Kage it isn't on the Fun Pimps, your a victim of your own play style, Why are you even still living in the Forest Biome doing T4 quests, you should have been doing T2 or T3 in the Desert by now then your Loot Stage would match your Game Stage.
why waste 10 spaces for the books when you can just use 1 space for the armor on you at all times and after looting the books just change the armor right there, read them, and then change your armor again
Infestation quests ARE for the reward, there is no better way to get ammo, the problem is how you are playing and what you are using, melee and shotgun for clearing POIs, 7.62 and 9mm for horde nights.
At the end, on top of the wall where you killed those two zombies, you missed an ammo pile. It was partially hidden under the soldier zombie's head, after it died. Also, you like to collect bones for glue, but you never harvest those fugazie corpses that are just laying around asking to be knifed. Lots of bones you walked away from there.
The only problem is that makes the pool of books bigger which screws over the player as a result. Currently, the only reasonable way to play is to spec only in a few things so you can actually have a decent chance at better items.
The problem is people not using hatches, wooden spikes, having proper attributes at 7+ for extra head damage and dismemberment. are the infestations tough? yes they are supposed to be the pimps made them that way from the start. What is the point of having ammo crafting then? do people not know they can craft ammo? Do people just want to turn this into a looter shooter? if folks want to just quest and loot with non waste in resources then lets remove crafting, remove food and water and just have all zombie drop loot bags every kill and have stacks of ammo in all end loot.
Chill, homie. Kage is speaking up for the casual players, new joins, and folks who don’t have or don’t want to use every single trick or exploit in the entire game. Actually, folks like you are specifically why the unfun pimps refuse to fix spawning for mobs in POIs.
Yeah, not to mention removing block placing outside LCB and LCB crafting so people stop cheating by placing spikes or hatches outside their base. Of course, some people don't consider that to be cheating, so I guess different people want different things?
@bobjob2514 maybe the casual player should then put the game on the easiest setting so the zombies die much easier. That whole casual player nonsense can be changed to lower difficulty. It doesn't change the fact that every PoI shouldn't be a loot fest. This is a survival game with crafting. If you run low on resources you craft them.
@@dcsobralwell if folks want different things then they could mod it and say hey I adjusted this and that so infestation quest PoIs give 5 stacks of 7.62 ammo or ya know just CM in the ammo back into your inventory. Taking an extreme example like LCB nonsense isn't much of an argument. Even if you want to say oh you shouldn't place blocks outside the base ok let's play that game. You can still craft ammo, You can still kite enemies, close doors behind you, break walls and not follow the silly path, go all into an attribute and perk that boosts damage so enemies die faster. Or ya know if the difficulty is a bit much lower it down to Scavenger the easiest setting and stick to the starter zone for a much easier time and easier enemies. Otherwise some folks playing the game at higher difficulties just to complain about bullet sponge enemies and how you go through so much ammo fighting them.
Just a reminder you want to complete the Sniper books, and the trader has one you haven't read. Completion will give you bulk 7.62mm crafting, which is rather important for machine guns.
I'm playing 1.0 on standard difficulty and I take infested quests for the ammo rewards. I come out vastly ahead on ammo. Some people must be cranking the difficulty up or not using melee because I cannot imagine how one could use that much ammo on tier4 and below infested quests unless they're just spraying the whole room down each time a zed appears.
14:56 You can chop those other two corpses for bones as well. That second POI not only had a lot of polymer but also electrical parts - TVs and electronics were everywhere. You can make steel tools not - they used to be OP comapred to iron.
Good morning and Happy Sunday! TY for the long video! 🙂I would really like to see a series at the checkpoint you just completed. I agree that would and could be a great place to have a base. I was carefully watching the checkpoint as you were walking through it. It tells a story of hope that went so wrong. I can see where it was a checkpoint looking for the sick and infected. The soldiers guarding it, the nurses and doctor`s trying to help the sick, the x-rays, and then it all goes wrong. The mutations and abominations with the end result where everyone became infected making it a checkpoint of death. I like it when games have a POI that tells a deeper story or opens up lore. God bless you and the family! ~John
When you are grinding for loot you should show it at something like 16x instead of skipping it. I like fast forwarding more than skipping. That way you do not need commentary, but you can go back to normal for a few seconds to show anything good you found. Also you complain about the ammo on the infestation, but your equipment does is not on par with your level. Also like you said you got a lot of 9mm but you were not spec'd into it. That sounds like a you problem. They are going to give you a mix of ammo. It is not their fault you only want one ammo type. So yes maybe with your build, with the equipment you have, and the level you are at the infestations are not the best for you.
