Shakespeare Summarized: The Taming Of The Shrew
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ต.ค. 2024
- EDIT: Sorry, everybody, looks like UMG doesn't like me using their music. I had to remove the ending song, which dropped the audio quality a little in the final few seconds. For full effect, play Kiss With A Fist over the ending audio.
I returned to my old style to do this one, in order to maintain stylistic continuity for the Shakespeare run of videos, so sorry if you were anticipating adorable chibi versions of Katharina and Petruchio - you'll have to make do with the boring, fleshy versions.
On the plus side, this took me roughly two days, as opposed to the four-to-six-weeks the animated videos take, so at least it's faster!
Next in the lineup is Paradise Lost, which WILL be chibi'd.
I really don't like this play. REALLY really.
I saw a production of this play that added a scene at the end to imply that Katherine was faking being "tamed" to lull him into a false sense of security and then murder him. It was hilarious.
The way the play should have ended tbh
What's the name of this production?
Danielle Trawick my english HS teacher took half of the week to cover all possibke endings....that was one of them
last year's taming of the shrew at Shakespeare in the Park was fantastic! they did it with an all female cast and had Katherine win a beauty pageant once she became "submissive". during her final wave with the flowers, though, she seems to realize what she became and starts screaming and freaking out, prompting the cast to push her through a trap door. it was insane!
I wish i saw that
A Shakespeare group came and told this story, it was hilarious. Katherine was presented as a bad ass and glared me down in the crowd because 'I was copying her hair' (We both had short hair) it was a comedy made to make a room of teenagers laugh.
Here's the best bit though.
The closer the play got to the end, the more they showed how horrible this relationship was, causing the audience to shout stuff like 'Get off her!' or 'Leave her alone!' and we were all screaming and shouting for Katherine to break free.
Then the end scene, all the wives being disobedient then Katherine walking in, mumbling 'Yes husband' or 'Okay husband' nothing else. Everyone in the room was painfully quiet. This play is an amazing way to show a group of teenagers what a TOXIC relationship is.
I think it's a funny story because Kate is like every "independent " girl int most rom coms because she acts all tough and difficult but just needs to chill a bit . It's funny
@@nataliapanfichi9933. Good point, it'd fit right in with modern rom coms like"when harry meet sally"! Why does red assume we're supposed to root for any of the leads?
This is what the adaptations should have done, not try to twist it into a love story
That's the worst part for me, that people tried to twist this into a love story because it either means that 1) some people really *do* see a toxic, manipulative relationship as loving (albeit a more watered down version of toxicity/manipulation), or 2) some people are willing to overlook toxic and manipulative traits (again, watered down ones) just for the sake of "love"
Also, I hope that presentation helped some of the teenagers recognize and get away from toxic relationships
@@randominternetartist2615.
A;i'm confident it was meant to be a Jamie and Cersie Lannister situation, i.e."they we're so wrong for one another, that you can't and shouldn't Pick a side". Instead of it being tragic and treated seriously however, it becomes a comedy.
B;I refer you back to my previous point, and friendly reminder, this wouldn't be the first time audiences took a radically different approach to someone's work who's not even alive anymore. People seem to think that everything from the past is problematic or stupid, thus, leaving no room for nuanced discussion so we'd see the pictures clearer, even though the past is our society's building blocks and pillars holding everything in place, but if I learned everything recently, is that humanity is increasingly proves itself capable of bringing down the house upon itself. Let's just hope smart people rise up, and dispose of these uncultured swines. Because I don't wanna see rabble or rubbles!
C;Sometimes, you can't just shield people from making mistakes, that's how we learn.
That monologue sounds like something a serial killer from Criminal Minds would quote
exactly
Disturbing. Isn't it?
Pretty much, or Reds comparison, the brainwashing from 1984
It's a soliloquy not a monologue
@@audramcdonaldapologist3676 Yeah, no less Criminal Minds-esque, though
Fun fact!! A dude named John Fletcher wrote a play called "The Woman's Prize" (also known as "The Tamer Tamed") as a 'response' to Shakespeare producing "Taming of the Shrew".
In "The Woman's Prize", Patruchio mardies a new wife after Katherine's death. The new wife, Maria, 'tames' Patruchio by refusing ro consumate the marriage, a-la "Lystistrata" style.
Goes to show you that EVEN in the early 1600's, some people knew that this was NOT cool
I just read the summary for “The Woman’s Prize” and 1. Bravo, John Fletcher. Bravo! 2. He was not f****** around. No punches pulled!
From the Wikipedia summary:
Petruchio tries one final stratagem in an attempt to awaken some spark of compassion in Maria. He decides to play dead, and, in one of the Jacobean theater's celebrated scenes, he is borne onstage in a coffin before his wife and friends. Maria is indeed moved to tears, but they are inspired, as she tells us in a famous speech, not by his person but by his "unmanly, wretched, foolish life......how far below a man, how far from reason" Petruchio has remained.
Yep for some rights to exist today, people in the past fought for them.
@@JeantheSecond Why didn’t this get a million film adaptations like Shakespeare’s play?!
@@PaintSplashProductionsshaekspear got the name recognition appeal for adaptations.
@@seekingabsolution1907
And dysfunctional stories with romantic plots, subplots up the wazoo... just sells well... a bit *TOO* well.
Taming of the Shrew, AKA: Gaslighting the Musical :P
Nightmare 777 this is legit funny...in the darkest way possible. Cuuudos
the truth of this statement is hard-hitting
Strangely enough, this play did eventually get turned into a musical called "Kiss Me Kate".
TheMistLink whAt, okay that is actually a funfact
10 Things I Hate About You is probably the most healthy adaptation of this play that I’ve seen
And that's saying something.
Agreed, thought the series was better than the movie IMO
His methods are less abusive in 10 things
I remember a pretty amusing episode of Moonlighting based on it, but I was pretty young at the time, it may not hold up.
Thats like trying to find the GOT episode you would be most ok with watching with your mom.
“Ptruchio! You’re under arrest!!”
“For what?!”
“Well honestly a bunch of stuff, but it was so much that I just wrote ‘for being the f$&king worst’ on the warrant.”
Ptruchio: ''I demand to see a lawyer!''
''And i wanted bianca's hand but we don't always get what we want.''
@@yamaslushy9461 Pfft, that's awesome!! XD
@@JoshtheOverlander Thanks!
Thank you for making that! 😀😊😆😄
@@yamaslushy9461 That so such a great and appropriate comeback that it leave "You killed them all" in the dust
We actually did this play in school, but with a twist. In the original play it is told to a drunken idiot, here a suitor tells it to his girlfriend to convince to behave like Katherine. He ended up with a glass of wine over him and the father, horrified, chasing him out of the house
Love it
That is genius.
I didn't have to read Shakespeare in school. But I wanted to. My teacher just gave me one advice. "Stay away from Titus and shrew. You'll love Shakespeare"
Good advice.
I don't know about that. Merchant to our modern eyes is pretty loathsome and anti Semitic as all get out. Many people try to portray it as a tragedy for Shylock but it renders the entire last act nonsensical (the play is supposed to be a *comedy* Ugh.)
pyropulse Hey man, at least have the decency to refer to the correct kind of theatre when you insult us
My personal opinion, Romeo & Juliet is pretty awful too. I first read it when I was 14 and even as a dumb kid my reactions were "This was a LOVE story? In what way? This was an 'everyone is stupid and several people should have won proto Darwin awards' kind of story"
Yamishi Ikeda I don’t hate it, but it’s been misinterpreted as a romance when it’s more like a warning. Also, everyone should have listened to the maid
For my peace of mind, I like to imagine that this is Katherina putting on an act, biding her time and providing such a perfect example of demure, wifely obedience that it never occurs to any of their relatives that she could possibly have anything to do with Petruchio falling suddenly and violently ill over the course of several months.
It never occurs to them to question Katherina- as Petruchio's wife and therefore, NATURALLY, his most devoted nurse- insisting on handling and serving all of his food during his illness, claiming that nobody but his wife can be trusted to do something so important.
And when he falls sicker and sicker still, until at last the physician solemnly claims that he won't survive the night, it never even crosses their minds to object when dear sweet Katherina tearfully asks for a moment alone with her husband to say goodbye.
So nobody is there to see Katherina pull out a little bottle, force feed Petruchio the last few drops and whisper, with the fire that all of Padua was convinced he'd cured her of, that she wouldn't deny her loving husband the courtesy of knowing who killed him.
Petruchio who has been too weak to move for days, no longer has the voice to call for help.
The last thing he sees before everything fades to black is Katherina's sharp-toothed grin.
Damn. That's dramatic and would likely turn this into one of Shakespeare's tragedies. I love it.👍
Me to
Mina Nathans
Slow down there dio
This is glorious thank you for writing it.
YOOOOOOOOOO
This story could so easily be made into a modern day horror movie and commentary on spousal abuse.
Give me a few Weeks of free time and i write that, ending with Petruccio dying by Katherines hand.
Best thing we've got so far is '10 Things I Hate About You', so by all means, do this.
I personally would also like to see a reimagining of this story where Katherine’s counterpart is an Autistic kid and Petruchio’s is her BCBA. Not much else would have to change about the dynamic except taking out the implications of romance.
