Great theory! I haven't heard this interpretation before to explain the layouts of the afton family. Although I'm still not convinced Elizabeth's death happens before CC's, the existence of the funtimes so early in the timeline is bothersome. I personally think CC is the first death of the series, after all it gives William the motivation to kill Charlie, to do the MKI and to create the funtimes. Also, I would be a bit more cautious using the "one retcon" argument when encountering a discrepancy in a theory, it can truly be used to justify anything
Thank you! I can't disagree with your points---they are important. I do believe my theory makes a lot of sense but there is still the question of why do the Funtimes exist. I hope to be able to explain this in a future video!
it could be like that for rory's testing facility but rory and mike probably lived in different houses since they would've ran into each other for the 10 years rory was at the testing facility the nightmare gas would probably make it real and not a dream, but mike would probably hallucinate seeing them in those nightmare forms for some ptsd reason about remembering what happened to bv i think the house mike lives at/has nightmares at is probably real though since he's able to leave it to work at fnaf 1 and leave it to work in sl, unlike rory whos trapped in his house
It is interesting that the layout for the FNAF 4 house is seen in SL. That I have not fit into my theory yet and it does have potentially huge implications. I'm not a big believer in the books, but it does seem like they are hinting at FNAF 4 being a fear gas experiment.
@@bonswootch unfortunately in recent times, there's been far more useful lore material told in the books (side material) than in the actual mainline games. Now also applying to early FNAF.
I just have to personally disagree with that midnight motorist interpretation. I don’t think there’s any feasible way Elizabeth dies before CC. What reason would William have to literally make murder robots before his son dies, or even Charlie dies? As well, in Sister Location, hand unit makes a reference that states that “after the unfortunate closing of Freddy Fazbear’s Pizza, it’s clear the stage was set for a new contender in children’s entertainment” , implying that Circus Baby’s had to of opened at least after the very first Freddy’s closed due to the MCI, which obviously comes AFTER CC dies.
I agree that the reason behind the Funtimes' creation is questionable. However, in my previous theory on JR's, I went into the idea that the "new contender in children's entertainment" is referring to Circus Baby's Entertainment and Rental, not Circus Baby's Pizza World, as in the same line of dialogue Handunit refers to this contender as being a venue that rents out animatronics. That would be CBER not CBPW.
@@alixrobinson8025 >But aren't the funtime animtonics made out of remnant that he got from the MCI They were made later, and injected with MCI Remnant, otherwise Elizabeth's death in '86 wouldnt work as Funtimes wouldnt exist at all.
@@ChristianLussow Henry definitely has a bit of... Flawed Narrator going on. He thinks Fire destroys Remnant, when the only evidence is a single blueprint "Maybe possibly getting too hot destroys it?". Confident enough that he makes a plan with no failsafe incase it doesnt work (and it did fail). He believes that Michael MUST want to burn with everyone else, despite never talking to him it seems, and likely not talking to him much if at all since 1983-1985 (a whopping near 40 year timegap). Though we know from AR that Michael either escaped before the fire got him, or he simply burned then walked out after. And, from his perspective, William likely *did* strike first, yet how would William view it? Would he agree he struck first with Charlie, or would he say Henry did with CC? With *his* robot killing William's son, with Michael's aid?
hey man! this was an interesting video, and you presented the theory very effectively! while I may have some disagreements with certain aspects of it, I found that most of the connections made sense and were presented in a clear and well-explained manner!
I have major problems with this theory assuming that Elizabeth did die first why would William have murder clowns if it’s the case that he saw the puppet being possessed then why would mm be called later that night and be raining like security puppet when it would make sense if Michael ran away and William is coming home from murdering charlie and the fact the only connection between couch guy and mike is that they watch tv the gray isn’t a connection because in the same game Charlie wears gray and that the fnaf 4 room makes sense if Michael was moved in there so he could not lock out William
That's the one piece I haven't worked out yet. I still think the couch potato is Michael, as he doesn't really try that hard to stop William from provoking the runaway. And I don't see how the FNAF 4 room makes sense; in my eyes it would have to be either a nightmare or an illusion---not a real bedroom.
