Hey Jake, I too prefer to have more control of my system. I’m taking a Python course online which I am enjoying. We have come to the section about using IDEs. Thanks but no thanks. I’m setting up vim to be my IDE. It is incredible how complicated people can make things when there is usually a simpler solution if one is willing to take the time to look. So, I’m setting up vim one function at a time as I need it. Keeping it simple these days is not easy but well worth it IMO. On that note, I’ve avoided Awesome and I3 simply because of size. I’m using DWM with one patch and I’m happy. I know. I’m not like most people. Shrug. I just do my thing and let everyone else do theirs. Good luck with Lua and have fun! God bless you and your family.
I'm taking python right now for my degree, and I am sticking with vim as well, can't get behind vscode or pycharm or the other side offerings out there, I prefer good old vim.
I've been an AwesomeWM user for years now and I personally think of it as more of a framework just because of its "powerfullness". It did take a while for me to get used to how AwesomeWM works and how to navigate the docs, but it got better for me after roughly a week of configuring, so I do wish you luck. I actually wrote my config from scratch rather than edit the default config and I personally think that's what helped me the most (other people's config also helps).
Yeah, my plan is to try and write from scratch but we will see how that works out for me. I try not to use other people's configs unless completely necessary, just because it can too easily become a crutch and turn into copy paste, and at that point I am no longer learning anything.
@@JakeLinux I agree, though I did find some things that I thought I wasn't able to do or things that I could've done more easily by looking at what other people did with their config. But I remember wanting to throw up looking at other people's config for the first time because I got overwhelmed by it. And now my whole AwesomeWM config has roughly 1800 lines
0:35 I got into Nix either before using void, or when I wanted to try something new after having used void once. It wasn't as cool as expected. I had to install programs, which obviously already were on the system in order to use them. And installing custom programs without writing a nix script is almost impossible.
Great video. I agree with you on that lengthy lua config file. It is not easy to find the line you want to edit. I know that you can break it up into different multiple files I've seen it i just don't want to do it because i know i will mess up my setup. I'm looking forward on how your setup will look like after the end of the challenge.
I think a far more interesting Debian challenge would be, since not using a rolling release anymore, to go an extended period of time with repo packages and source code only. No flatpaks, no snaps, no nix, no containers, no nothing. Just debs and for the occasional rolling release application compiling the source code of testing and/or sid. Would you be able to do the things you need your computer to do?
@@JakeLinux , hard to say since debian 12 is fairly recent, so most software would be up to date anyway, but which applications would you identify as having to be updated frequently? The web browser? Email client? If you play games, the steam launcher? Wine? I don't know how you use your computer and what you would need it to do.
This is the way I used Debian stable for several years. I didn't have a problem. I used the Deb or compiled apps from source. I just switched to Void last month for something different.
been using SID for the last 2 years without any problem, in my modest opinion SID is for the desktop, stable for servers or desktop if you really need something rock solid. but as i said, SID for me has been rock solid for the last 2 years, you just have to read what apt says when doing an update. sudo apt update&& sudo apt upgrade (not full-upgrade) every week and you'll be fine with SID.
@@ricardonunes709 , sid would be a rolling release and not a challenge anymore. For desktop use, testing would be sufficient too. It all depends on how a person uses his computer. If your use is for webbrowsing, and office work, Debian stable would be sufficient too. You'd need only a few applications to be the "latest and greatest", which you could compile from testing and/or sid. But a power user on Debian stable? How would that work out with debs and compiled packages only? Without breaking the system of course. That would be a worthy challenge, wouldn't it?
I can hack through the awesome config file easy enough and get what I want, all except the wibar. I just cannot do anything with the bar. Thanks for the video. I look forward to this series.
I can fumble through it ok too, it is just a mess and overly complex, I have made a few changes so far, the real test will be when I attempt to completely make it my own.
I don't think so, only way to do that I think is to do a members poll, but then people have to be channel members to vote. I have a few dwm setup videos and will do another in the future.
