One thing that I like about this fight that some people seem to fail to notice is that during the "2v1" Qrow doesn't actually do anything to assist Tyrian in the fight, he simply doesn't attack him and focuses on taking down Clover instead. Tyrian meanwhile actively pushes and twirls Qrow along, keeping him in the fight. Tyrian was rigging the entire fight ensuring that Qrow and Clover would wear each other down. Even before and in the early stages of the fight he tried to make himself seem like the lesser threat. He pretends to have been knocked out by the crash and when he joins the fight he intentionally avoids attacking Qrow, primarily blocking him instead giving Qrow the illusion that he was weakened and/or vulnerable. That way when Clover continued pressuring him, Tyrian was able to spring this so called cease fire on Qrow which mind you he doesn't really accept more like just chooses to avoid attacking him for the time being, ultimately failing to realize that Tyrian has ultimately rigged the entire clash in his favor. I believe Clover realizes this near the end, because he starts trying to separate the two and begin focusing on Tyrian but by then it was too late, Qrow was too tired and desperate to win to see through the ruse and in a moment of weakness, thinking Tyrian had been immobilized, he knocks down Clovers aura, giving Tyrian the moment he needed to strike. Ultimately this fight was doomed for Qrow and Clover from the start. Tyrian had so thoroughly rigged everything in his favor and took advantage of both men's circumstances. Qrow's feelings of betrayal mixed with Clover's stance on following orders made it child's play to pit the two against one another. No matter what Qrow or Clover did, one of them was going to die. This entire fight is just one great tragedy. Just as Tyrian fully intended.
Doesnt matter if he wasn't actively helping Tyrian, he's still attacking Clover WHILE Tyrian is not restrained. Far as I'm concerned, he was using Tyrian as collateral/bait but still should've have been the primary target first. Cause even if he and Tyrian fought after Clover was killed, it's still a waste of time and still would've had to have fought twice.
You can try to defend the fight that’s honorable I commend you but in general dude this fight is so retarded it hurts to see clover die . Like why the hell is qrow attacking or wait letting Tyrion puppet him into attacking clover the true bad guy is right there Tyrion Lannister is right there kill him what are y’all doing and apparently robin dosent need immediate medical assistance she just wakes up like it was her afternoon nap
@@fluent4530 Clover and Tyrian was attacking Qrow at the start of the fight together. Only difference is Qrow agreed to VERBALLY work with Tyrian. Clover, decided just to do it from the start. Each time, Qrow tried to attack Tyrian...Clover stopped him.
If Clover didnt die and joined Qrow and Robyn, the three of them would be a hell of a team. While Robyn isnt as skillful as the other 2, Qrow and Clover are evenly matched along with Tyrian, so imagine a team of those 3 with their skill level
@@danielbarnes1241 More like Qrow: Refuse and Attacks Tyrian Clover: Attacks Qrow Clover was so focused on arresting Qrow he didn't give him the room to deal with Tyrian forceing qrow to deal with him first so he doesn't have to watch his back all the time.
Or... Actually both Semblances worked. With the Misfortune Semblance is obvious how it worked, but with the Luck one, it could be like this: if Clover had won the fight against Qrow, that would probably been bad luck instead of good luck. Given the fact that Qrow has probably more knowledge against all this fight against Salem, it makes sense. So, the Luck Semblance could actually still working in order to give Qrow a chance in the future. But well, it's only my crazy theory.
I doubt it would be difficult for him to escape the blame of killing Clover, but there's two things to consider despite that. 1. He's still wanted, regardless of Clover's condition 2. He likely blames himself on some level and might not be looking for an easy way out of this. He also said that he'll make sure Ironwood takes the fall... so he may be using this as an opportunity to get to Ironwood.
“How did he get killed” “Well we were fighting” “So you were resisting arrest?” They can still pin the death on him because technically if he just went with him then he wouldn’t have died
It's surprising to see how devastatingly effective Tyrian is at team fighting. Imagine if he and Hazel were fighting the heroes together, they'd _have_ to dodge Hazel's attacks lest he overpower them and Tyrian could capitalise on their moment of distraction. And if Tyrian damaged their Aura and *then* Hazel got a hit in, they'd be f%c&ed.
Tyrian loves the thrill of the fight, rushes in to attack, and more often than not fight alone. But this proves he can be a devastating pepperer, any of Q's strikes would've leveled C, but each time he dodged or blocked a Q strike, several T strikes followed.
So now we've got an idea of just what went down with all of Mistral's huntsmen. Tyrian and Hazel, working together. The poor bastards never stood a chance.
Hazel is the definition of "I only need to hit you once dexnerd" And Tyrian is the perfect compliment. i doubt there is a single hunter on remnant that could bring down that duo.
I find one of the dumbest decisions in this fight not to be Qrow agreeing to take down Clover to 'settle the score' with Tyrian but with Clover interfering when Qrow started attacking Tyrian. Even if they were put in the situation of having to fight against each other obviously you would need to take out the greater evil Ie Tyrian before focusing on your RELUCTANT enemy of circumstance.
yeah, like Clover HAD to have realised that Qrow could wait against the literal serial killing venomous servant of salem and that with their semblances, and hanging back while qrow beats tyrian, he could have won
If you look closely, Qrow doesn't even attack Clover until the end. He's literally just defending himself from Clover, who attacks first all the time. Qrow was 100% ready to take down Tyrian first but Clover kept attacking Qrow. What the hell was he supposed to do afterwards? Clover's an idiot. Qrow is an idiot too, but only for punching Clover when Tyrian had been captured. Everything before? 100% justified on Qrow's part
His nieces were about to get captured by the military. He needed to get out of there fast and that meant taking down Clover to get him out of the way. If anything, Clover pressuring Qrow to the point he had to team up with Tyrian was worse.
The explanation is...there actually. In reality, 1 of them is going to die. Either Qrow dies or Clover's. Even if Qrow focuses on Tyrian, Clover will prevent him which will be Qrow's death door will come in if you ask me. Qrow is an exceptionally skilled huntsman just like Tyrian, knows even if his emotions were stirred by seeing his niece and betrayed by the ones whom he known for a while, he made the decision to finish it fast or else he'll die. 2nd to point out, Clover is the biggest idiot of the three. While Qrow gives clues on who to team up with, Clover insisted to attack Qrow than the threat who is just there. But he realize it too late, if he only do what Qrow's does, it would be an easy thing for Clover and Qrow win this one even if 1 of them dies, at least capturing or subduing Tyrian. 3rd, Clover has a choice and chose the other way around. That's how can you tell someone is stupid enough to die. Qrow was right to take on Tyrian, Clover's was an idiot for stopping Qrow, and whatever Tyrian's can do, it is up to the two who would fall. Since in the beginning, Tyrian is rigging the fight between the only two and directing it to them instead of his.
When Tyrian appeared, Qrow charged at him instantly, knowing that to take him down should have priority over Clover. Clover, as a mature and processional huntsman should've prioritised the mass murdering lunatic over somebody who didn't actually do anything wrong...but Clover was an idiot and attacked Qrow from the back while he tried to fight Tyrian. Qrow already felt betrayed, but this was the last straw, which made it a lot easier for Tyrian to manipulate him. If only Clover and Qrow teamed up, and then settled their personal quarrels after. Wouldn't be nearly as interesting drama, but still
You see a lot of dumb fans can't fathom that clover is to blame for his death. A lot are blaming qrow like if he was only going for clover but yea Clover should've went for the lunatic first lmao
Qrow, Clover AND Robyn are in the wrong. Robyn for starting a fight in a confined airship literally three feet away from a mass-murdering psychopath, Clover for not prioritizing said mass-murdering psychopath, and Qrow for allying with said mass-murdering psychopath.
I knew it. If there are four letters in the series' name, four main characters, four members in a single team, four maidens, four relics, four schools, four kingdoms.. THEN THERE'S NO WAY *FIVE* ACE-OPS CAN EXIST EDIT : Thanks for the likes and I just realized Clover shares his voice with Aizawa from BNHA!! 😱😱 Dang! Imagine Aizawa and Qrow fighting together...!!
@@Top_Nep nope I'm not. It kinda felt weird to me at first having 5 characters introduced when usually it's always four. Plus, the Clover being a traitor rumour almost hid this possibility of him dying. Maybe it was because of wrong interpretation. All those time, his words didn't mean to hint him as a traitor. They were death flags all along and the other members were the ones betraying (as said by Blake) the people that they once swore to protect.
People keep saying how stupid Qrow was for teaming up with Tyrian instead of trying to take him out first, but the thing is, Qrow *did* try to focus on Tyrian first. The moment Tyrian entered the fight Qrow immediately switched to him. And then again, even after Tyrian offered to team up, Qrow still moved solely to attack him. Problem is, both times he focused on Tyrian, Clover used the opportunity to attack Qrow while his back was turned. Clover was so focused on following Ironwood's orders that he prioritized Qrow's arrest over tyrian's arrest. Qrow only switched targets when he realized Clover wouldn't let him focus on Tyrian without dealing with him first. In other words, Clover forced his hand. And Tyrian of course, used this to play both against each other, allowing them to wear each other down and do the dirty work for him. To his credit, Clover seemed to realize what was going on towards the end, switching to focus primarily on Tyrian. Unfortunately, by then it was too little, too late.
Qrow could've just turned into a bird and disengaged with the whole fight tho. Alternatively, Qrow could have never jumped into the fight Robyn started on the transport.
@@bradleyhandsonjoehallschro5419 Yes, and leave Tyrian- the crazed serial killer that took all three working together to defeat- alone with Clover and an unconscious/completely vulnerable Robyn, who was his original target in the first place. What a brilliant idea! Truly, such a plan has no inherent and completely obvious flaws!
@@SirSpangler I'd still wager Clover would've been able to take Tyrion out. Unless Tyrion's aura has crazy regeneration, it should have still been gone or at lest weakened form the short time before when he lost it. If he did still have it somehow, ti would've been even more greatly damaged by the crash. That and Clover's semblance is luck (though Clover's and Qrows semblances seem to rarely even matter when it comes to many of the fights they're in.) and Tyrion seemed to have difficulties against Clover's weapon, mainly how to even counter it. All this being said, again, Qrow was the voice of reason for a short while while in the transport, and pretty much said it was fine and that they should talk to Ironwood to clear up what's happening. Until Robyn decided she wanted to fight and Qrow decided he didn't want to be the rational one anymore.
@@bradleyhandsonjoehallschro5419 Oh? You think Clover could have taken on Tyrian alone, and that Qrow would likewise think so? Tell me, what's the margin for failure on that? Because, if Clover can't... there's no going back from that. Look at it from Qrow's perspective. He could disengage, *hope* Clover can take Tyrian despite needing 3 to 1 odds previously, *hope* Clover can keep Tyrian from killing a completely defenseless Robyn throughout said fight, and *hope* that Tyrian wouldn't just himself disengage the moment the fight turned against him. Likewise, This is all assuming that Clover, who as we saw in the fight vastly prioritized arresting Qrow over Tyrian, wouldn't just immediately leave Tyrian and Robyn and go in pursuit of Qrow. *…Or* he could just stick around and help handle the situation himself. Like seriously, that's a lot of things for him to just hope works out. Another thing to note... aura seems to replenish itself fairly quickly. Cinder had her aura knocked out during the fight at Haven, but then fought Raven just a few minutes later. Jaune had his knocked out during the fight with cordovin's mech, but then boosted Nora moments later. And I believe there are a few other examples throughout the series. Considering the fact that none of these are ever treated as odd, it indicates that aura may not actually take all that long to replenish. So yes, for all we know, Tyrian's aura was fully replenished, or at least decently replenished. He himself didn't seem all that concerned with getting in a fight with two of the people who recently defeated him. Also, did we watch the same scene? Because I remember Qrow trying to deescalate even during the fight on the transport. Hell, the only reason he got involved in that fight at all was to try and stop the other two from beating the crap out of each other.
