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Customer States: Steering feels Loose! Jeep Grand Cherokee! 4.7
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As long as there are Jeeps, you’ll always be busy. That’s a Jeep thing😂.
I am sorry a Jeep abused you at a young age
@@sheerwillsurvival2064 Since when was age an issue?
@@stevewhite3424 oh man you too maybe it’s the way you treated her 😂
Truth!
'I am going to recommend him junk the Jeep and buy my Cruiser. It will just die without the death wobble.'
The screw/nut combo on top of the steering box is designed to remove that slack. If you loosen the nut and then tighten the screw, you can adjust the play in the steering box play without replacing the entire box.
I know this is old school repairs rather than today's replace it motif but it works and it isn't dangerous. It comes from the day where you expected to repair something rather than just throw parts at something.
You're welcome.
Yeah, but you can only adjust out so much wear and these worm gears tend to wear with the steering wheel on-center. If you adjust the screw too much and take the on-center slop out the steering will bind in turns and that is bad.
This box needs to be replaced.
@@aaroncostello8812 ive rebuilt these in my previous job and your are right on. Also having it too tight off centre can also stop the wheels from auto-centering which can also be bad when turning a corner.
Use a beam torque wrench to verify preload on the steering gear. This is a good fix, by the way.
It probably takes upwards of 250k miles to actually wear the gear to the point of requiring an actual replacement, which, by the way, may be of dubious "rebuild" quality.
As an aside, I have 3 WJ, all with over 250k miles, all maintenance by me.
But you know it and I know it, They will tell the customer that they need a complete new Saginaw steering box for about $850.00 + Labor.
It's like driving an old farm tractor down the road, you gotta do lots of sawing to keep her straight! 😂
I had an old gmc jimmy that was like that. Lol
Or the old Bedford bus, with the straight cut gearbox, and around 5 inches of play in the steering box and linkages. Did I mention this drove on mountain passes, and the brakes could often be called optimistic, especially when hot.
There's a difference between a tractor & a Jeep? 🤔🙃😉😊
@@GARDENER42 Yes, the tractor has lower running cost and better fuel economy and performance.
Yeah, but those are supposed to do that; or at least, that's what one would expect from something like that. A late model Jeep (thing), not so much...
Jeep’s are made to wander 😎
Under A wandering star? Ha
Good day to you Ray another most excellent video Ray but the most important thing is to have your self a great day Ray
Many have commented that you can adjust the nut at the top of the steering box to take out the slack. That's true but the wear is in the centre position with absolutely minimal wear heading towards left and right lock. If adjusted to compensate for wear in the centre, when turned, the steering really tightens up (well beyond reasonable) on both locks. That wear problem can only be fixed on a higher mileage vehicle by replacing the steering head. Each of the steering tie rod ends (plus the idler arm - though this specific vehicle does not have one) also need to be checked. All steering components tend to wear out together, or at minimum, all needs to be checked thoroughly. Retired mechanic in Land Down Under.
If I am not mistaken, there is an adjustment on top of the steering box to take up slack in the worm gear
Have a great Memorial Day @Rainman Ray's Repairs
"End of transmission" - what a great way to condemn a gearbox!
I think that main drag link needs to be replaced. Steering Boxes/Gear boxes use to be able to be adjusted to remove play like that. It looked like from the video the top of the steering gear box still had the adjuster and lock nut so the worn gear can be adjust to remove that slop.
More $ if you replace it.. Thats how it works.
@@TheJcrandazzo I think more like a job that you can guarantee. There is probably a limit to how much slack you can take up with the adjuster. If it were one's own car, for sure try that first. But a customer? And n three weeks they take it to another shop because you 'didn't really fix it' and there is still play.
Shops that are in business have to make choices between high labour costs, high parts costs and customer satisfaction.
@@leosmith848 Or you can tell them they have a couple of options. #1, the cheap one, we can try adjusting the box, it may not last but if it does you lucked out. If it doesn't we'll need to replace the box. #2, replace the box.and be done with it.
@@JeffDeWitt In my experiences garages have had too many customers come back and say 'I paid you to fix this' - mostly they wont do it. They want a brand new part to replace the worn, so they *know* that it wont be give the customer any problems. Sure they can go to extremes. I was quoted £3000 for a new differential unit, and went to an independent, who didnt want to take it on, but in the end changed the pinion oil seal for £200, and totally fixed it. After I had insisted that I wanted to take the risk
You might try to tighten up the worm gear on top of the gearbox. I recently went with a new steering gear box on my 2000 WJ 2WD 4.0 which made a big improvement after trying to adjust the worm gear to reduce the slop which helped a little... I bought it cheap last year with only 70k miles and since have replaced all the steering components. Solid front axles can be real tricky, especially if lifted. WJ's have the odd combination of uni-body construction with a solid front axle.
