Your videos are the perfect moment of reflection for me after I finish reading the book. I really look forward to them as you are extraordinarily good at summation. What a gift.
Glad to hear you are enjoying them. I truly enjoy making them and really hope people get value from them. This series has been very rewarding internally for me. Thanks again for the kind words!
8:56 this passage here has the feel of platonism; that there is knowledge outside of life and that when we learn, we are gaining access to that realm of knowledge, the realm of forms (as far as this layperson comprehends it).
Excellent video, thank you! I did not find the dialogues in Phaedo as easy to follow as the Apology or Crito, and I think a lot of it went over my head. One beautiful passage jumped out at me though, about the Swan Song: “Socrates smiled and said: [the swans], when they perceive that they must die, having sung all their life long, do then sing more than ever, rejoicing in the thought that they are about to go away to the god whose ministers they are… because they are sacred to Apollo and have the gift of prophecy and anticipate the good things of another world, therefore they sing and rejoice in that day more than they ever did before. And I, too, believing myself to be the consecrated servant of the same God, and the fellow servant of the swans, and thinking that I have received from my master gifts of prophecy which are not inferior to theirs, would not go out of life less merrily than the swans.” The other thing I kept thinking in the book were how similar Jesus and Socrates were - neither wrote anything down themselves, both made enemies because of their love of truth, justice, wisdom etc; both died holding absolutely firm to what they believed (as well as many other points - I know a lot has been written about this!). I find Jesus' way of speaking in parables and stories a lot easier to grasp than Socrates' discussions of logic and reason, although maybe that's because I'm more familiar with them. I don't know much about the Stoics either so looking forward to the next book!
I find Aristotle harder to read because of that same reason. The text is so heavy on ethics and reason that it is hard to visualize anything he is talking about. The parables of the Bible turn into images in your head and after a while they become very hard to forget. Thanks so much for watching and tuning in! Stay blessed my friend!
I try to watch with a paper, and from from philosophy being a search of something past the body I came up with: 'Philosophy is searching for an existence past the shackles of the body. Does the body not tempt you from the work of the mind? Only the mind tempers the body to physically work it into submission, exhaustion, and repetition,' shabby work, but we try! Thank you for the video Mr. Pirie.
That is a dang good takeaway! Sums it up pretty well. Harnessing the mind and getting it under control has been challenging for me especially as the temptations of social media increase. Thanks so much for watching my friend and truly hope you stay blessed!
You, young man, are not anywhere near old enough to use, "Peace out!" That was MY generation (I'm 74 and was a teen in the '60s and in my 20s during the "70s.) Scolding aside, you helped me so much to begin to understand what men thousands of years ago postulated. I, like you, had to read the "odd/even" debate several times and finally decided I didn't have the brain power or patience to continue. I'm using a Kindle along with a notebook and had already written down some of the same quotes as you. Good to know my old brain really is still functioning, somewhat anyway...
Haha that’s so funny you say that. “Peace out” came back in the early 2000’s and we all thought we were cool! I watched enough Happy Days to realize we didn’t create it. Your generation holds that I believe. I truly appreciate you watching and stay blessed my friend!
Brilliant. Your manner dear Mr. Pirie is gripping and entirely what education in its best delivery is, and invitation to continue into a place of very great desired knowledge with a thirst for the passion of its pursuit! Thank you Sir !
Thanks so much for the kind words! That truly means a lot to hear. I have been thoroughly enjoying this series and I have learned so much in the process. I truly appreciate you watching and hope all has been well!
Thank you so much. I most definitely agree. So much philosophy and discussion comes from this one scene before his death. The lessons and ideas are important here in understanding the bedrock of western civilization. The further I get into the series the more I realize how important Plato’s influence was on just about every writer and thinker afterwards. Thanks for watching and stay blessed my friend!
Nice!! I enjoyed it more than I thought I would. I actually enjoyed his writing. The further I get into the series the more I understand why Elliot put Franklin first. Hope you are enjoying it and thanks so much for watching!
Haha idk about all that. I’m just a dude in the beginning stages of a classical education. I am glad these episodes have been helpful though. It’s going to be a fun journey through them. Thanks for watching my friend and stay blessed!
That’s was I am screaming! Why did we not read this in school? They are actually fairly easy to read and pretty interesting. Thanks so much for watching!
@@The_Cause Exactly, 2024 is my last year of school and the most important things I've read were by myself. It's like they are trying to hide these texts from us.
Luckily we live in an age where learning and education are mouse click away! I truly wish you the best after graduation and hope you keep learning and improving yourself. Enjoy life my friend!
