Greg Doucette Defends ATHLEAN X Fake Weights
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- Recently Jeff Cavaliere of ATHLEAN-X has been caught using fake weights and he has faked several lifts including a bench press, deadlift, barbell curls and many others. However rather than facing harsh criticism for this many are coming to his defense to excuse this deceptive behavior including Greg Doucette who claims this isn't a big deal and Jeff is not being any more dishonest than practically anyone else in the fitness industry. In this video I explain why what Jeff has done is inexcusable and he needs to be held accountable.
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How using fake weights is KILLING your GAINS! And they really are lol
As ripped as he is, I did not expect Gilbert Gottfried
Hilarious
Ded
😆🤦🏾♂️🤣
haha AND he has kind of a similar face! 10/10
I was confused with this comment and then got to that point in the video and my mind was effed 😂🤣
This guy sounds like the parrot from Aladdin
Lmao I thought that too.
Overused joke. Be original.
Fuuuuq🤦🏾♂️🤣🤣🤣
He's entertaining but also super informative
Funny because even Greg pokes himself about that too lol
No reason for anyone to use fake weights. Tired of people rationalizing deception.
How can you trust the info when he applies that info with fake weight? It's like someone teaching you how to drive without actually driving.
@bitterman co Lying, cheating, thievery, etc. all of these things are bad and shouldn't be ignored, regardless of who's doing it (in this case Jeff Cavalier).
I was all okay with the fake plates for visuals until he said 500lbs deadlift. It's like god wanted him to say it. So everyone know he is lying plus claiming numbers.
Jeff needs some real weights on leg day.
Lmao. Did you also notice how he said "touching sorta almost 500 pounds", on the deadlift. Busted lmaoo
@@Vegeta68041 almost sorta fulla shit!
Jeff's legs aren't exactly lagging
@@gavinrussell9997 His calves are silly little sticks.
Gavin Russell Why do you think Jeff wears pants in 95% of his vids??
Vegan you faked having a good physique for years, when will you be held accountable?
Lmao Im Ded!
🤣🤣🤣facts
Ty for your comment , you made my day.
That picture is back when he competed he’s said he doesn’t want to get that shredded again so he just chillin at a higher body fat
Fax tho
It would've been defendible if he didn't claim that deadlift
I agree until i saw that part I was actually gonna give Jeff the benefit of the doubt but yeah.
yeah, thats why im not entirely sure if greg even saw the deadlift, maybe if he did then he wouldn't defend it, or maybe not i dunno
@@familyguyfunnymoment Nah, he most likely did. He's just defending Jeff because he's most likely a paid shill for him now. EDDF talks good about him in his response video and then Greg comes up and comments something positive - basically grown up men sucking each other off just to defend another guy. Genuinely sad.
@Joe Blow agreed! The weight is not completely out of the realm of possibility, especially if it is fresh
@unknowning unknown of course not everyone can do it. I'd believe that someone who trains every day like Jeff could. It's not some world record deadlift, he did it twice, while talking about how you shouldn't lift heavy for pride. I don't think he usually does that, but if he is fresh and only doing it for one or two reps, it's not out of the realm of possibility
I saw Greg's video, I was surprised when his response was literally: "Yes he uses fake weights, who cares lol no biggie".
Bruh greg doucette is in plenty men fitness magazine where he had to use fake weights for shootings ofcourse it doesn't shock him, he has a intelligent brain and knows how marketing works unlike vegan gains who doesn't understand common business.
@@bob-uj4vn Your comment is edited, why does it still read like shit?
Kenny Xie uhhh because this isn’t a bullshit men’s fitness magazine. He acts as if he has top integrity and it has been shown he is willing to lie about little things so why not lie about big things. It was clearly to boast the channel. He did it deceptively to make himself appear more impressive so amateur lifters would take his advice which in turn helped his channel grow. Why don’t you understand ethics?
@@robbaldwin2402 maybe because americans don't understand that there are other humans living in different countries.
It really isn't a big deal for people who follow Jeff for information rather than to satisfy some weird ass desires of someone who's lifting heavy for their weight, size and age. I mean, come on guys!
I’m an athleanX fan, but there’s no need to use fake weight for demonstration purposes
It was not for demonstration purposes. He was bragging about the weight he can lift and now it backfired.
Marcin Michalski When did he brag?
NP Carnivore Friend. All fitness people do this
Julian Davis no they dont.
Jakob Not all fitness people use fake weights for pictures or photo shoots?
