You did it!! Very early in the morning but you have the best determination to get on every special transperth service whether it was the A series express trains or the first and last trains before and after a shutdown, your dedication to get historical recordings is unreal!
I'm in Sydney right now and coming back to Perth tommorow. The fact you woke up very early to do this shows you're amazing commitment. Can't wait to get back home, but I liked Sydney. Im pretty sure the 7:14am Perth service comes from Rockingham, I checked on google maps, if I'm correct.
Looking at the timetable, this K pattern is the first train to run at the 5min frequency in the morning, reaching Cockburn just before 7, and the City by 0715hrs - at least between Cockburn and Perth, this was traditionally the busiest time of the morning. Transperth likes to schedule a transition into and out of the peak periods (the so-called "shoulder" of the peak) on the buses, and given many of them feed trains, it makes sense the trains would be doing something similar. As someone riding with you mentioned, running the K pattern allows the train to return in the peak direction a bit sooner than it otherwise would by going all the way to Mandurah and back again; it slots the train back into the peak direction, where demand will be highest. So I would say this is a good example of efficient timetabling today, even though it could have roots in the rolling stock shortage that persisted well into the 2010s, when there were barely enough trains to run the service predominantly with 2 & 3-car sets and every timetabling efficiency would help control the peak vehicle requirement. There was even a Fremantle to Perth Express (there is still a video of that on YT) for a while, which I imagine was basically a dead run that carried passengers as an afterthought. At some point in the future (I think it was post-2030, when the new signalling has rolled out, no doubt), short-working services will be terminating at Rockingham in addition to Cockburn, so effectively three tiers of 10min services will exist, giving a peak frequency of 10mins, 5-6mins or 3-4mins depending where on the line you're boarding.
Yeah just seems weird that only one service goes to Rockingham to provide extra capacity. I know about that Fremantle Line train, it was actually in the height of peak though so that would have been really useful for commuters to get into the city 10 minutes faster. I've never seen the video, do you have the link to it? I've heard about Rockingham becoming a regular terminus too. But how's that going to work? Will they be building new sidings?
With regards to short working services once high capacity signalling is installed, they’ll probably have Clarkson K patterns during the peak as well as a 3 tier peak system for the Joondalup line if they’re going to do that with the Mandurah line since there’ll be Yanchep
@@TransportofPerth It looks like after this one K pattern, the 5min service runs out of Mandurah for about half an hour. Three services at 5mins, then a 10min gap (W pattern starting at Cockburn), another three services, then into 10min frequency. Those trains would likely be coming out of the Mandurah depot. Not sure what will happen to make Rockingham a terminus. It might be they have enough of a gap between trains to quickly change ends or even swap drivers, but I can't say for certain. We'll have to watch and wait. The only video I could find was Fremantle to Claremont Express from 11yrs ago, my bad. th-cam.com/video/Y0uTXMqdDzE/w-d-xo.html On the timetables, it looks like the timing of it was just right to avoid catching up the preceding A pattern too much - but then reports from not long before the service was withdrawn suggested it could take someone "several goes" to actually experience a full non-stop service if the preceding train ran late. Personally I think it was too late in the morning to be of any benefit to commuters - good idea, bad execution. Very few buses (only the 548, 549 historically, plus the 532 since it got those extra trips) properly connect with the train at Fremantle anyway, so it was probably tricky to get there in time for that specific service by bus.
hey mark great video as always. im quite sure that the signal at rockingham with the 4 white dots that are diagonal ontop of our standerd railway signal are called 'feather' signals. hope that helps (feather signals are a UK name, so it might be different name in australia)
Yeah you did it congratulations. Oh and btw I found out that the C series train which will be running on the Joondalup line is coming into service in February 🎉
There was a random poorly written news article from The West Australian saying that they interviewed Rita and she said they will come next month. Don't know how well you can believe that though.
When did you record this video, as I was down at the river going on a surf cat? Also if it was today did you see the seaplane? Also that was sick you got to see the cab.
You did it!! Very early in the morning but you have the best determination to get on every special transperth service whether it was the A series express trains or the first and last trains before and after a shutdown, your dedication to get historical recordings is unreal!
I'm in Sydney right now and coming back to Perth tommorow. The fact you woke up very early to do this shows you're amazing commitment. Can't wait to get back home, but I liked Sydney. Im pretty sure the 7:14am Perth service comes from Rockingham, I checked on google maps, if I'm correct.