The adjustment on top is for the pitman shaft preload; if the pitman shaft isn't wobbly, that's not going to help. And if the pitman shaft *is* wobbly, it won't help for very long. On some really old vehicles, there was an adjustment for the sector backlash on the top cover, but this isn't one of them.
@@helenault7452
Ah! I just posted about the backlash adjustment found on many such steering boxes. The box usually leaks past the pitman shaft oil seal, in my experience, if the shaft wobbles sideways. This one seems to be a tight fit.
@@helenault7452 👍 Exactly... this is why I replaced the box.
@@toploadteleWhere did you buy the steering box from & is it remanufactured or all new?
@@TireSlayer55 A reman from Autozone... it works fine!
Steering like the truck in the Fall Guy lol
The old day steering gear boxes had an adjustment to take slack out of the worm gear to tighten up the steering tension . I miss the good old times .
I got an 04 4.7 WJ (same gen) who's steering is starting to get a bit loose. The repair vid on this should be quite educational for me. Looking forward to it. But, for now, back to building the rear axle.
I miss seeing clean WJ's. Great find as always.
I had one but got into a bad reck she saved my unborn daughter life miss it too sue never leaked has 250k miles on her
@@jessejarvis3646hey are built tough! I had a drunk driver run into mine while parked… pushed the whole Jeep about 10 feet forward and over the curb. The other driver’s bumper tagged my rear tire, which broke the rear axle housing, but luckily there was pretty minimal body damage. I replaced just the broken axle without having to do anything else and am still daily driving it like four years later. Love this Jeep!
You can adjust slack from top of steering box.
good day to you Ray ❤
If memory serves, you can adjust the play out of steering boxes. At least we could back in the sixties and early seventies.
Why adjust it when you can replace it.. $$$$$$$$$$
@@TheJcrandazzo adjusting is probably easier than replacing and then move onto another easy job. If you charge an hourly rate with a minimum per job you make more. Getting a bit more by taking the time to adjust pays more than a customer not bothering to come back or finding someone cheaper
Better customer satisfaction because the job is done now without having to return.
Replacing things like egr components rather than trying to clean them is better for everyone but most of the time i suspect only the part sellers win by replacing rather than adjusting things. Also a customer will probably be more comfortable replacing things themselves more than doing an adjustment which might seem better to have experience to do. Replacing things degrades the value of a mechanic's knowledge.
@@TheJcrandazzo Because replacements aren't always available. I have to send mine to be rebuilt if I want replacement.
@@derekhobbs1102 Yes... I can't exactly go to AutoZone and pick up a new steering box for my Studebaker Champ.
Thanks for the unexpected holiday weekend video post, sir! May your day with the family be a great joy.
Was just searching for a new video….thanks!
I took the weekend off
@@RainmanRaysRepairs how dare you! Just kidding Ray you do you bro!
@@RainmanRaysRepairs Good for you man...enjoy the time off!
I suspect there is a lot of routine repair work going thru Ray's shop we never know about. It's not just a Jeep thing. Hope everyone had a good holiday weekend.
as others have said already but if it has the clearence to tighten up the gears would try that first.
Love your videos
Steering gear boxes used to have an adjustment to tighten the gears to reduce the slop. But that was back in the 1960's.
2:00 that nut and bolded part looks like a bike set clamp of a 10 speed like lol
@@SimrKhera underneath the seat
Worst steering I have ever encountered was 2FULL turns of the steering wheel to guide a forklift (over 60 years ago, I was 16 at the time) Scary.
Reminds me of the older Ford trucks that had the twin I beam front axle. I knew a very good front end and alignment guy that always said, If you could drive a ford pickup, you could trowel cement! Keep up with the good work Ray. I'm hopeful that Troy really watches and learns. It's really great that you can mentor and teach Troy to be a top notch technician with honesty and integrity.
g`day ray i was settling in for a nice hour of fixing a jeep's steering but its only a short diagnostic video good video and looking forward to the fix if you get the job but i must admit a little disappointed i like your more longer videos lol... cheers mate and have a great memorial day with the family
Note to those swapping steering gearboxes... the four fasteners on WJ steering box are accessible under front wheel well.
Remove wheel, Remove wheel well liner, Remove Air Filter Box nuts from below, turning fasteners inside air box will get you nothing. Remove Air Filter Box. Remove washer bottle.
