"Like" but exhausted watching all the detail!. Seriously - most informative. Adds some weight to all that's happening in the centre of Birmingham. Being an ex-boater - I hope the canal basins will be left alone - allowing life at around 4 mph to continue.
Every element of HS2 seems to be setting new records, but I think it's difficult to portray the sheer scale of Old Oak. Will be home to 2300 workers by the end of the year.
Very informative-the scale of the construction process is mind boggling ( uneven for those in construction) The forward dates in the far far future and the construction costs are also mind boggling!
Thanks for the vid. Good to see more progress at Old Oak Common. I can't wait to see the box excavated to platform level because then things will really start to take shape. Keep up the good work👍
@@Rail_Focus it’s currently under construction in the Central Valley, only 119 are under active construction, with the initial operating segment (171 miles) under pre construction (testing soil, utility relocations, etc). The tunnels that connect the Central Valley to the LA basin have not even finalized where they will go…. The San Francisco part of the project is doing alright and Caltrain is almost complete with their electrification project. La is currently working on upgrading their Union Station as well to support thru-running. But we’re nowhere near as much progress as you guys have gotten. Full operation of San Francisco to LA is expected to be competed by 2033 (I doubt that will happen), and the initial operating segment or begin in 2029 (that seems like it might actually happen tbh). The big challenge is getting those tunnels started between Palmdale and Burbank, as well as Bakersfield to Palmdale which goes through Tehachapi and includes a shorter tunnel
Really interesting, thank you. These mega projects have always fascinated me ever since I went to the channel tunnel exhibition that had in Folkestone when they were building the tunnel! Also, I’ve never heard of “ground heave” - an interesting concept that seems to work counter to gravity if it’s pushing up?
Ground heave is caused by the ground basically wanting to fill the hole in. Gravity pushes down on the surface surrounding the box which causes the ground to want to push back up into the void.
"No, we won't be connecting with Eurostar at St Pancras, we'll be running into Euston, along the road" Oh. "Cost cutting, you see?" Ok. "No, we won't be running to Euston now, we'll be stopping in west London " Oh. "Cost cutting, you see? But the tubes are good" " Just remind me how long and less convenient my journey to connect with Eurostar will now be?" "Ermm..."
@@mmtransport I don't think there much savings to be had by now. The tunnel boring machines would have been ordered years ago. The surveys mostly done. I presume the factories making the tunnel casting for other parts of the routes will be use for these tunnels where the savings in scrapping it, it must be minuscule.
Service will operate to Euston the "story" in the S*n was nonsense. Euston has progressed too far for it to be cancelled now and Old Oak simply wouldn't have to capacity for more than 6tph.
@@Rail_Focus Interesting. I didn't get the story from the Sun, rather it was announced by Global News on radio, who claimed it was an "official" announcement. I don't normally pay any attention to the MSM, so that'll teach me! Glad the story is cobblers. None of us could understand the rationale, given the works already undertaken.
@@henreereeman8529 250k is a whole heap of passengers but I believe it will be 500k passengers a day. They would probably need to build a bigger local bus and possibly tram service.
Makes me laugh when idiots who couldn't care less about heritage sites or countryside think multi billion pound pointless projects are all that matters
@@TheGreatGodPan makes me laugh that people haven't got a clue and would rather attack an electric railway than the much more destructive road schemes planned for RIS 2, 3 and 4.
See Birmingham Curzon St, Birmingham Interchange, and Eventually Manchester's new Piccadilly Station. Would be even better if HS2 was going to Leeds. Buy Old Oak Common will improve connectivity for passengers from the North wishing to get to Heathrow, Reading and beyond.
