We’ve owned our 2021 24D View for a year and love it - just under 20K miles in that first year. Our buying experience netted us about 30% off list price, though we actually walked out the door without buying and the “manager” chased us down in the parking lot to “reluctantly” accept our offer. I know the LTV is a great product too but I think this comparison on MSRP is disingenuous. Buying on features and availability makes more sense.
My argument would be Winnebago is the disingenuous one here. Pricing 30% over what someone could actually purchase for. There will be some that overpay as they don’t know they can negotiate or fail to negotiate low enough.
@@Pagosa That’s what causes me anxiety about a purchase. Not knowing how to negotiate or what starting price to offer, can be the difference of whether I’ll ever be able to get one. I think as a woman, I also put more anxiety on myself because of my previous experiences.
Brandon - I think the reason is that some dealers are only authorized to sell one over the other. Winnebago Industries used to run two dealer networks. In the past, they differentiated the networks by different brands (Winnebago and Itasca) much like Dodge and Chrysler having the same parent company, however nearly all Winnebago dealerships are single-brand dealerships. With two brands, Winnebago was able to have more than one dealership in the same territory. Through model year 2015, a dealership would offer either a Winnebago View or an Itasca Navion, but not both. Up until this time, there were differences in available options, colors, etc. In 2016, Winnebago Industries dropped the Itasca branding on the exterior and mirrored all available options starting with the 2017 model, though it continues to differentiate the two dealer networks by keeping both the View and Navion model names.
We ordered LTV Unity Rear Lounge before the pandemic, but cancelled the order when LTV built our rig WITHOUT the Sprinter upgrades of the 2019 chassis. We were told they had to build on whatever was available during the MB shortage of 2020. That’s fine but they should have informed us of the change to the build. We cancelled our order and bought the 2020 Winnebago Navion 24d instead. While you are correct the MSRP was higher, we paid much less due to dealer discount. LTV, like Tesla, does not discount their MSRP advertised online. I was fortunate in that dealers were in competition and drastically discounting rigs before the pandemic, which may no longer be the case. We love our Winnebago Navion, but I admit the quality of the LTV build is excellent (I’m just still upset with their business practices).
You are absolutely correct about the MSRP comparison between the Winnebago navion / View. I'm a owner of a 2021 Winnebago View 24d. I made the purchase in Connecticut at the one-and-only Winnebago dealership Crawley RV. MSRP was one approximately 180 k My purchase price was 132K plus tax and registration. Fretz RV in Pennsylvania indicated an 18-month wait and paying full MSRP for the Unity FX. In this case the unity (which was my first choice) turns out not the better Value Plus a long wait time.
That's amazing you were able to get your coach for a great price and shorter wait time. It's all about the now! Either one will be a really fun experience, so glad you get to enjoy it sooner rather than later.
I find it absolutely ridiculous that the purchase price can differ from the MSRP by almost $50,000 (25%). As Brandon says, that's highly disingenuous of Winnebago. The only possible goal would be to gouge the uninformed or inexperienced shoppers.
Great job! LTV is my choice. After a walk thru on the Winnie. The quality sucks. Lots of staples. One thing you didn't mention is the resale value on a used one . LTV is lot higher than the Winnie. So the cost of ownership is lower ..
@@danielwatts9803 a lot less Daniel. It isn’t an irrelevant comment, and you can shop for one yourself to see. The LTV pricing model is closer to their floor than Winnebago. One call to General RV and you will understand…
Daniel…..I’ve owned booth a LTV and Winnebago. Prior to Covid-19 them normal Winnebago discount was 33% where LTV might be $5-$10k. Their list pricing, marketing and discounts are completely different. Yes, you need to do your own research rather than putting down a comment.
The big winner with the winnebago is the fact you could actually get one in less than a year. But the pricing system is pretty ridiculous in my opinion.
you should have left off the optional paint job on the Navion, which artificially boosted the price by $8200since LTV doesn't charge for their colours AND there was an option for a paint scheme that was included on the Navion. Not that $8200 was going to make it equal by any means. The Navion is the name of the same unit when Winnebago had its 'upscale' division of 'Itasca'. I have owned an Itasca Navion and an LTV. The Itasca had more living space, better layout, better bathroom area. The LTV has nicer finishings, better more solid feel to it. Both drive very well. I liked the storage of the overhead 'bunk' area in the Navion, which is what I used it for ultimately. It can hold a lot. I found the lack of storage in the LTV very challenging for longer trips, or summer live-aboards. My LTV was also an FX, btw. Thanks, I have just found your 'channel', and have enjoyed each of the vlogs I have viewed of yours.
Thanks for watching, glad you found the channel. If I remember correctly, the free paint scheme were stickers, so I wanted to compare apples to apples with a full body paint.
Very interesting. The house of the LTV is totally different and aesthetically more pleasant, more insulation and better soundproofing for the LTV (even the underbelly), much higher quality and better finish overall for the LTV. Winnebago's workmanship is botched, etc. The perhaps only plus for Winnebago is the double pane acrylic windows option. Winnebago is not worthed the monétaire AT ALL.
Hands down, LTV is more beautifully made, has better resale, better gas mileage, and better floor plans than Navion! Hate the Navion bathroom-love the LTV separate shower room, potty in twin version. And the Navion privacy curtain? Uggggggg. Love, love, love the door divider in LTV that actually gives you real privacy. The coach is just more classy, innovative and well made all around. The wait is worth the differences!
@@Pagosa I almost bought a new Navion almost 2 years ago. Then I had the wonderful opportunity to not only see an LTV RTB, but drive one! It was just a no brainer after that. Decided to wait. The difference was enormous. In every way. Supposed to take delivery of my new coach Nov 19! Woo hoo! Love your videos--wish you would do more!
If you like space inside your coach there is no caparison to the Navion 24D. You have about twice the counter space and drawer space. I can have the Murphy bed down and move about very nicely. I do agree that the OCCC is limited. I just don't fill my water tank until I reach my destination. Yes it is a bit inconvenient, but when inside it feels like home.
Navion is a legacy RV from Itasca. Winnebago dropped the Itasca line but continued the Navion. It was like a Winnebago Tour & Itasca Elllipse. The Itasca line was a higher end RV. Slightly better interior. But now it’s gone. Comparing a no slide B+ to a Slide B+. You need to state the square footage of living space you are paying for. My guess is the Navion is about 20-30 more. So more $$$
All depends. 5% off MSRP vs maybe 35% of MSRP changes the game. Back in 2020, Pre-COVID, I got 40% off MSRP from Winnebago. So it really all depends. 22 yrs of RV and 4 new motorhome purchased I think it all depends on the state of the business and incentives available from the manufacturer.
