This is perfect for both "Auto-body & Welding Fabrication" Thanks for the Excellent Video Preparation. Thomas J. Vanderloop, AWS Welding-membership Technology Instructor
Thanks Mr Covell for sharing your knowledge and let us know how to get those amazing shapes on sheet metal. As a mechanical engineer I've always found pretty easy the way how we design any of those shapes with the CAD programs without having a clear idea what it takes to manufacture them, or even if it is feasible to do it. Thanks a lot for showing us your techniques and in my particular case, for giving wings to new designs to come.
I've heard it said that there are more people who know how to make things than there are people who can design things, so I hope you do come up with some stunning designs in the future!
I highly recommend Mr. Covelle's metal fab videos to all younger auto bodymen coming up in the trade . Once you learn even Basic Metal Fabrication techniques a lot of times you can make parts like a dog like section of a quarter panel that you otherwise we'll have to buy a quarter panel for Start simple techniques and work your way up to the more complex. Thank you Mr Covel for your great knowledge and humble approach to teaching this lost art .
@@RonCovell I seem to recall the most difficult thing about setting one up sometimes was proper selection and orientation of the dies....that was definitely an art form. I hated planishing titanium parts, tho. Came from drop hammer as soon as they ere stamped, red hot, and I'd have the air turned all the way up, standing on the pedal, and would only move it a millimeter or two. Sufficient, but a pain in the ass! We also had -- i think -- a much larger version meant for parts like C-130 engine access doors and passenger jet engine nose lips. Always a 2 person job, which I disliked because one guy would invariably loose his grip on the part and really bend it out of shape.
I highly recommend purchasing his DVDs. I have several of them and find them to be very helpful. A friend attended one of his classes a few years ago and said it was great.
Great video. I enjoyed the presentation very much. You are obviously a pro in this realm of metalwork as well as an accomplished demonstrator. I am so glad you reduced the original video. I got what I needed out of this version. Thanks.
+Dana Nelson Dana - I'll let you in on a little secret. With video, you can cut out all the boring parts! In reality, it takes me FOREVER to get anything done!
I had no clue as to what a Planishing Hammer was. I seen a video of yours and seen those wacky looking machines and had to know what those were? I was just educated a bit more thanks to your video .Very cool machines. Thanks for the video!
+Emmanuel Lopez Hey, I'm so glad you enjoyed it. I have more videos on the way. If you subscribe to my channel, you'll be notified when each new video is launched.
After watching the smoothing work you've done here, I suppose that I'm 'planishing' to buy one of these tools now! I have a mechanical stretcher on its way, but I'm not too thrilled about chewing up the finish on my drip rails/channels to A-Pillar repairs. I would have gone English wheel, but it's too restrictive to fit most of what I'm doing. I'll sand where I can or carefully work them by hammer; however, this just feels like the ticket to success. By the way, you really have an amazing temperament and it shows in your work... Good bless you on this fine Easter morning! ✝️✝️✝️
One thing you can do to help reduce the marking from a shrinker is to wrap a piece of sandpaper around the edge of the metal (cloth-backed emery paper would be even better). You arrange it so the grit side touches the metal, not the shrinker jaws. This does reduce the marking considerably, although it reduces the power of the machine somewhat.
@@RonCovell Thank you, Sir! I really appreciate your time and consideration for helping me avoid that marred finish. I'm going to write that in my book of things to remember. Thank you for saving me some heartache in my endeavors.
I'm a bit late to the party, great videos, love to watch, there is not enough of these older methods about today, it's difficult to get creative with injection moulded parts. Keep up the great work 👍
Oh, man….I wish I would have had a linear stretch die three years ago when I was making curved flanges for this old fire truck…..it would have cut down the work time to just a third. Good vid, Ron.
You really are the Bob Ross of metal! So about 3 years ago I got into knife smithing and making, I'm 57 years old and my body doesn't work as good as it use to. Something is going bad with my upper right arm so it hurts when I raise it and have no strength in it! So enough about my poor life.... I wanted to buy a power hammer but it's out of my price range. So dumb question. Could something like this for a couple hundred bucks shape a knife? So if anyone out there can help me without making me feel stupid I would be very grateful
Jim - first of all, I hope you have consulted a medical professional about the loss of motion and strength in your arm. Those are classic symptoms of conditions that can be improved with treatment! But to answer your question - yes, some air=powered planishing hammers can do the type of work that I call 'blacksmithing'. It requires a machine with a heavy-duty air motor, but they exist, and/or you could build your own.
