Limehouse, Stepney or Stepney East - three names carried by the same station. But which is the correct one? Ko-Fi: ko-fi.com/jagohazzard Patreon: / jagohazzard
I absolutely love how a lot of the DLR runs on those brick elevated sections. Incredibly photogenic line. It’s the best of both worlds, frequent automated metro system, combined with beautiful track. Normally you just get precast concrete.
@@stevebrown3559 Brick arches are wonderful and those that are built on the skew are especially fascinating, but if the Victorians engineers had had access to pre-stressed concrete they would certainly have used it and would have worked wonders with it.
Hahaha. I made a similar comment under Jago's previous video. Words like 𝑝ℎ𝑜𝑡𝑜𝑔𝑒𝑛𝑖𝑐, 𝑏𝑒𝑎𝑢𝑡𝑖𝑓𝑢𝑙 and 𝑤𝑜𝑛𝑑𝑒𝑟𝑓𝑢𝑙 don't automatically springs to mind when the DLR is mentioned but, with the eclectic mix of brick, water, greenery and rubble, along with a huge slice of history, make this a really interesting rail system. Getting a driver's-eye view of the junctions, routes and stations helps to unjumble the maze a wee bit too, quite apart from being great fun for kids of all ages. I don't think anyone else has covered the DLR to the extent that Mr.H. is achieving: long may it continue.👍👌😁
Jago might be able to do London canals, but for the rest of the country, Paul & Rebecca Whitewick is your go-to channel - they started off with abandoned railways ("Every Disused Station") but have branched out into former canals as well (possibly helped by some routes starting off as canals, then being taken over by railways - and maybe in a few cases then being taken over by roads).
If you are open minded enough to watch a channel featuring a gay couple, Foxes Afloat does narrow boat videos and they discuss the history of the areas they pass through. Colin does great work researching each show.
Jago, I humbly direct you to the Natoonsl Library of Scotland's collection of old maps. These maps show an undefined boundary crossing the Regent Canal docks and crossing Commercial Road and its tram tracks before running north along Brunton Place. These 25 inch to the mile maps from the late 1800s and early 1900s name Limehouse station as Stepney Junction and place the Limehouse curve squarely in Limehouse's St Anne parish.
As someone born and Bred in Stepney (indeed from 'Ratcliffe' Highway) and therefore an East End Oik, I'd never dream of being abusive to you Jago. Some people using the internet really need to chill out, get a life and be appreciative of your sterling efforts!
@@henrybest4057 Hi Henry - thanks for the information. I've never heard that song before. However, having just listened to it, I don't think I've missed much! 😉
@@henrybest4057 I will listen to it again Henry - one hearing may be somewhat unfair. Interesting that they must have researched Ratcliffe Highway; as it was simply 'The Highway' for many years. I notice the band originated in London - I wonder if they were from the East End?
I'm not a train freak but I love your videos because of the comedy you put in and you have a very nice voice to listen too. Plus I learn something everytime. :)
Whoever posted abusive comments should be ashamed of themselves. I applaud your efforts on behalf of us, your loyal subscribers. Railway history forever!
Great video Jago. Yes I'd enjoy your take the Regents Canal - or even a video about the sound of one hand clapping (one of my essays when I mis-behaved at school). I'm sure you'd make a better job of it than I did!
Canals would be a great idea because they were a crucial part of history and many people make videos about the train/subways but not many about the canals.
@@thomasburke2683 Sadly some people everywhere like posting TH-cam comments putting down others for totally normal behaviour, such as making up amusing derogatory nicknames for places. It's a way of confirming their own feeling of self superiority.
There is a station in Nottinghamshire called Ratcliffe on Trent. I would imagine that name wasn't used due to possible confusion it would cause. At Norwich you can get trains to Liverpool Lime Street & London Liverpool Street. Travellers are often confused & catch the wrong service.
There are stations in Lancashire and Cheshire called Adlington. There could have been another Adlington in Cheshire but this was named Alderley Edge to avoid further confusion. The other option was to call it Preston. The present town was named after the station.
When I was a booking clerk on the underground, many people, especially American tourists, requested tickets to Liverpool or Oxford. I usually resisted the temptation to send them to Euston or Paddington for onward mainline travel. Similarly Edgware, most expressing the wish to reach there, only wanted Edgware Road.