This explains Old Oak Commons HS2 station along with schematics of the HS2 routings much better than I've seen before. The HS2 routes are not as might be predicted from the depiction of the HS2 track alignments. Manchester HS2 trains are not going through Crewe as the HS2 track alignment would predict. Maybe this is a logic schematic, but the schematic doesn't show an in-line HS2 route between Manchester and Crewe. Now these have been canceled, but understanding the routing is still needed to understand the workings of the overall project as proposed. Except for when HS2 trackage extends north of Binghamton there is no connection of HS2 train set equipment on to the GWML. That would mean it is not possible to use a train from Crewe or Manchester that would use the fast HS2 trackage from Binghamton to London. What ever the ridership numbers are this would still leave a significant number of non commuter passenger trains on the GWML where the intent of HS2 was to greatly reduce those trains by placing them on HS2. Typical HSR passenger cars are of wider loading gauge than UK rail passenger cars. The expectation is that with a new railway for HSR it would be made at what would be typical HSR loading gauge. Most off main line handling tracks could be made to accommodate these cars relatively easily, but they would they would not fit for standard UK loading gauge. Some of the very restrained routing HSR passenger cars in the very distance future on GWML might be because it would require refitting the GWML for a larger loading gauge. I heard people refer to the Binghamton - Old Oak Commons HS2 route without other connection in a derogatory tone as a shuttle, but with no in-between stops that is actually what it is. If the HS2 train sets terminate at Binghamton as shown in this routing diagram then in order to go further one would have to transfer trains. There are track platforms at the Binghamton station being constructed that appear to not be through tracks that terminate at the platform. Surprisingly the HS2 routing diagram doesn't show a HS2 train sets being able to proceed further north then Binghamton on the GWML while HS2 track was being constructed.
Euston is so far behind now it probably won't be ready until the middle of the 2030s. Why the route to Birmingham to old oat common is going much smoother and I suspect might even pull ahead of schedule and open before 2029.
HS2 will terminate at Old Oak until about 2033. But in order to operate all the services such as 3tph to Manchester, 2tph to Liverpool and hopefully services to the East Midlands then Euston is needed at OOC wouldn't have the capacity.
I really dont get how it will take a further 10 years to get to Euston. The channel tunnel, with all it's terminal infrastucture, took less (about 7 years I think). Despite assurances to the contary I don't think the current government is that keen on pushing for a timely Euston completion.
The approach into Euston is very complex as is the station, but the site itself is relatively small. My "Euston Approach" may explain why it will taking so long.
@@Rail_Focus I'm aware of the complexity - maybe that should have dictated a different solution - but 10 years is a very long time to complete an infrastructure project already commenced. The only explanation is an unwillingness in Treasury and Government to release the appropriate funds and to accelerate the planning approvals. They have already started 'economising on the Euston design signalling their lack of interest.
@@barrieshepherd7694 I'm not sure if more money would help, it's already incredibly expensive, and I'm saying that as someone that supports HS2. But you're right 10 years does seem like a long time. The station building should go up relatively quickly, but I think the approach is incredibly complex, made even more so by the over site development and having to rebuild Hampstead Road, which could take 18 months to 2 years, before they can even start excavating the box. Then there's the huge cavern on the approach and the approach tunnels which have to be excavated using excavators, which is a painfully slow process..
It isn't real. It's the Tories playing politics with budgets, pretending they are cutting costs but acknowledging delays will just end up being more expensive in the long run, but their voter base and tabloids won't care about that
The structures are designed to last 100 years without any significant maintenance, so there's plenty of time 😉. But in all seriousness even the BCR calculation which didn't include wider economic benefits was based on a 60 year payback period.
Phenomenal Engineering, as usual - but with the majority of people "Up North" now working from home, and travel time down to a saving of only an estimated 30 minutes, the EXTRA £50 BILLION it would have been more effective to have offered the 39 County Councils £1 BILLION EACH!!!
Here's an idea, why not invest in both! Instead of continuing the Tory Aust agenda. Cancelling HS2 would not mean spare money for other things, that's not how government finances work
This isn't true given it's currently under construction as far as the West Midlands, I've made videos about Birmingham Curzon St and will be recording one about Birmingham Interchange. It just happens that some of the biggest engineering challenges are in London. But companies across the UK are supplying HS2.