@@bonswootch Personally, how i see it playing out timeline-wise: - William's an abusive father with a weak moral compass/somewhat Unstable, yet at the same time a genius who teamed up with Henry, working out of Fredbear's and an underground workshop/storage area. - CC dies first in 1983, when Michael shoves him into Fredbear's mouth, dying to the Hydraulics - William blames Henry for it, but Henry doesnt see it as his fault, just an Accident - Michael spirals in grief/mourning, becomes more of a "Problem", especially with William taking it out on him in part. Especially after he breaks out to go visit his brother/plead for forgiveness. - William asks Henry to babysit his son while he's at work. Henry, not feeling safe with leaving Charlie alone with only the busy staff and children to watch over her, creates the Puppet to make sure she stays out of trouble. - Security Puppet occurs, when he's pulling out, he spots her alone and isolated, he acts on his Intrusive Thoughts/impulse to "take revenge/eye for an eye" and kills her, dumping the body in the alleyway. - MM occurs, Michael runs away (again), the "Scarecrow" planted to keep him in check has been knocked down, and William vows to make him regret it when he returns. - The FFD bunker likely expands, making room for the gas (or Illusion Disc?) experimentation and subjecting Michael to it (possibly even building the FNAF 4 gameplay house to the "North" in MM's perspective). Both for testing AND to make his Bastard Son pay, possibly even whip him back in line... - Some time before, during, or after the testing begins, he notes the Puppet acting strange, and concludes that it's possessed, and that how she died might have caused it. - He begins drafting the Funtimes some time in 1984-1985, and causes the MCI. - The MCI location closes, he confirms that Remnant exists and his Hypothesis is correct, and he begins building the Funtimes, arranging for CBPW to open (and possibly another SL bunker expansion either here or when CBEAR is started). - 1986 rolls around, CBPW opens, and closes the same day due to Elizabeth's death, William shelves the Funtime Project for the time being, looking to use them later. - 1987, William's conditioned Michael enough to act as his "Puppet", while Michael potentially searches for proof of William killing(?), as he rolls over to 18. FNAF 2's events occur, the DCI *MAY* happen (wearing TOYSHNK this time, instead of Spring Bonnie), The Bite of 87 occurs, and Michael gets hired and fired in a single day. - Toys are scrapped, Withereds are Refurbished, and FNAF 1 occurs in 1993-ish, the location closing the end of that year. - 1994-ish, William goes into the FNAF 1 location, starts tearing down the animatronics, and harvesting the four's endos to repurpose for his Funtime Project. The Five corner him, herd him into the Spring Bonnie suit, and he dies before he can harvest/experiment further. - Some time 1994-2023, FNAF World and Happiest day COULD occur (if you believe the Souls were split between the shells/endos, and that CC was still hanging around in Gfreddy), Michael's nightmares of the Gas Experiments return, he goes to SL (which has been absorbed by FazEnt alongside Afton Robotics in general), gets scooped by Elizabeth (and getting concrete proof of his father's rampage in the process, of course), and starts hunting him after "putting her back together" and Five Becoming One. etc etc
I believe that what Crying Child saw were the nightmare animatronics, CC is a victim of the experiments with the nightmare animatronics. I believe this is the reason cc is afraid of animatronics. What cc saw was certainly not elizabeth's death, as elizabeth was a few weeks or a few months old when cc was bitten by fredbear
Speaking about the layout of the house in FNaF 4 gameplay - we can see this layout on the map is SL bunker, heavily implying that this was most likely the test-chamber that William used for testing illusion discs (or hallucinogenic gas) and maybe Michael was the one he tested them on? Thus having nightmares of his experience as a child later in life? He is portrayed as a child in FNaF 4 gameplay only because it's nightmares that reminds him of being a child
No, in the books it confirms that fnaf 4 was caused by William testing “nightmare gas” on children, Nightmare gas probably leaked into sister location because on the “gas leaks” picture, in the background , it says that people that were in circus baby’s pizza world saw weird things (probably because of the nightmare gas”
@ricklane7007 it's not me who make it confusing, it's writers and Scott who do so It's the way I like it, don't get me wrong, but the lore is complicated and Scott + Steal Wolf made it that way intentionally
to me, the bedroom in fnaf 4 resembles mostly the office from fnaf 1. thus, I would suggest, that Michael envisions a mix between his brother's bedroom and the office.
@@bonswootch I know, I might be bragging now, but: to me it was obvious from the get-go. two doors at each side you need to check and the same old mascots. and you can't leave your room. only difference: foxy's cabinet replaces the office desk and ventilator.
@@phoneguy4637 That's actually refreshing to hear lol. 😂 I mean Michael/the security guy is the only one who's experienced both the death of his brother and working at Freddy's. It kind of drives me insane that some people still insist CC dreamed up the first three games.
