Click here for the BEHIND-THE-SCENES "highs and lows of meeting Roger Penrose": th-cam.com/video/atlBmRGKkkA/w-d-xo.html SPONSOR (THE ECONOMIST): As a listener of TOE, you can now enjoy full digital access to The Economist. Get a 20% off discount by visiting: www.economist.com/toe TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 - Intro 01:22 - Cosmology and Twistor Theory 15:00 - “Most Significant Thought I Had” 20:45 - “Twistors Are Inherently Chiral” 25:34 - Extra Dimensions 27:02 - Algebraic and Differential Geometry 37:57 - Alexander Grothendieck 40:36 - Gravity and Quantum Mechanics 43:00 - Collapse of the Wave Function 53:04 - Gravitational Fields and the Wave Function 01:11:02 - Free Will 01:14:03 - Is the Universe Discrete or Continuous? 01:16:35 - Ai’s Capabilities 01:19:09 - Many Worlds Theory 01:20:38 - Idealism 01:21:35 - CCC 01:23:31 - Roger’s Legacy 01:33:25 - Outro / Support TOE
DUAL TWISTORS! Null vectors (light rays, Bosons) are dual to null spinors (Particles, Fermions) -- Twistor space. Positive is dual to negative -- numbers, frequencies, electric charge, curvature. Conformally invariant is dual to conformally variant (conjugates). Complex conjugates are not holomorphic or complex differentiable -- conformally variant. Real is dual to imaginary -- complex numbers are dual. Homology is dual to co-homology. "Always two there are" -- Yoda. Synchronic points/lines are dual to enchronic points/lines -- the principle of duality in geometry!
I met Roger Penrose at a lecture he gave in Toronto. There was a heckler. Sir Roger just replied, "I have no opinion. I only care about what is true." What a gracious and honest person.
@@artophile7777 "A heckler is a person who harasses and tries to disconcert others with questions, challenges, or gibes. Hecklers are often known to shout discouraging comments at a performance or event, or to interrupt set-piece speeches, with the intent of disturbing performers or participants."
Today I found out that Roger Penrose has integrity, dropping truth bombs and setting the record straight while he still has the stage. I hope this inspires the next generation to forge a different path, and question past assumptions
"Truth bombs"? He didn't explain much why it's outrageous other than it does not follow his view of reality even thought the experiments have been done over and over again and show beyond a doubt that the observer causes the collapse not the apparatus. Maybe it wouldn't be that outrageous if he finally mans up admits that consciousness is the ontological primitive from which the material world derives. Hindu religions or philosophies have believed in this version of reality (Maya) for millennia. it's not something new.
@@EstherJimenez-oi3ck I can't wait until people lose all the money they invested in their magic computers. There's no point having a high IQ if you're too scared to question your superiors or your peers. I don't fear a dictator anywhere near as much as I fear the average follower. The pandemic has shown me how easily fear can be used to turn 90 percent of the population into nazis. Herd mentality is real and is even more dangerous when used to control people who could think for themselves but choose to defer their thinking to others.
been stating my disagreement with big bang and am curious about his idea -- still think the original universe arose from empty space which arose from absolute nothing and may have been tillion years ago relative earth time frame ----- since then it has been subdividing like in cell division and explains white light at the separation and an instance of growth[so to speak] and instance of heat ----- remember Betlejuese super novaed 600 years ago and our division occurred 14 billion years or so in the past AND may be on the brink of our subdivision !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so our existence is some huge amount of time in coming about [trillions of light years perhaps !
40 years ago I was in Cambridge having lunch... My colleague was a PhD in Theoretical Physics and I asked him if he had met other geniuses. There was one at the table he were sitting at... I expected to hear Hawking but he demurred saying he was not in the category. He mentioned a name that was unknown to me ' Roger Penrose is genius' he said. He had worked with Rhys person. And Abdus Salaam... And also the person sitting at our table. He was right.
I don't have the math to follow Penrose in most situations but, for whatever reason, I can visualize what he says. The Emperor's New Mind was such a great read when I was younger. Great interview, Curt.
13:43 i agree 👍🏼 good clip. In 4d a 3d sphere can be thought of like a 2d circle... Infinite amounts of two-dimensional circles can stack into any size 3D sphere...
@@je25ff lucky you! I can't even visualise what he says. The weird thing is, though is that I still get hooked up and listen. He's mesmerizing to listen to.
I love Penrose’s aversion to feel like an old man telling anecdotes even though they’re fascinating. He wants to live in the present and continue talking current math and physics. As an older guy myself, I always shared this discomfort about slipping into one of my stories when I met people because it kind of always felt like a crutch to me where I didn’t have any interesting new ideas to talk about… :(😢
Definitely tell your stories to your kids and grandkids if you have any. They're the people who will appreciate them. I'm so grateful for hearing my grandad's stories, and I try my best to listen to all of my grandma's. My family has stories passed down from my great great grandfather, about how he was a teenage field medic during the American civil war. We also have stories about one of my French ancestors making his was from France, to the Canadian territories, and then coming down into the Montana region and marrying one of my Native American ancestors during the early 1700s. I can't guarantee that anyone else will like your stories, but who knows, your descendants could be retelling your stories 300 years from now. That's worth an immense amount.
I've enjoyed retelling the stories told to me by relatives that were born in the 00s,20s and 30s. I get a real thrill knowing that one day they will be repeated by my daughter to my grandchildren and great grandchildren. It saddens me that I can only go as far back as the mid 1800s. The rest is sadly lost to the mists of time
Well today you are blessed with the choice of alternative routes .You might choose to record your experiences to the written word or in our tech world use voice to text or even audio recording .
Ok. That's understandable but there should be at least one recording of each of those anecdotes within the scientific community for posterity because they might contain a connecting link that would help a young scientist in the future.
@@spracketskoochExcellent point! Another was made by Roger C. Schank regarding corporate memory. If one indexes the story well enough, it can be found by an AI system and brought to the attention of someone for whom the story is very relevant.
At the end there you asked him about the current state of physics as a profession, and he said "I shouldn't be rude about things I don't understand." (Because he doesn't know what people do in physics nowadays) That's such a wise thing to say. It's not that you shouldn't be rude ever, but you should only be rude about things that you understand. It's hard to repeat the sentiment aptly but I'll try, and I'll definitely teach this to my children. Thanks for the interview and thank you to Sir Penrose
There are a lot of major scientists who hate scientism. And nearly 100% scientists aren't afraid to say I/we don't know. It's one of the most important part of science anyway. So, don't worry. However, Sir Rozer Penrose is great in many ways, over many dimensions. I wish I get to meet him someday.
@@randomchannel-px6ho I guess you could call it anti-dogmatism. If you want to suck the willy of the mainstream science establishment go right ahead, it stopped being my problem long ago.
Once I had an opportunity to talk with Roger and Micheal berry was also there. Many in public community and Physicists think Roger's idea (0:34) on intercession of Equivalence principle and Quantam superposition are dump. But Michael berry mentioned it as a profound and important thing others forget. Roger is 93. But still this age haven't affected him intellectualy. Hope he stays with us forever ❤❤
DUAL TWISTORS! Null vectors (light rays, Bosons) are dual to null spinors (Particles, Fermions) -- Twistor space. Positive is dual to negative -- numbers, frequencies, electric charge, curvature. Conformally invariant is dual to conformally variant (conjugates). Complex conjugates are not holomorphic or complex differentiable -- conformally variant. Real is dual to imaginary -- complex numbers are dual. Homology is dual to co-homology. "Always two there are" -- Yoda. Synchronic points/lines are dual to enchronic points/lines -- the principle of duality in geometry!