"Open by 2029...." the rest by "2030..." 5 YEARS AWAY!!!! With the "Grids" about to go down due to the Earth's Magnetic Pole Shift, with chaos ensuring, a demand by Government that ALL vehicles use Unsustainable Electric Power, a restriction of Private Transport to get to the respective Stations the future for HS2 looks grim. Just saying.
The cost of that hub alone would reinstate the railway up to Consett near where I live in County Durham; but that's "up Norf" isn't it so silly me. What an absolute criminal waste of money this whole project is, money that could have been spent reinstating much needed rail links all around the country...
Here's a radical idea, why not both? Cancelling HS2 or even not building HS2 in the first place would not guarantee the reopening of your railway, that's just not how government finances work.
It's not just a "few minutes", it's also primarily about capacity and is an investment in infrastructure that will be around much longer than you or I.
Massive waste of money spent on trashing the countryside and heritage sites for a railway no one needs using billions that would be better spent heating the homes of the less fortunate. Nice work.
A rich country like ours shouldn't have to choose between investments in infrastructure and people being able to heat their home. Even if HS2 were cancelled there still wouldn't be a magic pot of money to invest in insulation or renewable energy, that's not how government finances works 🤦
You know "switch" is an railway engineering term and not American? Switch diamonds, switches and crossings, switch blade, switch maintenance... all terms used regularly in the UK. Maybe you need to find something to justifiably be annoyed about enough to comment, rather than just making ill informed digs for the sake of it...
Investment in infrastructure is never a waste, especially if it's future proofed against worsening weather, frees up capacity on other lines for better regional connectivity and freight and employs thousands of skilled workers. Fact is no amount of upgrades would ever come close to matching HS2 for capacity.
@@Rail_Focus nobody will use it. Covid has proved that we don't need to travel as much and have face to face meetings when we can meet virtually. Scrap it!!
I guess we should never meet distant family members face to face and shoulders go on virtual holidays too. Rail passenger figures are already back to pre Pandemic levels, claiming we shouldn't invest in public transport because of Covid is nonsense
Please note why bother to go to Euston ? It's the wrong station for Eurostar links to Europe and has serious problems with existing buildings supported by brick walls en route to Euston The Elizabeth line has quicker links to the City and Canary Wharf . Also UK visitors arriving at Heathrow can link to the north west at OOC . Forget Euston now £££ . Better still scrap the HS2 project now and save £100 billion for more important rail links promised but already forgotten by Govt . JM
Could you imagine being such a sad little boy who has nothing better to do than go around the internet commenting about how people speak? The outside world exists, maybe go visit?
@@philipareed Point proven, you've clearly failed so much in life that you need to bring everyone else down rather than actually bringing anything positive and meaningful to this world. Enjoy videoing your lonely little trips to Tesco, it's the content we're all on the edge of our seats for.
Rail passenger figures are approaching 90% pre-Covid and rising, ECML almost 100%. Working patterns may have changed but it's false to claim everyone's now working from home, also rail shouldn't just be for commuters, there's been a huge uplift in leisure travel which we need to encourage. A knee jerk reaction to a momentary blip such as cancelling investment in rail would be a monumental mistake. It's also odd that people never seem to apply the "everyone's working from home" logic to the enormous road building programme the government is committed to.
@@petermorris3665 Yes but we need it faster and to more places, like the places HS2 was originally going to serve- before Government/Treasurty etc. scuppered it.
@Dazzzlers Channel what absolute cobblers. There are loads and loads of jobs that can't be done from home. Jobs in construction, hotel and catering, security, loads of office jobs, hospitality and shop work , plus population growth. There are still loads of industries that I've missed.
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"Like" but exhausted watching all the detail!.
Seriously - most informative. Adds some weight to all that's happening in the centre of Birmingham.
Being an ex-boater - I hope the canal basins will be left alone - allowing life at around 4 mph to continue.
I do like to try and cram as much detail into 6 minutes as I can 😅
Incredible hub . They are selling shared ownership flats nearby I cannot think of a better connected residential location in the UK . WONDERFUL.