@@RonCovell thank you Ron, this sounds a little dumb but I will go see the doc at the VA, wanna build up more vacation time in case they need to do surgery. That guy bill keeps wanting my money....lol! Thanks for the info, o may see if harbor freight has something cheap to play around with or Frankenstein it. Have a great day Ron
Wow that is some excellent machines. I am a light metal artistan for a fireplace company in NY. I do a lot of brass accessories and all hand made. I would love to have a machine like these in my shop. Thanks for show casing these machines. I wonder if I can build one of these.
All these tools are derived from Silversmithing factories around Birmingham England, and London, in the early /mid 1800's. They run many times faster today - back then it was mill wheels and eventually steam engines, then two part steel dies to press the parts out. Seriously precious metal.
Doug - Thanks for letting me know that. Since I'm US born, my knowledge of the industrial revolution in England is limited, but a British friend sent me some great DVDs on Fred Dibnah, who did a long series of videos on the BBC, covering the steam age. Fred is big on TH-cam now, too.
I love the 2 minutes later cut aways, he's like: here I have a 16 gauge sheet of 4 foot by 6 foot steel, this is very thick and difficult to work with gauge ... [ 2 minutes later ] ... "and there you have it a complete '33 Ford grille frame out of a single piece of steel, all that remains is for me to tack weld it together, I'm sorry it took so long I took a bathroom break"
I't's essentially a larger scale version of burnishing.. moving metal around. I'd say the old English wheel does essentially the same thing when doming but slower. I've never seen this before. Interesting!
Dave B - Thanks for watching, and commenting! I would say that burnishing is slightly different than wheeling. When you burnish metal, you are sliding metal pieces together. When you wheel, there is no sliding - the wheels apply rolling pressure. I have only seen burnishing used to smooth the surface of metal. I have never seen metal shaped, or 'domed' by burnishing, but perhaps that is possible.
First of all, there is quite a range of loudness, from the smallest to the largest planishing hammers - but in all cases they are a LOT louder than a 4-inch angle grinder.
Ron, would you recommend a hand held planishing hammer to remove hammer marks left from roughing out a roof panel? A tree had fallen on the truck's roof. It has been roughed out using a stud/slide hammer method. Thanks!
Cameron, there aren't a lot of hand-held planishing hammers still being made. One can be found here: www.ccookenterprises.com/proline-tubular-handheld.shtml As you can see, they are expensive. You might also look on eBay to find a used one, but they are often over $1000, too.
Hi Ron 😀 Very interesting to watch and a lot of good information. Just wonder, can you run the small thumbnail dies in a planishing hammer, like the 2" or 2,5", or are the machines too weak? Material used is 1 mm steel. I am thinking of the ones mounted in a stand, not the hand held versions. Thanks in advance.
Glad you liked the video. While some people have used thumbnail dies in a planishing hammer, the consensus is that the machines oscillate too fast to make optimal use of that style die.
I work at a company with a lasercutter and bending presses. We have 1 double sided mallet from the previous owner of the building (which was a crappy car shop once), which was abused as a jackhammer. I took care of it and started experimenting with it and found great joy in forming sheet metal, though with only that tool I can't do much. I'm interested in medieval armor and stuff so I thought about getting an english wheel, but these pneumatic hammers look like they could do similar work too. I already do have a handheld pneumatic hammer like the one installed on the "midget" you have, so I guess I'll try building my own. Can you maybe talk a bit more about the dies, how they work together in shaping the metal? Does one need specific radius dies for specific radius domes, or are rounder dies universally useable for any dome up to it's radius?
Ideally, the lower die should have just slightly more radius than the part you're shaping. You can make any shape with a highly-radiused die, but the greater the mis-match, the 'bumpier' the surface.
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Thank you so much! I know several countries in Europe have severe limitations on making changes to cars. Here in the US, we have a long tradition of making extensive modifications.
Good questions. The longer you hammer on a piece of metal, the deeper the doming gets. The radius of the die limits the depth it can dome. The more closely the die shape matches the metal, the smoother the result is, so that's why you don't just use the most highly-curved die for everything.