There are two stations on the London Rail and Tube map called St Margarets. One is on the Hertford East Branch line, the other is on the Waterloo to Reading line and the Kingston and Hounslow loops.
The Limehouse cut's history would be an interesting start to any series on the history of the canals in London. The Surrey canal would be more challenging
Over the decades they seemed to have named stations to appeal to the public commuters, rather than actual location. So since this is on the boundary then I am on the fence!
Excellent video , Jago. My first job was in the city and I travelled from Laindon to Fenchurch daily, and Limehouse was called Stepney East , also I remember Tilbury riverside as a station too. Occasionally , when there were problems we got diverted to the Bow curve and ended up at Stratford , then back to barking . I do remember at Limehouse - the track split into 4 lines , with 2 of them eventually becoming DLR. I also remember the old signal box at Fenchurch street and when it got removed
Jago, I've walked the length of the Regent's Park Canal many times both from Paddington /Little Venice to Limehouse and in the opposite direction too. There is much to see, so I'd love to see you doing a video on it in your own informative, and unique way.
If viewing figures always go up after mentioning Thomas, here's an idea: April Fool's video which details the history of some fictional extension of that rail network onto the mainland.
Having patrolled the streets of Limehouse, Poplar and the Isle of Dogs as a young Met. PC back in the 1960s, I found this post fascinating in many ways and have my own memories of using the underground stations of Stepney, Mile End and Bow - in pre-DLR days with no nearer rail stations for use locally then. Many's the time I alighted at Mile End Station and walked the length of Burdett Road to my accommodation above Limehouse nick in West India Dock Road. How things have changed since those days!
I’m going with the it’s whichever floats your boat answer to this. I also love the info on how Stepney came to be. Especially as he’s one of my favourite characters
Cannot recall if I have worked on Stepney, certainly did the Bluebell Land cruise with him (her?) using the victorian coaches. Have done cleaning of the wheels on Sutton at Spa Valley.
Thank you for this explanation. I have always wondered why the station suddenly changed name. I still think of it as Stepney anyway, and yes I travel on the C2C line (pre Covid)
Stepney was the Headparish (St Dunstan) . Limehouse is what one would have been called Chaplery of Stepney. Abutting Limehouse was Ratcliffe, that has fallen into disuse now and is now generally thought as Limehouse, too. Hope that adds some context.
What i really like about your vids is seeing the bits of London that we dont normally see. For instance the marinas you have shown us in this vid. Even though im up north and have only ever been to London 3 times.
I lived in Limehouse for 20 years - then they renamed it Westferry - but when I talk about Limehouse to friends they imagine Westferry area, not Stepney
Great video Jago and thanks. Having lived at Westferry and travelled through Limehouse (and used the Fenchurch St Line a lot) a lot I always wanted to know more on this subject... and now I do. You are my answers to my inquisitive interests!!!
Mention of Fenchurch St station always reminds me of the long-gone goods depots at Hayden Square, Goodmans Yard and Commercial Rd. Not much remains of any of these, all gone by 1975.
Wife and I visited Limehouse after being re-routed from our holiday plan. We truly enjoyed the area. Being from Philadelphia, we were no strangers to trains, subways, etc. When we learned Limehouse station was closed on the weekends, we jumped-on the #15 bus and had another great experience in London.
I once saw Kylie Minogue with her CP team on the DLR at Limehouse, going, presumably, to a video shoot. Appropriate for me that you 'Stepped back in time' for this vid :)
Yay Jago mentioned Stepney from Thomas this deserves a thumbs up! And he even made a reference to the Season 19 episode 'No Help at All' towards the end XD.
I was in London and Limehouse this past Dec. (2023) I visited the building there at Approach Basin seen at 5:16 and walked all around that area, used the Limehouse DLR station and visited The Grape pub, it's a nice area and just a 10 min DLR ride from Tower Gateway station which was by the hotel I stayed at, London is such a cool city to visit. I yearn to return in 2024.
I miss London, 7 hours away by air, guess next year is the earliest opportunity to return, until then your videos brighten my humdrum Canadian existence.