Thanks - great to see some detailed updates on HS2 at Old Oak Common!. Nice to see the box excavation so far!
This is civil engineering on a massive scale. And its not just this site but almost every site is massive.
Every element of HS2 seems to be setting new records, but I think it's difficult to portray the sheer scale of Old Oak. Will be home to 2300 workers by the end of the year.
Very informative-the scale of the construction process is mind boggling ( uneven for those in construction)
The forward dates in the far far future and the construction costs are also mind boggling!
Thanks for bringing us this update.
No problem, hope the video was informative
really interesting. thank you!
i had no idea that hs2 is connecting up so many services damnnnn
Yup, Old Oak Common will be a game changer
Thanks for the vid. Good to see more progress at Old Oak Common. I can't wait to see the box excavated to platform level because then things will really start to take shape. Keep up the good work👍
I hope I get to see it for myself. They reckon it could be done in 2 months, which is amazing giving how enormous it is.
@@Rail_Focus Yeah that certainly is quick
Although I won’t be surprised I’ll still be disappointed if (or when) HS2 opens before California high speed rail
Is it or isn't it being constructed? I never can tell. It's such a shame, but it doesn't help that Musk spent millions on Loophype to try and kill it
@@Rail_Focus it’s currently under construction in the Central Valley, only 119 are under active construction, with the initial operating segment (171 miles) under pre construction (testing soil, utility relocations, etc). The tunnels that connect the Central Valley to the LA basin have not even finalized where they will go…. The San Francisco part of the project is doing alright and Caltrain is almost complete with their electrification project. La is currently working on upgrading their Union Station as well to support thru-running. But we’re nowhere near as much progress as you guys have gotten. Full operation of San Francisco to LA is expected to be competed by 2033 (I doubt that will happen), and the initial operating segment or begin in 2029 (that seems like it might actually happen tbh). The big challenge is getting those tunnels started between Palmdale and Burbank, as well as Bakersfield to Palmdale which goes through Tehachapi and includes a shorter tunnel
Really interesting, thank you. These mega projects have always fascinated me ever since I went to the channel tunnel exhibition that had in Folkestone when they were building the tunnel!
Also, I’ve never heard of “ground heave” - an interesting concept that seems to work counter to gravity if it’s pushing up?
Ground heave is caused by the ground basically wanting to fill the hole in. Gravity pushes down on the surface surrounding the box which causes the ground to want to push back up into the void.
Well narrated.
Thank you 😀
Good stuff 👍
Cheers, hope you found it informative
Fantastic video I wonder if you have a similar one for the work being undertaken in the Euston approaches
I do indeed th-cam.com/video/-nGJjIdWffs/w-d-xo.html
Amazing 👌
"No, we won't be connecting with Eurostar at St Pancras, we'll be running into Euston, along the road" Oh. "Cost cutting, you see?" Ok.
"No, we won't be running to Euston now, we'll be stopping in west London " Oh. "Cost cutting, you see? But the tubes are good" " Just remind me how long and less convenient my journey to connect with Eurostar will now be?" "Ermm..."
Luckily HS2 is still running to Euston
@@mmtransport I don't think there much savings to be had by now. The tunnel boring machines would have been ordered years ago. The surveys mostly done. I presume the factories making the tunnel casting for other parts of the routes will be use for these tunnels where the savings in scrapping it, it must be minuscule.
Service will operate to Euston the "story" in the S*n was nonsense. Euston has progressed too far for it to be cancelled now and Old Oak simply wouldn't have to capacity for more than 6tph.
Plus to cost of redesigning and then rebuilding the box at Old Oak to accommodate more than 6tph
@@Rail_Focus Interesting. I didn't get the story from the Sun, rather it was announced by Global News on radio, who claimed it was an "official" announcement. I don't normally pay any attention to the MSM, so that'll teach me!
Glad the story is cobblers. None of us could understand the rationale, given the works already undertaken.
This will become a tourist attraction in its own right. Only 250K passengers a day. Eat your heart out Teeside Airport Station.