@@SirSpangler I'm not saying that Qrow thought Clover could take on Tyrion, but he'd certainly have a better chance beating him without Qrow being there (going by that it was CLover vs Qrow vs Tyrion). It would also be safe t assume that since Qrows semblance is bad luck and Clover's is good luck, they'd just sorta cancel each other out. Now how's Qrow teaming up with Tyrion 'handling the situation'? Teaming up with a murderous psychopath to beat down another guy into submission/giving up? Did Qrow think that Tyrion was gonna be honorable and not take down Clover and just have a 1v1 with Qrow afterwards? Now I use 'team up' but I know that's not exactly what happened, however, when you stop fighting the literal agent of that world's devil and let him fight alongside you... you kinda did that to yourself. We can guess that Clover wouldn't be able to stop Tyrian from killing a k.oed Robyn, but Tyrian could've done so before he engaged with them. And yeah, *maybe* Clover would've still pursued Qrow if Qrow left in a bird form, which would've just made Clover look all the dummer by leaving Tyrion with Robyn. As for the aura regen, I don't recall Cinder losing her aura before she fought Raven. I remember her being injured from silver eyes, but there's no indication her aura broke, she just sorta... collapsed. And isn't Jauns whole deal that he has a ton of aura? He has a lot of it, it replenishes faster than others, he's able to boots other peoples auras and semblances with his, it's sorta his deal. And no, we watched the same scene. On the transport when Qrow decided to get involved was after Clover tripped up Robyn and knocking her face first onto the floor (CLover had ample time before she stepepd back into the fight to go and cuff her, 12 whole seconds I believe.) After Robyn goes down, Qrow says "hrh, fine" and takes out his sword and attacks Clover. Clover says he" wishes it didn't have to come to this", Qrow responds with "it didn't have to." To Qrows credit, he's right, he was the one that made the first one against Clover instead of just sitting their or helping Clover to properly restrain Robyn (and thus proving to Clover he wishes no ill intent). Qrow never stepped between Robyn and Clover. Clover seemed to have had a handle on things and Qrow destabilized it by attacking Clover. It doesn't really matter anyways when characters hit each other, they don't really take physical damage until their aura's depleted.
People complain about Qrow helping Tyrian but at 1:27 Clover attacks qrow instead of helping fight Tyrian so Qrow was justified in trying to take Clover out to fight Tyrian 1vs1
It was interesting because I don't anyone here (I have hint of blame for Clover). Clover is a soldier and soldiers follow orders, Qrow went for the biggest threat but Clover gave him no choice, Tyrian was willing to team up with anyone friend or foe so long he gets the carnage and psychopaths are unpredictable bunch. The only problem here is Clover lacked the real priority and he paid the price.
@@averywhitaker3513 If you pay attention during the fight, after Tyrian proposes the team up Qrow goes straight for him. Qrow doesn't want to team up but then Clover attacks Qrow and even after it isn't much of a "team". Through the rest of the fight Qrow doesn't help Tyrian, he simply just doesn't attack him
@@DanthebobGaming he shows a half second of hesitation, and then charges clover. And not attacking each other is teaming up. I dont *want* to sound rude, but its almost like you watched a different scene
The only thing good about this scene was the actual onscreen movements of the characters. There are so many times where characters just teleport, even Qrows sword does it. It's so shameful that even in a 3D environment they fail to keep the slightest amount of continuity
I don't think it was dumb to temporarily truce with Tyrian, but I do, however, think it was dumb to fight each other instead of the psychotic madman that just crashed the plane to kill everyone on board Like, maybe wanna deal with that first fellas?
@@averywhitaker3513 That seems a bit extreme. Sure, it doesn't make any sense and the characters act like morons, but it's still well animated and choreographed
Clover really got himself killed, cause idk why you decided to continue attacking your friend when he was focusing the psychotic serial killer😑, should have just detained tyrian then continued the foolishness robyn started
DeoxysDNA it makes sense though, knock clover out then tyrian, which he only decided to reverse because clover tried to knock him out first instead of tyrian
@@Majistymills Right, Qrow teamed up with a psychotic murderer against Clover, but the fault is on James, who just called out for the arrest of the people who were obviously going to betray him. Bigbrain move, Qrow. Bigbrain
To be fair...Why didn't Tyrian just wait it out until they've finished their fight? That way, he'd only have a single enemy to fight and that enemy would've been exhausted from just taking on another powerful opponent. ...I guess it would be somewhat out of character for him to just patiently sit there and wait until one of them knocks another out.
Qrow has go through too much heck in RWBY 1. Bad luck charm. 2. Got poisoned. 3. When he found out Leo was working with Salem. 4. When he found out about ozpins secret. 5. Clover dies in front of him edit: dang never expect to have so many likes thx
Goddamn I love Tyrian, he's such a crazy bastard that he makes events more entertaining to watch just by participating in them. Easily my favorite villain in the show.
Watching this fight in slow mo is a treat, there’s so many blink and you miss moments and movements so fast that sheer amount of work that must’ve gone into this fight alone must’ve staggering.
@@averywhitaker3513 Teleportation? Nah, It's more like just very short buildup to each move followed by very few frames that show the attack or move being made. Kinda reminds me of Furi and some fighting games, where the wind-up is brief but recognizable and followed by a brief, couple frame move with smears to help show it. While it's more superhero and flashy comic than realistic timing, it works.
@@Iridescent_Astraea it's not that. I was talking about how they couldnt keep a cohesive battle layout with only 3 units and everything in a program that they could watch over and over from every angle. I cant remember most of it, but I do remember that the part where tyrion would have to go and grab qrows blade to stab clover would put him in the view of the two characters, even if they played the viewers angle so we didnt see it. This fight/story scene was so bad it turned me off of rwby in its entirety
Poor Qrow. His bad luck just keeps making more regrets for him. I give props to a fight between characters voiced by our best FUNimation actors, Qrow (Liebrecht), Clover (Wehkamp) and Tyrian (Grelle). Even the raging, the screaming, and the axe-crazy laughter by Tyrian
Eltyr Not like Clover was innocent either, Clover kept prioritizing Qrow over Tyrian, literally saving Tyrian from Qrow twice before Qrow decided to focus on Clover.
@@MystMG no it's not Qrows fault at all. Qrow wanted to take down Tyrian asap but Clover just kept focusing him and because of that, Qrow knew that he would lose. He chose Tyrian because Tyrian looked tired/weakened (Tyrian was faking it) and Qrow was hoping to knock Clover out and then finish Tyrian off, but he got distracted. I cant blame anyone BUT Clover, had he not been an idiot, they could've taken down Tyrion (most likely executing him on the spot) and then proceeding to fight each other
@@azaira1802 but choosing Tyrian.. someone who works for Salem. He can't be trusted like... AT ALL. It doesn't make sense to just trust that bug so blindly.
@@firepuppies4086 what choice did he have? He knew that if he didn't end the fight quickly, someone WAS going to die and it most likely would have been himself if he had continued to try and fight Tyrian. He honestly picked the best option available, I don't think people are seeing this fight in a grand scheme, Qrow can't win a 2v1, but if he were to do a 2v1 against Clover, he could win and most likely end up knocking him out and then just fight Tyrion, but he got distracted from his emotions. Even at the end of the fight, he decided to not draw his weapon and to use his hands to avoid killing Clover.
@@neofulcrum5013 or being drunk for years and suddenly quitting, removing the alcohol's distortion of his voice and revealing what it really is like after years of damage.
You could tell afterwards that Clover was the one friend Qrow didn't wish he fought, nor lose in the process. I loved Clover's character, and the friendship both him and Qrow made. It's just sad that things ended the way it did, but it now sets up the thought of the future battle between him and Tyrian
People say nobody's actions in this fight make sense, but I can only really see that for Clover. Robyn is a malcontent whose tentative alliance with Ironwood has just been shattered by the revelation that he's abandoning her city (And her teammates, who are still down there), and essentially turning Atlas into a police state. Starting a fight in the Bullhead wasn't a good decision, but her only other option was basically sit quietly while her city is abandoned, her friend is arrested, and she's taken into a police state, where she'd likely be detained or "disappeared" on arrival. She has no reason to trust Ironwood or Clover. Qrow has just found out, through a panicked and cut off message from his niece, that Ironwood is planning to abandon Mantle and declare martial law, and then finds out that there's a warrant out for his and his family's arrest (When he, at least, hasn't broken any crimes). Even still, he tries to talk Clover down, but with Tyrian agitating and Robyn backed into a corner, there's really nothing he can do but defend himself. As for his makeshift alliance with Tyrian, with Clover focused solely on him and Tyrian being so apparently willing, he didn't really have much choice there, either. He was probably planning to backstab Tyrian as soon as Clover was out of action, but was beaten to the punch. Clover was absolutely stupid, yes, but technically he was only following stupid orders. Like all the Ace Ops, he puts far more blind faith in Ironwood and the system than he really should, and shows a relative lack of free thinking shared by the rest of the Ace Ops, sans Marrow. He followed his most recent orders - Arrest Qrow -, above all others, including detaining Tyrian. Had he put aside his orders to team up against clearly the greater threat, he might have survived, but he didn't, and that's the point. it's to show how bad that kind of fanatic, near-robotic loyalty and discipline can be. Add on the fact that they're probably operating on little sleep and high exhaustion (Remember, the attack began in earnest in the evening, and Clover died the following morning, so that's probably 24 hours awake, and at least 8 or so in combat) and Tyrian fanning the flames, and while it's not great writing, it's not as horrible as some people make it out to be.
Something interesting is that all 3 served as strongly loyal followers of others. Clover trusted Ironwood with his life. Tyrian kills in Salem's name without remorse. Qrow abandoned his years of unquestioning loyalty Ozpin after learning it was unfounded.
Qrow’s decision had many things stacked on top of it... 1.) when Clover told Qrow that team RWBY was under arrest his judgment already getting clouded because of him wanting to protect the kids and getting out of the situation as soon as possible 2.) Qrow wanting revenge on Tyrian was also clouding his mind 3.) When the 1v1v1 was happening, Clover kept blocking Qrow’s hits on Tyrian, obviously him getting frustrated. Also another thing is I would like to mention, Qrow didn’t immediately take Tyrian up on his offer he hesitated only for when Clover blocked another shot on Tyrian he decided to side with him. To quickly end the fight and get back to RWBY.
Counter points Tyrion is obviously the more dangerous threat, and he should be prioritized Clover would be smart enough to go, once again, for the bigger threat Qrow should have played tyrion into a sandwich like at 1:36 It was literally half a second before qrow decided that the person who did not want to see everyone qrow knew and loved dead was the better option to focus on Tyrion almost killed him Tyrion almost killed ruby This scene was stupid
grace calis First: Vengeance. Second: not exactly a bright idea to leave a serial killer with his target unconscious (Robyn Hill was knocked out after the crash.) Third: Clover will probably notice that his target is escaping and stop him.
