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- Why is it that so many people get the definition of fascism wrong? Basically, because it's a complex thing to define, and it's become a word people use to describe their enemies in order to boost their political agenda or promote their cause.
Mr. Beat's definition of fascism: the idea that the group is more important than the individual.
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Photo credits:
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Sound credits:
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For more about Mussolini:
Mussolini's Italy: Life Under the Fascist Dictatorship
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Tristan's video:
• What Is Fascism?
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• Is Fascism Right Or Le...
• Laura Ingraham slams t...
• Trump Isn't Hitler - S...
(The Some More News one is actually quite good)
Another good Fascism video by Kat Blaque:
• What Is: FASCISM
Yo, I’m Mr. Beat. In 2010, when I was a young lad, I began teaching World History at Blue Valley High School. Fun fact- that’s where Michael Stevens from Vsauce went to high school.
Anyway, when I tried to teach these poor kids about fascism, I had a hard time explaining it. For starters, there were so many definitions out there, and when I finally did find a definition that was historically accurate, it was ridiculously complex.
And since then, I’ve noticed that a lot of people confidently talk about fascism but apparently have no clue what it actually means.
Rarely is a word so often misused or mischaracterized. So let’s look at what fascism actually means. I planned on making a video about this awhile ago, but I held off after my friend Tristan from Step Back History beat me to it. That’s right. He beat Mr. Beat.
Anyway, he released this video back in October 2017. Tristan does a great job as he always does, but he mostly dives into the early history of Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany, and frankly, he was still a bit too vague with his definition of fascism.
In the comments of the video, I attempted to simplify the definition of fascism as I used to simplify it for my World History students so they’d better understand. Fascism is essentially “conform or else.” Well, it got a lot of likes, so that’s cool, but then the “well actually” crowd hopped on, and one of the responses, from Eli A, was “That's just authoritarianism. Not all authoritarians are fascists, but all fascists are authoritarians” and….Eli kind of has a point. Maybe, I simplified a bit too much. Violence usually is associated with fascism, but not always.
So let me revise. Fascism is the idea that the group is more important than the individual.
Diversity is a threat to the group. Individualism is a threat to the group. Immigration is a threat to the group. New ideas could potentially be a threat to the group. Basically, anything that undermines the country, nation, or even ethnic group is a threat to the group. The people in a fascist society are expected to have limited choices and strict guidance. In other words, conform to the group.
Some argue fascism had its roots in the Jacobin movement, with leaders of the French Revolution like Maximilien Robespierre. Others argue it had its roots as a backlash against the Enlightenment. During the Enlightenment, when more and more people were raving about individualism, laissez faire economics, liberty, and equality, dudes like the British philosopher Thomas Carlyle were like hold up. Hierarchy is good. Democracy is bad. Some are leaders but most are followers. Absolute rulers were good for society. These ideas gained popularity during the late 1800s and early 1900s. To add to the backlash, Social Darwinism, the idea that the evolutionary concept of natural selection also applied to human societies, became a big thing. This fit right in with what would eventually be called fascism.
The term “Fascism,” wasn’t first used until 1915 by supporters of a guy you probably know about named Benito Mussolini.
Seeing the Prager U definition of fascism makes me cringe every time.
It was pretty bad
I didn’t expect to see you here, emperor
The one before that was pretty bad as well, it seems like people know there definition is wrong but since there isn’t a common and solid definition, they just make up whatever definition pushes their political beliefs.
seeing prager u in ANY context makes me cringe. these people are fascists in every sense of the word.
I have seen people who pretend (or tried) to be fasicist. They put metal under their shoes, they yell everything. It happens in my high school. I think it means nothing has value except what group consider valueble. Is it?
At first I thought this said is Mr.Beast a fasict
same
I read Mr. Bean.
He's a fascist General of the 9 year old army
Pewdiepie subs are the superior race and Mr.Beast is just trying to show the NON sub race
Same.
I would like to change "The group is more important than the individual" to "Sacrifice individual freedom for the group to succeed against other groups"
Definitely a more workable definition than presented in the video. Still, fascism is too variable to be defined in a single sentence. Umberto Eco's essay Ur-Fascism is a good starting point.
@@bladdnun3016 >Eco
Collectivism
@@janespright yeah because there is a MASSIVE difference between "hey I don't want to be selfish" and FASCISM
@@alpacaofthemountain8760 I was saying that you described collectivism, wondering if you were aware. And it looks like you were. I wouldn't go as far as saying that collectivists were selfless but it depends at what collectivist type you mean but i digress. Both terms are heavily loaded and more clarification is usually needed. I don't know if you are in the mood for shooting the breeze. Besides, neither the short sentence that Beat provided nor your is close to encapsulating what fascism is and in my opinion does more harm than good. Cheers!
"Fascism is when the police are mean. The meaner the police, the Fascister it is. And when the police are really, really, mean, it is Nazism." -Benito Mussolini
This made me laugh
@@Dothwa Ask 'Some More News'.
He and 'Renegade-Cut' have the Best on this Topic.
@Helzhangstudiosofficial It is satire.
and the Blue Meanine
I don't think Mussolini said any such thing, it doesn't make any sense. Now saying "Everything in the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state, " that is something Mussolini, Lennin and Stalin would agree completely as the foundation of their systems. Coerced conformality as the strap holding it all together.
The fact that Mr. Beat knows that VSauce went to the school he taught at just makes me imagine him giving Micheal a detention or something and Micheal going “I’m in trouble... or am I??” and then the music starts to play and Mr B just shakes his head.
Lol, that reminds me of that Key and Peele sketch where Neil deGrasse Tyson keeps avoiding talking to his wife by turning everything into an educational video.
😂 you have a imaginative mind lol
@@zoyadulzura7490 hilarious. I've actually never seen it but now I'm going to.
If a world-wide famous person had been attending your high school, wouldn't you know about that too? I think that that would be something the high school would be proud of.
@@otakarbeinhauer not at my high school every famous or notable person ever is from New Jersey so that’s just normal at the school I went to half the girls I dated in high school have been on the news lol
Ah, bundle-of-sticks-ism
Another Jreg fan?
@@yahyachothia Who isn't
@@sporeau1006 People who don't understand irony
J R E G
@@RedScotland i cant tell if this is ironic but i also havent watched the video
Within the first minute, the line " when I did find [an accurate definition] it was just ridiculously complex" sums up so much of the difficulty talking about it. Because yeah, it's not simple. It's convoluted and contradictory by its design. Very glad that was pointed out so early, really good video structuring!
I'd say it's best to listen to people who have lived under fascism and written about it; examples being Umberto Eco and Vicente Navarro
Or read actual fascist literature.
@@sonsvensson2652 Why trust the word of snakes?
@@veemie8148 You holf communist thinkers like Marx and Engels to the same regard?
@@veemie8148 Because it's their own ideology that they understand better than anyone.
To fight fascism, we first must understand what is the true meaning of fascism
Ok so watch the damn video and stop talking ( I’m a facist stop talking and thinking now)
Both side have extremest in government and independent of government who may use violence.
Read Sorel and mosley and you find fascism is adaptation of marxism.
Fascism as described by its ideological founder Giovanni Gentile, "Fascism as a consequence of its Marxian and Sorelian patrimony conjoined with the influence of contemporary Italian idealism, through which Fascist thought attained maturity, conceives philosophy as praxis."
Fascism as described by the world's foremost scholar on the subject Emilio Gentile, "For Mussolini, syndicalism was the most modern embodiment of the spirit of Marxist doctrine, which he added to the myths of his Nietzschean aristocratic philosophy to reach a socialism of quality rather than quantity."
It was an extremely specific ideology that had dozens of theoreticians, fortunately because of that it's pretty easy to understand once you get your head around the Hegelian part
@@eeee-rp1hp Italians are a mixed race.
"Everything in the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state."
-Benito Mussolini
It looks like Communism for me.
Nice bait 👍
Communists: Capitalism IS FASCISM!!!
