Was thinking the same thing. Lingsha saved my account (I'm only 2 months in) and I realized that sustains make the account. Surviving fights was my issue. Once you can survive them, you can kill most bosses/enemies eventually. very few can outheal you.
Lowkey what hurts since i feel like i need them both my two best teams is feixaio, moze, robin and either gallager/gepard and jingliu, robin/bronya, pela and gallger/gepard. i also missed out on ruan mei i started when dr.ratio was given free😭
Be glad you started then lol, I started at 2.2, I have no Gallagher, no Ratio, didn't even manage to pull a tingyun either lol. Painful team comps until Robin and Feixiao came. My 4 standard 5* stars are Yanqing E1, Bailu, Welt 😭. Almost dropped the game until I got Yunli and combat got easier.
My Acheron is e1,s1 I will get her e2 so she stays relevant in 3.x phases. I'll need to get fox dude next go around. I'm at 55 summons, not guaranteed but I have 70 saved as of now so I'm not fretting. If I lose no worries bc I want Sunday. My Generals already above average by a decent bit.
Should I pull for Acheron or Aventurine E1? I would pick Acheron but I’m not sure if I have a good team planned for her. I’m definitely pulling for Aventurine’s light cone because I’ve really been liking his character so honestly why not lol. Plus I have high pity on lc banner.
Other then the Idea of E2 Aventurine, I'm satisfied with him on my Main, I have E2S1 Acheron and E1S1 Aventurine, but will be picking him up on an alt account as he is the best sustain
Pulling Adventurine. Acheron needs set up that my account just doesn't have. Adven however is a tank that is much more consistent and easier to synergize overall as well as being a perfect FuA team's tank. Not sure about his LC though. I'll have to look at it and compare it with what I already have.
He is 100% viable without his LC. I don't have his LC and he has been a lifesaver for me in content because I only just recently had to use my 300 steller jade pull get Gepard and I wasn't around for Loucha. Acheron kinda needs her lc as I am relay struggling to make her work without it
this is literaly 2.1 part 2. if you want strong dps go for acheron if you need op tank go for aventurine. if can get both go for it, they never will go down in the meta.
I'm pulling Acheron for more team variety, i already have the premium FuA Team and the premium Break Team for both Rappa and Boothill, so having a third team option would be nice imo
How are you not mentioning when it comes to aventurine acheron pair that aventurines e2 is a debuff so his basics now give acheron stacks. And with his lc the follow ups he spams are also debuffs so again, more stacks for acheron. You should build a lot of speed and use ER rope on him so he can rapid fire these debuffs. People think of aventurine as a follow up main but at high investment i think his main role is to make acheron pop off.
Many don't really invest hard into the sustain since they do there job just fine without there sigs or any Es. Usually if people want to invest higher in units, it's more efficient to do so on the actual dps character or even the nihility. Buffers or harmony characters are also higher priority for most characters to invest in, like the Ruan meis or the Robin's. So unless someone is a whale, they are likely better off getting an acherons E2 or s1, or even E1 silverwolf to spam ult, etc.
If you have good sustains, then LC. Otherwise, Aventurine will help both Acheron and other teams as well (more versatility, and he can apply a debuff).
I only want acheron's lc. She needs and i hate having her on my account and not using her. As much as i want Sunday, i dont have Jing Yuan so i dont have the summon dps unit which makes him not that great. I may or may not try for fugue
I would really love to get e1 for aventurine, but it seems likely the Jing Yuan will run with Sunday and I need both of them 😭 I’m waiting until the livestream to see if that is really the case. If not the I’m definitely going to see if I can win a 50/50 for e1
JY will likely become strong again with Sunday, but I think they are introducing Sunday because there will be stronger summon DPSes later in 3.x, so I would recommend that you wait and see if there is another summon DPS you might like more first then decide whether you want JY instead if you want to save up or want Aventurine E1. Just my thoughts, no pressure! 🫶🏻🫶🏻
@ thanks for the advice but I don’t pull for meta. I’m a husbando collector and I’m only missing JY and Argenti. And Sunday but I haven’t missed a chance on his banner like the other too. So my priories are a bit off but and the new characters I’ve heard of for 3.0 are mostly females that I will likely skip no matter how strong they are 🤷🏻♀️
I'm hoping that Acheron is a good pick for my account. Characters I have that I think work for her: E0S0 Black Swan, E4S5 Gallagher (What is Real LC), E6S5 Pela (Pearls)... I already have Aventurine but he's glued to my Feixiao team if I don't run break on one side. I also have E6 Guinaifen and E0 Silver Wolf. I AM going for Sunday as I already have Jing Yuan and want to bring him back. Hopefully I have enough for both x_x
@@cielsteam Thank you so much! I've done some thinking and evaluation of my account and determined that I should be investing in characters I already have and not pulling a new one. I have Feixiao already and she does an incredible amount of work herself. Acheron will have to wait - I'm already full-clearing content at 36* so I think investing in supports is a smarter decision. I'll be holding steady for Sunday's release next version, mainly because I've wanted to give Jing Yuan a proper support and I didn't pull Sparkle.