Thanks for the information and inspiration Ron. Watching this has given me ideas and hope. I think I can use this method to smooth out the wrinkles of 1 Apollo GT and make a new nose section for another, or planish it out maybe. I have a old bluepoint rivet gun that should do the job. I can modify some chisels to get into the tight areas....it's that or make a buck and start from scratch.
Hey, there are very few people who own Apollo automobiles, and they are an extremely interesting American-Italian blend. I knew Ron Plescia - one of the partners in the company, and who did the outstanding body design!
Ron, what's the overlap between a planishing hammer and an english wheel? Seems like both can smooth out and will stretch the metal. It's be great to see a video that talks about what tool to use and when. Matt
You are absolutely correct that there is a lot of overlap between the English wheel and the planishing hammer. One of the key differences is that with an English wheel, you have to 'roll in and roll out' of any area you want to work, while with a planishing hammer, you can easily work on tiny spots without affecting the nearby metal at all. In general, the English wheel makes it easier to make large, low-crown panels, and the planishing hammer makes it easy to concentrate your force in a small area, which is great for crushing weld beads down flat, for example.
@@RonCovell Thank you! That helps a bit. I want to do a lot of bead rolling, and need to pre-stretch the aluminum so I don't have a potato chip. Sounds like a planishing hammer is the way to go.
Yes, a planishing hammer works well for pre-stretching metal for bead rolling, but an English wheel can do the work, too: th-cam.com/video/kGSMj6f75JU/w-d-xo.html
I've never seen a planishing hammer used on tubing. If the goal is to bend the tubing, I think a tube bender, or a tube rolling machine is probably better.
Every machine has its own requirements, but I would shoot for at least a 2-horsepower compressor if at all possible. Bigger is always better, and two-stage compressors are better than single-stage, and cast-iron cylinders last a lot longer than aluminum ones. You get what you pay for!
Most planishing hammers run faster than is ideal for thumbnail shrinking dies, but some people have experimented with this, and had reasonably good results: th-cam.com/video/SAmLMnC016c/w-d-xo.html
There is a pretty broad range of machines out there. Most of the machines made in China are inexpensive, but don't have the quality or durability of the machines made in the US or Europe. In general, I'd recommend buying the best machine you can afford.
We did a little planishing in mettle work class at school, I suppose they were preepairing us for prison life, If you see one of those copper placks on the wall of some wones home, You know they are jail bird's, In the planishing operation they have a number of odd shaped hammers, One of the smaller tools is the Ray Poosay hammer, Tap tap tap, Tipedy tap, Tap tap. Times 6, It drives you up the wall, One of the Gaurds said he found it therapeutic, Tap tap tipedy tap.
Well, the tap-tap-tap sounds are pretty much part of metalworking. Usually the sound is tolerated by those who make the noise, but less well-liked by those around them.
Most of the motorcycle gas (motorbike petrol) tanks I have made have been shaped with the English wheel. Here's a good example: th-cam.com/video/5nYZXBzVlEA/w-d-xo.html
16 gauge is the thickest material that most of these machines can work with. The TM Technologies machine can be equipped with a heavy-duty air motor, and if so equipped, it can do some work with 12 gauge steel.
+Ryan Kirk Kent White (at TM Technologies) makes a broad assortment of dies for his air hammer, and some of them can do shrinking. You can get more information at www.tinmantech.com
You can use any sort of oil for planishing aluminum, as you can for steel. The advantage is that the metal slides over the dies more easily. The disadvantage is that it's a bit messy, and requires an extra step of cleaning up.
this dude is a legend, in 2 minutes he can build anything!
Thanks for saying that - but most things take more than two minutes - or two days - or two weeks - or something!
@@RonCovell think he was referring to the editing in the video,
This is perfect for both "Auto-body & Welding Fabrication" Thanks for the Excellent Video Preparation.
Thomas J. Vanderloop, AWS Welding-membership Technology Instructor
Thank you very much!
Mr. Covelle is a great source for all your fabrication needs , a true humble genius .
Thanks for your very nice comment!
It's always a pleasure to watch mr. Covel l explaining various metal shaping techniques.
I'm so glad you enjoy my videos. Many more to come!