I bought a Navion in 2021 and if I had it to do over again I would buy a Class C motorhome that uses the Ford E450 as its platform. My 2021 Navion has a OCCC of only 886 lbs for the people inside, any gear, food, water, etc. and the reality is that simply having the holding tanks full would not allow for the weight of a driver. The Ford E450 cab chassis has a GVWR that is 3,470 lbs greater than that of the Mercedes Sprinter 3500 cab chassis that Winnebago and Leisure Travel Vans both use.
Wow, that's crazy it's that low. My full option LTV has 1552 pounds, which is plenty for us, and some folks that don't have levelers and other options have close to 2000 pounds.
The difference between the View and the Navion is that the Navion is an Itasca product and the View is a Winnebago product. However they come off the same assembly line. I asked that question why have both when we bought our View Profile back in 2013 and the answer I got is they both have their followings. Some people want the Itasca and some people want the View. Kind of like Johnson and Evinrude outboard motors. The only difference is the paint and covers.
I am in the market for a sprinter class C and even though I love the LTV the price isn't even close. I am pricing a navion 24D almost fully loaded ( less theater seating) at 158K and I can buy one off the lot now. LTV comes in at 196K for the same basic unit and the wait is still over a year. I have to say I'm impressed with the quality of the navion as the cabinets and the seating are some of the best I have seen. I have never been inside a LTV but I have no doubt they are very high quality but with the price difference and the wait my money will be going towards the navion.
If competing dealerships in larger cities both offer Winnebago units, one gets the View and the other the Navion. Just trying to pull the buyers wool over their eyes. Both are 100% built the same. Can't wait for you to review the Tiffin Wayfarer. We decided a seven month wait we can do, Leisure's three year wait is not for us old folks. The Tiffin Wayfarer has the quiet diesel generator, big foot levelling jacks, aluwheels and Sumo springs ride assist standard.
I look forward to reviewing the Tiffin. I was fortunate to have Bob Tiffin himself show me the wayfarer last year, however ordered the LTV the same day. The Tiffin is very nice.
Thank you very much for taking the time to research all these details. These side by side comparisons really help. Looking for a video of the comparison to the Airstream you mentioned.
We have a 2017 24J with all options but auto leveling. We love the Navion. That said, our 1st choice was the Unity. Did not buy because hard to find and OCCC.
@@Pagosa My 2017 Navion 24J OCCC 1,239 LB with factory solar, inverter, Tvs, stabilizers, Onan diesel generator, upgraded Jensen sys, Truma, 15k ac heat pump... basically all upgrades except auto leveling since I wanted to keep that weight off. As I recall, that year LTV was about 200lb less with comparable upgrades. I still think the LTV UNITY leads the industry...the Wonder pioneered the rear open garage. I looked at Tiffin when they introduced class C, OCCC was around 780lb!! Don't know if they figured out they weren't building a class A yet. Their OCCC I believe unsafe on the roads.
You didn’t mention the construction of the house. I think the Leisure van is more solidly constructed with better insulation and under carriage protection than the Winnebago.
I really like what you're doing and the info you give us. Here in Canada they also have gone up by about $40,000 since COVID hit. Very sad because of that I will not be able to afford one.
Interesting comparison. I have been longing for a LTV for several years which is why I am here in the first place but have been looking at the Winnebago 24D. The large slide is appealing, the extra sleeping capacity in both the dinette and over cab area would be nice to have. The larger holding tanks, much bigger awning by something like 4 feet in length, larger 12V fridge, induction/ gas combo cook top and large windows on both sides of the coach. These are all in the Winnies favor. A larger dealer network helps too. And I suspect there might be some haggle room on price vs LTV. The Winnie also has the rear ladder and keyless entry, Alcoa wheels as standard and can likely be had much sooner. Have to agree on color options, overall looks for the LTV. And the LTV has the multiplexing system which is a nice to have. I suspect the LTV is likely the one but worth a look at the competition for sure. Thanks for the review.
Livability of the 24V is so much larger than my Unity Murphy Bed. Huge deep slide, very tall ceilings, long galley, sleeps six, big basement storage height, but realistically, with 1100lbs. of OCCC, you are really limited on who/what you can bring and that deep slide needs to be put to use the coach.
The Winnie models are family friendly, LTV’s are two person coaches. LTV can’t compete as a typical family C-class, and that’s a big reason we bought a Unity, no kids!
Nice video!! The 24V does come standard with macerated, so you would have to add option on LTV. The View/Navion can be ordered and delivery 6-12 months at 25% off msrp. LTV ordered is 24 months delivery. Do you pay msrp for a LTV or is it discounted, how much?
Ah, thanks for the info. Pre pandemic, the LTV discount was about 5% off msrp average around the country. Now, I would be afraid it could be "market value", being even more than MSRP like the auto industry is doing.
When we bought a 2021 Navion in August the wait time for a Leisure Travel Van was estimated at 18 months and the company was not taking new orders for the next 12 months.
As i noticed, your presentation lacks the details about the Winnebago models but you tend in the end of comparison to conclude already. I suggest that to be fair, you should have conducted thorough research.
These comparisons were going off information Winnebago and LTV give on the website. Winnebago is very subtle in their details on the website, so that’s all I have to go by.
But i believe, that is not about research. What you only have are your personal experience with LTV. I suggest that you should have gathered feedback from Winnebago users so that the presentation will be fair, i.e., ‘apple to apple’, not relying on the website.✌️
I’ve had discussions from several LTV owners who were former owners of Views, so I had an idea of the ownership experience. This video is literally just comparing what you get for the $$$$. Bottom line is Winnebago has a weird pricing structure of 35-40% off MSRP of $200k and LTV is more like Tesla in that it costs $168,000 and that’s what you pay (maybe a 4-5% discount from a dealer if they are willing)
I love your channel. But… Respectfully, you do not understand the pricing model of Winnebago. You can capture a far lower discount than a LTV. And your Atlas STARTS at $270k now - so you may think a $180k mark starting price is high, but It’s $90k less than the Atlas. Anyway, the Navion is a great and well priced product. You should try it for real…
Agree, I am just going off of the information on the website. My point was, if there was going to be a $2 in front of the price I would pay for these, it would be the Airstream as the quality and resale would be a better value. But, I'd choose the lower price LTV all day over any of the competitors.
You're spot on Noah. A few years ago, before the RV market went insane, I got my Winnebago for 30% off list. Even now, 20% - 25% discounts are common. You never, ever see that on LTV products. In this case, that $202K W list price would come down to about $150K-$160K after a 25% discount - $10K less than the LTV MSRP - or maybe $5K since some LTV dealers have done a $5K discount over the years. The real difference in the two is in the Quality arena - not price.
