Should You Buy a 2023 Honda CR-V Hybrid? Thorough Review by A Mechanic
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- A Mechanic Reviews the 2023 Honda CR-V Hybrid. Should You Buy One?
In this video we take a look at the 2023 Honda CR-V Hybrid. We start with a proper technical review under the hood then underneath the car.
Then we look at the exterior and interior. And then we look at some features you might not have known existed. Then we talk about some things we don't like about it.
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0:00 Intro
0:33 Under The Hood
11:26 Under The Car
18:36 Exterior Review
28:10 Interior Review
33:16 Things You Did not Know About It
34:52 Things I Don't Like About It
36:18 Should You Buy One? - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
As an engineer, I LOVE this reviewers’ car reviews. He tells me so much more than most reviewers do re: car specs.
Same. I’m not even interested in buying any of these cars but I can’t help but watch. He’s just enjoyable to watch and listen to, and LEARN from, and it’s not every day such a talented and effective communicator comes along.
This guy and Savagegeese...are some of the best.
@@BigBear-- Personally, I also like Scotty Kilmer because I'm also cheap and I don't like to pay for knick-knacks that add cost to car repairs. I like keeping my cars for a long time so I don't have car payments. I'm currently driving a 2009. I haven't had car payments since 2012, LOL.
Yeah, these cars are reliable to say 150k miles, what happens after that? Scotty focuses on longevity.
What I don't save on gas by not driving a hybrid, I more than save by not having car payments.
@@FM-gv7sbCool Story Bro🥱
@@FM-gv7sb 150K miles for the average driver means 10-12 years of ownership. When we say 150K reliable miles, usually means nothing needs to be done other than general maintenance. It doesn't mean the car instantly dies at 150K, it just means at that point it might need some part replacement, or repair. Which on these, after 10 years will normally be pretty cheap to do. I don't see timing chains/water pumps/oil pumps/fuel pumps/spark plugs/coils/alternators/shocks/bushings/etc. As major issues to get done after 150K miles, to keep the car going another 50k-100k-150K miles.
This guy is my current favorite reviewer, does a deep mechanical dive but makes it understandable for normies
Anyone can rattle off numbers and count cup holders. But you get to the stuff that matters and what viewers would not otherwise know. Well done!
I just found this site. I own a 2023 Honda CRV Hybrid, and can say that this review is extremely good; it is accurate in its descriptions, dives into the technical and mechanical details, other than just the operational ones, better than any other car review site I've read, in an easy to understand way. And, he revealed a few things about the vehicle that even I, as an owner for 11 months, didn't know. Furthermore, this "mechanic" has a very sophisticated understanding of car styling that is rare among those who are experts on what is inside and under a vehicle, rather than its outer shell. In my job as an automotive photographer, I have worked with dozens of OEM car designers and collaborated with them to showcase their designs for many internal corporate and external marketing purposes, so I appreciate that he seems to truly notice design. Bravo for that.
I've now had my 2023 Sport Touring CRV since April, and came back to watch your review again. I've watched SO many reviews of this vehicle, and I still enjoy yours the most. Your only error(s): the seats are genuine leather, not leatherette, though they are not as pliable as in my previous leased high end Accords. And the button on the steering wheel is not for the heated seats, it's for the heated wheel (I always thought that was a superfluous add-on, but after handling wet, cold gates at the end of my driveway, it is a fast-warming delight!). Now that we're into cold weather season, my mileage has fallen off, especially on the highway, mostly 26-28 mpg...less than my previous 2 liter/10 speed Accord Touring. But the urban cycle eventually reaches 38-42 if I drive a long enough distance. Pure EV at the start has disappeared in the cold. Overall acceleration remains excellent off the line. The Bose system is the best ever in a Honda, standard only in Touring Accords, Civics, and CRVs. Thankfully, I still have satellite radio, no longer available in the Accord. Miss the HUD. Overall, I still look forward to every drive I take in my CRV. I had 7 high end Accords leased prior to this, and the Sport Touring CRV remains the most refined Honda I've had, with remarkably little body roll for an SUV. I live in Buffalo, but still not chance to try my Snow mode as of December 4th. :) It's slower than my 2020 Touring Accord, but it's not SLOW. Storage capacity has already come in handy twice, taking my bike to a repair shop. Seat height is PERFECT for my aging knees, unlike entrance and egress in the Accord.
I love these kinds of reviews. Taking a deep dive at the engineering/build of the vehicle and looking at what maintenance will be like, both long term and short, is part of my research when purchasing a new vehicle.
Great comment . I watched 3 other videos on the crv. This is exactly the information I want.
Love your reviews - the combination of a technical review and an interior review is outstanding!
Thank you for reviewing this car. You are such a "car guy." And being a top-notch mechanic with many years of experience, you actually know what you are talking about. And the little things you pick up on are just amazing observations. They don't just come from a mechanic's perspective either. They come from someone who truly loves and appreciates cars.
What a lovely post
Wow!!! That was what I think one of the best car reviews, I've ever seen!!! Keep up the good work. Peter from Poland.
This was an outstanding review, very helpful. Thank you. It is great to get such an in depth look at this car from both a mechanic and car enthusiast.
OMG, there are many , many empty reviews but this one, it's so good, thank you!
I've seen some of your videos before, but the car reviews...man you are a legend!
These technical assessment's are so informative and unrivalled. Fantastic job on this one AMD. Great TCCN video production. Thank you from London UK.
Been following you for over a year. Factory Honda Tech from 1976 till 1985 when I opened my own Honda repair business until I retired in 2006. You have the best channel I have seen. It helps me keep up on info and informed on car purchases. Thank you sir.