@@averywhitaker3513 1. Most villainous? Biggest threat? Not exactly Qrow mostly handled Tyrian very well and knows he can beat him while not having as much experience with Clover 2. Again same argument as Clover is more aware of Tyrian then Qrow 3. Clover and Qrow both knew they could handle Tyrian but neither knew if they could beat each other 4. Again both knew they could handle Tyrian infact Clover incapacitated Tyrian in that fight only stopped by Qrow
@@Redoren966 tyrion is the only person in that fight likely to kill someone. That does make him the biggest threat. Neither of them know they can beat him in a 1v1. Qrow might have a guess at it, but clover has no clue. The only time clover fought him out was a 3v1, not exactly a good source for figuring out the power of an opponent. And keep in mind that Qrow is an unwilling combatant, meaning that he could have been easily persuaded to temporarily team up on tyrion, which they do know they could likely win, based on both previous experiences and simple tactics. Qrow and clover took the most stupid option in this fight.
no brain: "Omg Qrow is such an idiot for teaming up with with Tyrian" Big Brain: "Actually Qrow was trying to take out Tyrian the whole fight, Clover kept attacking Qrow like an idiot because he was so focused on following orders"
No brain: “Omg Qrow is such an idiot for teaming up with Tyrian” Big Brain: “Actually Qrow was trying to take out Tyrian the whole fight, Clover kept attacking Qrow like an idiot because he was so focused on following orders.” Ascended Brain: “The whole thing was actually Robyn’s fault for starting a battle on a cramped airship that was currently hauling a mass murderer to prison.”
@@mr.cup6yearsago211 Mega ascended brain: "The whole thing is Ironwood's fault for overreacting and ordering the arrest of *everyone* because team RWBY didn't want to abandon Mantle to die horribly"
ScalierLemon Ultimate brain: “The whole thing was actually Yang’s fault for convincing Blake to help her go behind Ironwood’s back to tell one of his greatest rivals his plans.”
Say what you will about Tyrian. I personally feel that he’s insane and manipulative above all else, but damn, he makes for a powerful and capable ally! Yes, I know he was faking it and it was all a ruse to kill Clover and have Qrow take the fall, but still, he’s a damn good actor! Am I the only one who thinks this?
JS S yeah ! i get the initial hesitation, especially when it comes to such a well liked character, but i think he did such an amazing job this volume !!
I still have my reservations about it. He doesn't sound natural, nor does he have the good gritty tone that vic was able to put into it. Personally not a fan.
I thought it would take me a bit, and I still love the old voice, but I warmed up to Jason Liebrecht REAL quick, and this episode so far is the peak of his performance. Marvelously done
I can't be the only one think Clover is a moron. You're fighting Qrow and Tyrian. One is a good guy, the other is a psychomaniac serial killer. Anyone with more than single-digit IQ would team up with the good guy to take down Tyrian first, then deal with Qrow after. Not Clover though, what a tactician.
Qrow never actually helped Tyrian or picked him back up when he was down, he just ignored him entirely. Clover didn’t give him a choice, and Qrow thought that if that continued, both he and Clover would die
Clover at 1:25 and 1:55 : "My friend is trying to fight the psycho murderer that we were supposed to detain? Why yes, this is the perfect opportunity to surprise attack him." Don't get me wrong, they both acted stupid here, but Qrow switched targets immediately after he noticed Tyrian, while Clover kept focusing on attacking Qrow like a bloody idiot. In the end he was nothing more than a pawn who couldn't stop blindly following orders for 3 fucking seconds.
"I'll make sure of it." Qrow proceeds to never interact with Ironwood for the rest of the show because they ran out of budget to animate a conclusion to the Ironwood/Qrow conflict, leaving this entire point moot.
He ensured that QRow and Clover would fight. Clover took the bait and ran with it, fighting QRow. This allowed Tyrian to convince QRow that clover is the threat that needs to be taken out.
@@Hargazer I mean I know why he did it I just can't believe it worked. If anything. Qrow should have been like " team up? That's a great idea! Hey clover let's takedown tyrain first then you and me can settle this." Like I see this as probably my biggest glaring issue with vol.7 because it's like qrow forgot tyrain is a bigger threat working with salem not to mention he tried to kidnap his niece to more then likely be killed.
@@calamityhex3729 You forget that Salem and her team's m.o. is Divide and Conquer. It was a perfect storm. Dumb as Clover is, he think he can still be friends with Qrow but also support the guy who essentially threatens to jail Qrow's nieces. Shortly before the fight, you can tell that Qrow is very much not trusting Clover. The reason it worked, is because Clover was very much not paying attention until it was too late. He knows that Qrow is not trusting him and not willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. If a truce or even an alliance between the two is to happen, it's up to Clover to step up and regain the faith Qrow has lost in him. But he didn't. Instead he didn't realize that Tyrian was guiding him into pressuring Qrow, essentially pushing him towards allying himself with Tyrian.
@@Hargazer this is not, in any way, the fault of the characters. This lies entirely on whatever knob who wrote this scene. It was out of character for qrow, stupid for clover, but I guess the one person for tyrion did their job well.
watching it at half speed... qrow's expression and body language just before he and tyrian """team up""" is so heartbreaking. he just looks resigned. he doesn't want this, but in the moment, tyrian is the lesser threat (or at least seems to be) and if he wants to get back to the kids, he has to incapacitate clover. it's the logical choice, in qrow's position, but in his mind he doesn't really *have* a choice - fight tyrian AND clover (at best, he'll be too worn down to help the kids when he gets back to them, at worst... he doesn't make it back to them) or accept the only help he's going to get, even though it's from the enemy. his plan was probably to knock clover out and then take on tyrian, but clover sealed his own fate when he disarmed qrow. honestly, he likely sealed it when he told qrow rwby was under arrest, because if clover is willing to fight qrow like this, what would he do to the kids? what if they're hurt? what's happening to them *right now* and qrow's not there to help? qrow was willing to go quietly and ideally talk it out until he realized the kids were in danger. robyn escalating didn't help, sure, but clover seemed to forget that they were *already* in a prisoner transport. he could have just quietly requested backup to meet the ship when they landed to take qrow and tyrian both, but instead he decides that securing the *literal serial killer* is less of a priority than arresting the man he's been working with for however long, who he probably knows well enough now to talk it out with, and who is a reasonable person and not fucking insane like tyrian. also... my personal opinion is that the punch that broke clover's aura was a *lucky* shot, not an *unlucky* one. clover's good luck helps qrow in the moment, not qrow's bad luck hurting yet another person he cares about. because - correct me if i'm wrong - we never see clover touch his pin during this fight, so he's not focusing his semblance; we know qrow's bad luck affects others seemingly at random, why would clover's good luck not work the same way when not focused?
It's so silly that they had Clover focus on Qrow so much while Tyrian was right there. His orders are to bring both of them in, and Tyrian is definitely the biggest threat. The choreograpy is great, but the fight itself is frustrating.
I think clover consider qrow the bigger threat he knew qrow longer and knows what he can do with triyan the only thing he saw was a crazy guy who was taken down easily the last time they fought
I wouldn’t say that Tyrian is a bigger threat than Qrow. Qrow’s been shown to be perfectly capable of defeating Tyrian alone, likely helped by his semblance. From Clover’s perspective. It would probably make sense to focus on Qrow first, since if he wins, it doesn’t matter how much intent there is to kill, because both threats are incapacitated.
Y'know what I'm glad about this volume? They seem to have finally remembered that aura can manifest in ways that aren't a character's semblance and absorbing damage. This is notable here in Tyrian channeling his aura into his hands to do more damage with his hits, much like Ren did early on. Kinda bothers me that they've never done more with that mechanic
Everyone blames Qrow for fighting with Tyrian but Clover clearly attacks Qrow first when Tyrian shows up. Clover could have helped at the start, yet chose to attack Qrow instead while he's fighting Tyrian already.
@@notthalis9545 I one hundo agree, but Qrow knows how much more dangerous Tyrion is. And I'd be willing to put stocks against him having Ill will after he almost killed him that one time. This was a stupid move, not on Qrow or Clover, but by whoever wrote this scene. They could even have let it play out organically, with qrow playing defense against clover, while putting tyrion in clovers way and attacking when he could. Clover should have realized that qrow would not kill him, and should have gone for tyrion. (Before someone comes at me saying qrow was, under ironwoods orders, to be arrested, so was tyrion.) Tyrion was the only thing aside from the mechanical movements of the characters that was even enjoyable. Unfortunately, they ruined it because they either dont understand how to make a situation like this organic, or simply dont care.
Can i just say that clover death was entirely his fault for prioritising beating qrow his actual friend rather then the mass murderer qrow didn't have a choice if he didn't team up with tyrian he would either be taken in or get killed
Not only was Clover stupid for not prioritizing Tyrion as an enemy. But he literally was using a (potentially) dying Robin as leverage to get Qrow to go with him. He didn’t even look concerned or check if Robin was ok.
The thing that always bugged me most in this fight is when Clover actively stopped Qrow from attacking Tyrian. Like... why? His orders are to arrest and deliver them both. Qrow ended up "teaming up" with Tyrian because Clover roundly rejected focusing on Tyrian first, clearly the larger threat, because reasons.
This fight has never sat right with me but I understand the breakdown. Tyrian expertly played both men's emotional instability (Qrow) and frankly idiotic sense of "duty" (Clover) against each other. The few times Qrow tried to engage Tyrian, Tyrian just maneuvered in such a way that it either worked for him or against Clover; or Clover directly interfered and tried to attack Qrow while his back was turned. My problem is mostly with the way Clover was so mentally stunted by his loyalty that he prioritized arresting the PRO HUNTSMAN he was on FRIENDLY TERMS WITH over the fucking SERIAL KILLER.
I think Tyrian must have some sort of "make people do stupid shit" semblance. Why else would Clover continue to attack Qrow when Tyrian the mass murdering psychopath is right there? Also why would Qrow even entertain the idea of teaming up with said psychopath?
Avery Whitaker Writers are so obsessed with tragedy and suspense and plot twists that the story gets screwed over. I already knew Winter wasn’t going to be the maiden as soon as she told Weiss she was chosen for it.
@@seraphlazuli6251 like not even the obsession. I love all of those things, but when you try to create tragedy by diagnosing the characters with fatal dum bitch disease it absolutely ruins it
People blame Qrow for Clover's death when he initially IGNORES Tyrian's offer to team up and only does so AFTER Clover blocks Qrow off from attacking Tyrian TWICE? Seriously? You think its Qrow's complete fault?
If only qrow could run from the fight. Too bad he doesn’t have the ability to turn into a bird, reducing his mass and giving him flight....if only he had those abilities
What’s interesting is this is a fight between some of the most dangerous Huntsman we’ve ever come across in the show. Not powerful like Maidens or with some constantly using some flashy ability, just raw skill and semblances that tilt things in their favour in a way that is terrifying to really consider. Look at Tyrian and his semblance. The man can cut through Aura, the one power that makes all the death defying stunts the characters pull off possible and if his hands didn’t glow when he used it he’d be even scarier since you’d never know when to block with a weapon or to tank with aura. Qrow and Clover can manipulate luck to their favour, though they’re flavoured as good and bad respectively. That isn’t a power you can dodge or plan around, you can only pray that when you fight either of these two that your shoelaces don’t come undone or that their allies show up at the best possible moment. And to top it off, they don’t have the weakness of being unskilled or physically weak, these are Salem, Vale and Atlas’ most skilled and reliable warriors as a whole. I mean, Tyrian is the one sent to capture Ruby and kill the other Huntsman from Haven, Qrow is confirmed in universe lore to be a celebrity in Vale and Huntsman circles since he’s that strong and is widely known to be the best in the Kingdom, and Clover is the leader of Atlas’ top group of Hunstman. It would’ve been great to have a couple of the main cast here simply to watch and realise how outclassed they are.
As unpleasant as this scene was, the way qrow and tyrian were working together was quite amusing. Also am I the only one thinking that maybe clover could have won if he wasn't using a glorified fishing rod as a primary weapon?