Berlin Syndrome
I mean they did a modern adaptation of A Midsummer Nights Dream with a very Hitler esque dictator so they can do anything at this point.
When I read this play in class, my teacher always forced the idea of love between Kathrine and Petruchio. I called the relationship between them “obedience” but she would correct me, calling it love. Kathrine is a really great character and I like her the most, and as Red said, “ if Kathrine was the protagonist this would be seen as a horror movie!” I like the idea that every time Kate had her own little monologue about obedience, she would over-exaggerate it to mock Petruchio even while in submission to him, especially in her last monologue where she scolds the other wives. But my girl deserves a better ending then living the rest of her life secretly making fun of her dim witted and abusive husband 😔👊
I heard in a version she kills him.
I went to see this play a couple of years ago and it is indeed very disturbing HOWEVER i can't take it seriously because at the start the actor for petrucchio and the actress for Katherine flipped a coin and switched roles wich enhanced the comedy aspect because you know the voices dont match the lines wich created a kind of comedic effect to it all
Your teacher is either an incel or hates women. Just saying
Yeah, my teacher didn’t like my whole “Katherine is a victim of abuse” take on the play. She came to the conclusion that I “am brainwashed to hate women” and I didn’t like Katherine’s choices. Not supporting her choice to be an obedient servant to her husband meant I hate women...
@@sexybunnyxox Wait, she?
Between you, Madi and Red that's three female teachers that apparently love this play as a love story.
I guess that explains why Fifty Shades of Gray sold so well
Oceans rise.
Empires fall.
We've barely know each other if at all.
But when push comes to shove,
I will stop you from eating and sleeping
To remind you of my LOVE!
Da da da dat da dat da da da da ya da
Da da dat dat da ya da!
Da da da dat da dat da da da da ya da
Da da dat dat da
HAMILTON
YAS HAMLTON
The sun never sets on the British Empire!
@Cian McCabe Why are you talking about the largest land Empire to ever exist like that?
So, I'm at least a little certain that most of the people who suggested this did it because they wanted to see you tear it a new one
Jacques Owlet ... The "new one" refers to a new anus.
I prefer to aim for the lower spine, but you can go the other direction, too.
@jay, you can't tame a shrew, nore the rage of maiden just the same, ive seen things.
That's why I watched this video. :) (was not dissappointed)
No they wanted to see her pissed. You forget this is the internet.
“Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two equals four. If that is granted, all else follows.” -1984
There are five lights? Sure darling!
Noice
the red remarque about the five light come from a star trek episode which himself took inspiration from 1984^^
I thought of that, too
That was my exact thought as she mentioned that. Wherever the five lights scene is from, they definitely took inspiration from 1984
Red, when I was a Kid I had seen a different version of Taming of the Shrew. It's main difference is that both the wife and husband torment eachother constantly. The husbands forces the wife to cook well she cooks in such a terrible way that husband suffers food poisoning and spends his night in the bathroom. The wife wants to sleep husband is snoring like crazy and even follows her to make sure she doesn't sleep peacefully etc. For every attempt the husband tries the wife does something else in defiance. Aka full comical scene they do this for the entire 2nd act until they realise that their "trolling" of each other got them bankrupt since they both neglected their duties as the owners of a household and as husband and wife. So they spend the 3rd act trying to not become homeless and bond over it. They truly fall in love after managing to beat the system and live happily ever after for the rest of their lives.
And honestly to this day I thought that that was the plot of play...
That sounds so much better than this "classic"!
You know what, that could work. It’d definitely be more of a comedy then
@@nabilasiregar3034 I think I've seen plots similar to this plot in some anime
@@cewla3348 are you talking about Roald Dahl’s The Twits? Cause that’s hilarious in it’s own right
@@ethanmacleod1721 @Terraria Classes Correct me if I’m wrong, but that doesn’t sound quite right. The Twits involves a horrible married couple. They do own a family of monkeys, but I don’t think they were well off. They did die from being upside down as well, but I don’t think it was quite the same as what you’re talking about. It was called “the shrinks” or something similar, I believe, but I don’t remember anything about subatomic particles.
I just saw an adaptation of this play that my friend directed. She framed it as pure psychological horror. I liked *that* version of the play. I can't fathom liking it as a romance, though.
"Basically by using his position of power and total control of her life to make her existence absolutely wretched while assuring her he's doing it out of love the whole time."
Did You Mean: Abuse?
THANK YOU!
butlerkitties Thank you.
Basically it
butlerkitties it's basic mind-control.
PREACH
I vividly remember watching this with my father, at a very young age, and him saying it was a comedy. I kept waiting and waiting for the film to get funny but I couldn't get it. She is being tortured where was the funny part? My father on the other hand was laughing at every scene...
Oh geez, are you ok?
I'm really sorry. Are your parents still married by any chance?
Dread Cthulhu I don’t know if there parents are still married
My father finds it funny too . . .
@@SingingSealRiana I'm not sure I think much of either of your fathers if they think this is okay to do to anyone.
My mother once told me how she got into shakespeare in highschool and her literature teacher said to her:
"Dont read Titus Andronicus nor the Taming of the Shrew until you have gone through everything else he made, you´ll hate him."
So.. I havent seen the play, but I know Shakespeare, so hear me out. Romeo and Juliet was a parody of the ridiculous love ideals of the time but everyone took it seriously and declared it the clasic love story. Isnt it possible that shakespeare tried to disguise a horror story as a comedy so people would watch it? I cant imagine any woman like Katherine seeing that play as something funny.
I´m pretty sure this is another case of Shakespeare´s plays being misinterpreted by the people of the time because they were stupid. In Romeo and Juliet no one realised they were being mocked, here misoginy resulted in people seeing this tragedy as a comedy and passing it down as such.
Just my personal opinion though.
"misinterpreted by the people of the time because they were stupid"
...Something something modern idiotic groups being too stupid to differentiate memes being made BY them and parodies made AGAINST them. o_o
We speak in the Renaissance-victorian era. People back then were whiny and sensationalistic. All of Shakespeare is fairly sensationalistic, Shakespeare mocks everything, much like Kubrick. He was kind of sarcastic and bitter. But even there is a comedic and there is a tragic aspect to Romeo and Juliet. Even the ones who mock gets mocked, Shakespeare was even a fan of mocking himself. In life truly under the perspective of someone who is bitter, anything can be mocked. And love, no matter the age, can be filtered through any means, since as a concept, anything can be associated to it. Love is like faith or religion. There is more intense love, and then there is the pragmatic one. One complain how horrible it is to burn at the stake and how dumb it is to believe in a guy dying on a crucifix while the first one enjoys everything on a dim to its fullest without asking any questions. One lives innocently while the other complain that the other one does as such. The first onel ives life to its fullest, as a fool, while the latter one is too pragmatic and enjoy life through a detached lens. Who lives truly, the one who lives shortly in a burning passion or the one who lives detached, too afraid of actually being consumed by life?
I like that idea, and hope it is true.
@@ernstjung6234 The one who lives a long life walking wisely the line between naivety and pessimism.
No extreme is ever healthy. He who questions everything will know nothing, but the same goes for those who have blind faith on everything they are told.
The greatest love is that which is forged through the fires of passion into something as reliable and solid as a piece of steel, even if it is static and doomed to rust without proper care.
It is in the twilight of ideas that humanity must walk. Cautious but unafraid, with an open mind but a critical eye.
"People tend to request videos they, you know, like."
Or videos that will make your head explode with outrage and/or frustration. They like those, too. Just sayin'.
"like those, too"... smh
That's the motivation that I inferred, too.
Wish they would do percy Jackson
You glossed over the actual reason for the bad love story. It's being told to a drunken fool who will believe anything. "We convinced him he's a noble, let's try to convince him that's it's cool to marry a woman who doesn't like him and torture her into submission. He believed that? Well I have some swampland in Switzerland to sell him too."
Said another way, it's a farce, a parody of love. It's supposed to be one of those "so ridiculous it's funny" stories. It just falls flat for a modern audience because the ridiculous thing is too close to actual abuse that happens in the real world.
You're absolutely right! And that's why this play is a classic for all times.
I'm beginning to grasp hints of 'wokrness' or feminism from this channel, because, while you are very much right. The creator of this channel fail to see how this depiction uses terminology and framing wholly appropriate for it's time, but still manages to say something about the ridiculousness of the culture of the era. If we hold people from the past by today's standards, I'm pretty sure Americans would be the first ones we would have to, not only condemn, but scrutinise their entire culture and origin!
@@theperson8539 ...no, it's more of an egalitarian vibe. Not to mention, if you do exclude the fact that it's a story being told to a drunk dude as mentioned in the original comment, it is 100% a horror story. It doesn't matter what gender you are, if you're in a relationship where you hold no control, shit like this can happen. It's just more common to hear about a woman being abused in the news, either because it happens statistically more, or it's some other factor. Red literally is trying to understand why people in the modern day enjoy reading this story. Yes, maybe something like this was appropriate at the time it was made, depending on the person, but Red never said it wasn't. She just wanted to know why there are people today who enjoy reading it/how they can think it's a love story.