You give the best Toyota reviews, now it's Toyota and Honda reviews. I love your reviews, you are a great mechanic and know what you're talking about. Everyone else who does reviews are way, way, behind what you do!
This review is so helpful! I don't know anything about gas cars and for the most part, it was really easy to follow. I learned a lot. Thank you!
The "heat" button in the middle of the steering wheel is for the heated steering wheel, not the heated seats.
Yes. Very disappointing that him of all people thought that.
He knew it was the heated steering wheel button, he accidentally said "seats." What he was saying was that the heated steering wheel button could've been off to the side. Heated seats require two buttons, one for each seat, somewhere in the middle, accessible to the passenger. He knew it wasn't heated seats.
@@badtoro 😂 serious. Where’s your review bro 😎 very disappointed you don’t have a review 😢 You’d never make a mistake
@@weakland07lol
One of the reasons that Honda doesn't have (or need) port injectors to reduce intake valve buildup is that the L15 engine has so little cylinder blow-by that contaminates the intake valves.
The breadth and depth of information provided in these reviews is unequaled by any other video reviewer. Thank you!
Well, he gets a few details about the drive system wrong. A minor one, that it seems everybody gets wrong, is at about 6:40. He says that the generator is there to charge the battery. While it does of that, its power drive the motor first, without going thru the battery. Many people who will criticize the system thank that (incorrect) point is the worst. And Toyota does the same, despite what he says at 7:45.
At 7:00, the two clutches he talks about work very differently than he says. They aren't for the "eCVT" operation at all - that's the engine->generator->motor part I described above. In that mode, which Honda calls "Hybrid Drive," there is no mechanical connection between the engine and wheels at all. Sure, the ratios of those two rpms will vary continuously, but they are irrelevant. The point is that the engine can run at its most efficient rpm, which is 2000 rpm, at any car speed.
But there are additional losses (about 5%) in those conversions, so the engine can operate near them, it doesn't need to do them. That's where the clutches come in. One engages a direct-drive gear (that's literally *_one_* gear, not multiple ones) during highway cruise, like overdrive in a conventional car. The second one, in the CR-V only, is for slower speeds while towing, like "low" in a conventional car. The ironic thing, is that there is no history of failure in the clutch(es) in this ten-year-old system, while there are is in the Toyota hybrid system which most people do not think has a clutch. See th-cam.com/video/wzCACoJn-wM/w-d-xo.html .
You can have the motor help the engine drive the car in this mode (at 8:05 he says they can't). This is documented on page 15 of the CR-V Owner's manual: "Driven in high-speed, low-load conditions, the gasoline engine provides propulsion to the wheels. The High Voltage battery supplies electricity to the electric motor for added propulsion." This won't happen often, because if very much extra power is needed, the car will change to Hybrid Drive.
The way the system works, you will *_never_* have a delay or feel shift when the clutches engage of disengage. They have nothing to do with the simulated shifts.
Wow this is a solid review how come I’m just finding this review guy now. This is how you do a review and select a car based on his expertise. Thanks so much for this quality work. : )
Great video! Much more technical than just the styling, amenities and materials covered on other videos. We bought a Sport recently and love it wholeheartedly!
Esta a otro nivel ❤ Honda CRV es otra fragancia.
Mind sharing the OTD price? how much markup did you pay? thanks!
@@YaohuiZeng 36k
We bought our sport in April and we love it too!
How many miles you get on a full tank?
I like the idea of the little side cubby storage in the back. Looks like a good place to put small items so they don't slide around.
thats where i put the first aid kit on mine
Yes. And the compartment with the air compressor is where I also keep a little tire plugging kit (fits on top of the little funnel). Not many people know that the supplied air compressor has two modes: one for fill with sealant and one for air only. This way, if I get a flat that's pluggable I'll just plug it and fill with air only. Saving the hassle of ruining a whole tire with the sealant.
What a miss with the area behind the hybrid battery, that could have been a really useful area. Add to that the approximate cubic foot of unused space on the driver's side in front of the bumper which could have been molded into the trunk's unused cavern behind the hybrid battery.
Just discovered your channel. Such a different, valuable perspective from the other car channels. Thank you.
Just bought a 2023 crv hybrid because of your review🤙🏽
Thank you for reviewing Honda's!! We really appreciate to hear your opinion on these
May I call this clip Video of the Year? One of the greatest reviews I have seen in 2023. No exaggeration. Keep up the good work. God bless you. 🌹🌹
one of the best reviewer i have seen so far, well done
Well done. You can explain things because you know what you are talking about. I want to see more of that.
"Perhaps it's not the most exciting car in the world but it's VERY well done..." - This quote defines my new 2024 Honda CRV Hybrid Sport L perfectly. I love it!
Excellent review! We'll taken possession of our hybrid CRV in 3-4 weeks. Can't wait. We were really impressed during our test drive; it is much better than the 1.5T ICE-based trims. Price is def an issue, but cars that are true comps to this one are hard to get; I wasn't waiting 8-10 months for the Venza. It def has that feel of Honda quality, not flashy, but solidly built.
Don't get a flat.
I really like how you explained things, they were clear and simple to understand. You also made a balanced comment that tied up everything. I also like your priestly blessing in the end.
So glad you reviewed the CRV. Your reviews are full of experience and simple to understand. Could you please review the Acura MDX type S?
Another plus is this vehicle is not impossible to get near MSRP unlike RAV4.