Just a tip, if you don't have jioqiu then I personally recommend you to skip acheron totally. I would suggest waiting around and getting Sunday so you can pull 3.x dps instead. ( an eoso acheron haver with pela, and blackswan eos1 haver btw)
@@imperial_7776 I actually DID decide to skip her! I'll be pulling Sunday and if Jing Yuan reruns aside, his LC. I skipped JQ since I wasn't sure I'd need him. How does she work with your setup? I'm curious what I would've had.
@@CoffeeWithKai she used to destroy everything and even now( in simulated universe and all other things, except endgame moc 11 and 12 ) she does but as time passed I have realized that i didn't have her lc ( lost 75/25 still hurts to today lmao) so gaining stacks was pain too, and I also didn't have jioqiu so not only I am getting 2 turn ult I am also losing one cycle just to fill my ultimate she actually was My sole carry since 2.1 , she legit was clearing in like 3 cycles and 4 cycles on right opponents and element match. So I used to dump that 6 cycles to my ratio eoso and I did get into 20 cycles 2 times and 19 cycles ever since. For now, its just not it man, if I place my acheron on first side then she either clearing it in 6 cycles or 7 . And that's all because I don't have a premium team nor do I own a lightcone. All these people with e1 and eo Ruan Mei, Robin might make her stay relevant for now but as guy who never had those I can say that she has fallen off. Like if you take feixiao eoso team and acheron then you can see clearly that she sucks without lc and jioqiu. It's not that she is worst but it's that she has fallen off as eoso , and since you don't have jioqiu its better to just skip her , because if you get her now then you need to get atleast e2s1 with jioqiu so she can stay relevant for 3.x .
Feixio though is pretty capped out. There's not much upward potential left for her as all the best follow up supports are out without many glaring flaws. Meanwhile Acheron has been pretty much brute forcing her way through the meta and only really has one dedicated BiS in JQ. (Maybe the case can be made for high investment Aven, but no, Pela doesn't count, she's not premium.) So, Oddly enough there's still a lot of room to grow for her. The fact that she topped the charts for months without dedicated premium support already speaks a lot. I'm all for diversifying my account so she's with it on my end. I already have Feixiao E2S1 but this will cleanly cover all my needs for a good while.
@@KalarMeadia This is fair. Good assessment, I never though that Feixao is capped out but you're right. She'll probably never be any better. I think for low spenders/f2p, you should be skipping on Acheron for the 3.0 DPS.
@KalarMeadia couldn't they jisy make better follow up units that could riase her damage output? I don't get how she is all the sudden capped out when if you invest in either or they get stronger.
And guess what feixiao will get powercreeped and then the next character and then the next. They better hope they don't discourage people from pulling because that's a scummy tatic.
Depends on your account. It is kinda hard to replace Aventurine prob Lingsha is the only other choice for followup. Fugue though I feel like unless you are running break on both sides of AS/MoC she is not really that crazy so far. She might get some buffs later down the line though.
Fugue isn't that great right now. She's good with Rappa, but HTB is better with FF currently. Fugue "should" be buffed before launch. She's pretty lackluster right now.
I missed Aventurine the first time and it cause me so much pain.
And heading into 3.0 I feel like a sustain is a safer bet than a DPS.
I was going to pull for E2S1 Acheron. But I'm starting to think I should pull Adventurine and wait for the 3.0 Summon dps and pull Sunday.
@@MorluG thats probably a better decision unless you like acheron
Nothing is better than having a new character if your Jades are budgeted
@@MorluG you will not regret pulling for him. Aventurine is a great and I would say a must pull unit. Fits in many teams, even Acheron teams.
Was thinking the same thing. Lingsha saved my account (I'm only 2 months in) and I realized that sustains make the account. Surviving fights was my issue. Once you can survive them, you can kill most bosses/enemies eventually. very few can outheal you.
Another thing for Aventurine also. He is amazing in SU. I know a lot of people use him in the highest difficulties and he makes them way easier.
First time I’ve see your channel. That was an amazing breakdown n
Lowkey what hurts since i feel like i need them both my two best teams is feixaio, moze, robin and either gallager/gepard and jingliu, robin/bronya, pela and gallger/gepard. i also missed out on ruan mei i started when dr.ratio was given free😭
Be glad you started then lol, I started at 2.2, I have no Gallagher, no Ratio, didn't even manage to pull a tingyun either lol. Painful team comps until Robin and Feixiao came. My 4 standard 5* stars are Yanqing E1, Bailu, Welt 😭. Almost dropped the game until I got Yunli and combat got easier.
