It was a really cool idea to do a review of the synthesizer in "wordless" mode. Thank you very much for this. This is exactly the kind of review of GRIND I wanted. ❤️
This one is instant buy. Very late 90s gritty sound without being too metallic\microfreaky. This superswas takes me back... very good move by Behringer. Oldschoolers like me gon' buy it on sight. Thank you Starsky! one of your best reviews, you showed everything i wanted to see and hear. Wow.
'Instant' is a comical term with Behringer, for it might easily take over a year before you can really get it (like the Crave, or, still not here, the Spice (announce spring '23).
To be honest, this is the most impressive synth I have seen in a long time. I have not *really* wanted to buy one for ages but this is an instant buy for me too. Hopefully it won't take ages to actually start shipping!
I’m (im)patiently waiting for videos to come out with this thing along side the edge and crave. Would love to hear the whole crew together, outside of what Behringer have posted.
I never mind you talking through your videos, I actually learn more by listening to you explain things in detail. This synth seems right for me, thanks for the demonstration.
I have the Brains module in my setup, but that hasn't stopped me from buying this bad boy. The ability to get an instant sound and manipulate it without patching is rather pleasing.. Love the addition of a Low pass Gate on the VCA.. Hours of fun ahead pairing it with Brains to get Super super Saws.. Keep up the good work.
Thanks for the great video Starsky, I have Crave and Edge already and was anticipating the Spice. Uli laid an Easter Egg with the grind dropping out of the blue, its on my Christmas list. will get the Spice soon as it drops also
@@GoodAfternoonDave I disagree. The Behringer ones sound better to me, but it's all dependent on whether you want the sound to be more aggressive or more warm and round.
This box is great. I'm no superfan of anyone (nor hater), but I don't buy things just because they're reasonably priced, even if they're decent machines. If I don't need it I don't need it. I can see a lot of uses for this little box.
thats a sweet little synth, i have a crave and was pleasantly surprised at how meaty that was with just 1 osc, i think i`ll have to order one of those Grinds. Behringer are really knocking it out the park with all these goodies theyre bringing to us
@@Technician_KSR can you get this at L&M? When I went to purchase the Edge I was told the only Canadian distributor of Berhinger is Cosmo. I ended up getting both the Crave and Edge from Sweetwater.
@@neplusultra4196 Long and Mcquade gets a truck from Behringer twice a year it's not often but I think sometime 2025 they shall get a shipment with Grind on it
Very cool box and the sounds are sometimes pretty crazy. I can imagine nice experiments, especially with triggering signals to the tempo input on the grind like you do the 101 via exrl clk 😃😃 Unfortunately I wasn't there with the first orderers so I have to wait but I'm looking forward to a video where someone does it.
still waiting for my UK pre order. Maybe it will be a while. THis Box interested me. as it can be a groove box all in one , I keep checking the letter box for missed deliveries and the bin outside, good demo
Interested in your take on the LPG feature. Seems like it would pair well with karplus strong but would love to know what that does to the speech oscillator . Looking forward to the review
It’s isolated in the filter section, but in general it’s on every Moog, loads of analog synths and eurorack modules and probably on every virtual analog synth. I’m sure they all have the 24dB setting which is normally based on the Moog ladder filter. It’ll be on all stock DAW plugins.
Was looking at the Crave and the Model 15 the past month and then this drops. I've been wanting to dip my toes into hardware. Have Pigments, V Collection X, NI Komplete 15, and the Moog soft synth offerings(Mini/15). Love them all but the computer interfacing with 8 knobs on my Kontrol MK3 or the 8 knobs and 8 faders on my Keylab61 mk1 just doesn't scratch the itch, as tightly integrated as they are. Back early '02 I came into possession of a Moog Opus 3 and the tactical feel is just missing, the quirks and all. Still leaning towards the analog dual oscillator vs 24 digital. Seems like I'd kind of be stepping right into compromise again. IF I get a new run Model 15 is that going to take me the furthest with analog, learn hardware sequencing and get the I dream of wires thing going on too.
They’ll both give you the I dream of wires experience. I’d be more tempted with the model15 from that perspective as if you decide to expand it can be placed in you eurorack and incorporated into a larger setup. This will work with eurorack but can’t be put in the enclosure. For sound design this is more flexible. So another hard choice!