@@cammiescorner I can see why people would look down on it if you consider it a love story, but that is only if you look at it as a simple love story, people, more often than not, have wildly different interpretations of things left open ended, but they also do so to something that seems to have an obvious meaning, albeit to a lesser degree. You may view it as a helpless tragedy framed as a dark comedy, or as something misogynistic, or even claim that it was an outrageous ploy to taint Shakespeare's reputation. In the end, you really have to let people form their own opinions on things, and let them enjoy things that do not have negative effects, in the end, it is just one of the many threads kneaded together to define them as a person, and only then can you evaluate their views (although it is still a bit rude).
Ah, so in essence, there's no way it could have aged well.
Seems like there's an opportunity for someone to actually remake this as a straight-up horror, just by stripping out the comedy and making the mindbreak element more explicit
Calling Jason Blum and Warner Brothers 📞🎥📣
It puts its lotion on the skin or else it gets the hose again.
Egavans It’s been done.
A local theater near me did exactly that. It was disturbing.
Challenge accepted... People tell me my comics are really and realistically dark because I overthink things to logically... (not grimdark tho... I only get grimdark when my story concept demands me to by following a scenario whereby it realistically as to get dark... And this story concept is just begging for it)... This story as potential to be a good dark horror story...
gods, I feel you, Red. I know Kathrine isn't an angel, but I feel bad for her cause nobody shouldn't have to go through that. I hate time periods where women are not equal.
I totally agree! Back then, women were seen as nothing but adamant objects, and married women were seen as property to their husbands. And all the horrible things Petruchio did to Katherine were clearly acts of spouse abuse and domestic violence! Plus, we all know that if this play took place in modern-day America, Petruchio along with Lucentio and Vincentio would all be locked up in jail for all the crimes they committed! Petruchio especially!
You mean everything from 6,000 years ago to now?
Before the idea of voting, men and women were equal, in that they had a duty to two things. Their spouse and their family, children included. Raising a healthy and successful child was the duty of every parent. Men provided monetary and physical support, while women provided mental support. Even today, the best indicator of a child's success in school and work is the situation between the child and their parents. Children learn empathy, compassion, wisdom, and all kinds of things from both a mother and father. So basically, if you want to call me sexist for saying that no one could raise a child better than loving parents and those parents need to put that duty first, knock yourself out. Oh, and the bible doesn't say a woman is a man's property. The term "submit to your husband" means listening and working together with your husband. A man wasn't just free to do whatever he wanted. Men who didn't consider their duties to their families would be looked down on, not celebrated. The Catholic church would have you believe that Mary was a symbol of purity, born without sin and is the mediator between God and man, which is not only false, but they completely ignore Joseph. When he found out that his fiancée was pregnant with a child he knew wasn't his, his first thought was not to turn her over to the courts for infidelity, but divorce her in secret, sparing her both shame and punishment. When he found out his fiancée was pregnant with a child out of wedlock, his first thought was her safety, and after the message from the angel, he proudly and openly took her as his wife. He ran around town looking for a young Jesus, showing devotion to his wife's son. Even though he suspected her of infidelity before their marriage, he STILL loved her. If I'm sexist for saying stay at home mothers deserve respect, and fathers deserve to be appreciated, you can call me sexist till the sun dies out. I'll happily die on that hill.
@James35142 This is the most cope thing I've ever read. If you want to claim the past wasn't sexist, don't use the book that HAS Leviticus. Or the part where a rapist can pay her father 40 silver in damages and he get to keep his victims. Like bro 💀
Or a death sentence for married women who didn't scream loud enough.
If you want to rewrite the oppression of women. Don't use a bronze age book that VERY clearly doesn't view women as fully human.
"He didn't hate her even if he thought she was damaged goods" is not the flex of equally you think it is.
FYI: Respecting house Wives and working dads is NOT the reason anyone would call anyone sexist bro. You're not being parsicuted for championing something mundane.
@@infiniteoctopaw. I think you, are the one who's coping, hard bro. I seen fare too many hetero romance nowdays that just boil down to pissing contests, to take this seriously. The reason this play is a comedy is because of how wrong they are for each other!
You know what would be good payback? If Petrugio's brainwashing worked TOO well and would come back to bite him. Lets say Petrugio demands that Catherine not disturb him while he is working in his office or something, and then a closet falls on top of him. As he yells for help, Catherine doesn't go into his office, because she has been brainwashed into obeying him completely and was told not to disturb him. Eventually Petrugio dies and Catherine is happily widowed-ever after!
Luke van Kleef that's way too similar to how Stalin died (he ordered guards to not disturb him no matter what happens in his room and ends up having a heart attack with no one daring to enter to help)
Actually stalin had a stroke
now THAT is something i would watch
Shakespeare's wheel of Fortune agrees with this..how ever since this is a comedy...there can't be any tradgedies
The problem is that everyone thinks shes brainwashed... she didn't lose her true identity... we gota learn to bend with eachother without breaking... The point is to have balance... They turned their pain to pleasure & in the end were happier than the rest... even if the others cldnt quite understand why... its ok let em say they're crazy... Love can be a lil insane... & all that counts is They were Truly Happy loving every light & dark piece about eachother & in doing so they turned their pains to pleasure
My teacher explained to us that this play was meant to be a comedy facing the fact of how absurd women were treated during the time. And that's what Shakespeare was trying to point out (at least that's how she stated it so she could actually read it without being pissed off).
Thank you! I thought I was the only person who gets that. In fact it is one of his best plays!
@@lenalisunshine7821 honestly not even in the top 10 but hey thats just my opinion
Nnaw thats a cop-out,the play ends with total degradation of Katherine,its like saying "Birth of a Nation" shows how bad racism is.
more like he portrayed a mysoginistic male fantasy
This is not true. Source: Masters in English Literature
Plot twist
She murders him but only after they have kids because the real reason she let herself be married off was in order to have an army of children whom she trained in the art of trickery and stabbing.
They also get a dog
Also taught the art of trickery and stabbing
Headcanon accepted. Someone greenlight the adaption.
“Watch out, that dog’s got a knife” “what, no I don’t!”
Y E S
That's what I always thought about when I found about the ending of the play.
Stabby doggo uwu!
Stockholm syndrome was real even back in the day. Also this seems like a “nice guy” hand book.
Stockholm syndrome isn't even recognized as a thing by professionals in psychology or law enforcement. This is just abuse.
Even in the name giving event in Stockholm, the victims weren’t in love with their captors, they just distrusted the negotiator even more, who in turn decided it had to be some kind of syndrome rather than him being terrible at his job
Pertruchio is neither a nice guy or a “nice guy”
@@matityaloran9157. Considering how modern day heterosexual romances are basically just pissing contests, i'd say Shakespeare was ahead of his time!
I loved this play because the version I saw in London tried its best to make it a story about legitimate domestic abuse. They dedicate at least three more soliloquies to Katherine (in haunting song form I might add) that portrays so well the horrors of what she's feeling in the situation. It even includes a suicide attempt to try to escape her captor. The monologue at the end was still included in full, but updated brilliantly updated by acting alone (words weren't changed) to a monologue of a woman who's truly been broken and Is hopelessly resigned and despairingly bitter.
I only meant to type one "updated" oops
Les Walking Dr. Musical Lover I saw a version of this play in Chicago and they decided to play up the whole gender dynamics thing and they did it brilliantly by framing it as a play done by woman suffragettes
Any chance you could upload that performance?
Hannah Cameron I was in the pit and I am tiny, do I didn't film it
Do you know where I could find this version?
I actually had my grandma suggest this play. I was going through an “unwomanly” teen phase of angst and talking back. I think she really likes this play because Catherine realizes “her place” in the end. That scared me because I didn’t think that people (especially women) still believed that crap.
Talk about a rude awakening.
I have no idea how your grandmother can see it that way. I can't even think about this story without planning how I would murder Petruchio if I were Catherine.
@bearjew Oh that sounds great, I love cats and not having to deal with overcompensating assholes. Win/Win
@bearjew Why do you guys always have to make thinks about politics?? I was just talking about my personal happiness, and here you bring in factionism. Is nothing sacred to you? Really, you disappoint me, my sweet. :(
@bearjew hmmm the sweet taste of insecurity and abuse apologism
@@Carols989 My goodness! Masculinity does not equal abusive nature. Abusive tendencies need to be fixed, while there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with being masculine. It is perfectly fine to be a man who enjoys sports and going to the gym. What is NOT okay is being a human being of any gender who treats their loved ones like this. It's totally, completely different. You turned a statement about not wanting to be in an abusive relationship into a statement about hating masculinity. Calm down.
And then one year hence, Katherine kills her husband in his sleep.
The end.
Until the Hollywood sequel, where he rises from the grave! The Maiming of the Few, in which Katerina must fight off her late husband as he tries to convince his friends that it's all fun and games, killing them when they run screaming. It only involved maiming a few, because, well, he doesn't have many friends. Then, over the deaths and chaos, Katerina finds herself falling deeply in love for the first time with her husband, who is strangely not nearly as bad when he's a rotting corpse. A romantic comedy coming to a theater near you.
