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Is Agents of SHIELD STILL in the MCU?
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- Is Agents of SHIELD STILL in the MCU?
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sent you an email about what i think as it's long.
The Agents saw the whole planet die. They already grieved the people on earth in the first few episodes of season 5.
They out of everyone in the MCU would be the least effected by the lost.
Loki season two showed us that the sacred timeline is made up of a bunch of different timelines being woven together by the loom.
loki sries made no sense at all...and now less sense when in deadpool 3 ,aparently there is a FOX TVA
I love Agents Of Shield and thank you for keeping them alive through your videos. My only feedback is slow down when you're talking cause i can't understand what you're saying sometimes when you're talking so fast and your words get jumbled together.
Coulson, Ward and FitzSimmons explored the Void before Loki and Deadpool
Didn't gravitron address Thanos lightly in his fight against daisy
I think the show is canon till season 5 after that they don't talk about the blip and is effect but I mean if they make it all canon that would be great
That’s a good point. My thought process was the were hopping through different timelines when it was happening. Since I don’t know agents of shield timeline in conjunction with the mcu it made since to me that they were in a different timeline when it happened therefore it didn’t effect the team. But even if that were the case them not speaking on it is odd. Even if they contacted the remaining avengers and let them deal with it. It could even be that they just didn’t have the time to acknowledge it considering what they were already dealing with and they didn’t even get to the og timeline until close to the end.
I always thought it was canon and I always will
It’s CANON for f*ck sakes lol Fiege have NEVER once comes and said it was not ! He’s been asked this so many times in public and said yes they apart of the MCU timeline
YES, yes and Yes it’s CANONNNNN!!!
The whole Multiverse thing covers anything can be canon, it’s just not necessarily sacred timeline. Also they cross timelines so it’s kind of built in that it’s not entirely cannon which I think is a good thing, the writing got significantly better and more creative when they broke away from the MCU mold and were less restricted in how bonkers things could get. Later seasons much better Ghost Rider, Aida, SARGE, and Deek are all top characters for me.
There's a difference between timelines and multiverse universe. or at least there should be. timelines are branches of the same apple tree while a multiverse is an apple tree farm. Jumping through univers explain why america can go to a paint universe or a universe xmen universe.
also dr strange starting point was that moment of time travel. lets say looking at april 1- 30th. U start on the 10th. all times u visit would all have 1-10 the same. Esiest way to really stop thanos would be to go back in time but... that would be too easy
It’s established multiple times that going back to the past doesn’t change your present lol. Which is why the avengers went back to their present to bring everyone back instead of trying to stop Thanos before it happens. All going back does is changes that timeline you went back to future. The only thing you can do to change a the present is erase timeline otherwise whatever you change is not a change you just create a branch and when you go back to your og timeline nothing will have changed. To change your future or present you have to change the present not the past.
@@paulbrown9328 ewww did u just explain the plot and while also not understanding a word i just said? while also thinking i dont know this or have heard or watch the same flim that said that? WTF are u talking about?! are u dense?!!!
@@paulbrown9328 also what u just explained is that they actually failed 100% in the orginal main timeline because the current timeline is a new branched timeline. he kept of going back in time because he wanted to get it right.
lets say strange check 50 timelines, or went through 50 times, in order to fix it. the first timeline would of been the original timeline so every other timeline would branched. so if all the timelines he check were branched till the right one came, he might as well of went back in time and stop thanos in the past and stayed there in facted thats what he did. also he didnt know about the hulk's explanation. Also as just because hulk explained it that way that doesnt mean that is the case. TBA kinda spit in the face of that explanation
Doctor Strange didn't see 14 million different realities (or universes). He saw 14 million different outcomes from their current reality. Stark asks "How many did we win?" The Word "we" refers to the MCU proper that Tony and them were in. It did not refer to the reality in Doctor Strange 2. Hope that makes sense.
Its a bit more complicated then that. A more accurate way to describe it is that he calculated different outcomes by changing out variables in the situation. With that said, based on the rest of the MCUs branch timeline logic, those universes/timelines could have very well have been created. It might not have been all 14 million but I a number of branches should have been created.
Also keep in mind, those 14 million account for possible branches over the 5+ years between the prediction and the intended outcome.
@@Likeomgitznich I still disagree. The only characters he is working with are the people in his current reality. He's not looking at other worlds in the multiverse at all. He would have never seen Professor X or Black Bolt because they are in a parallel universe.
I completely get what you're saying but I think we're both going for the same point here, maybe I didn't articulate as well in the video but I often see the question asked about how the Doctor Strange in Infinity War moment doesn't work with S5 of SHIELD, and I was kinda trying to say that SHIELD S5 being an alternate reality for the most part is why and going off What If and Multiverse of Madness you can see that alternate realities don't fall into Stephen's 14 million outcome scenarios. So I think we're on the same page.
@@Ex1toverhere Yup, it makes sense. We are on the same page. I hear they are going to pull the Fantastic Four from another reality into the main MCU reality. They could do the same with AoS if they wanted to.
@@Likeomgitznich this sounds like you missed the point. in each one of those timelines he can only effect his choices from the point he started out with.
