i prefer this to every servant being meta defining. if every servant was the next space ishtar or koyanskaya, power creep would render servants just 2 or 3 years old, painfully in need of buffs.
Yeah, sometimes many people and some content creators act as if every new unit needs to be the newest meta thing, I'm so glad Lasagna understands that we don't need every character to be the best, they just need to be good enough so that if you like them you'll enjoy using them.
It's not only about defining meta and power creeping seevants. As Durga/Kali she could've had some unusual mecahanics to show that she is a goddess of destruction. Or maybe play around her turning into Kali. And etc. It shouldn't necessarily be something broken.
Yeah, if they move the bar up a lot it becomes like FEH or other mobile games where that new unit you got is bad a year down the line because rampant power creep makes the devs constantly one up all the characters. Sometimes someone like Tiamat is released or what have you, but even Tiamat doesn't invalidate other farmers particularly farmers that you already have high NP levels on.
All of this could be solved easily if the devs weren't idiots about buffing. Like, seriously? 1 buff per month? Just fucking buff 10 Servants at once, most of the buffs are just some values increase anyways.
Durga reminds me a lot of Kyokutei Bakin. QQAAB deck, bad card gain, pretty good refund, and double NP niches (one being demonic). Durga shines a bit brighter for me, though, because even if she has less raw arts boosting, she can do something for the rest of the deck. If Bakin doesn't get her arts cards, no loop. Durga can at least guarantee that those bad cards can be arts. She can theoretically NP-A-A two turns in a row without deck resets. Also, pierce invuln is a great niche. Ultimately, Bakin's only edge is a wider spread of card buffs and more of a crit focus. Also Demonic overlaps with Evil more often than Sky. At least Durga has almost no competition. Imagine having to compete with RiderVinci, Odysseus, and Habetrot...
Bakin is probably one of the SSRs who got forgotten the quickest. Nobody cared about her post her event. I don't see any fan art of her, or anyone talking about/using her, etc.
@@jorge15266 Actually, I’ve seen a decent amount of people talk about Bakin in my friend circle once in a while… but it’s usually comparing how cool Tamemoto is to her. (I love Tamemoto, but man, he totally stole her thunder)
It’s fairly clear that they’ve decided to just make some average to good characters and let the personalities determine the rolls. There’s overlap, but the average player probably isn’t going to whale for each AoE arts looper, so having a good spread is probably for the best. I’d rather have a bevy of more or less equal units than have good characters become functionally useless because they need to have a unique gimmick that is at odds with how the game actually works. If another character got Jekylled, it’d be a tragedy.
Still a good choice to summon on because its nice to see something else on screen looping instead of just your Ishtar or Jarcher for the millionth time 😌
Honestly i knew I wasnt the only one who felt like this. Maybe its the just LOAD of sakurafaces we have in the game but honestly she just feels....there
@@Bhavaagra Adding more from my comment above Yeah Bhima did get more revenue so what? His arts are still below Durga/Kali who got tons of it And Kama isn't a fair comparison since she's long fan-fave So revenue =/= popularity Part of why Durga/Kali got less of revenue is because the gameplay for sure, but that doesn't invalidated her popularity at all, her role in OC1 was amazing, her being a sakuraface is a big plus, design and VA is amazing too So saying that Durga/Kali is just....there is hella wrong to me
@@Bhavaagra Kama, the one who got a whole event surrounding her for her debut? Then proceeded to get a five-star summer version and a central focus in the new OC? Who would've thought she would've pulled in more revenue?
@@PlushieMistress i mean you might not see a reason to pull for 90% of the stuff we get this year dawg , you have all the current broken servants in the game , just having high np lv junao , koyan and oberon makes any servants irrelevant in farming
you're right, a really good hot takes, even on a servant that i really like, i rolled her np5 and grailed to 120 because i like her, when i rolled i didn't even look at her kit, when i saw the fight with the alter ego npc i was like "i like her too much... i seriously wanna roll her like few servants." although I have iyo to level 120 that does more damage than durga(i tested both, level 120, 2k fous, black grail mlb, 2004 and double castoria) but i don't care, just rolled because i like her and not for gameplay, that is something apart , i even grailed dino mom to level 112(i have np3, i'm waiting for the next rate up to np5 and 120) so, i would simply say: just roll her if you like her and wanted to have at least one copy, if you do just because i wanted her, if you do roll her, u get a good arts aoe archer which can bg farming etc etch, but nothing special like summer ibuki or tezcatlipoca, just go if you wanted her, I believe that the only must roll are the supports like castoria, koyanskaya, skadi, oberon etc for gameplay, not a dps like durga. sorry for my bad english lmao
@@netomoreira3525 yes, you can 120 iyo if you get all of her coins from the event shop of guda7, with all the coins from the shop you can 120 and full append her at bond 15, i have to unlock the third append and she's complete, and what medals? the items for her ascensions?
I honestly felt the same when I first saw her. People kept praising her Looping, double anti-damage mods on her NP and her skillsets but I'm like - Dude, she can be replaced by like 10 other servants and probably do even better
Exatly. And if a new arts servant comes out i always remind myself. Do i need an another after s. ibuki who as a berserker that can loop literally everything. Its gonna be hard to powercreep summer ibuki and a normal class probably never will.
I am like dude , what does it matter , why would she be average only because others can loop ??? If she loop as well as a high tier looper , wouldnt she be one as well , bruh
@@morsayxdThe thing is if you want to roll for her for meta reasons you dont have to cus she wont be better than most of your other arts looper and if you have s.ibuki i would say dont roll for any other art looper cus u dont need them.
@@JamesKorn-nr2fc I just sad gameplay wise u dont need them. Kali is very good but her potential shines at killing sabers and her niche enemys. S.ibuki is universally good against everything not just sabers and powermod against earth attribute is the best niche a servant can have. Kali is good but not universal like s.ibuki.