I'd want to see this made into a horror/thriller from Catherine's perspective on the whole story, where her ending monologue is actually meant to lull Petrucchio into a false sense of security before she Clytemnestra's him and escapes
My English teacher made our class watch this video 😂
Your English teacher is awesome
Kiwii I want your teacher
Mine had us watch the full movie.
@@nicholaslehner3004 I'm so sorry
KravingKiwiis that’s a good teacher
It's like Fifty Shades of Grey without the kink. By which I mean if this guy was poor, it would be a Criminal Minds episode instead of a love story. Hell, I think I've seen several episodes of SVU with a similar plot.
The woman has more mental issues than the guy, but then again it takes a crazy guy to want a shrew of a woman in the first place. Modern day shrew women can be found at the bottom of the barrel on date sites to be ALONE FOREVER!
Being alone forever is a much better fate than this.
Dude, what is your obsession with women on date sites? You do realize they're not typical of all women, right?
Aaand, now I'm trying to remember a show where the wife was so beaten down, so horribly broken into keeping everything clean that she snapped and killed the husband for being so messy. She was just so broken, too broken to even fight anymore. Maybe it was the mentalist? They had to investigate to show she was really the victim in all the mess.
It was an episode of Criminal Minds. Even the kids were against the wife. And the husband had so much control over her that after she murdered him she cleaned up the blood because there would be people over and she was afraid he would be angry with her.
This is a way to kill a wife with kindness.
-Satan
Mrkindalegal Thebagopaniest
even Satan wouldn't be this mean.
Mrkindalegal Thebagopaniest If I learned something from the whole Satan-Lilith alliance then it's that , unlike God and Adam (*Eve*), Satan likes women with more character
Mrkindalegal TheBagopaniest *God.
Mrkindalegal TheBagopaniest *kill em with kindness playing in the distance*
Not even Sexy Satan could save that line.
Fun fact, a lot of people did not like this play at the time because they actually WERE horrified by how Katherine was treated. One of Shakespeare's contemporaries even wrote an unofficial sequel to it in which Petruccio gets his comeuppance.
There is a bit of subtext to Catherine's final monologue that implies she's just acting nice and really intends to possibly murder Petruccio at some point (or at least find an opportunity to punch him out), but overall, there are a lot of aspects of this play where it's kind of unclear what Shakespeare thought was supposed to be funny about the scene, or what his actual intent is. My reading of it is that it's just not one of Shakespeare's best and it just doesn't gel into a coherent whole because it really fails to take advantage of the characters. And also depicts a case of genuine psychological torture while trying to make us laugh.
When I studied this in college, the professor was so desperate to not talk about the uncomfortable stuff in it that she actually spent the entire day we were talking about the torture scene going on about a single oral sex joke that Shakespeare makes in it.
Eve in the play, one of the characters comments that “he may be more shrew than she”
I’ve never read this play but from what I’ve researched about it it seems like it’s just another entirely satirical work for Shakespeare in order to bring awareness to gender roles and treatment. I love that you highlighted that you feel it’s not his best work more so due to the writing itself and how abuse is guised as a distasteful joke throughout the play. But to me it just feels very apparent that Shakespeare wrote this with the intent to horrify people into becoming aware of this sort of treatment that was considered normal. I understand it doesn’t age well, but my genuine questions is, is it really so uncommon for people now to appreciate the conversation it brought to the table in a time where that treatment was incredibly common? I mean, the whole play is set up as a practical joke for a drunk guy, which immediately implies the tone for it to not be taken literally. Maybe I just need to read it and see for myself but that is something that confuses me that I don’t see many people talk about.
@@leilanivalentina I mean, that could have been his intent, but the real problem is that there's not a lot of textual evidence to support it, nor is there a lot of cultural evidence at the time to support it. It's just hard to get a solid reading on his intent.
Apparently, even some of Shakespeare's _contemporaries_ thought this story went too far with its treatment of Katherina.
That being said, it's implied at the end that the two never had sex until after the...urgh, "taming" was complete, so...I suppose this means the dude had at least _one_ standard?
He's still a massive douche though.
How's that a good standard??? Both sexes love sex... Imagine being in a relationship and your spouse won't touch you because you aren't the perfect spouse yet... It's also part of the torture... Don't label it has a good standard because no one wants to have sex with you... Deal with your own problems instead... But you're right about the douche part...
@@johnnycrown5097 Because in this situation, I get the feeling that if he _did_ try to have sex with her in a situation where she clearly hates him, wants out and is trying desperately to get away from him, all while he's horribly torturing her psychologically in order to make her a good little Stepford Wife...well, something tells me the word "consent" would not factor into it.
I wonder if this one, like Titus Andronicus, was either not written by him or written earlier in his career, y'know the typical early adult angst phase.
@@johnnycrown5097 You consider _not_ forcibly raping someone to be torturing them? Seriously?
Funny thing, there's a brazilian adaptation of this story set in 1920's Brazil, it's cheesy and funny, but the interesting thing is that Katharina is a hothead suffragist daughter of a Rich man, while Petruchio is a simple, down to earth, yet stubborn farmer... if I remember it right her father try to force her to marry Petruchio to "tame" her as he thinks Petruchio is one of the last manly man of the old days so if he can't do it nobody can, no surprise they fight all the time and Petruchio makes her work in the farm like his entire family to teach her how to be humble, but turns out both grow with the help of each other, Petruchio learns to be more open minded and listen more to other people, specially the women, and that rich people are not just snobs who spits complicated words, while she learns the value of hard work and to respect the "uncultured" people of the countryside, and their values... it's not an genius writing or adaptation but it's kinda funny and the "tame" is both ways.
What is the adaptation name?
Name please
I really want to know its name.
It's a telenovela called "O Cravo e a Rosa"
Please make this the standard interpretation
I think the story is interesting but I would never call it a "Love Story"
Part of me likes to imagine that it's supposed to represent the horrors of how being an independent woman with traits that were considered undesirable at the time had it rough but I feel like a better story could have been told with this concept in mind.
Darrius Cooper 
Darrius Cooper this is why I prefer the remakes such as Deliver us from Eva and 10 things I hate about you
Darrius Cooper same actually
@bearjew How was she not? By the end of the play she was a beaten down broken woman, but at the beginning she was strong willed and independent. She stands up for herself when the stereotypical woman of the time wouldn't. She doesn't just okay anything told to her like some mindless drone. While that is a liberal meaning of the term 'independent' I think it still does apply, especially compared to the end of the play.
Wait, did you mean financially independent? Because if you did, you were completely right. There was pretty much no way for a woman to make her own in the world back then.
@number one internet content Um... How did you get that message? While at the end the marriage is portrayed as the strongest one of the three, but I could hardly call Petruchio's actions as a way to "work out their differences". It's more like he took a wrecking ball to the extremely high walls of her mind, then bulldozed a clean path in. And how does it work like this in real life? When does torturing your wife ever get condoned? I'm talking present day in 'first world' countries.
I watch a version of this were basically all genders were reversed. Bianca's side of the story was infinitely funnier that way but Katherine's was really...something. I didn't know the original before but it was clear to me that the play tried to portray this marriage as purely abusive and wanted us to see that if you just switch the genders it's even more obvious. So yeah...that theater production was pretty neat
kinda telling that switching the genders makes it more obvious lol
Wait but wouldn't the audience be LESS likely to see it as abusive with the genders switched since people don't tend to recognize abused men or female abusers?
I like the play. I tried to explain why the play was horrible to my high school English teacher, but she was having none of it, and kept failing my assignments. So i learned my place and kept saying that I was the greatest of his works, this that and the other, so I could pass.
anthony degioia That kind of thing needs to be reported 😨
anthony degioia
Are you being satirical?
If so, you are a genius. :) I know you commented this a year ago, but still.
anthony degioia
So, basically you didn't like the play, so she forced you to live the play?
no, she liked the play and her teacher forced her to 'not' like it.
So, I'm not entirely wrong. She had an opinion, and was forced to deny that opinion to avoid punishment. That sounds pretty similar to TTotS to me.
Yes! Thank you! When I was taking Shakespeare we were asked on the first day what play we loved and which play we hated. I said my least favorite was this one. My Professor asked why and I said, "Because he abuses and tortures her into submission." The other students around me looked shocked but yeah that's what happened. This is nothing more than a story of abuse and how when a woman has an opinion of her own then she was just asking for it.
Why were the other students shocked?Thats exactly what happens
For the same reason my twin and I have to agree to NOT talk about this thing. She sees it all as "being ok" for him to do 'cause he does the same thing (doesn't eat, doesn't sleep, just like her). I pointed out that there's no proof that he DIDN'T go off and eat or catnap because it's HIS HOME and HIS SERVANTS. People see what they want to see.
bearjew , Which doesn't detract from the subject matter of this play (or the play contacting it) being any less disturbing (to put it mildly).
At the framing level Christopher Sly is accepting this play as a comedy, put on by the Lord who's pranking Sly. While the Bianca sections of the play is more typical courtly buffoonery we see elsewhere in Shakespeare's work, the Katherina sections get rather dark when you stop looking at them through the thick beer-goggles of Sly. Abduction, starvation, sleep deprivation. The Lord putting on this play for Sly evidently thinks Sly will find them comical when perpetrated on a "shrewish" woman. Unfortunately we never return to Sly for his reaction, so we can really only speculate. There's still a lot to unpack there, with Sly being a "tinker" as well.