One could always put forward the argument for Stepney having been more pertinent from 1900 to 1965 when the station lay within the respectively named Metropolitan Borough.
Yes please to a video (or more) on the Regents canal 👍 I loved the map at the end of the video; not being too familiar with that part of London I was thinking earlier on that a map would be useful to give more of an idea of where it all is (OK, so I could look online but that would interrupt watching your video and that is a no no.). Thanks as always for a fascinating video, I'm looking forward to the next one already!
Regents canal would be good since I used to work near Gunmakers Bridge. I bloke at my work remembers driving a car over the bridge and before 2000 you could park your car the park side of the bridge.
Sounds like on a Venn diagram Limehouse would be a subset of Stepney. On the TH boundary map the Limehouse neighbourhood centre lies outside Limehouse ward! Sorry, this episode would really have benefited from a local rail map to remind us of the relative geography - even a few seconds! "Stepney" was one of the first privately preserved locos (on the Bluebell Railway) which was how it got into the Thomas books. Regents Canal video would be interesting, especially told in Jago's inimitable style.
Thanks as always for your entertaining and educartional videos, Jago! ...And even more confusingly, while the LNER did take over the London & Blackwall mainline and the Bow Curve in 1923 (as you mentioned), the London, Tilbury & Southend was (oddly) controlled by the Midland Railway, and thus became part of the LMS. While the LNER ran their own trains from Fenchurch Street to Stratford and beyond, the LMS gradually became the main passenger carrier on these particular LNER tracks.
The oddity being that the idea was the grouped railways should have an equal mix of loss making and profitable routes, without creating too much local geographical monopoly
@@highpath4776 Which actually makes sense...but even before the grouping, the Midland Railway bought the LT&SR in 1912...but why? Perhaps they wanted access to Tilbury Docks or the like?
@@sewing9434 Maybe it was the only railway buyable that suited their expansion plans. ( GWR/ GC/ GE / too big to buy without a merger. The Midland I think had running rights round to the Tilbury Lines via the North London Line anyway so not a difficult thought to connect in North of London Docks traffic etc.
So that's how that Stroudley Terrier came to be named Stepney. Station names have a long record of being quite random, I did'nt realise it could be a thing with locos too... Ta.
@@caw25sha Subject of big debate in preservation nerdery..Stroudley locomotive green, I think. I've seen it anywhere between yellow and mustard, but I'm red/green colour blind, so.....
Hi Jago, I've only recently become aware of your TH-cam presentations. Such awareness arose from a conversation with a colleague who works on the Chinnor and Princes Risborough Railway. Your information is fascinating (from "Useful Beer Reviews: Doom Bar" to "Identity Crisis at Limehouse". Thank you
7:54 Ooh, nice to see the Xylonite. Back in the 80s I did a few days' sailing on that with a youth group, when it was based in Essex. Didn't know it was in Limehouse now. Or is it Stepney?
Did anyone else notice the car parked on the zebra crossing at about 5.51? I think it's a Mercedes, that's the kind of thing Mercedes drivers do. I should know, I used to be one until I bought a Jaaag.
The problem of an oversized Stepney was created in 1900 with the formation of the Metropolitan Borough of Stepney (see the wikipedia page) and it was exacerbated by further expansion later. That meant that Stepney included places that definitely were not Stepney (if you catch my drift) from Spitalfields in the NW to Limehouse in the SE. It was absorbed into the People's Republic of Tower Hamlets in the 60's and we have been trying to cut the reactionary Stepneyists (and their territorial claims) down to size ever since.
Yes please to video on the Regent’s Canal. I very recently went for a walk along the Regent’s Canal towpath after visiting the beautiful Regent’s Park.
Limehouse presumably gets its name from the practice of crushing limestone into lime dust, which was used to disinfect ships. Many port cities have an area with lime in the name, Lime Street in Liverpool being the best known.
It's named for the lime kilns that would crush and heat limestone (bought up the river from Kent) to use for plaster, mortar and whitewash. It's not clear exactly when it started but it was well-established by the 14th century when they used whitewash to paint St. Mary Matfelon Church, just outside the City, from where the surrounding area gets the name Whitechapel. (Two bits of east London trivia for the price of one, you can't beat that for a bargain)
There's a Lime Street in the City of London, no doubt with similar origins. It is now the centre of the insurance industry and I don't think there are many like kilns there any more.