I don't understand why he can't lift light when he explains the techniques/form instead of using fake weights. I don't care how much you lift in an instruction video, I just want to understand and do the movement with the proper form and I think no one would care either.
He is a gimmick salesman aka "strenght coach". Showcasing strenght even when he is only explaining form is part of the gimmick.
It's marketing so noobs think he's more awesome than he is.
IKR a lot of technique demonstration videos I've seen only use the bar or very light weights and that's a good thing. It's about technique not showing off
@The Contrarian they deflect by saying he helped them and the rest of the information is good
@@DivineAtheistWannabe Even that is false. Jeff preaches breathing out before squat descent, doing partial reps on the bench, and dangerous routines like doing 10x10 squats @80%1RM with 1 minute rest in between sets. Just a big deceptive snake oil salesman.
They're all too afraid to criticize the Godfather of YT Fitness & lose their paycheck
But Greg did criticise him in his video, just didn't fully hate on the guy for it that much.
@@benpotter6832 Lmao stop defending Greg as well. He's a fucking weasel as well. I know he's very likeable rn, but remember this is a guy who has already scammed people in the past over steroids, lied about his own use in a competition, and even more recently, told Mike Israetel in DMs that he doesn't care for the viewers, just cares about more subs and money - similar to what Jeff does. The difference between Greg and Jeff is that Greg actually knows shit about strength training because despite all his flaws, he's still one of the strongest powerlifters ever.
@Beetlejuice Lol. I've seen Greg on numerous small random youtube fitness channels who have made videos criticizing him. E.g. there's a channel called "Brains and Gains" who interviewed Mike after that whole fiasco and Greg left a whole bunch of comments which sounded like they were written by a whiny 12 yr old.
@@AnindyaMahajan where did you see the dm? I want to see it
Because Athlean X hands out paychecks right
Tbh, Greg wasn't defending him, it was more like acceptance
Sounded like defending to me.
Joe Blow ahahaha
@@cynicalidealist11 Ouch. Just replied to you in a whole f-ing paragraph and accidentally shut off my phone (Stupid me), But Jeff's videos were quite old and not everyone would just go"Whoa that's a big lift I'm gonna buy his programs." Also, Greg doesn't give a sh!t about this because he gets 420% more revenue than Jeff from his anabolic cookbook. I mean, this is complicated. Greg is someone with a large following. Defending him would be saying something like this in this case: "Jeff didn't lift fake weights", instead of just letting it go, because the opposition was Jeff lifts fake weights and Greg agrees. Alright?
Eric Nie cope
@Joe Blow I'm not subscribed to him because hes vegan. #meatlovers
if he's demoing lifts, then he can just use the bars with no plates.
Exactly
Whoa.....mind blown.
Fax
That's not true. You want the bar to start at the proper height.
@@mitchellsteindler Then use 135. No need to fake having 495 on the bar
Fake weight matter especially if you're selling a product.
So his credibility apart from the fake weights accounts for nothing? Idiot...
#FakeWeightsMatter
Try making a Video while lifting ton of weight. It takes your breath like Keanu Reeves. So for me it does not matter.
You literally just have to look at the before and after of a lot of his clients, Sheamus? Jinder Mahal? How does that take away from his credibility?
@The Contrarian Can you prove they're on juice? I'll accept any piece of hard evidence you have.
Sounds like hes pretending to defend him but tearing him to pieces lol
Lmfao Right! 😂
Exactly
JustSomeDude-Gaming I got the impression that Greg was trying to avoid pissing off Jeff's army - but Greg's made another video where he does tear Jeff to pieces ("What Else Does Jeff Cavalier Lie About?"), so it looks like you were right.
Greg just redeemed him self, this video is pretty irrelevant at this point, he was misinformed didn't have all the info.
My Doctor is only wrong, 0.7% of the time!
when will you people learn that he isnt a doctor
@@connorgoins6074 Are you stupid, no seriously. He says in almost every video that he isn't a doctor, its joke by the fans to call him a doctor, seriously have you watched any of his videos and comments.
Yehhyh baby Nikki
Hmmm I’m sorry but no way he didn’t defend him at all , he basically said he doesn’t care enough about the situation and that it should be clear to anyone he is faking his lifts
Vegan Gains is emotional about the whole thing lmao.
Ikr? Why's he mad about other people trying to steal money from idiots who think Jeff is actually benching 3 plates?
