Most people don't seem to understand that devices like this and the various ones that actually let you trace a figure or model aren't "cheating". You still need actual talent or skill to reproduce a thing in a pencil drawing or a painting. What they do is speed up the process a bit... taking some of the initial measurements and the "fussy bits" out of the process. You'll still need to know about shading, coloring, etc. There's just no shortcuts around learning those things.
Hi Florent I love your channel. Your review is thorough but thought I’d give My honest review as well, if anyone is looking for another opinion. So if it helps anyone, then cool: I just got one as a gift for Christmas and I really like it. I started drawing and then oil painting only less than a year ago when I turned ripe young age of 40 😵😬 lol. The drawscope is certainly helpful for students or someone in my case as Florent stated, as I struggle and am trying hard to get better at drawing. I feel like the drawing and pre-painting drawing and sketching etc is number one aspect of getting into art that is the most difficult, most work and patience to do WELL, and super important to the success of any of the subsequent aspects like blocking in, correcting etc. I honestly can say that not only has this drawscope tool helped me lay the ground work for painting with correct proportions, but it has in a strong way quickly trained me to see some of the tendencies of mistakes that I did not realize I was even making as often as I was. It’s quite similar to having a teacher looking over your shoulder letting you know “hey you keep flattening the nose... you drew the left eye too small and slightly lower... the value on his forehead is not the same as the nose like you just did... “ etc. I think this will help me not only learn faster but it absolutely removes SO much of the frustration and confusion a beginner like me feels when they know they made mistakes but can’t figure out what exactly they are; let alone how to fix them. Something like the drawscope I will even say can help keep people from quitting and giving up from frustration and that in itself to me is worth more than the cost. But I digress... It takes a little practice to get use to and become more useful as you get more use to using it. I don’t know if you experienced it but until I did get use to it I would get a sharp head ache from my eyes nonstop trying to focus and work out what I was doing. It’s made well, solid materials and I do think it’s worth the money as I would have bought one if I wasn’t given one. It’s def worth more than $25 like someone else had said. Nothing cost $25 that’s worth anything. Maybe in 1982 but it’s 2019 things cost money and if you want good things you have to spend it. There is plenty of garbage out there that cost $25 and also junk that cost much more. Point is I would say I don’t mind to spend more money for nicer things and this Drawscope is in the realm of nice things and not left me feeling ripped off at all. You can tell the people who make it care about it. That’s more important to me than saving some money and owning crap to show for it. 🤷🏼♂️ my 2 cents, go for it 👍🏼👍🏼
I sometimes use a projector when transferring one of my normal-sized sketches on to a bigger surface. I do this not because I can't go by free hand myself, even though I must admit it's somewhat of a struggle for me, but because it saves a ton of time.
'Tim's Vermeer' explore and claim that Vermeer did his paintings with an optical device that is why his painting are so real (lighting fading, etc)...that movie (Tim's Vermeer) is a good documentary to watch! Thank you for the review...i personally think it is like using a calculator for math..yes its using technology and science..so it is more like you need to know what you're doing in order to draw/paint using the drawscope!!!
@@NameIsDoc Your point being, “Vermeer was a real artist”? Implication being that the glazing technique is, ? Or Glazing versus scumbling is, ? One being better versus the other? I don’t understand. But then again it could be my English is bad
@@madArt1981 I used the wrong term. The man here is using alla prima which is painting on the canvas and blending/using colors there. Vermeer would have used the fair more cost effective and popular technique of its time which is Glazing in which you do one layer usually in burnt umber that details the lights and shadows then slowly add transparent layers of color on top. This was the popular way to paint at the time due to the scarcity of the pigments for blue and purple. I am merely pointing out that he is using an entirely different technique from vermeer
The old art world debates about cheating, fairness and skill. I remember heated arguments among my art class peers about using tracing paper, transfer paper, gridlines or projectors compared to freehand.
The young are often arrogant. Ignorance is daring and very vocal. When I was young this wasn’t considered nothing more than a time saving tool. Times change
It's cheating. If it isn't then all people whom trace images wouldn't hide that they trace. They'd be 100% completely honest with their customers. Unless you are willing to tell people you are using projectors, light boxes, lucidas etc then don't pretend you aren't cheating
Starting the discovery of mirrors and the development of modern optics in the 15th century all the artists started to use both the camera obscura and lucida. Modern realism is dued to these devices. Caravaggio used it. Probably Leonardo too. We had traced art starting from the end of middle age up to the modern Avanguardie, when artists moved back to expressionism.
I also think using these devices helps tremendously in learning to create realism on your own. When I was younger, I struggled to draw horses from memory at all. So I "cheated" and traced them until it finally clicked and drawing the from memory became much easier. It allows you the opportunity to translate what your brain process is through your eyes to what your brain and body sees and draws on the paper.
Caravaggio and Canaletto, two of the biggest italian painters, used some tools to trace the figures on the canvas. What made the difference was the talent they had when using the colours, so alive and unique. So I would not call it cheating, just a faster way to draw.