Capitalists: There is no significant difference between fascism and Communism. Both are totalitarian.
Fascists: Capitalism and Communism are two sides of the Jewish Coin.
@@DreamlessSleepwalker you're dumb
@@DreamlessSleepwalker We are all Fascists.
NGL, I thought it said "Is Mr. Beast a fascist?"
I thought thats what this video was, then he said he’s Mr.Beat 😭😭 i thought someone on Twitter accused Mr. Beast of being a fascist, i felt so clickbaited, then i just felt slow 🥲🥲🥲
"HOW'S IT GOING GUYS, TODAY WE ARE KILLING OVER 7MILLION PEOPLE IN BOTH FRONTS AND CAMPS ACROSS 4 CONTINENTS TO UNITE THE WORLD UNDER ONE FLAG, SMACK THAT LIKE BUTTON LIKE THE BLITZKRIEG SMACKED FRANCE AND LET'S GET ON WITH THE VIDEO"
@@S3b0rg If we get to 1 million like in this video i will declare war on the USA.
Fr
You made me laugh.
I think that definition isn't quite right, as it would essentially mean most parents have a fascist approach to their families (i.e. "my family is more important than me as an individual").
True. That means I'm fascist as well
When I was in school, fascism was taught as "A one party system" which was designed to increase a nation's military readiness in response to WW1.
They just taught it as the bad Italian party.
The PragerU one reminded me of when they said Hitler wasn’t a nationalist because he wasn’t born in Germany lol. So cringe.
"Democrats are the real fascists because they said that American is one big family."
yeah, wasn't he australian?
@@potatoheadpokemario1931 Austrian 🇦🇹 I believe yes.
@@potatoheadpokemario1931
Australian Hitler
No. No. He's got a point
"Creating a white homeland? I just want to build a new Roman Empire!"
- Benito Mussolini (2020)
"wait don't kill them. They're not white, they're Italian!"
Johann Äpfelburg lol I liked that part from the documentary as well lol. They must have meant they werent colonizers.
@@johannapfelburg6286 if we are not white you are blind and funny how the most racist man of all time adolf hitler loved Mussolini so he must have thought italians were white ,you are so ignorant !!
@@cfclazio621 Hitler and Mussolini didn't really like each other, I mean it was an alliance formed out of necessity, not out of friendship, Mussolini even wanted his war to be separate from the German war. I mean hitler thought the Sioux (he never met a single member, just read a paragraph on them once), Japanese, Chinese and Greeks were honorary Aryans while he saw Italians as the lowest of white people
🙃🙃🙃🙃
This definition falls apart a little bit once you take into consideration all the various definitions that 'group' can have and the fact that facists don't care about the 'group' as in the collective population of their country, but rather a group within that, usually one that already has a significant concentration of power relative to the rest of the population. Furthermore facism /is/ inherently authoritarian and violent as by concentrating power and benefit onto the chosen subgroup one must at minimum reduce the relative power of all other subgroups, which is a form of political violence, and automatically creates a tiered power structure wherein the outgroups are subject to the authority of the ingroup/ruling party.
(edited)
I agree, I think it would be more accurate to say that a fascist prioritizes collective identity over individual freedoms, with “identity” being the key word. Mr Beat’s definition would throw all collectivist movements under the ‘fascist’ umbrella which is obviously not accurate. Fascism is not so much concerned with the advancement of the collective well being as it is with projecting strength through uniformity, which requires establishing - and strictly enforcing - a collective identity. In that sense, Beat’s original definition “conform or else” is actually a slightly better one, though it misses that important context of WHY you must conform.
What group did Mussolini prioritize?
@@thebenevolentsun6575 Well, the PNF was an Italian nationalist party, so ostensibly he prioritized anyone who he felt fit into the category of ‘heir to the legacy of Rome’. But in reality he just prioritized corporations.
Marxism doesn't conceive the group as the collective population of the country, it has the oppressed Proletariat overthrowing the Bourgeoisie which has a significant concentration of power relative to the rest of the population. Same thing, just different group definitions. Fascism and Communism both require an authoritarian power structure..., how can you have a centralized planned economy without a tiered hierarchy and compelled conformality? How do you do that without the threat of violence? In the Soviet Union (and elsewhere) they had Comisars seeded in factories, rural communities, and in the military to represent the governments interests, and the power to interfere if not met. In a collectivists system, they want to know what you're doing and if you're doing what your told because everything must mesh. Communism and Fascism are just two different flavors of the same ice cream.
"Everyone else has it wrong. Here's my oversimplified definition that can literally apply to half the ideologies that existed throughout history, without sources or even reasoning"
Well done, sir.
Why are you mad?
@@EventuallyTM he's not he's just pointing out that mr beat is a horseshoe centrist that probably thinks communist is fascism
@@EventuallyTM because hes right and that video sucked
youre right but still better than contzra points
The definition that it's when "the group is more important than the individual" sounds more like Communism
For a moment I read "Is Mr. *Bean* a fascist?" and I was like waaa???
That would be awesome
He will be, if Rowan Atkinson plays Hitler in Peaky fookin Blinders S6
I thought it said Mr. Beast..
@@thatpoorsandersy32yearsago36 same...
@@thatpoorsandersy32yearsago36 same
"Fascism is when you do based things. The more based things you do the more Fascisty it is. And when you do a real lot of based things, it's Nazism" - Benito Mussolini
Pretty based definition.
Based? Based of wha-
"Fascism is when the government does stuff that makes you not free and the government is mean" - Giovanni Gentile
I hope you're joking. Nazism is not Fascism. Nazism is just a shitty socialism based on pseudo science.
And I'm not Joking.
@@NEM0.01 I did base this comment on one of the top comments on this video: th-cam.com/video/qdY_IMZH2Ko/w-d-xo.html
One thing I wish you touched on is the historical context of governments considered to be fascist. The points you outlined are not necessarily right-wing, but governments that fit those definitions & that are often cited as examples of fascist governments all do seem to match the dictionary definition.
Great and thought-provoking video.
@Anon Ymous : _"... is the historical context of governments considered to be fa sc ist."_
There has been only one; the gove rnment under Mus solini in Ita ly, during the W W2 era.
@@Historia.Magistra.Vitae. that's hyper-reductive. Just because other governments weren't literally managed by a "Fascist Party" doesn't mean you can't call them fascists. There have been many fascist regimes throughout the 20th century.
Fascism can be socialist (strasserism for example), but it doesn't have to be (Pinochetism)
a list of words that you need to prove you understand before using
1. any word ending in ist or phobic
2. communist/socialist
3. fascist/nazi
Who the hell coined fatphobia/transphobia? And who the hell is scared of either of them??? one question also... its always said that the end goal of communism is a classless moneyless state yet ive yet to hear or see of them ever explaining how the hell that would work and im pretty sure its never actually happened??? cuba has been communist for what 50+ years and they aint implemented/ idk figured it out? Sounds pretty bullshit to me as its impossible to make a classless society in any country bigger than a mini fridge
@@finlaymcdiarmid5832 Hello, just wanted to clarify some things
1.
Officially phobia has 2 different definitions: Either extreme fear of something, or an extreme dislike of something. That's where homophobia/fatphobia/transphobia comes from
2.
Cuba isn't communist, but socialist. You could call all the communist countries that have existed socialist, as non of them ever got to implement communism, as we define it, even though Cuba doesn't try anymore to implement communist ideas, but just goes all in on the socialist ideas.
3.
You are right in that it's almost impossible. The reason that so many people defend communism, and calls it the best possible ideology, is because on paper, it's the perfect system. But that's the problem, it's a system above all else, so it doesn't account for individualism, and it pretty much only works on paper. For it to work everyone needs hold the exact same opinions, and corruption can't be a thing, which is almost impossible. Personally I think communism is great, if you have an island society of 10-500 people, however when you're building a society of millions of people, that can't work.
