@@zackariasthepirate here in nz its becoming common for the landfil.to have a shop on the side where they resell the stuff that is slightly too good to just throw in a pit. There is often windsurfing gear there, gotta nab the mast if you see it!
@@christymick141 thanks! Yes in fact in 2020 i sailed this boat around the north island, auckland to wellington nonstop, had a gale in castle point and another in the cook strait! It would have been 8 days but then i couldnt get into wellington harbour in the gale so hove to with a sea anchor, took 10 days in the end! Unfortunately this was befor i made youtube videos. The trip back up the west coast took half the time, all on one tack!
@@BalkanShipyards thanks Rael! Yeah its really a very good boat, have done some big trips in it! The biggest problem is it cant park on a beach, not upright, anyway
@@BalkanShipyards ive considered that but the keel is quite short. This boat is mid displacement. Half way between traditional long keel and fin. Has a wine glass section, but also a spade rudder. I have stood it up against a stone wall, but to do it freestanding youd need fore and aft crutches also and that feels a bit precarious
Great footage thanks! Been in the South Island last 7 years and after a month in Marllborough Sounds last year I exited and realised how much I miss the Hauraki Gulf and NE coast. Our boat used to live in Mahurangi Harbour and Moturekareka ended up being the favourite anchorage. 😊
@@FlyingboatsRCG moturekareka and mahurangi are great! Usually i would be coming from a bit further away and great barrier was my goal, so moturekareka is more of a rare treat for me. If you are in the south island, able tasman is my favorite, especially with shallow draft. The sounds are magestical but a bit hard work with the deep water and you always need to be ready to move because the wind blows straight down all the channels.
@@dominictarrsailing Abel Tasman is lovely, but quite a small area overall. Ideal for trailer boats or multis that are happy drying out. For the South Island (or beyond) I'll vote for Stewart Island as favourite cruising ground. It's simply stunning, better for sailing, nice clear water, wildlife, and not too many boats. Just temperatures can be pretty cool and if the weather systems are in full flow, it can be the wind factory. Lots of good anchorages to hole up in though. Pretty much NZ as it was once, before all the development particularly if you can make it to the southern end of the island -glorious!
@FlyingboatsRCG i went to stewart island on a family holiday once when i was 16! It was the first timeki had been someplace where you never forgot for one second that you were on an island! Will sail there, one day!!!
Great trip, I'm not even a sailor ( yet) but I love this channel and learn something every vid, can't wait for the next adventure! Hope you find a good new owner:)
Nice video. I owned Cleo mid to late 90's and had many a good trip on her. Pleased to see the platform I made stood the test of time. She had a new yanmar in her back then and did motor quite well. Good luck with the sale. Hope someone will bring it back to its former state.
Thanks for the comment! I have many questions! Was the deck painted white when you owned her? (The gelcoat is tan underneath that) Were the sails new? Did she have wind speed meter then? Grey carpet on the ceiling? I sailed her around the north island solo in 2020! Engineless, through a gale off waiarapa coast and another one in cook strait! That was coming down the east coast. Had a better run on the way back, did the west coast all on one tack!
@@dominictarrsailing The decks were mainly white with cream coloured on the anti slip areas. She did not have wind gear back then. The grey carpet on the ceiling is front runner which she had from new, stops the condensation etc. I put new sails on her late 90's. I also installed a capstan which you didnt appear to have anymore. The interior timberwork is walnut hence the dark colour.
@johnoconnor3795 oh thanks yeah the capstan had siezed when i brought it. (I use the meat winch) yeah the carpet is great! Someone after you painted the interior white, and put a grey sheet over the yellow formiquer benchtop. What about the maori carving on the post one the bulkhead? Oh and there is a proper commercial foredeck hatch. The bit around that was painted red (matching the engine room door) but then its got white paint over that.
@@dominictarrsailing What a shame painting over the lovely interior timber, but thats what people do. I cant remember the name of the builder that built the raven mk 2, but Cleo was the company owners own boat. She was at the Auck boat show in the 70's. Never could get the details re the carving but clearly was done at time of build.
@johnoconnor3795 oh interesting! I really like Cleo's interior layout. Most ravens have a skinny settee oposite the galley, with a shelf behind it, but cleo has a "double" that goes all the way to the wall. And a pop up table that i havnt popped for years... A heat gun and scraper would get that paint off. I have been doing a lot of that recently on my other boat
Moturekareka was once owned by a family friend and I used to sail out there in my old Zeddie and camp there. The island was once owned by Mr. Hansen, he purchased the Rewa and had her sunk as a breakwater, in front of a small dwelling, shared with his wife. which was removed by DOC a few years ago. A second hermit arrived at the island after Hansen. He was called Snow and I think he was the only survivor of a yacht grounding near East Cape. He was there in the early 70's when I used to visit.He had a hut in the flat area within the mined part of the island and another one built of tar paper close to the two drives behind the trees by the wharf. I recall a round or two of schnapps aboard Cleo when Herman owned her.