I think that if they made use of tools such as this, that if anything, they were using them to help layout very large canvases, but not necessarily for specifically tracing the outlines of people or objects in their paintings, because at their skill-level, they would not need those tools for that purpose. Also, I do understand in what you meant by their great talent of using color, and to some extent that’s true, but unfortunately people always seem to write-off the gigantic amount of hours truly great artists such as Caravaggio and Canaletto spent studying form, shape, life, gesture, architecture, light, and color and value! Yes, you have to have an inner awareness to these things in the first place in order to learn about them AND apply what you’ve learned, but that is more than just talent alone, it is great passion and dedication to one’s art! And THAT is what sets those great artists apart from the rest. It is the passion of always learning and improving their skill level. The beauty of those painters was that they were letting a story unfold to their viewers. A real artist isn’t just copying what they see, they are INTERPRETING it through their eyes and experiences and what attracts and intrigues them to their subject or scene in the first place. So these artists weren’t just copying or tracing, they were taking their viewers on a little adventure. They present something to you and give you just enough information to hook you and to ask more questions, or want to visit the scene, etc. As one of my favorite instructors said once, through understanding of how to use line, value and color, you can create a composition that will lead the eye successfully around the artwork. Your artwork, weather it be a painting, drawing, collage, whatever, can control the timing of what the viewer’s eyes see chronologically and what the eye rests on, plus the mood you create, among other things. Understanding and learning about all of those things on a daily basis is what separates the great artists from the rest. I remember discussing this in classes and with other artist friends, and we’d all have a laugh on how they had experiences like getting all excited about how light fell on an object and filtered through clouds or reflected light was cast, wrinkles in an old shoe, or the surface of weathered wood or water, and how if you exclaimed about that in non-artist company, they thought you were nuts! 😊❤️✏️🎨 Yeah, if you are an artist, it’s a calling. It’s your passion and even if you are not actually making art at the moment, you’re thinking about it and seeing things every day through the eyes of an artist.
It is practically impossible to cheat using a device in modern painting because all drawing and painting is projection. You are projecting your idea onto a surface and so you depict it by drawing it, painting it and so on. So I would say no - using devices like digital cameras and so on to draw and paint after what you capture on them is not cheating in any form to my awareness. I might as well want to try this. Currently I use a tiny light board and a large flat screen TV. The flat screen TV is used most of the time now.I am interested in this device and in the device known as Lucy. Thanks for this!
Everything is up for grabs when working in the arts. I personally prefer to draw and paint from life in a process of selection and gut response and distort and eliminate where necessary. It involves being aware of the total subject and drawing all over the surface from point to point without being mechanical.
It's cheating. If it isn't then all people whom trace images wouldn't hide that they trace. They'd be 100% completely honest with their customers. Unless you are willing to tell people you are using projectors, light boxes, lucidas etc then don't pretend you aren't cheating
I been studying portraits, faces , eyes, hands, postures for some time now . I usually draw free hand. My natural style is a mixture of cartoon/realistic . There are other times I use compass protractors, rulers , a window against the light to get some lines right for proportions specialIy if I want to go more realistic as its harder for me. I think this is really useful if u are a self taught artist still learning and still developing your own style. Depends also in your goals. Personally I want to become really good at realistic portraits so any device that will help me learn, grow, get closer to my goals is always a must. A real true artist has a true passion, the desire to learn more and more , the ceative process is huge , they never stop studying shapes, light, researching and you definitely transmit that through your work as it has depth and soul. Wouldn't worry too much if people cheat with this tool, you can see it straight away.
Don’t worry about this topic. It’s nonsense, has no academic purpose and serves only to segregate the self serving & grandiose. It’s a method to exclude themselves. It’s a tool for the “I’m better” because …. It’s a gimmick at the expense of others. You’re doing fine. Persistence and dedication is key to success. Access to opportunities, there lay the problem.
I wonder if I could get used to looking through it... When I draw/paint in class from reference photos I don't have much problem with proportions, maybe because the surface and a photo is already a closed composition in some sense. The problem with me comes when I work from life and there is thousands of things to look at lol. Maybe it's worth a try. Thank you for the review
NO!!!!! It's not cheating! Only an arrogant self-righteous artist would say that. ( Sorry if that a little strong) but if a plain white canvas can sell for millions then using an aid is nothing if it's part of an artists method to speed up productivity then so be it.
Adam Heredia cheating is the wrong term I agree. But the ability to craft something by hand does add something to the finished product. A hand knit sweater, hand cut dovetails on a jewelry box, a portrait drawn by hand and painted indirectly in the classical method . Some people note these things can be done faster by machine, more precisely too. They’d be right too. Too me there is still and always will be a place for handcrafted objects of art and skill. To each his own.
Is there a difference between a painting begun by super imposing an image on a canvas and a painting done an image drawn by eye? Is there a difference in the final product? Only if the artist get their proportions/perspective wrong. The only person that will know is the artist himself. Vermeer, van Gogh, da Vinci, Rafael, Miguel Angel, Rockwell, Dali... And many many more have used aids to paint. Whether one chooses not to is solely based on gimictry. Plaese don't take this personally but it's The ole I don't use aids because I'm better trick.
Adam Heredia if I understand your point, it is that you don’t value the skill needed or expended to draw in proportion . Your position is that the result is the only important thing. Not everyone is of the same opinion, that’s all I’m saying.