As a play itself, taken without the framing - lets go with unsettling. If it weren't cast in the mold of a "Comedy" and morality tale, the Katherina sections would take very little to effort to turn into a Tragedy. Just needs Katherina committing suicide, and snowball from there.
RIGHT?! right off the bat when I started it I didnt like it and the more I read the more I hated it
@bearjew
To quote yourself:
You aren't replying to the opinions and effort to deconstruct this play, you are reinterpreting what they said to better suit your own fictional narrative.
You know, watching this makes me hope that Shakespeare made this as a kind of "A Modest Proposal" type satire, showing the horrific ramifications of the current state of the law and the power it gave husbands over their wives through what would normally be considered a comedic medium. Thus the standard reaction to the work, the general feeling of disgust, discomfort, and disdain for our protagonist and his actions, may have been the intended one, which would force audiences to reexamine their world and how gender greatly affects how much power one has over their own lives and perhaps inspire some sort of societal change.
Or, because this is a play from the 1590's, perhaps the audience was meant to be amused at the plight of a woman who was decidedly less than ideal by the standards of the time and applaud the efforts of the protagonist to bring her in line with those ideals by any means necessary....
If it makes you feel better, people at the time took 'A Modest Proposal' quite literally as well.
This was from way before the 1950s
It strikes me as possible that Shakespeare might've wrote it as a Modest Proposal, only to have audiences take it seriously and so he just nervously chuckled and played along.
In any case, the play would've been much improved by having the sharp-wittedness of Kat lauded and not crushed beneath Mr. FBI-1590's heel - he didn't really tame the shrew, he beat it into a pulp and used strings to weekend at bernies the poor girl. It's one thing to say "don't be a total bitch to everyone" but jesus... There are areas between, Bill.
I have also begun to view this play in this light as a satirical tragedy on gender roles and issues in Shakespeare’s day. It just seems too brazen in its presentation of the horrific treatment of women and even sexist behaviors of men, and the disturbingly insane lengths they go to, to be taken seriously as a comedy.
A Canadian Shakespeare company, Bard on the beach, did an adaptation of this play, where Petruchio actually falls in love with Katarina, and all his mindbreaking tactics are just him legit not thinking things are good enough for her. They manage to work things out, and when they set out to Bianca's wedding, the sun vs moon scene is just Petruchio being tired and grouchy. And when he insists the sun is the moon and tells Kate to just agree with him, she gives him this incredible look and just says "ok". Then when the old man shows up, SHE is the one who says "oh look husband, what a beautiful young maiden." And Petruchio goes along with it cause he realized he effed up and this is comeuppance. Then Kate's whole speech about obedience at the wedding is just a way to trick the whole town into putting their money into the betting pot, then she and Petruchio hold the whole town at gunpoint, take all the betting money, and run off to be bandits together. (It was a wild west adaptation.) Easily the best version I've seen😊
I always thought Catherine was pretending he convinced her, and through undermining him with his own techniques, fixes his shitty behaviour and becomes the acctual leader of the household. Keep in mind I was like 8 when i first saw the play tho.
8 year old you was a wonderfully optimistic child
It also depends on how the cast handled it. There are a lot of ways to play it, and almost nobody plays it straight (ironically for a "comedy"), so that might definitely be the impression the production wanted to leave you with.
And good for them.
狼Cass how did you follow the play’s language when you were eight? There’s no way I could’ve understood Shakespeare by listing to it
Yea I saw it in a play at 10 or sow and the final line was "twas the shrew who tamed you"
a version of taming of the shrew where she just kills the guy
Evicion i support this
Even I support this.
i support this
Yes
I support this
I remember watching the movie in high school. The only shred of saving grace in this play is at that dinner scene at the end Katherine manages to slip away. Her husband can't find her, suggesting she is not really tamed. Overall, you're right. It's basically a Criminal Minds episode waiting to happen.
Oh dear! Sorry to burst your bubble but after the wedding, Katherine does not "slip away". The men went to one room, to smoke and drink and talk about sports and sex and tell fart jokes, etc, while the women went to the slightly smaller room to talk about hair and clothes and babies (at least that's what the men believed anyway, not that they really gave a shit, once they were away from the women, drinking and playing on the x-box, or whatever they did at the time)! She's in his pocket and she's happy there.
"The moral of the story is-- DEAR LORD DON'T EVER GET MARRIED."
I died 😂
The whole believe/say you believe the impossible gave me 1984 vibes, and nobody wants their supposed lover compared with with big brother, a totalitarian government.
Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking!
Yeah she even mentioned “there are five lights” which is a torture scene from Star Trek I believe that was directly lifted from 1984.
The torture basically involves breaking someone so much that the torturer holds up 4 fingers and convinces the poor dude it’s 5. You know you’re successful when they see 5.
this has the same(ish) energy as a post i saw somewhere of a dude who had a girlfriend who went vegan for health reasons and bc dairy made her skin break out.
but the guy got sick of the veggie food and snuck some whole milk in a soy milk carton to convince her that theres nothing wrong with dairy and that "she can eat whatever she wants to" but then she started breaking out a lot
he started justifying it saying he did it for her own good 🗿🗿
You've gotta be fucking kidding me...
Ah. That bitch can burn in hell 😄.
THAT IS SO FUCKING WRONG.
That’s like tricking a person with celiac’s to eat bread. That could actually fuck their body up like crazy.
Point being, that guy has absolutely no right to tampering with her diet for health purposes. Jesus, I hope she broke up with him.
And to think he had the audacity to say “it was for her own good”
FUC-
I get not wanting to change your diet even if you're dating a vegetarian or a vegan but that is just completely wrong.
Yeah, f*ck that
The only explanation I can conceive is that Shakespear wanted people to feel uneasy about the whole thing, he wanted to write a "horror story", but write "comedy" on the title to catch people off guard and make them even more uncomfortable. Unfortunately, people saw the word comedy so they laughed.
That sounds like Will...
@@whiteraven181 the version i heard was their was another play called Shrew. and this is an act of narrative sabotage on that play.
Comedy had a different meaning back in Shakespeare's day. It was just meant to be the opposite of tragedy. Comedy back then meant that all the characters will live after the events of the play, not a term for a funny story like we associate comedy now. That's why The Tempest, Merchant of Venice, and The Taming of the Shrew are called comedies even though they are not funny. I personally don't think The Taming of a Shrew was meant to be funny, but disturbing using over the top abuse to highlight the abusive world of women in Shakespeare's time. Even Bianca does not get a happy ending from what I remember of the play, because her dad picks who she marries and all the effort of the suitors to win her heart is meaningless, if she was interested in any of them at all. Which is why Bianca seems to be more bitter at the end of the play with her husband. She never liked him to begin with and is stuck with him.
while it's nice to fantasize about I'm pretty sure that the reality is that people back then were just awful and had horrible thoughts on what women were. As well the comedy portion was namely because we were supposed to laugh at the woman's torture and also the comedy of errors of the main plot.
@@curleyqreviews9793 See, I heard someone say something similar, but put it in a slightly different manner.
The bit about the play being put on for a fake noble? Far more important than given credit. Someone like that would be absolutely horrid in a social sense. And this story? Allegorically similar. Something absolutely horrid in a social sense. I believe this backfired and that part was overlooked, so Shakespeare never attempted writing like that extent again. Using allegories as lesson, a small story to coincide with the larger one, though, is something seen often in his works.
I'm no literary major, and would never claim such, but it would partially redeem what seems to be one of his most hated works.
Is fifty shades of gray a modern version of this where an incredibly creepy, abusive and controling man is framed as being desirable?
YES
Having never read 50 shades but being mildly curious about it (just because I've heard it come up often but know next to nothing about the plot), I am now more than a little scared to read it
@@sylversquirrel4703 You´re not really missing much really, they´re mediocre books followed by even more mediocre movies. Nothing particularly kinky or scary. What bothers many people is that it frames BDSM as a controlling and abusive environment, which really isn´t
At least Taming of the Shrew had good and witty dialogue while Fifty Shades has none
@@lordcawdorofmordor2549 I mean, obviuosly fanfic is incredibly worse than Shakespeare, I meant it more as a funny thought about cultural sensibilities and how pop culture can frame fucked up situations as good
They should rename it "Stockholm Syndrome: Elizabethan Style" and relabel it as a horror/psychological thriller.
I really don't think this counts as stockholm syndrome tbh
Lady of Crows it is basic mind control. This is equivalent
6:36 It's significant that he speaks of her as if she were an animal, a bird of prey or some other creature, in need of being domesticated or tamed. It reminds me of the way that Gaston speaks of Belle in the current version of "Beauty and the Beast". A man who sees a woman as being a creature inferior to himself is not going to treat her well, whether or not "love" is a part of the equation. Believe it or not, there are some people who think that Gaston is initially a good partner for Belle, right up to the point where he slugs her father in the jaw and leaves him for the wolves. Yikes! What are people thinking?!?