Yeah.. a little weird but maybe he’s just passionate about the subject
He's a passionate person. Passionate people are successful when they have so.ethimg productive to direct their energy towards. You guys only criticize that part of him because you can't refute his arguments, & that's painfully obvious to most of us.
@@Tyrosine0910 They never said vegan gains was wrong, just that he cared too much about the issue
Anindya Mahajan Same reason you're writing a comment about it. Because you can.
While I do agree that Vegan Gains is right, I feel like u hate a lil too much
Agreed
He's a hater
Seriously salty.
I love greg but damn I was disappointed with his video
This is his MO lol
It’s pretty obvious Jeff is a business man, marketing advertisement etc
It’s like marketing phenomenal looking food in advertisements, but it doesn’t look the same when you get it
Jeff benefits from people thinking he’s stronger, from his programming.
It’s really no different from any of the shit you buy and is marketed lol.
It doesn’t make his information any less valid, or him any less credible. I personally don’t care he used fake plates I’ve learned more from him than I have from even you @vegan gains
Learned what? How to exhale fully before doing a squat? And how to half rep bench with no arch? Clearly Jeff doesn’t even have the basic grasp of strength knowledge, which is ironic since he proclaims himself to be a strength athlete coach. The other tips he gave are all common knowledge bullshit, anyone would have got the same gains regardless as Long as they set their foot into the gym
Aqua Deimos Maybe you should watch Vegan Gains’ full video. JEFF GIVES TERRIBLE CHEST ADVICE! Doing half reps on bench is not good advice. Doing 10 lb dumbbell flys is not going to make you stronger if you can already do them easily.
Oh, what did you learn? That bicep curls with your legs are better than doing bicep curls with a bar? lmao
@@GoGoZebras I genuinely don't think a single Jeff 'fan' can squat more than 2 plates if they actually take his advice.
Chua iirc the bench video you’re referring to IS YEARS OLD (posted the link to a more recent video where he corrects himself, he preaches the arch and bringing the bar to the chest but like I said you idiots can’t research for yourself)
Let me hold you accountable for things you said ignorantly 3+ years ago?
Obviously not everything he says is factual, he’s only human but for the rest of his videos, they’re informative, and quite intelligent.
Unlike you Mr. Herd mentality repeating shit you saw in the same video as everyone else
Ooooo exhale b4 squat oooo .5 rep bench
We get it you watched curlean-x’s video. Good for you!
Now apply context to those. And correct me if I’m wrong but Jeff’s motto is “we train athletes”
Not “I train power lifters and world record strongmen”
?
Greg could pass for Gilbert Gottfried’s son on roids lol
Holy shit, I was thinking the same thing. I was just listening to the video audio and I swore it was him before I checked.
The good things Jeff's done for us faaaar outweigh the ooopsie he did
@@freddrickvalvarde4811 he used the fake weights is an oopsie tho
@@freddrickvalvarde4811 I don't consider this a bad thing but guys have made ot look bad by cherry picking his ooopsies
Jeff 1200+ videos of teaching people who to be weak and not make gains....he is literary a fucking scammer.
His form videos literary show people bad form saying it is good form, and he spews bullshit with no scientific proof
Kyu You’re dumb
6:30 ommggg he’s literally just giving a scenario. He’s saying that 500 pound deadlift would be him ego lifting and it could’ve injured him. And he didn’t want to ACTUALLY load up 500 pounds just to show a demonstration
Yeah, I was with the video until this point where the sound gave it context. I thing the point flew over this channels head
Always thought he makes things way to complicated!! When in reality you train hard eat smart and grow fast!!!
I also thought that, he explains things too complex and it's very irritating
@@homiesenatep He overcomplicates things to get more screentime and impress people. Efficient strength training alone can't sustain 2-3 videos a week for years. He does more bad than good.
Just one liar defending another liar. The fitness industry at its finest.
I think Greg and Jeff are generally alright but this has been interesting to say the least
@Leotis Bennett stop wearing your rose tinted glasses and see Greg's video again. He's basically trying to sweep the whole thing under the carpet. All of Jeff's nut hugger channels accept that Jeff used fake weights, but the bad part is that they all (Greg included) then use mental gymnastics to justify the use of his fake weights when there is no justification possible. It's just shady as fuck.
Bottom line: TH-cam fitness is like supplements... unregulated and full of bs.