Some discrepency here, you say (5:00) it's not for tracing, it'd be "a headache" to trace with the drawscope. And yet on their website they say you can trace and show pictures of the act of tracing ....... so which is it ?
That's my opinion on this product, I don't think it can trace (well). Maybe I'm wrong and I just didn't find the right way to trace with it. As I said, it's purely my thoughts about it ! To be honest, I didn't put too much effort trying to trace with it because I think it's stupid to do that and the potential of the drawscope is not there.
merci pour la video. J'ai vu bcp de publicite pour un outil similaire qui promettait un dessin parfait... a tel point que j'ai pense que c'etait un attrappe-nigaud! Je comprends maintenant l'utilisation qu'on peut en faire, notamment quand on travaille seul. Il est parfoit utile d'avoir un regard exterieur ou, a defautl, un outil de correction! Je profite de l'occasion pour te dire que c'est un plaisir de t'ecouter : ton anglais est parfait! Je suis en general genee par les accents en anglais et habituellement reconce a ecouter les videos en entier, meme sur un theme qui m interesse. Ce n'est pas le cas ici : keep it on!
I guess is very useful for drawing but we can't forget the true challenge is to transform those line on the flat surface in something more complicated. Drawing fastly the objects with more acurate proportion can make you go fast, and no one is cheating cause deeply you know you can do it, but slower. So I guees if there is a fast option that you can use it to start to painting is wonderful.
I think......The ultimate goal is to train your eye to see differences and make adjustments without devices. The better you can train your eye without devices the more versatile you will become as a painter in all situations including plein air. However..... these devices can assist your learning process just the same way as all other devices including string, unit of measurement etc.... So in that regard I don't regard any device as cheating. But it is like riding a bike with the training wheels still attached. If you wish to continue to rely on devices instead of ultimately training your eye to see differences, then that's up to you and the type of artist you wish to be. For me, training your eye without devices is the ultimate goal, because the final result will have more of your spirit. If the final result has some degree of difference, so be it, they are your differences, and anyway, not many people will notice differences once you have removed the reference. If you wish to continue relying on devices deep into your journey beyond curiosity, then you may eventually stunt your growth, but that's up to you.
The question you should have addressed in the video would be, 'do you find the price of $89 to be a good value?'. If you have a comment on that, it would be appreciated. Also, did they pay you for this review, either with the product or with money...?
Porque no hay un vídeo de Drawscope donde se explique en español ?? El drawscope fue diseñado en España y no hay un solo vídeo en español qué raro .,!!!
I am 56yo. I started drawing, better than an average adult, before I enrolled in Gr1. I stopped drawing about 36 years ago. I draw without any aid, no tutorial or lessons. I made at least 2 drawings now after decades of nothing, coz of the pandemic. Well, the first gave me a headache. The second I used a downloaded app where I can trace. The tracing wasn’t perfect, but helped with the measurements. After tracing, it was back to my skill. And still got the headache after.
So this tool is about as good as squinting your eye, but it comes with an expense. However, I can see how it can be somewhat useful, sometimes. Not indispensable, just a little bit handy at times.
I agree that this devise is useful for checking proportions and reference, like proportional dividers a reference. I think that the true devise is understanding proportions and shapes and their relationships, value, sight sizing and just plain hard work 😓 and experience. Nothing will replace research, hard work and making mistakes.
Haven’t come to any mention of cost, but just looking at this video this device can’t cost more than $10-$15US. Edit: Looked at website, vendor wants $60US (free shipping). Too much. Also, the vendor advertises it for tracing.
If you're using sight size, you can get the same effect with just a flat mirror held perpendicular to your face, in front of your nose with both eyes open. Try it. But only if you use sight size method. As far as optics in art history goes, I reckon there's a good chance any artist who painted a self portrait didn't.
Hello Florent! I came your channel because saw an advertise of draw scope. I have an camera lucida, for many years without use. I appreciate way you saw the use for draw scope! Anyway this has transparency projection that is characteristic of camera lucida? On products site looks like has, even they don't talk about camera lucida itself. Thanks for you review, best wishes!!!
So this is sold as a tracing device, and it's a huge a struggle to use like that. I found this as I was trying to see why it isn't working for me. I'm deeply disappointed in the sales videos.
Hey, just want to let you know that your image and clips of this video were used in an advertisement for drawscope that I saw on instagram. If you're getting paid for that, great! If not, you might want to be!
I hate the word cheating, when it comes to art. There is no such thing as cheat. No one in the world said you can't use aids to help. Technically a color wheel is cheating, and every single tool for art. Every single professional throughout history used aids.
Hmm, not really. First off, projectors aren't $20 but, most importantly, with a projector you have to work in the dark and use a photograph to project. The whole point of this thing is to get you to learn how to better judge proportions AND colour when you are working FROM LIFE. Big difference.
The one thing stopping me from buying one is the price, and the fact that the basic model does not have the lanyard and tripod mount. These things are very cheap to add. To get them you have to spend another £10 odd pounds, on top of the already overpriced £50 for the basic model. If it was £50, including the lanyard and tripod adapter, I might be tempted.