@@dominictarrsailing I don't recall Herman's last name but he was one of several German guys that i knew. The boat was in smart condition and I think I last saw him at the mussel fest at Gt. Barrier around 2000.
@peterswatton7400 interesting! I dont know much about the ownership history, but at a raven owner's dinner i heard about a previous owner how was a keen racer, and a couple of prize plaques... someone got her new sails, i estimate in 2000s. And windsensor and speedo (which i discovered no longer worked, shortly after purchase) someone also painted the deck and the interior while (from dark wood) but didnt do a terribly good job and its flaking now. (And they just painted around things didnt remove the deck hardware) I kinda want to paint it but the only acceptable options are to do a good job of it, or just leave it scruffy. So i have kept it scruffy but seaworthy.
That was a nice little adventure, thanks for sharing. I wonder what amazing upgrades you would come up with for a boat if you actually had the proper resources to implement everything you wanted to do.
Sad to see Cleo go.... the next owner will get a rock solid cruiser, capable to sail around New Zealand and beyond! The shot from 14:10 onwards.... what did you do to your hair?
@@brendonnz1964 wow thats amazing!!! There are still some signs of habitation , like a flattened area where his house must have been, but no structure... i guess it must have been removed when DOC took over the island
@@dominictarrsailing Yes, there used to be a Hut, all built by the Hermit. I looked into the person during covid, as a young person , used to live on Kawau Island. I think his Nickname was Snow.
@@dominictarrsailing A few of the Captains of Industry in NZ lived in Bon Accord Harbour. Sir Tom Clark being one. Sir Francis Chichester used to call into Bon Accord, and stay with people who lived there. Gipsy Moth 5. There is a Historical Home on the Upper Waitemata, Mill House and Chichester Cottage, located on the first outcrop driving West over the Greenhithe Bridge on the Left side. You can see the House. The Mill family had a Home built there, they were the first to have the License to build and maintain the Tiger Moth in the late 1920s. The Mill family owned Hobson Point.
From memory " Cleo" was an iconic Australia / New Zealand magazine in the 1970's, a women's version of playboy , that included a mix of seemingly controversial content, including the first nude male centerfold.
I didn't know that. I do remember Cleo maginize existing in the 2000s, I presume that's what the boat is named after. A knowedgable guy at the Raven's owners dinner reckoned it would have been built in 1977 (A plaque on board says it's number 91, I understand they built 150 or so)
Oi! Did you steal Ingrid's hat? On a lighter note . I was going to ask you about the length of your self steering paddle. It looks like about 2.5 metres. My plan is to make a long one out of bamboo and cut it down in 300 cm pieces until I get to the shortest operational length. Any suggestions. gary in japan
@@garymalm actually i had purchased both hats last minute befor the trip, and then lost the one i was wearing overboard while delivering Ingrid to the bus. Although it does suit Ingrid better Yeah, something like that. Its just gotts reach from the pivot on the transome to the water and not be at too steep of an angle. You have the correct approach. Everything about the design is guessed then made bigger or smaller after a trying it
Obviously you don’t need / want to have two boats. The Raven is a very sweet boat, and sails very well. Why choose the Wharram over her? Whilst I am a cat man, the space on Cleo might persuade me, especially if live aboard
@@markthomasson5077 thats a good question! The answer is that although cleo is a comfortable space at anchor, it is more difficult to find a comfortable anchorage because its deep draft, 1.5m. YL is only 0.6m just over my knees. Also, YL can dry out level, but cleo lies over 45 degrees. On YL i dry out frequently. Its great for maintance, or riding a storm or just because i want to be in that spot. It also expands significantly the places i can go. In 6 years or solidly living on cleo, i havnt yet anchored everywhere in the easy cruising of the hauraki gulf, northland, and bay of plenty, but i made good progress towards that. But in YL i can get into shallow esturaries... so now i have no hope to go everywhere haha. A catamaran is also more comfortable at sea! It doesnt roll going down wind or becalmed. But also a monohull is just a bit normie for me. I needed something a bit weirder... and a minimalist cat with a proa on the deck... no one else is doing that! Cleo does have some good advantages though, the space is one of them and another is that it tacks very well, so its much more agile in close quarters. Thats the biggest one for me. But iI dont thing.i coukd build a boat on the deck of cleo. Otoh, cleo is a solid fiberglass hull and will never need the kind of structural restoration ive dont on YL. Anyway, only half way though the summer here, (and good cruising until may, really) and YL is going back into the water this week! Would you like to come to New Zealand and take over Cleo?
