which meant that nearly every (if not all) preserved steam railways in the UK went to diesel running means that a lot of the trials are only just really getting under way, so time will tell.
You have some mighty toes, turning a turntable without even moving your leg.
Just the thing I needed after a rough Christmas, hope all is going well Hyce and can't wait to see what's to come :)
For the whole teleptorting and modding, as a single player its almost impossible to kick shunt or doublehead / top & tail without RO extended, besides its a chill game to play why not enjoy quality of life enhancements? (compared to those who build a model railway and wont run anything for two days because thats what the "real" timetable says...)
I like the reference to Unstoppable at 13:04
(it's a movie where there is an unstoppable runway; who would of guest)
I learned that you can push a bit beyond what the load calculators say, with betsy i was able to pull 4 cars of beams up to the iron mine on a constant 3% grade. Note: I play on realistic, hard only
I actually found a bug where you can select a locomotive, tender, or car with the rerail tool and then teleport to a telegraph office and be able to rerail it there. The indicator in the top left doesn't show up though, but you can still turn it around.
You can warp to a telegraph station with a loco. Just use the rerail function, warp to a location, and rerail your loco at the new location.
18:30 where kan talks about the Warp on every switch situation and while i play alone all the time i do EXACTLY that! xD its fun I even have Warps for my loading to warp to the loading and back to my locomotive when i have more than 8 cars and I love it it speeds up the slow pace you have because of that annoyingly long loading
about 30:22: if you guys made a switch to the right there, there is a long flat valley that heads straight south and comes out near the pass west of depot to the oil & ironworks
be a great high speed run for Mosca or 2-8-0
should be enough room to make a big wye to come from smelter or depot
"Money could be a useful limiter for telegraph offices" *laughs in money glitch*
Hey Hyce and Kan: Check out the White Mountain Central Railroad in Vermont. It's at a place called Clarks Trading post. They run a Climax most of the time, but also have a Shay, a Heisler, a porter, a lot of the engines in the game. I went there every year as a kid, really cool place. They used to do big show once a year where they would bring out all their engines. Some cool videos of it floating around youtube. Anyway, just though it was cool to see Real Life Versions of the Game Engines only a couple hundred miles from me. Keep up the Great Videos, really enjoy watching! I actually use some of your track routing on my Chaos & Mayhem Railroad! Keep on railing and Roading!
I've started playing railroads online, and I've gained a whole lot of respect for @kANGaming for his ability to lay track, laying track in RO is hard to do
I don’t know very much but I don’t think you could have each side on a locomotive move independently in some situations like without needing a push or unless the other side is timed good enough because think of it like a bike if the peddles are straight up and down or in the locomotives case the drive rods being backwards or forwards without momentum it’s stuck so I think locomotives drive rods are set up how they are to prevent that from happening because if the right wheel connection point is at 3 on a clock then I think the left should be at 6 on a clock so the pistons and running gear never get stuck
I think a good way to improve warping would be that you have to go into a telegraph office and select your destination from there, not just the map.
This was the first thing I attempted when I placed a telegraph office and trying to finger out what I do wrong.
I agree that this would make more sense
Another lovely episode!
Also 13:03 was that an unstoppable reference?
no it was a crazy eights reference (yes it was)
(TL;DR at end)
Random info about myself
I have been in control of a train when It ran out of coal,
I volunteered as a fireman but had qualifications to drive certain steamies
This one day during the railway briefing we are told to steam up ALL steam engines for a ceremony at the end of the line
Shit failed immediately
W934 had a leak in one of her pipes and was taken out of service
W22 had to be dead hauled by a diesel due to a similar issue
I and another person were assigned SM1 'the coffee pot'
If you've seen a picture of her you'd know she is tiny as hell and we only ran her as far as woolshed flats in revenue service
I've steamed up the engine (again she is small so it took no time at all) and the boss says that I'd have to run SM1 by myself as far as Stirling North as the driver felt very weak and could not drive due to the risk of his health (I was quite literally the youngest as most other volunteers were in their late 60s)
No problem i thought I'll just stock up on coal and she'll be right
Wrong
At woolshed flats there is a coal reserve for SM1 but it wasn't stocked up which I'd discover when I got there
I looked at the coal and she was very much stocked for a full trip but I forgot the hills
Woolshed flats is halfway down the line in the heart of the Flinders Ranges and it's mostly down hill from Quorn to woolshed but it climbed to pass over a bridge very quickly using up alot of coal and about 2km away from woolshed I had to dump the fire due to me running out of coal
"Well shit" I said and sent the guard down the line to warn NM25 who was running behind due to steaming issues (again shit failed that day) and ask the driver to give us a push to Stirling north which he did
TL;DR I suck at guessing how much coal I need to climb a grade
Additional notes
here is a link to a photo of said engine in 1906 commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:SAR_Steam_Motor_Coach_no_1,_1906_(SLSA_B_27771).jpg
Also the ceremony I believe was the centenary of the trans Australian railway
Mark: "kAN I thought we were friends! Come back!"
Minutes later
Mark: "oh we just made it. kAN go back to the smelter with Betsy"
I like to think of the Telegraph house as you just jumping into another guy that's at that location already. I'm just putting him to work. 😁
I could imagine your dream of running out of coal reminds me of the ones I get as a trucker either trying to stop and got no brakes or realize I'm sleeping and jolt awake thinking I fell asleep at the wheel and grab for a steering wheel that's non existent
$1900 is ALOT of money in the 1800's! I had to check for myself, but Brakemen (in Michigan) earned an average of $47.64 per month in 1885!!! WTF.
