It's TRUE: A-10s CAN BEAT F-22's in air combat. Here's why.

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  • Pictures of an A-10 sporting an F-22 marking on its fuselage have been circulating the internet for a few years now... but how could this low-and-slow ground pounder of an aircraft take down the reigning king of the skies?
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ความคิดเห็น • 576

  • @bryonslatten3147
    @bryonslatten3147 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +96

    F-22: You can't see me on radar.
    A-10: Ha. I don't even have radar.

    • @debasismohanty1952
      @debasismohanty1952 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      F22 raptor to a-10 kid focus on your studies 😂😂😂

    • @JZsBFF
      @JZsBFF 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@debasismohanty1952 What do you mean?

    • @debasismohanty1952
      @debasismohanty1952 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@JZsBFF means f22 raptor can destroy a-10 without facing any problems

    • @perryallan3524
      @perryallan3524 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      @@debasismohanty1952 Only if the missile works properly and hits the A-10.
      I once heard an A-10 Pilot say that if your missile misses that "you are now almost certainly mine - unless you run as fast as you can" He explained that he could outmaneuver any fighter jet out there and and have his nose on the other fighter faster than they could counter or evade if they persisted in the fight.

    • @JZsBFF
      @JZsBFF 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@debasismohanty1952 If I was a betting pup then I would follow your lead, but as the video explains, the exercises cover all kinds of scenarios. - In the margin I have this interesting anekdote: during WW2 on the Eastern front a German Tiger panzer shot down an Russian ground attack aircraft. The point is: Imagine the impossible, account for the improbable and you'll be ready for the virtual certainty. - From the other perspective: Assumption is the mother of all fuck ups.

  • @philsdronelyshots
    @philsdronelyshots 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +261

    Hey FYI the sound glitches out between 2:33 and 2:38.

    • @SmoochyRoo
      @SmoochyRoo 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +70

      classified

    • @edmondsmith4259
      @edmondsmith4259 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      🤣🤣🤣​@@SmoochyRoo

    • @shaunmitchell2069
      @shaunmitchell2069 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      You tube censorship. Now be a good boy and accept it because they know what's good for you better than you do.🤬

    • @Ryanowning
      @Ryanowning 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +38

      It's not a glitch, he was name dropping something that isn't public and probably removed the sound on his own accord to avoid major problems.

    • @buiItnotbought
      @buiItnotbought 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +33

      That's all i have to say about the war in viet-naam

  • @j.f.fisher5318
    @j.f.fisher5318 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +459

    Not using your advantage in speed is a bad idea. Not using your advantage in long range AAMs is a bad idea. Not using your advantage in sensors is a bad idea. But yeah if an F-22 pilot voluntarily gives all that up, sure a A-10 can win.

    • @thekraken1173
      @thekraken1173 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

      Reminds me of the fact that on multiple occasions Dougles A1 Skyraider CAS propplanes shot down mig 17 fighter jets

    • @spacecat7247
      @spacecat7247 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      We learned a long time ago that tech is not an end all be all or a garanteed win. Enter top gun training.

    • @AnimeSunglasses
      @AnimeSunglasses 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +55

      ​@@thekraken1173 I think this is the important part. We have high performance aircraft _voluntarily_ give up advantages in training, because _accidentally_ giving up advantages in combat has happened repeatedly in history.
      And when it happens again, we want OUR pilots to be the ones prepared to react best to it.

    • @LackofFaithify
      @LackofFaithify 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

      That's the entire point of every single joint exercise this or rolling boil that. The US Military puts on a blindfold, puts in the ear plugs, handcuffs itself to the toilet, and turns out the lights. Ring the bell.

    • @whyjnot420
      @whyjnot420 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

      @@AnimeSunglasses Not to mention we envision situations where the enemy is more capable than we give them credit for being (and likely more capable than they are in reality) because underestimating an opponent is always a bad idea.
      If you train to beat a heavyweight world champion in boxing and then your opponent is a middleweight amateur who has only trained to fight others like himself, which one is more likely to win?

  • @MikeB-ig5eq
    @MikeB-ig5eq 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +69

    Alex- as a 2,000 hour Warthog pilot, I would like to tell you that you absolutely nailed it! That was an excellent analysis and very accurate. I tell people that I would turn and fight, or if I have time, dive for the ground and dare them to come down with me. I went nose to nose with an F-16 once who tried to lock an AIM-9 on me. That doesn’t work with a HOG; the engines are cooler and I was down sun. I locked him up with mine, though. Score one for the HOG! Mike “Mustang”

    • @99PMoon
      @99PMoon 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      As a retired M1 crewmember. If an A10 pilot is on post. He drinks for free.
      He might regret it though, LOL.