Hope that clarified some stuff
@@phil385 " as we define it " Mr Beat has a great video on logical fallacies, you should look it up. One is called the no true scrotman fallacy.
@@myothersoul1953"a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs."
No country has established communism. Why do you think he is guilty of that fallacy?
@@finlaymcdiarmid5832 a lot of human history involved classless and moneyless societes
Things have really taken a turn for the worst on the muppets show.
lol Don't worry! No muppet was harmed during the making of this episode.
agree he fuck up all the video with the muppets show I dislke coz of that
Fascism already existed since the Roman Age. But Roman politics was much unique and elegantly splendid than Nazi Germany, United States and USSR combined.
It was the only nation that lasted for over a thousand years, multi-culturally ethnic, and united strongly unopposed, regardless of internal and external conflicts, problems and difficulties that attempt to nearly destroy the roman empire into the brink of chaos and defeat.
The Roman Empire will be remembered as the greatest empire that ever lived and be among the
"Empire of all Empires".
@@trollfacenationalist3653
Well, besides the socially acceptable pedophilia and stuff.
Ehhhhhhhhhh........................
The muppets were facist by this definition, believing in the collective group rather than promoting individualism such as Miss Piggy and Gonzo
I gasped when you pulled up an old contrapoints video at 2:00. Saw that one when it came out, long gone by now
"The idea that a group is more important than the individual" is a definition of collectivism. Yes, fascism is a branch of collectivism, but so is socialism, communism etc. This is what they have in common, it's the rest of their beliefs (even though they're all surprisingly similar) that make them any different and so hateful against eachother.
"Fasicsm is the idea that the group is more important then the individual". That is incomplete. You are describing collectivism in general. Facism also aggressively pursues the betterment of the group, at the cost of other groups. I see it as little more then a modern evolution of tribalism - which given humanity's past, would come natural to us.
its more of the idea that benito mousalini stated himself in the fascist doctrine that together people are stronger than apart which is where the term fascism come because of the tool the fascese (which comes from when ancient Greece went fascist from time to time and the leaders pasted it when they turned fascist)
Yea makes sense. Just with the added bells and whistles of modern industry and modern cultural evolutions.
Well, that is the aesthetics of fascist regimes, it isn’t how they work in practice.
Fascism is purely a reactionary ideology, either to push back against leftist movement or the threat of leftist action during economic turmoil in capitalist economic systems.
The claims of fascist are to bring everyone through together within said in- group (by race, political affiliation, religion, etc) to defeat the threat of a fictional “other”, while never actually improving the conditions of the working class who perpetrate or are at least complicit in doing “what is considered necessary” to get rid of the threat of this other.
So sucky all around really
If that was the definition East Asian culture would be considered somewhat fascist. You're right that his definition of Fascism is basically just collectivism.
If only the "betterment of the group" wasn't always a misnomer under Fascism
"Everything within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state."
~Mussolini
The most basic definition of fascism from the man himself. I would limit the word fascism to his method of governance. This is because of their unique replacement of the Democratic legislature with one that represents groups of the state is made up of like workers and employers.
The book the Doctrine of Fascism goes into fascism in philosophical detail from their own point of view, so it is useful to get a detailed definition. It really draws the lines between it and socialism, liberalism, and monarchies.
Except Mussolini wasnt the first fascist or the "father" of Fascism and its doctrine.
@@sandwitchi7 I don't know who could have been other than perhaps those thinkers in Italy that lead up to the idea. Mussolini want the only author of "The Doctrine of Fascism." Either way the quote is really the only good and fast defining that I've been able to find. Who would you point to as the original fascist leader and how would you define fascism?
I know for a fact that fascism in Romania originated from doctrine written in the mid and late 19th century by historians and theorists like Xenopol and A. C. Cuza. The first actual fascist movement in Romania began in 1919 and was led by Corneliu Zelea Codreanu. Although it is possible he could have taken some elements from Italian Fascism, his movement differed greatly in its philosophy and end goal. I'd suggest reading The Nest Leader's Manual and For My Legionaries, if you want to read up on Romanian Fascist doctrine.
The exact origins of fascism are a bit uncertain, but I know Romania's did not come from Italian doctrine. There are similarities but it differs almost entirely on a philosophical, social and economic level. Even so, Romanian fascist doctrine could very well have originated from someone else's.
I guess Mussolini's definition could be a very oversimplified definition for every Fascist sub-ideology, but there are exceptions.
@@sandwitchi7 Fascism is Romanian? Yeah try another one
You're right, and additionally, in Japan, Ikki Kita had written his 'Outline Plan for the Reorganization of Japan' years before the March on Rome or Beer Hall Putsch ever happened:
www.worldfuturefund.org/Reports/Japan/Kitta.htm
There have been many Fascists in other nations who may have gotten their start before the more 'famous' movements in Italy and Germany.
My great grandmother who lived under Mussolini's reign said in Italy post war the saying went, "there are two types of fascist..the fascist and the anti-fascist.".
This is exactly the issue. It comes down to a Us vs Them attitude. Either you are one of us or you are one of them. There is no middle no understanding of other ideas. It is our way or you are one of them. Very closed minded. Sound familiar? We should study this so we don't repeat it.
I once got called a fascist for expressing my opinion on a youtube short.
Fascism isn't just the idea that the group is more important than the individual. It is also the idea that the group is more important than other groups. Someone who believed that "the group" to which the individual must be loyal is the entire world population would not be a fascist. They would just be a collectivist. A fascist demands loyalty not to all human beings as a group, but rather to a specific group of human beings.
This makes more sense. Collectivist is for *the* greater group.
Fascist is for *a* group they think is better than any other group.
Not group, but the state. Individuals are not important until they associate themselves with the state.
"All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state"
© Benito Mussoliny
(Sorry for my English)
@@-grey no that's supremacism
Does that not pretty much characterize every major civilization in human history? Hard to imagine the Japanese being more concerned with the Chinese or the Mongols than themselves. Hard to imagine the Aztecs being more concerned about the Congolese than themselves. Just because I love my kid more than your kids doesn't mean I hate your kids.
I think your definition starts to be clunky. In its promotion Fascism has to be the in group for Fascism to work, as it's a political idea.
I've been misusing the words "fascism" and "fascist", more often than not when I actually meant "authoritarian".
Its a very common misconception. The communists and marxists didnt like that a essentially socialist ideology was allied with hitler so they jumbled up the definition of fascism to not resemble socialism, this is still apparent in wikipedia which gives no mention to any trace of socialism (last time i checked anyway)
@@finlaymcdiarmid5832 communists are against nationalism and are against fascists bc those tend to be the opposite of what they want which is equality while fascist tend to think they’re better than other nationalities to the point they cause genocides. Just because they’re both collectivist doesn’t mean they have the same goal which is communists want to have a world with no class, money, or state and fascist want their certain group based on nationality to be the only ones existing. Also communists want to eliminate hierarchies and fascist think they’re better than other nationalities so that also wouldn’t make any sense
@@mattrdd9 your conflating nazism with facism. There is no racialism in fascism. And communists arent against nationalism they just usually drift towards internationalism. The USSR was definitely nationalistic but they were technically internationalists. Things are very rarely clear cut and simple.
@@finlaymcdiarmid5832 nazism is fascism but for Germany and just because fascism is collectivists doesn’t mean communism is instantly also fascism. Fascism has nationalism and is very opposed to other nationalities and it’s not a big surprise if they were to have ethnic cleansing in their country. Also I’ve known communists over the internet and the one thing they hate the most is fascist because communism is about being equal and fascism leads to things that would make others think they’re better than other groups which causes racism and bigotry
@@mattrdd9 no its not. Fascism is always nationalistic communism can be or cannot be. Nazism is Based on racialism not nationalism thats just added on the top to complement it. Your argument is baseless as Mussolini was not a racist and never endeavored in racist policies, he refered to all Italians as equals.
Great video Mr Beat. You broke the concept down to the simplest form. Thanks bro.