Kali is painfully average(due to kama being blue first and way better summer one piece kama spiritron outfit when?) Durga is painfully hot. That is my case and that's where I'll leave it. Oh and something about gameplay and artificial connections or something
I agree with everything said in the video, but I don't know how I feel about the summer Ibuki argument Sure, if we consider an NP2 or NP3 Ibuki against NP1s of the other classes, Ibuki is better, so she's a really good option to hyperinvest into But if we compare her to other aoe arts at the same level, she's worse than most against the proper counter classes (especially considering some are even free, like habenyan, sieg or the summer valks) So it depends on what you want to do, if you really want to be efficient for farming, probably just getting summer Ibuki and get her to N3 and maybe lvl 100, would be better than having to pull for Muramasa and Kali/Jarcher and summer Melt/Vritra and potentially some others too But if you do get those other classes instead of more copies (or even just one) of summer Ibuki, they can also do other things outside of farming where they can be better than Ibuki, so it's a weird argument overall And if we really want to be optimal in terms of how many servants we need to be as good as possible at farming, probably you shouldn't even get Ibuki, you should probably just get high NP lvls of Melusine and Tiamat and you're done, or even just Arjuna Alter
That's not exactly true. I'm currently looking at numbers. Double Castoria BBG setup. All np1. Third wave damage. Ibuki with x1.5 damage: 236488 Jarcher with x1 damage: 125964 Kali with x1 damage: 133867 Percival with x1 damage: 109949 Lambda with x1 damage: 132282 Dabinchi with x1 damage: 124301 And etc. There are some outliers, like Muramasa, who deals 160k+, or Tez, who deals 170k+. But on average Ibuki deals almost the same damage as class specific loopers with class advantage. So yes, she is a valid competition for many arts loopers.
@LadislausKallig well but that's what I said, no? That she's still strictly worse than the other at the same NP lvl. But it is true that for just double Castoria BBG with 2004, which is what those numbers are (which, even for this setup, is not the best MC, Arctic would usually give you more dmg, and also Perci's numbers are wrong, he should be doing 118745, I think whoever did those calcs missed a 20% NP dmg buff, since that's the number you get if you use a 2.5 multiplier instead of the 2.7 from 80%+20%+20%+50% from BBG + first skill + NP overcharge effect + MC, although even then, he is, in fact, the only one who does strictly less dmg than Ibuki) the dmg difference is not that big (although for other classes like riders, with Habenyan, or assassins, with the summer Valks or Tezca, or sabers with Muramasa, the difference is more appreciable) But I was referring mostly for harder nodes where you need double Castoria + Oberon. The dmg comparison does change because of how some buffs stack with others, which varies for each servant, but still proper counter classes, with a few exceptions like Perci, will strictly do more dmg than Ibuki, and in a decent amount of cases (especially welfares) the dmg difference is more considerable.
I would argue maybe you downplayed her CQ utility a bit more than is warranted - her ability to work with the Castoria + Lady Avalon team makes her pretty valuable IMO and I used it to bulldoze some of the new Advanced Quests without paying attention to the rules/gimmicks set up for the fight. Otherwise, good take, and I largely agreed. I'm probably going to 120 her depending on what exactly gets released with the Anniversary this year - I will have to reconsider plans if they do level 150, for example.
They honestly should've done more with her third skill. Like the Art face card gains some special property e.g., remove buffs or block buff or or make it a 3 CD or something. I felt blueballed by this when it only gave one turn pierce invul and Arts card conversion and a measly 30% 3 turn NP damage up.. Btw in multicore farming, she's Living Human and can be paired with Arcueid's multi-core farming group. It's pretty decent from what I tried, but definitely need NP2++ for both to make it consistent.
As someone with NP2 Kiara Summer, and NP2 Hokusai on NA, I badly wanted a NP2 Arts AoE character on JP and I'm happy I managed to roll her, Even if her face cards are a bit cringe and even if she doesn't change the game. I love how much she refunds, she's hot, and Kali's NP is so fun to watch. Also I love her voice acting in both forms, such sharp contrast.
I feel like being one of the 6 main class servant is already underwhelming in 2023. Why bother rolling or investing in a main class servant when you can do the same with a universal class that can cover everything. Unless that servant has something unique that make them stand out, like Melusine has 2 forms and can buster farm with BG, or Tez with insane 90++ supports, otherwise being a main class servant just feels like a disadvantage for a dps or farmer, especially with many good universal options nowadays, so just being slightly better than some old options in the same class simply won't cut it.
@Buurardo they did that with saber ibuki too. Have her showcase something in the fight but not in her kit. Like she should have invul. Either 3 times, 3 turns or 1 turn
@Buurardo honestly i think just a 1 turn invul wouldve been good enough. It makes no sense for her to not have survivability like that when you look at her fight. If they wanted to add anything else to that i wouldn't mind.
There was a lot of hype with Durga which lead to misinformation. The sheet Myst uses in his vids had a note saying "really high" refund on Jeanne Archer but "INSANE" refund for Durga... when Jeanne Archer's refund is much better 🥴 Of course Durga has more damage, but I think refund can matter in 2-mob waves which are common in 90++. Jeanne Archer is better for multi-core farming in 90++ too due to her 40% Charisma for Good allies.
Still no Takasugi hot take 😵💫 Edit: sorry should have just asked this, would you say Takasugi has more use in 90++ farming or other uses etc etc because of his team utility despite not having a damage niche This video was superb though, thank you for working so hard
Only summoned for her because I don’t have an Arts Archer at all, only Aoe archer I have is Gilgamesh. Got her on all my accounts except my main, pain.
Kinda dissapointed tbh. Between Kama and Arjuna alter i was expecting some real indian deity level of brokeness then i read her skills and instantly realized. Wow aside from NP theres literally no other reason i won't just use snake mommy instead
Even she's average, still....i grateful got her because my servant really low of variety, especially with SSR Archer. Also, kinda hope she got Costume like Parvati...
Low key hoped that she was an alter ego with a passive that let her have class advantage against sabers (similar to kiara's passive against rulers) I will still be pulling for her tho. She is just so cool and glad her design is just as great
Yep. Im just waiting for summer Ibuki rateup to get her to NP5. Also having skill cooldown reduce for me is better than some artribute or sligtly more damage for farming. Every other aoe arts is pretty much useless if you have her.