Stepney trolls awaiting on the 'net; Tackling them with ease - oh "I'll show TH-cam what I can do", Gaily boasts the Jago. In and out he studies about, Like he always does, so. When he pulls ol' Limehouse out - Pop goes the Jago! - Alternate lyrics to the Thomas the Tank Engine song to "Pop Goes the Diesel", probably
The London canals would be great.
I absolutely love how a lot of the DLR runs on those brick elevated sections. Incredibly photogenic line.
It’s the best of both worlds, frequent automated metro system, combined with beautiful track. Normally you just get precast concrete.
So, it's not just me that loves everything made of brick, then?
@@stevebrown3559 Brick arches are wonderful and those that are built on the skew are especially fascinating, but if the Victorians engineers had had access to pre-stressed concrete they would certainly have used it and would have worked wonders with it.
Hahaha. I made a similar comment under Jago's previous video. Words like 𝑝ℎ𝑜𝑡𝑜𝑔𝑒𝑛𝑖𝑐, 𝑏𝑒𝑎𝑢𝑡𝑖𝑓𝑢𝑙 and 𝑤𝑜𝑛𝑑𝑒𝑟𝑓𝑢𝑙 don't automatically springs to mind when the DLR is mentioned but, with the eclectic mix of brick, water, greenery and rubble, along with a huge slice of history, make this a really interesting rail system.
Getting a driver's-eye view of the junctions, routes and stations helps to unjumble the maze a wee bit too, quite apart from being great fun for kids of all ages.
I don't think anyone else has covered the DLR to the extent that Mr.H. is achieving: long may it continue.👍👌😁
As someone who’s a frequent traveler on the U.K. canal system I’d love to see a video on canal history! ❤️
100%!
Jago might be able to do London canals, but for the rest of the country, Paul & Rebecca Whitewick is your go-to channel - they started off with abandoned railways ("Every Disused Station") but have branched out into former canals as well (possibly helped by some routes starting off as canals, then being taken over by railways - and maybe in a few cases then being taken over by roads).
If you are open minded enough to watch a channel featuring a gay couple, Foxes Afloat does narrow boat videos and they discuss the history of the areas they pass through. Colin does great work researching each show.
@@mittfh Geoff Marshall has covered some of the London canal network in the past.
@@MyBohemianDreams I’m a member of Foxes Afloat’s Patreon. It’s a wonderful channel. I’m so glad you like it too. 👍😄
"Jago gotta eat, son." *Picks himself up off the floor long enough to click like*
Jago, I humbly direct you to the Natoonsl Library of Scotland's collection of old maps. These maps show an undefined boundary crossing the Regent Canal docks and crossing Commercial Road and its tram tracks before running north along Brunton Place. These 25 inch to the mile maps from the late 1800s and early 1900s name Limehouse station as Stepney Junction and place the Limehouse curve squarely in Limehouse's St Anne parish.
I concur. An excellent resource which is invaluable to those interested in railway history. It's especially useful being able to zoom in on the maps.
As someone born and Bred in Stepney (indeed from 'Ratcliffe' Highway) and therefore an East End Oik, I'd never dream of being abusive to you Jago. Some people using the internet really need to chill out, get a life and be appreciative of your sterling efforts!
Totally agree!
Did you know that there's a mention of Ratcliffe Highway in a song (The Deserter) by Fairport Convention?
@@henrybest4057 Hi Henry - thanks for the information. I've never heard that song before. However, having just listened to it, I don't think I've missed much! 😉
@@BarryAllenMagic Tastes differ. It's one of my favourites.
@@henrybest4057 I will listen to it again Henry - one hearing may be somewhat unfair. Interesting that they must have researched Ratcliffe Highway; as it was simply 'The Highway' for many years. I notice the band originated in London - I wonder if they were from the East End?
The Limehouse Curve was also the less successful follow up to The Lambeth Walk.
Limehouse Nights was a Jazz Tune I think,
The history of London's canal system is just as fascinating as the underground. Please do more canal vids.