Teeside Airport ❗😂😂😂
Idk if that was sarcastic but 250k per day sounds pretty healthy to me
@@henreereeman8529 250k is a whole heap of passengers but I believe it will be 500k passengers a day.
They would probably need to build a bigger local bus and possibly tram service.
250k is a huge amount
@@simonbrown7455 for Middlesbrough area 250k is indeed a whole heap of passengers. If it is Gatwick and Heathrow then that is nowt.
Makes me laugh when people say cancel it. The amount of work which has been down is incredible.
I know, already had one in the comments. I don't think people appreciate just how much has already been achieved.
Makes me laugh when idiots who couldn't care less about heritage sites or countryside think multi billion pound pointless projects are all that matters
@@TheGreatGodPan makes me laugh that people haven't got a clue and would rather attack an electric railway than the much more destructive road schemes planned for RIS 2, 3 and 4.
Great video! Does the Elizabeth Line also need slewing to the new station, or was it already built in the right place?
Liz Line will also need slewing into the new station. The GWML and Liz Line tracks all run parallel passed OOC.
@@Rail_Focus thanks
You forgot to link the station video in the description
Should be there, just towards the bottom "About Old Oak Common: youtu.be/SQut1l9e" 🙂
Would be lovely to see this kind of investment spent for once somewhere other than London.
See Birmingham Curzon St, Birmingham Interchange, and Eventually Manchester's new Piccadilly Station. Would be even better if HS2 was going to Leeds. Buy Old Oak Common will improve connectivity for passengers from the North wishing to get to Heathrow, Reading and beyond.
Lol that's a dopey copy and paste
This explains Old Oak Commons HS2 station along with schematics of the HS2 routings much better than I've seen before. The HS2 routes are not as might be predicted from the depiction of the HS2 track alignments. Manchester HS2 trains are not going through Crewe as the HS2 track alignment would predict. Maybe this is a logic schematic, but the schematic doesn't show an in-line HS2 route between Manchester and Crewe. Now these have been canceled, but understanding the routing is still needed to understand the workings of the overall project as proposed.
Except for when HS2 trackage extends north of Binghamton there is no connection of HS2 train set equipment on to the GWML. That would mean it is not possible to use a train from Crewe or Manchester that would use the fast HS2 trackage from Binghamton to London. What ever the ridership numbers are this would still leave a significant number of non commuter passenger trains on the GWML where the intent of HS2 was to greatly reduce those trains by placing them on HS2.
Typical HSR passenger cars are of wider loading gauge than UK rail passenger cars. The expectation is that with a new railway for HSR it would be made at what would be typical HSR loading gauge. Most off main line handling tracks could be made to accommodate these cars relatively easily, but they would they would not fit for standard UK loading gauge. Some of the very restrained routing HSR passenger cars in the very distance future on GWML might be because it would require refitting the GWML for a larger loading gauge.
I heard people refer to the Binghamton - Old Oak Commons HS2 route without other connection in a derogatory tone as a shuttle, but with no in-between stops that is actually what it is. If the HS2 train sets terminate at Binghamton as shown in this routing diagram then in order to go further one would have to transfer trains. There are track platforms at the Binghamton station being constructed that appear to not be through tracks that terminate at the platform. Surprisingly the HS2 routing diagram doesn't show a HS2 train sets being able to proceed further north then Binghamton on the GWML while HS2 track was being constructed.
Glad I managed to explain it well
Well as rumours goes that HS2 won’t be serving London Euston until it’s been completed and HS2 will temporarily terminate at Old Oak Common.
Euston is so far behind now it probably won't be ready until the middle of the 2030s.
Why the route to Birmingham to old oat common is going much smoother and I suspect might even pull ahead of schedule and open before 2029.
HS2 will terminate at Old Oak until about 2033. But in order to operate all the services such as 3tph to Manchester, 2tph to Liverpool and hopefully services to the East Midlands then Euston is needed at OOC wouldn't have the capacity.
Looks like HS2 will terminate at Old Oak Common.
