My introduction to the Collins Line was through David Shaw's book, "The Sea Shall Embrace Them," about the sinking of the steamship Artic. Glad to see this shipping line getting some attention. Thank you!!
Outstanding job, so tragic about Mr. Collins, living alone in his final years in an apartment as a widower and not much money apparently. Tom, you do such a great job, I hope you teach somewhere a Maritime history class.
"Content with not being quick at all" is the second greatest usps burn I've ever heard. First is the one where someone calculates that turtles could deliver packages sooner.
Captivating You are a master storyteller. The narration and music are wonder. The graphics are astonishing. I love the shot of two women in period dress on the shore. This was so well produced and told.
No, the lines you’ve never heard of and never will are the most depressing ones. There were tons of transatlantic shipping companies that started, left for their first voyage and were never seen again. No record of who is on board, just the name of the ship and the people who owned it.
This seem the to be one of the most tragic stories I heard in Ocean-going transport. I feel like Edward and everyone that was part of this company should be remembered for what they did. and this line shouldn't be forgotten.
Remembered as an idiot, that thought a government subsidy would help cover cost, which it would not. then instead of dumping the subsidy, pushed his ships to murderous routines of full power no matter the safety problems. what a complete ass hole, happy he died alone and broke, he deserved it after he did that to so many other families, all because he was chasing the dollars.
While a lot of people have been giving you suggestions for future studies, how about the wreck of the S.S. Republic? Not to be confused with the White Star liner that sank in 1909, the 1853-built paddle steamship Republic was originally a cargo ship that was originally named the S.S. Tennessee, carried California Gold Rush prospectors and even mercenaries heading to Central America, and became involved in the Civil War as a Confederate blockade runner before becoming captured by and used as a gunship by the Union. Renamed as the Republic, she sank in a hurricane as she was taking goods and immigrant passengers to the defeated South for the Reconstruction era, including a huge fortune in gold and silver coins to replenish the South's economy. The commercial archaeological/shipwreck exploration company Odyssey Marine Exploration, Inc. discovered the wreck and her treasures in 2003. She was and interesting ship that lived and exceptionally interesting life that I'd like to see shared with your viewers here too. Feel free to contact Odyssey whenever you want to do a video or videos studying her.
I think I may have heard of that ship actually. Another suggestion that I have is more of a challenge: the passenger ship SS President. The first steamship to sink on the transatlantic run. Most results I get when I search the name especially on TH-cam is the riverboat. I feel this ungainly but bold of the first ocean liners deserves its story to be told as best it can. :)
It seems the ships of the Collins line were like the supersonic aircraft Concordes years later. Ahead of their time, heavily subsidied, expensive to operate and were ultimately not profitable.
Sounds like the subsidies weren't worth it and they dragged the company down more than they actually helped. No idea why he accepted that raggedy post deal that made him lose money hand over fist since he had to drive at inefficient speeds. Plus he got unlucky. As did the Concorde eventually.
@@annnee6818 concorde ahd a rough start as well when bitter americans tried to stop the Anglo-french (ie non american) plane being given permission to land
@@andrewyoung749That was because of noise complaints. Around that time, the US had its biggest protests in history to this day due to environmental concerns (~20 million people on the streets), so for political reasons they were not necessarily wrong to be concerned regarding environmental reasons.
every engine is inefficient at full throttle. So given opportunity to run at a more economic speed Collins' steamers would be as effective as Cunard's.
Beautifully crafted and elegantly told, this story of the Collins Line provides dignity to the triumphs so often overlooked from its forgotten place in maritime history. From this captivating video, we now know the role that Edward Collins had in creating and operating these gorgeous liners, that have been so lovingly brought back to life. The architecture and artistry of these five vessels has never been discussed in such vivid detail. In first reading about the Collins Line from the Time-Life book series on The Liners, the tragedies that befell both the Arctic and Pacific, and the subsequent collapse of the line, made one feel profound sorrow for Edward Collins. The efforts being made here to honour his place in history through the provision of a grave marker is a very noble endeavour. We wholeheartedly support your efforts and look forward to seeing this visionary figure receive the kudos so long deserved. Many thanks for your incredible efforts and this extraordinary channel.