Would be facinated to hear more about what makes someone like Mr Beat comfortable saying that a dictionary definition is wrong. That's super interesting to me (this is well-meaning curiosity btw, this is not meant to be a passive aggressive criticism)
For this case specifically the definition isn’t wrong but the definition is a black and white fallacy. To me facism was never about the way government was set up. It was just the ideology first. Then whatever government and economic system is convenient to best act out that ideology.
In this case, he's a historian, and from a historical perspective, he's right. When we get to dictionaries, there are two types: prescriptivist and descriptivist. The former declares what words should mean, while the latter tries to depict how words are actually used. The OED is a descriptivist dictionary, and that's certainly how a lot of people use the word fascist. But, I think Mr Beat has a more insightful definition. I don't think it's accurate to describe fascism as "right-wing." It tends to be "anti-libertarian." It's anti-free market, anti-individual, very Orwellian and nationalist. Strongly socialist, if you happen to be a member of the right group.
If we're going to talk about what fascism meant in the early 20th century when the word first appeared, Mr Beat is correct. As for what the word means now, it is "anyone you don't like."
@@danbance5799 Where are you getting the idea that fascist movements are anti-individual rather than simply deeply identitarian and authoritarian? They're usually nationalist and bigoted, but not necessarily conformist. They care if you're White or Italian or German or American, or if you oppose or disrupt their movement. They do not, however, have any particular hallmarks of collectivist cultures; like those of some Asian or indigenous American societies. Collectivists compel responsibility to their community. Fascists compel loyalty toward their identity group, their political movement, and their state.
@@duncanmacleod6274 every fascist dictator desired collectivism in their writings. All you have to do is read Bonito Mussolini’s writings. When Portugal experimented with fascism there wasn’t much of a racial component at all.
In addition that is incorrect to say that some of the ancient eastern cultures you are referring to didn’t also express similar traits ( ex. various military like traditions)
@@duncanmacleod6274Really it all comes down to what defines community? In Mussolini’s eyes the country was the community
This comment has been edited so you won't see how it got so many likes.
No, it's mostly the Right who constantly misuse it. You can't both sides this shit.
Lol.
@Humanity Galatica Besides the Bernie or Busters and wokescolds who called Liberals fascists, the "Left" uses it correctly. That's why we've been historically good at pointing out fascists. Fascists have benefited from the ignorance of the rest of the Right, historically, who can't do a simple Google search.
:)
@@mateo255 thing is trump isn't a dictator so you can't really call him a fascist
I know I might be being pedantic, but I don’t think that the explanation covered by ‘Some More News’ is actually that incorrect. The definition he gives talks about how fascism is a reaction against the left and of socialism, Marxism and progressivism, which in many ways it historically was. Giovanni Gentile even wrote in the doctrine of fascism about how it was was in part on a rejection of Marxism and socialist values, and Mussolini himself was in part radicalised to his point of view following the views of the socialist party, including internationalism and class consciousness. This also applies to Hitler, due to his radicalisation in part due to the failed attempted socialist revolution in Germany in 1918. Even is inclusion of how fascism often found alliances with conservative and centeist.views is historically fair, as Mussolini ran his party in a coalition which included liberals and conservative nationalists and Hitler formed a coalition including national conservatives and the very enabeling act to make him Führuh was signed by Zentrum, or the center party.
Miki Boss I agree, I was going to attempt to say something similar but hot damn you said it much better than I could have.
I'm also not a teacher or expert tho. So there's that.
One day, there might be a fascist left dude as a dicktator. See what I did there?
‘Some More News’ definition is as bad as all the other ones. Fascism was more so an reaction to anti collectivist ideals such as liberalism and Libertarianism. Defining fascism is the rejection of libertarian ideals would be equally bad however. Explaining it with just look at how the axis signed an non aggregation pact with the communists and divided up Europe for example.
The reason this is a bad way to define fascism is that it fits a large amount of ideas that are not fascist and also does not apply to a large amount of fascists such as left wing fascists.
Frankly it a definition that is created with the purpose of vilifying the opposition in a very fascist way.
All the ones Mr Beat showed as poor are similar. The closest and best other definition would probable be it is socialism, since it is a form of socialism and socialism rarely exists without at least some amount of fascism.
BR
@@MartinsPrusis I think D'Souzas was actually the best. However I think it can be socialist in nature (as he was saying). Or highly protectionist corporatist in nature.
Nah, incorrect... What you are sayimg more applies to Hitler. Hitler was against Socialism. Mussolini was himself a socialist and based the foundation of his fascism on socialist principles. He actually looked evolve socialsm and looked fascism as the next step as opposed to communism being the next step to socialism. Hitler wasn't a fascist, he just admired Mussolini.
*me clicking on this video thinking “how in the world is Mr. Beast a facist?”
Ask 'Some More News'.
He and 'Renegade-Cut' have the Best on this Topic.
I heard that one day in Italy there was a vote going on. And anybody raising their hand not where the vote was being done was arrested for trying to persuade the vote
>Spends ten minutes defining fascism.
>Actually defines collectivism.
Could you explain it better?
@@hochimane6535 yes:
He defined it as "The idea that the group is more important than the individual." That's oversimplified (inexcusably so). That (collectivism) is just one aspect of fascism. Fascism specifically involves collectivism in the form of Nationalism (usually ethnonationalism). It wasn't an actual principle, rather just a means to an end. The actual desired end was unification of classes within the people and a state controlled economy with a mix of private and public production. All else was a means.
Well, fascism is all about collectvism - a big one collective that appeal to national identity.
But collectivism is not what defines fascism, in fact, collectivism is pretty much in the core of modern socialism as well, but instead of a big collective, socialists tend to divide the society in multiple collectives that appeal to the class struggle aspect (an extended version of class struggle, which is not about proletariat x bourgeois anymore, but about men x women, whites x blacks, gays x straight...) .
Both are enemies of individual freedom and of everything that made the west the pinacle of human civilization. Both are recipes that authoritarian and/or totalitiarian leaders follow in order to ascend to power, increase their power or to just keep their power.
In short, collectivism = cancer. All dictators love it !
So what exactly is fascism?
You do know you can just read the fuckers book right?
“The idea that the group is more important than the individual.”
Guess I’m a fascist then...
Also with that definition, all marxists are fascism as they promote the group above the individual.
That should be the definition of Collectivism, not Fascism.
There's a lot of people that are ideologically close to fascism and don't even know it.
@@aleczaender I would say that Fascism is a more extreme form of Collectivism.
That is a very flawed definition as far as I know
Even individualism is celebrated in fascism, as long as it conforms to the "right type of individualism". I would say that fascism is taking to the extreme the position of "my group is more important than other groups"
_"Even individualism is celebrated in fascism, as long as it conforms to the "right type of individualism"."_
Actually Fascism was rather anti-individualistic ideology. It was purely a collectivist ideology.
@@Historia.Magistra.Vitae. yeah, that's exactly what Mr. Beat says, but we agree to disagree.
@@mister_chispa : What is there to disagree exactly?
Dude, I love your humor and enlightenment. This is a really good video for me, as a computer scientist. Subscribed, Mr. Beat. Keep drumming, Mr. Beat!!
the idea that the group is more important than the individual is literally the definition of what collectivism is
Yes. Read mussolini, he sees fascism as collectivist.
Just not left-wing, but same
@@jajauxhal7846 Yes, all fascists are collectivists but not all collectivists are fascists.
Exactly, so fascism. Fascism is just racist communism.
@@tugaumakouvov7447 I don't think that fully describes what a fascist might consider collectivism. Because a fascist fundamentally defines themselves as in opposition to communism, that "collectivism" has a very specific character that has strong limits on what is considered part of the collective and what is not. Partly because as a project, at the founding of Fascism, communism, and socialism more generally, were defined by their internationalist character, and practice. In actual practice that internationalism was fragile, but fear of being subsumed by "the globalists" (to use a modern phrase) was nonetheless one of the driving factors towards creating these "national identities" where they had not, objectively existed before.