Between my Hydrasynth and Microfreak, I think I have these sounds covered. But if I didn't, I'd be buying one of these. Too bad it's monophonic though.
So it's like a microfreak with less modulation options and no paraphony, but with a better filter. It'll never achieve the modulation depth a microfreak has by itself, even if you use outside modular equipment in the loop due to how the source/destinations work in the microfreak matrix VS the grind. That being said - added oscillator types are cool, although of course no sample or granular like MF has. Also, INCREDIBLY limited LFO options. All this really makes me want to do is put a ladder filter into the microfreak :) It's got big shoes to fill, and although it's not trying to fill them necessarily it's hard not to make comparisons. If the microfreak didn't exist I would be greatly tempted to get this. Right now my Micro/Minifreak and MicroMonsta 2 are keeping me very happy. I'm sensing a pattern here 😅
The patchbay will add tones of stuff the micro freak can't do. I;ve only just started playing with it. I LLLuuurrve the Microfreak and see this more as a competitor for the CRAVE.
@@d3tuned378 I had a microfreak and have a grind and never got on great with the microfreak but 100% admit it’s amazing synth but the grind -oh my ! And even without patching it sounds great
Extremely excited to get this- Plaits is my all time favorite! But I can’t stand the knobs on the crave and edge. Too resistant with not enough grip- anyone know a good replacement knob for these?
These aren't as resistant... just checked - especially for you ;) They're A LOT easier to twist. I'd never noticed before but yeah the CRAVE knobs are really stiff.
Hi, Starsky. Excellent as ever, where did you get the waveform listing form . I have tried online . I thouht may have been included in the box. Cheers, oh yes i got one.
I just add it to a new track in the edit in Davinci and drop the audio into it. Actually just using the default settings. It’s a great sounding plugin that demos how stuff would sound in a mix. Super simple but super effective.
@@StarskyCarr Thank you very much for answering. I know the Eventide plugin(s), though currently I'm mainly interested in their 'old' stuff, emulating the past (as in familiar effects), but they are a bit too pricey for me (given the amount of use)(generally 80 bucks on sale). I couldn't imagine it was built in in the Behringer, but to be sure I checked ;-). Your video certainly whetted my appetite.
Would it be the height of art if it were possible to superimpose and mix different types of synthesis, rather than just choose them? What do you think?g
If you’re in ‘Two Analogue Oscillators’ mode and switch to High Pass Filter, does the filter sweep properly? I just got mine and it seems to have the HP filter sound plus another oscillator that bypasses the filter straight to VCA 😕
The oscillator feeds into the filter so I'm not sure what you're describing is possible. If you're hearing the HP sound plus another you're probably not doing quite what you think. It can be confusing at times, especially when you first get your hands on it. Plaits had me baffled for a while. ... but it definitely can't split the signal coming from the oscillator, unless you're listening to more than one output.
I know what you mean! Output 1 should go into the VCF by default but it’s not, even if I hard patch it there. Will post an update if it’s really not just me 😅 LP filter mode works as expected!
@ Re the HPF on the Grind: Andertons have just confirmed that they can recreate the issue on their demo unit. Namely that closing the HPF by turning it to the right does not remove all the sound. They were philosophical and said it was part of the design, but I think it’s a malfunction. Might be worth mentioning to your audience if you can recreate it too?
At the same time - I think - not tried yet. I considered adding the second output but then it'd end up being twice as long :) I'll include this in my review.
It’s not specifically the sounds that are exciting - we’ve heard them before, but the way it’s packaged as a semi modular. I think it’s a great idea tbh. It’s an amazingly flexible little synth. The Microfreak is the only other I can think of that does similar but it’s not eurorack and £100 more. If I could only have 1 it’d be the Microfreak -that’s an insanely flexible little thing as well. But for getting into models etc this is a great starter.
I wish someone very likeable like Keanu Reeves would take over Behringer and give the company a pr facelift so I dont have to feel guilty about liking their synths. Let's go Keanu, the Grind aint looking too shabby.