I cant even tell you how much this scene broke me when I first watched it. Not only did Qrow loose YET another person he considered a friend, but he blames himself for it AGAIN. This scene was done so well, all from Clovers last words being "good luck", to the art style when he is stabbed (its the same style as when Yang lost her arm), and Qrow and Clovers last interaction where it shows how different they are. Its really, REALLY heartbreaking. The death scene is so full of symbolisim that I could write an entire essay on it lmao. The voice acting done by all three actors really show you how top notch the show is, Jason is BREATHTAKING as Qrow, and the way Josh says "Like you just killed Clover?"??? CHILLS ALL AROUND. God, I love this show.
For all the people saying it was idiotic for Qrow to side with Tyrian, notice at 1:55 after he suggests working together Qrow *doesn't* shift his focus to Clover, he *continues* to attack Tyrian until Clover does the wrong thing and attacks Qrow instead. Qrow only switches when he realises Clover will not stop trying to arrest him instead of dealing with the real threat of Tyrian.
At the end of the day, he still sided with Tyrian. Hell, he could've cheap shorted Tyrian so many times to knock his ass out. He could've idk USE HIS WORDS to tell Clover to restrain Tyrian. These episode was full of stupid.
"Hey, I know we're like... in the middle of a battle, but can we agree that Tyrian is the bigger threat right now?" "Nah. I'd rather keep fighting you." "Alright, I'll just team up with the crazed psychopath then"
So now that we’ve seen someone in the show important to the main cast die that’s NOT a redhead, I propose a new theory: Any character that holds significant importance to any of the main characters will most likely die if their eye color is green. Penny, Roman, Pyrrha, and now Clover have proven this so far. It also explains why Nora isn’t a target yet despite her red hair, she has BLUE eyes rather than green.
This is what happens when you have a 1 v 1 v 1. At some point, two people are going to agree to fight the other to simplify things. I only wish Qrow and Clover could have worked together to take out Tyrian and then fought.
In case people here are wondering why Qrow sided with Tyrian here it's because he was the only one willing to team up. If you've been in a fight before you'll know how important it is to have someone watching your back and it's very clear that Clover wouldn't have set down the differences between him and Qrow long enough to team up against Tyrian while Tyrian was. Also, note that Clover never stopped focusing on Qrow even when it would have been smarter to pacify Tyrian first
Yes qrow teamed up with tyrian to kill clover but perhaps not intentionally. I did notice a part where clover prioritises apprehending qrow over tyrian, so qrow is not entirely to blame.
I mean regardless of how you see it tyrian was going to kill someone. If Qrow didn't fight back against neither, Clover would try to arrest him and Tyrian would get in a sneak attack Qrow was the only person keeping Tyrion off Clover because that's who he was aiming for in the fight the whole time.
This fight is stupid. I don't understand why the writers forced the narrative to where Clover focused soley on trying to capture both Tyrian and Qrow or made it so neither Qrow or Clover ever thought to propose the idea of tag teaming Tyrian. It's truly baffling especially since they had Clover bring up their relationship as if that mattered well enough in the grand scheme of things and this is excluding the fact that they're both still huntsman and should be willing to work together take out the greater of two evils. Ultimately they should've either had the two team up to beat Tyrian or have it be free for all in which Tyrian would drop out first leading to Qrow and Clover having to duke it out in a final confrontation type of deal.
The Ace Ops are based on Aesop's fables like Team RWBY is based on Fairy Tales. I think Clover's story was about a fisherman who was so focused on catching one fish that he didn't catch anything. I could be wrong though, I might be mixing up stories. Either way, the writers tried incorporating the Ace Ops stories into their fights, with Clover in this fight, and the rest of them in the fight with Team RWBY
@@tyvellg5374 Regardless of that being the case I still refuse to give this scene any less flack than I did 9 months prior to posting this comment. They should've handled his death more properly. Also even if the characters in rwby are based off of fairy tales or fables I still don't think thats ground to make their story of said character word for word like what it's referenced off of. Take inspiration if you must sure, but also be willing to add your own spin for one and two make sure that said spin is executed in a way that's entertaining and consistent with the story. Obviously if you have to compromise your story and characters just for a certain plot point then it's bad writing.
0:30 That part hit me straight in the feels, he sounds so done with life at this point. Clover dying is gonna make Qrow leave the group after he leaves Atlas for an unspecified amount of time and then he's gonna come back and either fight Raven or fight with her (which would be badass).
I really don't see any reason to fight with Raven anymore I felt like all of his anger so just be put towards Tyrian so we can actually get a legit real rematch against characters because so far they have done a very shity job of doing these rematches it's not the two specific characters going at it for keeps there's always a third party in the coral which I don't like this should give a good legit reason for you two to go all out against each other and finally put one of them six feet under
The only thing i've noticed is how Qrow's control of his scythe in the battle. When slowed down, you can see that he really had the experience to battle such an enemy of Salem and Clover, who is an Ace Ops. Literally, noticed that Qrow fights Clover even when back is turned, he knows how to deal with an enemy without being able to see the opponent of his.
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One thing that I like about this fight that some people seem to fail to notice is that during the "2v1" Qrow doesn't actually do anything to assist Tyrian in the fight, he simply doesn't attack him and focuses on taking down Clover instead. Tyrian meanwhile actively pushes and twirls Qrow along, keeping him in the fight. Tyrian was rigging the entire fight ensuring that Qrow and Clover would wear each other down. Even before and in the early stages of the fight he tried to make himself seem like the lesser threat. He pretends to have been knocked out by the crash and when he joins the fight he intentionally avoids attacking Qrow, primarily blocking him instead giving Qrow the illusion that he was weakened and/or vulnerable. That way when Clover continued pressuring him, Tyrian was able to spring this so called cease fire on Qrow which mind you he doesn't really accept more like just chooses to avoid attacking him for the time being, ultimately failing to realize that Tyrian has ultimately rigged the entire clash in his favor. I believe Clover realizes this near the end, because he starts trying to separate the two and begin focusing on Tyrian but by then it was too late, Qrow was too tired and desperate to win to see through the ruse and in a moment of weakness, thinking Tyrian had been immobilized, he knocks down Clovers aura, giving Tyrian the moment he needed to strike.
Ultimately this fight was doomed for Qrow and Clover from the start. Tyrian had so thoroughly rigged everything in his favor and took advantage of both men's circumstances. Qrow's feelings of betrayal mixed with Clover's stance on following orders made it child's play to pit the two against one another. No matter what Qrow or Clover did, one of them was going to die. This entire fight is just one great tragedy. Just as Tyrian fully intended.
Ricardo Valdes scorpion boyo going in
Doesnt matter if he wasn't actively helping Tyrian, he's still attacking Clover WHILE Tyrian is not restrained. Far as I'm concerned, he was using Tyrian as collateral/bait but still should've have been the primary target first. Cause even if he and Tyrian fought after Clover was killed, it's still a waste of time and still would've had to have fought twice.
You can try to defend the fight that’s honorable I commend you but in general dude this fight is so retarded it hurts to see clover die . Like why the hell is qrow attacking or wait letting Tyrion puppet him into attacking clover the true bad guy is right there Tyrion Lannister is right there kill him what are y’all doing and apparently robin dosent need immediate medical assistance she just wakes up like it was her afternoon nap
Gman agreed. Qrow did try to attack Tyrion but clover would stop him. Personally I would’ve just left instead of fighting him, but that’s me.
@@fluent4530 Clover and Tyrian was attacking Qrow at the start of the fight together. Only difference is Qrow agreed to VERBALLY work with Tyrian. Clover, decided just to do it from the start. Each time, Qrow tried to attack Tyrian...Clover stopped him.
This whole series qrow has legit done more damage with a punch than his weapon
DanielEndless
Wasn’t Ruby the one to chop off Tyrian’s tail?
*Looks at Tyrian with Harbinger*
Are you sure about that
um didnt you just see qrows weapon impale the shit out of clover ?
@DanielEndless that was Ruby...
I mean he is yang's uncle
It's scary to think of just how powerful of a duo Qrow and Tyrian would actually be.
They already are lol
Let's not forget that clover was successfully fighting both of them at once for a bit. He's shown he knows what tf he's doing lol
Poison & Bad luck? Now if any other huntsmen or huntress were in that situation, they would lose.
Not surprising to me because if you recall raven and him were sent to beacon to learn how to kill huntsman.
If Clover didnt die and joined Qrow and Robyn, the three of them would be a hell of a team. While Robyn isnt as skillful as the other 2, Qrow and Clover are evenly matched along with Tyrian, so imagine a team of those 3 with their skill level
"Tyrian wants to join your party."
>Accept him. Refuse.
Qrow: Yeah Sure.
"Tyrian has killed Clover"
Qrow: FUCK GO BACK!
@@danielbarnes1241 More like
Qrow: Refuse and Attacks Tyrian
Clover: Attacks Qrow
Clover was so focused on arresting Qrow he didn't give him the room to deal with Tyrian forceing qrow to deal with him first so he doesn't have to watch his back all the time.
Accept.
REFUSE
i hate you Tyrian-
Tyrian is like the Kimbly of Rwby.
Even Clover's Good Luck semblance can't withstand Crow's Misfortune
Actually both semblances are equal, difference is
"Luck always runs out"
I dare say when Clover's aura finally broke, that's when Qrow's Misfortune took hold
It's like Kazuma and Aqua then.
Clovers aura broke and his semblance went away. That's why
Or... Actually both Semblances worked. With the Misfortune Semblance is obvious how it worked, but with the Luck one, it could be like this: if Clover had won the fight against Qrow, that would probably been bad luck instead of good luck. Given the fact that Qrow has probably more knowledge against all this fight against Salem, it makes sense. So, the Luck Semblance could actually still working in order to give Qrow a chance in the future. But well, it's only my crazy theory.
Can’t qrow just hold robyns hand and be like “Tyrian killed him not me sis” and her hand glows green and they just get to leave
Yeah he can prove he didn’t kill Clover easy enough but he’s still wanted i think
I doubt it would be difficult for him to escape the blame of killing Clover, but there's two things to consider despite that.
1. He's still wanted, regardless of Clover's condition
2. He likely blames himself on some level and might not be looking for an easy way out of this.
He also said that he'll make sure Ironwood takes the fall... so he may be using this as an opportunity to get to Ironwood.
“How did he get killed”
“Well we were fighting”
“So you were resisting arrest?”
They can still pin the death on him because technically if he just went with him then he wouldn’t have died
Ah we have an innocent one
*sips tea*
He’s still wanted regardless and he’s technically a accomplice of murder because he was the one who broke Clover’s aura.
Tyrian is a G, be honest. Dude played both of them
Not that hard when you're fighting golems
@@averywhitaker3513 haha , holy sh*t that was awsome !
no, the writers just decided to make both of them stupid for plot.
@@ransherman1611 That's a win in my book my man
Yep
“I am no one's blessing
I'll just bring you harm
I'm a cursed black cat
I'm an albatros
I'm a mirror broken
Sad to say I'm your bad luck charm"
That was going on in my head when the fight was over and when Qrow was distraught TwT
*3:16*
Clover actually threw a horseshoe at Qrow
Divorce
Gage Baviera Div-horseshoe
@@miladyragnarok8371 divorshoe
In Clover’s family if your former lover throws a horseshoe at you it’s an auto divorce
@@Salemwaaa automated divorce? Efficiency at its best.
Watching Qrow and Tyrian 'work' together is like watching Batman and Joker team-up
It's ridiculously dangerous and scary and pretty much spells doom for any opponent
It's surprising to see how devastatingly effective Tyrian is at team fighting. Imagine if he and Hazel were fighting the heroes together, they'd _have_ to dodge Hazel's attacks lest he overpower them and Tyrian could capitalise on their moment of distraction. And if Tyrian damaged their Aura and *then* Hazel got a hit in, they'd be f%c&ed.