Yeah aight 😂
Fitness in general
Vegan gains Jeff video hasn't even hit 100k, no one cares anymore, trying to get some clout back, but failing
Anyone ready to see Greg finish this man's career a second time 😂😂👀
Except this time VG is right - Greg didn't do his homework (Jeff actually claimed how heavy the lift supposedly is) or he deliberately omitted this info to not criticize Jeff too hard, which is deceitful and "ass kissing" as VG put it.
He might have been oblivious to that particular detail but if you really watched Gregg's videos you would know that he doesn't give a damn about catering someone feelings, let alone "ass kissing". He is his own man who made a video about it bcoz his fans wanted his take on the topic.
@@timothyi17019 If you watched VG's video you would know that Greg was presented with the same info, so he was not oblivious or he was too lazy to check the info he was given on a silver plate.
what i don't understand is they're hiding behind the excuse of 'photo shoots allow you to use fake weights you have to do it' nevermind the fact that he bragged about deadlifting 500 pounds, they're acting like he can't film his workouts, why not? If alan thrall can do it why can't he?
Film his workout for a magazine?
@@alexoprescu1236 film his workouts for youtube
11:08 I think you meant *Jeff
Haha this video hasn’t aged well . Check out Greg Doucette’s latest video .
Charlatan is the best word for it. The fact that HE is the biggest fitness TH-camr says a lot about humanity.
People just want someone to sell them magic. It was the same way before when Mike Chang was the biggest fitness youtuber.
@@vectorspace7714 Yup.
I'm a huge Greg fan, but I think he sometimes says things or does things to get more viewers or likes. Originally youtube was a small thing for him, but over the past year his channel has blown up massively. He went from getting like 20k views if he was lucky to getting over 100k on videos. So I think some of it has gone to his head.
Every Damn Day Fitness also defends him because "form demonstration though".
Alan Roberts is a known Jeff nut hugger. Expect nothing better from him.
@@AnindyaMahajan he said he was going to be a little biased lol. But I think he's right. Who actually cares, I mean hope Jeff makes a video covering it (I mean I honestly don't believe that the weights are fake, he's only lifting them 2-3 times in the videos, it's not completely out of the realm of possibility. But I am also open to the fact that they may befake), but it doesn't really deminish his crediblity, and he's still the only person I trust for TH-cam fitness
@thaik56
maybe you guys should also stop defending this guy as well
th-cam.com/video/F5cTI2qnxCk/w-d-xo.html
Greg sounds like Gilbert Godfried. I wanna hear him say “Aflac “.
The reason people are defending Jeff is because he knows what he is talking about and has helped a shit load of people. Yeah he shouldn't use fake weights, but the good far outweighs the bad
80% of jeffs viewers dont even buy his programs. They just follow him for his advice. So it really doesn't matter.
it does and it doesn't matter. He never saids that he could lift x amount of weights, but the fact that hes using heavy weights to help sell his imagine to help sell his product.
I would think that his advice keeps alot of people coming back, i was a huge fan of Jeffs back in the day. But alot of folks are attractive him because of his body imagine and his strengthen. At the end of the day, i don't think this will help Jeff alot, but people will question him more now.
@@letsgetit90 i question why he did so when he's among the top? I now know why, because he isnt really dominating the IG scene considering his success on TH-cam. The ones dominating it are all those Gymshark athletes and unpopular youtube fitness celebrities. Its still unjustified and unnecessary tho
Tons of respect for you because of this, Vegan Gains. Well said and 100% agreed. It's not OK to lie.
I'm a fan of jeff's, but I honestly don't care about the weights. He shows you how do the exercise and that's really all I'm there for.
Yeah, I don’t care that my girlfriend cheats on me constantly, she still puts out and that’s all I’m there for
Except his form sucks.
Yeah I mean it wouldn’t be a big deal if he was just doing it to demonstrate movements, but he’s trying to prove to people how strong he is.
Brandon false equivalency dude😒
Nathan Kurz not really,its more for the aesthetics really. grow up
Everydamn day fitness is the most prolific and shameless Athleanx ass kisser.
Someone is fat accepting.
@Kyle Wallace
Greg called you a moron in his newest video about Athleanx
Wow, Greg's take is so incredibly dumb. Athlean X is practicing deceptive marketing by appearing stronger than he actually is. How is that acceptable?