While Keanu Reeves is a highly respected figure, his lack of experience in the music technology industry could present challenges. A more suitable public figure could be Ainsley Harriott. He is widely liked, highly relatable, and brings a level of warmth and trust that could resonate well with a broad audience.
This is SO useful! After 2 hours trying the sounds, I hadn't got the best of them until I watched this. Many thanks!
Glad it helped.
It was a really cool idea to do a review of the synthesizer in "wordless" mode. Thank you very much for this. This is exactly the kind of review of GRIND I wanted. ❤️
In some way you've used some reverberation effects. What exactly these were?😊
Eventide Blackhole
@@AlekseiDroganov you can usually get a demo of anything like that just by typing "no talking" in the search too
This one is instant buy. Very late 90s gritty sound without being too metallic\microfreaky. This superswas takes me back... very good move by Behringer. Oldschoolers like me gon' buy it on sight. Thank you Starsky! one of your best reviews, you showed everything i wanted to see and hear. Wow.
'Instant' is a comical term with Behringer, for it might easily take over a year before you can really get it (like the Crave, or, still not here, the Spice (announce spring '23).
@@fritsvanzanten3573 or maybe more... i still waiting on Neptune or Hirotribe...
To be honest, this is the most impressive synth I have seen in a long time. I have not *really* wanted to buy one for ages but this is an instant buy for me too. Hopefully it won't take ages to actually start shipping!
@@fritsvanzanten3573 i got mine 10 days ago.😊
@@mbrombert i guess not, i've seen some random reviews on YT already
I’m (im)patiently waiting for videos to come out with this thing along side the edge and crave. Would love to hear the whole crew together, outside of what Behringer have posted.
I never mind you talking through your videos, I actually learn more by listening to you explain things in detail. This synth seems right for me, thanks for the demonstration.
I’ll be back in full vocal mode with the next one.
I have the Brains module in my setup, but that hasn't stopped me from buying this bad boy. The ability to get an instant sound and manipulate it without patching is rather pleasing.. Love the addition of a Low pass Gate on the VCA.. Hours of fun ahead pairing it with Brains to get Super super Saws.. Keep up the good work.
the LPG is the same as on the Brains
The sound design inspiration just from the demos is pretty wild
Been looking forward to this more than the Grind.
I’ll do something more detailed soon, but thought adding all this to the same video would be overkill!
Thanks for the great video Starsky, I have Crave and Edge already and was anticipating the Spice. Uli laid an Easter Egg with the grind dropping out of the blue, its on my Christmas list. will get the Spice soon as it drops also
I grab my coffee and sit on my chair, thank you!
All the Behringer boxes of this type have such an aggressive bite. I love it.
The original Moog ones are even better
@@GoodAfternoonDave I disagree. The Behringer ones sound better to me, but it's all dependent on whether you want the sound to be more aggressive or more warm and round.
@@user82938 work on your ear training
I had the Crave and it really was the third oscillator to that Behringer Pro 1.
no need to touch the cutoff to tweak sounds, this is really outstanding.
This box is great. I'm no superfan of anyone (nor hater), but I don't buy things just because they're reasonably priced, even if they're decent machines. If I don't need it I don't need it. I can see a lot of uses for this little box.
thats a sweet little synth, i have a crave and was pleasantly surprised at how meaty that was with just 1 osc, i think i`ll have to order one of those Grinds. Behringer are really knocking it out the park with all these goodies theyre bringing to us
This blows the crave out of the water tbh. There's so much in here.. it's essentially a CRAVE but with 24 madly flexible oscillator types.
YES! This means it's hitting shelves soon! I'm sofa king pumped for this rig. Good stuff Starsky, top shelf sir.
@@pablowentscobar andertons have it in stock in the UK
I bought this one at Andertons, UK - I think I got in early enough for the first shipment.
@@StarskyCarr they ordered 400 of them so they told me 15 left now
@@jweiss101 Damn, super jelly, I'm in the US
@@StarskyCarr Dang, Your a lucky man. I'll just have to live vicariously through you for now. Sounds fantastic though!
For the price it's good thing to have in a electronic music studio. like a compact multi tool with useful bit and bobs. , sounds good for what it is
Totally agree. Its amazingly flexible and powerful given the size and price.