Imo it's a good thing that Durga isn't the new best Arts looper, it's the healthiest thing for a gacha game is not to make every new character the best in what they do. And hell, she isn't even bad, she's just good but not the best and I'm satisfied with that.
For such a cool and important servant I’m surprised how boring she is maybe that’s just me but dam make her really strong or give her some new cool mechanic like Draco who isn’t broken but feels new and unique. Or do both😂 like with kuku
I will roll in NA for her, but only because i like her design (for story i cant say anything because i dont look this up until its in NA). I think for farming i dont need her np2. I allready have Jeanne Archer on NP2.
I want to NP5 one of either Gil or her on NA mostly favouritism so who should I go for? Gil is good but no survivability and Durga is also average but as an arts she can keep going while Gil would need a little downtime. Any inputs would be appreciated.
Having farmed with S.Ibuki for a yr on JP makes me kinda salty about rolling for my upcoming waifu S.Kama on an NA. At least Durga appeared within a few Multis but yeah outside of sabers I'll just default to Ibuki 😔
i mean you cant just desig units to beat others in the literal sense. Atleast not every time. i am not even close to "i need to replace" Muramasa for any other Arts AoE in the near future. He is literally good enough for my account i would even consider go for NP2 Muramasa instead of summer Ibuki just because i dont own summer ibuki and a NP upgrad is isually better in terms of resources management. Unless you love Durga you should pass 100% for summer ibuki that is almost certanly comming back but in general the difference between have the top dog or just another of the efficient enough units is not even important unless you aim to be the most efficient 3Turn farmer .
She was dead on arrival the moment she got such a generic kit. Is no even just be AOE arts, is just she dosen't bring anything to the game. A game that not only has ibuki to kill any generic arts looper, but also the that last main story banner where unit like tez or kuku. Like this girl talk was all she powercreep summer jeanne, and i was like, "bro thats a what 2019 servant?" How is that good for a 2023 sevant. Like there actual no reason to get her outside waifu wich is sad.
@@kun2588 we don't need them indeed, but at the same they can make sevants that can fit more unique role, Like be a St framer in Kali case. You dont need to be game breaking to literally have use role in fgo. But kali was just made to be just there, wich is a sad point since she is a main story servant, devs generally give more love to those but well
Can I ask how you do tries aggainst bosses with the newer servants? Like, if you've already defeated Ibuki in Heian Kyo to farm the free quests there, how do you try her against Ibuki again? I've always wondered what people who show clears against old bosses with new servants do it
The constant comparison with summer ibuki makes me realize just how much i hate the direction that berserkers have been taken in recent years of the game, where to start with they used to sacrifice survivability and some offense due to taking 2x damage and dealing 1.5x for that versatility of having semi effective damage against basically everyone and although the taking 2x and dealing 1.5x damage is still true the damage stat on most modern berserkers has been so high that they can compete with if not exceed the damage dealt by the actual counter class that deals 2x damage and basically sacrifice nothing while having super high versality which invalidates other classes
IMO berserkers should do significantly less damage than a counter class would do while still doing more damage than a neutral class would to incentivize bringing the actual counter class to nodes and only bringing berserkers when you don't have a good enough counter class option instead of always defaulting to berserkers
@@morsayxd it does. Competition literally shows who's the best, 2nd best, and so on. If you're not one of the best, then it is either you're average or straight up bad.
Hey man I watched and rewatched ur videos of all the recent months of class tier list u and myst do. But I saw ur video u kinda don't like u 120'd durga and other Liz ppl but. How much difference is zenobia vs durga say they were both 120. My zenobia is 100 atm np5 but I like durga since she looks like zenobia
I can not see how Ishtar is better on a 1:1 comparison to Durga if I am being honest. Farming wise Ishtar might have an upgraded NP but has no dmg niece and her "Invincibility" and "Ignore invincibility" on her second skill are 80% chance to proc even if we were to compare them on that aspect. Durga has better survivability and at least a "sure" Ignore invincibility even though they might be situational they are there. Damage wise Durga not only has 2x niches but can also use the Black Grail and as you said she has no problems looping. Running the numbers at NP1, without even an MLB Black Grail, she outperforms Ishtar by 40-50k dmg. Also due to her NP overcharge she can participate in the Immortal Team with Lady Avalon and Castoria but I agree that most Arts units are carried by Castoria on that topic, that is not a secret. I can see why Gilgamesh and Tesla would be better than Durga in farming but not Ishtar. The only advantage Isthar has over Durga is that due to Buster Looping she doesn't care about the node structure. And ok maybe that Ishtar offers 20% atk up and 20% crit dmg up on the party for 3 turns , and 20 stars every time she NPs, so I suppose she has some "support" for the rest of the party. As you mentioned with 90++ nodes a unit should either have very good utility/support or dmg niches.
i think you just being too demanding my g and lost the sense to determine when a servant is average , very strong or broken , i guess this is what happens when you have almost every unit , you downplay some of them , got the same feel draco , kali isnt broken but she is def above average
Man....archer class just shouldn't exist honestly...they are replaced by Berserkers...ST Archers are replaced by MHXA and even before MHXA you were better off bringing an AOE Archer like Gill or something, and now AOE archers are also gimped by Summer Iduki...
The things I'd say would help her Have her S1 gives Party Wide NP Gain to helps her Base NP Gain less crap and maybe a Charisma to give her a Damage Trifecta Have her S2 gives 30% instead of 20% Colour Buffs because Self 20% Damage Buff is an absolute crap Have her S3's Ignore Invul Last 3 Turns and give her a Heal Regen that can be multiplied for every Cards she converted into Arts for CQs Have her NP gives 100% Star Gen for 1 Turn to make it more than just a Looping Tool And maybe give her a Split NP Gain like Cas Gil or Kerry Well, that's pretty much it. As far as Servants being introduced as a Boss of the Story, I'd say she is the least Impressive of the Arc 2 Bunchs
She's Mother of Universe and Nurtures it , but they made Her some random honkai impact girl Who's weak . And where's her ten Hand ? As a Shakt am disappointed.