Got my sport touring $600 under MSRP three weeks ago (Kentucky)
Very nice job on this review AMD. I appreciate your opinion on all the various aspects of the 2023 Honda CR-V Hybrid. I agree it is interesting how some of the similar suspension components are not made of the same materials from front to rear. Front end of the car likely has a greater percent of body weight and steel is cheaper than aluminum. Aluminum oil pan is interesting as it would help keep oil cool but like you said it would be terrible to strip the oil drain plug. I do like the dual piston front brake calipers as hybrids are heavier and when the traction battery reaches full state of charge the regenerative braking suddenly stops even if the car is still moving when that happens. That is one annoying thing about the RAV4 hybrid that I have noticed. Regen braking is really great in the RAV4 hybrid until the traction battery reaches full charge state and then it can feel like the car is being pushed forward because the brakes are not as responsive as regen braking.
If I were making a decision between the RAV4 and the CR-V based mainly on the interior then Honda would win easily. It seems Honda places priority on passenger room while Toyota tries to balance passenger room with cargo space. Now if the rear seats are folded down I think the Honda would have more cargo room minus the space below the rear deck. Great point to show Honda doesn't include a spare tire in this trim level. Ultimately it is the consumer's decision whether the vehicle is better or best but you covered everything very well. I think touring should mean comfort but when equipped with low profile tires it diminishes the ride comfort. Shame that Honda's touring trim was not available in tires that are actually comfortable to ride on.
Best review of this car I've seen? Thank you for all the details and insights!
These are AMAZING video reviews. Can you please make a playlist with just your "Should you Buy..." videos to make it easier to watch these all and have them easily accessible? Keep up the amazing work!
Honda has not released this model here in my country yet. Thank you for the way you dissected the plus and minuses of this model. Not only informative but excellent.
Your technical information about vehicles is beyond exemplary, especially with someone who is not mechanically inclined. You make it so easy to understand thank you while your technical explanations are the metaphorical cake, the icing is your opinions on the style of vehicles often times people from mechanical backgrounds don’t even discuss the stylistic characteristics of vehicles which a lot of people look at and I really appreciate you giving your opinion with them. Thank you again for your evenhanded and wonderful reviews of vehicles on the inside and out.
My favorite place to come for real in depth vehicle reviews down to the functional parts and design including history of the manufacturers ongoing improvement’s in certain areas and pain points
Great job on this thorough review. I'm picking up my 2024 crv hybrid sport tomorrow!
I just bought the touring trim yesterday, and your video came out today - what a great timing! Your positive feedback of this car is like music to my ears. 😊
Congrats, test drove one recently-very nice drive & handling!
How much did it come out to including tax?
@@Peter_Gazer Mine came out to around 43. It just depends on where you live.
on gas station your music will change.
23 touring,8k on the clock,31mpg average,75%highway.
forever,good luck to you.
I pick mine up tomorrow and agree!
We bought one for my wife. Ordered it in December '22, with a 3mo wait, but got it for MSRP, which is mainly why we picked it over the Tucson or Sportage hybrids. It's a very nice vechicle, after 2k mi, no regrets. Wish it came with all weather mats and a cargo mat, but Weathertech took care of that.
BTW, the seat heater buttons are on the dash. The button on the steering wheel is for the steering wheel heater.
As always, a great review, very informative, and just validates our feeling of why we bought this vehicle.
Good info. Is your CRV easy to park and maneuver in traffic?
@@namvet1968 Very easy to get around in traffic. Driving aids are stellar and I really appreciate the LED headlights. Really all the bells and whistles of a luxury SUV, just less expensive materials. Still feels comfortable and quiet on the road.
Very excellent review. Please do one for 2018 - 2022 Honda CR-V front wheel drive. And do many more thorough ones like this! Thank you!!!
First time on this channel and I REALLY LIKE the way he reviews. I’m disappointed that there are no Subarus reviewed. My wish list includes the CR-V, HR-V, Subaru CrossTrek & Forrester, and Hyundai Tucson.
AMD, Honda needs to match Toyota's real world Hybrid mpg and Toyota needs to match Honda's spacious interiors.The CR-V's big back seat puts the RAV4 to shame .🤨
its only off by a little. who cares. a few 1-5mpg dont really do much. its just a few extra miles. it all depends on the driver as well and real life conditions.
@@Fumbiii16 We've had ours for about 3 weeks. Averaging 33.4 mpg with mostly highway driving. I'm satisfied with that.
@@chrisstokes4245 Most owners get 40+. You must drive it hard.
CR-V puts the RAV4 interior to shame for the last 3 generations
Also Honda has been leaving out some features in the top trims that other mainstream brands include. Perhaps because of Acura, but most mainstream brands have a luxury brand under their umbrellas.
My first new car was the original Honda CRV, it was so basic and bare bones. Ironically, the 2023 model is now a highend looking vehicle with all the technology.
I'm impressed. They've
really come a long way.
but they no longer have the picnic table ☹️
yep. Cars have come sooooo far in twenty/twentyfive yrs. Not in same universe really.
so has the price come a long way, you could take the original CRV off road with this one the AWD will overheat and a message will appear on the dash AWD overheating disabled. Technology has not advanced in that time it just perceived that way, but you will pay high end prices for that .
Strange. I take my ‘24 AWD CRV on Pipeline ROWs and it does GREAT. Never “overheats”
There are automobiles made for off roading. The Honda CR-V is NOT one of them. You do NOT put eardrops in the eyes. @@Azureecosse
Great review of the car I just leased two months ago, which makes it extra satisfying on my choice. You have some unique perspectives and expertise about things I would never have known, and a truly pleasant delivery. Thanks!
I watch all other fluff reviews and then come to you for the real decision making info. Thank you.
Long time viewer here. Love your insights towards other car brands. Can you speak a little about the hybrid battery cooling system? You are a big advocate of clean fan filters in Toyota hybrid batteries. Is there such a filter in this new generation Honda hybrids?