Tyrian loves the thrill of the fight, rushes in to attack, and more often than not fight alone. But this proves he can be a devastating pepperer, any of Q's strikes would've leveled C, but each time he dodged or blocked a Q strike, several T strikes followed.
So now we've got an idea of just what went down with all of Mistral's huntsmen. Tyrian and Hazel, working together. The poor bastards never stood a chance.
Combine that with Neo and you have the Ultimate Team
tyrian damages their auras ? aura got nothing on ma boi tyrian , he can pass throught it like a hot knife through butter , it's his semblance
Hazel is the definition of "I only need to hit you once dexnerd" And Tyrian is the perfect compliment. i doubt there is a single hunter on remnant that could bring down that duo.
I find one of the dumbest decisions in this fight not to be Qrow agreeing to take down Clover to 'settle the score' with Tyrian but with Clover interfering when Qrow started attacking Tyrian. Even if they were put in the situation of having to fight against each other obviously you would need to take out the greater evil Ie Tyrian before focusing on your RELUCTANT enemy of circumstance.
Qrow let his common sense in the ship probably; and he forgot how Tyrian almost kill him or when he try to kidnap Ruby.
yeah, like Clover HAD to have realised that Qrow could wait against the literal serial killing venomous servant of salem and that with their semblances, and hanging back while qrow beats tyrian, he could have won
If you look closely, Qrow doesn't even attack Clover until the end. He's literally just defending himself from Clover, who attacks first all the time. Qrow was 100% ready to take down Tyrian first but Clover kept attacking Qrow. What the hell was he supposed to do afterwards? Clover's an idiot. Qrow is an idiot too, but only for punching Clover when Tyrian had been captured. Everything before? 100% justified on Qrow's part
His nieces were about to get captured by the military. He needed to get out of there fast and that meant taking down Clover to get him out of the way. If anything, Clover pressuring Qrow to the point he had to team up with Tyrian was worse.
The explanation is...there actually. In reality, 1 of them is going to die. Either Qrow dies or Clover's. Even if Qrow focuses on Tyrian, Clover will prevent him which will be Qrow's death door will come in if you ask me. Qrow is an exceptionally skilled huntsman just like Tyrian, knows even if his emotions were stirred by seeing his niece and betrayed by the ones whom he known for a while, he made the decision to finish it fast or else he'll die. 2nd to point out, Clover is the biggest idiot of the three. While Qrow gives clues on who to team up with, Clover insisted to attack Qrow than the threat who is just there. But he realize it too late, if he only do what Qrow's does, it would be an easy thing for Clover and Qrow win this one even if 1 of them dies, at least capturing or subduing Tyrian. 3rd, Clover has a choice and chose the other way around. That's how can you tell someone is stupid enough to die. Qrow was right to take on Tyrian, Clover's was an idiot for stopping Qrow, and whatever Tyrian's can do, it is up to the two who would fall. Since in the beginning, Tyrian is rigging the fight between the only two and directing it to them instead of his.
When Tyrian appeared, Qrow charged at him instantly, knowing that to take him down should have priority over Clover. Clover, as a mature and processional huntsman should've prioritised the mass murdering lunatic over somebody who didn't actually do anything wrong...but Clover was an idiot and attacked Qrow from the back while he tried to fight Tyrian. Qrow already felt betrayed, but this was the last straw, which made it a lot easier for Tyrian to manipulate him. If only Clover and Qrow teamed up, and then settled their personal quarrels after. Wouldn't be nearly as interesting drama, but still
You see a lot of dumb fans can't fathom that clover is to blame for his death. A lot are blaming qrow like if he was only going for clover but yea Clover should've went for the lunatic first lmao
If only all 3 of them, Robyn, Qrow and Clover, didn’t fight on the plane when they were carrying a lunatic criminal on the plane😂
@@samudam7348 oh yeah definitely, that as well
Not justifying Clover’s actions, but in his mind, they were both criminals and he was not open to negotiation. He is just Ironwood’s pawn after all.
Qrow, Clover AND Robyn are in the wrong. Robyn for starting a fight in a confined airship literally three feet away from a mass-murdering psychopath, Clover for not prioritizing said mass-murdering psychopath, and Qrow for allying with said mass-murdering psychopath.
I knew it. If there are four letters in the series' name, four main characters, four members in a single team, four maidens, four relics, four schools, four kingdoms..
THEN THERE'S NO WAY *FIVE* ACE-OPS CAN EXIST
EDIT : Thanks for the likes and I just realized Clover shares his voice with Aizawa from BNHA!! 😱😱 Dang! Imagine Aizawa and Qrow fighting together...!!
Oh
are you Jhin?
@@Top_Nep nope I'm not. It kinda felt weird to me at first having 5 characters introduced when usually it's always four. Plus, the Clover being a traitor rumour almost hid this possibility of him dying. Maybe it was because of wrong interpretation. All those time, his words didn't mean to hint him as a traitor. They were death flags all along and the other members were the ones betraying (as said by Blake) the people that they once swore to protect.
But why did the lucky ones always go?
Also 4 Main Villains, well Salems Puppets that are alive (Cinder, Hanzel, Watts and Tyrian)
“We don’t have to fight, friend.”
“Oh you don’t know my friends, that’s how it always goes.”
That line was voiced so badly it was so cringe
@@Penguin1569 gotta disagree there that line was sauce
@@joshuafoy9355 the line is good but the delivery sounds like he was failing to speak
@@moki4895that’s the point crow hated that he always has to resort to that and it hurts him to know that
Welp, the Lucky Charm shipping fanatics wanted Clover to get Qrows pointy end so bad.... Lmao wish granted 🤣🤣🤣
I love you. Just for this comment.
Dammit... that’s a good one
Guess they really wanted Qrow's sword to penetrate Clover... Careful what you wish for
Hahaja
Qrow's sword but Tyrian's thrust from behind lol.
People keep saying how stupid Qrow was for teaming up with Tyrian instead of trying to take him out first, but the thing is, Qrow *did* try to focus on Tyrian first. The moment Tyrian entered the fight Qrow immediately switched to him. And then again, even after Tyrian offered to team up, Qrow still moved solely to attack him. Problem is, both times he focused on Tyrian, Clover used the opportunity to attack Qrow while his back was turned.
Clover was so focused on following Ironwood's orders that he prioritized Qrow's arrest over tyrian's arrest.
Qrow only switched targets when he realized Clover wouldn't let him focus on Tyrian without dealing with him first. In other words, Clover forced his hand. And Tyrian of course, used this to play both against each other, allowing them to wear each other down and do the dirty work for him.
To his credit, Clover seemed to realize what was going on towards the end, switching to focus primarily on Tyrian. Unfortunately, by then it was too little, too late.
Qrow could've just turned into a bird and disengaged with the whole fight tho. Alternatively, Qrow could have never jumped into the fight Robyn started on the transport.
@@bradleyhandsonjoehallschro5419 Yes, and leave Tyrian- the crazed serial killer that took all three working together to defeat- alone with Clover and an unconscious/completely vulnerable Robyn, who was his original target in the first place. What a brilliant idea!
Truly, such a plan has no inherent and completely obvious flaws!
@@SirSpangler I'd still wager Clover would've been able to take Tyrion out. Unless Tyrion's aura has crazy regeneration, it should have still been gone or at lest weakened form the short time before when he lost it. If he did still have it somehow, ti would've been even more greatly damaged by the crash. That and Clover's semblance is luck (though Clover's and Qrows semblances seem to rarely even matter when it comes to many of the fights they're in.) and Tyrion seemed to have difficulties against Clover's weapon, mainly how to even counter it.
All this being said, again, Qrow was the voice of reason for a short while while in the transport, and pretty much said it was fine and that they should talk to Ironwood to clear up what's happening. Until Robyn decided she wanted to fight and Qrow decided he didn't want to be the rational one anymore.
@@bradleyhandsonjoehallschro5419 Oh? You think Clover could have taken on Tyrian alone, and that Qrow would likewise think so? Tell me, what's the margin for failure on that? Because, if Clover can't... there's no going back from that.
Look at it from Qrow's perspective. He could disengage, *hope* Clover can take Tyrian despite needing 3 to 1 odds previously, *hope* Clover can keep Tyrian from killing a completely defenseless Robyn throughout said fight, and *hope* that Tyrian wouldn't just himself disengage the moment the fight turned against him. Likewise, This is all assuming that Clover, who as we saw in the fight vastly prioritized arresting Qrow over Tyrian, wouldn't just immediately leave Tyrian and Robyn and go in pursuit of Qrow.
*…Or* he could just stick around and help handle the situation himself. Like seriously, that's a lot of things for him to just hope works out.
Another thing to note... aura seems to replenish itself fairly quickly. Cinder had her aura knocked out during the fight at Haven, but then fought Raven just a few minutes later. Jaune had his knocked out during the fight with cordovin's mech, but then boosted Nora moments later. And I believe there are a few other examples throughout the series. Considering the fact that none of these are ever treated as odd, it indicates that aura may not actually take all that long to replenish.
So yes, for all we know, Tyrian's aura was fully replenished, or at least decently replenished. He himself didn't seem all that concerned with getting in a fight with two of the people who recently defeated him.
Also, did we watch the same scene? Because I remember Qrow trying to deescalate even during the fight on the transport. Hell, the only reason he got involved in that fight at all was to try and stop the other two from beating the crap out of each other.
@@SirSpangler I'm not saying that Qrow thought Clover could take on Tyrion, but he'd certainly have a better chance beating him without Qrow being there (going by that it was CLover vs Qrow vs Tyrion). It would also be safe t assume that since Qrows semblance is bad luck and Clover's is good luck, they'd just sorta cancel each other out.
Now how's Qrow teaming up with Tyrion 'handling the situation'? Teaming up with a murderous psychopath to beat down another guy into submission/giving up? Did Qrow think that Tyrion was gonna be honorable and not take down Clover and just have a 1v1 with Qrow afterwards? Now I use 'team up' but I know that's not exactly what happened, however, when you stop fighting the literal agent of that world's devil and let him fight alongside you... you kinda did that to yourself. We can guess that Clover wouldn't be able to stop Tyrian from killing a k.oed Robyn, but Tyrian could've done so before he engaged with them. And yeah, *maybe* Clover would've still pursued Qrow if Qrow left in a bird form, which would've just made Clover look all the dummer by leaving Tyrion with Robyn.
As for the aura regen, I don't recall Cinder losing her aura before she fought Raven. I remember her being injured from silver eyes, but there's no indication her aura broke, she just sorta... collapsed. And isn't Jauns whole deal that he has a ton of aura? He has a lot of it, it replenishes faster than others, he's able to boots other peoples auras and semblances with his, it's sorta his deal.
And no, we watched the same scene. On the transport when Qrow decided to get involved was after Clover tripped up Robyn and knocking her face first onto the floor (CLover had ample time before she stepepd back into the fight to go and cuff her, 12 whole seconds I believe.) After Robyn goes down, Qrow says "hrh, fine" and takes out his sword and attacks Clover. Clover says he" wishes it didn't have to come to this", Qrow responds with "it didn't have to." To Qrows credit, he's right, he was the one that made the first one against Clover instead of just sitting their or helping Clover to properly restrain Robyn (and thus proving to Clover he wishes no ill intent).
Qrow never stepped between Robyn and Clover. Clover seemed to have had a handle on things and Qrow destabilized it by attacking Clover. It doesn't really matter anyways when characters hit each other, they don't really take physical damage until their aura's depleted.
People complain about Qrow helping Tyrian but at 1:27 Clover attacks qrow instead of helping fight Tyrian so Qrow was justified in trying to take Clover out to fight Tyrian 1vs1
It was interesting because I don't anyone here (I have hint of blame for Clover).