She is without a doubt a strong unit just a bit plain, she has all of the basics aspect you would want in a looper but that made her kit boring not weak. Also her 10 hands are literally there lol.
@@hel9157only in Kali form 😂. Now I know what you'll say: yorokobe shounen that your so called 'no body' care goddess could even get to be 5* servant 😂
@@bleach4k239Asclepius is very relevant in CQ unless you go full whale. Ash is one of the best Buster ST DPS. Too bad everyone who are in the Jinako's banner is on ehh side.
shes not busted but certainly not mid also even if you have jarcher or zenobia imo she is still a must roll considering that 90++ is built around niche so having a variety of niche options is better
@@kun2588 must roll is subjective and there is really no such thing as a rightt must roll guide out there as even those reviewers and guides and its funny cuz you said "Who tf plays the game for gameplay" and here you are dissing me cuz of my opinion that I like her and shes a must roll for me 😅
Glad to hear they're not busted. The hipster in me hates liking and using the meta damage dealers. I've got a level 100 NP4 Spishtar on NA and I feel dirty. I just like Rin! I swear it's not for meta! I'm just a pervert!
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Honestly she isn't even "mid" per say but I blame summer ibuki for making every aoe arts feel unnecessary.
For next year on Na I am only planning on going for the summer servants and higher np levels in my spishtar
@@treybrady9134
Yep, I'm going for next year's summer servants too. Also more Space Ishtar copies.
Not every, because Tez > Ibuki, haven't touched my Ibuki ever since Tez release, he's so much better for multi-core 90++ farming
@@rickynguyen5108 yeah I don't think I need arc so I'm skipping her
@@lhv2k i did mention that in the video, i dont think they serve the same role tho
She had an S tire NP animation at least
At least plushie treated sakura much better than matou family ever did 😂
True
Not a high bar
@@JohnWick-rh1zz its actually really sad how accurate this is. mage families are fucked up
@@JohnWick-rh1zzThe bar is so low you need a shovel to find it.
@@HunterTracksThe bar is so low that you need a shovel to find a Shovel to find it.
Durga would have been top tier 2 years ago. But with the advent of 90++ nodes, Draco, and Summer Ibuki. Well, it's tough competition.
i prefer this to every servant being meta defining. if every servant was the next space ishtar or koyanskaya, power creep would render servants just 2 or 3 years old, painfully in need of buffs.
Yeah, sometimes many people and some content creators act as if every new unit needs to be the newest meta thing, I'm so glad Lasagna understands that we don't need every character to be the best, they just need to be good enough so that if you like them you'll enjoy using them.
It's not only about defining meta and power creeping seevants. As Durga/Kali she could've had some unusual mecahanics to show that she is a goddess of destruction. Or maybe play around her turning into Kali. And etc. It shouldn't necessarily be something broken.
Yeah, if they move the bar up a lot it becomes like FEH or other mobile games where that new unit you got is bad a year down the line because rampant power creep makes the devs constantly one up all the characters. Sometimes someone like Tiamat is released or what have you, but even Tiamat doesn't invalidate other farmers particularly farmers that you already have high NP levels on.
All of this could be solved easily if the devs weren't idiots about buffing. Like, seriously? 1 buff per month? Just fucking buff 10 Servants at once, most of the buffs are just some values increase anyways.
Yeah, people often act as if 'not an OP game breaking unit' means 'absolute trash not worth using'
Reading her kit reminded me of ruler moriarty where I'm just like "That sure is a kit that works I guess".
But yeah "Berserkers existing moment" lol
At least young Jimmy is always going to have a niche as an Astraea buffer.
Durga reminds me a lot of Kyokutei Bakin. QQAAB deck, bad card gain, pretty good refund, and double NP niches (one being demonic). Durga shines a bit brighter for me, though, because even if she has less raw arts boosting, she can do something for the rest of the deck. If Bakin doesn't get her arts cards, no loop. Durga can at least guarantee that those bad cards can be arts. She can theoretically NP-A-A two turns in a row without deck resets. Also, pierce invuln is a great niche. Ultimately, Bakin's only edge is a wider spread of card buffs and more of a crit focus. Also Demonic overlaps with Evil more often than Sky.
At least Durga has almost no competition. Imagine having to compete with RiderVinci, Odysseus, and Habetrot...
Durga as an AOE Arts Servant, right?
Bakin is probably one of the SSRs who got forgotten the quickest. Nobody cared about her post her event. I don't see any fan art of her, or anyone talking about/using her, etc.
Nowadays i only use bakin because of her beautiful voice
Its a shame because Bakin had beautiful art and reminds me of Inuyasha series
@@jorge15266 Actually, I’ve seen a decent amount of people talk about Bakin in my friend circle once in a while… but it’s usually comparing how cool Tamemoto is to her. (I love Tamemoto, but man, he totally stole her thunder)
It’s fairly clear that they’ve decided to just make some average to good characters and let the personalities determine the rolls.
There’s overlap, but the average player probably isn’t going to whale for each AoE arts looper, so having a good spread is probably for the best.
I’d rather have a bevy of more or less equal units than have good characters become functionally useless because they need to have a unique gimmick that is at odds with how the game actually works.
If another character got Jekylled, it’d be a tragedy.
I think that's ok. Better to be painfully average than bad. At least that means if you love the character it isn't any huge trial to use her.
You forgot to mention Jearcher has a basically passive 2030 that stacks with every subsequent NP
For the bot calculations at 10:09, the numbers are :
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Still a good choice to summon on because its nice to see something else on screen looping instead of just your Ishtar or Jarcher for the millionth time 😌
Honestly i knew I wasnt the only one who felt like this. Maybe its the just LOAD of sakurafaces we have in the game but honestly she just feels....there
Yet Durga/Kali still doing very well despite that
@@rezafahlevi9659 bhima and kama gained more revenue.
@@Bhavaagra So?