DUAL TWISTORS! Null vectors (light rays, Bosons) are dual to null spinors (Particles, Fermions) -- Twistor space. Positive is dual to negative -- numbers, frequencies, electric charge, curvature. Conformally invariant is dual to conformally variant (conjugates). Complex conjugates are not holomorphic or complex differentiable -- conformally variant. Real is dual to imaginary -- complex numbers are dual. Homology is dual to co-homology. "Always two there are" -- Yoda. Synchronic points/lines are dual to enchronic points/lines -- the principle of duality in geometry! Your mind is syntropic as you integrate information to synthesize reality -- integration is dual to differentiation.
I listened to a bunch of podcasts with Roger Penrose in the last 6-7 years, and I honestly think he was somehow the most relaxed and himself in this one, which is a sign that either he ran out of fucks to give, or he likes you Curt =) Great pod - I laughed when he admitted at his age he doesnt do physics, he does anecdotes. This man has forgotten 100x more than any of us will ever learn in our lifetimes, and I think at this point he is left with grand ideas in his head rather than exact formulations of things. Loved this episode, especially the second half! Thanks Curt
DUAL TWISTORS! Null vectors (light rays, Bosons) are dual to null spinors (Particles, Fermions) -- Twistor space. Positive is dual to negative -- numbers, frequencies, electric charge, curvature. Conformally invariant is dual to conformally variant (conjugates). Complex conjugates are not holomorphic or complex differentiable -- conformally variant. Real is dual to imaginary -- complex numbers are dual. Homology is dual to co-homology. "Always two there are" -- Yoda. Synchronic points/lines are dual to enchronic points/lines -- the principle of duality in geometry! Your mind is syntropic as you integrate information to synthesize reality -- integration is dual to differentiation.
😂I fell asleep watching one thing and woke to this, I first questioned myself “I am dreaming?” I understand English and most subjects I can follow. This is beyond me and my interest is next to zero but I could listen to this man based on the passion in his voice and the every fifty sentences I understand.
Gravitational Fields and the Wave Function was mind bending. Needless to say so was the rest of this conversation. We are lucky to be alive to be listening to such a brilliant person!
Even for an amateur like me, interested in the topic from a philosophical standpoint, it's remarkable that the simple reassurance Penrose gets in the beginning from Curt to not shy away from being technical makes way for a surprisingly comprehensible conversation. Indeed, most of the technical stuff I don't understand but when he arrives at topics that are somewhat familiar to me, his views of what he thinks is fundamental are very fruitful. Good work!
Amazing, thank you Curt! Looking forward to listning to this. Sir Penrose 93 is years old, and still the most inspiring scientist alive for many in younger generations.
Awesome discussion, thank you both! Sir Penrose’s greatest gift is his ability to NOT remember arbitrary terms…I can relate. His ability to communicate complex ideas in relatable terms/examples is under appreciated imo. Have a great weekend All!✌🏼🤙🏼😊
@@TheoriesofEverything13:43 i agree 👍🏼 good clip. In 4d a 3d sphere can be thought of like a 2d circle... Infinite amounts of two-dimensional circles can stack into any size 3D sphere...
but im sorry before you call, many have said , they are unbreakable, but many have failed and get broken by dr käptin obvious. truth hurts as a btc, hard to find a life meaning again. I can take it all away. :D
Great little moment at 76 minutes, thank you both very much for sharing your time, work, knowledge and experience Roger, and Curt, heavy conversation, Professor Penrose's time is precious right now, thank you again Roger, peace
Subscribed. This is a great interview. I met him once. I doubt that he would remember. It was a very small meeting with some physicists and grad students. We were told to keep his presence at the university a secret in order to avoid a huge crowd of people showing up. 😅 As you can see from the interview, he is very good at giving a pedestrian description of rather complicated ideas. This is an incredibly valuable skill, especially to people, such as myself, who are not up on the fine details of twistor theory.
It just blows my mind that we are so privileged to be alive and in the presence of an historical figure, a genius of the highest caliber who will be discussed for an hundred years to come!
You see, when I was in graduate school back in 1991 or so he was seen as an outlier of physics. His book, "Emperor's New Mind" was not well regarded and he was pushed outside, ridiculed. Look at now: Penrose is the brightest mind at this age. That is the bright side of life. Glad to see him so openly blunt in this talk, enjoyed every minute of it. Thanks Curt.
I understand 0% of this, but I love listening. I’m hoping something is going in. Always feels like a privilege to live in a time where I can just listen in free to the great minds of our time.
DUAL TWISTORS! Null vectors (light rays, Bosons) are dual to null spinors (Particles, Fermions) -- Twistor space. Positive is dual to negative -- numbers, frequencies, electric charge, curvature. Conformally invariant is dual to conformally variant (conjugates). Complex conjugates are not holomorphic or complex differentiable -- conformally variant. Real is dual to imaginary -- complex numbers are dual. Homology is dual to co-homology. "Always two there are" -- Yoda. Synchronic points/lines are dual to enchronic points/lines -- the principle of duality in geometry!
This video will be played times n times again to understand where we are in the main stream research to find a theory of everything, TOE. Really greatful to you for bringing this video, you are also leaving your legacy for letting Sir Roger Penrose speak the hard physics on your podcast. It is highly useful in many ways. Thank You, Curt.❤❤❤
Fantastic interview. I most appreciated that you didn't shy away from the details. I have the impression this is truly the best way to get to know Roger, through his life's work.
You told him he can get technical and you forgot he’s the world’s currently living greatest scientist, so he immediately switched modes and became incomprehensible. Thanks, bro.
No conversation among physicists on the fundamenal theories of their field that is comprehensible by the general public. But some of us an enjoy watching the interactions of experts during a revolution in a science, especially if we have read the more understandable first parts ofThomas Kuhn's great essay, "The Structure of Scientific Revolutions."
@@luigicantoviani323 its witten and its not even close. Even the "string theory is not even wrong" people admit he's spooky smart, like he actually scares people
DUAL TWISTORS! Null vectors (light rays, Bosons) are dual to null spinors (Particles, Fermions) -- Twistor space. Positive is dual to negative -- numbers, frequencies, electric charge, curvature. Conformally invariant is dual to conformally variant (conjugates). Complex conjugates are not holomorphic or complex differentiable -- conformally variant. Real is dual to imaginary -- complex numbers are dual. Homology is dual to co-homology. "Always two there are" -- Yoda. Synchronic points/lines are dual to enchronic points/lines -- the principle of duality in geometry! Your mind is syntropic as you integrate information to synthesize reality -- integration is dual to differentiation.
Sir Roger Penrose is one of the most brilliant thinkers of mankind. It's such a great pleasure to listen to him. He is so clear and visionary at the same time.
Wow. New to your channel and was, quite literally, just searching through your backlog, hoping you had a chance to pick more from Penrose's impressive grey matter. Wonderful timing.