The only reason I like this play is because I hold the stubborn belief that the whole play is supposed to be ironic. If for no other reason than Shakespeare's track record of being a low-key feminist relative to the era
If being forced to read and re-read MacBeth in English class has taught me anything, it's that Shakespeare believed that women could have autonomy over themselves and influence over men. Plays within plays and heavy use of irony were so ubiquitous in Shakespeare that it's almost easy to forget and read the works straight all of the time.
I kind of want taming of the shrew to be remade specifically as a horror movie.
Taming of The Shrew: Gaslight before Gaslight was a movie
Gaslight before the camera was invented
Gaslight before gaslights were invented
i always thought he was trying to show how bad it is when one person has all the power in a relationship
By abusing that power?
Yep exactly! He was showing her being demanding and inconsiderate can go both ways. The shrew learned a valuable lesson one she would only learn by enduring herself. Walk a mile in someone else’s shoes. But leave it to the feminist to find the horror in a comical classic.
@@294inLouisiana Wtf? Are you talking about? Dude, how delusional can you be? Do you really, REALLY think, being a b!tch and rude is equal and comparable to starving, sleep depriving, physically & s_xually abusing your partner while locking them away into a place where they cannot have any power or someone to talk or take help of all while doing the literal textbook definition of gaslighting towards them telling them that you're doing all that bc you love them? Are you f_cking kidding me?
@@294inLouisiana holy shit dude
The whole, play within a play being performed before a drunk guy is supposed to show how none of this play is meant to be a serious portrayl of anything healthy.
But do the English teachers care that Shakespeare was a comedian? Nope. Romeo and Juliet, a tragic love story according to English teachers, is actually a youth-bashing comedy. Do the English teachers care? Nope
Maybe that's why it reads so over-dramatically in modern English. Maybe it was back then too and it's not 'just how they talked back then'. I'm sure they don't do that in his actual tragedies like Othello
bmw789 If you think abusing and straight up torturing someone until they have no choice but to agree with you is “working out your differences” then you got issues
I’d have to agree. I feel like it’s a really odd detail to add in if it wasn’t meant to be thought about. Not saying there isn’t a chance Shakespeare was just being a jerk here but I’m not 100% sure that’s it.
Yeah people forget about Romeo and Juliet and what it actually meant so often. I could never take it seriously when I was younger because of how insane it all seemed. I enjoy certain serious versions of it now, like the musical and Baz Lurhmanns adaptation but the original play never seemed serious because, well it wasn’t.
@number one internet content I don't understand where you got the rude and uncaring part from Katherine. As far as I can tell she just wants to be treated with a smidgeon of human decency, to put it lightly.
I was in a Shakespeare phase in middle school and early highschool and my dad bought taming of the shrew for me on DVD. I like it because I like Katharina at the beginning of the story. The fact that a woman with options was written about 400 years ago was a pleasant surprise. I also like rails against her sexist father and suitors.
It eloquently shows the terrifying plight that women can go through... I like it in the same way I like the Handmaid's tale.
To be honest, I thought it was categorized as a tragedy, not a comedy. It's almost as terrifying as the Shakespeare-play-that-shall-not-be-named.
Well, Queen Elizabeth was not amused.... Billy-boy almost lost his head
Lol really. Wait wasnt she the one who also refused to marry? Interesting... XD
I am a Unicorn yep, due to her father having 6 wives and beheading 2 (one being her mom :( ) she chose to never marry or have children.
That's a really good thought. Was this a political jab at someone? Maybe telling the queen to just choose a husband already. Or an alegory for something else going on at the time. Hmm, deserves research.
Source on that?
@@majikhu5171 it was also because she believed that her role as head of state is more important than having a husband
Perhaps this was meant to be subversive?
Hear me out.
For one, its a play within a play. The one guy is a fool, so right there this suggests they're entertaining a man who wouldn't understand how bad the relationship is. He would accept everything at face value, whereas those telling the story would know better.
Plus, Catherine would have been played by a man. By having a man in this role, it could highlight how ridiculous it is to treat a woman that way. Because, in a way, that's exactly what an audience of that time would have seen. Albeit, it still would have the characteristics of a play and you usually have a suspension of disbelief, but it's at least plausible.
We've seen him write powerful women who don't bend (Cleopatra, lady Macbeth, etc). Why he would write one who does so violently makes very little sense.
@bearjew
Because Shakespeare never had traditional 17th centaury views. He always wrote women as strong and independent. People of other colors as likable and strong characters.
I think Shakespeare was tired of watching women get treated poorly, and tried to make this play to have men see that but it got misunderstood.
Wait a sec. Who is the fool?
@bearjew so, some of the most empowering FICTIONAL CHARATERS have been the most evil of villains. Just remember, the best villains don't see themselves as villains, and often think what they are doing is right.
Also, a villain is not necessarily a bad person, just the antagonist to the protagonist, as can be seen in The Merchant of Milan, another of Shakespeare's works. While a little murderous, and greedy, the merchant not voiced by Jeremy Irons is still, for his time, not an evil person.
remember, hate is much like love, easy to talk about when you don't really feel it. anyone capable of communication with another being who is capable of understanding the first being, can use the words love, hate, and many others.
for example, a person could say they hate something to an absurd degree, but when an opportunity presents itself, almost no one will actually act on such hatred.
Let us say we have a character, now let's call this fictional character Steve.
let's say Steve hates Bob. okay, now does that make you feel anything for or about Steve or Bob?
now compare
Steve sees him, the one who caused all his pain and suffering, the one who stole his true love, his one chance at true happiness. Steve burned wit ha rage he could not quench, except with the blood and death of this thief, this despicable monster who leisurely strolled before him, with Steve's one true love at his side no less, and so, Steve marched over to Bob and decked him in his face, then he strangled Bob to death, while Karen, Bob's fiancé watched in jaw-dropping horror as her love of ten years died before her very eyes.
so, which makes you actually care about Bob and Steve more? likely the longer one as it actually offers a reason as to why Steve hates Bob.
Does it make Steve a good person, well society says murder is a bad thing so best to say no, Steve is by no means a good person, but it does make him more relatable to anyone who has ever felt anger, hatred, (envy or jealousy, I always get those two confused), and other negative emotions of a similar nature.
what I am trying to get at is that writing a main character who you are supposed feel sorry for, or pity, is a lot more difficult if that same character is also a terrible excuse for a human being as well.
but it gets easier when you are offered a reasoning behind their actions.
the WHAT is irrelevant to the audience if they have no WHY to justify it.
@bearjew "has occasioned a decline in birth rates that looks like an extinction event."
No it hasn't.
bearjew “a decline in birth rates that looks like an extinction event”
What in the actual fuck are you talking about?
"Moral of the story, DEAR GOD NEVER GET MARRIED" i died inside XD
I would say the moral of the story is: Don't be a shrew, since the other wives had it better then Katherine, and Katherine only got the short-end of the stick because she was mean and violent.
@@imaran1303 Victim blaming much?
@number one internet content Uh, no, that isn't the message at all.
@@MrGreensweightHist Nah, cause any good man would have been the victim. The woman was a piece of shit, so she got together with a piece of shit. Happy Ending if you ask me, moral of the story: don't be a piece of shit.
This is literally every single YA lobe story. Like literally After is like this
I also think Katetina is very misunderstood and the fact that she is "mean" is meant to justify this guy's treatment towards her
My English teacher taught this play to teach that Shakespeare wasn't perfect. It's a good pick for that argument.
Was your English teacher a woman or a turtle necked BETA male by any chance? Yeah I bet so!
Maybe he was a bit of a beta male. They're more popular with women, anyway. Why do you care?
Among shrimp, the beta male disguises himself as a female to live in the alpha's territory. The beta then mates with the females while the alpha isn't looking and they end up having his children instead.
Are you a salty alpha shrimp, lordelamore? ;)
Cafe Vampire
Soooo trans people are beta Shrimp?
I second that and raise you, "Titus Andronicus."
I have a headcanon that Katherine snapped and killed her husband only two years later after she decided she couldn't take his treatment of her anymore. it makes this play more bearable.
Alicethereaper666 I mean, when Shakespeare was still alive people re-wrote this to have the ending you said
When you realize this is what Ten Things I Hate About You is based off of
The sisters have the exact same names too 😂
Is it? Ill need to rewatch, i remember loving it as a kid
dale wilson 10 things I hate about you just takes out the Abusive thing tho if I remember correctly.
Plus he's being pressured into/paid to do it, and she has more power in the situation.
I’ve always thought of this play as the most disturbing horror story ever
Now I've found all the evidence I need to stay single my whole life
You needed more evidence.. Really? Thats why you'll be single all your life? Really?
@@Ivar97 Well what else do you need?
True. Or become bi
Well... or don't marry a jerk. And if you do, make sure you are capable of standing up to him/her. A big issue with domestic abuse (although I am by no means at all an expert; this is just an impression) is that many victims don't feel they can come forward. The legal system is there (it wasn't back then) but it's important to be able to utilize it and other resources to seek help. In general though, don't marry someone that is controlling and abusive.
haha... I agree!
I actually clicked on your video, because as a young guy in high-school I couldn't get even halfway through (despite the exam), I loathed it so much. Thank you for reaffirming my decision. Horror story indeed...
"Can you see why I have problems with this play?!"