Kage, the cop cars have been good for loot. Once in a while they will have junk, but for the most part you will find ammo and mods that you need. I was lamenting before how i wasn't finding them in my game, but I finally stumbled across them! Now i have them marked on my map for when the loot respawns. And I am a loot goblin! I enjoy a good challenge, but if i can't find some good loot while facing the challenge, then it doesn’t feel as rewarding to me. Some POIs I will go back to because the loot was too good the first time 😂. Sometimes that loot makes all difference on Horde Night!
Just to play devils advocate. Infested clears are 100% more experience with the harder zombies and the number of zombies you probably average about 3000 more exp than a normal quest not including the quest rewards which also by default give more dukes and exp. Plus the ammo use is your main concern which is valid but you are also using the least ammo efficient weapon tree and still breaking about even. A if you had a pistol or a shotgun with the same level and perks you would be using half the ammo you are. The machine gun tree is the best weapon for dealing with hoards in my opinion but it guzzles ammo.
Infestation quests give you much quicker quest as it's a -1 tier POI. The difference in size between a t4 POI and a t5 is significant. If you're trying to progress your trader tier quickly they're great.
Infestation quests from tier 4 and above are hard, what make the quests enjoyable (for me at least). Also, when you get to quest tier 4 or 5 you will usually have all the points on one melee weapon. I'm using spear as my melee weapon and it is way to good, with all the bonus any zed you kill it replenishes you stamina to full.
Im confused. I thought you checked the ammo rewards. In your videos you showed that you were getting more ammo from the infestations than you used. Dont get me wrong, I dislike trader quests all together. I dont feel like they fit well into the game, but I get that other people like them. I'm just not understanding why you changed your mind on infestations
I think if you look at the infestation quest is tier 2 with tier 3 difficulty, so it is not a great loot reward but considering the quicker run for more experience it is worth it. But looking at tier 4 POI with a tier 5 infestation would be a challenge. I find I can melee tier 4 infestation so the loot is great since I am not using my ammo. Again, the risk reward is adequate, but if you melee you make it worth it.
Is the skill point bonus from the Nerd armor a full armor set bonus? Like do you need the shoes, gloves, etc for the bonus to kick in? New system is still foggy to me.
Bro just craft your own ammo. You need to start using that wrench for brass more often. With all the gunpowder and paper you have, all ya need is the brass. Its gonna save you an insane amount of time and money
There was even more loot you missed at NDC Checkpoint Five, there was a munitions crate on the other side of the big rig truck, there were multiple ammo piles you walked right over, and there was a crate in one of those metal shed things next to the military truck where you harvested the dog carriers.
I'm happy with the loot it's not so cheese before hand the game was so easy like stupid easy like before alpha 21 the game was trash in my eyes then alpha 21 made it Crack my top 10 now that you actually have too work for your progression it's in my top 5 I don't like the new armor system but I won't complain
To me AP ammo seems to only be worth making for horde night (or maybe the highest tier infestations) If you aren't able to consistently shoot multiple zombies with one bullet it does be make sense to use it damage wise. AP ammo also damages the firearm quicker (unless that's changed)
Infestation quests have better loot in the infestation box at the end when you're in higher tier zones. In Pine forest Tier 3 I've only gotten a handful of ammo and sometimes an armor piece of schematics. I ran tier 3 infestation in desert and got a lvl 4 AK and lvl 2 Preacher gloves with bunch of ammo. Loot score jumps up in higher tier areas and loot score is higher on infestations than normal quests. So running an infestation just means that quest has the highest loot score for that area in that tier. Want better loots, quest in higher areas. They rebalanced progression so it doesn't pay off to stay in pine forest. Should really be progressing to burnt forest asap
when i first played on consol i really liked the fine touches that the minibike had diffrent acceleration and topspeed depending on the quality of the parts. mainly i think it was the battery.