Welcome. I'm so glad Pete! Hopefully you enjoy some of the other podcasts on the channel as well (such as th-cam.com/play/PLZ7ikzmc6zlN6E8KrxcYCWQIHg2tfkqvR.html). - Curt
@@TheoriesofEverything the part about Sir Roger’s most inportant thought is just magical, truly awesome display of how geometrical imagination is the true philosopher’s stone and the cauldron in which the discovery process happens for elite mathematicians. similar to Poincare, on the other hand Gauss was analytical/algebraic mostly in his modality. the greatests mathematicians like Penrose are ultimately immersed infinitely deeply in imagination (geometry) and work out algebraic details only after they have a comlplete and sound image/vision in their minds. the proof is seen first, only then expressed in algebraic terms. marvelous
DUAL TWISTORS! Null vectors (light rays, Bosons) are dual to null spinors (Particles, Fermions) -- Twistor space. Positive is dual to negative -- numbers, frequencies, electric charge, curvature. Conformally invariant is dual to conformally variant (conjugates). Complex conjugates are not holomorphic or complex differentiable -- conformally variant. Real is dual to imaginary -- complex numbers are dual. Homology is dual to co-homology. "Always two there are" -- Yoda. Synchronic points/lines are dual to enchronic points/lines -- the principle of duality in geometry!
Thank you Curt, for you decency, openness and respect for the required scientific rigor and willingness to make deeply technical interview videos. It is so refreshing and really what we needed as modern evolved humans living in more evolved times. Please continue and do let us know if you require any assistance in your endeavor. We are all getting lifted by your work and helped to build further.
Professor Penrose's theory on quantum consciousness is a fascinating perspective that challenges conventional thinking. Although it has not been scientifically proven, his willingness to explore non-traditional paths in physics and seek new possibilities is truly admirable. His insights may very well inspire future scientific breakthroughs. After all, science is constantly evolving. Thank you for sharing such a thought-provoking video!
DUAL TWISTORS! Null vectors (light rays, Bosons) are dual to null spinors (Particles, Fermions) -- Twistor space. Positive is dual to negative -- numbers, frequencies, electric charge, curvature. Conformally invariant is dual to conformally variant (conjugates). Complex conjugates are not holomorphic or complex differentiable -- conformally variant. Real is dual to imaginary -- complex numbers are dual. Homology is dual to co-homology. "Always two there are" -- Yoda. Synchronic points/lines are dual to enchronic points/lines -- the principle of duality in geometry!
DUAL TWISTORS! Null vectors (light rays, Bosons) are dual to null spinors (Particles, Fermions) -- Twistor space. Positive is dual to negative -- numbers, frequencies, electric charge, curvature. Conformally invariant is dual to conformally variant (conjugates). Complex conjugates are not holomorphic or complex differentiable -- conformally variant. Real is dual to imaginary -- complex numbers are dual. Homology is dual to co-homology. "Always two there are" -- Yoda. Synchronic points/lines are dual to enchronic points/lines -- the principle of duality in geometry! Your mind is syntropic as you integrate information to synthesize reality -- integration is dual to differentiation.
There is a great humanity about this man ... would that the gods could give this man another 10 years so he could come to conclusion about his insights. Curt - you lucky fellow - the in person format is just so special, and your guiding questions; brilliant and effective.
Of the modern western academia yes. But that's it. Human IQ peaked last time in the 1870s with the electric theory giants. Before in 5th century eastern rome. And before in 5th century BC Athenian Greece
Congratulations and thank you very much for the most successful Roger Penrose interview I have ever watched on TH-cam. As far as I understand, breaking taboos in physics is much harder than splitting the atom!! Penrose openly states that he does not believe in some of the mainstream theories and hypotheses that have been told to us for years. He presents his own arguments. He is still working and thinking tirelessly. Respect to the great master. 🙏🏻🙏🏻 CCC, Twistor, Orch OR are all hypotheses open to development. And they may turn into generally accepted theories in the coming years... Thank you so much Curt Jaimungal. 👍🏻 👏🏻👏🏻
Penrose believes he has terrible memory. Neil Turok implied that this is a common trait among physicists. I wonder if poor memory can be a feature, because it encourages the mind to compress information using simplifying rules: patterns, abstraction, generalization, analogy, models, etc.
He's simply too hard on himself in that department. He's very easily able to recall meetings with people at certain dates about certain subjects. He displays deep knowledge about subjects in physics in conversation. This is not indicative of poor memory.
I do have a terrible memory and my mind is very slow. I've a hard time understanding movies and conversations. It goes too fast and I forget stuff as it goes along and quickly I can't connect the dots anymore. Yet I coulld become an engineer and now I'm a software developer. When a difficult problem comes up, I'm usually better that most of my colleagues at solving it. Because I'm too dumb to see the whole picture, I need to break it down into tiny pieces, think carefully about each of them, simplify them as much as I can, use logic, make pictures of everything in my mind's eye... My theory is that some people with cognitive deficiencies develop coping mechanisms to work around it and in some very specific areas these coping mechanisms might actually end up being better than the way most people think. Unfortunately it's still a handicap for most day to day stuff.
Curt: "You can feel free to be technical on this podcast" Penrose: Hold my beer! n++ TOE episode for the Re-Re-Listen category 🥳 Well done Curt 🙌👏 Roger Penrose is a blindingly brilliant gemstone of humanity and represents all the qualities a Master Theologian/Physicist/Scientist should have: Adogmatic, collaborative and truth above ego/correctness! I'm conflicted between wishing he would focus the remaining, hopefully decades, of his still razor sharp cognition either; A) Getting full funding for a mass-collaborative, Penrose owned, effort to finalize/refine his TOE (including the consciousness tubulars aspect) B) Doing back-to-back-to-back long form podcasts/panel discussions explaining his views on div. theories, both foreign and his own. What prompted them, how and why they have evolved and the real life circumstances/historical events that may have influenced these. Such an inspiring and enlightening way to convey knowledge! One can follow along and semi-visualize his explanations, despite lacking many of the theoretical concepts mentioned. At the same time it supplies a "shopping list" of concepts to learn or brush up on before the next Re-listen 😁 Absolute treasure!
If Penrose would have been asked to dumb this down, nobody would have understood it, now a small group understands it... and that is great... The world is dumbed down too much... Loved this talk...
Roger Penrose is amazingly sharp as a tac. The first book that I saw in a Book store many years ago that I thought there is no way that I can read this: "The road to reality". A massive telephone book text book. Roger clearly put his views on paper in this book and he really didnt appear to care who read it or who could read it. All 1136 pages😁
Although I have never met Sir Roger Penrose in person I feel a connection to him as if a father figure, he reminds me of my very British Grandfather, and wish him the best of health so we can revel in his anecdotes.