@markthomasson5077 hmm but the biggest monohull advantage is that the boat market has an oversupply of durable old plastic boats. They are soooo cheap and only getting cheaper. Once upon a time a raven 26 was worth a lot of money and the cheapest way to get a boat was to build one. That is certainly not the case anymore. Unfortunately most of these fiberglass keelers are not really designed for simplicity and pragmatic living-on, so you just have to make the most of it...
That windsurfing mast is perfect. People are selling windsurf equipment dirt cheap since Kiteboarding showed up. Nice setup.
@@zackariasthepirate here in nz its becoming common for the landfil.to have a shop on the side where they resell the stuff that is slightly too good to just throw in a pit. There is often windsurfing gear there, gotta nab the mast if you see it!
@@dominictarrsailing Thats a great Idea. Ive pulled 2 perfectly good bicycles out of the trash here in the states. What a waste.
@@zackariasthepirate oh and bicycle tube is very useful for temporary lashing, free from the bike shop if you ask nicely
Pretty sure I learn something new every video. Thanks, please keep up the great work
My type of sailing..keep up with the videos-they’re excellent.
Good luck with selling the Raven-excellent boats and very offshore capable.
@@christymick141 thanks! Yes in fact in 2020 i sailed this boat around the north island, auckland to wellington nonstop, had a gale in castle point and another in the cook strait! It would have been 8 days but then i couldnt get into wellington harbour in the gale so hove to with a sea anchor, took 10 days in the end! Unfortunately this was befor i made youtube videos. The trip back up the west coast took half the time, all on one tack!
Good luck with finding the next sailor for Cleo!
Cool video captain 👨✈️ keep it up ❤
Terrific video, sailing adventures, history, scenery, tips and tricks, - everything a video sailor needs 🙂
Nice cruiser, moves well, seems like a nice first boat.... Good luck with the sale!
Best wishes for 25, all d best!
@@BalkanShipyards thanks Rael! Yeah its really a very good boat, have done some big trips in it! The biggest problem is it cant park on a beach, not upright, anyway
@@dominictarrsailing It can, just needs crutches and a tidal range... But it's not the real thing! I agree.
@@BalkanShipyards ive considered that but the keel is quite short. This boat is mid displacement. Half way between traditional long keel and fin. Has a wine glass section, but also a spade rudder. I have stood it up against a stone wall, but to do it freestanding youd need fore and aft crutches also and that feels a bit precarious
Great footage thanks! Been in the South Island last 7 years and after a month in Marllborough Sounds last year I exited and realised how much I miss the Hauraki Gulf and NE coast. Our boat used to live in Mahurangi Harbour and Moturekareka ended up being the favourite anchorage. 😊
@@FlyingboatsRCG moturekareka and mahurangi are great! Usually i would be coming from a bit further away and great barrier was my goal, so moturekareka is more of a rare treat for me. If you are in the south island, able tasman is my favorite, especially with shallow draft. The sounds are magestical but a bit hard work with the deep water and you always need to be ready to move because the wind blows straight down all the channels.
@@dominictarrsailing Abel Tasman is lovely, but quite a small area overall. Ideal for trailer boats or multis that are happy drying out. For the South Island (or beyond) I'll vote for Stewart Island as favourite cruising ground. It's simply stunning, better for sailing, nice clear water, wildlife, and not too many boats. Just temperatures can be pretty cool and if the weather systems are in full flow, it can be the wind factory. Lots of good anchorages to hole up in though. Pretty much NZ as it was once, before all the development particularly if you can make it to the southern end of the island -glorious!
@FlyingboatsRCG i went to stewart island on a family holiday once when i was 16! It was the first timeki had been someplace where you never forgot for one second that you were on an island! Will sail there, one day!!!
Excellent narration. Thank you very much.
Great trip, I'm not even a sailor ( yet) but I love this channel and learn something every vid, can't wait for the next adventure! Hope you find a good new owner:)
Nice video. I owned Cleo mid to late 90's and had many a good trip on her. Pleased to see the platform I made stood the test of time. She had a new yanmar in her back then and did motor quite well. Good luck with the sale. Hope someone will bring it back to its former state.