Did you clarify what’s in US dollars verses Canadian dollars. Could this have been in Canadian dollars? Or winabago in Canadian dollars and LTV in American dollars, if so that would ,are them essentially the same price in comparable dollars? I think the quiet drive, beautiful sides, and higher quality build is the main difference. I’m willing to pay for a quality and quiet ride, especially given the wind and handling issue and when you throw in the higher rate of resale of LTV it’s a no-brainer.
I love the ltv wonder rear lounge but with a 2-3 year wait and unpredictable costs - no way would I order one right now. I am looking go a little bigger than my storyteller mode -but terrible timing
The difference in the price of "paint color" of the Winnebago is because the free one isn't actually paint. It's dyed fiberglass. I don't know that the price comparison is fair. Winnebago builds in a whole lot of haggling room to their list prices, and you can normally get a very substantial discount. From what I can tell, discount off MSRP on an LTV is a lot smaller. I think your $36K price difference in the real world is more like $15K. (Or maybe I should say the fantasy world where you can actually buy an LTV).
Using MSRP is not a realistic way to compare the purchase option between the two vehicles. A more realistic way is to use OTD (out the door) pricing. LTV's have little to no discounts whereas the Navion will have up to 30% or more off MSRP. Using show prices it is safe to say that a well prepared buyer will most likely save anywhere from $35K to $50K between from the published MSRP. If you are paying cash, then it is a matter of pocket depth to judge the purchase but if you are financing it is a huge difference as that $40K will generate $15K to $20K of additional interest over the life of the loan. All tings being equal, from the money sense point of view the Navion is a better choice. Now, quality wise or finish wise, that is a different question.
Problem is the MSRP game is ridiculous, so if they don’t want to be viewed as to their msrp, they should price accordingly. Resell is actually the key metric. LTVs are still being sold at a premium 3-4 years later. I sold my 2020 for significantly more than I paid new 3 years prior. No way to do that with a Winne. So the best value either way is an LTV for sure
Winnebago, does win the Oscar award though for being able to charge that price with a straight face🤑… the new Winnebago slogan" Winnebago you can buy better but you can’t pay more"
Are longer wait times an indication of quality? I’ve been researching vans for several months. The companies with the longest wait times are coincidentally the ones I DON’T see on the used market. Maybe a long wait means the manufacturing process has integrity.
LTVs are built a bit better, just in the sense they aren't as massed produced as their competition. They build around 1,000 units per year whereas Winnebago will produce 10's of thousands. It's a family owned company as well, so I would imagine a bit more pride and a bit more resolve to do their best on every single unit comes into play as well.
In my experience the way you did MSRP in not fair. I would not pay the MSRP on an RV. I would offer 20% off the MSRP or more to a Winnebago dealer and they are very likely to take it.
Excellent comparison. We are seriously looking. Do your two dogs have enough room to move about when traveling and camping ? We have 2 standard Poodles. Thank you so much.
Prior to 2020, Winnebago dealerships business model different than LTV. Winnebago and other RV's discounted 15% to 25% . Our 2017 Navion MSRP BASE price was $116,327. Total options were 24,210. Delivery and handling $1,476. Grand total $142,012. But our paid Cash Price $108,800 from Authorized major Florida Dealer. That is little over 22% discount. LTV's Unity didn't discount so steep. Back then our full body paint $6,440, 3.2 diesel $4,956, large screen infotainment $2,555, collision avoidance $1,050, Truma recirculating $945, and others which we would not be without.
LOL since you want to bring up airstream it is a hell of a lot better than Winnebago if you ask me but between Winnebago and the Leisure Travel Vans I would say that the Winnebago los between the two
All of these are built on the same platform with the same third party RV components. The main difference is Leisure and Airstream are not mass produced so will have a better build quality than the Winnebago. Winnebago produces 10X than AS of LTV, therefore a much lower selling price than LTV or Airstream. LTV has a 3 year wait list while you can walk into a dealer and buy the Winnebago. But they are all great for enjoying RV life.
So I do not have a horse in the race here & I would state that both unity and Winnebago are quality brand motorhomes however the key component that Brandon is missing is the fact that Winnebago discounts from MSRP ( 25-30%) & if Unity does not ; then then the selling price is in Winnebago’s favor using the Brandon’s Msrp on the Navion $202,000 less / we will use 25% = selling price of $151,000 vs Unity selling price of approx. $167,000.* * advantage Winnebago by $16K or take standard paint offering & safe another $ 8K ?? DO YOUR HOMEWORK People -- Matt’s RV reviews typically states the discount offerings
Must admit I'm ignorant of MSRPs for sure. But the fact LTV doesn't have to discount so heavily or play the high MSRP, mega discount game should speak to the brand you should consider first.
Went to Hershey show 2023. Sat extensively in both LTV and Winnebago View. Compared all models, but especially LTV CB vs. 24J. LTV is a wonderful machine and we really liked it, but not for 50K more. Yes More than Winnebago. And in almost all aspects the 24J has more room and Better storage. Yes LTV has lots of great options, but also a 14 month wait time. Really like the Winnebago dinette better and sink outside of bath. This video misses the boat, especially about the $$. and truly it's is a very close choice but I think the Winnebago will win us this time. Maybe if we down size later we will consider LTV again. But it is getting very pricy...
As long as you get a dealer discount, which I assume you will, the View makes a lot of sense. LTVs don't get much or any discount, so prob is more expensive. But Winnie's are priced more on MSRP than LTVs. The resale of the LTV will also be substantially higher, but they do have a wait time.
did you happen to pay attention to which will allow you to carry more cargo weight? The winnebago has a larger fridge, carries a spare, and just looks bulkier but they have light weight cabniets so it makes me wonder.
How do you access the stock equipment on the LTV? I am looking for the stock bathroom cabinet and the aluminum “plate” for the paper towel teal.that is shown in the galleys; strap for the mattress and a new mattress? Any recommendations? OBTW we are placing our dogs in their walking halters with a long house lead attached to the back or side seatbelt while driving. Our dogs are 34 and 45 lbs respectively. Thank you for your quick response.
The Leisure is definitely a better van, but you weren't kidding when you admitted your bias for it, lol. If the Leisure didn't offer a feature, you just ignored that fact, and didn't count it as a negative-which it certainly is! Also, with Leisure, you're pretty much paying full asking price or close to it. The actual transaction price of the Winnebego is significantly lower that the asking price in every circumstance. I'm talking 10's of thousands lower so the out the door price is in fact comparable. Again though, I agree that the Leisure is the better van. I'm just keeping an honest man honest 😀
Winnebago has some crappy roofs, historically. Don't know if quality has changed. What is the roof material difference (edmo/TPO vs fiberglass)? I have not heard of any roof troubles on LTV. Also what kind of underbelly protection is standard on both ? I do wish LTV would go Lithionics (or even Battleborn since that is their vendor of choice) at 300+- ah range- its fits in the same space and gives more lasting power. Does either have a spare tire? I try to look beyond the cosmetic interior and focus on build quality. I am considering a Wonder only because MB doesn't offer a gas choice (diesel + DEF)> gas. Repairs & mtnc > diesel. I have owned Ford P/ups and they last 250K+ miles with proper attention. I worked them to death!