Thank you so much got such a supportive comment! I’m honored to be able to share these stories, and hope you enjoy the coming installments on the Arctic and Pacific!
Excellent video, Tom. When you chalk up on a board the many coincidences that caused the downfall of the Collins Line, it draws a fascinating chart of government short sight, brewing unrest, and utter bad luck. The marker idea sounds just the right thing to do and honour the man. Go for it.
I just discovered your channel and subscribed. I've watched about 4- 5 videos. You're presentation is so professional and fascinating. I'm hooked. Thank you. 🌟🌟🌟
I've watched several of your videos. I'm pleased at the quality of work. Well researched and good writing. Good delivery. Nothing lacking in the graphics. Nicely done. That's the overall impression of all of the work. Thank you for your fine efforts.
In many ways the entire history of the Collins Line was just like the last two decades of the White Star Line. Plagued with bad luck and faced by economic and political enemies on all sides.
I'm new to your channel, and absolutely love it!!! I wanted to find out if you ever were able to get a marking for Mr. Collins grave. Can you please let me know where I can go to contribute. Keep up the great work, and thank you for keeping the history alive.
First video of yours I've watched in a long time. I think luck struck right for the Collins Line, and then immediately reversed course. It's a shame, too. He seems like a good guy, and his company seems reliable. Of course, I don't suppose I'll ever know for sure; I don't live in 1850's America.
Great video as always. I hate to give video ideas but maybe you could take a look into the Moore McCormack line I haven’t seen much documented on this shipping company and it seems interesting on the surface
Well done sir. I anticipate you next educational offering even without an Ascott . (sincerely your videos are excellent) Take note National Geographic.... or ok the History Channel
Watching this video that you presented and especially the end of it's with the unmarked grave of the guy in question. Has brought back extreme memories of my own grandmother. Not having a grave marker. I myself wanted to put one there. But I have no way to get to supposedly where she is buried. So this will never happen. Keep up doing good videos. I look forward to seeing More of your videos on famous ships from the past. That have sunk and what happened when they did. Exactly in detail
Thank you for the video. I have some historical information I need to get together to donate to the museum from both the Perry and Collins shipping lines. I'm a Perry by birth Collins by marriage
We would love to put a grave marker on Edward Collins’ grave but need permission from a relative. Would you please email me at tlynskey@historicalfx.com
🚢These steam ships by the Collins, they look almost like the black ships that US Navy Commodore Matthew C. Perry🇺🇸would use to steam the ships towards the Pacific Ocean to go west and reach Japan🇯🇵 for Perry’s goal to end the 220 year Japanese isolation policy by the Tokugawa Shogunate in 1853. Believe me, the mid-1850s was a time for Japan🇯🇵 to start opening its country for both Western European and US trade agreements. And later on, Japan’s Edo/Meiji culture would become a economic cultural growth in the world of the late 19th century!
I believe your right, my maiden name is Perry, yes from the. Perry shipping line, and I married into the Collins shipping line. I need to get everything together band donate it before bi get much older
How about Exploring Bath, Maine; The City of Ships. Bath was the site of the First Ship built in the U. S. at its original settlement, Popham. It is possible that more ship's tonnage has been built in the extended city of Bath than in any other 10 mile piece of water frontage at any other location in the U. S. The Bath Iron Works may be the last yard building BOTH commercial and military ships in America! sdh T.A. '67
Yeah my cousins grew up there and their dad (my uncle) is a engineer at the shipyard and has been for 30 years. Such a beautiful city and it has history galore
@@PartTimeExplorer Yes, I have watched both of these several times. As my grandmother on my dad's side was a Berry, her husband was the executor of the Lina Sewell's estate and I am therefore a cousin of Ada Katherine Minott Haggett wife of Frederick Michell Haggett, I was hoping for more about the shipbuilders.
Your story telling is great I have been watching the videos nonstop the past few days, amazing history, I can't believe how passionate yet how tragic the ends were for some many of these pioneering mariners. For instance the people ramming into Fulton's Steamboat trying to disable it, I thought maniacal saboteurs was a more modern thing but it appears the neanderthals have always screwed with people. May they be flagellated to death for their crimes against innovation, preferably by a marauding paddle-wheel.