Thanks Mr Covell for sharing your knowledge and let us know how to get those amazing shapes on sheet metal. As a mechanical engineer I've always found pretty easy the way how we design any of those shapes with the CAD programs without having a clear idea what it takes to manufacture them, or even if it is feasible to do it. Thanks a lot for showing us your techniques and in my particular case, for giving wings to new designs to come.
I've heard it said that there are more people who know how to make things than there are people who can design things, so I hope you do come up with some stunning designs in the future!
@@RonCovell )
I am going to add this feature to m my metal sculpture techniques
I highly recommend Mr. Covelle's metal fab videos to all younger auto bodymen coming up in the trade . Once you learn even Basic Metal Fabrication techniques a lot of times you can make parts like a dog like section of a quarter panel that you otherwise we'll have to buy a quarter panel for Start simple techniques and work your way up to the more complex. Thank you Mr Covel for your great knowledge and humble approach to teaching this lost art .
Thank you for the wonderful comment! I do hope to see many young people learn this trade.
The Chicago at 1:15 really brought back memories....used one at Rohr Industries in the early 90s.
Yes, that machine has been a standard in the industry for decades!
@@RonCovell I seem to recall the most difficult thing about setting one up sometimes was proper selection and orientation of the dies....that was definitely an art form.
I hated planishing titanium parts, tho. Came from drop hammer as soon as they ere stamped, red hot, and I'd have the air turned all the way up, standing on the pedal, and would only move it a millimeter or two. Sufficient, but a pain in the ass!
We also had -- i think -- a much larger version meant for parts like C-130 engine access doors and passenger jet engine nose lips. Always a 2 person job, which I disliked because one guy would invariably loose his grip on the part and really bend it out of shape.
I'm always amazed by what can be accomplished with a planshing hammer in the hands of a mad scientist. Thanks Ron, JD
Yep - it's an excellent tool!
I highly recommend purchasing his DVDs. I have several of them and find them to be very helpful. A friend attended one of his classes a few years ago and said it was great.
Thanks for sharing!
Right on Ron! It's great to see TALENTED people making videos!
More to come!
I really enjoy watching and learning, Ron!
Awesome, thank you! I have several new videos on the way.
Fantastic introduction to planishing. Marvellous.
Thanks for watching, and for commenting!
Great video. I enjoyed the presentation very much. You are obviously a pro in this realm of metalwork as well as an accomplished demonstrator. I am so glad you reduced the original video. I got what I needed out of this version. Thanks.
Marc - I'm very glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you Ron. I just subscribed. I am an old retired fella and enjoy metal work so I will most definitely be keeping up with your videos.
I'm so glad you like my videos!
What a treat! Your video was an eye opener and I’ll be binge watching the rest of them now. Thank you!
Glad you like them!
Thanks again Ron. Amazed at how fast you can work and the finish produced.
+Dana Nelson Dana - I'll let you in on a little secret. With video, you can cut out all the boring parts! In reality, it takes me FOREVER to get anything done!
Very cheering to watch real talents in action. Thank-you.
I'm very glad you liked it!
I had no clue as to what a Planishing Hammer was. I seen a video of yours and seen those wacky looking machines and had to know what those were? I was just educated a bit more thanks to your video .Very cool machines. Thanks for the video!
DreidMusicalX - I'm very glad that you enjoyed the video, and learned something from it!
Thanks for posting. I certainly enjoy learning and planning on sheet metal fabrication tool additions to my shop.
I'm very glad you enjoyed it!
Very good Sr.
Thank you!
Great video. Thanks for your valuable contribution to the art of metal forming.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I always learn a lot from this guy. Has some great DVDs
Glad you like them!
@@RonCovell How I learned to bend square tubing for one !
Ron I just caught your planishing hammer video for the first time. It was awesome. I want to go out and buy one now. I feel very motivated.
That's fantastic - I hope you do something fabulous with your enthusiasm!
Mr. Covell, this is a nice video, thanks for sharing!!!
+Emmanuel Lopez Hey, I'm so glad you enjoyed it. I have more videos on the way. If you subscribe to my channel, you'll be notified when each new video is launched.
Seriously awesome stuff, thanks for posting and staying current.
I'm so glad you took the time to view my video, and to comment!