For as much great advice Jeff puts out there for free. And the fact everyone or company in general that has a product of some type has some form of deceptive marketing. The fake weights takes nothing away from the knowledge presented in the video. I like vegan gains and not shitting on him but idk how he’s accepting him using fake weights in a potential marketing video but then it’s just cause he claims a fake deadlift it’s wrong then. All of it’s stupid. I personally don’t care if he’s using fake weights unless he becomes a brad castleberry
Beetlejuice literally who cares? Why is it such a big deal😂 and just because he does a touch and go does that mean he does it every time? There’s also tons of people that do touch and go, it’s not nearly as safe and not as effective but it’s still effective. As for valsalva maneuver, leaving that out I’d not know why anyone would do that. But still, people way too upset about this
@@jacobgerdau308 But using fake weights makes Jeff a low-life cheating thief though 😬
@Philip Cszuchajowski
Greg called you a moron in his newest video about Athlean X
Wait... you’re not relevant... Greg destroyed you on multiple occasions. You’re literally obese but call yourself vegan gains... lol what a joke
If anyone else did this they'd be torn apart. But Athlean X does it and it's okay? No way
Obviously therell be bias & it aint rocket science to understand why. If someone like V shreds does it, obviously he'll be crucified, coz he's credibility was shit to begin with. It all boils down to how ppl view credibility. let's say if Dr Mike Israetel got exposed for being a fake natty (just a scenario), if ure gonna be narrow minded and just focus on that along with a few other cherrypicked flaws, then too bad. But if ure gonna be open minded and look at how he along with RO and Juggernaut have provided tons of useful info (even if a few are controversial), then ull the one who will be benefitting from filtering the good stuff.
I don't remember greg defending jeff, he just said that it has nothing to do with the tips he is giving. If he wanted to look stronger, cool, that's his thing, he never said he was stronger than others. He is a freaking coach, coaches don't play.
He said he was stronger since he claimed lifting a certain wieght for five times. Bro, Greg look down on fake nati for the same reason, why not jeff for fake lifter ?
@@TheSentry21 first greg actually addressed this as he didn't know Jeff stated that he lifted a huge amount of weight. 2nd Greg actually has nothing against the fake natys he has said many times he understands why they lie and has nothing against them as he doesn't see why anabolics are so looked down upon
Jeff basically brags about lifting 495 Deadlifts, 315 close-grip bench and 150 barbell curls while demonstrating his "lifts" with fake plates. Yeah, that's not deceptive at all, lol! Why should you trust anything else that comes out of his mouth? He's a weak little fraudster trying to gain more "respect" and legitimacy by doing this deceiving shit.
At least he's honest about not being able to even rep out 225 squats... but then he tries to make us believe that he can deadlift 495 with his weak ("injury prone") legs? What a huckster.
Notice in the same deadlift video also that he first reps out squats with two real 44 lb plates, but then puts on the fake ones on the outside for his "225 lb squats" (where he says that his "form starts to break down").
Here's the vid: th-cam.com/video/6QRdA7gl8mk/w-d-xo.html
He can't even squat 135, LOL!!!
Jesus you sound like a bitter ex lol. The only time that Jeff mentioned how much he lifts was that dead lift. Hell maybe his 1 rep max is 500 pounds. Every other time its been a part of his vids demonstrating technique. Who cares if he shows a bar with more weight. Is he demonstrating those deadlifts saying "my technique allows you to lift 500 pounds easily"? No. I could care less what weights he uses to make it look better. The equivalent would be going around harassing women for using make up. Its not as if they're saying that's them without any work. You've picked 1 vid where he said 500 pounds and went off on a tangent crying lol.
So basically people defend someone who is trying to scam them... I wouldn't pay someone weaker than me to tell me how to train. Jeff knows this, many people are not dummies to pay weaker trainers than them. Exception with olympic weight lifting coaches who are usually old and fat, but in their day they were champions.
I get what your saying, but im sure there are many managers in many sports that are crap at actually performing their particular sport. If they help teams win games then whats the issue
you could be strong as shit and not know proper form, this is an insanely ignorant statement
So you wouldnt hire a proffesional coach who is a bit older and stopped using heavy weights 10 years ago because he is too old? I kinda get what you wanted to say but not always stronger>smarter, better at understanding the sport
6:20 your are wrong about this respectfully. He’s showing for example something that would be way too heavy and how it’s not beneficial. If he showed him deadlifting 150 it wouldn’t really make sense to the people watching.
There's no defending the obvious fake weights, it's just a straight up joke. You're absolutely right about douchebagette defending jeff purely because he wants some of those subscribers and that sweet sweet youtube money...
i have a video on my channel where l deadlift 200kg/440lbs and there is a clear bend in the bar. Now l know Jeff was using the stiff bar in his video but considering it was"495lbs" it would still bend.