@@Bhavaagra Adding more from my comment above
Yeah Bhima did get more revenue so what? His arts are still below Durga/Kali who got tons of it
And Kama isn't a fair comparison since she's long fan-fave
So revenue =/= popularity
Part of why Durga/Kali got less of revenue is because the gameplay for sure, but that doesn't invalidated her popularity at all, her role in OC1 was amazing, her being a sakuraface is a big plus, design and VA is amazing too
So saying that Durga/Kali is just....there is hella wrong to me
@@Bhavaagra Kama, the one who got a whole event surrounding her for her debut? Then proceeded to get a five-star summer version and a central focus in the new OC? Who would've thought she would've pulled in more revenue?
Her intro was so stomping but her gameplay is average stomp on..
not rlly that bad, i might have exaggerated the title but yeah I don't see a reason to pull her for gameplay
@@PlushieMistress i mean you might not see a reason to pull for 90% of the stuff we get this year dawg , you have all the current broken servants in the game , just having high np lv junao , koyan and oberon makes any servants irrelevant in farming
About what I had expected from our Discord conversation. Truly, the crushing reality of Summer Ibuki (and perhaps Tezcatlipoca).
Counter Point: She is a sakura face, therefore she is worth everything
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I still think Durga should've been an AOE Archer with her 3rd skill turning her into Kali and making her NP Single Target
you're right, a really good hot takes, even on a servant that i really like, i rolled her np5 and grailed to 120 because i like her, when i rolled i didn't even look at her kit, when i saw the fight with the alter ego npc i was like "i like her too much... i seriously wanna roll her like few servants." although I have iyo to level 120 that does more damage than durga(i tested both, level 120, 2k fous, black grail mlb, 2004 and double castoria) but i don't care, just rolled because i like her and not for gameplay, that is something apart , i even grailed dino mom to level 112(i have np3, i'm waiting for the next rate up to np5 and 120) so, i would simply say: just roll her if you like her and wanted to have at least one copy, if you do just because i wanted her, if you do roll her, u get a good arts aoe archer which can bg farming etc etch, but nothing special like summer ibuki or tezcatlipoca, just go if you wanted her, I believe that the only must roll are the supports like castoria, koyanskaya, skadi, oberon etc for gameplay, not a dps like durga.
sorry for my bad english lmao
Waaaait...is it possible to 120 Iyo? What about the medals?
@@netomoreira3525 yes, you can 120 iyo if you get all of her coins from the event shop of guda7, with all the coins from the shop you can 120 and full append her at bond 15, i have to unlock the third append and she's complete, and what medals? the items for her ascensions?
She got the Sakura treatment from Tohsaka family
I honestly felt the same when I first saw her. People kept praising her Looping, double anti-damage mods on her NP and her skillsets but I'm like -
Dude, she can be replaced by like 10 other servants and probably do even better
Exatly.
And if a new arts servant comes out i always remind myself.
Do i need an another after s. ibuki who as a berserker that can loop literally everything.
Its gonna be hard to powercreep summer ibuki and a normal class probably never will.
I am like dude , what does it matter , why would she be average only because others can loop ???
If she loop as well as a high tier looper , wouldnt she be one as well , bruh
@@morsayxdThe thing is if you want to roll for her for meta reasons you dont have to cus she wont be better than most of your other arts looper and if you have s.ibuki i would say dont roll for any other art looper cus u dont need them.
@@fseiba6718 yeah ig gameplaywise , rolling solely for looping for her is unnecessary depending of what u have
@@JamesKorn-nr2fc I just sad gameplay wise u dont need them.
Kali is very good but her potential shines at killing sabers and her niche enemys.
S.ibuki is universally good against everything not just sabers and powermod against earth attribute is the best niche a servant can have.
Kali is good but not universal like s.ibuki.
Kali is painfully average(due to kama being blue first and way better summer one piece kama spiritron outfit when?)
Durga is painfully hot. That is my case and that's where I'll leave it.
Oh and something about gameplay and artificial connections or something
I really appreciate analytical content like this from you. Thanks plushie
I agree with everything said in the video, but I don't know how I feel about the summer Ibuki argument
Sure, if we consider an NP2 or NP3 Ibuki against NP1s of the other classes, Ibuki is better, so she's a really good option to hyperinvest into
But if we compare her to other aoe arts at the same level, she's worse than most against the proper counter classes (especially considering some are even free, like habenyan, sieg or the summer valks)
So it depends on what you want to do, if you really want to be efficient for farming, probably just getting summer Ibuki and get her to N3 and maybe lvl 100, would be better than having to pull for Muramasa and Kali/Jarcher and summer Melt/Vritra and potentially some others too
But if you do get those other classes instead of more copies (or even just one) of summer Ibuki, they can also do other things outside of farming where they can be better than Ibuki, so it's a weird argument overall
And if we really want to be optimal in terms of how many servants we need to be as good as possible at farming, probably you shouldn't even get Ibuki, you should probably just get high NP lvls of Melusine and Tiamat and you're done, or even just Arjuna Alter
That's not exactly true. I'm currently looking at numbers. Double Castoria BBG setup. All np1. Third wave damage.
Ibuki with x1.5 damage: 236488
Jarcher with x1 damage: 125964
Kali with x1 damage: 133867
Percival with x1 damage: 109949
Lambda with x1 damage: 132282
Dabinchi with x1 damage: 124301
And etc. There are some outliers, like Muramasa, who deals 160k+, or Tez, who deals 170k+. But on average Ibuki deals almost the same damage as class specific loopers with class advantage. So yes, she is a valid competition for many arts loopers.
@LadislausKallig well but that's what I said, no?
That she's still strictly worse than the other at the same NP lvl.
But it is true that for just double Castoria BBG with 2004, which is what those numbers are (which, even for this setup, is not the best MC, Arctic would usually give you more dmg, and also Perci's numbers are wrong, he should be doing 118745, I think whoever did those calcs missed a 20% NP dmg buff, since that's the number you get if you use a 2.5 multiplier instead of the 2.7 from 80%+20%+20%+50% from BBG + first skill + NP overcharge effect + MC, although even then, he is, in fact, the only one who does strictly less dmg than Ibuki) the dmg difference is not that big (although for other classes like riders, with Habenyan, or assassins, with the summer Valks or Tezca, or sabers with Muramasa, the difference is more appreciable)
But I was referring mostly for harder nodes where you need double Castoria + Oberon. The dmg comparison does change because of how some buffs stack with others, which varies for each servant, but still proper counter classes, with a few exceptions like Perci, will strictly do more dmg than Ibuki, and in a decent amount of cases (especially welfares) the dmg difference is more considerable.