Never heard of a bad LTV roof, so apparently they do offer a better roof. They offer Dragonfly lithium now, which is the mother company of Battleborn. I would never order lithium from factory, as they charge as much for those two battle borns as you can get a Lithionics setup like mine for. As soon as LTV offers Lithionics from factory, that will be a $12,000 option and we do it after market for around $7K.
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The reason they have two names is they sell one to one dealer and the other one to another dealer near them. This way they are a different name at two different dealers.
When I bought mine, the standard discount off msrp was about 5% around the country. Today, with the demand it is probably no discount, and potentially over MSRP. I've been offered more than I paid for my LTV many times.
@@craigfarmer5245 part high demand and part chassis issues. Ford can't provide transits fast enough and MB had a no drive recall. Hopefully they will catch up at some point.
Love the LTV.. biggest negative.. obviously wait time.. but worse.. no dealers anywhere near me (Boston).. Philly is the dealer closest.. that's a full day drive... deal killer..
Dude your crazy. If you add up all the options for both check that out and look at the fact that I would not want the paint job but would take the batteries and solar by far....Not to mention a huge fridge and better shower and more headroom I love both But they are not the same or comparable The LTV is much smaller when you get into both and that is not a bad thing. I depends more on the actual floorplan The murphy bed in a winnabago compared to the murphy bed in a LTV is the choice to compare
Well I think both are over priced. This is a product that will wear out at some point, how long and when is hared to say, but paying that kind of money for a product that continues to lose money the longer you own it is frustrating. That is why we are looking for gently used models, but even those are still high. Maybe I am a penny pincher but those prices are just ridiculous I wonder how long any of these type of motor homes really last before the maintenance to both the chaise and camper shell become to much for the owner to want to continue to put into the maintaining it. Plus the cost to rent camping spots, and increase cost of fuel , along with insurance for the motor home, it is a very expensive way to travel. Don't get me wrong, I would love to own one, they seem like a comfortable easy to travel for long distances, and I also love camping, but I am finding these are just getting out of what I would want to spend right now.
I agree with this, however I changed my thought process once I turned 50 and knew I couldn't take anything with me when I'm gone. So I'm putting more value on experiences and enjoying life while I'm still relatively young, lol.
its exactly the same chassis, so the ride is the same, as is the functioning of it. Your comparison is flawed. You should not have added on the price of the paint as Navion does provide an included paint as does LTV. In the end, it would appear an LTV is less costly. ugly paint options aside.
I don’t like that damn hot that Winnebago has on the top of the car towards the front it’s unnecessary and I hate vehicles that have that it doesn’t need to be a bad up there it’s weird
Don’t feel like I owe LTV any favors, I had to pay full price like everyone else lol. Def better channels for a non biased LTV comparison. I do love the company and the product. Recently sold my Unity for more than I paid for it new three years ago. I would have lost my shirt with a View, so keep resell value in mind as well.
Winnebago is for ignorant people who don't even know the difference because good vs bad build quality. Winnebago sucks in resale value also. It's a non-starter.
We’ve owned our 2021 24D View for a year and love it - just under 20K miles in that first year. Our buying experience netted us about 30% off list price, though we actually walked out the door without buying and the “manager” chased us down in the parking lot to “reluctantly” accept our offer. I know the LTV is a great product too but I think this comparison on MSRP is disingenuous. Buying on features and availability makes more sense.
My argument would be Winnebago is the disingenuous one here. Pricing 30% over what someone could actually purchase for. There will be some that overpay as they don’t know they can negotiate or fail to negotiate low enough.
@@Pagosa That’s what causes me anxiety about a purchase. Not knowing how to negotiate or what starting price to offer, can be the difference of whether I’ll ever be able to get one. I think as a woman, I also put more anxiety on myself because of my previous experiences.
Brandon - I think the reason is that some dealers are only authorized to sell one over the other. Winnebago Industries used to run two dealer networks. In the past, they differentiated the networks by different brands (Winnebago and Itasca) much like Dodge and Chrysler having the same parent company, however nearly all Winnebago dealerships are single-brand dealerships. With two brands, Winnebago was able to have more than one dealership in the same territory.
Through model year 2015, a dealership would offer either a Winnebago View or an Itasca Navion, but not both. Up until this time, there were differences in available options, colors, etc. In 2016, Winnebago Industries dropped the Itasca branding on the exterior and mirrored all available options starting with the 2017 model, though it continues to differentiate the two dealer networks by keeping both the View and Navion model names.
That makes sense. I would think they would merge them at some point, not just for more efficient manufacturing and marketing, but customer clarity
The dealerships are often privately owned, and or independently operated, so that’s not an option in some areas.
We ordered LTV Unity Rear Lounge before the pandemic, but cancelled the order when LTV built our rig WITHOUT the Sprinter upgrades of the 2019 chassis. We were told they had to build on whatever was available during the MB shortage of 2020. That’s fine but they should have informed us of the change to the build. We cancelled our order and bought the 2020 Winnebago Navion 24d instead. While you are correct the MSRP was higher, we paid much less due to dealer discount. LTV, like Tesla, does not discount their MSRP advertised online. I was fortunate in that dealers were in competition and drastically discounting rigs before the pandemic, which may no longer be the case. We love our Winnebago Navion, but I admit the quality of the LTV build is excellent (I’m just still upset with their business practices).
That’s crazy. The new chassis is so important so glad you got the Navion with it. Congrats and happy travels!
You are absolutely correct about the MSRP comparison between the Winnebago navion / View. I'm a owner of a 2021 Winnebago View 24d. I made the purchase in Connecticut at the one-and-only Winnebago dealership Crawley RV.
MSRP was one approximately 180 k
My purchase price was 132K plus tax and registration.
Fretz RV in Pennsylvania indicated an 18-month wait and paying full MSRP for the Unity FX. In this case the unity (which was my first choice) turns out not the better Value Plus a long wait time.
That's amazing you were able to get your coach for a great price and shorter wait time. It's all about the now! Either one will be a really fun experience, so glad you get to enjoy it sooner rather than later.
I find it absolutely ridiculous that the purchase price can differ from the MSRP by almost $50,000 (25%). As Brandon says, that's highly disingenuous of Winnebago. The only possible goal would be to gouge the uninformed or inexperienced shoppers.
@@christophercharles3169 how true- that is the world we live in- you don’t ask, you don’t get
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I talked to a dealer here, and LTV dealers generally are giving 5% off MSRP. My neighbors just bought a Navion and got it for $145K after discounts.