ME personally I think the nerd armor is just too much trouble for the gain, but hey you could just carry it on you all of the time and read when your inventory is getting full. That way you aren't micro changing gear every 5 nano seconds and you still get the benefit of the extra chance for 2 skill points with lower odds of you accidently not swapping back to the right armor.
Just started an agility build and its awesome. Having fast attacks with the knife, the ability to jump super high and fall really far without hurting my legs has been a total life saver.
If the point behind infestation quests is just "its challenging" then there should only be tier 6 infestations. Doing something in game strictly for the challenge of it is when you've already beaten the game and are looking for more fun/ challenge.
Wait you guys do Tier IV and V infestation Quests with guns!? I go Clubbin! With some Heavy Armor. Reducing Stamina cost while maximizing Damage is what it's about. Don't forget about those sweet Zombie home runs!
You should just turn down the hardness level then you won't have to use ammo and the zombies would be easier. You seemed to really dislike using ammo and the zombies being hard
A true gamer is not there for the reward?A true gamer is there for the challenge.See how far they can get through there What out diane There may be a reward at the end, but the challenge for the gamer is approved to his self.See how far they can go Without challenges and games There's no point of planning that.
I disagree with the premise of your comment; a "true gamer" is not one thing, what works to get you through a game, is not necessarily what makes it work for me. For me, exploring and finding something that others might have overlooked is the ultimate reward of any game, combat is the least compelling part of any game for me, it is just a means to the end.
@@TheRedAngel928 I respect your opinion but challenge just for the sake of challenge with no reward is bad game design imho. If you just want the challenge then dont take the loot lol
@Kage848 do What i'm saying is I don't mind taking a look but some people like to Have certain games harder.It's the thrill of the rush that pretty Is much dangerous I have no problem with people taking Luton games.What i'm saying Is that sounds like to see people who are playing game Make it difficult on themselves For instance , in seven days to die is a survival game. If you survive in a game every time And if you die You get the thrill of the Rush I have Watching you play 7day to Is die for a very long time That many times that I seen you play that game You die every now and then I miss watching that I don't mind I just like it every now and then.In the game is a challenge for you.That's all i'm saying One more thing , part of this message may come out Wrong I am sorry
when you read a magazine you get a skill point in that skill with the Nerd armor on it rolls again to give a skill point at the % listed (his rank 2 is at 10%, rank 6 is 50%)
you complain about loot but we have all watched you walk past safes crates mailboxs and several great loot containers
Kage it isn't on the Fun Pimps, your a victim of your own play style, Why are you even still living in the Forest Biome doing T4 quests, you should have been doing T2 or T3 in the Desert by now then your Loot Stage would match your Game Stage.
why waste 10 spaces for the books when you can just use 1 space for the armor on you at all times and after looting the books just change the armor right there, read them, and then change your armor again
Infestation quests ARE for the reward, there is no better way to get ammo, the problem is how you are playing and what you are using, melee and shotgun for clearing POIs, 7.62 and 9mm for horde nights.
At the end, on top of the wall where you killed those two zombies, you missed an ammo pile. It was partially hidden under the soldier zombie's head, after it died. Also, you like to collect bones for glue, but you never harvest those fugazie corpses that are just laying around asking to be knifed. Lots of bones you walked away from there.
I kinda like the ammo rewards, it makes you want to spec in to different things or make a balanced build, rather then being op in 2 classes.
The only problem is that makes the pool of books bigger which screws over the player as a result. Currently, the only reasonable way to play is to spec only in a few things so you can actually have a decent chance at better items.
The problem is people not using hatches, wooden spikes, having proper attributes at 7+ for extra head damage and dismemberment. are the infestations tough? yes they are supposed to be the pimps made them that way from the start. What is the point of having ammo crafting then? do people not know they can craft ammo? Do people just want to turn this into a looter shooter? if folks want to just quest and loot with non waste in resources then lets remove crafting, remove food and water and just have all zombie drop loot bags every kill and have stacks of ammo in all end loot.
Chill, homie. Kage is speaking up for the casual players, new joins, and folks who don’t have or don’t want to use every single trick or exploit in the entire game.
Actually, folks like you are specifically why the unfun pimps refuse to fix spawning for mobs in POIs.
Yeah, not to mention removing block placing outside LCB and LCB crafting so people stop cheating by placing spikes or hatches outside their base.