Thanks for the comment! I have many questions! Was the deck painted white when you owned her? (The gelcoat is tan underneath that)
Were the sails new? Did she have wind speed meter then? Grey carpet on the ceiling?
I sailed her around the north island solo in 2020! Engineless, through a gale off waiarapa coast and another one in cook strait! That was coming down the east coast. Had a better run on the way back, did the west coast all on one tack!
@@dominictarrsailing The decks were mainly white with cream coloured on the anti slip areas. She did not have wind gear back then. The grey carpet on the ceiling is front runner which she had from new, stops the condensation etc. I put new sails on her late 90's. I also installed a capstan which you didnt appear to have anymore. The interior timberwork is walnut hence the dark colour.
@johnoconnor3795 oh thanks yeah the capstan had siezed when i brought it. (I use the meat winch) yeah the carpet is great!
Someone after you painted the interior white, and put a grey sheet over the yellow formiquer benchtop.
What about the maori carving on the post one the bulkhead?
Oh and there is a proper commercial foredeck hatch. The bit around that was painted red (matching the engine room door) but then its got white paint over that.
@@dominictarrsailing What a shame painting over the lovely interior timber, but thats what people do. I cant remember the name of the builder that built the raven mk 2, but Cleo was the company owners own boat. She was at the Auck boat show in the 70's. Never could get the details re the carving but clearly was done at time of build.
@johnoconnor3795 oh interesting! I really like Cleo's interior layout. Most ravens have a skinny settee oposite the galley, with a shelf behind it, but cleo has a "double" that goes all the way to the wall. And a pop up table that i havnt popped for years...
A heat gun and scraper would get that paint off. I have been doing a lot of that recently on my other boat
Moturekareka was once owned by a family friend and I used to sail out there in my old Zeddie and camp there. The island was once owned by Mr. Hansen, he purchased the Rewa and had her sunk as a breakwater, in front of a small dwelling, shared with his wife. which was removed by DOC a few years ago. A second hermit arrived at the island after Hansen. He was called Snow and I think he was the only survivor of a yacht grounding near East Cape. He was there in the early 70's when I used to visit.He had a hut in the flat area within the mined part of the island and another one built of tar paper close to the two drives behind the trees by the wharf. I recall a round or two of schnapps aboard Cleo when Herman owned her.
wow, great history! you knew a previous owner of my boat? do you recall when that would have been?
Hi Peter, thank you for the information, great reading.
I spoke to an Old Timer, John Killick, used to live in Schoolhouse bay in the 1950s and 60s, used to host Sir Fracis Chichester.
@@dominictarrsailing I don't recall Herman's last name but he was one of several German guys that i knew. The boat was in smart condition and I think I last saw him at the mussel fest at Gt. Barrier around 2000.
@peterswatton7400 interesting! I dont know much about the ownership history, but at a raven owner's dinner i heard about a previous owner how was a keen racer, and a couple of prize plaques... someone got her new sails, i estimate in 2000s. And windsensor and speedo (which i discovered no longer worked, shortly after purchase) someone also painted the deck and the interior while (from dark wood) but didnt do a terribly good job and its flaking now. (And they just painted around things didnt remove the deck hardware) I kinda want to paint it but the only acceptable options are to do a good job of it, or just leave it scruffy. So i have kept it scruffy but seaworthy.
That was a nice little adventure, thanks for sharing. I wonder what amazing upgrades you would come up with for a boat if you actually had the proper resources to implement everything you wanted to do.
I do have some in mind for this boat, but thats gonna be up to the next owner!
Cool video. Are you still on the hard? Next time I'm up that way it would be great to drop by to say g'day.
@@waughthogwaugh3078 yup, relaunch soon though! 23rd jan!!! Norsand boatyard
Sad to see Cleo go.... the next owner will get a rock solid cruiser, capable to sail around New Zealand and beyond! The shot from 14:10 onwards.... what did you do to your hair?
@@MdG-o2q indeed! Not sure, was just having a good hair day i guess
Thankyou.
Where did you get that done from? That's banging...
@@SouthWestNz the dinghy? It was on trademe. Mostly they are deflatables and tinnys but sometimes there is a proper dinghy
@@dominictarrsailing I think SWNz misspelled "Dome".
Oh the dome! Cambrian plastics. It was $135 they can make any size pretty much!
@@dominictarrsailing yeah mate. dome. But auto correct is always savage
Great audio on this one!
thanks, G-Rad!
kawau is still home to wallaby and peacocks imported by governor Grey, at one time he had zebras and mokeys running wild on there
I can remember seeing the Hermit still living on Moturekareka in 1980.
