FREESAT IS OVER
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ส.ค. 2024
- Satellite television has been a staple for decades, but has the time finally come for the medium, in particular, for FREESAT, to come to an end...? As the UK broadcasters desperately aim to move to a internet based model, can FreeSat and satellite TV at large survive?
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Thank you all for tuning in! My apologies for the click-baity title and thumbnail, unfortunately to get any sort of proper boost in the algorithm when publishing new videos, this is the way the game works now on TH-cam, and on the Internet generally 😂 but regardless, I hope you enjoyed the video!
no worries Adam
Still not a good idea
What a great idea, let's put everything on the Internet, so if it goes down everything is down
yep, theres an old saying, never put all your eggs in one basket,
My mum is on Freesat as she has no other choice. Internet in her village is awful, and due to lay of the land there is no aerial signal so Freeview is out of the question. The end of Freesat will be the end of TV for my mum. She has a TV with Freesat built in to make it easier for her to operate.
It’s just a rumour, why title the video in the way *2007-2024* as if it’s been confirmed, it’s just clickbait.
It’s something that TH-camrs do to try and overhype something has small as this for more views. It’s just how the internet is now.
Freesat is still running.
Have you not been on TH-cam in the last 10 years? It’s normal
Look at the comment directly above yours that's pinned.
@@thevioletwild I see it but, it’s only cause a few people have picked up on it now, the comment wasn’t there when I commented this.
We use Freesat on our main TV in the lounge because it carries way more HD channels than Freeview. Also the picture quality of those HD channels is slightly better than the same ones that are on Freeview due to higher bandwidth and bitrate being available. It costs way less to carry a channel on satellite than on terrestrial due to the fact that terrestrial requires dozens on transmission towers to cover most of the country , whereas satellite can get almost everywhere as long as there is a line of sight view with just the one satellite beam. It would make sense to keep satellite ( Freesat) going longest due to it's lower costs and huge coverage even in rural areas. I think it would be a mistake to put all TV and radio broadcasting on Internet distribution only in case of outages - either technical failure or even hostilities.
I think you make a great point about it being cheaper to broadcast hd channels on Freesat compared to Freeview. However, as a long form alternative to internet distribution I think Freeview will be better, purely because the infrastructure will last longer. The current satellites in orbit will need to be replaced by the end of the decade and I can't see Sky or the public broadcasters justifying the cost of sending another satellite up when that time comes.
'terrestrial requires dozens on transmission towers to cover most of the country' Yup, but they've already been built!
ENP
I live in small village, I’ve recently got Sky, but my net keeps crashing and the Sky Goes wrong, due to where I live the internet goes 3 or 4 times a day
As a carer internet is not going to work for vulnerable people who need care. I no of a number of people who cannot use internet & would be extremely handycapt by the removal of sat/terrestrial tv.
Another option could be to shift UK channels (maybe just core channels) to 19.2 Deg E. SES are sending up ASTRA 1P this year, and 1Q in 2026.
As far as I am aware, mainland Europe do not have plans for a 100% DVB-I TV channel service. This could allow Freesat to operate for a good few years to come.
Depending on the capacity of these satellites, it could allow Freesat and Sky to operate for for quite some time via satellite.
Obviously this would need engineer visits to people's homes to realign viewers dishes.
Bear in mind that Freesat is not the only way that people can receive free UK channels via satellite. There are a lot of people using a generic satellite receiver or an old sky box to obtain such channels. I don't know if these numbers are captured anywhere?
In reality, I actually don't think Astra 28.2 E will be going anywhere, and I would imagine that they will be sending up at least one replacement set. The fleet currently serves the UK and a big chunk of mainland Europe for TV and SES Satellite Broadband.
The issue is people with terrible internet connections.
Yes, there is satellite internet, for people on a small island in the Outer Hebrides without a phone connection, but that's far from free. Worse, if you're in a city like London, there isn't availability because there's a maximum number of connections that can be handled in an area by a satellite, so if you have a bad line (and therefore shitty internet), you'll be stuffed.
My flat only has a satellite dish so had to use freesat when the council removed the aerial. It was moved as they were doing some renovations but didn't re-install it. I did call them about it but they had no plan to put it back up.
The broadcasters want everybody on streaming, meaning the customer is paying for the delivery (through their isp bill).
If satallite is ended - no more payment to SES.
The customer will be paying a good chunk of the delivery method.
Freesat has LOADS of niche and international channels compared to Freeview so itll be interesting to see if they can get migrated over to Freely!