Of all the comments from kids calling Jeff weak and saying shit like 3x body weight deadlift is easy and I've found the one guy who actually lifts what he says he does. Respect bro.
Jeff is still good people, moving the fitness industry forward in a positive way.
Exactly. And all these other “fitness” gurus like this douche bag vegan gains thrive off of putting others down cuz they know they’ll never be as good as Jeff or have as many subscribers
Bro who hurt you?
10:24 that advice is for people who have shoulders pain problems
Is vegan gains right that this pain is mitigated by simply tucking back your shoulders so you can bright it to your chest?
@@jdm3075 you don't know what is the cause of the pain. Safety first
It is bad advice.
He made a video about how he was wrong
Lol 500lb deadlift for reps with those toothpicks?!?! What a dunce 🤣
check out maxx chewning he deadlifts 600+ weighing less than Jeff...
500 pounds is super doable, in fact most people with 10 years of lifting experience will probably get there..
@@dylansevitt i wouldn't say it's super doable but yeah u r gonna prob get there after 10 years
We haven't had a good youtube beef in like 3 years. So happy we got a new one.
On a "vegan" channel no less! What a hypocrite 😅🤣
Jeff helped me a lot over the years and has a lot of great advices, especially in terms of injury prevention, But this fake weights is really inexcusable. Particularly that deadlift was the final nail in the coffin.
Damn the parrot from Aladdin has spoken 🦜🦜🦜🦜🦜🦜🦜🦜🦜🦜
I would quit focusing on what somebody else is doing and actually go lift weights you look pretty out of shape. I'd rather listen to those two then you
Notice how this isn't an argument moron? If you'd listen to advice from someone who thinks half reps on the bench is a good idea and has to use fake weights to makeup for his terrible training and nutrition knowledge then I guess that's your choice.
@@VeganGains they're obviously a lot more knowledgeable than you look at them and then look at you. I've been in bodybuilding for over 20 years I'm 47 years old now and I agree with everything they say and I don't care if they use fake weights or what. LOL
@@tonyboetto5093 everyone else cares
Ruben Rabaçal False
@h. s you're hilarious obviously athlean-x knows what he's doing he trains professional athletes and has many degrees as does Coach Gregg. And for being an old man I'm sure I'm in way better shape than you. So why don't you learn from us older guys and shut the hell up.
Vegan Gains: the guy who tells you a vegan diet is the best way to go while looking like bottom 10 percent of physical specimens on the planet. Agreed using fake weights is false advertisement. So what should we refer to as someone who says a vegan diet is optimal but has progressively been degenerating on TH-cam before our eyes. False advertisement?
Ad hominem fallacy
AX is a joke to me now. Talks about ego lifting while he's using fake plates lol ego everything is exactly what he's doing, and he's not even doing it.
I know fitness drama is low during this time but this whole thing is a little bit of a stretch. I’m no Jeff fanboy but this is really a minor indiscretion. You’re making it seem like he put a knee in some guy’s neck for 9 minutes suffocating him.
Bro, this man's voice sounds like when your audio cord is corrupt. It sounds like some metal latency.
Ok and? Lmao
Haha im so used to it now but he does sound like the parrot from Aladin. th-cam.com/video/v-8CV5Q4-7U/w-d-xo.html
As much as I want to defend Jeff? He was wrong to be lifting fake weights and claiming that it was his personal record.
You can also take steroids to look cool. Where do you draw the line?
Draw it at taking steroids.
At this point, he probably is. Jeff has already lied about the weights he can lift and his height just to make himself look more impressive and sell more programs to noobs. Very logical to think he's then juicing up to sell even more programs as well.
@@rockluisfelipe Jeff is on TRT, which is indeed a form of steroid.
You’re still irrelevant.
Does anybody even buy his programs??
I did lol
@@user-fj2or3xp2c and was it good ?
They’re actually not bad. After a few month on an Athlean-X program I could bench 4 fake plates easy.
@@Ixnatifual only 4 plates? I did the same program and had carrot cake every day and now, I can bench 5 plates. Don't ask me how many of those plates are fake.
If you are using fake weights in a photo shoot but you are also able to lift the real amount then it is excusable. If you are using fake weights to lead people to believe that you can lift that amount but you actually can't then it is dishonest and yes, it matters. Integrity and honesty are important and if someone is willing to lie in one area you don't know when they are being dishonest in the future. This is especially true in the fitness industry where false information or fake lifts can cause unrealistic expectations that can lead to serious injury.