@@JakeLinux I've seen most of your window manager videos, They've been very informative and useful. I liked the "herbstluftwm vs dwm". I hope you enjoy your time with Debian. I don't play too much with my system as a longtime Debian user. It'll be interesting to hear your dislikes with the Distribution. Will definitely be looking forward to your update.
@@JakeLinux Very newcomer friendy, with a familiar desktop layout for windows user. Kummander intefce looks like windows 7, both based n debian. It's been a hard time for me to adapt myself to other Linux base distros like void, arch, solus... I got stuck to Debian way of doing things.
I'm thinking of trialling Debian 12 on my Pinebook Pro, using the 3 main universal packaging formats, and Distrobox, for installing applications. So it'll be interesting to hear your final thoughts, at the end of this 30 day challenge. 🙂 Did you report that wifi bug to Debian?
I didn't report the bug, I will here at some point in the near future. So far I am a fan, having never used debian before I am pleased. There are a few oddities (to me anyway, probably normal to any debian users) like network manager on debian does not automatically manage interfaces, you have to edit the config and change that setting, but over a pleasant experience so far.
@@JakeLinux Hmmm that is one video I need to watch. That sounds interesting. I liked Awesome but I couldn't handle Lua. I used Openbox back in the 90s and liked the easy to understand syntax of the configuration. Currently Xfce is my home once again.... For now anyway.
Seeing your icon tray crammed over to the left reassures me I'm not mental. I like you, don't like the window tabs, I like mpris information of the song that's playing in Cantata. I managed to c/p a widget from the awesome wiki which worked, but before that I just could not get the sys tray to snap over on the right as is normal. stalonetray didn't work, it kept appearing exactly where yours is now, and so I thought I was just going to have to live with a goofy systray until I put that widget in, then somehow the tray just snapped back to the right. So obviously wibar has issues with nothing being in the middle of it. I'm a bit concerned now because I've managed to get things installed, Ly display manager working for the first time, and I was also under the impression Awesome was dead simple. I really really really don't want to have to go WM shopping again.
If there are no middle widgets, then the right side widgets start all the way over at the end of the left, there is no automatic buffer between the two, kind of annoying.
Using Debian Bookworm for the whole summer, to see if I want to switch over to Sid later on. I'm keeping things simple, not breaking past deb packages or building. I want to feel back at home like I did when I began Linux. Debian really pulls through for me. As for Awesome, it's eh okay in my books I guess? It's been around forever, so it passes the time-tested criteria. Its defaults are okay, livable, nothing special. To go further, I don't really consider Awesome just a window manager. I consider it a Lua-lovers desktop environment. Standalone window managers that have an extensive widget configuration scheme don't strike me as just being window managers anymore. Have a good day and god bless. :)
I have thought about sid, may check it out after my challenges are over and I get back to void. Looking forward to getting my system back to normal and building VMs again.
@@JakeLinux Sid is honestly right where the longtime Ubuntu (interim, not LTS) users should want to be if they don't like the direction Canonical is taking with Ubuntu. It isn't as daunting as installing major system patches from Arch, but it sits closer to Fedora in terms of updates, to me anyways.
Guess what, the Debian guy is going to install Gentoo. Thinking about using dwm or maybe giving leftwm a try on gentoo.......truth be told, I will probably start with i3.
@@user-ny8bi just started my kernel compile , i used the standard kernel because I dont know enough about USE flags. it is going on a 2015 macbook air with an i5 - 5250 . Expecting it to finish tomorrow.
@@JakeLinux it's actually pretty great, there's pacstall for debian now as well which works to imitate the AUR. That being said it seems under utilised as there's been a few attempts to imitate the aur and they all die out
I was very disappointed with Debian's redesigned website. It was an epic fail. The release announcement for Debian 12 had links to the various ISOs. They should have been the ones doing the redesign.
@@JakeLinux That depends on the articles in the wiki. Some are better than others. I think some are at the level of Arch or Gentoo. Others, well not so much.
"Meh" window manager..haha doesn't sound catchy enough. I'm working my way towards a pure Debian install, but first I am going to tackle MX Linux, the Debian for noobs.