“Jago gotta eat, son”
Lolololol
Seriously.
Thomas is never not relevant.
thats a double negative, meaning thomas IS relevant
@@yeoldeseawitch well spotted.
This was an unexpected and hilarious diversion.
@@yeoldeseawitch that’s the point lol
I accidently saw your comment (it's top) before watching the video.
*I still wasn't prepared...*
Yes please to a Regents canal video. I’ve traversed it many times and there’s so much character & history. Well done TGW.
Regent's Canal, totally for it. A video I mean. And the canal. I'm all for both the structure itself as well as a Jago-Hazzard-video about it.
+1 on Canal video. When traveling the southern United States, I found out this tidbit:
Y’all is singular
All Y’all is plural
“Jago gotta eat son” 😂
Welcome to TH-cam popularity Jago, an infinite tsunami of "Ackchually" comments :P
a very un expected place to see a comment by you
Does anybody remember Janet Street Porter?
Hello you! Yet again!
@@SDE1994 There's no such thing. If it's a TH-cam video, there's a good chance Larry will have commented on it.
I'm not a train freak but I love your videos because of the comedy you put in and you have a very nice voice to listen too. Plus I learn something everytime. :)
Absolutely yes on a canal video Jago, yes please. Great video again, thanks.
Jago's London vids never fail to entertain me, keep it up, good sir!
Love these virtual tours of London, nice photography too.
Whoever posted abusive comments should be ashamed of themselves. I applaud your efforts on behalf of us, your loyal subscribers. Railway history forever!
Great video Jago. Yes I'd enjoy your take the Regents Canal - or even a video about the sound of one hand clapping (one of my essays when I mis-behaved at school). I'm sure you'd make a better job of it than I did!
Hope all are enjoying the wonderful Sunday.
At "Step back in time" I was expecting a Mary Poppins reference with "Step-In Time" (the chimney-sweep's song on the rooftops)
I don't have strong feelings about Stepney/Limehouse and I'm a little surprised that people get that passionate about it.
Canals would be a great idea because they were a crucial part of history and many people make videos about the train/subways but not many about the canals.
"SLIMEHOUSE!!". That is how colleagues used to refer to it (we worked fairly near in Aldgate at the time!).
Sadly some people everywhere have a derogatory view of their near neighbours.
It's a way of confirming their own feeling of self superiority.
@@thomasburke2683 Sadly some people everywhere like posting TH-cam comments putting down others for totally normal behaviour, such as making up amusing derogatory nicknames for places.
It's a way of confirming their own feeling of self superiority.
@@PiousMoltar Fantastic Pious!! "Slimehouse" rhymes with "Limehouse". It was a bit of office fun!
Jago: Ratcliffe is the worst name for a place ever
Mudchute has entered the conversation
So we are not going to see a video about Shitterton in Dorset any time soon …
There is a station in Nottinghamshire called Ratcliffe on Trent. I would imagine that name wasn't used due to possible confusion it would cause. At Norwich you can get trains to Liverpool Lime Street & London Liverpool Street. Travellers are often confused & catch the wrong service.
There are stations in Lancashire and Cheshire called Adlington. There could have been another Adlington in Cheshire but this was named Alderley Edge to avoid further confusion. The other option was to call it Preston. The present town was named after the station.
When I was a booking clerk on the underground, many people, especially American tourists, requested tickets to Liverpool or Oxford. I usually resisted the temptation to send them to Euston or Paddington for onward mainline travel.
Similarly Edgware, most expressing the wish to reach there, only wanted Edgware Road.
It's actually called Radcliffe on Trent, but East Midlands Parkway is next to Ratcliffe Power Station!
There are two stations on the London Rail and Tube map called St Margarets. One is on the Hertford East Branch line, the other is on the Waterloo to Reading line and the Kingston and Hounslow loops.
@@Andrea.583 The latter is Ratcliffe-on-Soar, I believe.
The Limehouse cut's history would be an interesting start to any series on the history of the canals in London. The Surrey canal would be more challenging
I just got to watch a Jago vid LESS THAN HALF AN HOUR AFTER ITS POSTING!!!