I like how no one actually goes to see the video this clip with the deadlift was taken from. Also the bench press clips are from 5 years ago, he made another one and corrected those statements. I dunno I may be biased whatever 🤔.
I know those bad bench press advice videos were old but they were not much older than that 315 bench video. So basically the guy gave out horrible advice for years and he's acting as if that kind of shit advice will get you a 315 bench.
Vegan Gains - You need to declare war on Mike O’hearn as well. Break down his bulking videos and his overall dieting. 💯
The worst thing that he's said and hasn't ever corrected to my knowledge is to breathe out fully on a squat. Dangerous.
Also,his stance on weight belts is wrong .
I do like some of his content, his ab work for example is great, however the strength components of his content aren't very good at all.
You have to balance what is correct with what isn't. I'm sure if Vegan Gains or some others used fake weights within a training video, Jeff's supporters would jump all over them.
The only defence I will offer is that perhaps these videos are all shot on a given day.
And it took a few years for people realise he was lifting fake plates???
I have always been a fan of Jeff, but he got properly exposed. It’s false advertising to sell his fitness program.
not sure what he sells. His programs are free.
I feel sorry for the vegan lifters finding this page in the hope for advice on lifting as a vegan only to find it flooded mostly with videos trying to bring down youtube pages more than 10x bigger than his own...spend your energy on the right thing man and help out your fellow vegan lifters...
Yeah, and stop making videos for clout dude. He bitched in EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE VIDEOS ABOUT JEFF WANTING CLOUT BUT LOOK WHAT ALL OF HIS RECENT POSTS ARE ABOUT.
This page is not for lifting advice but for educating people and exposing frauds. The advice for lifting for vegans is no different than what non-vegans should be doing. It's already been covered extensively by channels like Renaissance Periodization and 3DMJ, most other youtube fitness channels are snake oil frauds like Jeff Cavelier that have absolutely no idea what they are talking about.
is this Greg guy the son of Gilbert Gottfried?
and zeus
A lot of big TH-camrs are justifying it. "bUt iT's a dEmOnStRaTiOn!". Spineless, all of them.
This is the worst part. This pretty much confirms what most of us have always thought, that the whole youtube fitness industry is one big scam.
I still have some faith in guys like Mike Israetel and Barbell Medicine, but their audience is a lot different than Athlean-x's, so I won't put them in the same category.
Have to side with Gains on this one.
Dude not anymore, greg was right lol
He doesnt know how to bench properly, that doesnt mean all of his information is “dog shit” he has a lot of great information
Is Gregg stupid or something?
He says that Athlean X is and isn't lying in two sentences in a row.
Watch his video. He said Jeff lifts fake weights but it doesn't matter to him. He doesn't care. Where's the lie in there?
There is no lie
No he's smart
@Alexxx Dee
Greg called you a moron in this video th-cam.com/video/iUwtMWc0z48/w-d-xo.html
I love this guys first defense *Its obvious he was using fake weights! If you did not see it you dont know anything about lifting!*, Uhm is Jeff's audience not directed exactly at people, who dont know what the fuck their doing like? He is literally just confirming the con itself
You said Greg instead of Jeff at 11:06
Going too deep on bench (even with light weights) causes sharp pain in my shoulders. I feel like i have to stop right after going below 90 deg
Don't even know who Greg is but I actually agreed with everything he said, voice is annoying though.
Greg rules. You should watch him.
RMJJ91 agreed
I do, i was just being ignorant, getting my point across 😂
Funny how people say "this isn't like Brad Castleberry" when it's actually worse because Brad is self aware and everyone knows his shit is fake, while Jeff is intentionally trying his best to mislead impressionable novices so that they buy his shit. Jeff is worse.
I just ate a Big Mac, what are you gonna do about it VG?
PICKLE FRESH I ate a vegan big Mac what are you going to do about it?
Is Richard getting smaller?
The problem is that he says he is doing a 495 pound dead lift or 315 bench if he didn't say that i wouldn't really care.
@@cold_servo_pie The thing is i don't watch Athlean x so i could care less if he uses fake plates; other people should care less as well.
@@alexk1149 why should they care less when these are the people who would spend their money and buy his programs?
@@AnindyaMahajan if people think they could get to a 500 pound deadlift on his programs they deserve to lose money. Ay
What? I watched greg’s last video and he agreed that they’re fake weights...