Freely looks decidedly underwhelming in what it provides so far.
What a load of garbage. We rely on freesat as there is a bloody big hill between my house and the transmitter! So not a reliable source for tv reception. I'm against paying subscriptions, so put up with adds.
Please no
Rural and coastal areas are still behind with broadband availability. The town of Filey suffers from a lack of superfast Internet and digital TV signals are also poor so we have no option but yo use satellite. Freesat is a godsend.
I can receive freeview and freesat and choose to use freesat because the picture quality seems better and there's more channels
So dumb to put all your eggs in the Internet basket. Just as dumb as going paperless and hoping there is no solar flare or EMP event to destroy all HDs and PCBs. Contingency and backup is the issue.
The sattelite companies have very little costs to keep it in place. The company runs many more sats than the ones doing UK TV, they have to manage those, and the extra cost to manage 3 more is minimal. What they won't do is replace them when they're ready to be retired. If the TV companies are willing to keep paying, they'll stay up until they die.
The same situation is going to apply to radio. If the television broadcasters pull out of broadcasting, they won't be able to afford picking up the tab for the broadcasting infrastructure and radio will go online only too. Terrestrial and satellite broadcasting, TV and radio, could be gone in a decade on financial grounds with the mobile phone networks taking up the UHF and VHF spectrum and I'm sure Elon Musk would take interest in the spectrum vacated by satellite for Starlink.
You know fm and DAB exsist so radio will survive
@@GoosePlays20 Not if they can't afford the overheads when Arqiva's television customers no longer need to pay to upkeep the transmission network. Same issue with satellite.
I would think FM will be around a long time for car radio
@@ynyslochtyn The “powers-that-be” began investigating the possibility of switching off FM radio in favour of DAB for mobile (i.e, in car) reception services years ago, due in part to the reduced bandwidth required for digital signals compared to analog transmissions.
@@davemoore5222 Maybe DAB will perish along with satellite. With FM surviving but internet radio as an alternative.
Domestic internet would need to improve first. Sure, for most UK households, today's broadband speeds are fine for streaming most of the time, but something that receives little attention, and I'll explain why it matters for watching TV: most domestic connections have the upload speed fixed much slower than download ("non-symmetrical"). Most ISPs are incentivised not to change this because they want a big headline download speed. The consequence is that as soon as somebody in the household starts syncing their photos to the cloud, or backing up their PC, or uploading files to work, or anything else that pushes data, the entire household's streaming speed drops through the floor leading to pixilation and dropouts, because the upstream channel is swamped and the streaming process in fact requires two-way communication. Internet TV is acceptable for catch-up TV, or as backup if there's a glitch on Freesat (e.g. bad weather). It's probably fine if you live on your own or if you are happy to watch TV on your phone. But I don't think the country is ready for internet to become the primary delivery route for TV.
Broadband should be free.
I live in rural NE Scotland, with no fibre availability, the local telephone exchange only supplies a dozen households. I can get 125mbps mobile internet via EE though, but it regularly goes down for several hours or more, it's pretty weather sensitive.
So we use Freesat as the main way of viewing free to air channels, as that only goes down during stormy weather. Hopefully it stays around for a while yet.
If freely is going to be the main platform it's launch is rubbish.
I haven't even seen one advert for it and most people don't even know it's available.
Yes, I can't see many people rushing out to buy a Hisense Tv just to get Freely. If they want it to catch on it will need to be on all new TVs & also via streaming devices like Roku.
SES aren’t the only satellite supplier, BBC & ITV are already carried on Hotbird at 13e and Freeview has a sat back service (backup) on Telstar 15w, which they have only just moved to, it’s an encrypted service atm but can imagine be turned clear if needs be.
Elon musk: launch’s 5964 satellites
Freesat: this one satellite is too expensive to serve 2 million customers.
Satellites are cheap and getting cheaper. If sky move away from satellite they’ll have to invest more into servers for online content. Netflix paid AWS $27 million per month in 2023. Satellite is far cheaper in that it takes a single data stream and then uses solar power to beam it back down to earth for millions to share that single data stream and pick out what they want. I don’t think anything can compete with how cheap a single satellite is for how many people it can serve
This is very informative. Thank you.
My pleasure!
The mystery is how many Freesat boxes and TV’s are active in the Rep of Ireland using overspill satellite 📡 signals. If they get cut off, any alternative solution is likely to exclude them and that is likely going to create an issue in Ireland as a lot of people like UK television plus itv and channel 5 channels are not officially offered by paid tv alternatives.