Over the decades they seemed to have named stations to appeal to the public commuters, rather than actual location. So since this is on the boundary then I am on the fence!
Excellent video , Jago. My first job was in the city and I travelled from Laindon to Fenchurch daily, and Limehouse was called Stepney East , also I remember Tilbury riverside as a station too. Occasionally , when there were problems we got diverted to the Bow curve and ended up at Stratford , then back to barking . I do remember at Limehouse - the track split into 4 lines , with 2 of them eventually becoming DLR. I also remember the old signal box at Fenchurch street and when it got removed
Jago, I've walked the length of the Regent's Park Canal many times both from Paddington /Little Venice to Limehouse and in the opposite direction too. There is much to see, so I'd love to see you doing a video on it in your own informative, and unique way.
Some nice shots of Xylonite Thames sailing badge in the basin there.. Spent a whole week out on that in the north sea.. 👍
Every time I hear Limehouse, I think of one of my favorite characters from the show Justified. I might rewatch that show now that I think about it.
Bloody hell, you get up early Jago. Great vid. Thanks for mentioning Thomas.
If viewing figures always go up after mentioning Thomas, here's an idea: April Fool's video which details the history of some fictional extension of that rail network onto the mainland.
You must be thinking of the train ferry between Portsmouth and the Isle of Wight.
The Thomas book’s already had a connection to London…
It's called Vicarstown. In joke based on a major shipyard at Barrow in Furness.
Having patrolled the streets of Limehouse, Poplar and the Isle of Dogs as a young Met. PC back in the 1960s,
I found this post fascinating in many ways and have my own memories of using the underground stations
of Stepney, Mile End and Bow - in pre-DLR days with no nearer rail stations for use locally then. Many's
the time I alighted at Mile End Station and walked the length of Burdett Road to my accommodation above Limehouse nick in West India Dock Road. How things have changed since those days!
This station is just like me in London, it has no idea where it is.
Yes, would like more videos around this area, especially regents canal
Glad to see the mention of Stepney the bluebell engine. #BluebellsForever
A video, or two, on Regent's Canal would be great.
Another excellent video presented in your own inimitable style - I love them. Thank you Sir Nickel.
Fascinating as usual Jago, thanks.
Thank you for these wonderful video's. Its great to see London.
I’m going with the it’s whichever floats your boat answer to this. I also love the info on how Stepney came to be. Especially as he’s one of my favourite characters
Cannot recall if I have worked on Stepney, certainly did the Bluebell Land cruise with him (her?) using the victorian coaches. Have done cleaning of the wheels on Sutton at Spa Valley.
Yes please do a video on the Regent's Canal.
Thank you for this explanation. I have always wondered why the station suddenly changed name. I still think of it as Stepney anyway, and yes I travel on the C2C line (pre Covid)
Stepney was the Headparish (St Dunstan) . Limehouse is what one would have been called Chaplery of Stepney. Abutting Limehouse was Ratcliffe, that has fallen into disuse now and is now generally thought as Limehouse, too. Hope that adds some context.
What i really like about your vids is seeing the bits of London that we dont normally see. For instance the marinas you have shown us in this vid. Even though im up north and have only ever been to London 3 times.
Ah the Limehouse or Stepney argument. My second favourite Tower Hamlets argument after 'Is it Bethnal Green or Globe Town?'.
Bethnal Green
Globe Town is a much smaller area east of Globe Road
Thanks for making a video on my local area, keep the videos coming !
I lived in Limehouse for 20 years - then they renamed it Westferry - but when I talk about Limehouse to friends they imagine Westferry area, not Stepney
Great video Jago and thanks. Having lived at Westferry and travelled through Limehouse (and used the Fenchurch St Line a lot) a lot I always wanted to know more on this subject... and now I do. You are my answers to my inquisitive interests!!!
Nice one jago. I lived there as a kid in the sixties. It will always be Stepney east for me. Thank you.
Your videos always make my Sunday 👍
Mention of Fenchurch St station always reminds me of the long-gone goods depots at Hayden Square, Goodmans Yard and Commercial Rd. Not much remains of any of these, all gone by 1975.
I love a bit of history, especially when it is well-presented. Thank you.
I was only here for the Thomas The Tank Engine content.