I could listen to Sir Roger Penrose talk all day. Literally. As a someone who isn't a mathematician, physicist or cosmologist and pretty much just a fascinated village idiot on this subject, I've always found him somehow accessible and easy to understand and his explanations to be intuitive and logical. They just often seem to "click" with me. Not that I fully enderstand everything Sir Penrose talks about. Far from it. Also Sir Penroses' willingness to say "I don't know" when he doesn't know something just makes me respect him even more. String theory was always utter gobbledygook to me and the conventional view of the Big Bang being considered the beginning of "everything" has always troubled me especially with respect to how everything in the universe arose from nothing. Increasingly the explanations given by most experts ends up relying on a complete speculative redefinition of "nothing" to fit the Big Bang which I find intellectually lazy. Similarly the other cheat code used is the concept of "well since even time didnt exist before the Big Bang there was no such thing as a before the Big Bang". The total lack of time would suggest a static state which would remain in the same state forever. Without time how would a state of absolute nothingness even move to the Big Bang? The biggest problem I have with traditional physicists is their reluctance to consider an infinite universe. It's like they have an almost pathalogical fear of infinty. I don't see how the universe can be anything other than infinite in one form of another no matter how difficult it may be to wrap our heads around it. The universe is under no obligation to conform to our limited understanding. When I first heard Roger Penrose discuss his CCC theory with each cyclical universe described as an Eon it just felt far more logical than anything I'd heard before. Like any other pre-Big Bang model I'm certain these models and theories will never definitively be proven but for me Sir penrose's CCC model sits better than anything I've heard since watching Carl Sagan back in the days of Cosmos. I'd love to have heard his opinion on it.
I have been a great admirer of Sir Roger Penrose and his Mathematical Prowess, for many years. Thank you very much. Look forward to hearing more video a.
Sir Roger Primrose has a fascinating mind He blends logic and insight To imagine wondrous theories of the cosmos And be able to articulate them back to the starving minds of a lost generation of thinkers We need more minds like his in physics
DUAL TWISTORS! Null vectors (light rays, Bosons) are dual to null spinors (Particles, Fermions) -- Twistor space. Positive is dual to negative -- numbers, frequencies, electric charge, curvature. Conformally invariant is dual to conformally variant (conjugates). Complex conjugates are not holomorphic or complex differentiable -- conformally variant. Real is dual to imaginary -- complex numbers are dual. Homology is dual to co-homology. "Always two there are" -- Yoda. Synchronic points/lines are dual to enchronic points/lines -- the principle of duality in geometry! Your mind is syntropic as you integrate information to synthesize reality -- integration is dual to differentiation.
What I like best about Roger Penrose is how he just goes with his ideas even when they clash with established views. Even if he happens to be wrong on his most controversial ideas, I think people with the guts to make outrageous claims are absolutely necessary for reaching new foundational understanding about the universe. We need some people willing to work within established paradigms too, of course, but I don't think there's a shortage of those.
DUAL TWISTORS! Null vectors (light rays, Bosons) are dual to null spinors (Particles, Fermions) -- Twistor space. Positive is dual to negative -- numbers, frequencies, electric charge, curvature. Conformally invariant is dual to conformally variant (conjugates). Complex conjugates are not holomorphic or complex differentiable -- conformally variant. Real is dual to imaginary -- complex numbers are dual. Homology is dual to co-homology. "Always two there are" -- Yoda. Synchronic points/lines are dual to enchronic points/lines -- the principle of duality in geometry! Your mind is syntropic as you integrate information to synthesize reality -- integration is dual to differentiation.
I enjoyed this interview very much. Even though I don't have the background, it made me dig deeper into CCC and I found it a pleasant surprise that it aligned very well with my own (purely philosophical) speculations about the nature of the universe.
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TIMESTAMPS:
00:00 - Intro
01:22 - Cosmology and Twistor Theory
15:00 - “Most Significant Thought I Had”
20:45 - “Twistors Are Inherently Chiral”
25:34 - Extra Dimensions
27:02 - Algebraic and Differential Geometry
37:57 - Alexander Grothendieck
40:36 - Gravity and Quantum Mechanics
43:00 - Collapse of the Wave Function
53:04 - Gravitational Fields and the Wave Function
01:11:02 - Free Will
01:14:03 - Is the Universe Discrete or Continuous?
01:16:35 - Ai’s Capabilities
01:19:09 - Many Worlds Theory
01:20:38 - Idealism
01:21:35 - CCC
01:23:31 - Roger’s Legacy
01:33:25 - Outro / Support TOE
What's this Robinson fellow's first name? Ivor?
21st century
@@TheoriesofEverything do CN Yang next!!🤩🤩
My aunties from Manchester..both had rickits.cowboy legs .lived to 97,95 ,sharp as a tack till the last days .... vitamin D......😊
Türkçe altyazı için çok teşekkür ediyorum ❤
Pretty crazy to be this sharp at 93 years old
He must have been formidable in his early years.
This is what happens when you don't stop.
@@pandabearguy1 sharper than I’ll ever be 🤣
@@DarkSouljaz sure, but not as jelly as you with that comment
It's pretty crazy that everything you know about yourself and the world around you is a lie, including science
Penrose has the mental agility of a person half of his age and the wisdom of a wise men, this is impressive to watch.
The Albus Dumbledore we hv in real life 😊
@@aniksamiurrahman6365 Hahaha, totally right.
He has greater mental agility than most 20 year olds are you kidding me? He is brilliant.
DUAL TWISTORS!
Null vectors (light rays, Bosons) are dual to null spinors (Particles, Fermions) -- Twistor space.
Positive is dual to negative -- numbers, frequencies, electric charge, curvature.
Conformally invariant is dual to conformally variant (conjugates).
Complex conjugates are not holomorphic or complex differentiable -- conformally variant.
Real is dual to imaginary -- complex numbers are dual.
Homology is dual to co-homology.
"Always two there are" -- Yoda.
Synchronic points/lines are dual to enchronic points/lines -- the principle of duality in geometry!
@@hyperduality2838so many meaningless terms
I met Roger Penrose at a lecture he gave in Toronto. There was a heckler. Sir Roger just replied, "I have no opinion. I only care about what is true." What a gracious and honest person.
@@topquark22 sir Roger is truly a noble soul and admirable human being
@MrAnon-q1o Are you joking or there is some math Penrose pruduced that is helpful for ray tracing?
Yes 🎉
What is heckler?
@@artophile7777 "A heckler is a person who harasses and tries to disconcert others with questions, challenges, or gibes. Hecklers are often known to shout discouraging comments at a performance or event, or to interrupt set-piece speeches, with the intent of disturbing performers or participants."
"I can't explain it without being a little technical"
What an adorable little understatement.
Today I found out that Roger Penrose has integrity, dropping truth bombs and setting the record straight while he still has the stage. I hope this inspires the next generation to forge a different path, and question past assumptions
"Truth bombs"? He didn't explain much why it's outrageous other than it does not follow his view of reality even thought the experiments have been done over and over again and show beyond a doubt that the observer causes the collapse not the apparatus. Maybe it wouldn't be that outrageous if he finally mans up admits that consciousness is the ontological primitive from which the material world derives. Hindu religions or philosophies have believed in this version of reality (Maya) for millennia. it's not something new.
@@dandeeteeyem2170 real Talk seriously ...
@@EstherJimenez-oi3ck I can't wait until people lose all the money they invested in their magic computers. There's no point having a high IQ if you're too scared to question your superiors or your peers. I don't fear a dictator anywhere near as much as I fear the average follower. The pandemic has shown me how easily fear can be used to turn 90 percent of the population into nazis. Herd mentality is real and is even more dangerous when used to control people who could think for themselves but choose to defer their thinking to others.
been stating my disagreement with big bang and am curious about his idea -- still think the original universe arose from empty space which arose from absolute nothing and may have been tillion years ago relative earth time frame ----- since then it has been subdividing like in cell division and explains white light at the separation and an instance of growth[so to speak] and instance of heat ----- remember Betlejuese super novaed 600 years ago and our division occurred 14 billion years or so in the past AND may be on the brink of our subdivision !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so our existence is some huge amount of time in coming about [trillions of light years perhaps !