_(so this was the origin of the America's Cup; that yacht was a beast and Steers was a genius)_ Managed to squeeze in some time for this. I walk away with a far heightened knowledge now of the Collins Line and increasing sorrow that it went out the way it did. Edward was a visionary, a master of his trade, a fine human being with a wealth of knowledge, and is one of the great American pioneers as far as I'm concerned. Sounds like what did the line in was a triple whammy of a stingy Congress, a prejudiced South, and an especially harsh treatment by fate of which I fail to understand why. I assume that Congress' refusal to give Collins ample funding was also the beginning of America's going away from being a seafaring nation. Big, big shame, perhaps none more so than Edward's family not even having the care to mark his grave. This story and the bit more I know about it only increases my resolve to follow in the footsteps of men like Edward and someday bring my own superliner to life, one that will dominate the scene. Cunard, as much as I admire, look up to, and respect them, only increasingly sound to me like a greedy competitor that wants a complete monopoly over the Atlantic and would rather there be no one else around to challenge them. Now there isn't anything necessarily wrong with that, but it's as if they feel entitled to it. I don't know, that's just what I think. It puts me in a more revolutionary mood than anything. I can see why Willy Gibbs wasn't especially fond of British people. XD
I love watching this channel a little drunk and pretending to be a sea captain sailing the oceans, but alas im just sitting here drunk in Kentucky too drunk to taste this chicken.....
My first thought was this host looked alot like me when I was younger. Then it dawned on me he is a dead ringer for Ron Swanson. So ipso facto I used to resemble the legendary Ron Swanson. I'm kinda proud at the moment. Think I'll draw me a fine American Scotch.
My introduction to the Collins Line was through David Shaw's book, "The Sea Shall Embrace Them," about the sinking of the steamship Artic. Glad to see this shipping line getting some attention. Thank you!!
I have that book. Haven’t read it yet but look forward to.
That was my introduction too!
Mine as well! David Shaw's book is a captivating read.
Outstanding job, so tragic about Mr. Collins, living alone in his final years in an apartment as a widower and not much money apparently. Tom, you do such a great job, I hope you teach somewhere a Maritime history class.
"Content with not being quick at all" is the second greatest usps burn I've ever heard. First is the one where someone calculates that turtles could deliver packages sooner.
Captivating
You are a master storyteller. The narration and music are wonder. The graphics are astonishing. I love the shot of two women in period dress on the shore. This was so well produced and told.
Agreed!
The Collins line must have been the most depressing shipping line in Transatlantic shipping history.
that's what i was thinking lol
Honestly, I may have to agree with you guys here. XD
It's a pleasure to find you here Freedom Loving Loyalist - Big fan.
Well, at least they didnt smuggle ammunition on liners, using American citizens as human shields , ay?
No, the lines you’ve never heard of and never will are the most depressing ones. There were tons of transatlantic shipping companies that started, left for their first voyage and were never seen again. No record of who is on board, just the name of the ship and the people who owned it.
It’s amazing how quickly things can turn around in life
I knew something about the Collins Line, it is nice to get a new perspective.
This seem the to be one of the most tragic stories I heard in Ocean-going transport. I feel like Edward and everyone that was part of this company should be remembered for what they did. and this line shouldn't be forgotten.
Remembered as an idiot, that thought a government subsidy would help cover cost, which it would not. then instead of dumping the subsidy, pushed his ships to murderous routines of full power no matter the safety problems. what a complete ass hole, happy he died alone and broke, he deserved it after he did that to so many other families, all because he was chasing the dollars.
While a lot of people have been giving you suggestions for future studies, how about the wreck of the S.S. Republic? Not to be confused with the White Star liner that sank in 1909, the 1853-built paddle steamship Republic was originally a cargo ship that was originally named the S.S. Tennessee, carried California Gold Rush prospectors and even mercenaries heading to Central America, and became involved in the Civil War as a Confederate blockade runner before becoming captured by and used as a gunship by the Union. Renamed as the Republic, she sank in a hurricane as she was taking goods and immigrant passengers to the defeated South for the Reconstruction era, including a huge fortune in gold and silver coins to replenish the South's economy. The commercial archaeological/shipwreck exploration company Odyssey Marine Exploration, Inc. discovered the wreck and her treasures in 2003. She was and interesting ship that lived and exceptionally interesting life that I'd like to see shared with your viewers here too. Feel free to contact Odyssey whenever you want to do a video or videos studying her.