I assume the winnie will have a deeper discount, but in this market they may not have to if they have availability
Keep the Navion.
We just offered a dealer $10
K under for a used Unity FX and they took it! Market may be cooling with inflation and interest rates up.
Great job! LTV is my choice. After a walk thru on the Winnie. The quality sucks. Lots of staples. One thing you didn't mention is the resale value on a used one . LTV is lot higher than the Winnie. So the cost of ownership is lower ..
Yes, LTV brand is more of a "Harley Davidson" type category for resale and quality.
Same we looked at them all and LTV wins hands down!
Winnebago dealers normally discount much greater than LTV. Net price on Winnebago is normally less than LTV.
Yes. Absolutely.
Ok, how much less . . . shoot us some numbers, if you can't then your comment is COMPLETELY irrelevant
@@danielwatts9803 a lot less Daniel. It isn’t an irrelevant comment, and you can shop for one yourself to see. The LTV pricing model is closer to their floor than Winnebago. One call to General RV and you will understand…
Daniel…..I’ve owned booth a LTV and Winnebago. Prior to Covid-19 them normal Winnebago discount was 33% where LTV might be $5-$10k. Their list pricing, marketing and discounts are completely different. Yes, you need to do your own research rather than putting down a comment.
The big winner with the winnebago is the fact you could actually get one in less than a year. But the pricing system is pretty ridiculous in my opinion.
Brandon, the Navion includes Alcoa aluminum wheels and keyless fob as standard, both options with LTV.
I thought they probably would since it wasn't an option. Enjoy your travels!
you should have left off the optional paint job on the Navion, which artificially boosted the price by $8200since LTV doesn't charge for their colours AND there was an option for a paint scheme that was included on the Navion. Not that $8200 was going to make it equal by any means. The Navion is the name of the same unit when Winnebago had its 'upscale' division of 'Itasca'. I have owned an Itasca Navion and an LTV. The Itasca had more living space, better layout, better bathroom area. The LTV has nicer finishings, better more solid feel to it. Both drive very well. I liked the storage of the overhead 'bunk' area in the Navion, which is what I used it for ultimately. It can hold a lot. I found the lack of storage in the LTV very challenging for longer trips, or summer live-aboards. My LTV was also an FX, btw. Thanks, I have just found your 'channel', and have enjoyed each of the vlogs I have viewed of yours.
Thanks for watching, glad you found the channel. If I remember correctly, the free paint scheme were stickers, so I wanted to compare apples to apples with a full body paint.
Very interesting. The house of the LTV is totally different and aesthetically more pleasant, more insulation and better soundproofing for the LTV (even the underbelly), much higher quality and better finish overall for the LTV. Winnebago's workmanship is botched, etc. The perhaps only plus for Winnebago is the double pane acrylic windows option. Winnebago is not worthed the monétaire AT ALL.
Agree!
Hands down, LTV is more beautifully made, has better resale, better gas mileage, and better floor plans than Navion! Hate the Navion bathroom-love the LTV separate shower room, potty in twin version. And the Navion privacy curtain? Uggggggg. Love, love, love the door divider in LTV that actually gives you real privacy. The coach is just more classy, innovative and well made all around. The wait is worth the differences!
The innovation is what caught my eye in the first place with LTV and can't imagine any other brand in this category.
@@Pagosa I almost bought a new Navion almost 2 years ago. Then I had the wonderful opportunity to not only see an LTV RTB, but drive one! It was just a no brainer after that. Decided to wait. The difference was enormous. In every way. Supposed to take delivery of my new coach Nov 19! Woo hoo! Love your videos--wish you would do more!
If you like space inside your coach there is no caparison to the Navion 24D. You have about twice the counter space and drawer space. I can have the Murphy bed down and move about very nicely. I do agree that the OCCC is limited. I just don't fill my water tank until I reach my destination. Yes it is a bit inconvenient, but when inside it feels like home.
They do have a lot of room for sure
Navion is a legacy RV from Itasca. Winnebago dropped the Itasca line but continued the Navion.
It was like a Winnebago Tour & Itasca Elllipse.
The Itasca line was a higher end RV. Slightly better interior.
But now it’s gone.
Comparing a no slide B+ to a Slide B+. You need to state the square footage of living space you are paying for. My guess is the Navion is about 20-30 more.
So more $$$
Yes, but the slide versions of the LTV are only a couple of thousand dollars more, so basically negligible
All depends.
5% off MSRP vs maybe 35% of MSRP changes the game.
Back in 2020, Pre-COVID, I got 40% off MSRP from Winnebago. So it really all depends.
22 yrs of RV and 4 new motorhome purchased I think it all depends on the state of the business and incentives available from the manufacturer.
I am with you on the obnoxious and costly paint job on the Winnie!
absolutely
I bought a Navion in 2021 and if I had it to do over again I would buy a Class C motorhome that uses the Ford E450 as its platform. My 2021 Navion has a OCCC of only 886 lbs for the people inside, any gear, food, water, etc. and the reality is that simply having the holding tanks full would not allow for the weight of a driver. The Ford E450 cab chassis has a GVWR that is 3,470 lbs greater than that of the Mercedes Sprinter 3500 cab chassis that Winnebago and Leisure Travel Vans both use.
Wow, that's crazy it's that low. My full option LTV has 1552 pounds, which is plenty for us, and some folks that don't have levelers and other options have close to 2000 pounds.
I think real price it’s much lower tha MRSP in Winnebago than LTV, check some dealers you will see it too
I would imagine so, but the starting price on the website for anyone familiar with LTV would have me clicking away fast!
Man what is crazy is the Winnebago models now start at almost 13k more than when you posted this video 8 months ago
Really? That's insane!
The difference between the View and the Navion is that the Navion is an Itasca product and the View is a Winnebago product. However they come off the same assembly line. I asked that question why have both when we bought our View Profile back in 2013 and the answer I got is they both have their followings. Some people want the Itasca and some people want the View. Kind of like Johnson and Evinrude outboard motors. The only difference is the paint and covers.
makes sense. Just seems like an accounting, marketing and manufacturing nightmare to keep both names for the same product.
@@Pagosa That is what I think too, but they seem to think there is enough of a following to provide both models.
I am in the market for a sprinter class C and even though I love the LTV the price isn't even close. I am pricing a navion 24D almost fully loaded ( less theater seating) at 158K and I can buy one off the lot now. LTV comes in at 196K for the same basic unit and the wait is still over a year. I have to say I'm impressed with the quality of the navion as the cabinets and the seating are some of the best I have seen. I have never been inside a LTV but I have no doubt they are very high quality but with the price difference and the wait my money will be going towards the navion.
Don't blame you a bit. Navion is great as well and you can get out there now.