Of course, some people don't consider that to be cheating, so I guess different people want different things?
@@dcsobral OMG Dan, I have never agreed with you more :D
@bobjob2514 maybe the casual player should then put the game on the easiest setting so the zombies die much easier.
That whole casual player nonsense can be changed to lower difficulty. It doesn't change the fact that every PoI shouldn't be a loot fest. This is a survival game with crafting. If you run low on resources you craft them.
@@dcsobralwell if folks want different things then they could mod it and say hey I adjusted this and that so infestation quest PoIs give 5 stacks of 7.62 ammo or ya know just CM in the ammo back into your inventory.
Taking an extreme example like LCB nonsense isn't much of an argument. Even if you want to say oh you shouldn't place blocks outside the base ok let's play that game. You can still craft ammo, You can still kite enemies, close doors behind you, break walls and not follow the silly path, go all into an attribute and perk that boosts damage so enemies die faster.
Or ya know if the difficulty is a bit much lower it down to Scavenger the easiest setting and stick to the starter zone for a much easier time and easier enemies. Otherwise some folks playing the game at higher difficulties just to complain about bullet sponge enemies and how you go through so much ammo fighting them.
Just a reminder you want to complete the Sniper books, and the trader has one you haven't read. Completion will give you bulk 7.62mm crafting, which is rather important for machine guns.
I'm playing 1.0 on standard difficulty and I take infested quests for the ammo rewards. I come out vastly ahead on ammo. Some people must be cranking the difficulty up or not using melee because I cannot imagine how one could use that much ammo on tier4 and below infested quests unless they're just spraying the whole room down each time a zed appears.
Told you last 5 videos cop cars good also really helps with spare ammunition for the infestation or horde night
I think the infestations give more xp. So theres the reward for your challenge?
i take infested for the ammo at the end and extra XP
14:56 You can chop those other two corpses for bones as well.
That second POI not only had a lot of polymer but also electrical parts - TVs and electronics were everywhere.
You can make steel tools not - they used to be OP comapred to iron.
Good morning and Happy Sunday! TY for the long video! 🙂I would really like to see a series at the checkpoint you just completed. I agree that would and could be a great place to have a base. I was carefully watching the checkpoint as you were walking through it. It tells a story of hope that went so wrong. I can see where it was a checkpoint looking for the sick and infected. The soldiers guarding it, the nurses and doctor`s trying to help the sick, the x-rays, and then it all goes wrong. The mutations and abominations with the end result where everyone became infected making it a checkpoint of death. I like it when games have a POI that tells a deeper story or opens up lore. God bless you and the family! ~John
When you are grinding for loot you should show it at something like 16x instead of skipping it. I like fast forwarding more than skipping. That way you do not need commentary, but you can go back to normal for a few seconds to show anything good you found.
Also you complain about the ammo on the infestation, but your equipment does is not on par with your level. Also like you said you got a lot of 9mm but you were not spec'd into it. That sounds like a you problem. They are going to give you a mix of ammo. It is not their fault you only want one ammo type. So yes maybe with your build, with the equipment you have, and the level you are at the infestations are not the best for you.
Kage, the cop cars have been good for loot. Once in a while they will have junk, but for the most part you will find ammo and mods that you need. I was lamenting before how i wasn't finding them in my game, but I finally stumbled across them! Now i have them marked on my map for when the loot respawns.
And I am a loot goblin! I enjoy a good challenge, but if i can't find some good loot while facing the challenge, then it doesn’t feel as rewarding to me. Some POIs I will go back to because the loot was too good the first time 😂. Sometimes that loot makes all difference on Horde Night!
Just to play devils advocate. Infested clears are 100% more experience with the harder zombies and the number of zombies you probably average about 3000 more exp than a normal quest not including the quest rewards which also by default give more dukes and exp. Plus the ammo use is your main concern which is valid but you are also using the least ammo efficient weapon tree and still breaking about even. A if you had a pistol or a shotgun with the same level and perks you would be using half the ammo you are. The machine gun tree is the best weapon for dealing with hoards in my opinion but it guzzles ammo.
Infestation quests give you much quicker quest as it's a -1 tier POI. The difference in size between a t4 POI and a t5 is significant. If you're trying to progress your trader tier quickly they're great.
using all the melee weapons I can say that my favorite is the Spear.