I think I may have heard of that ship actually. Another suggestion that I have is more of a challenge: the passenger ship SS President. The first steamship to sink on the transatlantic run. Most results I get when I search the name especially on TH-cam is the riverboat. I feel this ungainly but bold of the first ocean liners deserves its story to be told as best it can. :)
I remember watching the documentary about this ship from National Geographic many years ago.
It seems the ships of the Collins line were like the supersonic aircraft Concordes years later. Ahead of their time, heavily subsidied, expensive to operate and were ultimately not profitable.
Sounds like the subsidies weren't worth it and they dragged the company down more than they actually helped. No idea why he accepted that raggedy post deal that made him lose money hand over fist since he had to drive at inefficient speeds. Plus he got unlucky. As did the Concorde eventually.
@@annnee6818 concorde ahd a rough start as well when bitter americans tried to stop the Anglo-french (ie non american) plane being given permission to land
@@andrewyoung749That was because of noise complaints. Around that time, the US had its biggest protests in history to this day due to environmental concerns (~20 million people on the streets), so for political reasons they were not necessarily wrong to be concerned regarding environmental reasons.
@@unconventionalideas5683 As if "environmental concerns" never ever have been used to push political agenda 😉
every engine is inefficient at full throttle. So given opportunity to run at a more economic speed Collins' steamers would be as effective as Cunard's.
Finally, someone covers this company!
Brilliant work! Such an intriguing story; success and fame to tragedy and unmarked graves, truly a tale for the ages 👍
Lovely video Tom Lynskey thanks for giving this ocean line more recognition so these ship's aren't completely forgotten
I am quite taken by the openness and authenticity of the narrator. Fine video. TY
Beautifully crafted and elegantly told, this story of the Collins Line provides dignity to the triumphs so often overlooked from its forgotten place in maritime history. From this captivating video, we now know the role that Edward Collins had in creating and operating these gorgeous liners, that have been so lovingly brought back to life. The architecture and artistry of these five vessels has never been discussed in such vivid detail. In first reading about the Collins Line from the Time-Life book series on The Liners, the tragedies that befell both the Arctic and Pacific, and the subsequent collapse of the line, made one feel profound sorrow for Edward Collins. The efforts being made here to honour his place in history through the provision of a grave marker is a very noble endeavour. We wholeheartedly support your efforts and look forward to seeing this visionary figure receive the kudos so long deserved. Many thanks for your incredible efforts and this extraordinary channel.
Thank you so much got such a supportive comment! I’m honored to be able to share these stories, and hope you enjoy the coming installments on the Arctic and Pacific!
Excellent video, Tom. When you chalk up on a board the many coincidences that caused the downfall of the Collins Line, it draws a fascinating chart of government short sight, brewing unrest, and utter bad luck. The marker idea sounds just the right thing to do and honour the man. Go for it.
This was really sad, but a good short doc. Thanks man.
I just discovered your channel and subscribed. I've watched about 4- 5 videos. You're presentation is so professional and fascinating. I'm hooked. Thank you. 🌟🌟🌟
Thanks!
Thank you!
Great video. I never heard of the Collins Line before. I love your in-depth videos on maritime history. 👍
Starting watching your channel yesterday, and constantly watching now during free time. Great to get away from “todays” terrible world.
This was an amazing video. I only got this video because Edward Collins portrait was used as a halfling portrait in arcanum
Great video Tom, really looking forward to the rest of the series. 👍
I've watched several of your videos. I'm pleased at the quality of work. Well researched and good writing. Good delivery. Nothing lacking in the graphics. Nicely done. That's the overall impression of all of the work. Thank you for your fine efforts.
In many ways the entire history of the Collins Line was just like the last two decades of the White Star Line. Plagued with bad luck and faced by economic and political enemies on all sides.
These videos are remarkably good! Thank you for making them.
I'm new to your channel, and absolutely love it!!! I wanted to find out if you ever were able to get a marking for Mr. Collins grave. Can you please let me know where I can go to contribute. Keep up the great work, and thank you for keeping the history alive.