Looking at the timetable, this K pattern is the first train to run at the 5min frequency in the morning, reaching Cockburn just before 7, and the City by 0715hrs - at least between Cockburn and Perth, this was traditionally the busiest time of the morning. Transperth likes to schedule a transition into and out of the peak periods (the so-called "shoulder" of the peak) on the buses, and given many of them feed trains, it makes sense the trains would be doing something similar. As someone riding with you mentioned, running the K pattern allows the train to return in the peak direction a bit sooner than it otherwise would by going all the way to Mandurah and back again; it slots the train back into the peak direction, where demand will be highest. So I would say this is a good example of efficient timetabling today, even though it could have roots in the rolling stock shortage that persisted well into the 2010s, when there were barely enough trains to run the service predominantly with 2 & 3-car sets and every timetabling efficiency would help control the peak vehicle requirement. There was even a Fremantle to Perth Express (there is still a video of that on YT) for a while, which I imagine was basically a dead run that carried passengers as an afterthought.
At some point in the future (I think it was post-2030, when the new signalling has rolled out, no doubt), short-working services will be terminating at Rockingham in addition to Cockburn, so effectively three tiers of 10min services will exist, giving a peak frequency of 10mins, 5-6mins or 3-4mins depending where on the line you're boarding.
Yeah just seems weird that only one service goes to Rockingham to provide extra capacity. I know about that Fremantle Line train, it was actually in the height of peak though so that would have been really useful for commuters to get into the city 10 minutes faster. I've never seen the video, do you have the link to it?
I've heard about Rockingham becoming a regular terminus too. But how's that going to work? Will they be building new sidings?
With regards to short working services once high capacity signalling is installed, they’ll probably have Clarkson K patterns during the peak as well as a 3 tier peak system for the Joondalup line if they’re going to do that with the Mandurah line since there’ll be Yanchep
@@TransportofPerth It looks like after this one K pattern, the 5min service runs out of Mandurah for about half an hour. Three services at 5mins, then a 10min gap (W pattern starting at Cockburn), another three services, then into 10min frequency. Those trains would likely be coming out of the Mandurah depot.
Not sure what will happen to make Rockingham a terminus. It might be they have enough of a gap between trains to quickly change ends or even swap drivers, but I can't say for certain. We'll have to watch and wait.
The only video I could find was Fremantle to Claremont Express from 11yrs ago, my bad. th-cam.com/video/Y0uTXMqdDzE/w-d-xo.html
On the timetables, it looks like the timing of it was just right to avoid catching up the preceding A pattern too much - but then reports from not long before the service was withdrawn suggested it could take someone "several goes" to actually experience a full non-stop service if the preceding train ran late. Personally I think it was too late in the morning to be of any benefit to commuters - good idea, bad execution. Very few buses (only the 548, 549 historically, plus the 532 since it got those extra trips) properly connect with the train at Fremantle anyway, so it was probably tricky to get there in time for that specific service by bus.
I saw a 4 car a series heading towards witfrods the other day
Yeah, they've been running them whenever there has been a stadium event during peak hour.
that is a w intro mark!
I always know there was a service, running from Perth at 5:57 to 6:31 on the Mandurah line from Perth to Rockingam and then the Other way at 6:37
00:11 hey thats my friend in your intro :D
hey mark great video as always. im quite sure that the signal at rockingham with the 4 white dots that are diagonal ontop of our standerd railway signal are called 'feather' signals. hope that helps (feather signals are a UK name, so it might be different name in australia)
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Saw this during full day closures b4 but both sides' to Perth so it's not confusing
Yeah you did it congratulations.
Oh and btw I found out that the C series train which will be running on the Joondalup line is coming into service in February 🎉
Link?
There was a random poorly written news article from The West Australian saying that they interviewed Rita and she said they will come next month. Don't know how well you can believe that though.
@@TransportofPerthyeah I agree I found out about it from my father when he was watching the news at 7 or 6 at night
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👌 instresting. 😂
W intro
When did you record this video, as I was down at the river going on a surf cat? Also if it was today did you see the seaplane? Also that was sick you got to see the cab.
In the description. Two days ago. K pattern doesn't even run on Sundays.
@@TransportofPerth Oh ok well thanks for responding
I recorded a video for this and the file got lost 😭
And how do you have the same music for your intro? The built in photos editor was taken away…
You can redownload it as the Photos Legacy app but I also have the audio saved anyway.
@@TransportofPerth I can’t find that app anywhere, searched it on Microsoft Store
@@CJTheAllrounder You can get it from the settings menu within the photos app
@@055f00Windows never make things obvious these days lol
2024intro us good