Can't wait for these to hit shelves at long and mcquade Canada! Ideal purchase so many tones
Yeah there's a huge range of tones in here. Insane when you think about what you can do with this.
I had a crave and yeah this look like it can do just about anything you throw at it if you're good at patching
@@Technician_KSR can you get this at L&M? When I went to purchase the Edge I was told the only Canadian distributor of Berhinger is Cosmo. I ended up getting both the Crave and Edge from Sweetwater.
@@neplusultra4196 Long and Mcquade gets a truck from Behringer twice a year it's not often but I think sometime 2025 they shall get a shipment with Grind on it
This would be for sound design to be used with a sampler. Grind and Circuit Rhythm would be a great combo.
This video is great, thanks!
Very cool box and the sounds are sometimes pretty crazy. I can imagine nice experiments, especially with triggering signals to the tempo input on the grind like you do the 101 via exrl clk 😃😃 Unfortunately I wasn't there with the first orderers so I have to wait but I'm looking forward to a video where someone does it.
I'll see what I can add to my review ;)
Wow, thanks for this video!
still waiting for my UK pre order. Maybe it will be a while. THis Box interested me. as it can be a groove box all in one , I keep checking the letter box for missed deliveries and the bin outside, good demo
Haha.. this arrived yesterday from Andertons
@@StarskyCarr i don't want to say what uk store i ordered from incase they fart in the box for when you do the unboxing and smell the package
the noise sound reminds me of Giana Sisters like on the c64
How is the Grind out like a few weeks after it was mentioned, when the Spice was mentioned years ago and nothing came of it
Probably because they had everything in place… the oscillator is from Brains and the rest is the CRAVE with a few minor changes.
It's a great box, isn't it? Had mine for 2 days and haven't reached the limits yet :-)
Interested in your take on the LPG feature. Seems like it would pair well with karplus strong but would love to know what that does to the speech oscillator . Looking forward to the review
It works great on the Karplus strong and the perc sounds, plus a few of the other as you heard in this. It gives an extra punch.
And please do a full review 👍
maybe as soon as tomorrow. :)
@@StarskyCarr I love mine-such a different take on a semi modular
Cool. For anyone looking to specifically hear the ladder filter, where's a good place to hear it?
It’s isolated in the filter section, but in general it’s on every Moog, loads of analog synths and eurorack modules and probably on every virtual analog synth. I’m sure they all have the 24dB setting which is normally based on the Moog ladder filter. It’ll be on all stock DAW plugins.
Was looking at the Crave and the Model 15 the past month and then this drops. I've been wanting to dip my toes into hardware. Have Pigments, V Collection X, NI Komplete 15, and the Moog soft synth offerings(Mini/15). Love them all but the computer interfacing with 8 knobs on my Kontrol MK3 or the 8 knobs and 8 faders on my Keylab61 mk1 just doesn't scratch the itch, as tightly integrated as they are. Back early '02 I came into possession of a Moog Opus 3 and the tactical feel is just missing, the quirks and all. Still leaning towards the analog dual oscillator vs 24 digital. Seems like I'd kind of be stepping right into compromise again. IF I get a new run Model 15 is that going to take me the furthest with analog, learn hardware sequencing and get the I dream of wires thing going on too.
They’ll both give you the I dream of wires experience. I’d be more tempted with the model15 from that perspective as if you decide to expand it can be placed in you eurorack and incorporated into a larger setup. This will work with eurorack but can’t be put in the enclosure. For sound design this is more flexible. So another hard choice!
Between my Hydrasynth and Microfreak, I think I have these sounds covered. But if I didn't, I'd be buying one of these.
Too bad it's monophonic though.
Perfect.
Next, Behringer needs to slap a granular Morphagenesque sampler into this Grind/Crave/Edge form factor, the Qaudrant would be complete.
i'm very curious how out 2 sounds with the different synth types.
So it's like a microfreak with less modulation options and no paraphony, but with a better filter. It'll never achieve the modulation depth a microfreak has by itself, even if you use outside modular equipment in the loop due to how the source/destinations work in the microfreak matrix VS the grind.
That being said - added oscillator types are cool, although of course no sample or granular like MF has. Also, INCREDIBLY limited LFO options.