There's something comforting in the way Roger communicates his ideas. A very humble man indeed.
40 years ago I was in Cambridge having lunch... My colleague was a PhD in Theoretical Physics and I asked him if he had met other geniuses. There was one at the table he were sitting at... I expected to hear Hawking but he demurred saying he was not in the category. He mentioned a name that was unknown to me ' Roger Penrose is genius' he said. He had worked with Rhys person.
And Abdus Salaam... And also the person sitting at our table.
He was right.
I don't have the math to follow Penrose in most situations but, for whatever reason, I can visualize what he says. The Emperor's New Mind was such a great read when I was younger. Great interview, Curt.
Yes I feel the same. I'm only perceiving an abstraction of what he's trying to convey. But it hints at such wonderful things. An absolute pleasure.
After about 20 minutes it became clear that his interviewer didn't have the math either.
13:43 i agree 👍🏼 good clip. In 4d a 3d sphere can be thought of like a 2d circle... Infinite amounts of two-dimensional circles can stack into any size 3D sphere...
@@je25ff lucky you! I can't even visualise what he says. The weird thing is, though is that I still get hooked up and listen. He's mesmerizing to listen to.
My thoughts and feelings exactly, Catherine.Well said!
I love Penrose’s aversion to feel like an old man telling anecdotes even though they’re fascinating. He wants to live in the present and continue talking current math and physics. As an older guy myself, I always shared this discomfort about slipping into one of my stories when I met people because it kind of always felt like a crutch to me where I didn’t have any interesting new ideas to talk about… :(😢
Definitely tell your stories to your kids and grandkids if you have any. They're the people who will appreciate them. I'm so grateful for hearing my grandad's stories, and I try my best to listen to all of my grandma's. My family has stories passed down from my great great grandfather, about how he was a teenage field medic during the American civil war. We also have stories about one of my French ancestors making his was from France, to the Canadian territories, and then coming down into the Montana region and marrying one of my Native American ancestors during the early 1700s.
I can't guarantee that anyone else will like your stories, but who knows, your descendants could be retelling your stories 300 years from now. That's worth an immense amount.
I've enjoyed retelling the stories told to me by relatives that were born in the 00s,20s and 30s. I get a real thrill knowing that one day they will be repeated by my daughter to my grandchildren and great grandchildren.
It saddens me that I can only go as far back as the mid 1800s. The rest is sadly lost to the mists of time
Well today you are blessed with the choice of alternative routes .You might choose to record your experiences to the written word or in our tech world use voice to text or even audio recording .
Ok. That's understandable but there should be at least one recording of each of those anecdotes within the scientific community for posterity because they might contain a connecting link that would help a young scientist in the future.
@@spracketskoochExcellent point! Another was made by Roger C. Schank regarding corporate memory. If one indexes the story well enough, it can be found by an AI system and brought to the attention of someone for whom the story is very relevant.
At the end there you asked him about the current state of physics as a profession, and he said "I shouldn't be rude about things I don't understand." (Because he doesn't know what people do in physics nowadays)
That's such a wise thing to say. It's not that you shouldn't be rude ever, but you should only be rude about things that you understand. It's hard to repeat the sentiment aptly but I'll try, and I'll definitely teach this to my children.
Thanks for the interview and thank you to Sir Penrose
One of the last standing mainstream scientists who isn’t dogmatic to scientism and who isn’t afraid to say “I don’t know”. Pumped to listen to this!
There is no such thing as scientism. Only anti scientific people use that to slander people.
There are a lot of major scientists who hate scientism. And nearly 100% scientists aren't afraid to say I/we don't know. It's one of the most important part of science anyway. So, don't worry. However, Sir Rozer Penrose is great in many ways, over many dimensions. I wish I get to meet him someday.
@@ElephantWhisperer222 this is a reductive strawman
What philsophy are you championing?
@@randomchannel-px6ho I guess you could call it anti-dogmatism. If you want to suck the willy of the mainstream science establishment go right ahead, it stopped being my problem long ago.
@@randomchannel-px6hohow is he reductive? What exactly is the fallacy?
Once I had an opportunity to talk with Roger and Micheal berry was also there. Many in public community and Physicists think Roger's idea (0:34) on intercession of Equivalence principle and Quantam superposition are dump. But Michael berry mentioned it as a profound and important thing others forget. Roger is 93. But still this age haven't affected him intellectualy. Hope he stays with us forever ❤❤
@@Goat-e3gwhat's the intercession of equivalent and the other thing
Galileo-Einstein principle and Quantam superposition. He mixes it and that's his way of approaching Quantum gravity @@keylanoslokj1806
@@keylanoslokj1806it's Galelio-Einstein principle and Quantam superposition.
DUAL TWISTORS!
Null vectors (light rays, Bosons) are dual to null spinors (Particles, Fermions) -- Twistor space.
Positive is dual to negative -- numbers, frequencies, electric charge, curvature.
Conformally invariant is dual to conformally variant (conjugates).
Complex conjugates are not holomorphic or complex differentiable -- conformally variant.
Real is dual to imaginary -- complex numbers are dual.
Homology is dual to co-homology.
"Always two there are" -- Yoda.
Synchronic points/lines are dual to enchronic points/lines -- the principle of duality in geometry!
He will be immortal in some way
Roger has such a great mind. He's amazingly humble considering how brilliant he is. Love him for it.
Thank you Curt for recording this epochal blip in all of time with Sir Roger Penrose. I'm sure future generations will watch this with delight!
DUAL TWISTORS!
Null vectors (light rays, Bosons) are dual to null spinors (Particles, Fermions) -- Twistor space.
Positive is dual to negative -- numbers, frequencies, electric charge, curvature.
Conformally invariant is dual to conformally variant (conjugates).
Complex conjugates are not holomorphic or complex differentiable -- conformally variant.
Real is dual to imaginary -- complex numbers are dual.
Homology is dual to co-homology.
"Always two there are" -- Yoda.
Synchronic points/lines are dual to enchronic points/lines -- the principle of duality in geometry!
Your mind is syntropic as you integrate information to synthesize reality -- integration is dual to differentiation.
The man the myth the immortal Roger Penrose🙏🏻.... looking forward to savour this podcast
I listened to a bunch of podcasts with Roger Penrose in the last 6-7 years, and I honestly think he was somehow the most relaxed and himself in this one, which is a sign that either he ran out of fucks to give, or he likes you Curt =)
Great pod - I laughed when he admitted at his age he doesnt do physics, he does anecdotes. This man has forgotten 100x more than any of us will ever learn in our lifetimes, and I think at this point he is left with grand ideas in his head rather than exact formulations of things.
Loved this episode, especially the second half! Thanks Curt
DUAL TWISTORS!
Null vectors (light rays, Bosons) are dual to null spinors (Particles, Fermions) -- Twistor space.
Positive is dual to negative -- numbers, frequencies, electric charge, curvature.
Conformally invariant is dual to conformally variant (conjugates).
Complex conjugates are not holomorphic or complex differentiable -- conformally variant.