The controls for the heated seats is in the center console area next to all the other climate controls. The button on the steering wheel is for the heated steering wheel which makes perfect sense.
I noticed that. Small error all things considered. But the actual placement is logical.
amazing review, I did appreciate all the mechanical/technical explanations.
I can tell you love cars. You are the best car reviewer on TH-cam. Thanks!
I got my Sport Touring Hybrid about a month ago, love it
MPG?
She shines in the city once you know how to use regen breaking effectively I average between 55-60 MPG on the highway not so much since regen is seldom used about 40mpg but still pretty good. If you do mainly highway driving the non-hybrid model is fine also
I always look forward to his informative reviews and getting a professional opinion. I was in the market for one of these vehicles, having owned a CR-v years ago. I liked the roominess of the C-v and wanted a hybrid. But due to the lack of a spared tire, I went to the Toyota Rav4 hybrid. Finally settling on a 23 Limited Rav4. So, have not driven it much in my two weeks of owning it but found It to be peppy and rides nice.
Totally agree. Lack of a spare tire is pretty much a deal breaker for me. Still a bit unsure but I much prefer having a spare.
I also canceled my honda hybrid sport touring deal for not having a spare tire and fog lights. Instead I bought the 2023 toyota rav4 hybrid xle premium. The only problem I am facing with rav4 is that the steering wheel feels vague and too light and I'm not comfortable with it. I would appreciate any suggestions please.
@@cloudysky9395 I have an 18RAV4 hybrid XLE and my steering is "perfect." I think the power steering is done by an electronic mechanism with I believe no adjustments unless maybe they can do a computer adjustment. Just a guess.
Been driving cars without a spare tire all my life. Honda provides a Small air pump and a tire sealant in a small square bag under the seat, I guess Mr Car Care misses it.
Another extra option that I do is I keep a tire repair kit so I can patch the tire myself on the road side.
@@zepp3lin I like those donut spares. I took a sidewall puncture. They are dangerous and cannot be repaired with sealant. I am glad I had the donut spare until I could get a new tire. Sealant only works with punctures in the tread area. I will never drive a vehicle without at least a donut spare.
I am not a car person, but I absolutely loved this great review and have subscribed so I can continue to stay informed.
Outstanding review...thank's very much for going into such detail. Our family has owned Honda's since the mid 1980's. It's Honda's reliability that has kept us coming back.
This is a wonderful review. Useful, practical, and done from your perspective as a mechanic. The most useful review of the CR-V that I’ve seen!
I love the Ice version, the space that you mentioned lacking behind in Hybrids, it's there. And Honda gives a small 12V air pump with a bottle of sealant in a square zip bag under the seat, you have to look for it.
The one review i have been waiting for. thanks for great overview and review. Really nice car.
A very in-depth review as always. I appreciate the knowledge and research put into this and all of your reviews.
Its been redundantly said so ill save all the words. Pure qaulity review and truly thank you for your time. Best on youtube.
A terrific video explanation on this honda 2024 CRC hybrid ! Very thorough inside and out..
First time watching one of your reviews, and it's very well-done. It would be great, however, if you included operating and maintenance cost expectations over time. Specifically, is the hybrid more costly to maintain then its non-hybrid counterpart? If so, how much so? 5%? 10% 25%?
Nice review. A few corrections, the heated seat button is not in the middle of the steering wheel. That button is for the steering wheel only. Also, according to all documentation Honda provides, there is a parallel mode where the gas engine and electric motor work in parallel to power the car. Additionally, the shifting sound is mostly artificial, not the clutch engaging.
Thank you. I noticed the heated seat issue but was thrown when he mentioned the motors didn’t work simultaneously. I drive a hybrid Honda and they often work simultaneously.
You're car reviews are easily the best on the net. Thank-you for the awesome content.
Always enjoy your true opinion on cars. Well done review from top to bottom as always. One question for you. If you had to pick from the AWD or just FWD which one would you choose in this 2023 honda crv hybrid sport model? @TheCarCareNut
I appreciate your vehicle reviews. As a consumer it is great to have your technical point of view since most reviewers focus solely on features.
As an early generation CR-V owner, I was anxiously awaiting this model to see if I might pull the trigger on the redesigned Hybrid but I ultimately passed. Although it has a lot of positives, it has grown too big and while I think their hybrid system has some advantages over Toyota's, especially considering cable-gate, I also feel like they need to figure out a better alternative to their battery storage. It felt like a shoe-horned afterthought in the previous generation and I was disappointed to see it carry over to this one.
I would love to see a technical review of the 2023 Corolla Cross Hybrid since it addressed cable-gate and is a bit smaller than the current Rav4 & CR-V.
I just bought a 2023 Honda CR-V Hybrid Sport Touring. The 2.0 L engine was a big factor. The one thing that I dislike is the big size. I looked the HRV, but it is too small, and it does not have the Bose audio system like the CRV. I took delivery in May and the car has only 2,000K miles on it now because I find myself driving a 2011 Honda CR-V EX-L with 180K miles because of the size. The Toyota Cross Hybrid is a better size but I could not find a dealer with one when I was looking for a car. A top trim Cross is less expensive than the top trim CRV. Take your time and test drive both before making a decision. Note: the two vehicles have different rides and the Cross it very "trucky".
I was ready to trade in my 2016 CRV but decided not to because the 2023 CRV increased size. To me, it is like a same horse with a bigger cart. I am looking for more power than size.