Great research and edit, from an old U.S. Navy Photojournalist.
Thanks for the video I've always been interested in this line
On the unrelated note, i just realised that Edward Collins photo was used as one of the PC portraits in Arcanum: Of Steamworks and Magic Obscura.
Keep up the good work Tom!!!
I just found your site. I have a new hobby!! Thank you so much for all your hard work and videos.
Thank you for this video. This is such a sad story, and I had no idea about it till now
You should do the story of Cunard and ships of Cunard like you did with WSL
I like to see that too.
Funny how he hasn't done that yet actually. 😅🤣
Wow, Amazing video as always tom!
this is so educational. thank you for the compilation and presentation
Nice job on this video. Very well done.
First video of yours I've watched in a long time.
I think luck struck right for the Collins Line, and then immediately reversed course. It's a shame, too. He seems like a good guy, and his company seems reliable.
Of course, I don't suppose I'll ever know for sure; I don't live in 1850's America.
what an amazing video well done good sir
Great video as always. I hate to give video ideas but maybe you could take a look into the Moore McCormack line I haven’t seen much documented on this shipping company and it seems interesting on the surface
What an amazing piece of work. Fantastic.
great job!!! thank you for putting these togeth🥳🥳
Your navy stash is epic and really sells these docs.
Well done sir. I anticipate you next educational offering even without an Ascott . (sincerely your videos are excellent) Take note National Geographic.... or ok the History Channel
You are the best. Great show!
Great video
Watching this video that you presented and especially the end of it's with the unmarked grave of the guy in question.
Has brought back extreme memories of my own grandmother. Not having a grave marker. I myself wanted to put one there. But I have no way to get to supposedly where she is buried. So
this will never happen. Keep up doing good videos. I look forward to seeing More of your videos on famous ships from the past. That have sunk and what happened when they did. Exactly in detail
Really enjoyed this
Thank you for the video. I have some historical information I need to get together to donate to the museum from both the Perry and Collins shipping lines. I'm a Perry by birth Collins by marriage
We would love to put a grave marker on Edward Collins’ grave but need permission from a relative. Would you please email me at tlynskey@historicalfx.com
Collins my grandmother .
i love your ship history videos
“Stop naming ships after me! Every time that happens they either sink or get lost!” E.K. Collins, probably.
So touching and depressing really. Edward collins really tried so hard.. its just so sad and tragic..
Now I know why the Fourth Corn had to die on The Lusitania.
Good stuff. Thank you.
British myself but what a sad story for a man that seemed as much a maverick and innovator as anyone else i can think of.
Great research! 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 A sad story of bad luck that befell a great American sailing entrepreneur 😔
Big accomplishments start with dreams and Actions.
Intresting. Please do the same documentary on white star line!
I did! It’s on my channel
This is the first time I'm hearing of this company
I heard of it before, but knew nothing about it, until I found this video.
🚢These steam ships by the Collins, they look almost like the black ships that US Navy Commodore Matthew C. Perry🇺🇸would use to steam the ships towards the Pacific Ocean to go west and reach Japan🇯🇵 for Perry’s goal to end the 220 year Japanese isolation policy by the Tokugawa Shogunate in 1853. Believe me, the mid-1850s was a time for Japan🇯🇵 to start opening its country for both Western European and US trade agreements. And later on, Japan’s Edo/Meiji culture would become a economic cultural growth in the world of the late 19th century!
😊But the way, I’m waiting for LUSITANIA and her virtual tour has its now May 7th! I’m so excited for LUSITANIA!👍
I believe your right, my maiden name is Perry, yes from the. Perry shipping line, and I married into the Collins shipping line. I need to get everything together band donate it before bi get much older
These old steamers are so elegant!
How about Exploring Bath, Maine; The City of Ships. Bath was the site of the First Ship built in the U. S. at its original settlement, Popham. It is possible that more ship's tonnage has been built in the extended city of Bath than in any other 10 mile piece of water frontage at any other location in the U. S. The Bath Iron Works may be the last yard building BOTH commercial and military ships in America! sdh T.A. '67
Check out my videos on the Wyoming and Cora F Cressy- both from Bath, and I show a bit of the maritime museum. It’s one of my favorite museums
Yeah my cousins grew up there and their dad (my uncle) is a engineer at the shipyard and has been for 30 years. Such a beautiful city and it has history galore
@@PartTimeExplorer Yes, I have watched both of these several times. As my grandmother on my dad's side was a Berry, her husband was the executor of the Lina Sewell's estate and I am therefore a cousin of Ada Katherine Minott Haggett wife of Frederick Michell Haggett, I was hoping for more about the shipbuilders.