Thank you for sharing your knowledge, Sir.
Hossein Hayati - I'm very glad you enjoyed it - and took the time to comment!
Hi Ron! Your the best!
Glad you think so! More videos on the way.
Fantastic Ron thank you.
Glad you liked it!
Mr. Covell, this is amazing tutorial!
I'm so glad you liked it!
Thanks Ron
Glad you liked it!
Great video. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks for sharing this informative and interesting video
I'm glad you are finding more to like!
Your idea sounds good! I'd like to see pictures of how you modify your machine, and to hear your report on how well it works!
Ron
Can you give me a chance to work with you too sir I'm Tig welder and fitter
Respect to this metalwork sage.
I'm glad you have enjoyed my TH-cam videos!
After watching the smoothing work you've done here, I suppose that I'm 'planishing' to buy one of these tools now!
I have a mechanical stretcher on its way, but I'm not too thrilled about chewing up the finish on my drip rails/channels to A-Pillar repairs. I would have gone English wheel, but it's too restrictive to fit most of what I'm doing. I'll sand where I can or carefully work them by hammer; however, this just feels like the ticket to success.
By the way, you really have an amazing temperament and it shows in your work...
Good bless you on this fine Easter morning! ✝️✝️✝️
One thing you can do to help reduce the marking from a shrinker is to wrap a piece of sandpaper around the edge of the metal (cloth-backed emery paper would be even better). You arrange it so the grit side touches the metal, not the shrinker jaws. This does reduce the marking considerably, although it reduces the power of the machine somewhat.
@@RonCovell Thank you, Sir! I really appreciate your time and consideration for helping me avoid that marred finish. I'm going to write that in my book of things to remember. Thank you for saving me some heartache in my endeavors.
I'm a bit late to the party, great videos, love to watch, there is not enough of these older methods about today, it's difficult to get creative with injection moulded parts. Keep up the great work 👍
Hey, WELCOME to the party! Feel free to check out my other videos - you'll find some interesting stuff, I promise!
Great video!
I learned a lot more than I knew 10 minutes earlier.
Thank you.🇦🇺🤜🏼🤛🏼🍀🤓
Glad to hear it!
Oh, man….I wish I would have had a linear stretch die three years ago when I was making curved flanges for this old fire truck…..it would have cut down the work time to just a third. Good vid, Ron.
lowchops301 Yeah, those dies are very effective! Glad you enjoyed the video.
Thank you Mr. Covell, great video!
+marcustoms I'm so glad you liked it - there will be more to come.
You really are the Bob Ross of metal! So about 3 years ago I got into knife smithing and making, I'm 57 years old and my body doesn't work as good as it use to. Something is going bad with my upper right arm so it hurts when I raise it and have no strength in it! So enough about my poor life.... I wanted to buy a power hammer but it's out of my price range. So dumb question. Could something like this for a couple hundred bucks shape a knife? So if anyone out there can help me without making me feel stupid I would be very grateful
Jim - first of all, I hope you have consulted a medical professional about the loss of motion and strength in your arm. Those are classic symptoms of conditions that can be improved with treatment! But to answer your question - yes, some air=powered planishing hammers can do the type of work that I call 'blacksmithing'. It requires a machine with a heavy-duty air motor, but they exist, and/or you could build your own.
@@RonCovell thank you Ron, this sounds a little dumb but I will go see the doc at the VA, wanna build up more vacation time in case they need to do surgery. That guy bill keeps wanting my money....lol! Thanks for the info, o may see if harbor freight has something cheap to play around with or Frankenstein it. Have a great day Ron
Amazing machine Sr.
I'm so glad you enjoyed this video!
Really appreciate the info, Thanks Ron.
+MotorcycleTherapy You are very welcome, and I promise that there will be more videos to come.
Wow that is some excellent machines. I am a light metal artistan for a fireplace company in NY. I do a lot of brass accessories and all hand made. I would love to have a machine like these in my shop. Thanks for show casing these machines. I wonder if I can build one of these.
Yes, many people have built their own planishing hammer, sometimes using an air chisel, or rivet gun for the power source.
“This is sort of a midget I’m holding” why is that not an epic meme yet?
Guess it could be!
Thank you.
You're welcome!