I know Toyota is the king of hybrids, but I ended up choosing the CR-V since I much prefer the interior over the RAV4 and the redesign is a big improvement. I was also able to negotiate no dealer market adjustment, compared to Toyota who wanted several thousand extra. I would've preferred a spare tire and extra storage and I wish they abandoned all the chrome instead of just in the rear (previous gen had way too much chrome). A 360 camera also would have been nice since many cars are shifting towards that now.
But overall I'm enjoying the car, nothing too fancy but still feels refined.
Is Toyota still doing markups on the RAV4 hybrid..I'm deciding between the XLE and this
@@HugeGamma Probably depends on the dealership. Go around and ask for quotes and try to negotiate. If they won't budge, let them know that you'll be taking other offers without markups. Literally the only reason these markups exist is because people are willing to pay them. There's no supply chain issue and they intentionally keep inventory low to make it seem like there's low supply and high demand.
@@HugeGammayou can absolutely find a dealership to sell you a car without markups depending on where you live. I would call around and let them know upfront you won’t pay over MSRP. Good luck!
they will not pay in the end ie dealers will not suffer bcuz they have a guaranteed mkt, which is why the franchise system was set up in the first place. Fact is that we're reaching the limits of the current ability to get cars quickly enough to where they're wanted. But the dealers are trying to milk the shortage and will keep trying to trick ppl for a long time of course. But they'll never pay a price UNTIL we demand our state rep's change the system and allow direct sales which should be our right, if we dn't care about dealer support/maintenance /whatnot. @@PS-js9oh
certainly still are supply chain issues with many cars and car mkt generally is heavily constrained. @@onobonono
this is tru review, I love it. Not just those empty review of exterior; interior; space; 0-100in xx sec, etc; that is everyone is the same, just different face of review.
He gets one thing very wrong. And it's a big thing, affecting many of his impressions about how the car drives.
7:00 "[Honda] actually put two sets of clutches that change the direction of the flow of power through multiple gears and and shafts inside the transmission ... "
It is true that this CR-V has two clutches. Each swaps exactly one gear into a mechanical system that utilizes, at any one time, a path with exactly two gears between the Internal Combustion Engine's (ICE's) output and differential. The "multiple gears and and shafts" he talks about is hyperbole, and he misrepresents how they are used later.
But this is the only Honda Hybrid with two clutches; all others have just one (and one gear). The second is for towing.
7:10 "... and that's how they achieve their eCVT operation.:"
No. "eCVT" refers to the mode of operation when the clutch(es) are disengaged.
Regardless of speed, while cruising the ICE usually operates at 2000 rpm and 34 HP. This is where it is most efficient (40.6%). It drives only a generator. The electricity is divided between charging the battery, and powering the traction motor. You can calculate the ratio of ICE rpm to wheel rpm, and it does vary continuously, but it is meaningless.
When more power is needed, the ICE revs up to the speed needed to produce that power at optimum efficiency. But the gear ratio is still meaningless.
The clutches are used when cruising at highway speeds, to eliminate the two conversions between mechanical and electrical power. The gear ratio is fixed, not continuously variable, when a clutch is closed. The gearing is chosen to keep the ICE near 2000 rpm. The second clutch is for slower highway speeds, or more power while towing.
7:15 ""What is not possible ... [not verified] ... According to the textbook you cannot have the engine and the electric motor drive this car together at the same time."
You can. I think AMD was looking for the wrong things, based on the misunderstanding I described above. Because this is well documented in technical books, press releases, and even the owner's manual. When a clutch is closed, the traction motor is still in the drive train. Since that 34 HP I mentioned above is more power than is needed to cruise on a flat highway, it will act as a generator to pull the excess power off and charge the battery. This is actually how regen braking works. But if a little (but not much) more than 34 HP is needed, it can drive the car with the ICE.
8:14: "If true that is one of their disadvantages and that's you know the limitation of this system."
It really is a minor point. It is a balancing act between gaining efficiency by letting rpm vary, while at the same time losing efficiency by converting the form of the power twice. There is just a small range of required power where keeping the clutch closed is better.
8:32 "Because we have actual clutches that need to engage occasionally there will be a delay and you'll feel it you accelerate and also there's like a second or two of delay until the clutch engage and you feel that engagement and all of a sudden we're going."
There is no such lag or delay. The clutches engage what are essentially overdrive gears. In the situation described, if one was engaged before, it will *_disengage_* to use eCVT mode. The effect can be immediate, but in ECON mode the system will increase power slowly to be more efficient. In SPORT, it is immediate.
The clutches engage only once you have established a cruising speed, and you cannot detect when it happens.
+++++
Anyway, this car has three "directions of power flow" from the ICE:
ICE-->Generator-->(electrical power)-->Traction Motor-->Countershaft Gear-->Differential
ICE-->Clutch1-->Overdrive Gear1-->Countershaft Gear-->Differential
ICE-->Clutch2-->Overdrive Gear2-->Countershaft Gear-->Differential
The traction motor stays connected to the countershaft gear, even when a clutch is closed. It will add and subtract power as needed to keep the ICE at optimum efficiency.
This is a very great review! He is my favorite reviewer of cars. A great engineer who knows what he is talking about!
Great review and loved the CRV re-redesign but ended up with the Toyota Rav4 Woodland hybrid instead. I actually owned both Honda and Toyota at the same time for about 15 years now and the Honda has cost me more for me to maintain then the Toyota.
I agree, I had a 2006 Honda Civic. I had to replace the driver side sun shade about 5 times, the driver side power window motor, the cruise control button, and the driver door lock actuator. All these items happened prior to 90,000 miles. That’s why I drive a Toyota now, but I am considering a Ridgeline.
well, yeah that's maint. money but overall the two are so close in quality that i'd say it's splitting hairs. @@louislopez55
About same here, but we had issues with the RAV4s, especially with the transmissions, which were very very expensive to repair. Both were made by Toyota, not Aisin. Also lost three windows actuators. CRVs were mostly little details except for an a/c compressor. Still in the family we only get Honda or Toyota. Which one is... down to personal taste. I personally like Hondas more.