@@Andrewjg_89 I'm still confident Euston will be completed
@@Rail_FocusFingers Crossed 🤞
Holy bass mic.
Still dialing in my new mic 😅
I really dont get how it will take a further 10 years to get to Euston.
The channel tunnel, with all it's terminal infrastucture, took less (about 7 years I think). Despite assurances to the contary I don't think the current government is that keen on pushing for a timely Euston completion.
The approach into Euston is very complex as is the station, but the site itself is relatively small. My "Euston Approach" may explain why it will taking so long.
@@Rail_Focus I'm aware of the complexity - maybe that should have dictated a different solution - but 10 years is a very long time to complete an infrastructure project already commenced.
The only explanation is an unwillingness in Treasury and Government to release the appropriate funds and to accelerate the planning approvals. They have already started 'economising on the Euston design signalling their lack of interest.
@@barrieshepherd7694 I'm not sure if more money would help, it's already incredibly expensive, and I'm saying that as someone that supports HS2. But you're right 10 years does seem like a long time.
The station building should go up relatively quickly, but I think the approach is incredibly complex, made even more so by the over site development and having to rebuild Hampstead Road, which could take 18 months to 2 years, before they can even start excavating the box.
Then there's the huge cavern on the approach and the approach tunnels which have to be excavated using excavators, which is a painfully slow process..
It isn't real. It's the Tories playing politics with budgets, pretending they are cutting costs but acknowledging delays will just end up being more expensive in the long run, but their voter base and tabloids won't care about that
It's an amazing project. But I'm not really sure how long it will take to pay for It's self 🤔
The structures are designed to last 100 years without any significant maintenance, so there's plenty of time 😉. But in all seriousness even the BCR calculation which didn't include wider economic benefits was based on a 60 year payback period.
It’ll pay for itself a lot faster than any road project ever could
Oh no, not anymore grey station!! 😂😂
Hopefully not too grey 😬
interesting video but had to watch with the sound off and subtitles on so as to lose the horrid distracting music added to the video.
That's a shame, I haven't had any complaints before. Try to keep the music as low as possible.
Phenomenal Engineering, as usual - but with the majority of people "Up North" now working from home, and travel time down to a saving of only an estimated 30 minutes, the EXTRA £50 BILLION it would have been more effective to have offered the 39 County Councils £1 BILLION EACH!!!
Here's an idea, why not invest in both! Instead of continuing the Tory Aust agenda. Cancelling HS2 would not mean spare money for other things, that's not how government finances work
I can't help noticing that most hs2 projects are taking place in the London area. what happened to levelling up? Including hs3? NEVER TRUST A TORY!!
This isn't true given it's currently under construction as far as the West Midlands, I've made videos about Birmingham Curzon St and will be recording one about Birmingham Interchange. It just happens that some of the biggest engineering challenges are in London. But companies across the UK are supplying HS2.
Its going to Manchester and Birmingham which, when I last visited, was not in the 'London Area'. NEVER TRUST LIEBOUR!!
"Open by 2029...." the rest by "2030..." 5 YEARS AWAY!!!! With the "Grids" about to go down due to the Earth's Magnetic Pole Shift, with chaos ensuring, a demand by Government that ALL vehicles use Unsustainable Electric Power, a restriction of Private Transport to get to the respective Stations the future for HS2 looks grim. Just saying.
Aren't you a ray of sunshine 🤣
The cost of that hub alone would reinstate the railway up to Consett near where I live in County Durham; but that's "up Norf" isn't it so silly me. What an absolute criminal waste of money this whole project is, money that could have been spent reinstating much needed rail links all around the country...
Here's a radical idea, why not both? Cancelling HS2 or even not building HS2 in the first place would not guarantee the reopening of your railway, that's just not how government finances work.
HS2 the biggest waste of money ever all that work for only a few minutes quicker
It's not just a "few minutes", it's also primarily about capacity and is an investment in infrastructure that will be around much longer than you or I.