My Internet is only Mobile WIFI as the is no internet where i live. Last night i could not even stream IPlayer as my internet was 2 slow. Most day i am lucky to get 1mb. My only TV is freesat
I don't want freesat to leave, How will we get a Satalite for free after the death? Also, First, Pin?
I don't know. This could very quickly bring a lot of freeview channel's to a close and streaming services are not the same
You won’t
We use it for recording
You do need a box or modified TV to get TV vire your router.
You also need a reliable phone line.
All you need with satellite is a dish, LBN and satellite box.
No dodgy phone lines required and no video image freezing.
_"no video image freezing"_
Except maybe when it's pouring with rain ...
Exactly. People do not think about this, but their cost of these internet based products, can amount to quite a lot as well ? So.... and the things which you see, isn't necessarily great either. So.... And then there are the subscription costs as well per month. Which can be quite a LOT.
The only reason they want TV to be streamed is that you can’t record streamed TV so you can’t fast forward the adverts
I legitmately forgot Freesat was even a thing
I’ve been without BBC1 and BBC2 channels for about a year despite a retune. Other channels are working fine. I haven’t followed onto the iplayer for my TV.
Last year also: BBC changed the streaming format for their internet radio, and my £400 internet radio is no longer compatible with their streams. I don’t listen to BBC radio anymore as a result, I just changed channels.
It seems they are doing everything they can to undermine their case for continued funding via a TV license. They are at risk of becoming irrelevant.
My understanding is that digital TV via wired Internet demands far more power to run and therefore more power stations in support. Not a good option, therefore.
Hair... can nobody see the hair..👀
Clearly it would be sensible to keep antenna Freeview.... satellite Freeview.... internet Freeview and analogue radio as well as satellite internet and digital dab dab+....if something malfunctions they we still have lots of redunancy available.... particularly in emergency perhaps.... don't put all of your eggs in one communication basket!....
Why are they selling Freesat boxes and not telling us they are ending ?
Not exactly a man of few words!
We have have to use Freesat when the weather gets too hot or foggy, basically anything other than average 🤦 Freeview is woeful often just dying suddenly leaving just That's TV if you're really unlucky 😂
The reality is that broadcasters don't want to pay for additional infrastructure when the Internet is there and a viable transmission medium - it's cost effective to them and they're not responsible for the upkeep of the infrastructure.
From a satellite point of view, I think it's days are numbered - there's not much point in broadcasting TV over satellite now when it's handily beaten by IPTV - satellite communication would be better utilised for telecommunications.
With regards to terrestrial TV and radio however, I think it would be a grave mis-step to shut these services down - broadcast TV and radio is beautifully simple - you just need an aerial and reception equipment. No active send/receive technology to receive a transmission. Just a simple aerial. In areas where Internet connectivity is poor or even just in the case of a telecommunications breakdown, having such a simple effective service seems like a no brainer.
Perhaps there will be some merging of the standards so mobile data signals can be used to transmit TV / radio, and if so, it not require a SIM - just plain broadcasting. This would appease those who want to use the Freeview signals for increased mobile data bandwidth.
I've no idea what's going to happen, but needless to say that the broadcasting infrastructure landscape is going to be changing. That being said, TV itself is changing, with linear channels days being numbered (maybe!).
You still havent mentioned recording capability?
Your videos are very Cool and i Watch them even though i'm italian.
I am long time aerial & satellite installer disappointed that we are going down the rabbit hole of IPTV my main concerns if you lose your internet connection NO TV my second concern is more power to the broadcaster charge a premium for NO commercial advertising and my third concern good bye too all of your recordings I guess I am old school like being in control not being controlled sad times for the future☹️
New: internet TV and radio (including in car)
Old but staying: Terrestrial TV and FM radio
For the bullet: Satellite TV and DAB radio
Hopefully the TV licence is on the way out.
Yes, the £160 TV licence is probably on its way out, to be replaced with £160 annual subscription for IPTV…
(if not more) 😱
Don't care what happens as long as the TV licence goes...
Trouble with paying for BBC license is I don't want to watch almost all of it.
Don't hold your breath 😂😂😂😂
TV licence went back in 2019 in this house!
@@ep1929 I buy a television licence just to avoid the harassment really.... plus I might watch some tennis coverage on iPlayer.... otherwise I don't really consume the BBC that much anymore....the 70s....some of the 80s....and bits of the 90s and since have been okay perhaps....they insist on requesting home visits and questioning if your equipment has the possibility of receiving live television broadcasts....in any way whatsoever.... you know?....