You've got a good channel. Don't sell yourself short. Go ahead and do some other product reviews. Even if you don't think anyone would be interested it, may still contain beneficial information that some of your viewers could still benefit from. Try it. You never know. The Camera Lucida device looks like a modern day table-top tracing projection device. Amazon sell similar devices on its website.
Bonjour florent je tiens a tu remercie infiniment pour tts les informations que tu nous partage vraiment de mes profondeurs car j'ai tellement appris de toi plus ce que j'ai appris dans les coures de mon école ...sincèrement ...et pour cette jolie appareil je crois quelle peux aider bcp bcp des étudiants vraiment et aussi il existe un sorte de compas presque on peux faire la même chose avec mais d'une maniéré différente je viens de voir une vidéo sur TH-cam concernant ca ma question est ce que vous l'avais déjas utilisé ?? entendre parlé ? et c'est quoi ton avis ?? car je le trouve tés utile mais bizarrement aucun aucun de mes professeures des beaux arts m'ont parlé ? mais un oui merci la video ( Stefan Baumann Proportional Divider The Best Keep Secret to Improve Your Drawing )
No magnifying glass, I could have saved a few bucks by buying a toy periscope and tweak it a little. I bought one and a half of this thingy, you see, they first send me one without the mirrors and then send me one with the mirrors. Umm, worth 20 bucks...maybe, not $80, used it once and goes in my art junk bin. The old pencil thumb technique works much better.
Ever ever since this virus I've been thinking about maybe I should try to go back drawing there's a pair other devices but I think I'll give this one and the other one draw Lucy a chance as right now i need to do some thing
Ok, many people here are saying that this is not cheating. I just say, I disagree. And I would never use it. But that is clearly just my own personal position.
If you are a person who does intricate line work and claims to be a master of line, then optical devices are 'cheating'. If you are a painter, they are just a tool that helps you get to the painting more efficiently.
I know you are happy with your freebee and artists, in general, are not that good at marketing but you should ask your sponsors a promo code for your subscribers and viewers for promoting their products.
It's cheating & not cheating. Premise matters. To learn from, to check accuracy, it's not much different than a proportional divider. If used for tracing, it's cheating. Regardless, "F" that price!
Your argument why it would not be useful as a tracing tool is not explained, and at complete odds with drawscopes own advertising videos in which the tracing element is the primary selling point.
Moi ce serait pas de la triche , juste pour reproduire en plus grand ce que j ai deja produit en plus petit .Si ca marche , je gannerai du temps en productivite .C ' est peut etre mieux aussi pour la myopie justement .
Tracing is cheating, just common sense. If you don't understand then take a college drawing class. Students work hard to improve their eye-hand coordination without erasers. At the end of the class I was able to draw so well that my image looked the same upside down. Practice practice practice!
Clients want an EXACT replica of the design. Imagine sitting and drawing a design to perfection to put on someone permanently. When it comes to my other art I would NEVER trace!!!
Most people don't seem to understand that devices like this and the various ones that actually let you trace a figure or model aren't "cheating". You still need actual talent or skill to reproduce a thing in a pencil drawing or a painting.
What they do is speed up the process a bit... taking some of the initial measurements and the "fussy bits" out of the process.
You'll still need to know about shading, coloring, etc. There's just no shortcuts around learning those things.
The idea of "cheating" in art in general is absurd.
Hi Florent I love your channel. Your review is thorough but thought I’d give My honest review as well, if anyone is looking for another opinion. So if it helps anyone, then cool:
I just got one as a gift for Christmas and I really like it. I started drawing and then oil painting only less than a year ago when I turned ripe young age of 40 😵😬 lol. The drawscope is certainly helpful for students or someone in my case as Florent stated, as I struggle and am trying hard to get better at drawing. I feel like the drawing and pre-painting drawing and sketching etc is number one aspect of getting into art that is the most difficult, most work and patience to do WELL, and super important to the success of any of the subsequent aspects like blocking in, correcting etc. I honestly can say that not only has this drawscope tool helped me lay the ground work for painting with correct proportions, but it has in a strong way quickly trained me to see some of the tendencies of mistakes that I did not realize I was even making as often as I was. It’s quite similar to having a teacher looking over your shoulder letting you know “hey you keep flattening the nose... you drew the left eye too small and slightly lower... the value on his forehead is not the same as the nose like you just did... “ etc. I think this will help me not only learn faster but it absolutely removes SO much of the frustration and confusion a beginner like me feels when they know they made mistakes but can’t figure out what exactly they are; let alone how to fix them. Something like the drawscope I will even say can help keep people from quitting and giving up from frustration and that in itself to me is worth more than the cost. But I digress...
It takes a little practice to get use to and become more useful as you get more use to using it. I don’t know if you experienced it but until I did get use to it I would get a sharp head ache from my eyes nonstop trying to focus and work out what I was doing. It’s made well, solid materials and I do think it’s worth the money as I would have bought one if I wasn’t given one. It’s def worth more than $25 like someone else had said. Nothing cost $25 that’s worth anything. Maybe in 1982 but it’s 2019 things cost money and if you want good things you have to spend it. There is plenty of garbage out there that cost $25 and also junk that cost much more. Point is I would say I don’t mind to spend more money for nicer things and this Drawscope is in the realm of nice things and not left me feeling ripped off at all. You can tell the people who make it care about it. That’s more important to me than saving some money and owning crap to show for it. 🤷🏼♂️ my 2 cents, go for it 👍🏼👍🏼
I sometimes use a projector when transferring one of my normal-sized sketches on to a bigger surface. I do this not because I can't go by free hand myself, even though I must admit it's somewhat of a struggle for me, but because it saves a ton of time.