Remove steering coupler, Remove Pitman Arm.
------> Apply heat from heat gun to soften the blue thread locker on four Steering Gear screws, before attempting to remove the screws.
The guy who thought videos were too long got his wish. He won't be happy until he can watch the whole video in the time he takes with his girlfriend, so there's still a ways to go. Get these videos under 8 seconds if you could, Ray. Kthx
I like the full 30 minutes or more videos 8 minutes won't help much
If you think a video is too long do what I do, i watch a little at a time of gives me something to look forward to as well, yes some of his videos do ramble on a bit, going back and forth to the tool box and sometimes a lot of nonsense, as Joe Friday used to say, just the facts ma'am just the facts, in the movie industry they call it padding, unnecessary content to pad the film to make it longer.
I really hope he wasn't listening and this is just a preview.....
I only made it through one beer on this video. I need longer videos!!!! By the way Ray, I have a PT cruiser project I'm currently working on. Cat, plugs, valve cover gasket and watts link. I find myself saying "Click" a lot. LOL!!!!
Pills Buried Dough it's way too short ! 3:33 ? Unlike your subscription list. I'm not sure if TH-cam has 2 second videos, I got the joke.
Yup, it's a Jeep thing. Thanks for the video today. Enjoy your Memorial Day.🙏🙏🙏♥️♥️♥️😊😊😊
I had an old Chevy pickup built in the 70's that did that...
Back then, we called it a factory option!
🤣🤣🤣
I like the eights. I really prefer the Fireball eight straight 8. That was what was in my dad's 1949 Buick Roadmaster convertible.
I think I saw that adjustment available on the steering box. Personally, I would have taken the slop out of the worm gear.
What a nice looking Jeep! My parents had one of these, 2001 dark green Laredo 4.7 bought used when I was 6 years old. Was a lovely car.
Sold it with 220,000 Kms on it after a year or so to a guy who was exporting it to Germany. It's lovely to see cars from my younger years still on the road!
Love that you have Troy caster now
Happy Memorial Day Ray.
Had a bit too much play in the steering on my 1985 Mazda RX-7 with 147k miles. Adjusted the preload very slightly on the steering box which put it back in spec.
Have a Happy Memorial Day!!
Mine did the same thing to the threads on the drag link. Almost smoothed them completely.
Great video
Those steering boxes have an adjustment that allows the slop to be tightened. In the old days with manual steering the guideline was 1 to 2" of play in the steering wheel. I once bought an old high mileage 59 Chevy Impala that had a half turn of play. I tightened the steering box adjustment all the way and got the play down to 2".
4x4 and AWD put extra wear and tear on steering components . Just replaced steering box to the control arms in my AWD safari . It's not cheap but it's money well spent .
I have a 97 Astro AWD, fixing to do the same.
Back in the 70s, I worked for a local Manatee Co police department. Besides law enforcement duties, I also did PM on the cars. I had a gripe for a similar problem. Inspection revealed that 3 of 4 bolts in the rag joint were gone and the 4th was missing the nut.
Happiness is seeing a Rainaman video as it drops.
Lol, must drive like a farm truck, need the rows in the field keep the tires straight.
Miss the 5am uploads...
Suffering from insomnia is the WORST.
Admittedly, your videos are what usually gets me to sleep, for less than 2 hours until my 7am alarm goes off.
God bless you and your family Ray, and wife unit 😉🤣
That looks like a recirculating ball steering gear. Though we did not get a good look at the gear box. You ought to be able to tighten the gear and reduce the slack.
Nice call Ray
The fact that there are numbers of people who buy and own Jeep vehicles means you will never run out of work.
🚜🛣🪚 Driving an old farm tractor on the road is a unique experience indeed! The constant sawing motion required to keep it straight adds a touch of challenge and excitement to the journey. It's like mastering a skill that not everyone can handle. I'm curious to see how the loose steering issue in the Jeep Grand Cherokee will be addressed. Let's dive into the solution! 🚙🔧💪
On the OLD vehicles they're was a bolt in the top of the steering gear to take out slop. 1/4 torn and tight again
Jeeps. You gotta love ‘em.
In Australia the Jeeps had an issue with the steering box ripping out the chassis.
Great job team Ray and caster tro
Yup…jeep stuff. Done the same thing on my 03 tj last summer.
Good Day Ray!
thankyou Ray,,sure looks dodgy under there,,have a good day,,👌👍
Yup, it's a Jeep/Chrysler thing ... a worn gearbox...always need to tighten up the slack with the adjuster screw at the top ... 🤣🤣🤣
It's called bump steer.😊
It might not be a factor but those steering boxes have an adjustment nut on the top to tighten or loosen the gear mesh.