Your wish is my command brother! They have been a joy to make so far and I do not pan to quit until we get to the last volume. Thanks so much for watching my friend!
Cool topics you're reading. Phaedo was the one book out of the five that my university philosophy class left out of the curriculum. It's amazing how many concepts, Eastern and Christian, are in this book. Reminds me of the movie Man From Earth. Good Luck with your channel and coffee business!
Wow that’s crazy they would leave Phaedo out. I could see Crito or Meno but Phaedo is one of the main ones. It’s longer though so maybe that’s why. Truly appreciate the kind words and support. I am enjoying the heck out of both at the moment so not planning to stop anytime soon. Stay blessed brother and have a great week!
Hi Rob, I’m loving the content. It is insightful, reachable and importantly malleable. It bids me to reflect and stirs within me something. Maybe to choose a course on my life’s compass and go! I’d love to buy your coffee but I think to import it to Oz would be expensive and difficult. Great work!
I truly appreciate the kind words and hope you travel down these great works and find what you are searching for. As for coffee... Australia has some amazing roasters out there so even if I can't ship mine to you there are some great options out there. Thanks so much for watching my friend and stay blessed!
Thanks for sharing Rob! I have a difficult time following a lot of ancient texts when I read them, but you did a great job of relaying the information in a way that my brain could track. Where were you when I was in school?!?
No problem buddy! I wish I would of been interested in this type of stuff when I was young. Never was really introduced to any of it though. On a more important note… roasted your coffee this morning and headed to ship it in just a bit! Coffee inbound! Haha
You're a good teacher. I tried reading Parminides by Plato this past summer but was completely lost. At the time I had no idea about the concept of forms that is discussed. Anyways this stuff is great it makes me want to give Plato's works a try again (In the right order this time).
You are not the only one that will find it hard to read. I still struggle with some such as Aristotles “Ethics”. One thing to remember with these books is they are meant to be read multiple times over long periods. Not even the brightest individuals will pull out the main concepts in the first pass and life and other learning gives you context of what they are trying to convey. It’s truly an exercise of the mind and as your mind and vocabulary grows new discoveries in the same text you have read previously are found. TH-cam has opened the door of understanding as well. I will link resources in the next video to help with supplemental learning. I truly appreciate you watching and hope you have a blessed week!
This is great content Rob! It's inspiring to hear about your journey and process. I've started finally looking into those Stoics; currently reading Marcus Aurelius' Meditations, and have a couple Holiday books queued up. Great reccomendations! Those Woolman/Penn Quakers folks are really inspiring as well.
Thanks so much for the kind words! Marcus is a great one to start with. I will actually be covering him in two video from now. Working on Epictetus’s video now. It’s has been a joy to dive back into these books. Makes me realize how far we have come in terms of technology and how much we have lost in the control of our minds.
Of the Plato pieces that we’ve read as of yet, I found this one the most difficult to understand. That said, I thought it was interesting to see the back and forth between the group as Socrates is essentially convincing them that he’s going to be okay. While I believe Socrates was largely acting from a logical perspective for his arguments but, I can’t help but believe that a decent portion of this conversation was in an attempt to make his friends feel better about what was about to happen.
I think he honestly believed it but I do think he was trying to set them all at ease. Towards the end the book turned into something that resembled Revelations in my mind. I agree though. Pheado was a little more difficult to read than the others in the dialogue. Did you read Meno as well?
There is a free version on audible with the five dialogues. I just listened to it real quick to give some better context. www.audible.com/pd/B08N6WCDMK?source_code=ASSORAP0511160006&share_location=library_overflow
Haha yes indeed. I have tried to limit the amount of TV and social media as well. It’s hard to do though. Glad to hear my videos are worthy of your time. Means a lot.
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Your videos are the perfect moment of reflection for me after I finish reading the book. I really look forward to them as you are extraordinarily good at summation. What a gift.
Glad to hear you are enjoying them. I truly enjoy making them and really hope people get value from them. This series has been very rewarding internally for me. Thanks again for the kind words!
8:56 this passage here has the feel of platonism; that there is knowledge outside of life and that when we learn, we are gaining access to that realm of knowledge, the realm of forms (as far as this layperson comprehends it).