@@JakeLinux I tried it for about a week, here are my thoughts: It's a predictable system as would any Debian-based system. It uses both systemd and sysvinit init systems, so it isn't what others would call a "protest distro"... Which I find kind of dumb to categorize a distribution as, but whatever. There's a lot of defaults to make new users more comfortable getting into Linux, and their installer is designed to make messing with low-level options a whole lot easier. It has GUI tools to generate live environments, as well as repair/rescue tools from the maintainers themselves. In general, MX Linux tries to keep the base stable and software as fresh as comfortably feasible and without having to "cross streams" dependency-wise, potentially breaking things. I'm more than used to the command line, but everything the Antix team and MX maintainers does keeping Debian "down to earth" is really nice.
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Hey Jake,
I too prefer to have more control of my system. I’m taking a Python course online which I am enjoying. We have come to the section about using IDEs. Thanks but no thanks. I’m setting up vim to be my IDE. It is incredible how complicated people can make things when there is usually a simpler solution if one is willing to take the time to look. So, I’m setting up vim one function at a time as I need it. Keeping it simple these days is not easy but well worth it IMO.
On that note, I’ve avoided Awesome and I3 simply because of size. I’m using DWM with one patch and I’m happy.
I know. I’m not like most people. Shrug. I just do my thing and let everyone else do theirs.
Good luck with Lua and have fun! God bless you and your family.
I'm taking python right now for my degree, and I am sticking with vim as well, can't get behind vscode or pycharm or the other side offerings out there, I prefer good old vim.
hey ive been watching your channel for about 8 months and I love it
Thank you for watching, I greatly appreciate it and I'm glad you are enjoying the content.
I am running Debian 12 with JWM and i love it! It's my home!
JWM is such a nice window manager! Tiny configuration file, easy as can be to understand!
I have never tried jwm, will have to check it out
FreeBSD challenge when?
I could do a freeBSD challenge, I have debian to finish, then artix, after that I could do freeBSD. You may need to remind me.
I support that too, maybe even FreeBSD then OpenBSD ^^
I've been an AwesomeWM user for years now and I personally think of it as more of a framework just because of its "powerfullness". It did take a while for me to get used to how AwesomeWM works and how to navigate the docs, but it got better for me after roughly a week of configuring, so I do wish you luck. I actually wrote my config from scratch rather than edit the default config and I personally think that's what helped me the most (other people's config also helps).
Yeah, my plan is to try and write from scratch but we will see how that works out for me. I try not to use other people's configs unless completely necessary, just because it can too easily become a crutch and turn into copy paste, and at that point I am no longer learning anything.
@@JakeLinux I agree, though I did find some things that I thought I wasn't able to do or things that I could've done more easily by looking at what other people did with their config. But I remember wanting to throw up looking at other people's config for the first time because I got overwhelmed by it. And now my whole AwesomeWM config has roughly 1800 lines
@@smeueg 1800! Wow! That is crazy.
0:35 I got into Nix either before using void, or when I wanted to try something new after having used void once.
It wasn't as cool as expected.
I had to install programs, which obviously already were on the system in order to use them.
And installing custom programs without writing a nix script is almost impossible.
It has its downsides that is for sure, I'm not as sold on it as most people seem to be.
Great video. I agree with you on that lengthy lua config file. It is not easy to find the line you want to edit. I know that you can break it up into different multiple files I've seen it i just don't want to do it because i know i will mess up my setup. I'm looking forward on how your setup will look like after the end of the challenge.
Thanks, the config is a mess, I am curious what I can do with it as well. We will see.
“I feel blessed”. Stop it.
Stop what?
@@JakeLinux2:31
I Am a Void User Too
Btw
I'm missing void at the moment. Can't wait to get back once my challenges are done.
I think a far more interesting Debian challenge would be, since not using a rolling release anymore, to go an extended period of time with repo packages and source code only. No flatpaks, no snaps, no nix, no containers, no nothing. Just debs and for the occasional rolling release application compiling the source code of testing and/or sid. Would you be able to do the things you need your computer to do?