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All these tools are derived from Silversmithing factories around Birmingham England, and London, in the early /mid 1800's. They run many times faster today - back then it was mill wheels and eventually steam engines, then two part steel dies to press the parts out. Seriously precious metal.
Doug - Thanks for letting me know that. Since I'm US born, my knowledge of the industrial revolution in England is limited, but a British friend sent me some great DVDs on Fred Dibnah, who did a long series of videos on the BBC, covering the steam age. Fred is big on TH-cam now, too.
I love the 2 minutes later cut aways, he's like: here I have a 16 gauge sheet of 4 foot by 6 foot steel, this is very thick and difficult to work with gauge ... [ 2 minutes later ] ... "and there you have it a complete '33 Ford grille frame out of a single piece of steel, all that remains is for me to tack weld it together, I'm sorry it took so long I took a bathroom break"
Hah!
Perfect Mr.Profesore.
Thank you so much!
Love your video.Thank you
Thanks for watching!
Thank you ron. I like the seat you made on another video.
I'm so glad you enjoyed it!
good video the hand held convertion to upright is the way I think ill go.thanks for the video Brother
Bruce - I'm glad you liked the video! Yes, converting a hand-held hammer to a pedestal-mounted one is a good way to go.
Respect
Thank you sir!
You are welcome!
Thank you for sharing 🙏🙏🙏
I'm delighted that you enjoyed this video, and took the time to comment!
@@RonCovell you are so humble, kind and of course skillfull, thanks for making this great content 🙏🙏🙏
I’ve got a little air hammer like that, that I have only used once to clean some brick bumps. I’ll make one of these now 🤷🏼♂️
You should get a lot of use out of that great tool!
Great demo !
I'm very glad you liked it!
thanks mister, you are magic !
I'm very glad you liked it!
I't's essentially a larger scale version of burnishing.. moving metal around. I'd say the old English wheel does essentially the same thing when doming but slower. I've never seen this before. Interesting!
Dave B - Thanks for watching, and commenting! I would say that burnishing is slightly different than wheeling. When you burnish metal, you are sliding metal pieces together. When you wheel, there is no sliding - the wheels apply rolling pressure. I have only seen burnishing used to smooth the surface of metal. I have never seen metal shaped, or 'domed' by burnishing, but perhaps that is possible.
Thank you for a great video, can you tell me how loud these are in general, maybe compared to a 4" angle grinder or some other tools?
Much appreciated
First of all, there is quite a range of loudness, from the smallest to the largest planishing hammers - but in all cases they are a LOT louder than a 4-inch angle grinder.
I love it when tools look like they come from the movie "Aliens"
Yes, some metalshaping tools can take on some pretty weird shapes and configurations!
Cool.Awesome tutorials.
Thank you!
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Hey @Roncovell , which type of aluminum are you using for that motorcycle gas tank?
I use 3003, because of its ease of forming.
Awesome thank you 🙏..
awesome... such a satisfying video
Glad you liked it!
I love this channel :D as soon he puts on the headphones I should too lol so loud on phone.
Just woke up the baby with the planishing hammer that I wish I had someday lol. God bless you all.
Ron, would you recommend a hand held planishing hammer to remove hammer marks left from roughing out a roof panel? A tree had fallen on the truck's roof. It has been roughed out using a stud/slide hammer method. Thanks!
Cameron, there aren't a lot of hand-held planishing hammers still being made. One can be found here:
www.ccookenterprises.com/proline-tubular-handheld.shtml
As you can see, they are expensive. You might also look on eBay to find a used one, but they are often over $1000, too.
Nice work, good communication skills.
Thanks - I really appreciate that!
Today I learned something new! Thank you I have done some sheet metal, aero construction but I would love to make copper work.
Oscar Bear - I'm glad you liked the video, and I really like working with copper!
Hi Ron 😀 Very interesting to watch and a lot of good information. Just wonder, can you run the small thumbnail dies in a planishing hammer, like the 2" or 2,5", or are the machines too weak? Material used is 1 mm steel. I am thinking of the ones mounted in a stand, not the hand held versions. Thanks in advance.
Glad you liked the video. While some people have used thumbnail dies in a planishing hammer, the consensus is that the machines oscillate too fast to make optimal use of that style die.