    • @malkierie
      @malkierie 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      And that's what Ive understood as A-10 air combat doctrine. Pull them into your briar patch so to speak and fight to the A-10's strengths. Use that armor, GAU-8 & your own A2A missiles. Last I checked A-10 was designed to fly after a direct missile hit to an engine so also designed to take more of a beating vs air superiority fighter

  • @justinsellers9402
    @justinsellers9402 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

    I bet that F22 pilot had to buy a few beers after that.

  • @Hitomiogamiito
    @Hitomiogamiito 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +43

    oh no, dont let the kid hear that. He's been waiting for someone to intercept him! (shout out to you habitual Linecrosser)

    • @JIKwood
      @JIKwood 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The kid would be incredibly upset.

  • @Hardball1Alpha
    @Hardball1Alpha 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    Circa 1991, I was the Sensor Operator in the backseat of an S-3A Viking... and we were on an Air Combat Maneuvering(ACM) hop out of North Island. Pilot was the Commander of Air Wing 2, Captain "Rabbit" Campbell. Out in the So Cal Op Area, Rabbit had an F-14 Tomcat totally locked up off our nose. As everyone knows, the Viking had no offensive weapons, but it sure was a cool sight to see that Tomcat on our nose trying to out turn us. Fun times.

    • @Hardball1Alpha
      @Hardball1Alpha 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      More accurately, no forward firing anti-aircraft munitions... But maybe a hot Viking pilot could take out an opposing aircraft with a Harpoon anti-ship missile.

    • @casematecardinal
      @casematecardinal 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      ​@@Hardball1Alpha swatting flies with bullets

  • @whyjnot420
    @whyjnot420 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +34

    With respect I think the explanation at the end regarding why we hear about F-22 or F-35 losing in mock battles is only half the story. The other half is the level of transparency we have in the west. Places like russia or china cannot ever allow themselves to be seen to be wrong or do bad. Or to be simply perceived as such. Even in tests.

  • @pogo1140
    @pogo1140 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +123

    In one exercise an F-22 pilot saw a flight of C-130's down in the weeds.
    The F-22 pilot dove to get the easy kill.
    He did not see the A-10 that was trailing the C-130, who promptly killed it

    • @Ariccio123
      @Ariccio123 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Why did he dive
      He was flying a missile truck

    • @cruisinguy6024
      @cruisinguy6024 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

      @@Ariccio123ROE might have required visual identification, or the f22 was Winchester, or perhaps it was a guns only exercise

    • @Ariccio123
      @Ariccio123 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@cruisinguy6024 ah, well, one thing the f-35 has over everybody else, that kickass DAS can visually identify things from crazy far away

    • @cockatoofan
      @cockatoofan 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      ​@@Ariccio123an infrared image isn't going to cover the rules of engagement in most of anywhere. And if it did then IFF would certainly also be enough. Identifying just the type of aircraft isn't enough because multiple countries operate the same types.

    • @NickSteffen
      @NickSteffen 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@cockatoofan This is one area where “drone wingmen” can be a big assistance. They can help make that visual identification and show the image to the pilot. That said, in early high intensity conflict roe will likely allow for engagement without visual identification, which is the military’s main planning target right now.
      Obviously the extended high intensity conflict in Vietnam’s provides a counter point. But in that type of environment drones can be a huge help.
      In desert storm RoE required two forms of electronic identification to not require visual identification, this could be something like a NCTR radar identifier and a thermal signature. It could also use various forms of IFF detection. (Having your detectors figure out how to abuse the enemies IFF to identify them has been a bit of a cat and mouse game.) The f35 and f22 are drowning in additional sensors that could do this.

  • @bigmack612000
    @bigmack612000 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

    Many years ago, I was reading an article in a TAC Attack magazine,(yes ,I'm old), The article was discussing Janes rating of fighters, they gave an Honorable mention to the A-10. The reasoning was that while not a fighter, if you found yourself on the wrong end of that 30mm, you were going to have a very bad day.

    • @metatechnologist
      @metatechnologist 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Interesting times. I remember Pop Mechanics covering the latest military hardware on their cover. There's hardware now that we could never dream about back then!

    • @tmike_tc
      @tmike_tc 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      That and they can maneuver around in space of half a football field. It’s incredible.

    • @anthonykaiser974
      @anthonykaiser974 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Yep. Super maneuverbility plus longer gun range with a more destructive round. Mess with the Hawg, you get the tusks.

  • @petesheppard1709
    @petesheppard1709 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I once saw a comment by a fighter pilot that he watched an A-10 reverse course on him INSIDE the circle of his gunsight. Even at an extended range, that is really good turn capability!!