Iptv won't work for me have a 100gb data cap as on 4g no fiber hell not even able to get a phone line anymore since bt moved to IP phone as my estimated Internet speed is under 512k that's the minimum needed for a phone line
Hi Adam Thxs for the intresting video my point is not every one would like to pay for the internet to watch freebee tv as the internet is not free to the pulic. I have BT TV sports boxs and that uses the interenet that freezes now and again so I have to rest the BT Tv Box thats a annoying when you are watching a football match. My internet speed is 50mbps. And all so would you arsk a older person to pay for the internet costs just to watch freebee tv and pay for a BBC Tv license on top. If the internet goes off we all left in the dark. Thxs
I fitted satellite 20 years ago when I moved to Wales . A kit from maplin at the time. Done well. Now have a humax box last 8 years. Freeview. Also via antenna in attic. Just gone over to full fibre for normal internet Use. I feel reliance on a fibre network could lead to serious problems. You will end up with a huge outage as technology can fail, where a satellite tends to only affect a single user. Time will tell.
What do we call "Sky" then haha! Satellite is weirdly expensive and is a lovely little luxury that gives broadcast to a wide footprint. But Rupert Murdoch loved the idea of controlling the transmitter for such a broad area.
Get a non sky/Freesat satellite set up. Cheap & loads of choice 🤷
Skytat😂😂😂
@@stepheng8779 dude I'm talking about the broadcasting! Of course the dish is easy, though surely slightly harder than an antenna. ESPECIALLY an indoor antenna. I think the dream of universal OTA/FTA coverage for indoor televisions is still unmatched, from analog PAL/NTSC days. DVB fixed the ghosting, but DVB/ATSC never got the handheld TV to work.
The freely app costs €5.99 on apple tv box
I adore Freesat. Great way to combine it with other channels on 19.2E etc for foreign language channels, particularly for LIVE domestic news coverage that isn't always available on catch up.
If I was in charge of the Govt, I would leep satellite going but with free to air commercial broadcasters, and I would switch all channels to DVB-S2 transmission so that more services can, if they wish and have the budget, switch to HD transmission with Dolby AC-3 audio, and channels like TPTV who can't upgrade, to HD (understandable given their low cost operation) would have their bit rates increased at a low affordable price to improve their SD picture quality.
Yes, thanks, good blog, you give fair warning.
But at 7:48, "If you cant get a decent satellite signal, you're buggered"?
Satellite tv reception is as robust as it gets, If you have a clear view of the sky, then wherever you are in the UK , with the right dish the satellite signal should be OK.
Surely a 'lite' satellite tv service will as a minimum, survive for existing dishes at 28 degrees. I don't see why a future government couldn't help support a basic public service tv service on just 2 of a future satellite's transponders, with most of the many transponders reserved for other more economic telecom services. Freesat users would then just experience a slim down into a basic satellite tv service just comprising the live BBC, ITVx, Ch4 and 5 channels, similar to the terrestrial 'lite service.
I think the Freesat numbers don’t include homes with old used Sky boxes (that don’t have a active Sky subscription).
I am planning to ditch sky Q and get a freesat box but use a firestick and now tv for sports, so if the internet goes down I can use the freesat system, also when away in my caravan I always take my sky box and can always get a signal ware as I cannot always get the internet so mobile signals need to improve. I suppose even if I only get 4 or 5 years out of freesat something more reliable might of been developed by then hopefully
its all a con to sell new TV's We started on 405 line VHF in the 30's, then by the 60's it was 625 line UHF. Then came analogue SKY which then became SKY digital. Then they turned off the old analogue TV's and forced us to by digital TV etc. Now they want us to go online for content, but that wont be the end of it..
Everything going to streaming via the internet is a very bad idea! What about the elderly who do not have Broadband? What happens if there is a massive internet outage? Or a major nationwide incident that causes issues, how would people get information? I don’t watch broadcast/live TV and stream everything but i’m very aware i have Freeview if necessary via an aerial in the loft i could connect the TV to. (For now anyway).
I thought that companies like Virgin were providing low cost satellite launches, so why have satellite TV channels become too expensive?
I listen to Internet radio stations, as the "normal" stations don't provide content I want to listen too, but that often cuts out.
TV wouldn't be able to cope unless you pay big money for higher speeds.