Having to wire the telegraph offices could give more industries - you need a wire drawing company, a copper refiner, and a copper mine.
troll physics turntable, Newton's rolling in his grave
In regards to Hyce's coal nightmare and talk of bunker C, at least some of the heritage oil-burning steam locos here in Victoria legit run on used motor oil donated by a local mechanic which is..kind of thematic I guess.
Depending on if you and kan are playing in the new winter update i would recommend the new cooke 2-8-0 as it would for one fill the required rode engine role but also lead to many epic crashes and pissed in cups
We have the ES&D
CRAP
And my railroad the S.H.I.T.
The Send Help, I’m Trying or The Send Help, I’m Two
You pick
Is no one gonna mention the possible new mic noises? It sounds great!
Same mic, but compressed heavily after.
*out of coal*..WHY am I having visions of the (somewhat silly) RR film "It Happened to Jane" where they run a New Haven 2-8-2 out of fuel as a plot point in the movie
This is why I got a Glenbrook as my first engine
that Porter is SO good looking....loving all the vids :)
Hello my good MEN hope you had a MERRY CHRISTMAS with all the strawberry milk!!!!!
“Special coal from the island of sodor!”
Aww such a short video today!
And kAN is secretly a mastermind of real time physics computing xD
warping is a hours of time saver for building through the mountains. i'm so happy to not have to walk back up the mountain anymore after falling from the km long bridges
Been waiting for this video to release can't wait to see what happens next on the C.R.A.P
love your videos hyce hope you had a merry Christmas
Another great video. I hope your weather isn't too bad over there
im curious, how many more pre-recorded vids are left before the snow update, cuz i believe that the glenbrook was one of the engines that got a speed buff and a couple engines got their tractive effort adjusted(which im sure you are already aware of)
Just one more.
06:45 tue and floob 😂😂
Welcome back to more RAIL Roads ON--LINE!!!
‘I fear no man, but that thing’ (no coal) ‘It scares me’
I'm somewhat surprised that the engines at the CoRM still burn coal. I would have expected that they would have been switched to a modern alternative fuel, like charcoal briquettes or something along those lines.
I both hate and love the new spline system
We very much care how Hyce is doing! Don't let kAn get you down, Hyce!
I don’t know why but I love the idea of being the banker/ shunter in this game just need to find a server that needs that
Just in time for a new Hyce video to watch before bed!
Bro Chills Litteral Chills btw can you name one of the locos after a thomas and friends train for the memes lol
So if i understand that if an engine is missing its piston rod/ connecting rod it can lock up so in the thomas and friends episode "Edward's Exploit" edward wouldn't run well
The talk about "it burned coal" versus" it burned wood" would there be anything stopping a crew from hucking a few logs into an engine that otherwise runs on coal?
I had some shunting sections on my map, but I got rid of it other than my main yard. Too much work for solo play.
Railroads online is awesome! Merry Christmas and did you get a new mic?
No haha
19:00 ish
about the Telegraph-Posts
How about you change nothing to it?
Its a feature and you can chose to ignore it if you dont like it.
But dont force addiction of inconvinience on others.
I love the telegraph offices. I mostly play by myself and it helps a lot.
Don't force me to do the whole savegame editing all the time to place telegraphs....
If it costs 100, 1000, 10000 bucks doesn't really matter.
I will just spawn 100, 1000 or a million bucks with a handy savegame editor and spawn them out of thin air.... all you do is just force me to do an extra step.
i'm glad the game got rid of the cost of tree removal...
(edited some typos out... was typing on my phone at work the first time ;) )
I bought this game because of you two and yeah I have no idea what I'm doing
6:45 "Every single Tue and Flube" lol
Also why does your voice sound so much louder?
get the Mogul, I have one thats pulling 8 fully loaded cars to the Iron mine at 4% grade
I do like running the 0-6-0. Has a decent amount of tractive effort for its size. Out of curiosity, does Montezuma have a compressor? I’m curious since you never have it on, but also have no brakes. The 2-8-0 brakes work with the compressor on
It does not... It works by magic. lol
For bunker C rigs there's usually also another preheater near the burner itself
Im kind of taki g a break from railroads online. I'm waiting on a fried to get the game so we can work together. Also I got the climax and when to push 5 cars of planks plus a caboose up a 6.5 degree grade and it just screeched to a halt so I had to go get the eureka and I pushed the train up the grade with no problem. Keep in mind I was pushing everything with the climax not pulling
Hyce what is the name of the song in your outro? I absolutely love it
"end of the line". It's an original, unreleased.
That's cool you guy's have that historic coal source. It's also sad and hilarious the loco's turn they're nose up at anything that isn't from that mine. Steam engines just ooze personality dude.
P.S. : Is there a place I can buy you're RO! soundtrack and support you directly? I tried to buy it off Steam but it's unavailable...
It's on Spotify, Amazon music, apple music, itunes, etc... Just search for me.
@@Hyce777 Perfect. Thanks man.
But kaaaaaAaaaAAaaAan why did you leeeEEEeeeeeave XD
Hey Hyce! i hear a sound diffrence in your voice? did you get a new mic?
Nope
You can change view distance in options
1:15 I do care how you are doing Hyce!
Try to re create the Colorado railroad museum
I pulled 20 flat cars full of pipes with the Montezuma on flat ground