I dont have any dps, and ive been saving for months for acheron, getting S1 too.
My Acheron is e1,s1 I will get her e2 so she stays relevant in 3.x phases. I'll need to get fox dude next go around. I'm at 55 summons, not guaranteed but I have 70 saved as of now so I'm not fretting. If I lose no worries bc I want Sunday. My Generals already above average by a decent bit.
Im and started just last week. I dont know which banners to pull
Should I pull for Acheron or Aventurine E1? I would pick Acheron but I’m not sure if I have a good team planned for her. I’m definitely pulling for Aventurine’s light cone because I’ve really been liking his character so honestly why not lol. Plus I have high pity on lc banner.
Other then the Idea of E2 Aventurine, I'm satisfied with him on my Main, I have E2S1 Acheron and E1S1 Aventurine, but will be picking him up on an alt account as he is the best sustain
For me Lingsha Looks better in Term of Sustain … but i sadly missed out on her while being in vacation. Now i will pick up Aventurine
I have them both and honestly it’s the best made decision I made in my account.
Pulling Adventurine. Acheron needs set up that my account just doesn't have. Adven however is a tank that is much more consistent and easier to synergize overall as well as being a perfect FuA team's tank. Not sure about his LC though. I'll have to look at it and compare it with what I already have.
He is 100% viable without his LC. I don't have his LC and he has been a lifesaver for me in content because I only just recently had to use my 300 steller jade pull get Gepard and I wasn't around for Loucha. Acheron kinda needs her lc as I am relay struggling to make her work without it
It's Aventurine, not aDventurine
@@darkblue4959 what are you even talking about?
@@blackmark2899 the spelling I think
this is literaly 2.1 part 2. if you want strong dps go for acheron if you need op tank go for aventurine. if can get both go for it, they never will go down in the meta.
Thankfully I have both. Adventurine is a beast. I always have him in my teams.
i have acheron e1s1 and for sustain i only have bailu and gepard . should i go for acheron e2 or aventurine ?
I'm pulling Acheron for more team variety, i already have the premium FuA Team and the premium Break Team for both Rappa and Boothill, so having a third team option would be nice imo
How are you not mentioning when it comes to aventurine acheron pair that aventurines e2 is a debuff so his basics now give acheron stacks. And with his lc the follow ups he spams are also debuffs so again, more stacks for acheron. You should build a lot of speed and use ER rope on him so he can rapid fire these debuffs. People think of aventurine as a follow up main but at high investment i think his main role is to make acheron pop off.
Many don't really invest hard into the sustain since they do there job just fine without there sigs or any Es. Usually if people want to invest higher in units, it's more efficient to do so on the actual dps character or even the nihility. Buffers or harmony characters are also higher priority for most characters to invest in, like the Ruan meis or the Robin's.
So unless someone is a whale, they are likely better off getting an acherons E2 or s1, or even E1 silverwolf to spam ult, etc.
@@GodofGoblinsbasically what you said
I have 190 pulls ..should i skip acheron for a future dps.. n pick up e0 aven? My dps rn is dan heng 😂 its a no pull account
Skipping for Sunday 😊
If I already have e2 Acheron should I go for her lightcone or e0 aventurine
her LC then Aventurine
If you're having trouble sustaining, aventurine first. If not, acheron's lc first.
If you have good sustains, then LC. Otherwise, Aventurine will help both Acheron and other teams as well (more versatility, and he can apply a debuff).
Your colours being played in background 🎉
I'm torn between getting Aven's LC as a guaranteed or save it for Sunday's LC
I already have them, but I have no good 5 star Lightcone for them so I'm gonna get theirs
Is Aventurine a better sustain for an Acheron team in term of debuff stack for her and survivability?
Absolutely
@gachainteract is he good against the giant deer and Kafka? Cuz im struggling when the cc my units.
@@rajeshappalasawmy3667 Aventurine is the best sustain for anti-cc as he has a lot of Effect RES built into his kit and give sit to allies as well.
@@gachainteract i see... Maybe ill try to get him.
I only want acheron's lc. She needs and i hate having her on my account and not using her. As much as i want Sunday, i dont have Jing Yuan so i dont have the summon dps unit which makes him not that great. I may or may not try for fugue
I would really love to get e1 for aventurine, but it seems likely the Jing Yuan will run with Sunday and I need both of them 😭 I’m waiting until the livestream to see if that is really the case. If not the I’m definitely going to see if I can win a 50/50 for e1
JY will likely become strong again with Sunday, but I think they are introducing Sunday because there will be stronger summon DPSes later in 3.x, so I would recommend that you wait and see if there is another summon DPS you might like more first then decide whether you want JY instead if you want to save up or want Aventurine E1. Just my thoughts, no pressure! 🫶🏻🫶🏻
@ thanks for the advice but I don’t pull for meta. I’m a husbando collector and I’m only missing JY and Argenti. And Sunday but I haven’t missed a chance on his banner like the other too. So my priories are a bit off but and the new characters I’ve heard of for 3.0 are mostly females that I will likely skip no matter how strong they are 🤷🏻♀️
Aventurine is Zhongli.