@@brendonnz1964 wow thats amazing!!! There are still some signs of habitation , like a flattened area where his house must have been, but no structure... i guess it must have been removed when DOC took over the island
Another commenter said there was a second hermit, named "snow"
ictarrsaili Have you ever just sat in that spot and just listened to the sound . It's amplified and quite interesting.
@@dominictarrsailing Yes, there used to be a Hut, all built by the Hermit. I looked into the person during covid, as a young person , used to live on Kawau Island. I think his Nickname was Snow.
@@dominictarrsailing A few of the Captains of Industry in NZ lived in Bon Accord Harbour. Sir Tom Clark being one. Sir Francis Chichester used to call into Bon Accord, and stay with people who lived there. Gipsy Moth 5. There is a Historical Home on the Upper Waitemata, Mill House and Chichester Cottage, located on the first outcrop driving West over the Greenhithe Bridge on the Left side. You can see the House. The Mill family had a Home built there, they were the first to have the License to build and maintain the Tiger Moth in the late 1920s. The Mill family owned Hobson Point.
Good score on the Dingbat, looks like a Nutshell?
very good spotting! yes it is a nutshell. rows very nicely, not nearly as exciting to sail as the proa but still nice
"Diese Doku hat alles - Spannung, Drama und unerwartete Wendungen! 🎬"
👍!!!
Getting out of the city.
From memory " Cleo" was an iconic Australia / New Zealand magazine in the 1970's, a women's version of playboy , that included a mix of seemingly controversial content, including the first nude male centerfold.
I didn't know that. I do remember Cleo maginize existing in the 2000s, I presume that's what the boat is named after. A knowedgable guy at the Raven's owners dinner reckoned it would have been built in 1977 (A plaque on board says it's number 91, I understand they built 150 or so)
@@dominictarrsailing I like the name hope she finds a new owner
Oi! Did you steal Ingrid's hat?
On a lighter note . I was going to ask you about the length of your self steering paddle.
It looks like about 2.5 metres.
My plan is to make a long one out of bamboo and cut it down in 300 cm pieces until I get to the shortest operational length.
Any suggestions.
gary in japan
@@garymalm actually i had purchased both hats last minute befor the trip, and then lost the one i was wearing overboard while delivering Ingrid to the bus. Although it does suit Ingrid better
Yeah, something like that. Its just gotts reach from the pivot on the transome to the water and not be at too steep of an angle. You have the correct approach. Everything about the design is guessed then made bigger or smaller after a trying it
Obviously you don’t need / want to have two boats.
The Raven is a very sweet boat, and sails very well.
Why choose the Wharram over her?
Whilst I am a cat man, the space on Cleo might persuade me, especially if live aboard
@@markthomasson5077 thats a good question! The answer is that although cleo is a comfortable space at anchor, it is more difficult to find a comfortable anchorage because its deep draft, 1.5m. YL is only 0.6m just over my knees. Also, YL can dry out level, but cleo lies over 45 degrees. On YL i dry out frequently. Its great for maintance, or riding a storm or just because i want to be in that spot. It also expands significantly the places i can go. In 6 years or solidly living on cleo, i havnt yet anchored everywhere in the easy cruising of the hauraki gulf, northland, and bay of plenty, but i made good progress towards that. But in YL i can get into shallow esturaries... so now i have no hope to go everywhere haha.
A catamaran is also more comfortable at sea! It doesnt roll going down wind or becalmed.
But also a monohull is just a bit normie for me. I needed something a bit weirder... and a minimalist cat with a proa on the deck... no one else is doing that!
Cleo does have some good advantages though, the space is one of them and another is that it tacks very well, so its much more agile in close quarters. Thats the biggest one for me. But iI dont thing.i coukd build a boat on the deck of cleo. Otoh, cleo is a solid fiberglass hull and will never need the kind of structural restoration ive dont on YL.
Anyway, only half way though the summer here, (and good cruising until may, really) and YL is going back into the water this week! Would you like to come to New Zealand and take over Cleo?
@ haha…thanks for the offer..but I am a cat man.
Good to hear your reasoning, you could have done an episode on the subject
@markthomasson5077 hmm but the biggest monohull advantage is that the boat market has an oversupply of durable old plastic boats. They are soooo cheap and only getting cheaper. Once upon a time a raven 26 was worth a lot of money and the cheapest way to get a boat was to build one. That is certainly not the case anymore. Unfortunately most of these fiberglass keelers are not really designed for simplicity and pragmatic living-on, so you just have to make the most of it...