Nice points made. Not tracing, but rather allows you to check your own accuracy and make adjustments.
'Tim's Vermeer' explore and claim that Vermeer did his paintings with an optical device that is why his painting are so real (lighting fading, etc)...that movie (Tim's Vermeer) is a good documentary to watch!
Thank you for the review...i personally think it is like using a calculator for math..yes its using technology and science..so it is more like you need to know what you're doing in order to draw/paint using the drawscope!!!
but vermeer used classical glazing method rather then modern day scumbling
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SKULLMAN76 I agree Tim’s Vermeer is a great documentary.
@@NameIsDoc Your point being, “Vermeer was a real artist”?
Implication being that the glazing technique is, ?
Or Glazing versus scumbling is, ? One being better versus the other?
I don’t understand. But then again it could be my English is bad
@@madArt1981 I used the wrong term. The man here is using alla prima which is painting on the canvas and blending/using colors there. Vermeer would have used the fair more cost effective and popular technique of its time which is Glazing in which you do one layer usually in burnt umber that details the lights and shadows then slowly add transparent layers of color on top. This was the popular way to paint at the time due to the scarcity of the pigments for blue and purple. I am merely pointing out that he is using an entirely different technique from vermeer
The old art world debates about cheating, fairness and skill.
I remember heated arguments among my art class peers about using tracing paper, transfer paper, gridlines or projectors compared to freehand.
The young are often arrogant. Ignorance is daring and very vocal. When I was young this wasn’t considered nothing more than a time saving tool. Times change
I wouldn't call it "cheating" because what it really matters is the final product which is not easy to achieve.
It's cheating. If it isn't then all people whom trace images wouldn't hide that they trace. They'd be 100% completely honest with their customers. Unless you are willing to tell people you are using projectors, light boxes, lucidas etc then don't pretend you aren't cheating
Starting the discovery of mirrors and the development of modern optics in the 15th century all the artists started to use both the camera obscura and lucida. Modern realism is dued to these devices. Caravaggio used it. Probably Leonardo too. We had traced art starting from the end of middle age up to the modern Avanguardie, when artists moved back to expressionism.
I also think using these devices helps tremendously in learning to create realism on your own. When I was younger, I struggled to draw horses from memory at all. So I "cheated" and traced them until it finally clicked and drawing the from memory became much easier. It allows you the opportunity to translate what your brain process is through your eyes to what your brain and body sees and draws on the paper.
Caravaggio and Canaletto, two of the biggest italian painters, used some tools to trace the figures on the canvas. What made the difference was the talent they had when using the colours, so alive and unique. So I would not call it cheating, just a faster way to draw.
I think that if they made use of tools such as this, that if anything, they were using them to help layout very large canvases, but not necessarily for specifically tracing the outlines of people or objects in their paintings, because at their skill-level, they would not need those tools for that purpose.
Also, I do understand in what you meant by their great talent of using color, and to some extent that’s true, but unfortunately people always seem to write-off the gigantic amount of hours truly great artists such as Caravaggio and Canaletto spent studying form, shape, life, gesture, architecture, light, and color and value!
Yes, you have to have an inner awareness to these things in the first place in order to learn about them AND apply what you’ve learned, but that is more than just talent alone, it is great passion and dedication to one’s art!
And THAT is what sets those great artists apart from the rest.
It is the passion of always learning and improving their skill level.
The beauty of those painters was that they were letting a story unfold to their viewers.
A real artist isn’t just copying what they see, they are INTERPRETING it through their eyes and experiences and what attracts and intrigues them to their subject or scene in the first place.
So these artists weren’t just copying or tracing, they were taking their viewers on a little adventure.
They present something to you and give you just enough information to hook you and to ask more questions, or want to visit the scene, etc.
As one of my favorite instructors said once, through understanding of how to use line, value and color, you can create a composition that will lead the eye successfully around the artwork.
Your artwork, weather it be a painting, drawing, collage, whatever, can control the timing of what the viewer’s eyes see chronologically and what the eye rests on, plus the mood you create, among other things.
Understanding and learning about all of those things on a daily basis is what separates the great artists from the rest.
I remember discussing this in classes and with other artist friends, and we’d all have a laugh on how they had experiences like getting all excited about how light fell on an object and filtered through clouds or reflected light was cast, wrinkles in an old shoe, or the surface of weathered wood or water, and how if you exclaimed about that in non-artist company, they thought you were nuts! 😊❤️✏️🎨
Yeah, if you are an artist, it’s a calling. It’s your passion and even if you are not actually making art at the moment, you’re thinking about it and seeing things every day through the eyes of an artist.