Real is dual to imaginary -- complex numbers are dual.
Homology is dual to co-homology.
"Always two there are" -- Yoda.
Synchronic points/lines are dual to enchronic points/lines -- the principle of duality in geometry!
Your mind is syntropic as you integrate information to synthesize reality -- integration is dual to differentiation.
I have never been so completely riveted and enthralled by a conversation in which I did not understand a single word.
😂hahaha. Same here
😂I fell asleep watching one thing and woke to this, I first questioned myself “I am dreaming?” I understand English and most subjects I can follow. This is beyond me and my interest is next to zero but I could listen to this man based on the passion in his voice and the every fifty sentences I understand.
Gravitational Fields and the Wave Function was mind bending. Needless to say so was the rest of this conversation. We are lucky to be alive to be listening to such a brilliant person!
Even for an amateur like me, interested in the topic from a philosophical standpoint, it's remarkable that the simple reassurance Penrose gets in the beginning from Curt to not shy away from being technical makes way for a surprisingly comprehensible conversation. Indeed, most of the technical stuff I don't understand but when he arrives at topics that are somewhat familiar to me, his views of what he thinks is fundamental are very fruitful. Good work!
Amazing, thank you Curt! Looking forward to listning to this. Sir Penrose 93 is years old, and still the most inspiring scientist alive for many in younger generations.
I would another whom I met recently at Oxford University and that is Professor Denis Nobel...
This is greatly appreciated. Glad I'm a member
Awesome discussion, thank you both!
Sir Penrose’s greatest gift is his ability to NOT remember arbitrary terms…I can relate.
His ability to communicate complex ideas in relatable terms/examples is under appreciated imo.
Have a great weekend All!✌🏼🤙🏼😊
This was the video that tipped me over to become a paying member.
This is so awesome.
Wow. Thank you so much Nomen!
Curt conducted one of the best, most free-flowing interviews with Penrose here that I've seen so far, and I think I've watched them all.
@@xemy1010totally agree😊
@@TheoriesofEverything13:43 i agree 👍🏼 good clip. In 4d a 3d sphere can be thought of like a 2d circle... Infinite amounts of two-dimensional circles can stack into any size 3D sphere...
YEAH.....Great interview .....
You should get "It's okay to be technical on this podcast" on a T-shirt with how many times you've had to say that these past few months.
The best thing about the internet, is if they say something that is above your head, you can pause go figure it out and come back.
@@nustada as everything we know has turned out to be a lie, we can go back reenjoy and think how we got fooled by words
@@v2ike6udikcan you elaborate on what you mean?
@@vanillakilla813 where to start? wanna call?
but im sorry before you call, many have said , they are unbreakable, but many have failed and get broken by dr käptin obvious. truth hurts as a btc, hard to find a life meaning again. I can take it all away. :D
Ever since I saw your post with Sir Roger Penrose, I was excited for his interview with you.
Great little moment at 76 minutes, thank you both very much for sharing your time, work, knowledge and experience Roger, and Curt, heavy conversation, Professor Penrose's time is precious right now, thank you again Roger, peace
Subscribed. This is a great interview. I met him once. I doubt that he would remember. It was a very small meeting with some physicists and grad students. We were told to keep his presence at the university a secret in order to avoid a huge crowd of people showing up. 😅 As you can see from the interview, he is very good at giving a pedestrian description of rather complicated ideas. This is an incredibly valuable skill, especially to people, such as myself, who are not up on the fine details of twistor theory.
Welcome! So glad you enjoyed :)
It just blows my mind that we are so privileged to be alive and in the presence of an historical figure, a genius of the highest caliber who will be discussed for an hundred years to come!
The best interview of Roger Penrose I have watched - so very clear and historically absorbing.
@@plasma6996 I'm sure they will, just like we watch Richard Feynman's lectures given decades ago.
He is SOO funny. He has such an amazing humor.
You see, when I was in graduate school back in 1991 or so he was seen as an outlier of physics. His book, "Emperor's New Mind" was not well regarded and he was pushed outside, ridiculed. Look at now: Penrose is the brightest mind at this age. That is the bright side of life. Glad to see him so openly blunt in this talk, enjoyed every minute of it. Thanks Curt.
To interview Both Chomsky and Roger Penrose. Glad to be one of the earliest subs.
I just found this video. About 23 seconds into it, im so pumped! Thank your kurt, great job man!
Hope you enjoy friend
I understand 0% of this, but I love listening. I’m hoping something is going in. Always feels like a privilege to live in a time where I can just listen in free to the great minds of our time.
DUAL TWISTORS!
Null vectors (light rays, Bosons) are dual to null spinors (Particles, Fermions) -- Twistor space.
Positive is dual to negative -- numbers, frequencies, electric charge, curvature.
Conformally invariant is dual to conformally variant (conjugates).
Complex conjugates are not holomorphic or complex differentiable -- conformally variant.
Real is dual to imaginary -- complex numbers are dual.
Homology is dual to co-homology.
"Always two there are" -- Yoda.
Synchronic points/lines are dual to enchronic points/lines -- the principle of duality in geometry!
Yooooo so excited to watch this
This video will be played times n times again to understand where we are in the main stream research to find a theory of everything, TOE. Really greatful to you for bringing this video, you are also leaving your legacy for letting Sir Roger Penrose speak the hard physics on your podcast. It is highly useful in many ways. Thank You, Curt.❤❤❤
He is a window on the universe…
From cone of light to tensors and consciousness…
A delight…
🙏
Congrats man. I’m really happy you managed to talk to penrose
You did it man. You finally landed the big one. So happy for you.
Fantastic interview. I most appreciated that you didn't shy away from the details. I have the impression this is truly the best way to get to know Roger, through his life's work.
This dialogue is a true treasure trove.
You told him he can get technical and you forgot he’s the world’s currently living greatest scientist, so he immediately switched modes and became incomprehensible. Thanks, bro.
@@0xggbrnr at 2:58 you can see him disable TH-cam-mode and engage the full on professor hyper-drive.
No conversation among physicists on the fundamenal theories of their field that is comprehensible by the general public. But some of us an enjoy watching the interactions of experts during a revolution in a science, especially if we have read the more understandable first parts ofThomas Kuhn's great essay, "The Structure of Scientific Revolutions."
Penrose is
Indeed the greatest theoretical physicist alive. A true marvel of nature.
He keeps his feet on the ground.
Ken Wheeler is
@@luigicantoviani323 its witten and its not even close. Even the "string theory is not even wrong" people admit he's spooky smart, like he actually scares people
DUAL TWISTORS!
Null vectors (light rays, Bosons) are dual to null spinors (Particles, Fermions) -- Twistor space.
Positive is dual to negative -- numbers, frequencies, electric charge, curvature.
Conformally invariant is dual to conformally variant (conjugates).
Complex conjugates are not holomorphic or complex differentiable -- conformally variant.
Real is dual to imaginary -- complex numbers are dual.
Homology is dual to co-homology.
"Always two there are" -- Yoda.
Synchronic points/lines are dual to enchronic points/lines -- the principle of duality in geometry!
Your mind is syntropic as you integrate information to synthesize reality -- integration is dual to differentiation.
@@keylanoslokj1806 Kens a better photographer, probably.