Tbf, if people want more dmg, they can use kukulkan, morgan, arceuid, arjuna alter or koyanskaya foreigner XD
@@Gabriel-cs6wucan't 6 slot tho
Ordeal Call 1 music is fire
This is why CARmilla is eternal
I would argue maybe you downplayed her CQ utility a bit more than is warranted - her ability to work with the Castoria + Lady Avalon team makes her pretty valuable IMO and I used it to bulldoze some of the new Advanced Quests without paying attention to the rules/gimmicks set up for the fight.
Otherwise, good take, and I largely agreed. I'm probably going to 120 her depending on what exactly gets released with the Anniversary this year - I will have to reconsider plans if they do level 150, for example.
The thing is...a lot of Arts AoE servants can do that better. Like Ryouma and Lolivinci and they're old servants. Durga is just not very great
@kun2588 them being better doesn't mean she isn't great, though. If she gets it done, she's good.
They honestly should've done more with her third skill. Like the Art face card gains some special property e.g., remove buffs or block buff or or make it a 3 CD or something. I felt blueballed by this when it only gave one turn pierce invul and Arts card conversion and a measly 30% 3 turn NP damage up..
Btw in multicore farming, she's Living Human and can be paired with Arcueid's multi-core farming group. It's pretty decent from what I tried, but definitely need NP2++ for both to make it consistent.
I CANT BELIEVE YOI DROPPED THIS LIKE MINUTES BEFORE THE LIVE PANEL
As someone with NP2 Kiara Summer, and NP2 Hokusai on NA, I badly wanted a NP2 Arts AoE character on JP and I'm happy I managed to roll her,
Even if her face cards are a bit cringe and even if she doesn't change the game. I love how much she refunds, she's hot, and Kali's NP is so fun to watch. Also I love her voice acting in both forms, such sharp contrast.
Okay but counterpoint: new sakuraface slot in supports
tbh
i would roll for her
i fucking hate summer ibuki design
I feel like being one of the 6 main class servant is already underwhelming in 2023. Why bother rolling or investing in a main class servant when you can do the same with a universal class that can cover everything. Unless that servant has something unique that make them stand out, like Melusine has 2 forms and can buster farm with BG, or Tez with insane 90++ supports, otherwise being a main class servant just feels like a disadvantage for a dps or farmer, especially with many good universal options nowadays, so just being slightly better than some old options in the same class simply won't cut it.
Because peoples want to roll what they want
Because you like them? Who tf plays the game for gameplay lmao
Bro wtf , you might as well get np3-5 arjuna oberon and koyanskaya and stop rolling for any other units
The gameplay in fgo isnt deep or difficult. Most people roll for what they like, which is probably best for your sanity.
You really think ppl only summon servants for game play??😂
I didnt even realize it was you until I clicked off the video. I haven’t watched fgo vids in so long that I didn’t know you used your voice in videos.
A shame that she didn't get her NP up per turn gimmick from her boss fight as her S3 would have made her pretty unique
Oh and they didn't need to limit the Pierce Invul to 1 turn come on
@Buurardo they did that with saber ibuki too. Have her showcase something in the fight but not in her kit. Like she should have invul. Either 3 times, 3 turns or 1 turn
@@blaneonthemoon2507 that one is a bit more of a stretch to implement like would it be 4 Invuls and Max HP up when Invuls are hit?
@Buurardo honestly i think just a 1 turn invul wouldve been good enough. It makes no sense for her to not have survivability like that when you look at her fight. If they wanted to add anything else to that i wouldn't mind.
@@blaneonthemoon2507 well yeah but the NP Up per turn gimmick already got in another Servant Tametomo so it should have been easy to just reuse it
There was a lot of hype with Durga which lead to misinformation. The sheet Myst uses in his vids had a note saying "really high" refund on Jeanne Archer but "INSANE" refund for Durga... when Jeanne Archer's refund is much better 🥴 Of course Durga has more damage, but I think refund can matter in 2-mob waves which are common in 90++. Jeanne Archer is better for multi-core farming in 90++ too due to her 40% Charisma for Good allies.
Still no Takasugi hot take 😵💫
Edit: sorry should have just asked this, would you say Takasugi has more use in 90++ farming or other uses etc etc because of his team utility despite not having a damage niche
This video was superb though, thank you for working so hard
Only summoned for her because I don’t have an Arts Archer at all, only Aoe archer I have is Gilgamesh. Got her on all my accounts except my main, pain.
The Nail in the Coffin would be if they drop an AOE ARTS servants for the anniversary...
Here I am with a grailed 100 Zenobia
Yeah I am good
Kinda dissapointed tbh. Between Kama and Arjuna alter i was expecting some real indian deity level of brokeness then i read her skills and instantly realized. Wow aside from NP theres literally no other reason i won't just use snake mommy instead
But plushie, 20% rainbow mana burst isn't problematic cause she has permanent 10% quick and arts up in her passives
Even she's average, still....i grateful got her because my servant really low of variety, especially with SSR Archer.
Also, kinda hope she got Costume like Parvati...
granted, i think we all knew she would be, but it doesn't stop sakura simps (me) from np5ing her and maxing her out
Well. At least she's beautiful and have amazing animations as Kali.
However... Kama already have my heart.
Her arts card might not be very good. But her art is amazing.
She does good for an AoE Arts Archer. And since I cover by segments instead of omnifarming, she is a great Jarcher replacement.
Low key hoped that she was an alter ego with a passive that let her have class advantage against sabers (similar to kiara's passive against rulers)
I will still be pulling for her tho. She is just so cool and glad her design is just as great
Yep. Im just waiting for summer Ibuki rateup to get her to NP5. Also having skill cooldown reduce for me is better than some artribute or sligtly more damage for farming. Every other aoe arts is pretty much useless if you have her.