"Jago gotta eat, son." Replays except six times.
As usual, Good Morning, Jago!
A series on London's waterways would be pretty neat, especially considering that the canals were precursors to the railways in a sense.
Once again a fascinating informative video 👍
Wife and I visited Limehouse after being re-routed from our holiday plan. We truly enjoyed the area. Being from Philadelphia, we were no strangers to trains, subways, etc. When we learned Limehouse station was closed on the weekends, we jumped-on the #15 bus and had another great experience in London.
I love this channel
I once saw Kylie Minogue with her CP team on the DLR at Limehouse, going, presumably, to a video shoot. Appropriate for me that you 'Stepped back in time' for this vid :)
More on the canals around London please. - Now I want a station called Ratcliffe ! - Oh and 120,000 subscribers,excellent work sir.
I'll take a video about regents canal any day of the week. Love the content, always entertaining.
Limehouse, shadwell basin and wapping.
It’s bloody beautiful
Great video Jago 😃
Madness! Jago, absolute madness! I was born at the London Hospital, Stepney. Personally, I don't flipping care! It's all Stepney to me!!
Yay Jago mentioned Stepney from Thomas this deserves a thumbs up! And he even made a reference to the Season 19 episode 'No Help at All' towards the end XD.
I was in London and Limehouse this past Dec. (2023) I visited the building there at Approach Basin seen at 5:16 and walked all around that area, used the Limehouse DLR station and visited The Grape pub, it's a nice area and just a 10 min DLR ride from Tower Gateway station which was by the hotel I stayed at, London is such a cool city to visit. I yearn to return in 2024.
Wonder why LBSC had north of thames names on Locos I sort of presumed they ran goods services via the Wapping Tunnel East London Line.
Well, they did! Passenger services ran between New Cross and Liverpool Street, using "Terrier" locos like Stepney.
I miss London, 7 hours away by air, guess next year is the earliest opportunity to return, until then your videos brighten my humdrum Canadian existence.
One could always put forward the argument for Stepney having been more pertinent from 1900 to 1965 when the station lay within the respectively named Metropolitan Borough.
Yes please to a video (or more) on the Regents canal 👍
I loved the map at the end of the video; not being too familiar with that part of London I was thinking earlier on that a map would be useful to give more of an idea of where it all is (OK, so I could look online but that would interrupt watching your video and that is a no no.). Thanks as always for a fascinating video, I'm looking forward to the next one already!
I think you could get several episodes from the canals, or rivers, particularly to the East such as the River Lee.
Regents canal would be good since I used to work near Gunmakers Bridge. I bloke at my work remembers driving a car over the bridge and before 2000 you could park your car the park side of the bridge.
Sounds like on a Venn diagram Limehouse would be a subset of Stepney. On the TH boundary map the Limehouse neighbourhood centre lies outside Limehouse ward! Sorry, this episode would really have benefited from a local rail map to remind us of the relative geography - even a few seconds! "Stepney" was one of the first privately preserved locos (on the Bluebell Railway) which was how it got into the Thomas books. Regents Canal video would be interesting, especially told in Jago's inimitable style.
When dealing with a bureaucracy ridiculousness is probably the best you can expect , and "pants on head" tiers of insanity seems to be the norm.
‘Wibble’.
Top video, Wrighty!
An old 78 of Ambrose and his Orchestra taught me all I know about Limehouse. ...Well, the blue parts of it anyway.
😊 thanks jago Keep safe and well Mate
Thanks as always for your entertaining and educartional videos, Jago!
...And even more confusingly, while the LNER did take over the London & Blackwall mainline and the Bow Curve in 1923 (as you mentioned), the London, Tilbury & Southend was (oddly) controlled by the Midland Railway, and thus became part of the LMS. While the LNER ran their own trains from Fenchurch Street to Stratford and beyond, the LMS gradually became the main passenger carrier on these particular LNER tracks.
The oddity being that the idea was the grouped railways should have an equal mix of loss making and profitable routes, without creating too much local geographical monopoly
@@highpath4776 Which actually makes sense...but even before the grouping, the Midland Railway bought the LT&SR in 1912...but why? Perhaps they wanted access to Tilbury Docks or the like?