@@disco.lemonade Well you cannot really go wrong with a Honda, now if you told me you were going with the recall king Ford or even GM then I would have to disagree with you.
Would love to know if you had to pick between the Rav-4, CR-V and Tucson which Hybrid would you get based on all aspects of engine, repairs, and car make and model?
You compare the Rav-4 a lot to this CR-V pointing out each has some advantages and disadvantages would love a mechanics take on which one they would buy over the other, that or a video comparing the two with your preferred model at the end?
Wonder if he'll answer what we all want to know...
Probably not, if the comment had more like then maybe, it’s not at the top of the list, and honestly I’m probably buying a CRV even if he likes the Rav 4 more, I feel like the interior and styling of the Rav 4 and Toyota cars is cheaper then what Honda offers, the only advantage to the Rav is the better gas mileage, if that’s all I cared about it would be an easy decision but the Honda is better to drive and better feel and fit for what I need, but it’s purely my opinion
Don’t get the Koreans, dual-clutch trans is planned obsolescence
@@natek6148I prefer rav4 hybrid approach because they dont use a deiveshaft to drive the rear wheels.
Is cheaper because is an old design. Wait for the redesigned model for the disappointment pricing scheme.
Anther great video. I love your unbiased honesty, considering you are a Toyota guy. 👍🏽
Great review, unbiased. " Less is more" ! great catch. Subscribed. Thank you...
I bought a CRV hybrid 5 months ago and so far like it very much.
I originally wanted a Venza but after waiting for a year after "ordering" I gave up.
Venza is too small for me. I’m thinking of buying the new Tacoma years down the line
What kind of mileage are you getting? We have a 2017 CRV non hybrid and get 28-33 mpg.
@@sunrisetacticalgear2676 Almost exclusively around town 42-45mpg.
I did the same thing but in a completely opposite way. Lol. Original wanted the CRV hybrid but dealers were adding ridiculous markups. Ended up got the Venza as it has a much better infotainment system than the CRV.
@@jul5385 I got my CRV for MSRP with no dealer fees, just tax and registration. At the time this was a good deal so I feel pretty good about the purchase. The CRV seems like a decent car but it doesn't knock ones socks off. I still think the Venza is a bit better appointed and perhaps refined. But, I had a 12 year old Buick I needed to replace and couldn't wait any longer. It was becoming unreliable. So, I bought the Honda because it was available..
I have the sport touring about 1700 miles so far, love it.
What you do for a spare tire?
Also a great addon is the Clever Honda thinking - 90 degree doors in the rear. Makes for easy in and out with kids and many other things.
I know you’re a Toyota technician but like how you go through Honda’s Hybrid technology! I happen to own a RAV4 hybrid so I love seeing hybrid videos like this!!
I canceled the 2023 honda crv hybrid sport touring and bought the 2023 toyota rav4 hybrid xle premium. Mainly because even the top crv trim doesn't have a spare tire and fog lights and these features are lifesavers for me. My chief problem with the rav4 is that the steering feels too light and vague and I'm uncomfortable to drive especially on the highway because it goes out of control very easily. How do you feel about your rav4. I would appreciate any suggestions or comments. Thx.
@@cloudysky9395 Only thing I don’t like about my RAV4 is that when I’m coming to
a stop and it switches from motor generator braking to hydraulic braking there isn’t a smooth transition and sometimes I wonder if it’s just mine.
The rear seat of the CR-V is very comfortable.
I own exactly the same trim 2023 CR-V as on this video, got mine among the first ones back in December 2022, and I got to say that current Honda built quality has disappointed me. Coating of the inside portions of the doors is so poor that I got corrosion in 4 months old car, March of 2023! This is unacceptable! Went to my local dealership to claim the warranty repairs. While they were fixing it, I've been curious and went on their lot to check a few brand new CR-V's for the same area, and unfortunately, same poor coating and uneven gaps on the hood/fenders area, the lift gate and side panels as well!
And lastly, what the service department manager told me about those findings shocked me! His words exactly " It's okay for the mass production vehicles"
Previously, I had spent hours on the phone with the American Honda call center about this issue trying to get someone in the quality control management, but unfortunately they've said that there is no such one, so that's probably why Honda manufacturing going down in the quality I guess? So sad experience. Beware, and check on those things at the time of purchase!
P.S. in addition, just a few months later, in November of 2023, two more corrosion spots showed up on both rear door hinges, took it back to the dealer and they "fixed" them by painting with the touch up pencil over corrosion spots. I'm done with it and just sold it. No more Hondas for me until they improve quality.
As always, great video. I am 73 and the idea of not having a spare tire is a Huge objection for me . Thank You
Please do 2022 bmw x3 m40i. These are the most educated and informative videos I've encountered on TH-cam!!
Previous CRVs had this magic floor that you could set a couple inches higher to make it flat/flush with folded down back seats. I wonder if they had to do away with it on the hybrid.
They stuck the hybrid battery in the back CS under rear seat for some reason. Hence why also no spare
It's there on the video, if you pay attention.
The very last new vehicle that I ever bought was a 1997 all-wheel drive CR-V... it was the second CR-V delivered to my town. It was a nice compact utilitarian vehicle for me, and I liked the little picnic table it came with. For about 3 years I drove it all over the place including NYC, and I would have kept driving it had it not been for a job change that required a pick-up truck. The newer CR-V including this Hybrid are a far cry from the original, but big overweight vehicles is just the direction all manufactures are going right now... that's a shame.