@@tugaumakouvov7447 right, but then we still need to pin down what distinguishes fascists from other collectivists
Fascism and National Socialism are different things. They are similar, but not the same.
national socialsm has RACISM. and socialsim lmao
@Joseph Goebbels Could you please be more respectful? I do know that it is not exact socialsm. It was used in Nazi Germany. That socialsm defends that everything belongs to the government and there isn't any private property that works for it's own good. Left socialsm does not accept Nationalism and of course racism. They also want to exterminate religion.National socialism is more for defending the workers right against patriotic ! bourgeoisie.
@Joseph Goebbels Yea that creates the ideology called corporatism. Where everything belongs to the state but there is private property and capitalizm. So you can create a factory for your own good, but state will have right to control it in order to increase the production around the country. It also defends worker"s right and destroys class struggles. It says that workers and bourgeoise work for the same goal, natinoal economy. Unlike capitalism, workers do not get whipped by the rich class, instead it brings justice to society. This was the economy in Nazi Germany
@Joseph Goebbels I am not a fan of national socialism. National socialism brings racism. That is the whole difference. And even tho corporatism is similar to socialism, there is also private property and companies in corporatism unlike socialism. They are similar but, not the same
@Joseph Goebbels No, Nationalsocialism is a own ideology based in different values than Fascism. Please...
It seems fascism is been reduced to a word to slander political opponents.
Misread the thumbnail as, "Is Mr.Beast Fascist?"
The idea that "the group is more important than the individual" is also what defines Rawlsian communitarians. Might have oversimplified a bit much in this one too 🤣
I thought exactly the same. This definition is still oversimplified.
This is an extreme misreading of Rawls
Oh god yeah it's WAY too reductive, to a point where practically any ideology could be grouped in with it, it totally just eliminates any nuance too.
@@dudeman5303 every ideology besides lineralism
It also defines most of Reddit.
I thought the thumbnail said “is mr beast a fascist?” 😂😂😂
@S̶c̷r̴ip̶̝͘të̵́d̸̔ - 『TGI』 no
@S̶c̷r̴ip̶̝͘të̵́d̸̔ - 『TGI』 I'm by no means lib
Wtf. Mr. Beast based!?
@ཊꖦƬGПꖦཏ S̶c̷r̴ip̶̝͘të̵́d̸̔ so you're alt right?
I thought I saw "Is Mr. Beast a fascist?" in the thumbnail
mr beaaast
Anti-Fascism is the most patriotic activity there is.
I mean it depends on you define anti fascism, you could be referring to modern liberalism, conservatism or leftism. If you consider anti-fascism the polar opposite of fascism it would probably be some kind of extreme individualist anarchism which wouldn't be patriotic at all and not good at all for society or quality of life(basically destroying it)
I disagree. Anti-Nazism and anti-Marxism is the most patriotic. Fascism is patriotic, but I wouldn’t recommend fascism for the common patriot
@@user-pz4tx7if9dFascism is definitely not patriotic lol.
Anti communism enters the chat
poody771
Fascism is patriotism taken to absurd conclusions.
What other words are also currently overused in the current political climate?
Edit: As expected, I am getting a lot of comments explaining how I am oversimplifying the definition of fascism. Well of course I am. I could make a 180-minute video explaining fascism, but that is not the purpose of this video. Keep in mind the primary reason why I made this was to introduce my high school students to fascism. Second, many commenters have made a valid point that my definition is essentially the same thing as collectivism. Fascism pretty much is just forced collectivism, which again gets back to my original definition of "conform or else." Maybe I was right all along?
Mr. Beat
Nazism, and technically equality and liberty they can mean a range of things depending on who are using these words.
Communism.
Nazi
Racist
Facist
White Supremacist
Libtard
Socialist
Commie
And it goes on and on and on and on and on......
Words that I feel are overused (My only problem when a word us overused in politics is when it's inncorect):
Nazi
Fascist
Socialist
Racist
Communist
Democratic Socialist
Marxist
Liberal (Or Libtard)
Cuck (Or cuckservative)
Classical Liberal
At least those are the most prevalent ones.
Liberal and Conservative. They are used as massive umbrellas to classify political views. Example: Fascism and Libertarians would both be under “Comservative”, rven though some people hear “Liber-“ and assume libertarian is left wing; Liberal, “Liber-“.
I read the title as “is MrBeast a Fascist?”
First Last me too hahaha
First Last lmao same
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Bro I did that too lmao
This comment section is a cesspool of either a) people who didnt watch the video or b) bots/trolls.
Now that I learned what fascism is, where do I sign up?
Personally, I find Umberto Eco's Ur-Fascism to be a good starting point when working backwards. Essentially, fascism is when ultranationalism is the primary driving force of policy.
palinogenetic is important in fascism. The point is that the country needs to achieve pure nationalism through rebirth and cleansing.
I don't really think you understood what Eco said.
@Krisbugajew11-11 well Eco condidered comunism as a form of fascism. He also said that Fascism is not simply tyranny: there is the idea of an ideology of imposing an ideology to a society. It's not just a warlord imposing his authority with violence.
@@XHitsugaX im sure Mussolini once stated anybody that lives in italy is italian and is cool with me basically. So i dont know were that comes from also he barely did any "purifying" historically he only deported a few thousand bourgeois jews because of pressure from hitler he actually deported enrico fermi which wasnt a very pro gamer move
You should read the article by Onar Am, titled "The radical left's surprising connection to Fascism". and in fact, Fascism is in essence collectivist, is anti-freedom/anti-individualist, anti-capitalist, using propaganda and therefore typical ideology on the left. The lies from the left that are believed by the majority of people are based on pseudo-arguments, for example that Fascism is on the right, because fascists eliminated socialists and communists.
there can be a multi-ethnic fascist state as long as "the group" agrees with a single idea/culture and that's according to your simple definition of fascism just saying.
There cant be any multi ethnic nation without an overwhelming super majority of the dominant ethnicity regardless of fascistic leadership
Historically, Fascism is the system of governance that is implemented for the purpose of enforcing communism and socialism which are social orders that determine the equitable distribution of resources for a population.
Fascism is a nationalistic authoritarian system of governance. This includes nationalization and Distribution of marketable resources, such as energy and healthcare.
Modern political rhetoric commonly infers a right or left difference between fascism and socialism and or communism, however in practice fascism is what is used to enforce socialism and communism. The arguments for either are mostly semantics, as an authoritarian system is necessitated to provide a motivation to sustain these orders, which are purposefully designed to economically subjugate a working population.
The greatest difference between a purely fascist system and a socialist system may be how private equity is awarded or determined by merit. Private ownership of residence may be achieved and for some outside the governing establishment a greater level of prosperity may also be achieved from individual production if permitted by the state. However the state reserves the right to seize or purpose production if it is required to serve the nation.
Communism insist all production is only purposed to serve the collective.
Though definitions insist there is no private equity retained or distributed with communism, there is always a wealthier ruling class, as every order requires a sorted political class to determine the measures of distributions. Entitling selected individuals to enrich themselves from the productions of their subjugates or the collective. A collective is of course just another word for nation.
No matter how anyone tries to spin it. There is very little difference between these systems of governance. All are a means of authoritarian economic subjugation. Slave labor states for the ruling classes. For which there are ranks. Entertainers and propagandist exist as extensions of the ruling class of every system. Ranking above educators, police and resource administrators.
I don't think I should take up more space getting any deeper than that.
@Xeta multi ethnically, no.
@Xeta because people naturally divide and form in group communities in segregation and advocate for the group's rights, dividing the nation
@Xeta I'm not arguing for a free market.
"The group is more important than the individual" is true for basically every political ideology except maybe libertarianism.
It's the extreme end of colectivism.
I'd argue that authoritarian ideologies, in practice, use collectivist ideas to disguise the appropriation of wealth and power for the use of the supreme leader(s).