If competing dealerships in larger cities both offer Winnebago units, one gets the View and the other the Navion. Just trying to pull the buyers wool over their eyes. Both are 100% built the same. Can't wait for you to review the Tiffin Wayfarer. We decided a seven month wait we can do, Leisure's three year wait is not for us old folks. The Tiffin Wayfarer has the quiet diesel generator, big foot levelling jacks, aluwheels and Sumo springs ride assist standard.
I like the Wayfarer too
I look forward to reviewing the Tiffin. I was fortunate to have Bob Tiffin himself show me the wayfarer last year, however ordered the LTV the same day. The Tiffin is very nice.
Wayfarer has very low OCCC and quality not at LTV level.
I’ve had a chance to sit in a Wayfarer and I was impressed what you get for the $$. Well worth the price in 2021
Dude! Did you see how much the Unity base price went up for 2022? Holy cow! I just did a build and price and it was $209K with options.
Was this $209k Canadian?
@@Pagosa must have been. now it's back to regular. Didn't know they had 2 sites.
Thank you very much for taking the time to research all these details. These side by side comparisons really help. Looking for a video of the comparison to the Airstream you mentioned.
Thanks! I have the Airstream Atlas video on my channel, so just jump over there and you can find it.
We have a 2017 24J with all options but auto leveling. We love the Navion. That said, our 1st choice was the Unity. Did not buy because hard to find and OCCC.
Interesting. What’s the OCCC on your 24d?
@@Pagosa My 2017 Navion 24J OCCC 1,239 LB with factory solar, inverter, Tvs, stabilizers, Onan diesel generator, upgraded Jensen sys, Truma, 15k ac heat pump... basically all upgrades except auto leveling since I wanted to keep that weight off. As I recall, that year LTV was about 200lb less with comparable upgrades. I still think the LTV UNITY leads the industry...the Wonder pioneered the rear open garage. I looked at Tiffin when they introduced class C, OCCC was around 780lb!! Don't know if they figured out they weren't building a class A yet. Their OCCC I believe unsafe on the roads.
You didn’t mention the construction of the house. I think the Leisure van is more solidly constructed with better insulation and under carriage protection than the Winnebago.
I would imagine so
The 8K paint upgrade is full body paint. The standard is partial paint partial stickers.
That is insane for sure.
I really like what you're doing and the info you give us. Here in Canada they also have gone up by about $40,000 since COVID hit. Very sad because of that I will not be able to afford one.
They have gone up substantially since I purchased as well
Interesting comparison. I have been longing for a LTV for several years which is why I am here in the first place but have been looking at the Winnebago 24D. The large slide is appealing, the extra sleeping capacity in both the dinette and over cab area would be nice to have. The larger holding tanks, much bigger awning by something like 4 feet in length, larger 12V fridge, induction/ gas combo cook top and large windows on both sides of the coach. These are all in the Winnies favor. A larger dealer network helps too. And I suspect there might be some haggle room on price vs LTV. The Winnie also has the rear ladder and keyless entry, Alcoa wheels as standard and can likely be had much sooner. Have to agree on color options, overall looks for the LTV. And the LTV has the multiplexing system which is a nice to have. I suspect the LTV is likely the one but worth a look at the competition for sure. Thanks for the review.
The Winnie def has some things I wish LTV would include. Good luck on your purchase and either one you get you will love and have great experiences.
Livability of the 24V is so much larger than my Unity Murphy Bed. Huge deep slide, very tall ceilings, long galley, sleeps six, big basement storage height, but realistically, with 1100lbs. of OCCC, you are really limited on who/what you can bring and that deep slide needs to be put to use the coach.
@@SSVHD That's the issue with many of these. Bigger and meant for more people / stuff, but then can't handle the weight.
I'll pay more! The winnebago Navion 24 D is absolutely beautiful inside and out!.
Great MH, and available immediately. Can't beat that.
The Winnie models are family friendly, LTV’s are two person coaches. LTV can’t compete as a typical family C-class, and that’s a big reason we bought a Unity, no kids!
Yeah! Great excuse not to take anyone else!
With these prices I like the Winnebago Voyager at around $35,000 . Much larger tanks and carrying capacity of almost 4,000 lbs. !
The E450 coaches can carry quite a bit more
This is the Voyager trailer not a complete rv unit .
Nice video!! The 24V does come standard with macerated, so you would have to add option on LTV. The View/Navion can be ordered and delivery 6-12 months at 25% off msrp. LTV ordered is 24 months delivery. Do you pay msrp for a LTV or is it discounted, how much?
Ah, thanks for the info. Pre pandemic, the LTV discount was about 5% off msrp average around the country. Now, I would be afraid it could be "market value", being even more than MSRP like the auto industry is doing.
When we bought a 2021 Navion in August the wait time for a Leisure Travel Van was estimated at 18 months and the company was not taking new orders for the next 12 months.
The one topic that I haven't been to find. What is the insurance payment on one of these RVs?
My 2020 LTV is only $800 / year with Gieco, so not bad at all
Great comparison!!!! Another check mark in the LTV column!!!!
Thanks! And yes!
As i noticed, your presentation lacks the details about the Winnebago models but you tend in the end of comparison to conclude already. I suggest that to be fair, you should have conducted thorough research.
These comparisons were going off information Winnebago and LTV give on the website. Winnebago is very subtle in their details on the website, so that’s all I have to go by.
But i believe, that is not about research. What you only have are your personal experience with LTV. I suggest that you should have gathered feedback from Winnebago users so that the presentation will be fair, i.e., ‘apple to apple’, not relying on the website.✌️
I’ve had discussions from several LTV owners who were former owners of Views, so I had an idea of the ownership experience. This video is literally just comparing what you get for the $$$$. Bottom line is Winnebago has a weird pricing structure of 35-40% off MSRP of $200k and LTV is more like Tesla in that it costs $168,000 and that’s what you pay (maybe a 4-5% discount from a dealer if they are willing)
LOVE YOUR COMMENTS VERY FUNNY AND SO RIGHT.
Haha, thanks!
I love your channel. But… Respectfully, you do not understand the pricing model of Winnebago. You can capture a far lower discount than a LTV. And your Atlas STARTS at $270k now - so you may think a $180k mark starting price is high, but
It’s $90k less than the Atlas. Anyway, the Navion is a great and well priced product. You should try it for real…
Agree, I am just going off of the information on the website. My point was, if there was going to be a $2 in front of the price I would pay for these, it would be the Airstream as the quality and resale would be a better value. But, I'd choose the lower price LTV all day over any of the competitors.
You're spot on Noah. A few years ago, before the RV market went insane, I got my Winnebago for 30% off list. Even now, 20% - 25% discounts are common. You never, ever see that on LTV products. In this case, that $202K W list price would come down to about $150K-$160K after a 25% discount - $10K less than the LTV MSRP - or maybe $5K since some LTV dealers have done a $5K discount over the years. The real difference in the two is in the Quality arena - not price.