As someone with a first generation 2001 CRV I agree completely. The new ones are Pilot sized, more complicated and seem to lack the character of the old ones. Just FYI- you probably had a 1997 CRV, not 1995 because that was the first model year for the CRV. I remember this well because I had just bought a different Honda in 1996 and when I saw the CRV turn up in 1997 I wished I had waited!
@@1250ships yes it was a '97 - thanks
Your 90s CRV was just a basic appliance with no practicality and features, and also lower safety standards.
Because we need to carry more people comfortably and the fact that we have more cargo than before, cars should utilize the space efficiently and cars need to be bigger and not the other way around
@@techocrazy That's your opinion... my opinion is that my 90s CRV utilized and maximized available space much better than newer vehicles... it was just about perfect. Today's vehicles and passengers are overweight and bloated, but they do have a lot of electronic whistles and bells that distract the person behind the wheel from driving safely. Today's vehicles are dumbing down drivers, and that is not a good thing.
I think the HRV (first generation) was a return to form of that smaller crossover/SUV form factor. I have a 2000 Rav4 myself and it's very nice as a utilitarian vehicle. Only the gas milage kinda sucks.
The heated seat button is on the dash with the other HVAC controls. The button on the wheel is for the heated steering wheel. I loved your comment about the cover for the hybrid battery, coming from a RAV4 hybrid, the first thing my wife and I did at the Honda dealership was lift that cover to see the spare... only to find no spare and a battery. The sales guy was a bit surprised and said ... "Uh you're not supposed to lift that" :D I would imagine lifting that cover is one of the first things that a prior Toyota Rav owner would do with this car. BTW, My wife loves this car...
Your reviews are the BEST!
Very interesting review from a mechanic's viewpoint and raises very useful maintenance comparisons, but some aspects of the drivetrain design need a bit of clarification. Since 2020, this hybrid drivetrain is the only one Honda have offered in the U.K. and Europe for all models except for the Civic type R, and there may be differences with the U.S. version. I own two of these Honda hybrids, the latest one a very sporty Civic, but have been driving this hybrid system for over 2 years now, so have a lot of experience of them from behind the wheel. He likes the Toyota design and it has really good points, but I haven't driven one so cannot comment on its performance.
One way to look at it is Toyota took a combustion engine car and added electric motors to improve efficiency, Honda built an electric car and added a highly efficient petrol engine to generate electricity. These engines use the Atkinson 4 stroke cycle which is considerably more fuel efficient than the standard Otto type, but have much lower torque so cannot pull the car in Atkinson mode. However they can run a generator and the electric motor can assist the engine with extra pulling power when needed. The key difference, as he rightly says, is the Honda can disconnect the engine from the wheels, but says he doesn't know if the Honda engine can drive the wheels directly.
At below highway speeds, the Honda operates as a purely electric car with the engine only charging the battery which means the engine normally only runs at its optimum fuel efficient speed and will stop and start to keep the battery charge within a certain range, but he also mentions two clutches, a device he seems not to like. The first clutch is a safety device that will only open and disconnect the drivetrain from the wheels if there is an unforeseen emergency such a wheel lock-up. The second will close only when cruising at high speed (>about 60 m.p.h.) and connect the engine directly to the wheels in parallel with the electric motor as this is the point the engine is already running at maximum fuel efficiency, but charge will also still be going to the battery. This clutch will open again if the battery fills up and the car will continue on electric power only until the battery is down to about 30% and then close again if still cruising. The essential point of the design is maximum fuel efficiency and performance with no gearbox.
As a final small aside, the heater button on the steering wheel is not for the driver's heated seat, that is on the main air-con control panel, it is for the heated steering wheel.
I'm not sure how this bit of disinformation, about hybrids in general, got to be so prevalent. But I see it everywhere. It may look like a minor point, but it raises some significant criticisms of hybrids that are completely baseless.
"At below highway speeds, the Honda operates as a purely electric car with the engine only charging the battery..."
An EV that uses an ICE+generator only to charge the battery is called Range Extender, or BEV Rex. It is not a hybrid. In the Honda iMMD hybrids, the ICE+generator send power to a Power Control Unit (PCU). It send most to the motor, not the battery. But it adjusts it first. That can mean adding some power from the battery, or sending excess power to the battery. The difference is that a BEV Rex has to divide the battery into the portion that is being charged, and the portion that is driving the motor. This compromises the level of performance (see reviews of the BMW i3).
But there are some other points I want to correct:
"... which means the engine normally only runs at its optimum fuel efficient speed and will stop and start to keep the battery charge within a certain range."
More accurately, it runs at its optimum *_power_* for fuel efficiency. A conventional gas car has to use all of the power it generates as it is generated. The "optimum speed" is found by moving along a constant-power curve in the efficiency map. But a hybrid can adjust power as well. It will over-produce with the ICE during cruise, increasing efficiency by far more than optimizing speed can. The 3rd gen Prius, for example, might need 13 HP to cruise on the highway. Its optimum rpm, at that level, is about 1100 rpm (and I'm not sure they run it that low), using 225 grams of fuel per kWh produced. But that can be reduced to below 215 at 28 HP and 2000 rpm. This, not regen braking, is how they keep the battery charged (any EV uses more energy to return to speed, than it can recover thru regen braking). The previous generations of the Accord and CR-V drop it to 208 grams at 34 HP and 2000 rpm.
"... but he also mentions two clutches, a device he seems not to like. The first clutch is a safety device that will only open and disconnect the drivetrain from the wheels if there is an unforeseen emergency such a wheel lock-up. The second will close only when cruising at high speed (>about 60 m.p.h.) ..."