In my opinion its definitely cannon. The only show that the MCU has put out that was as good was Loki. After Loki no other Marvel show is as good as AGENTS of Sheild.
No Stan Lee, No Canon.
AOS is superior and more canon to anything in Phases 4 or 5 to fans like me 😎
fun fact the LOKI series sacrd timeline madE NO SENSE at all..
1º in dr strange 1 ancient one tell us than they use"energy from other universes",,also wong mentioned the MULTIVERSE by name,,
2ºcaptain america travel back in time to gave back the stones ,,how he could do that if TVA proned the timeline in episode 1?
3º with DEADPOOL 3 is showed than FOX UNIVERSE got his own TVA...
I think AoS is canon to the MCU up to season 5. I think that when they come back to the present, they end up in a different reality where the Infinity War never happens. Maybe Thanos is still planning it (or maybe he met T'Challa and decided to abandon his plan). I don't think an event as massive as the snap can be so completely ignored, even if none of our heroes was affected which is really improbable. Also at the end of the series SHIELD may have decided to keep a lower profile but they still have the Triskelion and a helicarrier, they can't be completely ignored either. And with Sword they mostly lost their place in the universe.
Like Wanda's death, she ain't alive until she is. As much as I'd love for SHIELD to be part of the MCU, for now its part of the MCM. The Multiverse. But who knows?
I personally disagree but hey look, at the moment it's all fan theories! Until we get some official word neither of us are fully right and neither of us are fully wrong.
Except it was established as being part of the MCU from the start. So it is canon until they say it isn't.
Let’s explain here up until THE SECOND HALF of season 5 the show branches away from the MCU due the Russo Brothers and ABC Studios mess up, in season 5 they named dropped thanos they was clearly setting up the infinity war tie in… The Russo Brothers did not want spoilers of IW and EG to be leaked on a TV show and ABC studios could not give The studio a concrete date on when season 5 would premiere since they both film and AoS would come out around the same time so the Russos and Feige just stopped giving the show runners notes on what was happening in the two big films which forced the show runners to write their own ending … in Season 7 the show runners confirmed that there is 20 min deleted scene of the last episode when Fitz comes back through the quantum realm and tells the team all about IW and EG and how they are in the wrong timeline and they need go back etc etc that was cuts do to runtime
Ooh do you know if those deleted scenes were released. How do you know about this?
Loki escaped after 2012 in new York and he is the reason why agents of shield can happen, they weren't in the sacred timeline they are a branch of the sacred timeline the mcu, so they are am offshot, and from around infinity war ended, Sword took their role in the mcu
the sacred timeline got no SENSE,,
How did they find Loki sceptre in age of ultron without caulson then
@omas1178 No one ever mentioned that the information that lead them there in the sacred timeline was from Coulson as far as the avengers knew he is dead!
@@davidrohde2636 in the show he's the one that found it for Maria hill and she relayed it onto the avengers. If the show isn't cannon then there is no way for them to acquire this information
It's not MCU sacred timline canon until it's confirmed on Disney Plus like the Marvel Netflix shows.
I am sorry, no offence, but most of the video is "wishful thinking": it is well known that Feige was in a constant conflict with Ike Perlmutter and Jeph Loeb who was running Marvel Television. Feige has never considered AoS a part of his MCU cannon, and the same is true for any other show greenlight by Loeb. When Perlmutter and Loeb had more influence, they were able to force some cooperation with Feige, but Feige got support from Bob Iger and was able to remove both of them from the picture entirely. (Iger obviously had his own qualms with Perlmutter, which led to a long conflict resulting with ousted Perlmutter siding with Nelson Peltz). The timeline of the connections/lack of the connection between AoS and MCU matches exactly with particular stages of Perlmutter/Loeb/Feige/Iger conflict. Now it is clear that Feige has never considered AoS cannon, and for him this show should be best forgotten.
Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D can't be canon to the MCU at the moment because it's not on the official Disney Plus MCU timeline, not the book the official timeline on Disney Plus.
I mean, Agent Carter isn't on that timeline yet either, and that had Feige's direct involvement. While I think the timeline is a great way to go "This is officially canon", it's not the final point. It gets changed all the time. Agent Carter is the one show that a year ago most people agreed was canon, but that's still not on the timeline, despite Jarvis in Endgame, the Russos and Feige being involved in it, references to the show in Civil War.
@@Ex1toverhere Someone who works at Marvel officially said that what's canon is on the MCU timeline on Disney Plus minus the MCU Spiderman movies because they are Sony.
@@thomasbennett0 Okay but the Defenders shows weren't on there until recently, showing that the timeline changes a lot, Agent Carter was called official canon for years by people at Marvel and isn't on the timeline. It changes all the time, it's not the final definitive answer for what is and isn't canon.
@@Ex1toverhere According to the people at Marvel if it's on the MCU timeline on Disney Plus it's canon. The only MCU projects that are canon and not on the Disney Plus timeline are the Tom Holland Spiderman movies and only because they aren't on Disney Plus.
@@thomasbennett0yeah and they'll put AOS on next time they're revealed in something. Like all hail the king before shang chi and daredevil after echo. Just because they haven't done it yet doesn't mean it's not cannon it's a needless spoiler for one of their upcoming reveals and cannot be trusted.