It's not true for the American constitution..., which at its core are the rights that protect the individual from the collective.
Democrats are complete npcs who care more about the group than themselves. And they vote in lockstep. Conservatives are a party of individuals who rarely agree on anything. Democrats are fascists.
How the hell do you talk about fascism without ever covering reactionary ideology, its the key idea which sets fascism apart from the broader authoritarian spectrum.
“Fascism is just communism but Gay”
-Joseph Stalin
"Communism is just Fascism but poor"
- Adolf Hitler (no really)
@@Azoonaloc13 and also you're confusing nazism as fascism classic move
@@mcwaff8661
whooooooooshh
@Iblis König ive literally written an academic summary on mein kampf you dumbass
Fascism hates people who are of the "gay" variety. Do you know how many LGBTQ+ people were killed under Fascism? 15,000, max!
This video seems like it muddied the waters even more 😂
Yeah, what he defines in the video is collectivism, which isn't exclusive to Fascism. Hell, you can even make legitimate arguments that Fascism is individualist like Evola.
Misused words don’t deserve accurate definition. We simply need other words to label the concept we want to convey.
@@uncreativename9936 yeah if you make a video on fascism and don't include any political scholars you are just talking out your ass.
@@roundrockb Did you even watch the whole video?
@@WaterVolt1917 not only have I watched his video twice now, but I've looked at the sources he cites and none of them are political scholars or academic papers. They are articles. This man is not only just stating an assumption but is putting out misinformation about the topic he is trying to present
You must have been an exceptional History teacher.
I still cringe so hard at the PragerU definition of fascism
That definition is correct though, and historically accurate.
to be completely fair contrapoint's definition was worse
ContraPoints and Some More News make most sense, PragerU simply projectiles and diverts all their problems to the Left like they always do, and Fox News... let's just say they wasn't even giving a definition.
Pretty sure you defined collectivism, which was a trait fascism shared with many other ideologies at its peak.
Can you explain it better?
@@hochimane6535 me?.
Yeah, I'm curious
@@hochimane6535 There isn't really a way to describe it, I have a few books about fascism one made by Mussolini but its difficult to explain. Mr beat wasn't exactly wrong but he could have gone more in-depth.
@@yigglyyetard3043 why is there always some spa with that profile pic in literally every political comment section?
"First the fatherland, then the Movement, then the men"
- Juan Domingo Perón
"Mussolini was the greatest man of our century, but he committed certain disastrous errors. I, who have the advantage of his precedent before me, shall follow in his footsteps but also avoid his errors."
“Italian Fascism led popular organizations to an effective participation in national life, which had always been denied to the people. Before Mussolini’s rise to power, the nation was on one hand and the worker on the other, and the latter had no involvement in the former. […] In Germany happened exactly the same phenomenon, meaning, an organized state for a perfectly ordered community, for a perfectly ordered population as well: a community where the state was the tool of the nation, whose representation was, under my view, effective. I thought that this should be the future political form, meaning, the true people’s democracy, the true social democracy"
Juan Perón
@@elmascapo6588 fascist*
@@elmascapo6588 which isnt socialism lmao
@@elmascapo6588 hitler imprisoned all communists and socialists before he even touched the jews...
@@elmascapo6588 he killed them for being socialist
8:51 "Making the mother of all omelettes here, Jim. Can't fret over every egg!"
Describing fascism is almost like describing Jazz. Theres a lot of elements, you sortof know it when you see it, but idk if it can be precisely defined
Other peoples personal definitions are wrong, proceeds to give personal definition
I like how he casually states that the Oxford dictionary is wrong
@@brainguide20 I dont know if his definition is wrong or not, but the Oxford dictionary's definition was terribly wrong and dangerously at that
@@NoOne-kx2hk he defined utilitarianism dead on rather than fascism
he still did much better than Oxford dictionary is all I am saying. Didnt like his definition either I merely enjoyed the discussion, but still the fact is that Oxford dictionary has it so wrong its like they are out of topic
@@NoOne-kx2hk can you define it in a sentence?
There's a TH-camr by the name of "TIK" who goes into more detail about fascism. The one thing we tend to overlook is that Fascism grew out of opposition to Communism specifically. Definitely give that video a look.
WOW! Great explanation! I had world history over 40 years ago.....but I really understand your presentation! Thanx! Kudos on the illustration of the single broken twig!
Mussolini "breaking away" of the Italian Socialist Party is kind of underselling it, he was kicked out - forcibly removed.
Yeah because he was basically only interested in gaining power and had a humongous boner for war. Weird guy
As a political scientist at this point, I think his definition is wrong. Most political scholars agree that fascism is exclusively an authoritarian system of government. I can't think of any non-authoritarian fascist ideology or movement that would prove that wrong. Typically, when we do refer to it as an ideology, it is specifically to the corporatist policies that followed under Mussolini, though obviously there had been so-called proto-fascist writers in the 1800s
He doesn't even site a source for that definition! That's the worst part of this video!
i got a good definition that best describes fascism. it's self made but you might like
True, there are people who claim to believe in libertarian fascism but I think that's an oxymoron much like libertarian socialism.
Take a good look at Oswald Mosley. I’d he were to create a dictatorship, the entire empire would likely fall apart due to complications with parliament. So whilst it would most likely be anocratic it would not be autocratic.
Communism is also Authoritarian as ironically is Liberalism when threatened. The crucial difference between Communism and Fascism is the Economic structure. Communists believe in the state owning everything and running everything until theoretically the State "withers" away. Fascists believe that private ownership is fine so long as the State controls the company or person for the good of the State. Fascists are Corporatists other wise known as Guild Socialism. China under Moa was Communist but modern day China is in Fact Fascist despite the ruling party being called Communist. The World Economic Forum is also Fascist in its Economic structural aspirations. Fascism it a turn of abuse but many are Fascists without intending harm to any one. Britain under the Labour party from 1945 to 1950 was really a Fascist nation. Indeed the same could be said of Britain from 1939 to 1950 which is an interesting irony. Fascism as an ideology only came to an end in 1979 under Margaret Thatcher in Britain. Thanks to Globalisation Fascism is having a renaissance as the State increasingly controls and regulates Corporations and is influenced by them eg the World Economic Forum.
@@ManiacMayhem7256 What is it?
3:30 ... that's not fascism, that is collectivism.
@@thebestofallworlds187 did you just ans Ur own comment
@@thebestofallworlds187 what?
@@microwavecucumber6 that the group is more important than the individual is broader that fascism, which is just an aspect of collectivism. Communism is much worse and puts a collective above individuals. both don't honestly consider individuals- but individuals who belong to a specific group. With communism, it pits one collective against the other- the bourgeoisie vs. the proletariat. With fascism, it pits the majority race against a minority race who has taking control of the majority race's country.
@@thebestofallworlds187"Race! It is a feeling not a reality. Ninety-five percent at least, is a feeling. Nothing will ever make me believe that biologically pure races can be shown to exist today. National Pride has no need for the delirium of race."
-Mussolini.
“Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power.” - Benito Mussolini, 1935
fake quote, not real
I like how he debunks claims made by others but then goes and subliminaly makes the same claims
How
How
I believe that the term “fascism” should be used very carefully and mostly when describing history. The idea of fascism is very broad and narrow at the same time (depending on who you ask) and is there by not a good choice for describing complex, still ongoing political movements or people. There are enough well defined words out there, which do not have such a strange and horrible history; why don’t we use them more?
Use it when the word is accurate that is all
@@BlackStar-hy1iy yah I agree with this response. just because a word has a lot of historical baggage doesn't mean it can't be applied to modern contexts or less extreme contexts. If a given example fits the agreed upon definition of fascism then you should use that word to describe it, at that point the only people that benefit from us choosing not to identify fascism as fascist are the fascists that don't want the stigma of fascism attached to them.
All the people..., throughout all the years..., that have used fascist as a slur, without knowing what it is, do not have the right to redefine it.