Imo it's a good thing that Durga isn't the new best Arts looper, it's the healthiest thing for a gacha game is not to make every new character the best in what they do.
And hell, she isn't even bad, she's just good but not the best and I'm satisfied with that.
nice pic
If you guys want another Sakura Face. skip Summer ibuki, hold on to those quartz no matter what (Tiamat and beast Drago exist) *No matter what*
Average? Arguably. Painfully so? No, I enjoy average servants and making them not average by powering them up with resources and good team comps.
For such a cool and important servant I’m surprised how boring she is maybe that’s just me but dam make her really strong or give her some new cool mechanic like Draco who isn’t broken but feels new and unique. Or do both😂 like with kuku
Idk man , draco seems broken to me
Plushie: Pope Joan strong, but unnecesarry
*has her np5*
Durga Painfully Avarage
*has her np6*
Ok, dude 😅
whale moment
I will roll in NA for her, but only because i like her design (for story i cant say anything because i dont look this up until its in NA). I think for farming i dont need her np2. I allready have Jeanne Archer on NP2.
I want to NP5 one of either Gil or her on NA mostly favouritism so who should I go for? Gil is good but no survivability and Durga is also average but as an arts she can keep going while Gil would need a little downtime.
Any inputs would be appreciated.
Same stage everytime i see a new video huh.
Creative.
She’s gorgeous but I bad mouth Sakura when I first got into Fate and now every Sakura face, respectfully, refuses my summons 🥹🥹
I know at least one person who will Level 120 Max Fou her regardless though, considering she's been hoping for Durga/Kali for years
Bah, I'm staying loyal to my hot onee-san. Plus I plan to get Ibuki anyways.
I have NP5 Jarcher so id have to only roll her if I get lucky on Tiamom and draco
Having farmed with S.Ibuki for a yr on JP makes me kinda salty about rolling for my upcoming waifu S.Kama on an NA.
At least Durga appeared within a few Multis but yeah outside of sabers I'll just default to Ibuki 😔
i mean you cant just desig units to beat others in the literal sense. Atleast not every time. i am not even close to "i need to replace" Muramasa for any other Arts AoE in the near future. He is literally good enough for my account i would even consider go for NP2 Muramasa instead of summer Ibuki just because i dont own summer ibuki and a NP upgrad is isually better in terms of resources management.
Unless you love Durga you should pass 100% for summer ibuki that is almost certanly comming back but in general the difference between have the top dog or just another of the efficient enough units is not even important unless you aim to be the most efficient 3Turn farmer .
Idc if she’s avg she’s perfect
Honestly, don't care if she's mid or not, sakura face = good
She was dead on arrival the moment she got such a generic kit.
Is no even just be AOE arts, is just she dosen't bring anything to the game. A game that not only has ibuki to kill any generic arts looper, but also the that last main story banner where unit like tez or kuku.
Like this girl talk was all she powercreep summer jeanne, and i was like, "bro thats a what 2019 servant?" How is that good for a 2023 sevant.
Like there actual no reason to get her outside waifu wich is sad.
Which is good imo. We don't need every servant to be groundbreaking. Kali...is there and that's fine.
It's sadder to see someone can't roll for sevants they like because it's not broken or meta.
@@kun2588 we don't need them indeed, but at the same they can make sevants that can fit more unique role, Like be a St framer in Kali case.
You dont need to be game breaking to literally have use role in fgo. But kali was just made to be just there, wich is a sad point since she is a main story servant, devs generally give more love to those but well
@@Sky-rx3be For servants to be unique, some have to be mediocre...let us appreciate Durgas sacrifice so we could have Tez lmao.
the thing is she's a Sakuraface and that one thing places her above Ibuki
Iconic Waifu > Meta Waifu
Don't like ibuki so I'll gladly take a sakura face
Can I ask how you do tries aggainst bosses with the newer servants? Like, if you've already defeated Ibuki in Heian Kyo to farm the free quests there, how do you try her against Ibuki again?
I've always wondered what people who show clears against old bosses with new servants do it
The constant comparison with summer ibuki makes me realize just how much i hate the direction that berserkers have been taken in recent years of the game, where to start with they used to sacrifice survivability and some offense due to taking 2x damage and dealing 1.5x for that versatility of having semi effective damage against basically everyone and although the taking 2x and dealing 1.5x damage is still true the damage stat on most modern berserkers has been so high that they can compete with if not exceed the damage dealt by the actual counter class that deals 2x damage and basically sacrifice nothing while having super high versality which invalidates other classes
IMO berserkers should do significantly less damage than a counter class would do while still doing more damage than a neutral class would to incentivize bringing the actual counter class to nodes and only bringing berserkers when you don't have a good enough counter class option instead of always defaulting to berserkers
oh this hot take made me realize I am willing to discard all logic because shes a sakura face.
Just because she's Art servant doesn't mean she's an average
Probably because of the Arts competition.
The reason she's average is not because she's Arts lmao
@@bleach4k239 competition do not make you average , your kit and stats do
@@morsayxd it does. Competition literally shows who's the best, 2nd best, and so on. If you're not one of the best, then it is either you're average or straight up bad.
Hey man I watched and rewatched ur videos of all the recent months of class tier list u and myst do. But I saw ur video u kinda don't like u 120'd durga and other Liz ppl but. How much difference is zenobia vs durga say they were both 120. My zenobia is 100 atm np5 but I like durga since she looks like zenobia
She isn't extra class or berserker or Melusine, of course she's average.
I’m glad I got her in one multi cuz I love her design but jeez she lacks so much
Jokes on lasagna, I couldn't get castoria on jp, so I never roll for arts servants specifically.
She is very unnecessary, unnecessarily the best looking character in the the game for me I will np5 easy
love her but I'm a very low spender and I've amassed an np4 Jeanne archer over the years so I think she's just not worth it for me unfortunately :/
If they put the 25% effort they put in her Art, she would have been at least 3rd best looper
Welp, no audio
can you hear it now?