I work at a company with a lasercutter and bending presses. We have 1 double sided mallet from the previous owner of the building (which was a crappy car shop once), which was abused as a jackhammer. I took care of it and started experimenting with it and found great joy in forming sheet metal, though with only that tool I can't do much. I'm interested in medieval armor and stuff so I thought about getting an english wheel, but these pneumatic hammers look like they could do similar work too. I already do have a handheld pneumatic hammer like the one installed on the "midget" you have, so I guess I'll try building my own.
Can you maybe talk a bit more about the dies, how they work together in shaping the metal? Does one need specific radius dies for specific radius domes, or are rounder dies universally useable for any dome up to it's radius?
Ideally, the lower die should have just slightly more radius than the part you're shaping. You can make any shape with a highly-radiused die, but the greater the mis-match, the 'bumpier' the surface.
@@RonCovell Thanks for the reply. : )
RON ......CLEAN, DETAILER, PERFECTIONIST .... HERE IN MADRID, SPAIN, NOBODY IS ABLE TO DO THAT, THE LAW DOES NOT ALLOW REFORMS IN CARS, AND OLD CARS GO TO WEAR. DREAM WITH A HOT ROD OF SMALL RADIATOR AND 5 WINDOWS MADE FOR YOU. YOU'RE THE BEST. GREETINGS FROM MADRID, SPAIN.
Thank you so much! I know several countries in Europe have severe limitations on making changes to cars. Here in the US, we have a long tradition of making extensive modifications.
5:42 so can you dome deeper or more shallow as well? Or is this a function of the shape of the die?
Good questions. The longer you hammer on a piece of metal, the deeper the doming gets. The radius of the die limits the depth it can dome. The more closely the die shape matches the metal, the smoother the result is, so that's why you don't just use the most highly-curved die for everything.
@@RonCovell thanks Ron
Paul Revere never had that equipment . Does a nice job.
Larry - Imagine what Paul Revere could have done if he had a cell phone!
Thanks for the information and inspiration Ron. Watching this has given me ideas and hope. I think I can use this method to smooth out the wrinkles of 1 Apollo GT and make a new nose section for another, or planish it out maybe. I have a old bluepoint rivet gun that should do the job. I can modify some chisels to get into the tight areas....it's that or make a buck and start from scratch.
Hey, there are very few people who own Apollo automobiles, and they are an extremely interesting American-Italian blend. I knew Ron Plescia - one of the partners in the company, and who did the outstanding body design!
Ron, what's the overlap between a planishing hammer and an english wheel? Seems like both can smooth out and will stretch the metal. It's be great to see a video that talks about what tool to use and when. Matt
You are absolutely correct that there is a lot of overlap between the English wheel and the planishing hammer. One of the key differences is that with an English wheel, you have to 'roll in and roll out' of any area you want to work, while with a planishing hammer, you can easily work on tiny spots without affecting the nearby metal at all. In general, the English wheel makes it easier to make large, low-crown panels, and the planishing hammer makes it easy to concentrate your force in a small area, which is great for crushing weld beads down flat, for example.
@@RonCovell Thank you! That helps a bit. I want to do a lot of bead rolling, and need to pre-stretch the aluminum so I don't have a potato chip. Sounds like a planishing hammer is the way to go.
Yes, a planishing hammer works well for pre-stretching metal for bead rolling, but an English wheel can do the work, too:
th-cam.com/video/kGSMj6f75JU/w-d-xo.html
I've never seen a planishing hammer used on tubing. If the goal is to bend the tubing, I think a tube bender, or a tube rolling machine is probably better.
Do these machines handle the shrinking (thumb) dies, or is that a different type of machine?
While some people have adapted thumbnail shrinking dies to planishing hammers, most of them oscillate too rapidly to use that style die effectively.
Very informative video, thank you. Can you tell me how big a compressor you need to get a reasonable amount of time.
Every machine has its own requirements, but I would shoot for at least a 2-horsepower compressor if at all possible. Bigger is always better, and two-stage compressors are better than single-stage, and cast-iron cylinders last a lot longer than aluminum ones. You get what you pay for!
Awesome 👍 lots of good information
Thanks so much - I'm very glad you liked it!