I love what happens when you tell them “you can get technical in this podcast”. They just begin to bring all the interesting stuff. Excellent videos!
What a pleasure to spend an hour and a half in company with a mind like Roger's. Thank you Curt.
Sir Roger Penrose is one of the most brilliant thinkers of mankind. It's such a great pleasure to listen to him. He is so clear and visionary at the same time.
original thinkers who is not afraid of being different from the pack or wrong
Superb interview. So nice to watch him explaining his concepts in technical terms. Thanks for producing and sharing it.
Nos hacia falta una entrevista como esta, en la que podamos conocer a Roger, y no solo su ciencia.
Wow. New to your channel and was, quite literally, just searching through your backlog, hoping you had a chance to pick more from Penrose's impressive grey matter. Wonderful timing.
Welcome. I'm so glad Pete! Hopefully you enjoy some of the other podcasts on the channel as well (such as th-cam.com/play/PLZ7ikzmc6zlN6E8KrxcYCWQIHg2tfkqvR.html). - Curt
@@TheoriesofEverything the part about Sir Roger’s most inportant thought is just magical, truly awesome display of how geometrical imagination is the true philosopher’s stone and the cauldron in which the discovery process happens for elite mathematicians. similar to Poincare, on the other hand Gauss was analytical/algebraic mostly in his modality. the greatests mathematicians like Penrose are ultimately immersed infinitely deeply in imagination (geometry) and work out algebraic details only after they have a comlplete and sound image/vision in their minds. the proof is seen first, only then expressed in algebraic terms. marvelous
DUAL TWISTORS!
Null vectors (light rays, Bosons) are dual to null spinors (Particles, Fermions) -- Twistor space.
Positive is dual to negative -- numbers, frequencies, electric charge, curvature.
Conformally invariant is dual to conformally variant (conjugates).
Complex conjugates are not holomorphic or complex differentiable -- conformally variant.
Real is dual to imaginary -- complex numbers are dual.
Homology is dual to co-homology.
"Always two there are" -- Yoda.
Synchronic points/lines are dual to enchronic points/lines -- the principle of duality in geometry!
@@hyperduality2838 what about the 2 circular points at infinity ? aka the isotropic points or cyclic points ? how to they fit in the model ?
@@ondrejstefik159 Is there a video I can watch on TH-cam as I am not too certain what you mean here?
Gosh I am so pleased by this conversation. Thank you very much
Great job. He was agile and comfortable in conversation with you. Tomorrow is my birthday. I consider this interview a nice prebirthday surprise. 🥳🎉
Thank you Curt, for you decency, openness and respect for the required scientific rigor and willingness to make deeply technical interview videos. It is so refreshing and really what we needed as modern evolved humans living in more evolved times. Please continue and do let us know if you require any assistance in your endeavor. We are all getting lifted by your work and helped to build further.
Professor Penrose's theory on quantum consciousness is a fascinating perspective that challenges conventional thinking. Although it has not been scientifically proven, his willingness to explore non-traditional paths in physics and seek new possibilities is truly admirable. His insights may very well inspire future scientific breakthroughs. After all, science is constantly evolving. Thank you for sharing such a thought-provoking video!
DUAL TWISTORS!
Null vectors (light rays, Bosons) are dual to null spinors (Particles, Fermions) -- Twistor space.
Positive is dual to negative -- numbers, frequencies, electric charge, curvature.
Conformally invariant is dual to conformally variant (conjugates).
Complex conjugates are not holomorphic or complex differentiable -- conformally variant.
Real is dual to imaginary -- complex numbers are dual.
Homology is dual to co-homology.
"Always two there are" -- Yoda.
Synchronic points/lines are dual to enchronic points/lines -- the principle of duality in geometry!
Thanks!
Thank you Jack!
I don't know if I understand 10% of what Roger Penrose says but I always like listening to him. Thanks Curt!
DUAL TWISTORS!
Null vectors (light rays, Bosons) are dual to null spinors (Particles, Fermions) -- Twistor space.
Positive is dual to negative -- numbers, frequencies, electric charge, curvature.
Conformally invariant is dual to conformally variant (conjugates).
Complex conjugates are not holomorphic or complex differentiable -- conformally variant.
Real is dual to imaginary -- complex numbers are dual.
Homology is dual to co-homology.
"Always two there are" -- Yoda.
Synchronic points/lines are dual to enchronic points/lines -- the principle of duality in geometry!
Your mind is syntropic as you integrate information to synthesize reality -- integration is dual to differentiation.
To be able to sit down with these significant people and have talks even when the camera's ain't rolling is mindblowing.
One of the greatest , thanks for the upload.
Penrose’s demeanour, expression, and manner of expression is endlessly entertaining and fascinating.
Congrats Curt this is an amazing thing you’ve managed here. More than well deserved success. Thanks 🙏🏻
Thanks!
Thank you so much Oscar!
There is a great humanity about this man ... would that the gods could give this man another 10 years so he could come to conclusion about his insights. Curt - you lucky fellow - the in person format is just so special, and your guiding questions; brilliant and effective.
Must’ve been so amazing to interview him in person. I love his theories in relation to time and black hole locations.
Sir Roger Penrose is a global treasure.
Always impressed by the quality of the guests and your interviewing
amazing talk with Penrose. Curt Jaimungal is a brilliant interviewer!
You dialog with sir Roger îs gold, pure gold.
And probably one of the smartest humans so far
How would you know ?
@@davelordy He wouldn't. That's why he said "probably".
Pretty impressive for an ape ngl
Apart from me, because I can see some of the flaws in what he was saying.
Of the modern western academia yes. But that's it. Human IQ peaked last time in the 1870s with the electric theory giants. Before in 5th century eastern rome. And before in 5th century BC Athenian Greece
The biggest legend there is!!! And he’s sitting next to Sir Roger Penrose. Jk Penrose is top tier
THIS IS THE BIG ONE!
Congratulations and thank you very much for the most successful Roger Penrose interview I have ever watched on TH-cam. As far as I understand, breaking taboos in physics is much harder than splitting the atom!! Penrose openly states that he does not believe in some of the mainstream theories and hypotheses that have been told to us for years. He presents his own arguments. He is still working and thinking tirelessly. Respect to the great master. 🙏🏻🙏🏻
CCC, Twistor, Orch OR are all hypotheses open to development. And they may turn into generally accepted theories in the coming years...
Thank you so much Curt Jaimungal.
👍🏻 👏🏻👏🏻
So glad you enjoyed friend!
Well done ! It's a privilege to hear the views of Roger Penrose on physics. You brought him out very well.
Iconic chat! Wonderful to hear two wonferful conveyours of ideas. Thank you 😅
No idea what Roger is saying, don’t care. Love this guy.
A little different for me: No idea what he is saying … hate this guy:)
Amazing talk, Penrose one of the best, super intelligent in is subject,i really appreciate CCC.
Penrose believes he has terrible memory. Neil Turok implied that this is a common trait among physicists. I wonder if poor memory can be a feature, because it encourages the mind to compress information using simplifying rules: patterns, abstraction, generalization, analogy, models, etc.
I think you're onto something there. Having a poor memory means you need to get to the heart of the matter.
Just a hunch , there may be an inverse relation between memory resolution and propensity to innovation and invention.