Yeah it's all good now, that was weird
Nowadays anything not broken or op as hell is " below average " according to youtubers
I said painfully average not below average, also please watch the whole video
Zenobia is more "yes" though so Durga is mid
i got bricked
I can not see how Ishtar is better on a 1:1 comparison to Durga if I am being honest.
Farming wise Ishtar might have an upgraded NP but has no dmg niece and her "Invincibility" and "Ignore invincibility" on her second skill are 80% chance to proc even if we were to compare them on that aspect. Durga has better survivability and at least a "sure" Ignore invincibility even though they might be situational they are there. Damage wise Durga not only has 2x niches but can also use the Black Grail and as you said she has no problems looping.
Running the numbers at NP1, without even an MLB Black Grail, she outperforms Ishtar by 40-50k dmg. Also due to her NP overcharge she can participate in the Immortal Team with Lady Avalon and Castoria but I agree that most Arts units are carried by Castoria on that topic, that is not a secret.
I can see why Gilgamesh and Tesla would be better than Durga in farming but not Ishtar. The only advantage Isthar has over Durga is that due to Buster Looping she doesn't care about the node structure. And ok maybe that Ishtar offers 20% atk up and 20% crit dmg up on the party for 3 turns , and 20 stars every time she NPs, so I suppose she has some "support" for the rest of the party.
As you mentioned with 90++ nodes a unit should either have very good utility/support or dmg niches.
This is 2021 standards smh. The year is 2023...
yeah... im so sad... what are they thinking ? Kali should be as over power as her lore
i think you just being too demanding my g and lost the sense to determine when a servant is average , very strong or broken , i guess this is what happens when you have almost every unit , you downplay some of them , got the same feel draco , kali isnt broken but she is def above average
Man....archer class just shouldn't exist honestly...they are replaced by Berserkers...ST Archers are replaced by MHXA and even before MHXA you were better off bringing an AOE Archer like Gill or something, and now AOE archers are also gimped by Summer Iduki...
She's not really mid but not really good enough to be called high tier, I guess she's just awkward in between
Yea, i disagree. She has no real aoe arts archer competition. Shes outclassed in neutral, but shes the best at arts looping sabers. Which is her job.
that is fair, its mainly also considering banner timing and summer ibuki
zenobia is pretty good, though, and is a perma sr
Sure but why pull for a dedicated saber farmer when you can save up or pull for a farmer who can cover more classes more efficiently
But heavy investment decisions are usually based on how well the char is at neutral looping as most players are either dolphins or near whales.
@@haveagoodday7021Because 90++ devalues neutral farmers in favor of counter-class?
Blud made 15 videos on this one servant then called it mid
Wait you mean you roll for fighting performances instead of waifus/husbandos ?
if u r arts aoe but ur name is not summer ibuki u succc
The things I'd say would help her
Have her S1 gives Party Wide NP Gain to helps her Base NP Gain less crap and maybe a Charisma to give her a Damage Trifecta
Have her S2 gives 30% instead of 20% Colour Buffs because Self 20% Damage Buff is an absolute crap
Have her S3's Ignore Invul Last 3 Turns and give her a Heal Regen that can be multiplied for every Cards she converted into Arts for CQs
Have her NP gives 100% Star Gen for 1 Turn to make it more than just a Looping Tool
And maybe give her a Split NP Gain like Cas Gil or Kerry
Well, that's pretty much it. As far as Servants being introduced as a Boss of the Story, I'd say she is the least Impressive of the Arc 2 Bunchs
You're wrong if you're rolling Durga for gameplay. She's a Sakura and that's already enough reason to NP5 day one.
She's Mother of Universe and Nurtures it , but they made Her some random honkai impact girl Who's weak . And where's her ten Hand ?
As a Shakt am disappointed.
She is without a doubt a strong unit just a bit plain, she has all of the basics aspect you would want in a looper but that made her kit boring not weak. Also her 10 hands are literally there lol.
@@hel9157only in Kali form 😂. Now I know what you'll say: yorokobe shounen that your so called 'no body' care goddess could even get to be 5* servant 😂
She's Sakura. That's the only thing I need to know.
Awful cards in 2023? You hate to see it
LB1 Banner - C- Tier
LB2 Banner - A Tier
LB3 Banner - B- Tier
LB4 Banner - A Tier
LB5.1 Banner - B+Tier
LB5.2 Banner - B- Tier
LB5.5 Banner - B+ Tier
LB6 Banner - EX Tier
LB6.5 Banner - B- Tier
LB7 Banner - A+ Tier
OC 1 Banner - B- Tier
I like that Lasengle don't release broken servants in every story.
I feel like lb7 banner is also EX tier cause Kuku is one of the top dps while Tez is literally the most versatile servant in the entire game
Arjuna was beyond broken on release
@@muratticugaratti1571 it's just him though. No one else became relevant hence my tier.
@@bleach4k239Asclepius is very relevant in CQ unless you go full whale. Ash is one of the best Buster ST DPS. Too bad everyone who are in the Jinako's banner is on ehh side.
Lb 6.5 has Douman and saber Ibuki, what are you talking about?
Nuh uh
shes not busted but certainly not mid also even if you have jarcher or zenobia imo she is still a must roll considering that 90++ is built around niche so having a variety of niche options is better
You're right but calling her a "must roll" is wrong
@@kun2588She is must roll if you are Sakura fan or Waifu collector lol
@@thecutiereaper5252 Fair but the reasoning this guy gave was wrong is all I'm saying.
@@kun2588 must roll is subjective and there is really no such thing as a rightt must roll guide out there as even those reviewers and guides
and its funny cuz you said "Who tf plays the game for gameplay" and here you are dissing me cuz of my opinion that I like her and shes a must roll for me 😅
Glad to hear they're not busted. The hipster in me hates liking and using the meta damage dealers. I've got a level 100 NP4 Spishtar on NA and I feel dirty. I just like Rin! I swear it's not for meta! I'm just a pervert!
So you’re worse
@@ihate.promax1140proudly