    • @Vagabondobiondo
      @Vagabondobiondo 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      F-22: "I have you now"
      A-10: "no u"

    • @petesheppard1709
      @petesheppard1709 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Vagabondobiondo Yep. Even if the fast jet gets a missile off, the Hog would have time to get in a killing burst.

  • @silverjohn6037
    @silverjohn6037 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +218

    If a musketeer get's close to a knight in full armor carrying a poll-axe he's not going to have a good day. He stays back and shoots the knight from a distance the knight is not going to have a good day. It's all about context.

    • @factChecker01
      @factChecker01 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      Good analogy. In addition to that, F-22s are sometimes used in training dogfights without dropping their external fuel tanks. That is a real handicap.

    • @trplankowner3323
      @trplankowner3323 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Haven't seen much heavy plate armor, have you? I doubt you've ever fired a musket either. Even the famous Brown Bess would be lucky to hit a man-sized target at greater than 10 yards. (There's a reason people coined the term "can't hit the broad side of a barn") Many plate armor cuirasses exist that still show the armorer's proof mark, where he fired a musket or pistol into the plate a point-blank range to demonstrate his armor was of good quality and would stop a musket ball. Furthermore, chainmail would often stop a musket ball as well.
      However, while your example is flawed, your point is well taken! There are a great many very maneuverable jets and even turboprops that can defeat an F-22 IF the Raptor is put in a bad position.
      The likelihood of that situation ever happening in actual combat is so minutely greater than zero as to be undeterminable, IMHO.

    • @silverjohn6037
      @silverjohn6037 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@trplankowner3323 Please take this in the spirit which it's offered but I'm thinking you may have got a bad source for some of your information;). Modern re-enactors using replica muskets are easily able to hit chest sized targets at 50-60 yards and man sized targets out to 100 yards. I'll link to just one video below. The portion about accuracy kicks in at around the 3 minute mark.
      The breastplates with the proof marks you mentioned were also being proofed against pistol fire not musket fire as they were meant for cavalry use. It's the reason breastplates fell out of favor but muskets survived for another hundred plus years.
      Of course, in the analogy I was using, the musketeers would still be using the old matchlock guns. Those were heavier caliber than the Brown Bess so they would unquestionably have been able to punch through a breastplate. Their accuracy and rate of fire wasn't that great though and, as it was before the bayonet was developed, the musketeers carried rapiers and arming swords for close combat or assaults into the forts of their time. Basically the era of the Vauban style star forts.
      In any case please don't take this as a criticism as you're repeating widely held views which you've probably been told by someone you trusted or a website that seemed credible. It's just best to look into some of these widely accepted truths as the first step is always going to be knowing enough to know how little you know;).
      th-cam.com/video/R2bNV9e17Ko/w-d-xo.html

    • @trplankowner3323
      @trplankowner3323 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@silverjohn6037 Those re-enactors are using weapons of a quality that could not be had during the Renaissance. That sort of quality couldn't be found until the second industrial revolution. By then most firearms had moved on from muzzle loading to cartridges. It wasn't the penetrating power of firearms that did away with the wearing of armor (today's combatants are beginning to use an ever increasing amount of body armor), it was the economics of weapons, armor and supply. Officers and other leaders often wore personal armor well into the Nineteenth Century. That armor had less use as the number of troops armed with firearms around them increased. Those economic factors are what lead to the Imjin War. Japan's inability to sustain that economic factor due to Korean naval superiority led to their eventual defeat / withdrawal from Korea.
      Muskets, whether matchlock or flintlock, were cheap compared to the cost of plate armor hand made by a master armorer. Just as longbows were cheap compared to a well made sword, ax or polearm only a century or two before.

    • @Coinz8
      @Coinz8 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Chainmail, stopping a musket ball? LOL I call bullshit on that! Even if the chainmail successfully stopped the ball, the kinetic energy from the ball would still cause immense internal damage. @@trplankowner3323

  • @chrisoverbey5937
    @chrisoverbey5937 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +225

    Sandbox: A-10 can shoot down a F-22
    China: Begins building A-10s 😁

    • @Benson_aka_devils_advocate_88
      @Benson_aka_devils_advocate_88 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

      If you've ever heard the expression "Tofu-Dreg" then you'll understand why I'm not worried about *_"new"_* Chinese technology. Sure, on paper the jets are a formidable opponent. But once they are used in actual combat scenarios those "formidable" jets will turn out to be as solid a platform as Chinese skyscrapers, bridges, dams and everything else that they build.
      Just as we are seeing with russian equipment, the corruption that is so rampant and prevalent among all chinese endeavors has degraded all hopes of having reliable kit. What looks scary during a PowerPoint presentation is in reality just a way for select chinese officials to sequester large sums of money.