Clover is a soldier and soldiers follow orders, Qrow went for the biggest threat but Clover gave him no choice, Tyrian was willing to team up with anyone friend or foe so long he gets the carnage and psychopaths are unpredictable bunch. The only problem here is Clover lacked the real priority and he paid the price.
Yeah, because fighting alongside a murdering sadist is definitely a better idea
@@averywhitaker3513 I didn't say it was a better idea, Qrow just had no other options.
@@averywhitaker3513 If you pay attention during the fight, after Tyrian proposes the team up Qrow goes straight for him. Qrow doesn't want to team up but then Clover attacks Qrow and even after it isn't much of a "team". Through the rest of the fight Qrow doesn't help Tyrian, he simply just doesn't attack him
@@DanthebobGaming he shows a half second of hesitation, and then charges clover. And not attacking each other is teaming up. I dont *want* to sound rude, but its almost like you watched a different scene
Regardless of how you feel about the outcome of the fight, that's some spicy choreography.
CRWBY has nailed the action.
Agreed
Facts.
Yep.
Supah spicy
The only thing good about this scene was the actual onscreen movements of the characters.
There are so many times where characters just teleport, even Qrows sword does it. It's so shameful that even in a 3D environment they fail to keep the slightest amount of continuity
"You dont know my friends, thats how it always goes" This line kills me everytime the look in his eyes and the voice acting.
Can you explain this line to me I'm pretty dense
@@arkansatriahardiputra9703 it means that qrow feels like his friendships always end in fighting
You know, for people that absolute despise each other, Qrow and Tyrian work surprisingly well as a team.
Well, Qrow is supposed to be an assassin
Qrow legit took a swing at Tyrian during their 'teamup'
@@Azhiru Yeah they aren't working together just focusing on the same target
I don't think it was dumb to temporarily truce with Tyrian, but I do, however, think it was dumb to fight each other instead of the psychotic madman that just crashed the plane to kill everyone on board
Like, maybe wanna deal with that first fellas?
This fight was absolutely horrendous in every way. Monty would be rolling in his grave
@@averywhitaker3513 That seems a bit extreme. Sure, it doesn't make any sense and the characters act like morons, but it's still well animated and choreographed
I feel like qrow knew he could beat tyrian in a 1v1 so strategically in his head it was smarter to deal with clover first before going for tyrian
@@jennytulls6369 well animated*
@@jennytulls6369 Qrow attempted to fight Tyrian twice clover stopped him twice
3:19 so glad we finally got another shot like this. I loved it when it would go all black and white except for 1 color. Looks dope
They're like the illustrations in RWBY storybook.
"I'LL KILL YOU! "
"Oh you mean liked you just killed clover? "
Damn fam that gotta hurt
NOW THATS A LOT OF DAMAGE
Tyrian "well I guess today was my LUCKY day"
*chuckles then slowly slides into a mad cackle *
Feel like an opportunity was missed here xD
Tyrian's choreography is amazing, my favorite of all
Always loved how he fought and i was so dissapointed on the 3v1 in the allyway but this awesome fight more then makes up for it
Clover really got himself killed, cause idk why you decided to continue attacking your friend when he was focusing the psychotic serial killer😑, should have just detained tyrian then continued the foolishness robyn started
I mean Qrow was also pretty dumb here for thinking that teaming up with a psychotic murderer to fight his friend wouldn't have sad consequences.
DeoxysDNA it makes sense though, knock clover out then tyrian, which he only decided to reverse because clover tried to knock him out first instead of tyrian
@@Majistymills And then he blamed James for some reason, because logic.
grace calis cause james put out the order because he panicked, which he seems to do alot
@@Majistymills Right, Qrow teamed up with a psychotic murderer against Clover, but the fault is on James, who just called out for the arrest of the people who were obviously going to betray him. Bigbrain move, Qrow. Bigbrain
This fight occured b/c everyone but Tyrian lost brain cells
Robyn was the while cause of that fight tbh.
Oh yes, 2 good guys fighting each other instead of fighting the mass murder lunatic
To be fair...Why didn't Tyrian just wait it out until they've finished their fight? That way, he'd only have a single enemy to fight and that enemy would've been exhausted from just taking on another powerful opponent.
...I guess it would be somewhat out of character for him to just patiently sit there and wait until one of them knocks another out.
@@Volthoom yeah tyrian seems like the kind of guy to enjoy fucking with people. He saw a chance and took it.
@@Volthoom True.
Tbh, it's because he's insane.
Qrow has go through too much heck in RWBY
1. Bad luck charm.
2. Got poisoned.
3. When he found out Leo was working with Salem.
4. When he found out about ozpins secret.
5. Clover dies in front of him
edit: dang never expect to have so many likes thx
Also watched his team fall apart and got into a unhealthy drinking obession at one point.
Also Ironwood attempting to arrest him.
He's bad luck is so powerful, it even infected his voice actor
I'm not sorry
@@Adam_Strange why would you say something so controversial yet so brave?
Also, his sister's behaviour and abandonment.
3:19
*"Critical Stab"*
Tyrian; "Oh dear, I've made quite a mess."
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tyrian: *is knocked out*
tyrian two seconds later: *”HAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAPPHHHFF”*
Goddamn I love Tyrian, he's such a crazy bastard that he makes events more entertaining to watch just by participating in them. Easily my favorite villain in the show.
Watching this fight in slow mo is a treat, there’s so many blink and you miss moments and movements so fast that sheer amount of work that must’ve gone into this fight alone must’ve staggering.
Yeah, I really love how they play around with teleportation
@@averywhitaker3513 Teleportation? Nah, It's more like just very short buildup to each move followed by very few frames that show the attack or move being made. Kinda reminds me of Furi and some fighting games, where the wind-up is brief but recognizable and followed by a brief, couple frame move with smears to help show it. While it's more superhero and flashy comic than realistic timing, it works.
@@Iridescent_Astraea it's not that. I was talking about how they couldnt keep a cohesive battle layout with only 3 units and everything in a program that they could watch over and over from every angle. I cant remember most of it, but I do remember that the part where tyrion would have to go and grab qrows blade to stab clover would put him in the view of the two characters, even if they played the viewers angle so we didnt see it. This fight/story scene was so bad it turned me off of rwby in its entirety
3:39 I've been replaying that phrase for an unhealthy amount of times, how he says it is just so funny for a moment so serious.
And then Qrow turns into Shulk and screams
Poor Qrow. His bad luck just keeps making more regrets for him.
I give props to a fight between characters voiced by our best FUNimation actors, Qrow (Liebrecht), Clover (Wehkamp) and Tyrian (Grelle). Even the raging, the screaming, and the axe-crazy laughter by Tyrian
I think this is all on him.
Allying himself with Tyrian was a dumb idea, and very out of character, it was to be expected it would end up like this.
Eltyr Not like Clover was innocent either, Clover kept prioritizing Qrow over Tyrian, literally saving Tyrian from Qrow twice before Qrow decided to focus on Clover.
@@MystMG no it's not Qrows fault at all.
Qrow wanted to take down Tyrian asap but Clover just kept focusing him and because of that, Qrow knew that he would lose. He chose Tyrian because Tyrian looked tired/weakened (Tyrian was faking it) and Qrow was hoping to knock Clover out and then finish Tyrian off, but he got distracted. I cant blame anyone BUT Clover, had he not been an idiot, they could've taken down Tyrion (most likely executing him on the spot) and then proceeding to fight each other
@@azaira1802 but choosing Tyrian.. someone who works for Salem. He can't be trusted like... AT ALL. It doesn't make sense to just trust that bug so blindly.
@@firepuppies4086 what choice did he have? He knew that if he didn't end the fight quickly, someone WAS going to die and it most likely would have been himself if he had continued to try and fight Tyrian. He honestly picked the best option available, I don't think people are seeing this fight in a grand scheme, Qrow can't win a 2v1, but if he were to do a 2v1 against Clover, he could win and most likely end up knocking him out and then just fight Tyrion, but he got distracted from his emotions. Even at the end of the fight, he decided to not draw his weapon and to use his hands to avoid killing Clover.
it's actually scary how awfully wicked Tyrian's mind works when devising plans of trickery...
There's something wrong with Qrow's voice... It just lacks the same gruff indifference that Vic brought to the character.
Yeah not being drunk
@@neofulcrum5013 I can see a rwby chibi skit of this explaining why his voice is different.
@@neofulcrum5013 or being drunk for years and suddenly quitting, removing the alcohol's distortion of his voice and revealing what it really is like after years of damage.
@Julian R it’s back baby!
You could tell afterwards that Clover was the one friend Qrow didn't wish he fought, nor lose in the process. I loved Clover's character, and the friendship both him and Qrow made. It's just sad that things ended the way it did, but it now sets up the thought of the future battle between him and Tyrian
People say nobody's actions in this fight make sense, but I can only really see that for Clover. Robyn is a malcontent whose tentative alliance with Ironwood has just been shattered by the revelation that he's abandoning her city (And her teammates, who are still down there), and essentially turning Atlas into a police state. Starting a fight in the Bullhead wasn't a good decision, but her only other option was basically sit quietly while her city is abandoned, her friend is arrested, and she's taken into a police state, where she'd likely be detained or "disappeared" on arrival. She has no reason to trust Ironwood or Clover.
Qrow has just found out, through a panicked and cut off message from his niece, that Ironwood is planning to abandon Mantle and declare martial law, and then finds out that there's a warrant out for his and his family's arrest (When he, at least, hasn't broken any crimes). Even still, he tries to talk Clover down, but with Tyrian agitating and Robyn backed into a corner, there's really nothing he can do but defend himself. As for his makeshift alliance with Tyrian, with Clover focused solely on him and Tyrian being so apparently willing, he didn't really have much choice there, either. He was probably planning to backstab Tyrian as soon as Clover was out of action, but was beaten to the punch.
Clover was absolutely stupid, yes, but technically he was only following stupid orders. Like all the Ace Ops, he puts far more blind faith in Ironwood and the system than he really should, and shows a relative lack of free thinking shared by the rest of the Ace Ops, sans Marrow. He followed his most recent orders - Arrest Qrow -, above all others, including detaining Tyrian. Had he put aside his orders to team up against clearly the greater threat, he might have survived, but he didn't, and that's the point. it's to show how bad that kind of fanatic, near-robotic loyalty and discipline can be.
Add on the fact that they're probably operating on little sleep and high exhaustion (Remember, the attack began in earnest in the evening, and Clover died the following morning, so that's probably 24 hours awake, and at least 8 or so in combat) and Tyrian fanning the flames, and while it's not great writing, it's not as horrible as some people make it out to be.
Glad at least someone else gets it
Something interesting is that all 3 served as strongly loyal followers of others.
Clover trusted Ironwood with his life.
Tyrian kills in Salem's name without remorse.
Qrow abandoned his years of unquestioning loyalty Ozpin after learning it was unfounded.
Just goes to show that sometimes, loyalty can be just as if not more dangerous than being the blind leader in the first place.
Qrow’s decision had many things stacked on top of it...
1.) when Clover told Qrow that team RWBY was under arrest his judgment already getting clouded because of him wanting to protect the kids and getting out of the situation as soon as possible
2.) Qrow wanting revenge on Tyrian was also clouding his mind
3.) When the 1v1v1 was happening, Clover kept blocking Qrow’s hits on Tyrian, obviously him getting frustrated.
Also another thing is I would like to mention, Qrow didn’t immediately take Tyrian up on his offer he hesitated only for when Clover blocked another shot on Tyrian he decided to side with him. To quickly end the fight and get back to RWBY.