@@sewing9434 Maybe it was the only railway buyable that suited their expansion plans. ( GWR/ GC/ GE / too big to buy without a merger. The Midland I think had running rights round to the Tilbury Lines via the North London Line anyway so not a difficult thought to connect in North of London Docks traffic etc.
@@highpath4776 Makes sense. Thanks!
Always an interesting watch
Of course 'do' the Regents Canal. And if that gets you into the Grand Union, all the better.
So that's how that Stroudley Terrier came to be named Stepney. Station names have a long record of being quite random, I did'nt realise it could be a thing with locos too...
Ta.
They named one Fenchurch too (I think Fenchurch is my favourite over Stepney)
@@highpath4776 And Poplar, they clearly had high hopes...
I have some vague idea that colour was officially green.
@@caw25sha Subject of big debate in preservation nerdery..Stroudley locomotive green, I think. I've seen it anywhere between yellow and mustard, but I'm red/green colour blind, so.....
Would like to see videos on the canal system London especially that the canals have now been cleaned up which makes for some interesting walks
Hi Jago,
I've only recently become aware of your TH-cam presentations.
Such awareness arose from a conversation with a colleague who works on the Chinnor and Princes Risborough Railway.
Your information is fascinating (from "Useful Beer Reviews: Doom Bar" to "Identity Crisis at Limehouse".
Thank you
7:54 Ooh, nice to see the Xylonite. Back in the 80s I did a few days' sailing on that with a youth group, when it was based in Essex. Didn't know it was in Limehouse now. Or is it Stepney?
Did anyone else notice the car parked on the zebra crossing at about 5.51? I think it's a Mercedes, that's the kind of thing Mercedes drivers do. I should know, I used to be one until I bought a Jaaag.
Thought that was the hallmark of a BMW motorist!
He should have bought a Range Rover. They are even allowed to park on pavements. Says so in the Highway Code.
@@thomasburke2683 I thought that would be: driving right up someone's ar... I mean, exhaust pipe.
The problem of an oversized Stepney was created in 1900 with the formation of the Metropolitan Borough of Stepney (see the wikipedia page) and it was exacerbated by further expansion later. That meant that Stepney included places that definitely were not Stepney (if you catch my drift) from Spitalfields in the NW to Limehouse in the SE. It was absorbed into the People's Republic of Tower Hamlets in the 60's and we have been trying to cut the reactionary Stepneyists (and their territorial claims) down to size ever since.
Thanks for an informative video, please sir, I want some more.
Ah, the Good ole Deep South (London) accent, y'all. Seriously though, another lovely video on a Sunday.
Yes please to video on the Regent’s Canal. I very recently went for a walk along the Regent’s Canal towpath after visiting the beautiful Regent’s Park.
A great idea, thanks.♥️
Thank you for the map
Limehouse presumably gets its name from the practice of crushing limestone into lime dust, which was used to disinfect ships.
Many port cities have an area with lime in the name, Lime Street in Liverpool being the best known.
It is interesting the derogatory term Limey had nothing to do with lime, but was a reference to British ships using limes.
Okay, let me start again.
It's named for the lime kilns that would crush and heat limestone (bought up the river from Kent) to use for plaster, mortar and whitewash. It's not clear exactly when it started but it was well-established by the 14th century when they used whitewash to paint St. Mary Matfelon Church, just outside the City, from where the surrounding area gets the name Whitechapel.
(Two bits of east London trivia for the price of one, you can't beat that for a bargain)
There's a Lime Street in the City of London, no doubt with similar origins. It is now the centre of the insurance industry and I don't think there are many like kilns there any more.
Stepney East is called because it was in the East Postal District before postcodes were invented. We have had Commercial Road East, etc.
Ah. Every time time I hear Limehouse I am instantly reminded of the film The Limehouse Golem. No wonder it has a strange past.
Stepney trolls awaiting on the 'net;
Tackling them with ease - oh
"I'll show TH-cam what I can do",
Gaily boasts the Jago.
In and out he studies about,
Like he always does, so.
When he pulls ol' Limehouse out -
Pop goes the Jago!
- Alternate lyrics to the Thomas the Tank Engine song to "Pop Goes the Diesel", probably