All this really makes me want to do is put a ladder filter into the microfreak :)
It's got big shoes to fill, and although it's not trying to fill them necessarily it's hard not to make comparisons.
If the microfreak didn't exist I would be greatly tempted to get this. Right now my Micro/Minifreak and MicroMonsta 2 are keeping me very happy. I'm sensing a pattern here 😅
The patchbay will add tones of stuff the micro freak can't do. I;ve only just started playing with it. I LLLuuurrve the Microfreak and see this more as a competitor for the CRAVE.
@@d3tuned378 I had a microfreak and have a grind and never got on great with the microfreak but 100% admit it’s amazing synth but the grind -oh my ! And even without patching it sounds great
I have the MicroFreak but I can see this joining my collection too even if just because of its semi-modular capabilities.
@@Congasjones How do you have a grind? Isn't it only available in several months?
@@d3tuned378in North America. Pretty sure it was available in UK right after Berhinger’s video dropped.
When you do the review, please do the voiceovers using the speech waveform😉
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haha... if I can say it all with alpha charlie tango one two indigo violet X Y Z I will ;)
You can still hear Liverpudlian through the vocoder
haha.. I know - that was the Spectravox video?
I
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GAAAAHHHH
Extremely excited to get this- Plaits is my all time favorite! But I can’t stand the knobs on the crave and edge. Too resistant with not enough grip- anyone know a good replacement knob for these?
These aren't as resistant... just checked - especially for you ;) They're A LOT easier to twist. I'd never noticed before but yeah the CRAVE knobs are really stiff.
@ amazing!!! Love your videos!
Captions were great during Vox and Speech 😂
Haha I’ll have to take a look
Hi, Starsky. Excellent as ever, where did you get the waveform listing form . I have tried online . I thouht may have been included in the box. Cheers, oh yes i got one.
From the Brains manual 😉
Ta very much
Can you pitch bend with a midi KB? (Someone said that this can't do Pitch Bend, which seems ludicrous.)
Loving the range of sounds in this thing!
Yes it works with pitch bend.
All that for $200? Really cool. Now do one with some polyphony and memory.
Why is this box sounding so much better than my Behringer Brains? 🤨
0:30 Stupid question: what does 'Eventide Blackhole here' mean? My guess, you ran the Beowulf through an external effect?
Eventide Blackhole is a plugin based on the Blackhole algorithm from the Space, H9 and H90 reverbs
I just add it to a new track in the edit in Davinci and drop the audio into it. Actually just using the default settings. It’s a great sounding plugin that demos how stuff would sound in a mix. Super simple but super effective.
@@StarskyCarr Thank you very much for answering. I know the Eventide plugin(s), though currently I'm mainly interested in their 'old' stuff, emulating the past (as in familiar effects), but they are a bit too pricey for me (given the amount of use)(generally 80 bucks on sale). I couldn't imagine it was built in in the Behringer, but to be sure I checked ;-). Your video certainly whetted my appetite.
Does this sound as good as the Cardinal Modular synth?
Интересно, в качестве басового синта можно его заюзать вместо toro например?
Definitely
Seems like this thing would have really benefited with being able to save presets. Can we get a v2 lol?
Would it be the height of art if it were possible to superimpose and mix different types of synthesis, rather than just choose them? What do you think?g
This is Behringer's take on the Arturia Microfreak, no? Not a "tribute" copy, mind you, but a similar approach.
If you’re in ‘Two Analogue Oscillators’ mode and switch to High Pass Filter, does the filter sweep properly? I just got mine and it seems to have the HP filter sound plus another oscillator that bypasses the filter straight to VCA 😕
The oscillator feeds into the filter so I'm not sure what you're describing is possible. If you're hearing the HP sound plus another you're probably not doing quite what you think. It can be confusing at times, especially when you first get your hands on it. Plaits had me baffled for a while. ... but it definitely can't split the signal coming from the oscillator, unless you're listening to more than one output.
I know what you mean! Output 1 should go into the VCF by default but it’s not, even if I hard patch it there. Will post an update if it’s really not just me 😅 LP filter mode works as expected!