Hey Tom, are you planing on doing a Historical Telegrams style video about songs from the Collins Line period?
Nice Topic Tom when is the next coming up I will support it
Great video, sad story! Life, fame, wealth is so brittle.
0:34 ocean waves are seriously realistic
Just by the name of the line, i can tell those ships could feel it coming in the air tonight
Can you do a series on the Cunard line?
You know I do feel really bad for Edward
Collin wasn't lucky at all. Thank you Tom!
Your story telling is great I have been watching the videos nonstop the past few days, amazing history, I can't believe how passionate yet how tragic the ends were for some many of these pioneering mariners.
For instance the people ramming into Fulton's Steamboat trying to disable it, I thought maniacal saboteurs was a more modern thing but it appears the neanderthals have always screwed with people.
May they be flagellated to death for their crimes against innovation, preferably by a marauding paddle-wheel.
i love you channel and i would love what you the about the ss caribou
Wow the only shipping Collins family I knew of was from Dark Shadows.
Another fantastic video. Keep up the great work!
So I had said that these videos would exceed expectations no matter how high they were placed. I was right.
Could you do a vid on the build of the Discovery which was purposely made for Cpt Scotts antartic exploration.
Awesome!
One thing you omitted is that the Collins liners were the first to have steel hulls!
Not even Cunard used steel back then.
They weren’t though- they were of wood
@@PartTimeExplorer Not what I read.
this is legitimately sadder than the titanic movie I swear to god I'm not joking
Collins deserved better.
What a sad tale, he did nothing wrong but fate seemed to use him as a plaything
LETS GOOO THATS WHAT I WANTED :D
so good
_(so this was the origin of the America's Cup; that yacht was a beast and Steers was a genius)_
Managed to squeeze in some time for this. I walk away with a far heightened knowledge now of the Collins Line and increasing sorrow that it went out the way it did. Edward was a visionary, a master of his trade, a fine human being with a wealth of knowledge, and is one of the great American pioneers as far as I'm concerned. Sounds like what did the line in was a triple whammy of a stingy Congress, a prejudiced South, and an especially harsh treatment by fate of which I fail to understand why. I assume that Congress' refusal to give Collins ample funding was also the beginning of America's going away from being a seafaring nation. Big, big shame, perhaps none more so than Edward's family not even having the care to mark his grave.
This story and the bit more I know about it only increases my resolve to follow in the footsteps of men like Edward and someday bring my own superliner to life, one that will dominate the scene. Cunard, as much as I admire, look up to, and respect them, only increasingly sound to me like a greedy competitor that wants a complete monopoly over the Atlantic and would rather there be no one else around to challenge them. Now there isn't anything necessarily wrong with that, but it's as if they feel entitled to it. I don't know, that's just what I think. It puts me in a more revolutionary mood than anything. I can see why Willy Gibbs wasn't especially fond of British people. XD
cool im gonna forget all this in 10 minutes!
I love watching this channel a little drunk and pretending to be a sea captain sailing the oceans, but alas im just sitting here drunk in Kentucky too drunk to taste this chicken.....
I have heard of this company and the 2 ships that sank
Imagine if the Collins Line was still competing against Cunard today.
Do a story on the america's cup J Boats
Sick I wasn't really late
Is that a death photo? The eyes are freaking me out.
I see my name up there!!!
Did you use the plans for the fleet?
Did you ever get a grave marker for Mr Collins???
can i have ANY sources?
and he paddled away, paddle paddle.
Benedict Arnold Cunard Family.
My first thought was this host looked alot like me when I was younger. Then it dawned on me he is a dead ringer for Ron Swanson. So ipso facto I used to resemble the legendary Ron Swanson. I'm kinda proud at the moment. Think I'll draw me a fine American Scotch.
Interesting
I put in on that memorial. Here's to the old salts!