    • @mmancino1982
      @mmancino1982 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      true but it's always good to train under the assumption that the tech is as good or better then what you're fielding

    • @barryelverson9486
      @barryelverson9486 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Be the innovator or be the copycat and make poor imitations. Lead or be led.
      Russia and China have a long history or just copying. But some of those copies are pretty good.

    • @trplankowner3323
      @trplankowner3323 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@barryelverson9486 China has a reputation for copying, not so much Russia. They prefer to do things their way and mostly resort to copying when they can't think anything better. However, lately neither have done much in the way of innovation.

    • @trplankowner3323
      @trplankowner3323 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Benson_aka_devils_advocate_88 "on paper the jets are a formidable opponent", not really. If I were an F-22 or F-35 pilot I wouldn't be the slightest concerned with the J-20. It has subpar engines, stealth about as good as the B-1B and is armed with missiles equivalent to the Roman candles I buy from the fireworks shop.

  • @shinigamimiroku3723
    @shinigamimiroku3723 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Having heard many stories of air combat over the decades, I'd like to say I'm pretty sure that "Situational Awareness" is the single biggest key in determining whether you survive an enemy encounter or not... So, honestly, I'm not surprised that a Thunderbolt II has a Raptor kill.

  • @jamesharper7661
    @jamesharper7661 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    So true! Many pilots that were shot down in history and survived have said: "I never saw it coming." Situational awareness is most important. The A10 is most likely the best ground attack aircraft in history. Whatever it shoots at is in mortal danger!

  • @angelosasso1653
    @angelosasso1653 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    I saw them flying over Ramstein when I was a kid and I was really impressed by their turn radius. A-10´s are quite agile for what they look like.

    • @mmancino1982
      @mmancino1982 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      It's that massive straight wing with high lift and slow speed. Such a cool plane

    • @BoraHorzaGobuchul
      @BoraHorzaGobuchul 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Slower planes generally turn better. Take warbirds, most of them will easily outturn modern aircraft. If you do flight sims, you can see for yourself how hard it is to fight a WW2 aircraft while flying a modern fighter, particularly with cannon.

    • @CorePathway
      @CorePathway 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      First time I saw an A-10 it was BELOW me. We were on a terrain walk in West Germany, on several hundred feet of elevation.

    • @tmike_tc
      @tmike_tc 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      A-10s can maneuver in the space above half a football field!
      Until you’re out of either fuel or ammunition.

    • @angelosasso1653
      @angelosasso1653 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@CorePathway Probably close to Ramstein-Miesenbach I think...

  • @timgolby8556
    @timgolby8556 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    When l was kid in the 80s playing starwars in the Norfolk uk countryside these were our ti fighters
    Happy days😁

  • @shannonmcstormy5021
    @shannonmcstormy5021 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Excellent explanation of a slightly complicated situation. I recently learned about how a F-117 Nighthawk was shot down by a SAM during the Kosovo war. It was a very specific situation where the enemy took advantage of the F-117 having to open their bay doors to drop a bomb, plus excellent intelligence about where the F-117 would be coming from. The explanation gave a lot more context, as the above video did. Quirky ending is that the pilot who was shot down and the officer who used the SAM to do so, are now lifelong friends as are their families. In any event, I wish we (America) could have more of these kinds of helpful, calm discussions with real information, enabling us to rationally come up with possible solutions to complex problems.

  • @jamiekirkland2474
    @jamiekirkland2474 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    Great video! Back in the day, the F14 and F15 got "kills" on the SR-71. But only after more advanced SR-71 capabilities were barred from use and other severe disadvantages were put on the Blackbird. Any plane can shoot down any other plane if the right set of circumstances arise.

  • @Dejavuproned8
    @Dejavuproned8 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    You really love those spicy meatball headlines 😉

  • @ulfpe
    @ulfpe 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    I recall exercises in the 80ties when old Swedish attack birds where used as oppfor and they could win.. possibly as they where piloted by very experinend pilots and the fighter pilots where tired after a few days simulated war.

    • @silverjohn6037
      @silverjohn6037 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      American A-10 pilots are usually able to stay in the pilot's seat a lot longer than fighter pilots. The g-forces aren't as hard on the body long term and a lot of the A-10 squadrons are reserve units so the up or out promotion cycle for the reg force isn't as big a deal.

    • @brendanh8978
      @brendanh8978 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      At least once in Vietnam, an A1 skyraider shot down a MIG with its cannons. Think it was a head-on closure situation where the MIG didn't respect the guns.
      On the mission where Leo Thorsness earned the MOH, a couple of A1s got bounced by MIG 15s. One got shot down, but the other stayed alive until Leo arrived to take the heat off by staying low and turning hard. If it had sidewinders, especially the ones we have today, it could have made the MIGs pay a price.