It is practically impossible to cheat using a device in modern painting because all drawing and painting is projection. You are projecting your idea onto a surface and so you depict it by drawing it, painting it and so on. So I would say no - using devices like digital cameras and so on to draw and paint after what you capture on them is not cheating in any form to my awareness. I might as well want to try this. Currently I use a tiny light board and a large flat screen TV. The flat screen TV is used most of the time now.I am interested in this device and in the device known as Lucy. Thanks for this!
Everything is up for grabs when working in the arts.
I personally prefer to draw and paint from life in a process of selection and gut response and distort and eliminate where necessary.
It involves being aware of the total subject and drawing all over the surface from point to point without being mechanical.
It's cheating. If it isn't then all people whom trace images wouldn't hide that they trace. They'd be 100% completely honest with their customers. Unless you are willing to tell people you are using projectors, light boxes, lucidas etc then don't pretend you aren't cheating
it seems to help me training what my tutor calls a "measuring eye" especially when I am practicing alone and he is not there to guide me
Looks like a really great device for autodidacts pursuing sight-size. A bit expensive, in my opinion.
I been studying portraits, faces , eyes, hands, postures for some time now . I usually draw free hand. My natural style is a mixture of cartoon/realistic . There are other times I use compass protractors, rulers , a window against the light to get some lines right for proportions specialIy if I want to go more realistic as its harder for me. I think this is really useful if u are a self taught artist still learning and still developing your own style. Depends also in your goals. Personally I want to become really good at realistic portraits so any device that will help me learn, grow, get closer to my goals is always a must.
A real true artist has a true passion, the desire to learn more and more , the ceative process is huge , they never stop studying shapes, light, researching and you definitely transmit that through your work as it has depth and soul. Wouldn't worry too much if people cheat with this tool, you can see it straight away.
Don’t worry about this topic. It’s nonsense, has no academic purpose and serves only to segregate the self serving & grandiose.
It’s a method to exclude themselves. It’s a tool for the “I’m better” because ….
It’s a gimmick at the expense of others.
You’re doing fine. Persistence and dedication is key to success. Access to opportunities, there lay the problem.
I wonder if I could get used to looking through it... When I draw/paint in class from reference photos I don't have much problem with proportions, maybe because the surface and a photo is already a closed composition in some sense. The problem with me comes when I work from life and there is thousands of things to look at lol. Maybe it's worth a try. Thank you for the review
With some training it'll be solved
NO!!!!! It's not cheating! Only an arrogant self-righteous artist would say that. ( Sorry if that a little strong) but if a plain white canvas can sell for millions then using an aid is nothing if it's part of an artists method to speed up productivity then so be it.
Adam Heredia cheating is the wrong term I agree. But the ability to craft something by hand does add something to the finished product. A hand knit sweater, hand cut dovetails on a jewelry box, a portrait drawn by hand and painted indirectly in the classical method .
Some people note these things can be done faster by machine, more precisely too. They’d be right too. Too me there is still and always will be a place for handcrafted objects of art and skill.
To each his own.
Is there a difference between a painting begun by super imposing an image on a canvas and a painting done an image drawn by eye? Is there a difference in the final product? Only if the artist get their proportions/perspective wrong. The only person that will know is the artist himself.
Vermeer, van Gogh, da Vinci, Rafael, Miguel Angel, Rockwell, Dali... And many many more have used aids to paint. Whether one chooses not to is solely based on gimictry. Plaese don't take this personally but it's The ole I don't use aids because I'm better trick.
Adam Heredia if I understand your point, it is that you don’t value the skill needed or expended to draw in proportion . Your position is that the result is the only important thing. Not everyone is of the same opinion, that’s all I’m saying.
I totally agree there is no cheating in art
You can't call tracing "ART"! Stop being lazy.
young boy I truly love your accent... is perfectly understanding... you ought to have a huge good culture, to express that way!
Good review. Excellent point about checking color and values. I also like the point about emulating some aspect of the instructor feedback.
I think that can be very useful for sculpting.
All in how it's used, just like all other art equipment. I'd try it. Certainly it's just another tool that could come in handy in some situations.
Some discrepency here, you say (5:00) it's not for tracing, it'd be "a headache" to trace with the drawscope. And yet on their website they say you can trace and show pictures of the act of tracing ....... so which is it ?
That's my opinion on this product, I don't think it can trace (well). Maybe I'm wrong and I just didn't find the right way to trace with it. As I said, it's purely my thoughts about it ! To be honest, I didn't put too much effort trying to trace with it because I think it's stupid to do that and the potential of the drawscope is not there.
@@FlorentFargesarts good point
Ive seen people use duck tape for painting straight lines. Its not cheating, but using available tools.
Thanks for explanation! I just bought few days ago your oil course on streaming. Amazing!)) Keep on following you!))))
how much it is?
Thank you so much for the honest review 💯💚
merci pour la video. J'ai vu bcp de publicite pour un outil similaire qui promettait un dessin parfait... a tel point que j'ai pense que c'etait un attrappe-nigaud! Je comprends maintenant l'utilisation qu'on peut en faire, notamment quand on travaille seul. Il est parfoit utile d'avoir un regard exterieur ou, a defautl, un outil de correction! Je profite de l'occasion pour te dire que c'est un plaisir de t'ecouter : ton anglais est parfait! Je suis en general genee par les accents en anglais et habituellement reconce a ecouter les videos en entier, meme sur un theme qui m interesse. Ce n'est pas le cas ici : keep it on!