Right? It’s funny how suddenly it’s “too expensive” yet the Astra satellites were launched late 80s - mid 90s and it wasn’t too expensive then? So much for nearly 40 years of “progress”
I wanted to see Freeview actually, cos I don't want to be google bound either... which is a bit rubbish... so.... So if terrestial TV is gone... then... how come...
Eraserhead! Freely will share exactly watch you watch with the BBC licencing people. If you watch ANY l;ive TV channels on ANY device the BBC will know exactly what you're watching and even which device you are using. The days of escaping your license are almost over. DON'T GET FREELY!
also prevents recording of programming for those who do pay the license
When you look at the figures of 1.2 million households on Freesat vs 16 million on Freeview then it's definately in the minority. If Sky pulls out of Satellite broadcasting then that'll probably be the end of Freesat too, as the cost of building and launching new satellites ready for 2029 will likely be too expensive for the public service broadcasters.
The current Freesat system could be used as we move over to IP TV (Freely), but equally Satellites could be used to bring Broadband Internet to parts of the UK where there's no high speed internet.
I think they've got a much bigger task on their hands to move those 16 million households away from Freeview. The question will be what's more cost effective to keep going Freesat or Freeview until the full transition to Freely is completed.
Before this becomes the norm, They need to get rid of these stupid geo restrictions. A million British living abroad want to watch English-speaking programs. These are presently avalable on satellite. But because of this geo censorship they won't be avalable in the future. The Internet is not free, " use a VPM" they will say, that is not free either. I live in Spain, my Internet is around 50 maps but it still buffers at times . All these upgrades, are really crap downgrades.
Its a shame as a old sky hd box owner who uses satille this will signal end of all satiliate tv. stream seem to be wave of future
You're actually better off with an old Sky box now than a Freesat box, as several channels have been removed from Freesat, but those same channels remain on the Sky box, even if you don't have a Sky subscription. I've replaced my Freesat box with an old Sky+ box, and now have all the channels back.
My thinking, it would all be better on satellite, the internet, tv, mapping systems it would re@ch everyone without ligand infrastructure and possibly cheaper
Axing satellite TV is one of the most stupid things that a nation can ever do, in Canada they completely axed terrestrial TV in 2012 and they switched to cable and satellite
er, are you really saying that Canada has no OTA ATSC?
@@whophd That is what they did back in 2012
@@rogerdarthwell5393 Are you saying they turned off NTSC but they didn't turn on ATSC? Or do you mean they launched ATSC and then abandoned it?
@@whophd Apparently they are testing ATSC in the Toronto area
@@rogerdarthwell5393 I think your details are about 21 years out of date? Check out "Digital Television in Canada". First in 2003, 22 stations by 2008.
Recently switched to Sky Stream from Sky Q, I won't be going back to Sky Q.
Tv
It seems like Lanier tv is on borrowed time
The 90s called. They want their Freeview back. We shouldn't be relying on archaic distribution for television anymore. Especially when Freeview/Freesat is squatting on valuable spectrum that is badly needed for 5G.
Well au revior freesat 😢but virgin is ok but sky and freeview in my opnion don't be angry is ❤❤❤❤
My satellite TV setup is broken but I don't intend to pay to have it fixed. It's good old terrestrial plus internet catch up (iplayer et al) going forward . May satellite TV RIP.
What’s with the nonsense?
nice blow out bro
Freely will replace Satellite aswell. No more recording TV as Internet based Freely lets you use the catchup services. Same as how Sky Stream works.
iplayer etc lets you catchup. Strange how the VHS recorder was an absolute essential once about a time!
Except for the stuff not on the catchup services or expired from then. It's all about broadcasters wresting control back from the users - to impose their editorial control over what you can watch and when you can watch it, packed brim full of unskippable ads. Yes, the VHS recorder was essential, because it gave you the ability to timeshift in an era before PVRs - and this flexibility provided by PVRs (i.e. like Sky+) is what is now being taken away. Some programmes are never made available on catchup, or only for 24 hours. This is trumpeted as being a much better experience for the end users ... err, no, it isn't.
@stewartbrodie1720 Oh I didn't think of that. I doubt the companies will care about that.
Freefiew launched on 30 Oct 2002 & freesat launched on 6 May 2008 the technology is getting old it's bound to move to internet as time moves on.
The problem with the internet is that it's really really complicated, with tens of millions of connections in the UK. Satellite is just uplink from the broadcaster, receive through millions of dishes *from the same satellite.*
Absolute bullshit clickbait. It's a rumour. Don't watch the video people, and downvote.
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What are on about. Stop talking rubbish.
First again