  • @galexymitzelplik9560
    @galexymitzelplik9560 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    "iiii'mmm Alex Hollings...and THIS is AIRPOWER!!!!! FTW!

  • @lyfandeth
    @lyfandeth 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +72

    As Sun Tzu might have said, in a fair fight you have lost.

    • @killman369547
      @killman369547 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      I prefer the phrase "If you find yourself in a fair fight you did... several things wrong."

    • @kennethng8346
      @kennethng8346 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The winner will know when to fight and when not to fight (paraphrase).

  • @kodibekker5494
    @kodibekker5494 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    good to see you feeling better

  • @johnfranklin6394
    @johnfranklin6394 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I have always had a soft spot for the A-10 since being a kid growing up in rural England in the 1980s. One day I was walking back home from my school bus stop when I heard a roaring noise and looked up to see an A-10 flying overhead from right to left while making a slow turn. A sight I will never forget. Cold War days, when seeing various war planes overhead was not that uncommon.
    On a tangent, did anyone else have a gap in sound from around 2:32 to 2:37?

  • @nathanielwhite8769
    @nathanielwhite8769 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Excellent video Alex, as always great context, explained through a great depth of knowledge, Cheers.👍

  • @pju28
    @pju28 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    As always is a great pleasure to watch your videos. Thanks for your effort and information you put on this video! Keep on it! Greetings from Austria 🇦🇹

  • @mitchwagner2693
    @mitchwagner2693 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    There's a weird audio gap around 2:35. Love your videos.

    • @ARandomCustodian
      @ARandomCustodian 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      I think that was a Redaction and not a glitch.

    • @mitchwagner2693
      @mitchwagner2693 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ARandomCustodian You're probably right, it did seem intentional. I figured I'd comment just in case it was something to do with my browser choice.

    • @mitchwagner2693
      @mitchwagner2693 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ARandomCustodian you're probably right, it did seem like an edited jump vs technical error.

  • @poowg2657
    @poowg2657 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    The same way an A-1 Skyraider downed a MIG-17 in Vietnam.

    • @imbetterthanyouis
      @imbetterthanyouis 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      RAN sea fury killed a mig 15 in korea

  • @iamfritz
    @iamfritz 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    In Desert Storm the funny thing is, they just hung the AIM-9s on the A-10, checked if the pilot could hear a tone from it, and launched them. They never actually fired one in testing. That's why the two A-A kills stories both start with the AIM-9 not working. They required additional software.
    After ODS they actually did some testing and got the A-10 to fire the -9 and hit a hot target.

  • @btaylor9788
    @btaylor9788 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Now that is a video I like short to the point and informative.

  • @justsayen2024
    @justsayen2024 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    In the eighties when I was in Germany I saw flash above my head and it was an A-10 it quickly banked right straight down a canyon then much to my surprise an F4 at low altitude buckled my knees and I drop like a sack of potatoes.
    (Phantoms are f- ing loud as F)
    The maneuverability of an A-10 is absolutely astounding and in mountainous Terrain very elusive.
    (Oh and quiet)

  • @mikepekarek5895
    @mikepekarek5895 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    That huge straight wing will likely give amazing turn performance it it isn't heavy.

  • @themollerz
    @themollerz 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Dude really good seeing your channel grow. You throw down excellent content every time.

  • @scottbrower9052
    @scottbrower9052 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Those big, fat, thick Hershey bar wings definitely confer certain advantages.

  • @Yossi152
    @Yossi152 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    At 2:33 your audio abruptly cuts out and returns at 2:38. Love the channel.

    • @proxy3386
      @proxy3386 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      From what I heard on another comment surrounding this, the replies of said comment said that it was something classified / non-public information and that Alex probably removed it of his own accord.

  • @xt7519
    @xt7519 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This is something that needs more attention. A lot of people hear that great fighter X lost to less capable aircraft Y and that means we should be buying Y since it's a lot cheaper, or it's the Military Industrial Complex and Big Ammo along with the top brass on the take, and if only we'd build more of this we'd all be better off. The key point is that if you only train in situations where you always win, then...well, you are most air forces in the world for one thing. But the other thing is that neither the pilots in that situation learn anything nor are they prepared mentally for a situation where they are at an advantage or disadvantage. Training so you always win (or always lose) is just an ego exercise and a waste of fuel and pilot stick time.

  • @markbrisec3972
    @markbrisec3972 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    That's it.. Cancel the NGAD, retire the Raptor, stop buying the F-35s and let's build 10 000 A-10s... That's the future. Pierre Spray was right, right?