I'm game, how long do you suggest?
@@JakeLinux , hard to say since debian 12 is fairly recent, so most software would be up to date anyway, but which applications would you identify as having to be updated frequently? The web browser? Email client? If you play games, the steam launcher? Wine? I don't know how you use your computer and what you would need it to do.
This is the way I used Debian stable for several years. I didn't have a problem. I used the Deb or compiled apps from source.
I just switched to Void last month for something different.
been using SID for the last 2 years without any problem, in my modest opinion SID is for the desktop, stable for servers or desktop if you really need something rock solid.
but as i said, SID for me has been rock solid for the last 2 years, you just have to read what apt says when doing an update.
sudo apt update&& sudo apt upgrade (not full-upgrade) every week and you'll be fine with SID.
@@ricardonunes709 , sid would be a rolling release and not a challenge anymore. For desktop use, testing would be sufficient too. It all depends on how a person uses his computer. If your use is for webbrowsing, and office work, Debian stable would be sufficient too. You'd need only a few applications to be the "latest and greatest", which you could compile from testing and/or sid. But a power user on Debian stable? How would that work out with debs and compiled packages only? Without breaking the system of course. That would be a worthy challenge, wouldn't it?
pls where can i get that wallpaper
I will push it to my repos soon
I can hack through the awesome config file easy enough and get what I want, all except the wibar. I just cannot do anything with the bar.
Thanks for the video. I look forward to this series.
I can fumble through it ok too, it is just a mess and overly complex, I have made a few changes so far, the real test will be when I attempt to completely make it my own.
Could the sample of the poll clarify whether they were mainly from Subscribers or Non-Subscribers? BTW I was really hoping for dwm.
I don't think so, only way to do that I think is to do a members poll, but then people have to be channel members to vote. I have a few dwm setup videos and will do another in the future.
@@JakeLinux I've seen most of your window manager videos, They've been very informative and useful. I liked the "herbstluftwm vs dwm". I hope you enjoy your time with Debian. I don't play too much with my system as a longtime Debian user. It'll be interesting to hear your dislikes with the Distribution. Will definitely be looking forward to your update.
@@JakeLinuxBTW Jake, what's your take on membership Reddit vs Lemmy??
@@jahmaldujon9010 I've been enjoying it so far, debian is a great distro
What about LMDE?
Never used it,
@@JakeLinux Very newcomer friendy, with a familiar desktop layout for windows user. Kummander intefce looks like windows 7, both based n debian. It's been a hard time for me to adapt myself to other Linux base distros like void, arch, solus... I got stuck to Debian way of doing things.
I'm thinking of trialling Debian 12 on my Pinebook Pro, using the 3 main universal packaging formats, and Distrobox, for installing applications. So it'll be interesting to hear your final thoughts, at the end of this 30 day challenge. 🙂
Did you report that wifi bug to Debian?
I didn't report the bug, I will here at some point in the near future. So far I am a fan, having never used debian before I am pleased. There are a few oddities (to me anyway, probably normal to any debian users) like network manager on debian does not automatically manage interfaces, you have to edit the config and change that setting, but over a pleasant experience so far.
GVJ. Have you ever gave Spectrwm a go Jake, its not written in lua LOL.
I love spectrwm, it was number 5 on my top 5 window manager list.
I don't use window managers where I need to know a programming language to configure it. This is not the 1980s or 90s.
I prefer just using a bash script, that's one of the key reasons that herbstluftwm is my favorite window manager
@@JakeLinux Hmmm that is one video I need to watch. That sounds interesting.
I liked Awesome but I couldn't handle Lua. I used Openbox back in the 90s and liked the easy to understand syntax of the configuration. Currently Xfce is my home once again.... For now anyway.
What is the font name you using in vim ??
My font is caskaydia cove nerd font
please share your dots
Soon, I will push them to my repos as soon as they are presentable.