Excellent video, thank you! I did not find the dialogues in Phaedo as easy to follow as the Apology or Crito, and I think a lot of it went over my head. One beautiful passage jumped out at me though, about the Swan Song:
“Socrates smiled and said: [the swans], when they perceive that they must die, having sung all their life long, do then sing more than ever, rejoicing in the thought that they are about to go away to the god whose ministers they are… because they are sacred to Apollo and have the gift of prophecy and anticipate the good things of another world, therefore they sing and rejoice in that day more than they ever did before. And I, too, believing myself to be the consecrated servant of the same God, and the fellow servant of the swans, and thinking that I have received from my master gifts of prophecy which are not inferior to theirs, would not go out of life less merrily than the swans.”
The other thing I kept thinking in the book were how similar Jesus and Socrates were - neither wrote anything down themselves, both made enemies because of their love of truth, justice, wisdom etc; both died holding absolutely firm to what they believed (as well as many other points - I know a lot has been written about this!). I find Jesus' way of speaking in parables and stories a lot easier to grasp than Socrates' discussions of logic and reason, although maybe that's because I'm more familiar with them. I don't know much about the Stoics either so looking forward to the next book!
I find Aristotle harder to read because of that same reason. The text is so heavy on ethics and reason that it is hard to visualize anything he is talking about. The parables of the Bible turn into images in your head and after a while they become very hard to forget. Thanks so much for watching and tuning in! Stay blessed my friend!
These are great. Appreciate the time and deep insight you are sharing
Glad you like them and truly appreciate you watching! Stay blessed!
I am definitely enjoying these videos
Glad you like them! They have been a joy to create. Thanks so much for watching and stay blessed!
I try to watch with a paper, and from from philosophy being a search of something past the body I came up with: 'Philosophy is searching for an existence past the shackles of the body. Does the body not tempt you from the work of the mind? Only the mind tempers the body to physically work it into submission, exhaustion, and repetition,' shabby work, but we try! Thank you for the video Mr. Pirie.
That is a dang good takeaway! Sums it up pretty well. Harnessing the mind and getting it under control has been challenging for me especially as the temptations of social media increase. Thanks so much for watching my friend and truly hope you stay blessed!
You, young man, are not anywhere near old enough to use, "Peace out!" That was MY generation (I'm 74 and was a teen in the '60s and in my 20s during the "70s.) Scolding aside, you helped me so much to begin to understand what men thousands of years ago postulated. I, like you, had to read the "odd/even" debate several times and finally decided I didn't have the brain power or patience to continue. I'm using a Kindle along with a notebook and had already written down some of the same quotes as you. Good to know my old brain really is still functioning, somewhat anyway...
Haha that’s so funny you say that. “Peace out” came back in the early 2000’s and we all thought we were cool! I watched enough Happy Days to realize we didn’t create it. Your generation holds that I believe. I truly appreciate you watching and stay blessed my friend!
Brilliant. Your manner dear Mr. Pirie is gripping and entirely what education in its best delivery is, and invitation to continue into a place of very great desired knowledge with a thirst for the passion of its pursuit! Thank you Sir !
Thanks so much for the kind words! That truly means a lot to hear. I have been thoroughly enjoying this series and I have learned so much in the process. I truly appreciate you watching and hope all has been well!
Please let me know if you are enjoying these episodes in the comments below. I would love to hear your thoughts! Stay blessed!
This video is AWESOME 👏. The thoughts. I might have to get this book. Heavy thinking here
They wept not for Socrates but for
Themselves, orphans of His guidance and nurture.
That’s a really good point! Never thought about it in that respect. Truly appreciate you watching my friend. Stay blessed!
This is the essence of education and a wonderful video.
Thank you so much. I most definitely agree. So much philosophy and discussion comes from this one scene before his death. The lessons and ideas are important here in understanding the bedrock of western civilization. The further I get into the series the more I realize how important Plato’s influence was on just about every writer and thinker afterwards. Thanks for watching and stay blessed my friend!
I’ll be finishing Franklin’s auto biography soon.
Nice!! I enjoyed it more than I thought I would. I actually enjoyed his writing. The further I get into the series the more I understand why Elliot put Franklin first. Hope you are enjoying it and thanks so much for watching!
I just came across this channel. Boy what a thinker you are.
Haha idk about all that. I’m just a dude in the beginning stages of a classical education. I am glad these episodes have been helpful though. It’s going to be a fun journey through them. Thanks for watching my friend and stay blessed!
I love this!
Glad to hear! This was an enjoyable read indeed. A pivotal dialogue in philosophy. Thanks for watching my friend!
Thank you for this review of the Phaedo!
My pleasure!
These videos are too good to be this unrecognized.
That’s was I am screaming! Why did we not read this in school? They are actually fairly easy to read and pretty interesting. Thanks so much for watching!