1- Spear
2- Baton
3- Knifes
4- Club
5- Sledgehammer
They just nerfed lockpicking, it is not helping you for workstations after 15 magazines...!
You forgot to loot an sealed crate in final loot room.
I was nearly screaming
Youeere looking right at the crate too
Sorry lol
Infestation quests from tier 4 and above are hard, what make the quests enjoyable (for me at least). Also, when you get to quest tier 4 or 5 you will usually have all the points on one melee weapon. I'm using spear as my melee weapon and it is way to good, with all the bonus any zed you kill it replenishes you stamina to full.
Im confused. I thought you checked the ammo rewards. In your videos you showed that you were getting more ammo from the infestations than you used.
Dont get me wrong, I dislike trader quests all together. I dont feel like they fit well into the game, but I get that other people like them. I'm just not understanding why you changed your mind on infestations
I think if you look at the infestation quest is tier 2 with tier 3 difficulty, so it is not a great loot reward but considering the quicker run for more experience it is worth it. But looking at tier 4 POI with a tier 5 infestation would be a challenge. I find I can melee tier 4 infestation so the loot is great since I am not using my ammo. Again, the risk reward is adequate, but if you melee you make it worth it.
Is the skill point bonus from the Nerd armor a full armor set bonus? Like do you need the shoes, gloves, etc for the bonus to kick in? New system is still foggy to me.
Bro just craft your own ammo. You need to start using that wrench for brass more often. With all the gunpowder and paper you have, all ya need is the brass.
Its gonna save you an insane amount of time and money
Risk vs reward. I agree with you. More challenging should give you more and better loot.
The loot stage dictates rewards. If you dont invest in looting, you wont get great loot. Also nobody makes you do the quest.
Do you remember the coordinates by any chance? Really enjoyed the video though👍
16:34 "Oh I gotta walk out and go all the way around" ... while you have building blocks on your main bar. XD
Infested give you good XP and Dukes for the trader rewards. They are worth doing.
I usually run into POI waking all the zeds, this way is faster to kill them and easier.
There was even more loot you missed at NDC Checkpoint Five, there was a munitions crate on the other side of the big rig truck, there were multiple ammo piles you walked right over, and there was a crate in one of those metal shed things next to the military truck where you harvested the dog carriers.
Infestations are fun and yea the loot could be better but your also getting alot more XP from all the kills.
If no one has suggested it why not ask them to make infestations like wondering horeds more chances of loot bags?
my friend and i broke into the police station day 1 and set up shop there great poi to live in next to our trader and easy access to a vending machine
I remember the checkpoint poi from an older kage multiplayer video
you try to knife the bio bags of zombies and the half zombies for resource
What about eye kandy that raises loot stage as well why not save up some of those for the hard quests
I agree strongly with you about infested quests.
When using armor piercing rounds put points into penetrator it boosts them.
On console players are they going to have quest on their are you even know?
Yeah, skip infested unless they up the loot.
Hiya Kage, in case you didn't notice you unlocked AK-47 tier 5. 👍
Wrench the search lights on top off check point
That ain’t green jacket it’s Skelator 😂
No incentive at all i feel the problem there 4:50
Ya need the full set 25 % chance for 2
I'm happy with the loot it's not so cheese before hand the game was so easy like stupid easy like before alpha 21 the game was trash in my eyes then alpha 21 made it Crack my top 10 now that you actually have too work for your progression it's in my top 5 I don't like the new armor system but I won't complain
To me AP ammo seems to only be worth making for horde night (or maybe the highest tier infestations)
If you aren't able to consistently shoot multiple zombies with one bullet it does be make sense to use it damage wise. AP ammo also damages the firearm quicker (unless that's changed)
Dude, what ever you do stay away from the athletics club, it goes from 0-100 real quick lol.
Infestation quests have better loot in the infestation box at the end when you're in higher tier zones. In Pine forest Tier 3 I've only gotten a handful of ammo and sometimes an armor piece of schematics. I ran tier 3 infestation in desert and got a lvl 4 AK and lvl 2 Preacher gloves with bunch of ammo.