    • @shyneus9773
      @shyneus9773 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Absolutely. Upgrade the A-10 too. It's too heavy as it is. It needs less wing pylons, scrap the titanium cockpit armour, ejection seat out. Targeting pod? What the fuck is a targeting pod???

    • @bigadult8356
      @bigadult8356 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      F-22s are much more maneuverable and they can easily outrun the A-10.

  • @user-uu3mq1ot9g
    @user-uu3mq1ot9g 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    great stuff man

  • @darkwinter7395
    @darkwinter7395 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    A knife fight in a phone booth.... except instead of a knife, you've got a chainsaw.

  • @nicholasmaude6906
    @nicholasmaude6906 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    IIRC the A-10 and the AH-64 make for a deadly duo.

  • @Kneedragon1962
    @Kneedragon1962 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you, Alex. Very well put.

  • @mr_beezlebub3985
    @mr_beezlebub3985 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Training against unusual adversaries helps keep our pilots sharp. This is part of why our Air Force is top notch!

  • @antarashnia84
    @antarashnia84 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +38

    The military also utilizes the Apache to shoot down jets in training

    • @phasor50
      @phasor50 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Didn't this happen IRL in one of the Gulf wars?

    • @antarashnia84
      @antarashnia84 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@phasor50 there was a few in the Vietnam war and some in the Iraq Iran War.

    • @Fieryconviction
      @Fieryconviction 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@antarashnia84wouldn’t u mean AH-1 Cobras in Vietnam? Vietnam was too early for Apaches to exist

    • @antarashnia84
      @antarashnia84 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Fieryconviction yes I was just referring to when helicopters have shot down jets

  • @THE-X-Force
    @THE-X-Force 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Did the audio cut out for anyone else at 2:33 ?

  • @Nathan-vt1jz
    @Nathan-vt1jz 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    That closing statement was fire 🔥
    “The reason you heard about those stories at all, is even with the deck stacked against, it the F22 still almost always comes out on top and when it doesn’t it’s headline news, because anomalies make for good headlines.”
    You are a fantastic military aviation journalist, thanks for all your hard work!

  • @bmpixy
    @bmpixy 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I wonder how many A-10 kill markers would be on the sides of F-22s if they didn't have to worry about messing up the stealth coating.

  • @melkeister307
    @melkeister307 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I met a retired soviet fighter instructor while attending CR England training school in Cedarhill Tx. He said pilots were told not to engage the A-10 below 10,000 feet . They would be outturned and outgunned . He flew the mig 25 foxbat , mig 21, mig 29 fulcrum,. Class of 2016.

  • @educatedoaf
    @educatedoaf 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    One of the reason the F22 doesn't win in air combat engagements is that the pilot isn't permitted to stress the airframe, were as a Swedish pilot can do 9g+ and flies an aircraft that has airframes in production, an f22 can't be replaced if it overstresses one times too many.

  • @steveshoemaker6347
    @steveshoemaker6347 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thanks Alex🇺🇸

  • @leifsoderman5065
    @leifsoderman5065 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thanks Alex

  • @mbmann3892
    @mbmann3892 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Isn't their video of this incident? I believe their was a cockpit cam of the F-22

  • @customconnections2425
    @customconnections2425 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    2:38 Okay, I didn’t just suddenly go deaf. Whew😮‍💨‼️

  • @ARGONUAT
    @ARGONUAT 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Great piece on what was clearly a great training exercise, as usual for the US military. Better to “die” in a training exercise than in real life war.

  • @BeachriderUSA
    @BeachriderUSA 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Air defense, on a battlefield, has an important piece that can “get” slow flying CAS. Since CAS is usually two infantries (plus armor) engaged, SOME of those soldiers will have Javelin-like missiles. A-10 doesn’t have enough armor for those. Tanks don’t have enough armor for those, either…

    • @mekboy7403
      @mekboy7403 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Javelins and some other ATGMs can target aircraft but most are way too slow to hit anything faster than helicopters

  • @bruticusf22
    @bruticusf22 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Good video. Thanks for clearing things up. Sometimes these things are misleading.

  • @fernAb
    @fernAb 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The new f22 raptor is awesome it has some of the NGAD Components now. It would be interesting to see how it does nowadays

  • @joshuajuarez3471
    @joshuajuarez3471 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very well said

  • @RobertLBarnard
    @RobertLBarnard 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Maybe the A-10 should have been called the Honey Badger. Those little things are nasty, nasty, nasty. There are a few bear who learnt the wrong way to give those things a wide birth, they're always in a bad mood and ready to share it.