I guess is very useful for drawing but we can't forget the true challenge is to transform those line on the flat surface in something more complicated. Drawing fastly the objects with more acurate proportion can make you go fast, and no one is cheating cause deeply you know you can do it, but slower. So I guees if there is a fast option that you can use it to start to painting is wonderful.
where can i get one of these ?
I think......The ultimate goal is to train your eye to see differences and make adjustments without devices. The better you can train your eye without devices the more versatile you will become as a painter in all situations including plein air. However..... these devices can assist your learning process just the same way as all other devices including string, unit of measurement etc.... So in that regard I don't regard any device as cheating. But it is like riding a bike with the training wheels still attached. If you wish to continue to rely on devices instead of ultimately training your eye to see differences, then that's up to you and the type of artist you wish to be. For me, training your eye without devices is the ultimate goal, because the final result will have more of your spirit. If the final result has some degree of difference, so be it, they are your differences, and anyway, not many people will notice differences once you have removed the reference. If you wish to continue relying on devices deep into your journey beyond curiosity, then you may eventually stunt your growth, but that's up to you.
Dónde la puedo comprar? Saludos desde Zacatecas México
You can do the same thing by just aligning your canvas along side your landscape or model and taking relative measures with your pencil or brush
what company do you have an easel?
This seams to be a very expensive periscope. You should mention this
The question you should have addressed in the video would be, 'do you find the price of $89 to be a good value?'. If you have a comment on that, it would be appreciated. Also, did they pay you for this review, either with the product or with money...?
Porque no hay un vídeo de Drawscope donde se explique en español ?? El drawscope fue diseñado en España y no hay un solo vídeo en español qué raro .,!!!
You are a born educator!!!!! Thank you
I think simply using plumb and level lines and understanding perspective/proportions is the best way. Most artists never really need such devices.
I am 56yo. I started drawing, better than an average adult, before I enrolled in Gr1. I stopped drawing about 36 years ago. I draw without any aid, no tutorial or lessons. I made at least 2 drawings now after decades of nothing, coz of the pandemic. Well, the first gave me a headache. The second I used a downloaded app where I can trace. The tracing wasn’t perfect, but helped with the measurements. After tracing, it was back to my skill. And still got the headache after.
Is auto tune for singers cheating then?? How about plagarism for writing? Art you get away with murder i swear.
So this tool is about as good as squinting your eye, but it comes with an expense. However, I can see how it can be somewhat useful, sometimes. Not indispensable, just a little bit handy at times.
For the record, the word "lÚcida" stresses on the "u" of the first syllable both in Latin and in Italian, and the "c" is pronounced as in "cheese".
Je ne comprends pas l’anglais, j’ai fait lv2 allemand au collège et lycée. Ma question est : est ce que tu recommandes ce produit ?
Merci.
Je pense que oui, pour l'etudes.
Atelieri Design merci bien.
I agree that this devise is useful for checking proportions and reference, like proportional dividers a reference. I think that the true devise is understanding proportions and shapes and their relationships, value, sight sizing and just plain hard work 😓 and experience. Nothing will replace research, hard work and making mistakes.
Haven’t come to any mention of cost, but just looking at this video this device can’t cost more than $10-$15US.
Edit: Looked at website, vendor wants $60US (free shipping). Too much.
Also, the vendor advertises it for tracing.
If you're using sight size, you can get the same effect with just a flat mirror held perpendicular to your face, in front of your nose with both eyes open. Try it. But only if you use sight size method. As far as optics in art history goes, I reckon there's a good chance any artist who painted a self portrait didn't.
In a way I see it as a third wheel for a bicycle... good to get you started in a right way
How much?!!!!
Hello Florent! I came your channel because saw an advertise of draw scope. I have an camera lucida, for many years without use.
I appreciate way you saw the use for draw scope!
Anyway this has transparency projection that is characteristic of camera lucida?
On products site looks like has, even they don't talk about camera lucida itself.
Thanks for you review, best wishes!!!
So this is sold as a tracing device, and it's a huge a struggle to use like that. I found this as I was trying to see why it isn't working for me. I'm deeply disappointed in the sales videos.
Love your honesty!
Hey, just want to let you know that your image and clips of this video were used in an advertisement for drawscope that I saw on instagram. If you're getting paid for that, great! If not, you might want to be!
oPPS! Went to buy one and they are not available.
Can you make it en francais? Because I don't bite que dalle and it s dommage..merci.
I hate the word cheating, when it comes to art. There is no such thing as cheat. No one in the world said you can't use aids to help. Technically a color wheel is cheating, and every single tool for art. Every single professional throughout history used aids.
great information. Could you tell me/everyone about the fantastic head you drew please.
Yes, sure. The cast is a plaster reproduction of French Playwright Molière by Houdon. Found it on a flee market, rare catch !
But Dependency is not good
I need one of these, how do I qualify to do reviews, cause buying one isn't an option. Broke.
can you make camera luicida review?
Just go to a toy store and buy a $20 image projector and trace the image projected onto your canvas.