@@The_Cause Exactly, 2024 is my last year of school and the most important things I've read were by myself. It's like they are trying to hide these texts from us.
Luckily we live in an age where learning and education are mouse click away! I truly wish you the best after graduation and hope you keep learning and improving yourself. Enjoy life my friend!
Man this is great,
Please carry on the Series..
Your wish is my command brother! They have been a joy to make so far and I do not pan to quit until we get to the last volume. Thanks so much for watching my friend!
Cool topics you're reading. Phaedo was the one book out of the five that my university philosophy class left out of the curriculum. It's amazing how many concepts, Eastern and Christian, are in this book. Reminds me of the movie Man From Earth. Good Luck with your channel and coffee business!
Wow that’s crazy they would leave Phaedo out. I could see Crito or Meno but Phaedo is one of the main ones. It’s longer though so maybe that’s why. Truly appreciate the kind words and support. I am enjoying the heck out of both at the moment so not planning to stop anytime soon. Stay blessed brother and have a great week!
Hi Rob, I’m loving the content. It is insightful, reachable and importantly malleable. It bids me to reflect and stirs within me something. Maybe to choose a course on my life’s compass and go! I’d love to buy your coffee but I think to import it to Oz would be expensive and difficult. Great work!
I truly appreciate the kind words and hope you travel down these great works and find what you are searching for. As for coffee... Australia has some amazing roasters out there so even if I can't ship mine to you there are some great options out there. Thanks so much for watching my friend and stay blessed!
very insightful
Thanks so much! I am glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks for sharing Rob! I have a difficult time following a lot of ancient texts when I read them, but you did a great job of relaying the information in a way that my brain could track. Where were you when I was in school?!?
No problem buddy! I wish I would of been interested in this type of stuff when I was young. Never was really introduced to any of it though. On a more important note… roasted your coffee this morning and headed to ship it in just a bit! Coffee inbound! Haha
You're a good teacher. I tried reading Parminides by Plato this past summer but was completely lost. At the time I had no idea about the concept of forms that is discussed. Anyways this stuff is great it makes me want to give Plato's works a try again (In the right order this time).
You are not the only one that will find it hard to read. I still struggle with some such as Aristotles “Ethics”. One thing to remember with these books is they are meant to be read multiple times over long periods. Not even the brightest individuals will pull out the main concepts in the first pass and life and other learning gives you context of what they are trying to convey. It’s truly an exercise of the mind and as your mind and vocabulary grows new discoveries in the same text you have read previously are found. TH-cam has opened the door of understanding as well. I will link resources in the next video to help with supplemental learning. I truly appreciate you watching and hope you have a blessed week!
This is great content Rob! It's inspiring to hear about your journey and process. I've started finally looking into those Stoics; currently reading Marcus Aurelius' Meditations, and have a couple Holiday books queued up. Great reccomendations! Those Woolman/Penn Quakers folks are really inspiring as well.
Thanks so much for the kind words! Marcus is a great one to start with. I will actually be covering him in two video from now. Working on Epictetus’s video now. It’s has been a joy to dive back into these books. Makes me realize how far we have come in terms of technology and how much we have lost in the control of our minds.
Of the Plato pieces that we’ve read as of yet, I found this one the most difficult to understand. That said, I thought it was interesting to see the back and forth between the group as Socrates is essentially convincing them that he’s going to be okay. While I believe Socrates was largely acting from a logical perspective for his arguments but, I can’t help but believe that a decent portion of this conversation was in an attempt to make his friends feel better about what was about to happen.
I think he honestly believed it but I do think he was trying to set them all at ease. Towards the end the book turned into something that resembled Revelations in my mind. I agree though. Pheado was a little more difficult to read than the others in the dialogue. Did you read Meno as well?
I have not, I'll add it to my list!@@The_Cause
There is a free version on audible with the five dialogues. I just listened to it real quick to give some better context.
www.audible.com/pd/B08N6WCDMK?source_code=ASSORAP0511160006&share_location=library_overflow
thanks
No problem! Thank you for watching. I truly hope you enjoyed it!
@@The_Cause yes I love it I try to watch 1 a day while I eat breakfast. It's better than watching a TV show that tries to melt my brains
Haha yes indeed. I have tried to limit the amount of TV and social media as well. It’s hard to do though. Glad to hear my videos are worthy of your time. Means a lot.
He would have been better off drinking a bomb cup of coffee! Just saying! ☕️
Unless it was a hemlock latte! Haha