“Of course he’s using fake weights” definitely isn’t defense. Also his point was that Jeff is simply trying to demonstrate form
You're stupid, aren't you? Commented before watching this entire video
Respond to Scott Herman and Every damn day fitness
Every Damn Day is not worth anyone's time
EDDF is basically a sycophant of jeff
@@rawbeltless700lblateralrai4 imagine caring for a guy who acts like a teenager. He cant say 3 words without saying "fuckin".
Umm those 2 are much better than Vegan LAME lmfao
it seems as though you are using the topic to get views more than greg is, greg is going to get 1 mil subs if he covers the topic or not, he obviously will cover a good video if he thinks it is. just because jeff is using fake weights doesn’t mean it’s the end of his channel even if it’s true, his information is good and helps lots of people with injuries. i’m pretty sure anyone could go their whole life without watching your channel because you don’t have much to offer
Vegan Gains : 1
Athlean-X : 0
Vegan Gains : 0
Athlean-X : 4
Fake plates on the barbell
@@AnindyaMahajan Touché
Why does everyone have to be a shill when they disagree with you, Greg says he doesn’t care and it doesn’t matter to him why can’t that be the end of it, instead of him being a kiss ass?
Because he had the info on what exactly Jeff did and said but apparently chose the route of "Jeff did it for demonstration purposes" which clearly isn't the case. That's why.
Lol he's not defending him. He clearly said that what he's doing is considered lying. He's just saying that it isn't as clownish as Brad Castleberry lying about breaking world records. But I see no sign of defense.
It sounds like a half hearted defense to me.
Vegan gains I get your point but insulting Jeff just makes you look dumb...Jeff has shoulder problems which he had developed from bench press. He advices full ROM bench If you have no shoulder problems which you can see in his bench press form video not the old ones you diged up...Saying his advice sucks and he is not a strength coach again you have been proven wrong for this yet you still say it. However he knows more than most fitness youtubers and I am pretty sure even you have applied some of his advice ... I want to see a video from Jeff about the fake weights tho.
Absolutely agree with you 👏
This is unacceptable !!!
Liar
It reminds me 6 pack shortcuts channel 5 years ago as well. Same thing!!!
Over 10 million subscribers total non sense
I'm guessing you're new to youtube fitness. Jeff has been carrying TH-cam fitness on his back for years and years. The fake weights thing isnt right but the guys knowledge is off the charts
@@aaronnordstrom788 And you base that opinion on...? Jeff literally never referred to any research. He wants you to believe he bases his opinions on science, but he doesn't, and he was caught giving terribly wrong advice countless times.
Honestly, how tf is using fake weights any different from using make-up, or bros getting a pump before going to the beach?
How does it take away from the content of Athlean-X's videos? I don't remember Jeff ever once telling ANYONE to use fake weights.
Y'all just making a mountain out of a mole hill.
Every damn day fitness did the same type of excuse yesterday
They're not excuses. It's literally reality that it doesn't matter if you're using fake weights for the sake of demonstrating proper form.
@@kondoriono6767 Delusional nut hugger detected. Firstly if you wanted to demonstrate form, you could easily do it with one plate on the deadlift and even with just the bar on the bench. Secondly the form is beyond horrendous on both the pin-press and the deadlift.
Hey vegan gains did you see Greg's new video on jeff cavalier? He calls him out now. He admits he was wrong. He's upset about the fake weights now. He also now questions wether Jeff is natural or not. Jeff said he will take a drug test and pay greg 1 million dollars if he fails drug test!!!!!!!! It will never happen but still crazy hahaha.
Man listening to Doucette is like hearing fingernails on a chalkboard
your channel is dead af
Lol coming from a channel that never had a chance to be “alive”
Greg Doucette is a total joke. The guy never does research about health and fitness too since ''studies don't prove anything and can be cherry picked easily''. His wordings.
Glad I'm not the only one who thinks he's a total joke
I cherry pick stuff from studies all the time lol
@@pfclex6737 The question is, why do you do that? So you like to lie and win arguments?
Vegan gains is cool but he lost the last argument with Greg
@@GetGr8 Which argument are you talking about?
Must be mentally draining being so worried about other people all the time. There will be a day when you need a strangers help and your fucked bud.
Ps you ruin your outrage credibility when you give him a pass on photos shoots cuz you’d get “tired” your still selling something under false pretense. That’s your whole point right. Plus making a video seems like more work cuz you can’t photo shop it. Think you missed the mark dude