Everything you’ve said applies to literally any political science term, such as “republic” or “socialism” - when people get all pilpulistic about the “definition” of fascism (a wrongheaded way to approach the study of material systems and events anyway, just my opinion) it tends to lend unearned credence to the right-wing urge to laugh off any usage of such terminology as totally vacuous. Like the person above me, perhaps. Yes analyzing broader reactionary politics requires a relatively careful discussion that is not centered around a single red-hot word that apparently makes everyone break out in hives, but that’s already what any given reasonable discussion within political science looks like regardless
Well the Fascist party of Italy had a manifesto, it's not hard to search for and you can find out for yourself by reading it, not hard really is it. A quick summary is that Italy and Germany, formerly major powers were squeezed out by Anglo American Capitalism on the one hand and Soviet Communism on the other. Neither Germany or Italy wanted to be dominated by Britain/America or Russia so they developed their own alternatives which were neither Capitalist or Socialist but had some elements of both. The German version placed a great emphasis on race and the Italian version didn't mention race at all.
Willy Hill also there’s the Romanians, the legion of Michael the Archangel whom were more practicing Christians. There’s a book called For my legionaries and prison notes
What about the British fascists though
@@Seeanwheresmyjumper Mosley had a book you can easily find a pdf of that was a FAQ for fascism
Thank god someone has read a bit on the topic.
"Tends to be right wing"
In his research of Mussolini did he purposefully overlook his strong socialist background and his mentioning that socialism formed the basis of his fascism?
You just described Antifa...
I now understand way better. Thank you for the puppet part.
A friend of mine studied Central European history. What he told me was basically, Facism is a highly specific word for a broad set of characteristics. His opinion was of all the definitions of Facism he had come across, palingenetic ultranationalism was the nearest one. But even then that definition is also really broad and really specific at the same time and he felt there was issues with it.
Fantastic video BTW not commenting to be a "Well actually". I just think it's important to note that regardless of the field of studies, when it comes to theories experts can have really broad and varied interpretations of the same characteristics.
Wouldn’t a more accurate source instead of friends opinion be there writings of Gentile, one of the architects of Fascist Italy. It is a form of socialism, with an emphasis on national identity. All socialist states are not fascist, but all fascist states are socialist.
@@vinnyfrancone3567 No because authoritarianism is more closely aligned with fascism.
@@rightousIke ridiculous premise. Easel in authorization? Stalin? pol pot? North Korea? In your head all are ‘right’ wing. In reality none of those are. All Marxist
Lenin. Ypo
@@rightousIke Lenin. Typo
You just explained authoritarianism. You could easily apply your oversimplified definition to communism.
You need more distinctive traits of fascism in your definition.
Agreed, he focused too much on the "instruments" of enforcement, that say NOTHING about the ideology itself and were used by others too.
It would’ve been more interesting if he gave Oswald Mosley some attention. He literally advocated for non-intervention and believed in the parliamentary system of the UK.
You mean, “You need more distinctive traits of fascism in your definition... to fit my world view.”
KeeperOfKale no mate we are not socialists what just make shit up, needs to be facts
No because communism by definition and in theory doesnt have to lead to authoritarianism
There (fortunately) hasn’t been many fascist governments over a long period of time, therefore a strong definition is only representative of the few examples. Thus the definition is more specific to Italian or German fascism, compared to general fascism as there hasn’t been many.
Given the origins and meaning of the word, you should have mentioned the Roman concept of the dictator as a strong leader in times of crisis, this was heavily idolized and probably inspired Mussolini
Yeah it’s why Benny attached an ax to his fasces, and made no effort to include a symbol of peace to temper the message of violence and authoritarianism.
The puppet show was unexpected, but highly appreciated!
Glad you liked it!
Fashizum is sayin stuff I don’t like hearing. Hashtag resist
Such bravery
@@ImNotJoshPotter That's racist Josh, and we know who you are we doxxed you
@@quinnluscinski1805 Can't you read? I'm clearly *not* Josh.
@@ImNotJoshPotter Then who are you? Doxxed.
@@ImNotJoshPotter L I T E R A L L Y R A C I S T
You can't find 10 historians / professors in a row who will provide the same definition fascism.
1) Nationalist
2) Statist
3) Militarist
5) Corporatist
6) All classes cooperating for the state
7) Physical / mental fitness / hardiness
Okay but you can find one fascist who defines what it is, Mussolini, the original fascist, and he says it’s a form of ultra nationalism.
According to my grandpa, who lived in Franco's spain, fascism would be "the group is more important than the individual, but my group (Country/Nation) is inherently superior than any other, and must therefore purge whoever is "polluting" the Nation's greatness (usually a made-up bogus group) to maintain a unified and ' naturally pure' model group". All this in a corporative economy in which the sate owns the means of priduction with hirearchal structures in which in order to ascend on your job and/or get a decent salary you need to ascend in the militsry (protectors of the Nation). It usually involves the revival of a "mythical" past and imperial ambitions (to restore the country's alleged greatness). The people are mobilized against bogus groups who are conspiring against the nation to 'make it fail'. Basically: Totalitarian Ultranationalism.
YOU JUST WANT TO CLARIFY IT SO PEOPLE KNOW YOUR VIEWS, MR BEAT OR SHOULD I SAY MR BEATO MOUSSILINI!!!!
Nah, fascism is not hip.
that was funny
Lol that was funny BUT NOT TRUE!
Exposed
@zyzz i choose communism
Men now a days are tired of Liberty, men now a days want rule by the few.
-Benito Mussolini 1923
Benito should "tell that to Kanjiclub" -- Star Wars: The Force Awakens.
I wrote a paper for school a couple years back on what kind of government Germany had under Hitler, was is socialism or was it capitalism was the crux of it, and what the meaning of fascism meant as it applied to Germany and other countries, and the long and short of what my research taught me about fascism is that there is no concrete definition as it applies to fascism but instead it is much more of a checklist of characteristics and similarities that fascist countries have with one another and as you check off the boxes on the list you can show how a country (or regime) is increasingly more and more fascist.
A lot of people tend to confuse the situation when it comes to political theories and economic ones. Socialism/Marxism is economic, Fascism is political. They are not mutually exclusive systems. Though each one will tell you they are.
EDIT: I am by the way not conflating the two or saying anyone's theoretical government or actual government is an amalgamation of the two currently, just that economic theories of how things can work do not necessarily exclude certain forms of governance.
in case you don’t know hitlers government was a socialist regime 👍👍👍
Fun fact: the solute in fascism is the one from the Roman Empire featuring an arm raising up but sometimes the arm is placed on the left side of the chest from the right hand and then fully extended to it going up
Hey vsause mr beat here
What is facism
I should have done that. lol
Facism? Do you mean fascism
Or is it ?
>durr lets just give unlimited power to the majority opinion even if its wrong
"democracy"
Better than giving unlimited power to a handful of economic elites or unelected bureaucrats
This comment has struck a chord with me, as a few days ago the notion came to mind that "democracy" is literally destroying Europe from the inside out. Like it's just turned into a freak show of stupidity, politicians can only promise and promote what they think the majority will vote for and the majority and dumb.
@knights templar lol but I think you'll find that's the very freak show I'm talking about.
@@longnoseboi I think there could be a grain of truth in what you say although I wouldn't say intentionally kept dumb. I would say kept dumb by all the entertainment we are surrounded by, crap tv, crap video games. No real need to work due to the benefits system, shit music that promotes drugs and violence. 90% of people I meet refuse to pick up a book. I'm a basic working-class guy and compared to most of my family I'm a fucking genius.
@@longnoseboi "At the very least they're not in a hurry to do anything about it.