Seeing your icon tray crammed over to the left reassures me I'm not mental. I like you, don't like the window tabs, I like mpris information of the song that's playing in Cantata. I managed to c/p a widget from the awesome wiki which worked, but before that I just could not get the sys tray to snap over on the right as is normal. stalonetray didn't work, it kept appearing exactly where yours is now, and so I thought I was just going to have to live with a goofy systray until I put that widget in, then somehow the tray just snapped back to the right. So obviously wibar has issues with nothing being in the middle of it. I'm a bit concerned now because I've managed to get things installed, Ly display manager working for the first time, and I was also under the impression Awesome was dead simple. I really really really don't want to have to go WM shopping again.
If there are no middle widgets, then the right side widgets start all the way over at the end of the left, there is no automatic buffer between the two, kind of annoying.
Using Debian Bookworm for the whole summer, to see if I want to switch over to Sid later on. I'm keeping things simple, not breaking past deb packages or building. I want to feel back at home like I did when I began Linux. Debian really pulls through for me. As for Awesome, it's eh okay in my books I guess? It's been around forever, so it passes the time-tested criteria. Its defaults are okay, livable, nothing special.
To go further, I don't really consider Awesome just a window manager. I consider it a Lua-lovers desktop environment. Standalone window managers that have an extensive widget configuration scheme don't strike me as just being window managers anymore. Have a good day and god bless. :)
I have thought about sid, may check it out after my challenges are over and I get back to void. Looking forward to getting my system back to normal and building VMs again.
@@JakeLinux Sid is honestly right where the longtime Ubuntu (interim, not LTS) users should want to be if they don't like the direction Canonical is taking with Ubuntu. It isn't as daunting as installing major system patches from Arch, but it sits closer to Fedora in terms of updates, to me anyways.
Awesome! 😎
LLAP 🖖
Thanks Bruce, hope all is well with you.
@@JakeLinux Yep still kicking... Lol
Guess what, the Debian guy is going to install Gentoo. Thinking about using dwm or maybe giving leftwm a try on gentoo.......truth be told, I will probably start with i3.
Gentoo? For fun, or for a certain reason? Let me know what you think.
@@user-ny8bi just started my kernel compile , i used the standard kernel because I dont know enough about USE flags. it is going on a 2015 macbook air with an i5 - 5250 . Expecting it to finish tomorrow.
you could run devuan with runnit, given you come from void
Going to look at that if I end up sold on debian
@@JakeLinux it's actually pretty great, there's pacstall for debian now as well which works to imitate the AUR. That being said it seems under utilised as there's been a few attempts to imitate the aur and they all die out
@@JakeLinux no worries, have a lovely friday Jake
@@limpa756 thanks, you too.
I was very disappointed with Debian's redesigned website. It was an epic fail. The release announcement for Debian 12 had links to the various ISOs. They should have been the ones doing the redesign.
The website is horrible, I'm not a huge fan of the wiki yet either.
@@JakeLinux That depends on the articles in the wiki. Some are better than others. I think some are at the level of Arch or Gentoo. Others, well not so much.
"Meh" window manager..haha doesn't sound catchy enough. I'm working my way towards a pure Debian install, but first I am going to tackle MX Linux, the Debian for noobs.
You don't think MehWM would catch on? I have never once used MX.
@@JakeLinux I tried it for about a week, here are my thoughts: It's a predictable system as would any Debian-based system. It uses both systemd and sysvinit init systems, so it isn't what others would call a "protest distro"... Which I find kind of dumb to categorize a distribution as, but whatever. There's a lot of defaults to make new users more comfortable getting into Linux, and their installer is designed to make messing with low-level options a whole lot easier. It has GUI tools to generate live environments, as well as repair/rescue tools from the maintainers themselves. In general, MX Linux tries to keep the base stable and software as fresh as comfortably feasible and without having to "cross streams" dependency-wise, potentially breaking things. I'm more than used to the command line, but everything the Antix team and MX maintainers does keeping Debian "down to earth" is really nice.
ok
Mmm Hmm.
@@JakeLinux yup