If the gear is not worn, the amount of slop will be consistent lock to lock and you can adjust it to remove the free play. If the gear is warn, slop will go away one direction and get progressively worse going the other direction indicating asymmetric wear on the gear set in which case, it's junk.
Thats a nice Jeep and good thing they brought it in before losing steering. friend has a 2002 Overland model like that , that little v8 is quick for being stock ! lol
Jeepman Ray keeping busy.
Chrysler steering boxes get worn out every few years, there's a lot of options for upgraded ones.
Not on a stock Jeep. If you drive it with a wore out draglink it’s gonna wear the gear box prematurely. There’s adjustment to tighten the slip
@waterloo123100 that too, that's what I said but I deleted it before you read my comment, wasn't sure if it was the actual issue and didn't want to make an add of myself
Happy memorial day to you and family ray
I own a 2000 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo v6. Had to put tons of money into it to keep it running. People are right when they say JEEP stands for Just Empty Every Pocket.
Happy memorial day Mr Ray hope y'all have a great day
Upgraded from PT Cruisers to Jeeps
All the Jeep things!
What a gorgeous example of a WJ...
Well good day to you Ray working on another Jeep LOL
I should not be disappointed because I know tomorrow on Tuesday you’re going to give us a one hour video in my right Ray? God bless you Ray your family your friends and your viewers and your business.✝️✝️✝️🇺🇸
Perhaps check the rag joint too?
Thanks for the quickie honey
Thanks!
thank you for my raynman fix.
you will want to check the threads on that centerlink
RAY my day is complete
From the marks on that shaft it looks like they hit something.
Oh crap first the draglink and steering gear, and now the transmission.
this actually might solve my issue in my chevy malibu I've been having. Thank you for recording this
I don't know what year your malibu is, but they have electric power steering.
@@bruceaugustine6486 05, and i know that but what im saying is i changed my tie rods and it didnt fix it like i was hoping, so it gave me a deeper insight into where to look to potentially see an issue
@@smohhking6578 Check all the bushings, stabilizer bar, upper and lower ball joints, front strut bushings and wheel bearings, steering knuckles, intermediate steering shaft, also steering rack, they tend to leak out of the boots on the end, look for movement inward and outward.
@@bruceaugustine6486 oh damn alright will do, appreciate ya :)
The best way to adjust the worm gear is to remove it from the vehicle IF it is not worn very bad. Go by the book instructions as you can tighten in up too much in the center and it CAN jam at the extreme travel turning right or left and it will NOT return to the center by itself. If it is too worn in the center, replace with a rebuilt or new steering gear. Don't buy a junk yard replacement. Your life can depend on this. Spend the money and stay alive.
Welcoming back!
well that was quick
Oh my! That’s not OK!!!!!
I feel like Ray is becoming a jeep repair specialist lol
Wow, that was dangerous looking, !
Adjust the sector shaft in the steering gear to remove the play.
All Jeeps should have an old-style taxi fare counter running. Constantly.
Funny I had a 1996 Grand Cherokee and have the steering setup lol
Short and sweet 😂
I legit just redid all my steering and suspension on my car, I feel like youtube is mocking me.
My 01 XJ had an alignment was perfect then the steering was suddenly loose same thing happened my guy ended up putting lock nuts on
gear box adjust screw maybe half turn in would have fixed slop in gear.
no just jeep thing my Suzuki had that too.
Replace every front end part and it'll still drive like a straight axle. People expect them to drive like their sedans when your done.
That owner was close to ghost riding his jeep.
It's not faulty, the customer had the movie steering mod installed. We've all seen that mod in action in heaps of movies and TV shows, where they are always moving the steering wheel left and right but the car keeps driving straight 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
LOL in the 40's and 50's just about every US made vehicle steered like that.
Back in the day, that steering gearbox had an adjustment to remove excess steering wheel play. Check it out before replacing the box. That steering linkage setup is identical to the setup on a 1977 F150 I owned.
With the steering wheel centered, you set the right wheel toe with the main sleeve. Then you set the left wheel toe with the left side sleeve. So easy a caveman could do it!
The drag link (the part with the loose collar in the video) runs from the steering box to the right steering knuckle and is for adjusting the steering wheel. The bar just below that (center link) is for setting the total toe. In this case, the toe adjustment is separate from the steering wheel adjustment.
Is there no slack adjustment [backlash] screw on the very top of the steering box? Most recirculating ball steering boxes have such an adjustment to take up the free-play.
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