Yes, and as someone who's never read this, I have problems with it now!
I feel like either way you slice it, the whole starvation and sleep deprivation shit is really hard to interpret in any legal or moral way without making it a metaphor.
You know, it's embarrassing to say, but until watching this video I had no idea that Taming of the Shrew was a comedy. I've never directly read the play- just kind of absorbed the basic synopsis through osmosis in high school. And honestly thought it was some sort of angsty drama that got retrofitted for other genres cuz it was popular. I'm kind of horrified this is considered funny.
Apparently even people at the time thought this play was horrifying and apparently someone made a different version where she snaps and kills him while Shakespeare was still alive
At the time the difference of tradegy and comedy only referred to the fact that in tragedy everyone dies and in comedy people get married and don't die. So by this definition it is a comedy, although it is not funny
Ophelia Brock Read the play. These breakdowns are bullshit.
@@sarahhenning5484 False.
A tragedy is a story where bad things happen to good people, while a comedy is a story where bad things happen to good people.
my friend wants to see this play because she likes shrews
....
poor girl
Does she mean the animal shrew?
+Red Gallo yes
Too bad that's not what the play is about
Well it will teach her how not to be in life.
I should NOT have snorted as loud as I did when I read this comment. Poor thing. It was 2 years back which means I presume she saw it by now, so if you'll still respond to this: How'd it go?
Also, loredalamor throughout the entire comment section you've been an active advocate of domestic abuse if the abusee isn't "well behaved" and it's clear you don't see half of the planet as people. Take a look at your life, man. Clean your shit up.
my english teacher as showed us this video and... WOW! i'm totaly facinated by your charisma, your cute animation, your venomous speach, and your unceasing flow of words. but this point make my comprehension difficult (Even you have a clear voice and excellent articulation). fortunately for me this video have auto-subtitle. (sometime wrong but that's better than nothin) but some others video have nothing. so have you planned to subtittle your video? i don't ask for french, i can read english ^^ but that's can help me to understand more of your genius video to read a subtitle in english.
thank's you, good job, and happy to see you again.
So I performed this play in high school (probably one of my favorite plays I’ve ever done simply because it was my first time doing Shakespeare) and the way my director wanted to interpret it was that both Katherina and Petruchio tortured each other in some way and throughout the course of the play realized that they had both sort of “tamed” each other. Katherine was, well, angry, aggressive, and downright violent at times. Petruchio was domineering, cruel, and saw women as only object to obtained and used for his personal gain. Throughthe act of the “taming,” both Katherine and Petruchio grasp how awful they had been not just to those around them, but also to each other and realize how much they actually compliment each other, sprouting a genuine romance from their initially poorly structured relationship. This allowed for us to do actual, genuine comedy as a result and made the overall experience much more enjoyable when you weren’t thinking about the moral implications of the play when viewed under the modern lens.
However, this was not the case originally, and it took some time and a few rewrites of the script before the director actually decided that that’s the direction he wanted to go in. It was a tumultuous time before we decided on the overarching moral of the story when we all thought there was a possibility we would be performing a very... uncomfortable play for most. I, however, kept pushing the concept that the whole play is actually a story being told by a bunch of conmen trying to steal a drunk dude’s wallet, with the role of Petruchio being played by said drunk guy as the band of conmen induct him into the play as the “lead role” where he proceeds to “tame” a “shrewish woman.” I thought it’d be a wonderful way of showing that the content of the play do not reflect the ideals of the performers and writers whilst also including some hysterical moments as an added bonus, as what I believe was Shakespeare’s original intention. Don’t you think it’s such a strange detail to include at the beginning and end of the play when you could you really just perform the whole thing without those specific scenes in them, and it would change absolutely nothing about the story itself? Strange. Regardless, we ended up excluding that part of the play and going with the theme I described above which, while not as funny as the drunk dude getting ripped off, definitely was more profound emotionally and significantly less misogynistic.
This is a strange one for me as I thought Shakespeare loved women. But this is a play within a play being told to a drunk. The poor guy is being messed with already (being convinced he's a noble). The whole "taming" with Caterina could be just a way to screw around with this guy. That's best case scenario anyway. Another idea is maybe, this is a cautionary tale. You wanted to entertain, maybe educate the masses you use theatre. Kind of like going "hey girls watch out for this type of guy." I don't know, just spitballin'.
I'm glad you did this one because I don't like most Shakespeare to begin with, and this one sounded skeevy on top of that. So thanks for biting that bullet for me.
I will say that, at the point you described Catherine going full "sure, 5 lights, totally," I thought it was going to go in for a twist with Petruccio having a "my god, what have I done?" moment, and realize that he had had a Henry Higgins realization that the woman he'd been attempting to beat down was a woman he wanted to keep challenging him.
I think the evidence is pretty strong that this was one of Shakespeare's first plays (Oxford chronology list it as his 2nd) and he was still working with simpler and more "comfortable" characters that played well with the masses, unlike the more nuanced figures he would later write. But yeah, it's a real piece of work.
Brett DuVale Nope. Closer to the early middle. Comedy of Errors is earlier, and both female characters are pretty human in that.
I always took that final monologue by Katherine as sarcasm...
That sounds suspiciously like Winston Smiths character arc from 1984, apparent protagonist is broken through systematic torture until they learn to "love big brother"
It basically IS that. The original is as close to that as it is to 10 Things
I think that's what Red was getting at when she said 'There are 5 lights?' at 8:11. Although the lights part comes from Star Trek, it was an idea that originally came from '1984' when the protagonist is made to believe the person is holding up 5 fingers while they are actually holding 4.
I was also thinking it looks luch like what an authotitarian goverment would do to its people. For their own good, bviously.
When it happens to a woman, it's a comedy. When it happens to a man, it's a tragedy.
i'm using brevity for humor please don't flame me
Solum made to believe 2+2 is 5 and not 4. 1984 is one of the scariest books I've read till date.
I dunno, I think a modern romantic comedy portrayal of "The taming of the shrew" would be possible today....
If Jordan Peele directed it...
Andrew Dunklee Ten Things I Hate About You was based off of it.
That would be great! He'd add a fascinating race angle too. If Petrochio is black it's a commentary on the stereotypes of how black men behave in marriage. Or if he's white the same with white male stereotypes. But if Catherine is black it would be commentary on how black women tend to behave in their marriages. The same if she's white, just with different stereotypes. (I don't know, I'm just trying to come up with ideas. I'm not trying to be racist, please be kind.) It can be about how much of their own personalities are based on the social expectations on their gender and race, and how that affects them when they get married and how it clashes. Maybe Bianca can also be in a similar situation, she's just able to put on more of a smile than Catherine who won't put up with any faking, she'd also feel trapped in her gender and race and it's social expectations and she hates all these men fighting for her, like a prize to be won, so she feels trapped as well. Catherine isn't a 'perfect' girl but no one wants her. Bianca is a 'perfect' girl and everyone wants her. Both are trapped by their personalities and their society's view of their gender. It's a true horror story.
I mostly like the 10 things I hate about you version, where Catherine has agency of her own and Patrick is treating her like a person. That version is more reminiscent of Much Adu rather than the Shrew, but I still prefer it
I only JUST NOW realized that 10 Things I Hate About You is a version of this story, and I have watched this exact video before. lol
@@MyPisceanNature Well....
10 Things I hate About You = Taming of the Shrew.
West Side Story = Romeo and Juliet.
She's the Man = 12th Night.
The Lion King = Hamlet.
Get Over It = Midsummer Night's Dream.
My Own Private Idaho = Henry V
A Thousand Acres = King Lear.
Jimi G Lion king and she’s the man are two of my favorite Shakespeare adaptations. Lion king mostly because of the jaw dropping gorgeous animation. She’s the man had Amanda banks, who I had a bit of a crush on as a teen
Red: “So you’d think that someone like Petruchio would be the ideal candidate for her right?”
Both me and Red: “*NO!*”
Perhaps the moral of the play is things may not always be what they seem. I mean. Although Bianca seems as though she is sweet and Gentile, it is seen that she constantly flirts with server different suitors, only follows her own rules, and refuses her husband when he calls all of these being a big no no back then. Even Trainio pretending to be Lucentio and Lucentio pretending to be Cambio and Hortensio pretending to be a music tutor is an example of this. So maybe Katharine's monologue at the end is supposed to be mockery of the men "in charge"and almost her way of making fun of them for buying this act. I personally enjoy the play because of this and the fact that it does show how issues like this were looked upon then.
+Colette Caspari Yes. THIS. I contend that the entire reason why people love this play.... is because of the acting. The ENTIRE THING is stuffed with "we say one thing when its really the opposite". From the framing story of the fake nobleman to the bait-and-switch courting to the long monolouges explaining how exactly a character is lying.
The plot is taking the 'role of woman' to a comedic extreame that even in Shakespeare's day was uncomfortable. And the people who love this play think that was the entire point. (Does that make it better?)
When I read this I only really understood the Katherine-Petruchio nasty half, because the bits with Bianca just had everyone dressing up as everyone else and I couldn’t keep all of the dudes with ‘O’ names straight.