Any chance on some more details on the home made plenishing hammer would love to make one
Brendon - you will find a lot of information about this on TH-cam. Here is one: th-cam.com/video/BNhNFNoG0JY/w-d-xo.html
I was woundering, if you where to make custom dies or have someone make you one, could beading (bead rolling) be done on the Planishing Hammer.
Yes, it is possible. You may have to devise an edge guide to keep the bead straight:
th-cam.com/video/ZLAulGR3Hmo/w-d-xo.html
@@RonCovell Excellent, also do you think a thumbnail die made for the Planishing Hammer, would work on the Planishing Hammer for shrinking.
Most planishing hammers run faster than is ideal for thumbnail shrinking dies, but some people have experimented with this, and had reasonably good results: th-cam.com/video/SAmLMnC016c/w-d-xo.html
@@RonCovell Thank you, maybe if I could somehow slow the speed down on the planishing hammer I could get it to work better.
Sir. I thankyou for sharing this
I'm very glad you liked it!
Like 5052 or 6061 or 7075 ???
Hello Ron, what do u advice to purchase first Planishing hammer or English wheel?
There is a pretty broad range of machines out there. Most of the machines made in China are inexpensive, but don't have the quality or durability of the machines made in the US or Europe. In general, I'd recommend buying the best machine you can afford.
very nice work. what type of welding was done mig or tig on the dome you welded together
James - That was TIG welding, and I'm glad you enjoyed the video!
We did a little planishing in mettle work class at school, I suppose they were preepairing us for prison life, If you see one of those copper placks on the wall of some wones home, You know they are jail bird's, In the planishing operation they have a number of odd shaped hammers, One of the smaller tools is the Ray Poosay hammer, Tap tap tap, Tipedy tap, Tap tap. Times 6, It drives you up the wall, One of the Gaurds said he found it therapeutic, Tap tap tipedy tap.
Well, the tap-tap-tap sounds are pretty much part of metalworking. Usually the sound is tolerated by those who make the noise, but less well-liked by those around them.
Great, thanks
What's your thought on making petrol tank panels using English wheel instead of planishing
Most of the motorcycle gas (motorbike petrol) tanks I have made have been shaped with the English wheel. Here's a good example: th-cam.com/video/5nYZXBzVlEA/w-d-xo.html
What is the ticker plate that you can form? Are there similar machines for 12 Ga flat?
16 gauge is the thickest material that most of these machines can work with. The TM Technologies machine can be equipped with a heavy-duty air motor, and if so equipped, it can do some work with 12 gauge steel.
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Thanks, Do you know to find a machine air or hydraulic for 12 -10 gage? Thanks again
One source is here: www.tinmantech.com/products/forming-machines/power-hammers/
gostei muito pratico eu confeso que ainda nao tinho conhecido ea ferramenta
Fico feliz que você gostou, e que você tomou o tempo para comentar!
Does the linear stretch die lose a lot of thickness in the process?
Yes, it will thin the metal, but probably not as much as you would think.
Is there a way to shrink the metal (flat) using a planishing hammer?
+Ryan Kirk Kent White (at TM Technologies) makes a broad assortment of dies for his air hammer, and some of them can do shrinking. You can get more information at www.tinmantech.com
👏👏👏👏👏👏 excelente explicação, parabéns!!!
Maybe it’s somewhere it would be nice to see the old way of smoothing out metal by hand
You can see that here:
th-cam.com/video/XDVkqrB-Pj8/w-d-xo.html
I've seen guys spray oil on their steel parts before planishing but what can I use on aluminum ???
You can use any sort of oil for planishing aluminum, as you can for steel. The advantage is that the metal slides over the dies more easily. The disadvantage is that it's a bit messy, and requires an extra step of cleaning up.
Sir what kind of metal in your job material
Most of the demonstrations were done with 19 or 20-gauge (1 or .9 mm) steel, and a few were done with .063" (.16mm) aluminum
Equipamento muito espetacular. Ótimo trabalho
Muito obrigado!
Could not locate the Michigan Pnuematic power head you discussed in the home made hammer
Jim Nuna - their phone number is 800 521-8104.
what kind of hammer were you using to smooth the metal over the form?
The hammer being used at the 1-minute point is a Martin Light Pick Hammer
you omitted the best ones the palm type and the OX . these hand held are nogood
Thanks for mentioning those!
Parabéns... você é um mestre! ...
Muito obrigado!