" I think this is very close to the truth, but I'm starting to believe nothing can be done about it you see, our school system is not the best here in the UK but the teachers try hard and unless it's one teacher per child I don't see much room for improvement, I know a lot of the parents and children and I will put it bluntly (at least here) probably a quarter of the kids are as thick as fuck, they are not going to do well in school, which is fine there are plenty of jobs that don't require a person to be school smart, no amount of education is going to improve somebodies intelligence. Then the middle of the road kids kind of scrap through like myself. I see the education system as a dragnet it is designed to make sure that the kids that are born with intelligence can rise to the top and most everyone else just take what you can from it and that's probably the best that can be done. Just a quick point obedience must! come before critical thinking or anything else, without obedience, order and structure ingrained into the children I tell you now 90% of them would not listen or do a dam thing nor would most adults. I'm surrounded by crazy fucking street rats who weren't taught obedience or discipline, it's a bad idea!
"People aren't really "meant" to be controlled " I used to believe this when I was younger, now I believe totally the opposite, people make bad decisions we need a strong culture and a set of beliefs that do the heavy lifting for us, too much freedom equates to dumb life decisions, making the same mistakes as the generation before, the west was better off when guided by Christianity and I'm an atheist saying that, watched so many friends just piss there life down the pan it's unreal, no partner, no children, no career just a PlayStation and a bad weed habit.
I think a lot of people could do better but a lot of them "are" inherently dumb and need to be told exactly how to live unfortunately I believe people are inherently selfish as fuck also which makes trusting the elites a none option.
That 2 minute puppet show was enlightening
Anytime someone says Fascism is bad, I point them to Hiawatha and the Iroquois; A group of people banded together to keep peace between warring tribes.
Drinking game: everytime you hear "ism" do a shot
I'll Turn into alcoholism.
Then deadism.
Eventually buriedism.
I think the defining trait of fascism is exclusion. Scapegoating, intimidation and violence as viable political solutions (instead of debate, compromise, & cooperation) seem to be a major part of it too.
There is definitely a 'group' component, but said group is ideologically & often culturally (though not necessarily) exclusive. They'll tolerate other out groups, as long as they remain neutral, but they will not trust them.
There's also the paradoxical nature of the opposition simultaneously being a weakness that needs to be purged & an all-powerful enemy that poses an existential threat to the country, culture or whatever.
Fascists never engage in good faith with their perceived enemies either because, to them, politics is a zero sum game.
If, say, everyone were to be given food and shelter, that would mean they'd have to do with less, in their mind. And that's unacceptable.
Also, just want to throw in this quote from Sarte bc it's semi-relevant:
"Never believe that anti-Semites (which, let's be frank, are often fascist*) are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past."
*not part of the original quote
Anyway, I don't think fascism can really be simplified because it isn't so simple
But I'm just a guy so what do I know
@@klassik109 Do what? Exclude others? That's true (to a point) but they still work together toward common goals and compromise and form coalitions.
Also, not all ideologies blame immigrants, gays, trans, Jews, liberals, socialists & communits for all that's evil in the world and think execution is a rational solution to get rid of them.
Perhaps violence and bigotry are the defining traits of fascism, then. Idk.
@@irighterotica You sound really ignorant.
@@irighteroticahat definition would also include many Socialist countries as well. Many communist countries practiced ethnic cleansing(see pol pot) and religious persecution.
@@Argonhubert The thing about that is... there are people (even on the left) who say that, and those who also deny it. Its a difficult topic because again, its so nebulous.
What you said also continues to prove the point its nebulous and a definition for the ideology (or even common things about it) is difficult.
Is it just government getting too powerful?
Is it restricted to certain economic systems?
How does it get into power?
So many things.
@@Loregamorl good point!
I feel like another important way fascist leaders rise to power is by appealing to the idea of former greatness. For example, with Mussolini, it was returning Italy to the state of the Roman Empire, and for Hitler, it was returning Germany to the era of the Reich
mr beaaast
I mean, I still think the Oxford Dictionary’s definition is pretty spot on.
At first I didn't understand a single thing you said. But then the puppets came out and I understood everything. Thanks Mr. Beat!
It kinda looked the way MAGA was going
@@govimodo9231 nah I think it's more like the woke left wing
@@TheDankBoi69 then you don’t understand fascism. At all.
@@TheDankBoi69 but Biden is hardly a cult of personality. A majority of democrats don't even want him to run again... Trump on the other hand has merchandise and stans. And if anybody within his circle had the slightest criticism of him they were expelled and made an enemy.
@@govimodo9231 I would say in some ways it's both. For instance, talking bad about the collective is forbidden, scapegoating all their problems. Using lethal force (deplatforming/ cancellation). They have a lot of parallels
"The group is more important than the invidual" is not the decription of fascism, it's literally the description of Collectivism. Here's the real definition: "An ideology based on national unity, corporatism and communitarianism". This is the only way to describe fascism as it tends to be very diverse from nation to nation or even person to person. (Also if somebody would not know, corporatism is the idea of organizing the economy in autonomous groups, such as labour unions). Also, let us not mix communitarianism with communism or communalism.
Sounds about right.
"The group is more important than the invidual" as a definition of fascism is PragerU level of bullshit. In the video, Mr Bear recaps the history of fascist origins and literally traces it to reactionary movements from about the time of the French Revolution, so the definition of Some More News as a "reaction" movement is not entirely wrong: fascist rejected liberalism, parliamentarism and democracy, and also socialism and communism
@@Tomicalify I disagree with thr idea that fascism is a reactionary idea, as originates from Italy, from the ideas of Giovanni Gentile and Benito Mussolini. Mussolini was a leftist, part of thr so called "syndicalist movement". Which following the Russian revolution was split between Communists, Social democrats and the national syndicalists, the later became the fascists. That's it. While nazism came from german "volkisch movement" which was a reactionary, traditionalist, far right movement. But fascism was not. Sure, they are synoymes today, but they were not back then.
1stly: 2 comments are invisible for me
2ndly: I would expand your definition to be;
"an authoritarian ideleogy based on jingoism, national unity {nationalist collectivism}, national rebirth/revival, chauvinism, corperatism and communitarianism"
As key features of fascist states has been authoritarianism and jingoism. Aswell as their chauvinistic attitudes to the nation/culture as they define it. And they often justify their actions on 'rebirth/revitalisation' rhetoric.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 well I would not say chauvinism. I mean, there have been quite a lot of fascist ideologies that promoted it, but there have been the Brazilian integralists and Spanish falangists who were not chauvinists. But to be fair, fascism such a big tent term that it's hard to explain. There are some forms of it that are crazy ideas, but some have ideas that we could learn from.
Palingenetic Ultranationalism works best for me. Wiki has a concise treatment of it, as much as the topic can be since it is more of a suite of attributes
Fascism can also be considered as a third position (between communism / marxist socialism & capitalism / liberal democracy) or a conservative / nationalist socialism.
Now not all forms of fascism are inherently racist or colonialist ().
@@pavelm.gonzalez8608 I have a hard time accepting positions between marquee labels like capitalism and communism (ie treated as synonymous with Soviet system). These are labels assigned by ideologies and their assertions about themselves rather than factual social and economic dynamics.
I think a big part of why fascism is hard to describe or explain is because historically fascist tend to be pretty pragmatic in their methods.
They don’t really get caught up on the methods, rather they just focused on the end goal.
You see it a lot with a modern day fascist, who will bluntly say. “I want a European ethnostate, weather that’s through socialism or capitalism, I could give a fuck less”.
Because from their point of view, policies are just a side issue and as long as you just have the right stock of people running things, everything else will work itself out.
Not really, it's just because for some reason people keep calling things that aren't Fascism, like National Socialism, Fascism.
Also if a "Fascist" tells you he wants capitalism then he can't be a fascist since fascism requires the state to run the economy through the Trade Unions (called Fascio in Italian at the time, hence where the name comes from). And if the state is running the economy, that isn't capitalist.
This is very accurate. Fascism has always justified their actions post-hoc rather than inventing any sort of overarching theory as you find in Marxism. This is why, although they are far-right in their strict hierarchical conception of society, their economic policies aren't always what we otherwise associate with the far right.