Loot score jumps up in higher tier areas and loot score is higher on infestations than normal quests. So running an infestation just means that quest has the highest loot score for that area in that tier. Want better loots, quest in higher areas. They rebalanced progression so it doesn't pay off to stay in pine forest. Should really be progressing to burnt forest asap
Fun Pimps going to Fun Pimps.
Dont forget that in the live stream, you have a tier 6 chest piece. Here, you only have a tier 2. Lower chances of getting doubles
You missed every barrel in that large POI probably at least 500 fuel
when i first played on consol i really liked the fine touches that the minibike had diffrent acceleration and topspeed depending on the quality of the parts. mainly i think it was the battery.
I thought the mini bike actually seemed faster. Great series bro keep them coming 👍
Love it.
ME personally I think the nerd armor is just too much trouble for the gain, but hey you could just carry it on you all of the time and read when your inventory is getting full. That way you aren't micro changing gear every 5 nano seconds and you still get the benefit of the extra chance for 2 skill points with lower odds of you accidently not swapping back to the right armor.
Great point, I wasn't gonna use it cuz seemed like a pain, but using one spot in your inventory is something I didn't think of...
MAKE BETTER WEAPONS, please 🙏
1.0 is truly the best this game ever has been in all aspects
Keep it up Kage, liking the long video's alot
Just started an agility build and its awesome.
Having fast attacks with the knife, the ability to jump super high and fall really far without hurting my legs has been a total life saver.
That's what I'm doing too, been awesome! I found a lvl 2 machete, but I'm not sure if it's better than hunting knife... what you think?
About time longer videos
LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I don't have infestation quest is that a mod?
You won’t always get one. Try again next in game day.
They also only start at Tier 2
If the point behind infestation quests is just "its challenging" then there should only be tier 6 infestations.
Doing something in game strictly for the challenge of it is when you've already beaten the game and are looking for more fun/ challenge.
Easy infestation fix for the developers. Increase loot bag drops for those zombies.
Edit: That POI would make a good team base on multiplayer.
Wait you guys do Tier IV and V infestation Quests with guns!? I go Clubbin! With some Heavy Armor. Reducing Stamina cost while maximizing Damage is what it's about. Don't forget about those sweet Zombie home runs!
should loot and clear it before you start it as it resets when you start it so double lootage win win
You should just turn down the hardness level then you won't have to use ammo and the zombies would be easier. You seemed to really dislike using ammo and the zombies being hard
I do lol. I like to collect ammo. I dont need to turn it down though, its fine
Does anybody else see how great it is when he's inside of a
Building ?
A true gamer is not there for the reward?A true gamer is there for the challenge.See how far they can get through there What out diane There may be a reward at the end, but the challenge for the gamer is approved to his self.See how far they can go Without challenges and games There's no point of planning that.
I disagree with the premise of your comment; a "true gamer" is not one thing, what works to get you through a game, is not necessarily what makes it work for me. For me, exploring and finding something that others might have overlooked is the ultimate reward of any game, combat is the least compelling part of any game for me, it is just a means to the end.
@CindyDCat ok it cool. I understand
@@TheRedAngel928 I respect your opinion but challenge just for the sake of challenge with no reward is bad game design imho. If you just want the challenge then dont take the loot lol
@Kage848 do What i'm saying is I don't mind taking a look but some people like to Have certain games harder.It's the thrill of the rush that pretty Is much dangerous I have no problem with people taking Luton games.What i'm saying Is that sounds like to see people who are playing game Make it difficult on themselves For instance , in seven days to die is a survival game. If you survive in a game every time And if you die You get the thrill of the Rush
I have Watching you play 7day to Is die for a very long time That many times that I seen you play that game You die every now and then I miss watching that I don't mind I just like it every now and then.In the game is a challenge for you.That's all i'm saying One more thing , part of this message may come out Wrong I am sorry
@@TheRedAngel928 Don't be sorry. I get what you're saying. Thank you for the comment :D
The Nerd perk says extra Skill Point chance not extra book chance, very curious how that actually works.
when you read a magazine you get a skill point in that skill with the Nerd armor on it rolls again to give a skill point at the % listed (his rank 2 is at 10%, rank 6 is 50%)
Alao they could make infestations a breakthrough quest to get to the next tier
Thats a good idea lol
If you want better frames turn off the sun shafts.
love ur videos kage848