Oh by the way you are parroting a narrative not thinking with your own brain
Massive waste of money spent on trashing the countryside and heritage sites for a railway no one needs using billions that would be better spent heating the homes of the less fortunate. Nice work.
A rich country like ours shouldn't have to choose between investments in infrastructure and people being able to heat their home. Even if HS2 were cancelled there still wouldn't be a magic pot of money to invest in insulation or renewable energy, that's not how government finances works 🤦
Lol
Are we going American? SInce when did Points become Switches?
What do you think S&C stands for?
@@Rail_Focus haven't a scooby
You know "switch" is an railway engineering term and not American? Switch diamonds, switches and crossings, switch blade, switch maintenance... all terms used regularly in the UK.
Maybe you need to find something to justifiably be annoyed about enough to comment, rather than just making ill informed digs for the sake of it...
@@dinger40 Switches and Crossings a term used frequently by Network Rail
@@Rail_Focus thanks. When did that change, I'm a dinosaur.
Jesus Christ what a complete waste of resources. Money would be better spent on upgrading existing network.
Investment in infrastructure is never a waste, especially if it's future proofed against worsening weather, frees up capacity on other lines for better regional connectivity and freight and employs thousands of skilled workers. Fact is no amount of upgrades would ever come close to matching HS2 for capacity.
🙄HS2 IS an upgrade to the existing network.
UK population is growing at 5 million per decade. We desperately need the extra capacity HS2 will bring.
@@Rail_Focus nobody will use it. Covid has proved that we don't need to travel as much and have face to face meetings when we can meet virtually. Scrap it!!
I guess we should never meet distant family members face to face and shoulders go on virtual holidays too. Rail passenger figures are already back to pre Pandemic levels, claiming we shouldn't invest in public transport because of Covid is nonsense
Please note why bother to go to Euston ? It's the wrong station for Eurostar links to Europe and has serious problems with existing buildings supported by brick walls en route to Euston The Elizabeth line has quicker links to the City and Canary Wharf . Also UK visitors arriving at Heathrow can link to the north west at OOC .
Forget Euston now £££ . Better still scrap the HS2 project now and save £100 billion for more important rail links promised but already forgotten by Govt . JM
OOC does not have the important tube links that Euston has to the Overground, Victoria, Northern, Met, Circle and H&C lines..
Scrap HS2 now, okay 🤣. Thanks for the engagement I guess.
There is no 'H' in the letter aitch.
🙄🤷
Could you imagine being such a sad little boy who has nothing better to do than go around the internet commenting about how people speak?
The outside world exists, maybe go visit?
@@JenOnTheMove Ha ha ha ha! Could you imagine being a sad little trainspotter? Oh, yes, you can.
@@Rail_Focus 🥰🥰
@@philipareed Point proven, you've clearly failed so much in life that you need to bring everyone else down rather than actually bringing anything positive and meaningful to this world.
Enjoy videoing your lonely little trips to Tesco, it's the content we're all on the edge of our seats for.
What an amazing waste of money and time, now most people work from home will this ever be used as initially calculated pre covid????????????
Rail passenger figures are approaching 90% pre-Covid and rising, ECML almost 100%. Working patterns may have changed but it's false to claim everyone's now working from home, also rail shouldn't just be for commuters, there's been a huge uplift in leisure travel which we need to encourage.
A knee jerk reaction to a momentary blip such as cancelling investment in rail would be a monumental mistake.
It's also odd that people never seem to apply the "everyone's working from home" logic to the enormous road building programme the government is committed to.
UK population is growing at 5 million per decade. We desperately need the extra capacity HS2 will bring.
@@petermorris3665 Yes but we need it faster and to more places, like the places HS2 was originally going to serve- before Government/Treasurty etc. scuppered it.
@Dazzzlers Channel what absolute cobblers.
There are loads and loads of jobs that can't be done from home. Jobs in construction, hotel and catering, security, loads of office jobs, hospitality and shop work , plus population growth. There are still loads of industries that I've missed.
Come back in 20 years, let's see who was right
that's alright then
It is