But, yeah, this play is an actual disaster, and I read it because it had a funny name.
hahahahha. I see your point why you don't like the play. I also don't like that play for the same reason.
however, I like the play only because of their first meeting (which i found pretty hilarious) and the part where Hortensio showed off with a lute around his head.
also I appreciate that you made this video as part of my request (sorry for the trouble though). and I thank you very much :)
Re-watching this on Halloween after running out of OSP Halloween episodes to re-watch. It is the most terrifying of horror stories.
Is there ANY WAY to make this story at least remotely functionable in modern day? 10 things i hate about you changed the plot quite a bit and still it is hard to root for the protagonist during half the play - or movie. This is seriously super-antifeministic and even anti-humanitary. It hurts my brain.
Make it the story of Sansa and Littlefinger? He breaks her to prevent the world eating her whole, but she turns the tables on him later. Or make it that they are both sociopaths, but he is higher functioning one. He teaches her how to fake being normal but when they are alone, they are like Joker and Harley Quin.
There is one other way, but it would make this reverse Beauty and the Beast: he is nothing but kind to her.
The one other way I can think of potentially adds more unfortunate implications. She wants to join special forces/ branch of armed forces that are extremely hard to get into. He is drill sergeant for that branch. He puts her through hell so she will become stronger and, when she actually joins, the real training would be a breeze.
I read the Taming of the Shrew back in high school, all on my own volition. I regretted it.
I'm a guy and I wasn't even comfortable with the book's themes. It's not a guy power fantasy- it's a showcase of misusing power for psychological tyranny.
@bearjew what the fuck is that supposed to mean
big brain smart man anally shreks liberal
@bearjew
The opposite, actually. Too few words. Perhaps you'd like to expand on what you meant, provided you aren't an arrogant coward who knows he messed up with a comment like that.
@@primerprime596 don't bother with him, after reading some of his comments I realised he is a nutcase, arguing with him is pointless. You might as well spend your time doing anything else rather than waste it here on him
Thank you!
+Overly Sarcastic Productions
Two things
Red, don't apologize for the lack of chibis. It would have made this weirdly cute when it really should not be. Though honestly, chibi Titus Andronicus would have been hilarious.
Now, I'm with most of the other commenters. It's a good one if you think of it as a psychological thriller with a comedic subplot (Bianca and suitors) rather than a romance. And/or mockery of men who think they're in charge and have all the power. Another commenter David Johnston put it pretty well.
"The framing device although usually dispensed with by modern versions is probably intended to set this forth as satire. The victim has been deceived into believing that he has power when he has none. This is apparently a mockery of men who deceive themselves into thinking that they have all the power in a marriage. But, I'm sorry to say that this satire is probably directed more at the other men than it is as Petruchio who demonstrates that he has far more command over his wife than they do.
At the same time however, Petruchio has created a world of illusion for himself. He has trained his wife to always lie to him at least at any point when when the truth is something he might not want to hear. He has her obedience, but the only way he'll ever know whether he has her loyalty is when she seizes a moment of carelessness or vulnerability and betrays him. Maybe not even then"
Petrucchio thinks he is strong and better than other men becouse he has an obedient wife. It is pathetic. It is not a challange to force someone to obey you throu hunger and sleep deprevation. Everybody can do so. He chose to fight in a brutal way with a woman and not other brutal man or his weaknesses. Low.
Yes, precisely. He's deluded himself into thinking he's in charge and powerful by punching down at a target that can't fight back
Well the reality of the story is that the guy was feeding her anyway, and then she realized that she had to play along and before we even knew it, she was the puppet master and was pulling all the strings, little food for thought there if you want to here it.
How is she pulling all the strings? She humiliates herself and other women on order.
@@juliaxxx26 think of it this way, if she plays along and waits she can either
A) continue to live with him, letting him live, and serve him
or
B) escape by:
1, killing him,
2, running away when no one is able to catch her fast enough,
or
3, getting another man to become attracted to her (this is Shakespeare) and have the newly attracted man kill her husband, thus putting her in charge of him, though this would change depend on if the new man is attracted to her being submissive or her being her real self.
following answer B, sub set 3, she then has 2 immediately obvious options, 1 is to wash, rinse, and repeat what she did to her ex, or 2, stick with him.
if he is attracted to her real personality and she is also attracted to him, then a fairy tale ending will ensue.
if she is not interested in him, or he attracted to her being submissive, then she just has to get rid of him.
and if she were to plan out her ex's death, then her new man's death, then she could have all that they owned as her own, or the properties would be transferred to her father, depending on the laws in her region.
now why did I waste my time on this again?
So...the trope of horrifying events being played for laughs is older than we thought?
Also, now I have an idea for a one-shot where Katherine poisons Petruchio and it's not clear if she honestly believes she is doing it out of love (like he claims abusing her is out of love) or she's sarcastically using his own twisted thinking against him.
I remember reading this in 6th grade, and being so UTTERLY disgusted with it. I truly didn't understand why my teacher agreed with it at ALL. It's great to see this feeling put into a video (there are definitely others who feel the same way, however I like this one a lot). Thank you for reading my comment. Good morrow!
There is a theory that it was satirical and critical, and that Shakespeare was kind of a feminist.
Okay, so I know my opinion is unpopular and all, but I like Taming Of The Shrew.
Yeah, yeah I'm a terrible person, but hear me out: Taming Of The Shrew was my first exposure to a Shakespeare play that had a character that did not fit their expectations of 'womanhood' (whatever that means). Thus, viewed Katherina as a hero. She fights against the attempts to force her into the role until they literally torture her into it. If you guys have read 1984, I view this play as very similar.
So to me, it is a story that highlights what is wrong with our society by showing one girl (Katherina) which is being forced to bend to society, and the other (Bianca) which has always been a slave to it. It also doesn't have a happy ending and shows the cold, unforgiving truth (which I am a sucker for). I always cry at the end when Kate has her identity completely erased by society, to the point where she becomes someone who would force others to comply (mostly out of mourning for the person she once was).
Yeah, I know that this is a weird way to think about it, and to those who view it as a love story instead of a psychological thriller illustrating the harm of the status quo: I kinda- sorta judge you... sorry.
Asura Heterodyne interesting way to see it, I do agree that it is very similar to 1984 in that it does ultimately show a falling of our protagonist to the very real harmful society.
The actual hero of Taming of the Shrew was the husband of the shrew.
Modern day versions of the Shrew is the cancer known as feminism, which drives off descent men from wanting any form of relationship with women.
loredelamore cancer known as radical feminism, or the third wave of feminism*
the husband uses torture tactics to 'tame' her. How is that heroic, thats abusive.
Asura Heterodyne So you're saying it's a tragedy? Sounds pretty Shakespeare to me
I can-unfortunately-see how romantic comedies might have been inspired by this play:
>Stuck Up/Super Busy woman is having dating problems (or does not want a man)
> Man comes in and negs and humiliated her into dating him
> Hijinks ensues
> Big damn kiss with woman completely head over heels with dude
Ugggggggggghhhhgg
The Ugly Truth
10 Things I Hate About You
It hurts how accurate this is
Kiss Me Kate is a musical about this play - way better (with awesome music)
THAT'S why it sounded so familiar! -_-
“There are five lights” reference from Star Trek is genius
This was the first Shakespeare play I ever read and for that, it holds a place in my heart for starting me down my path of questioning all literature and really paying attention to what I read. Thank you ninth grade english teacher!
My teacher talked about this story. He said it's a questionable story that people somehow enjoy to refer and talk about. Now that I've seen this, I'm extremely terrified of this story and sad for Katherine.
Ever saw "10 Things I Hate About You"?
GameStation3 that's what I was thinking
GameStation3 OH MY GOSH I JUST MADE THAT CONNECTION
GameStation3 Always thought Bianca was a weird name in that movie.
GameStation3 I guess the difference in that movie is pertruchio turned out to be pretty chill
Hey :P I meant it is not that common of a name in movies.
My lord this was unsettling. It really gets me because some of my relatives, classmates and unfortunately some of my friends would probably agree with the "protagonist" *intense sound of chunky wet, no faith in humanity vomit sounds*
I swear one time my school held a production of little shop of horrors and the dentist character said a line about keeping women in their place.
The amount of cheers from guys was so deeply disturbing it began my trend of having faith in no one in the school. I did that for every school before but each time I moved I hoped their were decent people and this was the largest one I had been to so I hoped that statistically there had to be at least a few. But life shat in my dinner once again with the overwhelming amount of support that one line got.
The absolute worst part was the fact that the guy who started the cheer was not only really popular, but was also from my previous school and was someone I deeply respected. And the fact that I knew girls would still wanna go out with him despite having a very obvious gigantic red flag shoved in their face like that sucked.
Stories like this make you hope that it's so cartoonist bad that reality has to be better.
Reality is often disappointing
So did you SAY anything to these people?
Jesus Christ...
@@BJGvideos To the giant screaming crowd? no. I wasn't the type of person with the confidence to do that back then. Nowadays I do, but that took some work internally
@@stellarkat4657. Please, this story wouldn't be out of place nowdays, and it's sad.
@@justsomeguyanimations. Here's the kicker though, are we supposed to like or sympathise with Any of the characters in this story? Why do you think the phrase"argue like a married couple"exists?