I'm hoping that Acheron is a good pick for my account.
Characters I have that I think work for her: E0S0 Black Swan, E4S5 Gallagher (What is Real LC), E6S5 Pela (Pearls)... I already have Aventurine but he's glued to my Feixiao team if I don't run break on one side.
I also have E6 Guinaifen and E0 Silver Wolf.
I AM going for Sunday as I already have Jing Yuan and want to bring him back. Hopefully I have enough for both x_x
Wishing you luck on your pulls. 🫶🏻🫶🏻
@@cielsteam Thank you so much! I've done some thinking and evaluation of my account and determined that I should be investing in characters I already have and not pulling a new one. I have Feixiao already and she does an incredible amount of work herself. Acheron will have to wait - I'm already full-clearing content at 36* so I think investing in supports is a smarter decision.
I'll be holding steady for Sunday's release next version, mainly because I've wanted to give Jing Yuan a proper support and I didn't pull Sparkle.
Just a tip, if you don't have jioqiu then I personally recommend you to skip acheron totally.
I would suggest waiting around and getting Sunday so you can pull 3.x dps instead.
( an eoso acheron haver with pela, and blackswan eos1 haver btw)
@@imperial_7776 I actually DID decide to skip her! I'll be pulling Sunday and if Jing Yuan reruns aside, his LC.
I skipped JQ since I wasn't sure I'd need him. How does she work with your setup? I'm curious what I would've had.
@@CoffeeWithKai she used to destroy everything and even now( in simulated universe and all other things, except endgame moc 11 and 12 ) she does but as time passed I have realized that i didn't have her lc ( lost 75/25 still hurts to today lmao) so gaining stacks was pain too, and I also didn't have jioqiu so not only I am getting 2 turn ult I am also losing one cycle just to fill my ultimate she actually was My sole carry since 2.1 , she legit was clearing in like 3 cycles and 4 cycles on right opponents and element match. So I used to dump that 6 cycles to my ratio eoso and I did get into 20 cycles 2 times and 19 cycles ever since.
For now, its just not it man, if I place my acheron on first side then she either clearing it in 6 cycles or 7 .
And that's all because I don't have a premium team nor do I own a lightcone.
All these people with e1 and eo Ruan Mei, Robin might make her stay relevant for now but as guy who never had those I can say that she has fallen off.
Like if you take feixiao eoso team and acheron then you can see clearly that she sucks without lc and jioqiu.
It's not that she is worst but it's that she has fallen off as eoso , and since you don't have jioqiu its better to just skip her , because if you get her now then you need to get atleast e2s1 with jioqiu so she can stay relevant for 3.x .
Won't be pulling for Acheron E2. Costs too much. Will be pulling for Aventurine though then hopefully, Firefly E1.
Both
Acheron will soon be replaced as the top DPS... wait she already got powercrept by feixiao 😂
Feixio though is pretty capped out. There's not much upward potential left for her as all the best follow up supports are out without many glaring flaws.
Meanwhile Acheron has been pretty much brute forcing her way through the meta and only really has one dedicated BiS in JQ. (Maybe the case can be made for high investment Aven, but no, Pela doesn't count, she's not premium.) So, Oddly enough there's still a lot of room to grow for her.
The fact that she topped the charts for months without dedicated premium support already speaks a lot.
I'm all for diversifying my account so she's with it on my end. I already have Feixiao E2S1 but this will cleanly cover all my needs for a good while.
@@KalarMeadia This is fair. Good assessment, I never though that Feixao is capped out but you're right. She'll probably never be any better. I think for low spenders/f2p, you should be skipping on Acheron for the 3.0 DPS.
@KalarMeadia couldn't they jisy make better follow up units that could riase her damage output? I don't get how she is all the sudden capped out when if you invest in either or they get stronger.
And guess what feixiao will get powercreeped and then the next character and then the next. They better hope they don't discourage people from pulling because that's a scummy tatic.
Okay but aventurine or fugue🤔
Aventurine as for now. The recent fugue isnt that recommended
Depends on your account. It is kinda hard to replace Aventurine prob Lingsha is the only other choice for followup. Fugue though I feel like unless you are running break on both sides of AS/MoC she is not really that crazy so far. She might get some buffs later down the line though.
Fugue isn't that great right now. She's good with Rappa, but HTB is better with FF currently. Fugue "should" be buffed before launch. She's pretty lackluster right now.
Are you into Superbreak? If not then Aventurine 100%
Fugue can give Acheron superbreak though on top of being nihility