Did you clarify what’s in US dollars verses Canadian dollars. Could this have been in Canadian dollars? Or winabago in Canadian dollars and LTV in American dollars, if so that would ,are them essentially the same price in comparable dollars? I think the quiet drive, beautiful sides, and higher quality build is the main difference. I’m willing to pay for a quality and quiet ride, especially given the wind and handling issue and when you throw in the higher rate of resale of LTV it’s a no-brainer.
I believe it was all American. The LTV has gone up significantly since this video
I love the ltv wonder rear lounge but with a 2-3 year wait and unpredictable costs - no way would I order one right now. I am looking go a little bigger than my storyteller mode -but terrible timing
I think prices and wait times will come down a bit
The difference in the price of "paint color" of the Winnebago is because the free one isn't actually paint. It's dyed fiberglass.
I don't know that the price comparison is fair. Winnebago builds in a whole lot of haggling room to their list prices, and you can normally get a very substantial discount. From what I can tell, discount off MSRP on an LTV is a lot smaller. I think your $36K price difference in the real world is more like $15K. (Or maybe I should say the fantasy world where you can actually buy an LTV).
LTVs are becoming more available, but the discounts are non existent still I do believe
Using MSRP is not a realistic way to compare the purchase option between the two vehicles. A more realistic way is to use OTD (out the door) pricing. LTV's have little to no discounts whereas the Navion will have up to 30% or more off MSRP.
Using show prices it is safe to say that a well prepared buyer will most likely save anywhere from $35K to $50K between from the published MSRP. If you are paying cash, then it is a matter of pocket depth to judge the purchase but if you are financing it is a huge difference as that $40K will generate $15K to $20K of additional interest over the life of the loan.
All tings being equal, from the money sense point of view the Navion is a better choice. Now, quality wise or finish wise, that is a different question.
Problem is the MSRP game is ridiculous, so if they don’t want to be viewed as to their msrp, they should price accordingly. Resell is actually the key metric. LTVs are still being sold at a premium 3-4 years later. I sold my 2020 for significantly more than I paid new 3 years prior. No way to do that with a Winne. So the best value either way is an LTV for sure
Winnebago, does win the Oscar award though for being able to charge that price with a straight face🤑… the new Winnebago slogan" Winnebago you can buy better but you can’t pay more"
Haha
Are longer wait times an indication of quality? I’ve been researching vans for several months. The companies with the longest wait times are coincidentally the ones I DON’T see on the used market. Maybe a long wait means the manufacturing process has integrity.
LTVs are built a bit better, just in the sense they aren't as massed produced as their competition. They build around 1,000 units per year whereas Winnebago will produce 10's of thousands. It's a family owned company as well, so I would imagine a bit more pride and a bit more resolve to do their best on every single unit comes into play as well.
In my experience the way you did MSRP in not fair. I would not pay the MSRP on an RV. I would offer 20% off the MSRP or more to a Winnebago dealer and they are very likely to take it.
Agree with the Winnebago. Leisure Travel Vans and airstream are usually MSRP and sometimes above at this point.
Excellent comparison. We are seriously looking. Do your two dogs have enough room to move about when traveling and camping ? We have 2 standard Poodles. Thank you so much.
Our dogs love the Leisure Travel Van. they have plenty of room
Prior to 2020, Winnebago dealerships business model different than LTV. Winnebago and other RV's discounted 15% to 25% . Our 2017 Navion MSRP BASE price was $116,327. Total options were 24,210. Delivery and handling $1,476. Grand total $142,012. But our paid Cash Price $108,800 from Authorized major Florida Dealer. That is little over 22% discount. LTV's Unity didn't discount so steep. Back then our full body paint $6,440, 3.2 diesel $4,956, large screen infotainment $2,555, collision avoidance $1,050, Truma recirculating $945, and others which we would not be without.
That's great price. Those days are over for sure
Thank you for this!
Glad it was helpful!
LOL since you want to bring up airstream it is a hell of a lot better than Winnebago if you ask me but between Winnebago and the Leisure Travel Vans I would say that the Winnebago los between the two
All of these are built on the same platform with the same third party RV components. The main difference is Leisure and Airstream are not mass produced so will have a better build quality than the Winnebago. Winnebago produces 10X than AS of LTV, therefore a much lower selling price than LTV or Airstream. LTV has a 3 year wait list while you can walk into a dealer and buy the Winnebago. But they are all great for enjoying RV life.
Did you mention that the Winnebago Navion is close to a foot longer - which is a big difference when space is limited.
The Winnie is 25’6” and LTV is 25’1”. So I can’t imagine you would notice the 5” difference in livability length wise.
@@Pagosa You’re right. Not sure where I got the 24+”.
So I do not have a horse in the race here & I would state that both unity and Winnebago are quality brand motorhomes however the key component that Brandon is missing is the fact that Winnebago discounts from MSRP ( 25-30%) & if Unity does not ; then then the selling price is in Winnebago’s favor using the Brandon’s Msrp on the Navion $202,000 less / we will use 25% = selling price of $151,000 vs Unity selling price of approx. $167,000.* * advantage Winnebago by $16K or take standard paint offering & safe another $ 8K ??
DO YOUR HOMEWORK People -- Matt’s RV reviews typically states the discount offerings
Must admit I'm ignorant of MSRPs for sure. But the fact LTV doesn't have to discount so heavily or play the high MSRP, mega discount game should speak to the brand you should consider first.
Went to Hershey show 2023. Sat extensively in both LTV and Winnebago View. Compared all models, but especially LTV CB vs. 24J. LTV is a wonderful machine and we really liked it, but not for 50K more. Yes More than Winnebago. And in almost all aspects the 24J has more room and Better storage. Yes LTV has lots of great options, but also a 14 month wait time. Really like the Winnebago dinette better and sink outside of bath. This video misses the boat, especially about the $$. and truly it's is a very close choice but I think the Winnebago will win us this time. Maybe if we down size later we will consider LTV again. But it is getting very pricy...
As long as you get a dealer discount, which I assume you will, the View makes a lot of sense. LTVs don't get much or any discount, so prob is more expensive. But Winnie's are priced more on MSRP than LTVs. The resale of the LTV will also be substantially higher, but they do have a wait time.
did you happen to pay attention to which will allow you to carry more cargo weight? The winnebago has a larger fridge, carries a spare, and just looks bulkier but they have light weight cabniets so it makes me wonder.
How do you access the stock equipment on the LTV? I am looking for the stock bathroom cabinet and the aluminum “plate” for the paper towel teal.that is shown in the galleys; strap for the mattress and a new mattress? Any recommendations? OBTW we are placing our dogs in their walking halters with a long house lead attached to the back or side seatbelt while driving. Our dogs are 34 and 45 lbs respectively. Thank you for your quick response.