  • @hardheadjarhead
    @hardheadjarhead 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Was there a sound glitch in there? Or did you have to edit something out? About three seconds of silence…

    • @LackofFaithify
      @LackofFaithify 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      If he tells you....

  • @Azframer
    @Azframer 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    If it was a BVR fight the A-10 gets smoked.
    Fight on in VR the A-10 while min-ranging the missiles an A-10 can beat the F-22. The A-10 can out rate the F-22 if the stars are aligned just right.

    • @soulessshadow5356
      @soulessshadow5356 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I mean that's just obvious lol. Warthog isn't designed in any way to be in a BVR fight, and even the weakest jets in the skies would make mince meat out of it from BVR.

    • @verdebusterAP
      @verdebusterAP 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      How about no
      The USAF didnt add the AIM-9X to the A-10, it can only use AIM-9M
      AIM-9M very low chances again an F-22

    • @mattadams7922
      @mattadams7922 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@verdebusterAPincorrect but it's ok.
      Aim 9 m can definitely tally ho any jet in the sky. It can track the heat off the F22 just fine especially from behind it's not even a question.

    • @Azframer
      @Azframer 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@verdebusterAP you are forgetting about the 30mm in the nose. I've seen the A-10 with a F-22 kill painted on it. Granted it was an electronic kill, it did happen.

    • @Azframer
      @Azframer 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@verdebusterAP another known fact now that I know it was the demo team A-10 that got the kill. The demo team setup is different than the other Hogs. When the Demo Hogs do max deflection with their ailerons their spoilers deploy giving them a higher roll rate. The part of the aileron that is in the airflow is up higher, the other side is flush with the wing.

  • @jssomewhere6740
    @jssomewhere6740 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Never heard of this with the 22. I have heard of the Wart Hogs taking down 16s, and 18s.
    They are dam good ole planes.

  • @jeffi854
    @jeffi854 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Yeah, you’d be very wise to respect that 30 mm cannon sticking out the nose of that airframe.

  • @PaulGAckerman
    @PaulGAckerman 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I've only seen the intro so far so I'm going to guess it was a gun kill. Stealth is great but you can't use flares or chaff against bullets and the A-10 spits spicy cans of Red Bull.
    (edited to correct a typo)

  • @mattguey-lee4845
    @mattguey-lee4845 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I wouldn't want to be on the wrong end of the 30mm Gatling. I also wouldn't want to be on the wrong end of the AC-130.

  • @mikedonovan4434
    @mikedonovan4434 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The platform does not win or lose; the various weapon systems and effective use by the pilot determines the wins.

  • @heinedenmark
    @heinedenmark 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Seen A10 taking of from Bagram, many times.
    As soon as they are airborne, they can maneuver. Very nimble. And a good friend to have in the sky.
    But a effective combination of drones, attack helicopters and high flying jets of all sizes(F16 - B1B), meant they weren't used much.
    Because of the risk of collateral damage. There were some unfortunate incidents in Iraq with A10s.
    But.. They might do some good in Ukraine!?

  • @dr.pepper6688
    @dr.pepper6688 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I really enjoy your work. Would it be possible to do a video on Turkey’s new fighter plane?

  • @user-mp9rd4hg8b
    @user-mp9rd4hg8b 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What's with the silence at 2:30 while talking about the sidewinder? Is that how the A-10 took out the F-22, but you can't say it?

  • @kilohotel6750
    @kilohotel6750 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I always wondered in exercise where a F22 is going up against a A10 does the F22 pilot know they are going to face off with the A10 or are they just told to go to this area and find out?

  • @TrackstarBR
    @TrackstarBR 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I could definitely see an a10 being very deadly in a mountain and canyons environment where it could use the terrain to make it more of a gun fight. I would hate to get into a “cage” fight with one if I was a fighter pilot because you know if the gun gets you it’s over right then. I wonder how the a10 armor holds up against other jets cannons.

    • @absalomdraconis
      @absalomdraconis 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Probably not that great, but the other fighter had better either win quick or escape quick, because the only modern fighter out-turning an A-10 is a hovering F-35 (and I'm not sure those can fire from a hover).

  • @erasmus_locke
    @erasmus_locke 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hey Alex I don't know if you're reading this but your audio cut out at the 2 minute 30 second mark

  • @stormhawk31
    @stormhawk31 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Why did the sound blank out?

  • @mikebridges20
    @mikebridges20 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Alex, any help in what was the narrative at 2:32-2:37? Silence right there, and I'm pretty sure it was important info.

  • @bryonslatten3147
    @bryonslatten3147 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    2:30 Lost audio.