He also mentioned "multiple gears and and shafts" in a disparaging manner. The truth is that the entire transaxle in a Honda is mechanically simpler than just one (some have two) planetary gearset in a Toyota.
I'm guessing you got "60 mph" from the Weber state video, since that is the only place I've seen it, and it is wrong; check Prof. Kelly's corrections. It can lock up as low as 40 mph, but usually around 45 mph. It is optimum at 54 mph, where the ICE is at 2000 rpm. But it seems you also missed the update for the 2023 CR-V, which is what the Car Care Nut was referring to. It has two lock-up clutches; the additional one is for added torque while towing. All hybrids, including Toyotas, have the safety clutch you describe. It's called a torque damper.
But the Car Care Nut is quite wrong about "multiple gears and shafts" for this mode. In addition to a motor gear and generator gear there is, literally, one clutch and one gear for each lock-up;. That's one set in all pre-2023 models, and two in the 2023 CR-V.
@@jeffjo8732 Thanks for your comment and corrections - I did know the generator powers the motor and battery & should have said it more clearly and I bow to your better understanding of the internal combustion engine.
As a relative newbie to TH-cam, I didn't know if I could reference other channels and thought about doing that rather than trying to describe it, but here goes. This is a great explanation of how the efficiency of the system is achieved th-cam.com/video/6glpZTRT6qE/w-d-xo.html
True the 60 m.p.h. comment came from Weber although I was having some doubts about it and thought it was sometimes occurring at lower speeds, who am I to question a professor? There is a fancy graphic on the car's display that shows power flow, but it's not entirely clear whether the system is in hybrid or engine mode - (I would have liked a simpler traffic like display) and there is very rarely any physical sensation of it changing power mode.
My comment about his not liking clutches also came from another review he did comparing this car to the Toyota RAV4 where he comments with some vigour on the disadvantages of the use of clutches whilst ignoring the advantages of not having a gearbox.
My main aim was to try and say, as you have, that the Honda system has much less hardware than other systems, is beautifully simple in concept and whilst my attempt is flawed I am glad it has generated your response.
@@trevorsmith9684 Yes, I have that link bookmarked, too. A good companion to Weber State is th-cam.com/video/fmMb45PPrmg/w-d-xo.html . The whiteboard seen has an accurate drawing of the entire system. Then, there is also a set of three, one is at th-cam.com/video/vJFNcmXxNJE/w-d-xo.html , that show how the system shifts modes in real life. The other two are in links in its comments.
The Power Flow Monitor (what you called fancy graphics) does make it entirely clear which mode you are in, but the Owner's manual doesn't show it well. There is a gear symbol that appears at the intersection of the flows when the clutch engages.
@@jeffjo8732 Thanks again, like the real time one. I think I am now going to put this to bed, go out and enjoy driving my Civic e-hev, would thoroughly recommend it. (Do also have an S2000 for an occasional extra kick so the Civic is my carbon offsetting car).
Absolutely the best car reviews anywhere.
Are you out of your mind?! This review does not including even 5 seconds of actual driving. Ridiculous. That is like a restaurant review by somebody who never tasted the restaurants food. He also fails to disclose the significant recent issues with Honda CVT transmissions.
Very good detailed review. The one thing I think he missed is that you can scroll the infotainment screen with your finger. You don't need to look for the back button; just swipe.
Best review of a car I have ever seen on YT!
When all is said and done, I chose the Honda CRV hybrid. A weak motor AWD on the Toyota is a deal breaker for me, as we have severe winters here in ND. To each their own.
Good choice. Toyotas awd is very weak
Interesting. I spend time in Michigan.
Do the Honda Pilot 2023 next. Just got that one. Love it but I’d like to know some more details about it.
Love the review. You speak very well and covers everything s consumer should know. Thank you.
I'm looking at mine Sport Touring model, same color and watching this video lol. Thank you so much. It's nice to learn so much about operation on my new car
Never feel the clutch in my CRV. Mechanical AWD is easier to handle cornering and fun to drive. Brake is never overkill when you need it. And I get 48 mpg in city, not as good as RAV4's 5x mpg, I guess.
The accord hybrid is really good
drivetrain, yes. But styling looks like a '90's Buick.
Good mechanic ... I have driven many Honda in young days ... very good performance. Now I drive Rav4 hybrid for comfort and simplicity
Love the impartial review here AMD. Well done, as always! Any chance for a Subaru Forester review?
I just ordered a 2024 hybrid CRV sport touring yesterday. I'm hoping that it is as good as you say the 2023 is. Not likely any major changes from the 2023. Was going to get a new Toyota Rav4 LTD but many charge premium of $5000 over MSRP and the wait list is often quite long at this point. So, CRV it is! Has anyone driven the 2024 yet? Tell me about yours?
How much did you pay after taxes and fees if you don't mind me asking?
Have had it for about 2 months. Am not a car person, but no complaints thus far.
The lack of a spare tire is a big deal, especially since using their fix a flat joke will RUIN the tire permanently and won't even work unless you get a nice, friendly flat in the tread area. I saw a lot of space in front of the driver's side fake exhaust thingy. Maybe they should combine that with some of that unused space in the "storage/not storage/battery/not a compartment" compartment and have a spare in there at an angle. Then the jack equipment can go where the stupid fix a flat kit is now.
Good point. Driving in the boonies with no spare can be risky. Even a donut spare would help.
My daughter has a 2014 Accord since new. Still going with 205K - even without “stellar” maintenance. Only downside is no spare. She’s had to have it towed a few times due to flat tires. Potential safety issue.
Forgot to say it’s a Hybrid