@ Re the HPF on the Grind: Andertons have just confirmed that they can recreate the issue on their demo unit. Namely that closing the HPF by turning it to the right does not remove all the sound. They were philosophical and said it was part of the design, but I think it’s a malfunction. Might be worth mentioning to your audience if you can recreate it too?
@@kunekshan aah I thought you meant there was a separate sound, unaffected by the HP. Now I see what you mean.
@ Well it kind of is that, because you get a loud unfiltered sound PLUS the HP sound arriving at the line out
❤ Behringer is the most exciting Synth Manufacturer, this sounds stunning. No tuning issues, can’t wait 😛
does anyone have an idea when they will be available in europe? the major sites mostly say "in several months" whatever it means
I got this in the UK at Andertons someone said they had some left
Just ordered one, arriving Tuesday from Andertons.
I love my Crave but if this uses the same pots then I hope some people are ready to switch them out...
Can out 1 and out 2 be used at the same time, or you need to insert the cable into the one you want to use? 😅
At the same time - I think - not tried yet. I considered adding the second output but then it'd end up being twice as long :) I'll include this in my review.
@StarskyCarr thank you very much.
@@jumpingman8160 you could use the VC Mix hear them both.
I must have one.
Thank you for the demo. I find it pretty boring. Not heard one demo so far that that imo deserves all the excitement.
It’s not specifically the sounds that are exciting - we’ve heard them before, but the way it’s packaged as a semi modular. I think it’s a great idea tbh. It’s an amazingly flexible little synth. The Microfreak is the only other I can think of that does similar but it’s not eurorack and £100 more. If I could only have 1 it’d be the Microfreak -that’s an insanely flexible little thing as well. But for getting into models etc this is a great starter.
These are the engines from the Microfreak?
Microfreak uses some of the same open source engines that come from the Plaits eurorack module.
Yeah Microfreak has 7 of them.
Does the phones output have Out1 on both channels?
I’ve only tried it with a TR - didn’t think that was an option!
@@StarskyCarr Labelling it "Phones" seems to imply it's TRS, but presumably designed so that shorting the right channel to ground isn't a problem.
Have they implemented midi cc control yet?
Yes. Just tried it with CC via assign.
@@StarskyCarr if the Assign works like on the Neutron that's a big bonus for wind control. The Neutron and Roland AE-30 are a perfect match ❤
You could make an entire album using only this $200 synth.
The title should be "Mutable Instruments Plaits - All Oscillator Models // Sounds only demo"
It’s got 15 plaits and 9 Behringer algorithms, so that wouldn’t be entirely accurate.
17:42 Needs more cowbell.
😂👍
Wow and you can get two of these for the price of one Mutable Instruments Braids used 😂
'kin 'ell!
Can anyone chip in as to why my ADS envelope doesn’t do anything? Ta
Probably... set the VCA switch to env. if its set to LPG you get a low pass gate....
@ Thank you Obi Wan d’Starsky you were my only hope!
👍🥋😂
I think Behringer should name the next one in their series 'Bump' and have it dedicated to R Kelly !!!
oooh! Beware - dad joke's on the loose. :)
Microfreak 5 years later 😂
It’s in there.
interesting//rate it highly - sold at @6.44 demo part/
A lot of sounds for never touching the cutoff and resonance.
I wouldn’t buy this with your money! 😎
I wouldn’t let you 😂
I wish someone very likeable like Keanu Reeves would take over Behringer and give the company a pr facelift so I dont have to feel guilty about liking their synths. Let's go Keanu, the Grind aint looking too shabby.
What an interesting suggestion, can I suggest Kyra Knightly instead? I guess Chanel might pay more but lets see.
I'll see if I can AI Keanu onto my face for the demo - a much needed upgrade if ever there was one.
@@GeorgeL909 they don't need Keanu, they've already got Patrick
I endorse the Keanu option ONLY.
While Keanu Reeves is a highly respected figure, his lack of experience in the music technology industry could present challenges. A more suitable public figure could be Ainsley Harriott. He is widely liked, highly relatable, and brings a level of warmth and trust that could resonate well with a broad audience.
That’s 30ish seconds per oscillator 😂
1 minute
I think you're playing it x2 ;)
I was never any good at maths in school