You can call the parts department at Triple E / LTV and I'm sure you can get them there.
I just don't like the looks of the Winnebago but curious how it holds up compared to LTV as one uses it for a while. After purchase, so to speak.
I think it has good quality. They mass produce them, many more units going through the line than LTV, so bound to be some worker mistakes.
Thanks for making the price/value comparison b/t the Wennabago and leisure RVs; Leisure is my choice.
Good choice!
Brandon, if I hear you correctly, your FX (with slideout) has approx 1500 lbs of OCCC?
Yes, 1,502.
Apples and Oranges. So much more living space in the Navion. Way better floor plans. I would pay for more room.
It’s a good product
The Leisure is definitely a better van, but you weren't kidding when you admitted your bias for it, lol.
If the Leisure didn't offer a feature, you just ignored that fact, and didn't count it as a negative-which it certainly is! Also, with Leisure, you're pretty much paying full asking price or close to it. The actual transaction price of the Winnebego is significantly lower that the asking price in every circumstance. I'm talking 10's of thousands lower so the out the door price is in fact comparable.
Again though, I agree that the Leisure is the better van. I'm just keeping an honest man honest 😀
Haha, for sure. thanks for watching
Winnebago has some crappy roofs, historically. Don't know if quality has changed. What is the roof material difference (edmo/TPO vs fiberglass)? I have not heard of any roof troubles on LTV. Also what kind of underbelly protection is standard on both ? I do wish LTV would go Lithionics (or even Battleborn since that is their vendor of choice) at 300+- ah range- its fits in the same space and gives more lasting power. Does either have a spare tire? I try to look beyond the cosmetic interior and focus on build quality. I am considering a Wonder only because MB doesn't offer a gas choice (diesel + DEF)> gas. Repairs & mtnc > diesel. I have owned Ford P/ups and they last 250K+ miles with proper attention. I worked them to death!
Never heard of a bad LTV roof, so apparently they do offer a better roof. They offer Dragonfly lithium now, which is the mother company of Battleborn. I would never order lithium from factory, as they charge as much for those two battle borns as you can get a Lithionics setup like mine for. As soon as LTV offers Lithionics from factory, that will be a $12,000 option and we do it after market for around $7K.
A little reminder : that you are doing amazing I'm so proud of you, keep going, you can reach your goals, you are a strong, amazing and a beautiful person keep it up champ
Why, thanks!
The reason they have two names is they sell one to one dealer and the other one to another dealer near them. This way they are a different name at two different dealers.
interesting
Brandon - do you plan to do a similar comparison on Regency's Ultra Brougham models?
I have actually seen one of those. I'll check it out for sure
Can you make a video how to negotiate a unity after build the van online?
When I bought mine, the standard discount off msrp was about 5% around the country. Today, with the demand it is probably no discount, and potentially over MSRP. I've been offered more than I paid for my LTV many times.
How much discount from manufacturer price can one negotiate on these vans?
I have just read the thread and have had my question answered.
Great!
How long are the wait times on the ltv’s?
about 2 years
@@Pagosa oh wow 😮
@@craigfarmer5245 part high demand and part chassis issues. Ford can't provide transits fast enough and MB had a no drive recall. Hopefully they will catch up at some point.
Wish leisure had a slide so they would not feel so cramped.
Many Leisure floorpans have slides such as the MB, CB, FX and MBL
Love the LTV.. biggest negative.. obviously wait time.. but worse.. no dealers anywhere near me (Boston).. Philly is the dealer closest.. that's a full day drive... deal killer..
Yeah, that’s a bummer for sure
Dude your crazy. If you add up all the options for both check that out and look at the fact that I would not want the paint job but would take the batteries and solar by far....Not to mention a huge fridge and better shower and more headroom I love both But they are not the same or comparable The LTV is much smaller when you get into both and that is not a bad thing. I depends more on the actual floorplan The murphy bed in a winnabago compared to the murphy bed in a LTV is the choice to compare
You can get the Winne for about $50k less than the LTV, so seems a good value.
Island bed doesent look available anymore
I heard it was being discontinued, but it’s still on the website, so assume you could still get one
Well I think both are over priced. This is a product that will wear out at some point, how long and when is hared to say, but paying that kind of money for a product that continues to lose money the longer you own it is frustrating. That is why we are looking for gently used models, but even those are still high. Maybe I am a penny pincher but those prices are just ridiculous I wonder how long any of these type of motor homes really last before the maintenance to both the chaise and camper shell become to much for the owner to want to continue to put into the maintaining it. Plus the cost to rent camping spots, and increase cost of fuel , along with insurance for the motor home, it is a very expensive way to travel. Don't get me wrong, I would love to own one, they seem like a comfortable easy to travel for long distances, and I also love camping, but I am finding these are just getting out of what I would want to spend right now.
I agree with this, however I changed my thought process once I turned 50 and knew I couldn't take anything with me when I'm gone. So I'm putting more value on experiences and enjoying life while I'm still relatively young, lol.
its exactly the same chassis, so the ride is the same, as is the functioning of it. Your comparison is flawed. You should not have added on the price of the paint as Navion does provide an included paint as does LTV. In the end, it would appear an LTV is less costly. ugly paint options aside.
The included paint is a sticker, so apples to apples the view is way overpriced if you don’t get the 30% discount
Just because they have more options for paint doesn't mean that it's free. They don't give you a choice to save the $8,000.
true
I don’t like that damn hot that Winnebago has on the top of the car towards the front it’s unnecessary and I hate vehicles that have that it doesn’t need to be a bad up there it’s weird
And horrible aerodynamics
all winnebago view always sell at 30% off so take 60,000 off that. puts it less than LEISURE.
NOT HARDLY ANY DISCOUNT ON LEISURE..
No discounts on Leisure for the time being. I was lucky and bought early 2020
What’s with the mic in your face
It's to record my voice
Prices have changed a lot at Leisure Travel Vans.
Yes, they have for sure.
Too biased of a comparison. I just want the facts and I’ll make the decision. Your not doing LTV a favor by being so 1 sided.
Don’t feel like I owe LTV any favors, I had to pay full price like everyone else lol. Def better channels for a non biased LTV comparison. I do love the company and the product. Recently sold my Unity for more than I paid for it new three years ago. I would have lost my shirt with a View, so keep resell value in mind as well.
Leisure way more expensive now..
Yep
Winnebago uses different name just for marketing purposes only!
Really interesting and seems like an accounting, marketing and overall nightmare.
Winnebago is for ignorant people who don't even know the difference because good vs bad build quality. Winnebago sucks in resale value also. It's a non-starter.
The resale is not ideal for sure
Nice Thanks !!!! Let’s go Brandon FJB
Lol