  • @noahwail2444
    @noahwail2444 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Back in the early ´90ies, I saw an A10, wich is a rare look around here. Then in came a F16, and I thourght "good bye A10". But man, what a show of flying I was given! I never dreamt of it could move like that, and I just stood there on the sidewalk with my mouth open, and enjoyed the performance. I don´t think the F16 got him, he was like an eel, slippery and very hard to get a hold on. ;o)

  • @dotancohen
    @dotancohen 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great video. I had my finger hovering over the Dislike button the whole time, with that clickbait headline. But the video was terrific, I'd upvote it twice if I could. Checking out the rest of the channel now.

  • @19orbelow
    @19orbelow 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    sweet finishing sentence

  • @PlaneSaddles
    @PlaneSaddles 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    How many A-10 pilots had "Gator" as a call sign?

  • @that.schamp
    @that.schamp 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    lol! Many years ago, I would take an A-10 out into air to air combat arena in an online game. I think it was Janes USAF or something. I would just hang out in the mountains cruising through canyons and occasionally pop up to let people know I was there. Dudes with fighters would come over looking for the easy kill. About half would drop in from high altitude, hit me with a short range missile, and carry on with their day. But the other half would come in within a few thousand of my altitude, so as they popped over the ridgeline and tried to get a lock, I would use the A-10's insane turn rate to flip around and Brrrt. I ended up with a very average kill ratio close to 1:1. Flying an A-10.

  • @seanbigay1042
    @seanbigay1042 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    "Ha-haa! I am THE RAPTOR! I'm swift! I'm stealthy! I'm sexy! What have you got that can compete, old-ti--" *BRAAAP!* "Yeah, right, punk. Go ahead. Make my day."

  • @goodsocksproductions9397
    @goodsocksproductions9397 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    What do you guys think was redacted at 2:33 ?

  • @tombray2557
    @tombray2557 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Why is that many early production models and prototypes of aircraft have spikes on they're nose but are usually removed later?

  • @LordRambo
    @LordRambo 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    F-22: Has superior speed, radar, targeting, countermeasures, and weapons
    A-10: "Nah, I'd win."

  • @conservativeokie
    @conservativeokie 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    There is absolutely no such thing as a, “fair” fight, or it is not a real fight!

  • @erasmus_locke
    @erasmus_locke 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Talk about the Pye Wacket Missile. It's the weirdest thing I've ever seen

  • @TinHatRanch
    @TinHatRanch 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So these match ups put the more capable aircraft at a disadvantage? Are you trying to say the A-10 had one engine out and half a wing?

  • @rangerider4288
    @rangerider4288 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    By the same dynamics? A well-armed P-51 Mustang could smoke-up the Thunderbolt II/Warthog .... in "Low & slow" asymmetrics. This is why "Stand-off" Combat is the Future!

  • @keyboardcommando7493
    @keyboardcommando7493 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I l9ve the warthog my fav plane!

  • @krustdogg131
    @krustdogg131 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Imagine the crap the f22 pilot got from his peers lol

  • @mrdddeeezzzweldor5039
    @mrdddeeezzzweldor5039 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    2:30...MIA! Guess we don't need to know ;-)

  • @angusmatheson8906
    @angusmatheson8906 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Wtf was the silence at 2:34 about?

  • @shaneofcanada7042
    @shaneofcanada7042 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It just means there is a Warthog pilot out there with EXTRA EXTRA big brass balls

  • @chad_cloaker6957
    @chad_cloaker6957 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    “We are going to retire the A-10”
    A-10 “takes down the “King of the sky””
    “Nvm”

  • @DanielCastro-io5dy
    @DanielCastro-io5dy 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I think your audio dropped out for a bit.

  • @petersmythe6462
    @petersmythe6462 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If an A-10 gets into a moderate speed one circle fight with the F-22 it may have some chance. Otherwise, the most likely outcome is the F-22 launches an AMRAAM that the A-10 only notices with it goes active, with maximum energy and kill probability, and about 10 seconds later, splash one warthog.

  • @djluminol
    @djluminol 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Why do your videos keep having audio issues? Usually it's a random change in volume but today it was the audio cutting out for a few seconds?

    • @SanctuaryLife
      @SanctuaryLife 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Aliens

    • @ryantaylor3073
      @ryantaylor3073 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He said something about the a10s capabilities that revealed an f22 weakness. Removed after further thought

  • @shyneus9773
    @shyneus9773 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    As someone with 3 virtual dogfight kills with the A-10C and AIM-9Ms, it's low speed can catch people off guard in a merge. Not very often tho 😢

  • @gunner2225
    @gunner2225 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Audio issues!

  • @scottgorman7166
    @scottgorman7166 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What is the range of the 30mm gun on the A-10? Anyone know?