Counter points
Tyrion is obviously the more dangerous threat, and he should be prioritized
Clover would be smart enough to go, once again, for the bigger threat
Qrow should have played tyrion into a sandwich like at 1:36
It was literally half a second before qrow decided that the person who did not want to see everyone qrow knew and loved dead was the better option to focus on
Tyrion almost killed him
Tyrion almost killed ruby
This scene was stupid
If Qrow wanted to get to RWBY then why didn't he, oh I don't know, _turn into a goddamn bird and leave._
grace calis
First: Vengeance.
Second: not exactly a bright idea to leave a serial killer with his target unconscious (Robyn Hill was knocked out after the crash.)
Third: Clover will probably notice that his target is escaping and stop him.
@@averywhitaker3513 1. Most villainous? Biggest threat? Not exactly Qrow mostly handled Tyrian very well and knows he can beat him while not having as much experience with Clover
2. Again same argument as Clover is more aware of Tyrian then Qrow
3. Clover and Qrow both knew they could handle Tyrian but neither knew if they could beat each other
4. Again both knew they could handle Tyrian infact Clover incapacitated Tyrian in that fight only stopped by Qrow
@@Redoren966 tyrion is the only person in that fight likely to kill someone. That does make him the biggest threat. Neither of them know they can beat him in a 1v1. Qrow might have a guess at it, but clover has no clue. The only time clover fought him out was a 3v1, not exactly a good source for figuring out the power of an opponent. And keep in mind that Qrow is an unwilling combatant, meaning that he could have been easily persuaded to temporarily team up on tyrion, which they do know they could likely win, based on both previous experiences and simple tactics. Qrow and clover took the most stupid option in this fight.
no brain: "Omg Qrow is such an idiot for teaming up with with Tyrian"
Big Brain: "Actually Qrow was trying to take out Tyrian the whole fight, Clover kept attacking Qrow like an idiot because he was so focused on following orders"
*[Four_Leaved_Clover] has been kicked from the party*
Yeah true but still taking the enemy of my enemy thing too far!
No brain: “Omg Qrow is such an idiot for teaming up with Tyrian”
Big Brain: “Actually Qrow was trying to take out Tyrian the whole fight, Clover kept attacking Qrow like an idiot because he was so focused on following orders.”
Ascended Brain: “The whole thing was actually Robyn’s fault for starting a battle on a cramped airship that was currently hauling a mass murderer to prison.”
@@mr.cup6yearsago211 Mega ascended brain: "The whole thing is Ironwood's fault for overreacting and ordering the arrest of *everyone* because team RWBY didn't want to abandon Mantle to die horribly"
ScalierLemon Ultimate brain: “The whole thing was actually Yang’s fault for convincing Blake to help her go behind Ironwood’s back to tell one of his greatest rivals his plans.”
Say what you will about Tyrian. I personally feel that he’s insane and manipulative above all else, but damn, he makes for a powerful and capable ally! Yes, I know he was faking it and it was all a ruse to kill Clover and have Qrow take the fall, but still, he’s a damn good actor!
Am I the only one who thinks this?
I agree.
For real. It was kinda disturbing how well Tyrian complimented Qrow’s fighting style.
He's the RWBY's Joker sooo....... No.
okay but qrow’s voice actor in the scene ?? what amazing work !!!!!
aiviee Most people were unsure about his new voice actor but the guy proved to be well suited for the role.
JS S yeah ! i get the initial hesitation, especially when it comes to such a well liked character, but i think he did such an amazing job this volume !!
I still have my reservations about it. He doesn't sound natural, nor does he have the good gritty tone that vic was able to put into it. Personally not a fan.
Honestly I watched the whole season not knowing the voice actor changed
I thought it would take me a bit, and I still love the old voice, but I warmed up to Jason Liebrecht REAL quick, and this episode so far is the peak of his performance. Marvelously done
guess they're all outta luck...get it? ...okay i'll go.
leave this planet immediately!
Bad luck?
More like bad writing
Sometimes I wonder if this is how Monty envisioned where the show was about to go...
Nope take my like and *GET TO ZA TOP!*
From high school hunters classes to game of thrones wow such huge outcome
"yOu kNoW mY tRaCk rEcOrD wItH tHe AuThOrItIeS"
woah Tyrian can legit throw a teamwork when fighting..he's literally supporting Qrow.
How Ironic that his last words to Qrow were "Good Luck." That was a really nice piece of storytelling right there RT.
Tyrian is a suprisingly good teamplayer.
I can't be the only one think Clover is a moron. You're fighting Qrow and Tyrian. One is a good guy, the other is a psychomaniac serial killer. Anyone with more than single-digit IQ would team up with the good guy to take down Tyrian first, then deal with Qrow after. Not Clover though, what a tactician.
Guys it’s literally a fight with Dabi, Aizawa, and Tokoyami.
Crowe: "Yeah, I'll just team up with a notorious serial killer for a while, nothing could go wrong here."
Cover kinda forced his hand....
Qrow never actually helped Tyrian or picked him back up when he was down, he just ignored him entirely. Clover didn’t give him a choice, and Qrow thought that if that continued, both he and Clover would die
Clover at 1:25 and 1:55 : "My friend is trying to fight the psycho murderer that we were supposed to detain? Why yes, this is the perfect opportunity to surprise attack him."
Don't get me wrong, they both acted stupid here, but Qrow switched targets immediately after he noticed Tyrian, while Clover kept focusing on attacking Qrow like a bloody idiot.
In the end he was nothing more than a pawn who couldn't stop blindly following orders for 3 fucking seconds.
Jason did an awesome job in Volume 7. I still miss Vic though. 😔
Don't we all?
"I trust James with my life."
_Immediately loses his life._
Yeah.........a lot of good that did him lol
"I'll make sure of it."
Qrow proceeds to never interact with Ironwood for the rest of the show because they ran out of budget to animate a conclusion to the Ironwood/Qrow conflict, leaving this entire point moot.
I simply cannot believe just how many of these comments boil down to "I lack critical thinking skills, therefore the writing is bad"
tyrain's speech skill must be at a 100. It's the only way I can understand why qrow would have sided with him.
He ensured that QRow and Clover would fight. Clover took the bait and ran with it, fighting QRow. This allowed Tyrian to convince QRow that clover is the threat that needs to be taken out.
Clover technically attacked qrow first when qrow was going after Tyrian and he just played along.
@@Hargazer I mean I know why he did it I just can't believe it worked. If anything. Qrow should have been like " team up? That's a great idea! Hey clover let's takedown tyrain first then you and me can settle this." Like I see this as probably my biggest glaring issue with vol.7 because it's like qrow forgot tyrain is a bigger threat working with salem not to mention he tried to kidnap his niece to more then likely be killed.
@@calamityhex3729 You forget that Salem and her team's m.o. is Divide and Conquer. It was a perfect storm. Dumb as Clover is, he think he can still be friends with Qrow but also support the guy who essentially threatens to jail Qrow's nieces. Shortly before the fight, you can tell that Qrow is very much not trusting Clover.
The reason it worked, is because Clover was very much not paying attention until it was too late. He knows that Qrow is not trusting him and not willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. If a truce or even an alliance between the two is to happen, it's up to Clover to step up and regain the faith Qrow has lost in him. But he didn't. Instead he didn't realize that Tyrian was guiding him into pressuring Qrow, essentially pushing him towards allying himself with Tyrian.
@@Hargazer this is not, in any way, the fault of the characters. This lies entirely on whatever knob who wrote this scene. It was out of character for qrow, stupid for clover, but I guess the one person for tyrion did their job well.
Imagine if Clover was involved in the RWBY vs Ace Ops fight
They would have been washed hell even if you take one member out clover easily can take two of them at least
watching it at half speed... qrow's expression and body language just before he and tyrian """team up""" is so heartbreaking. he just looks resigned. he doesn't want this, but in the moment, tyrian is the lesser threat (or at least seems to be) and if he wants to get back to the kids, he has to incapacitate clover. it's the logical choice, in qrow's position, but in his mind he doesn't really *have* a choice - fight tyrian AND clover (at best, he'll be too worn down to help the kids when he gets back to them, at worst... he doesn't make it back to them) or accept the only help he's going to get, even though it's from the enemy.
his plan was probably to knock clover out and then take on tyrian, but clover sealed his own fate when he disarmed qrow. honestly, he likely sealed it when he told qrow rwby was under arrest, because if clover is willing to fight qrow like this, what would he do to the kids? what if they're hurt? what's happening to them *right now* and qrow's not there to help? qrow was willing to go quietly and ideally talk it out until he realized the kids were in danger. robyn escalating didn't help, sure, but clover seemed to forget that they were *already* in a prisoner transport. he could have just quietly requested backup to meet the ship when they landed to take qrow and tyrian both, but instead he decides that securing the *literal serial killer* is less of a priority than arresting the man he's been working with for however long, who he probably knows well enough now to talk it out with, and who is a reasonable person and not fucking insane like tyrian.
also... my personal opinion is that the punch that broke clover's aura was a *lucky* shot, not an *unlucky* one. clover's good luck helps qrow in the moment, not qrow's bad luck hurting yet another person he cares about. because - correct me if i'm wrong - we never see clover touch his pin during this fight, so he's not focusing his semblance; we know qrow's bad luck affects others seemingly at random, why would clover's good luck not work the same way when not focused?
It's so silly that they had Clover focus on Qrow so much while Tyrian was right there. His orders are to bring both of them in, and Tyrian is definitely the biggest threat. The choreograpy is great, but the fight itself is frustrating.
I think clover consider qrow the bigger threat he knew qrow longer and knows what he can do with triyan the only thing he saw was a crazy guy who was taken down easily the last time they fought
@@sparknazo In other words, the writers made him stupid.
I wouldn’t say that Tyrian is a bigger threat than Qrow. Qrow’s been shown to be perfectly capable of defeating Tyrian alone, likely helped by his semblance.
From Clover’s perspective. It would probably make sense to focus on Qrow first, since if he wins, it doesn’t matter how much intent there is to kill, because both threats are incapacitated.
Atlesians being so obnoxious that Ozma's and Salem's men don't mind combinig forces against them.
Y'know what I'm glad about this volume? They seem to have finally remembered that aura can manifest in ways that aren't a character's semblance and absorbing damage. This is notable here in Tyrian channeling his aura into his hands to do more damage with his hits, much like Ren did early on. Kinda bothers me that they've never done more with that mechanic
Qrow logic: yeah I'm just going to trust and side with a murderous psychopath that I hate and have fought before
2:06
Qrow legit turned his back and ran ahead of Tyrian bruh I just can’t
Everyone blames Qrow for fighting with Tyrian but Clover clearly attacks Qrow first when Tyrian shows up. Clover could have helped at the start, yet chose to attack Qrow instead while he's fighting Tyrian already.
It didn't feel like Qrow could possibly prioritise defeating Clover over Tyrian and it didn't really make sense for me.
Emotional manipulation is a much stronger force than it may appear from the outside of one’s mind.
Well tbf qrow went directly for tryian first but clover kept attacking him
@@notthalis9545 I one hundo agree, but Qrow knows how much more dangerous Tyrion is. And I'd be willing to put stocks against him having Ill will after he almost killed him that one time. This was a stupid move, not on Qrow or Clover, but by whoever wrote this scene.
They could even have let it play out organically, with qrow playing defense against clover, while putting tyrion in clovers way and attacking when he could.
Clover should have realized that qrow would not kill him, and should have gone for tyrion. (Before someone comes at me saying qrow was, under ironwoods orders, to be arrested, so was tyrion.)
Tyrion was the only thing aside from the mechanical movements of the characters that was even enjoyable. Unfortunately, they ruined it because they either dont understand how to make a situation like this organic, or simply dont care.