That is appositionally,
He's simply too hard on himself in that department. He's very easily able to recall meetings with people at certain dates about certain subjects. He displays deep knowledge about subjects in physics in conversation. This is not indicative of poor memory.
I do have a terrible memory and my mind is very slow. I've a hard time understanding movies and conversations. It goes too fast and I forget stuff as it goes along and quickly I can't connect the dots anymore.
Yet I coulld become an engineer and now I'm a software developer. When a difficult problem comes up, I'm usually better that most of my colleagues at solving it. Because I'm too dumb to see the whole picture, I need to break it down into tiny pieces, think carefully about each of them, simplify them as much as I can, use logic, make pictures of everything in my mind's eye...
My theory is that some people with cognitive deficiencies develop coping mechanisms to work around it and in some very specific areas these coping mechanisms might actually end up being better than the way most people think. Unfortunately it's still a handicap for most day to day stuff.
Curt: "You can feel free to be technical on this podcast"
Penrose: Hold my beer!
n++ TOE episode for the Re-Re-Listen category 🥳 Well done Curt 🙌👏
Roger Penrose is a blindingly brilliant gemstone of humanity and represents all the qualities a Master Theologian/Physicist/Scientist should have: Adogmatic, collaborative and truth above ego/correctness!
I'm conflicted between wishing he would focus the remaining, hopefully decades, of his still razor sharp cognition either;
A) Getting full funding for a mass-collaborative, Penrose owned, effort to finalize/refine his TOE (including the consciousness tubulars aspect)
B) Doing back-to-back-to-back long form podcasts/panel discussions explaining his views on div. theories, both foreign and his own. What prompted them, how and why they have evolved and the real life circumstances/historical events that may have influenced these.
Such an inspiring and enlightening way to convey knowledge!
One can follow along and semi-visualize his explanations, despite lacking many of the theoretical concepts mentioned.
At the same time it supplies a "shopping list" of concepts to learn or brush up on before the next Re-listen 😁
Absolute treasure!
Yes Curt's question elicited this treasure trove of knowledge and history...
This is like listening to Donald Trump, I don't understand any of it.
Another stunning interview. Good gracious, this channel is incredible.
What an absolute honor, Penrose is amazing
If Penrose would have been asked to dumb this down, nobody would have understood it, now a small group understands it... and that is great... The world is dumbed down too much... Loved this talk...
It's interesting to hear Sir Roger Penrose making reflections about his early life.
what a wonderful interview. and what a wonderful man
Roger Penrose is amazingly sharp as a tac.
The first book that I saw in a Book store many years ago that I thought there is no way that I can read this: "The road to reality". A massive telephone book text book. Roger clearly put his views on paper in this book and he really didnt appear to care who read it or who could read it. All 1136 pages😁
Although I have never met Sir Roger Penrose in person I feel a connection to him as if a father figure, he reminds me of my very British Grandfather, and wish him the best of health so we can revel in his anecdotes.
Excellent Curt! Thank you!
I could listen to Sir Roger Penrose talk all day. Literally. As a someone who isn't a mathematician, physicist or cosmologist and pretty much just a fascinated village idiot on this subject, I've always found him somehow accessible and easy to understand and his explanations to be intuitive and logical. They just often seem to "click" with me. Not that I fully enderstand everything Sir Penrose talks about. Far from it.
Also Sir Penroses' willingness to say "I don't know" when he doesn't know something just makes me respect him even more.
String theory was always utter gobbledygook to me and the conventional view of the Big Bang being considered the beginning of "everything" has always troubled me especially with respect to how everything in the universe arose from nothing. Increasingly the explanations given by most experts ends up relying on a complete speculative redefinition of "nothing" to fit the Big Bang which I find intellectually lazy. Similarly the other cheat code used is the concept of "well since even time didnt exist before the Big Bang there was no such thing as a before the Big Bang". The total lack of time would suggest a static state which would remain in the same state forever. Without time how would a state of absolute nothingness even move to the Big Bang?
The biggest problem I have with traditional physicists is their reluctance to consider an infinite universe. It's like they have an almost pathalogical fear of infinty. I don't see how the universe can be anything other than infinite in one form of another no matter how difficult it may be to wrap our heads around it. The universe is under no obligation to conform to our limited understanding.
When I first heard Roger Penrose discuss his CCC theory with each cyclical universe described as an Eon it just felt far more logical than anything I'd heard before.
Like any other pre-Big Bang model I'm certain these models and theories will never definitively be proven but for me Sir penrose's CCC model sits better than anything I've heard since watching Carl Sagan back in the days of Cosmos. I'd love to have heard his opinion on it.
Living legend ... Amazing. Thanks for doing this :)
I have been a great admirer of Sir Roger Penrose and his Mathematical Prowess, for many years.
Thank you very much.
Look forward to hearing more video a.
Sir Roger Primrose has a fascinating mind
He blends logic and insight
To imagine wondrous theories of the cosmos
And be able to articulate them back to the starving minds of a lost generation of thinkers
We need more minds like his in physics
Penrose.
DUAL TWISTORS!
Null vectors (light rays, Bosons) are dual to null spinors (Particles, Fermions) -- Twistor space.
Positive is dual to negative -- numbers, frequencies, electric charge, curvature.
Conformally invariant is dual to conformally variant (conjugates).
Complex conjugates are not holomorphic or complex differentiable -- conformally variant.
Real is dual to imaginary -- complex numbers are dual.
Homology is dual to co-homology.
"Always two there are" -- Yoda.
Synchronic points/lines are dual to enchronic points/lines -- the principle of duality in geometry!
Your mind is syntropic as you integrate information to synthesize reality -- integration is dual to differentiation.
What I like best about Roger Penrose is how he just goes with his ideas even when they clash with established views. Even if he happens to be wrong on his most controversial ideas, I think people with the guts to make outrageous claims are absolutely necessary for reaching new foundational understanding about the universe. We need some people willing to work within established paradigms too, of course, but I don't think there's a shortage of those.
You made it to the top, good work
As soon as you said it's okay to be technical, he started straight spittin for 80+ minutes. awesome talk
Great interview! A living legend!
I love Penrose. I wish more people knew of him and gave him the listening time he deserves and earned
I love Rodger. As a biologist a lot of this is way outside of my understanding but I find Rodgers theories fascinating. Thanks Kurt
DUAL TWISTORS!
Null vectors (light rays, Bosons) are dual to null spinors (Particles, Fermions) -- Twistor space.
Positive is dual to negative -- numbers, frequencies, electric charge, curvature.
Conformally invariant is dual to conformally variant (conjugates).
Complex conjugates are not holomorphic or complex differentiable -- conformally variant.
Real is dual to imaginary -- complex numbers are dual.
Homology is dual to co-homology.
"Always two there are" -- Yoda.
Synchronic points/lines are dual to enchronic points/lines -- the principle of duality in geometry!
Your mind is syntropic as you integrate information to synthesize reality -- integration is dual to differentiation.
So jealous that you got to hang out with Roger Penrose! Appreciate the interview. Thank you.
Great episode, Kurt ❤️🔥
I enjoyed this interview very much. Even though I don't have the background, it made me dig deeper into CCC and I found it a pleasant surprise that it aligned very well with my own (purely philosophical) speculations about the nature of the universe.
Brilliant interview.
Another incredible video, you got skills best editing best interviewing skills.. been hear for years