Hmm, not really. First off, projectors aren't $20 but, most importantly, with a projector you have to work in the dark and use a photograph to project. The whole point of this thing is to get you to learn how to better judge proportions AND colour when you are working FROM LIFE. Big difference.
How about using a projector or beamer
H H More expensive I guess.
I was just thinking how to make proportions easier when I was painting a dog. It looked like a dog but not the dog I was painting :D
The one thing stopping me from buying one is the price, and the fact that the basic model does not have the lanyard and tripod mount. These things are very cheap to add. To get them you have to spend another £10 odd pounds, on top of the already overpriced £50 for the basic model.
If it was £50, including the lanyard and tripod adapter, I might be tempted.
You've got a good channel. Don't sell yourself short. Go ahead and do some other product reviews. Even if you don't think anyone would be interested it, may still contain beneficial information that some of your viewers could still benefit from. Try it. You never know.
The Camera Lucida device looks like a modern day table-top tracing projection device. Amazon sell similar devices on its website.
In my opinion is not cheating, if Vermeer use Dark Camera and produce his famous paintings, why not?
Bonjour florent je tiens a tu remercie infiniment pour tts les informations que tu nous partage vraiment de mes profondeurs car j'ai tellement appris de toi plus ce que j'ai appris dans les coures de mon école ...sincèrement ...et pour cette jolie appareil je crois quelle peux aider bcp bcp des étudiants vraiment et aussi il existe un sorte de compas
presque on peux faire la même chose avec mais d'une maniéré différente je viens de voir une vidéo sur TH-cam concernant ca ma question est ce que vous l'avais déjas utilisé ?? entendre parlé ? et c'est quoi ton avis ?? car je le trouve tés utile mais bizarrement aucun aucun de mes professeures des beaux arts m'ont parlé ? mais un oui merci la video (
Stefan Baumann Proportional Divider The Best Keep Secret to Improve Your Drawing
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I dreamed about this last night
!!!!!!!!! $79.00 !!!!!!! for one magnifying glass and one mirror in a box,,,,,,, I can manufacture one for much less.
No magnifying glass, I could have saved a few bucks by buying a toy periscope and tweak it a little. I bought one and a half of this thingy, you see, they first send me one without the mirrors and then send me one with the mirrors. Umm, worth 20 bucks...maybe, not $80, used it once and goes in my art junk bin. The old pencil thumb technique works much better.
i agree with u
Ever ever since this virus I've been thinking about maybe I should try to go back drawing there's a pair other devices but I think I'll give this one and the other one draw Lucy a chance as right now i need to do some thing
Ok, many people here are saying that this is not cheating. I just say, I disagree. And I would never use it. But that is clearly just my own personal position.
Good evaluation !
I'll try this out and check out other methods.
Thank you. That was very helpful
If you are a person who does intricate line work and claims to be a master of line, then optical devices are 'cheating'. If you are a painter, they are just a tool that helps you get to the painting more efficiently.
Hold my glasses...
How super. Like athletes, good artist will try anything to gain an advantage.
I want to know how can art be a main source of income?
What is cheating really? If you really want to not cheat dont work from the model directly and do it all from memory perfectly.
I know you are happy with your freebee and artists, in general, are not that good at marketing but you should ask your sponsors a promo code for your subscribers and viewers for promoting their products.
A quand de nouveaux tutoriaux en Français? Merci
It's cheating & not cheating. Premise matters. To learn from, to check accuracy, it's not much different than a proportional divider. If used for tracing, it's cheating. Regardless, "F" that price!
Great review but these things are Way over priced for what it is like most art supplies!
2:12 come on… hes still a god even if he used the latest tech, it’s alright to admit it haha.
Your argument why it would not be useful as a tracing tool is not explained, and at complete odds with drawscopes own advertising videos in which the tracing element is the primary selling point.
Moi ce serait pas de la triche , juste pour reproduire en plus grand ce que j ai deja produit en plus petit .Si ca marche , je gannerai du temps en productivite .C ' est peut etre mieux aussi pour la myopie justement .
Nifty!
That’s great... thanks
Very nice, very useful
En español?
Get ya a camera lucida and you're good to go.
Tracing is cheating, just common sense. If you don't understand then take a college drawing class. Students work hard to improve their eye-hand coordination without erasers. At the end of the class I was able to draw so well that my image looked the same upside down. Practice practice practice!
To pay $79 bucks is a rip-off.
It's not cheating. It's just another tool for artists.
Tracing is cheatin?
I dont think tattoo artists think in the same manner
Or illustrators or silk screen artist
Tracing can be a tool for art
Clients want an EXACT replica of the design. Imagine sitting and drawing a design to perfection to put on someone permanently. When it comes to my other art I would NEVER trace!!!
Salut ! Pourquoi ne pas nous traduire tes vidéos ds la langue de Descartes ?? snif! :)
Is photography cheating? Is photography art?
It's good tool ,not to be a crutch.
I wouldn't pay for this. A pencil works just fine to sight size.
it's soo cool!!!
Handcuffs before video?
I've got one eye , I'm outa here.
Vermeer. I rest my case.
I am blind in one eye so this may not work for me