He didn't, he was trying to fight Tyrian but clover kept getting in the way
@@brianbrush5107 yeah, that totally stands up throughout the entire fight, right?
Can i just say that clover death was entirely his fault for prioritising beating qrow his actual friend rather then the mass murderer qrow didn't have a choice if he didn't team up with tyrian he would either be taken in or get killed
"It doesn't look like your friend's gonna make it..." Somewhere, the Joker and Dr. Lecter are smiling with pride.
Anyone remember Episode 1, When the Ace Ops Arrested them, the first weapon Clover took was Harbinger... Hmn
Not only was Clover stupid for not prioritizing Tyrion as an enemy. But he literally was using a (potentially) dying Robin as leverage to get Qrow to go with him. He didn’t even look concerned or check if Robin was ok.
Well he had no real connection to her and on top of that he hardly knows tryian well qrow he sees as a much greater threat
@@sparknazo Robin is his comrade! Hes a sworn duty to protect people and he dosnt give a shit about robin when she could be dead
The thing that always bugged me most in this fight is when Clover actively stopped Qrow from attacking Tyrian. Like... why? His orders are to arrest and deliver them both. Qrow ended up "teaming up" with Tyrian because Clover roundly rejected focusing on Tyrian first, clearly the larger threat, because reasons.
This fight has never sat right with me but I understand the breakdown. Tyrian expertly played both men's emotional instability (Qrow) and frankly idiotic sense of "duty" (Clover) against each other. The few times Qrow tried to engage Tyrian, Tyrian just maneuvered in such a way that it either worked for him or against Clover; or Clover directly interfered and tried to attack Qrow while his back was turned. My problem is mostly with the way Clover was so mentally stunted by his loyalty that he prioritized arresting the PRO HUNTSMAN he was on FRIENDLY TERMS WITH over the fucking SERIAL KILLER.
I think Tyrian must have some sort of "make people do stupid shit" semblance. Why else would Clover continue to attack Qrow when Tyrian the mass murdering psychopath is right there? Also why would Qrow even entertain the idea of teaming up with said psychopath?
Writers who forgot how to write
Avery Whitaker Writers are so obsessed with tragedy and suspense and plot twists that the story gets screwed over. I already knew Winter wasn’t going to be the maiden as soon as she told Weiss she was chosen for it.
@@seraphlazuli6251 like not even the obsession. I love all of those things, but when you try to create tragedy by diagnosing the characters with fatal dum bitch disease it absolutely ruins it
People blame Qrow for Clover's death when he initially IGNORES Tyrian's offer to team up and only does so AFTER Clover blocks Qrow off from attacking Tyrian TWICE?
Seriously? You think its Qrow's complete fault?
If only qrow could run from the fight. Too bad he doesn’t have the ability to turn into a bird, reducing his mass and giving him flight....if only he had those abilities
@@williamnguyen8663 Run from the fight and then what? Go find help from an extremely long distance and /hope/ Tyrian didn't kill Clover himself?
Yes. It’s his semblance. His semblance killed many of his friends. This is the life that Qrow lives until he chooses to keep a distance again.
@@MrBankaikenshin the only reason Tyrian killed clover was because he was distracted by qrow. If qrow wasn’t there, he would’ve taken Tyrian down fine
WAIT, ROOBIN CAN SEE IF WHAT QROW SAYS IS TRUE, IT'S LIKE A SCANNER.
DO NOT PANIC
R.I.P CLOVER, we all love you
What’s interesting is this is a fight between some of the most dangerous Huntsman we’ve ever come across in the show. Not powerful like Maidens or with some constantly using some flashy ability, just raw skill and semblances that tilt things in their favour in a way that is terrifying to really consider. Look at Tyrian and his semblance. The man can cut through Aura, the one power that makes all the death defying stunts the characters pull off possible and if his hands didn’t glow when he used it he’d be even scarier since you’d never know when to block with a weapon or to tank with aura. Qrow and Clover can manipulate luck to their favour, though they’re flavoured as good and bad respectively. That isn’t a power you can dodge or plan around, you can only pray that when you fight either of these two that your shoelaces don’t come undone or that their allies show up at the best possible moment. And to top it off, they don’t have the weakness of being unskilled or physically weak, these are Salem, Vale and Atlas’ most skilled and reliable warriors as a whole. I mean, Tyrian is the one sent to capture Ruby and kill the other Huntsman from Haven, Qrow is confirmed in universe lore to be a celebrity in Vale and Huntsman circles since he’s that strong and is widely known to be the best in the Kingdom, and Clover is the leader of Atlas’ top group of Hunstman. It would’ve been great to have a couple of the main cast here simply to watch and realise how outclassed they are.
As unpleasant as this scene was, the way qrow and tyrian were working together was quite amusing. Also am I the only one thinking that maybe clover could have won if he wasn't using a glorified fishing rod as a primary weapon?
It will be a miracle for qrow to use harbinger (qrow's scythe) again. Since his weapon was used to kill clover.
Lol He'll probably stick to hand-to-hand now
I cant even tell you how much this scene broke me when I first watched it. Not only did Qrow loose YET another person he considered a friend, but he blames himself for it AGAIN. This scene was done so well, all from Clovers last words being "good luck", to the art style when he is stabbed (its the same style as when Yang lost her arm), and Qrow and Clovers last interaction where it shows how different they are. Its really, REALLY heartbreaking. The death scene is so full of symbolisim that I could write an entire essay on it lmao. The voice acting done by all three actors really show you how top notch the show is, Jason is BREATHTAKING as Qrow, and the way Josh says "Like you just killed Clover?"??? CHILLS ALL AROUND. God, I love this show.
When Qrow and Tyrian have some of the best team work skills In RWBY
For all the people saying it was idiotic for Qrow to side with Tyrian, notice at 1:55 after he suggests working together Qrow *doesn't* shift his focus to Clover, he *continues* to attack Tyrian until Clover does the wrong thing and attacks Qrow instead. Qrow only switches when he realises Clover will not stop trying to arrest him instead of dealing with the real threat of Tyrian.
At the end of the day, he still sided with Tyrian. Hell, he could've cheap shorted Tyrian so many times to knock his ass out. He could've idk USE HIS WORDS to tell Clover to restrain Tyrian. These episode was full of stupid.
RaginDXDemon I like what you’re saying but based on the evidence none of that would have worked
@@kalieffoster4607 I know because Qrow and Clover caught Stage 4 of the Stupid virus.
"Hey, I know we're like... in the middle of a battle, but can we agree that Tyrian is the bigger threat right now?"
"Nah. I'd rather keep fighting you."
"Alright, I'll just team up with the crazed psychopath then"
seeing this fight remind me of that one tekken movie when jin heiachi and kazuya fight each other in a temple
So now that we’ve seen someone in the show important to the main cast die that’s NOT a redhead, I propose a new theory: Any character that holds significant importance to any of the main characters will most likely die if their eye color is green. Penny, Roman, Pyrrha, and now Clover have proven this so far. It also explains why Nora isn’t a target yet despite her red hair, she has BLUE eyes rather than green.
The fatal flaw of the spec ops in my opinion.
I miss Qrow's old original voice actor 😔
Honestly is it any wonder Qrow became an Alcoholic?
Tyrians having a good time
*having a good time*
I’m honestly surprised this fight didn’t spark a bunch of Tyrian/Qrow shipping
Yeah. I mean it didn't take much for people to ship qrow and clover lol
This is what happens when you have a 1 v 1 v 1. At some point, two people are going to agree to fight the other to simplify things. I only wish Qrow and Clover could have worked together to take out Tyrian and then fought.
In case people here are wondering why Qrow sided with Tyrian here it's because he was the only one willing to team up. If you've been in a fight before you'll know how important it is to have someone watching your back and it's very clear that Clover wouldn't have set down the differences between him and Qrow long enough to team up against Tyrian while Tyrian was. Also, note that Clover never stopped focusing on Qrow even when it would have been smarter to pacify Tyrian first
you said it yourself: it would have been smarter to pacify Tyrian first
So it's retarded, no doubts about it.
I would have liked seeing Clover and Winter fight along each other, both of them being Ironwood's top soldiers.
Qrow is a lot more effective with his bare hands
probably a trend at this point
Yes qrow teamed up with tyrian to kill clover but perhaps not intentionally. I did notice a part where clover prioritises apprehending qrow over tyrian, so qrow is not entirely to blame.
I mean regardless of how you see it tyrian was going to kill someone. If Qrow didn't fight back against neither, Clover would try to arrest him and Tyrian would get in a sneak attack Qrow was the only person keeping Tyrion off Clover because that's who he was aiming for in the fight the whole time.
I always thought clover was smarter than this. why not just take tyrian out together? his loyalty to ironwood cost him his life
Imagine if Qrow joined Salem's faction and he fought with them, that would make an interesting story and a lot of cool team fights.
This fight is stupid. I don't understand why the writers forced the narrative to where Clover focused soley on trying to capture both Tyrian and Qrow or made it so neither Qrow or Clover ever thought to propose the idea of tag teaming Tyrian. It's truly baffling especially since they had Clover bring up their relationship as if that mattered well enough in the grand scheme of things and this is excluding the fact that they're both still huntsman and should be willing to work together take out the greater of two evils. Ultimately they should've either had the two team up to beat Tyrian or have it be free for all in which Tyrian would drop out first leading to Qrow and Clover having to duke it out in a final confrontation type of deal.
Clover was focused on qrow not tyrian
I like your idea better
The Ace Ops are based on Aesop's fables like Team RWBY is based on Fairy Tales. I think Clover's story was about a fisherman who was so focused on catching one fish that he didn't catch anything. I could be wrong though, I might be mixing up stories. Either way, the writers tried incorporating the Ace Ops stories into their fights, with Clover in this fight, and the rest of them in the fight with Team RWBY
@@tyvellg5374 Regardless of that being the case I still refuse to give this scene any less flack than I did 9 months prior to posting this comment. They should've handled his death more properly. Also even if the characters in rwby are based off of fairy tales or fables I still don't think thats ground to make their story of said character word for word like what it's referenced off of. Take inspiration if you must sure, but also be willing to add your own spin for one and two make sure that said spin is executed in a way that's entertaining and consistent with the story. Obviously if you have to compromise your story and characters just for a certain plot point then it's bad writing.
@@AshTheGreat1998 Factssssssssss
0:30 That part hit me straight in the feels, he sounds so done with life at this point. Clover dying is gonna make Qrow leave the group after he leaves Atlas for an unspecified amount of time and then he's gonna come back and either fight Raven or fight with her (which would be badass).
I really don't see any reason to fight with Raven anymore I felt like all of his anger so just be put towards Tyrian so we can actually get a legit real rematch against characters because so far they have done a very shity job of doing these rematches it's not the two specific characters going at it for keeps there's always a third party in the coral which I don't like this should give a good legit reason for you two to go all out against each other and finally put one of them six feet under
0:55 OOOOOH SWEET JESUS
0:58 OOOOOOWWWW
1:05 WTF!!!!!!!
That noise was just awful and made my skin crawl. Tyrian is terrifying
it's actually very realistic. many people who really wanna escape learn to dislocate they're thumb to make they're hand smaller.
Tyrian is really the creepiest villain of Rwby
Tyrian also literally nutted when he dislocated his thumb.
@@Top_Nep wait thats actually a thing people do?!
The only thing i've noticed is how Qrow's control of his scythe in the battle. When slowed down, you can see that he really had the experience to battle such an enemy of Salem and Clover, who is an Ace Ops. Literally, noticed that Qrow fights Clover even when back is turned, he knows how to deal with an enemy without being able to see the opponent of his.