And I don't really this Elisabeth died before CC, judging by an empty room with mangle toy in FNaF 4 minigames she was younger than CC and Michael, possibly not even yet born by the events of 1983 (If I recall correctly, we can see a crib in that empty room) + for Elisabeth to die William needs to create fantime animatronics with the child-killing machinery -> meaning he needs a reason to kill children Before Charly's death, he really do not have a reson as he most likely get the idea of possetion only after he killed Charly and she possesed the pupet And it's implied in games that he kill her the same year he killed the MCI kids -> which led to the closer of Freddy Fazbear’s Pizza -> which then led to the "opening" of Curcus Baby Pizza World
I see this a lot---as far as I have seen, there is no crib in the FNAF 4 house. Possibly a common misconception. I do agree there is still the question of why William makes the Funtime animatronics so early; I've yet to answer that question. If you checkout my last theory on JR's, I talk about how the closing of Freddy Fazbear's Pizza led to the opening of Circus Baby's Entertainment and Rental---not Circus Baby's Pizza World. Check it out if you're interested, I think it clears some of those questions up.
Man, Midnight Motorist IS, in fact, the most debated minigame in the series now. I enjoy your points and the way you build the narrative, but I'm on the side that says that the runaway is Michael Afton, not the Crying Child. I mostly believe on it except when it comes to "that place" William mentions by the end. I can't think of other place (at least, already established in-universe and not "oh he goes to a bar, probably JR's, and William knows that" because we never saw Michael going there) than Sister Location, as you mention. However, as you also stated, that heavily goes against the _"I found it, it was right where you said it would be"_ quote by Michael, as he would already know that place and William being against Michael going there wouldn't make sense. Your take on the different houses, however, is something that I have nothing against and is actually the first time I saw someone came up with the different houses problem. The bullies being the ones who turned Michael into a bully is a reasonable argument that, even I not agreeing with him being the couch person, is well done. That said, I disagree with: -> "The FNaF 4 gameplay is closer to a perspective from someone of a length similar to The Crying Child's". Not really. He doesn't necessarily need to "imagine what the Crying Child went through", I believe that he is torturing himself every night because he feels extremely guilty of what he has done, but it doesn't necessarily means that he dreams that he is inside of the body of his younger brother. His three friends are there because he regrets that they once were friends, Foxy is an outlier because he regrets bullying his younger brother hiding in specific places. Nightmare Fredbear only appears in later nights because he spent more time with the other characters than shoving Crying Child's head into Fredbear, although Night 5 is solely dedicated to that animatronic and Night 6 has that neat detail of swapping the quartet to only Nightmare Fredbear. Also, to the argument that "he is too short to be Michael", Michael himself isn't that tall either, specially if the FNaF 4 gameplay takes not long after the Bite of 83. Regardless, this isn't something changes the overall story that much, if someone takes yours or mine path, they will end up in the same place either way, specially now with some theories saying that the FNaF 4 gameplay is an experiment William is doing with Michael using hallucinogenic gas and stuff. -> "The runaway is the Crying Child". I kinda doubt that a scared kid that can't stop crying and goes down for the slightest inconvenience would be an angry disobedient son that breaks his window and run from his parents home to the Sister Location bunker. Remember, this is before the Bite of 83', so he not only would have a huge change of mind in a short period of time, but the Sister Location technology would have to exist, not only on the same period, but prior to Fredbear's Family Dinner's springlock suits. Also, Elizabeth's death being before the Bite of 83 is not something I believe, neither heard actually. The main theory that the vast majority of people believe is that William Afton can't handle the death of his youngest son, so he tries to revive him, then he discovers "remnant" - which is somebody's soul attached to metal - and begins experimenting on other children, forcing Desk Man to make "the perfect animatronic to catch children", Baby. If Elizabeth dies before the bite victim, why would the Funtimes and Baby be designed to capture children in the first place? As for Elizabeth's absence in the FNaF 4 minigames: Game-wise Scott didn't plan her at the time and lore-wise she could be literally anywhere but at home. For example, she could study during the afternoon, while the bite victim would go to school during the morning or vice-versa. Or maybe the Crying Child wouldn't go to school at all because of his broken mental condition. Also, the _"Don't you remember what you saw?"_ line could be referring to the Purple Guy helping an employee to put a Spring Bonnie suit, which is backed up by _"What is seen in shadows is easily misunderstood in the mind of a child."_ . "But that moment you are referring happens after Psychic Friend Fredbear says such things", true, but the scene itself is an easter egg that you can very easily miss, as it is in a small gap after _"You can find help if you can get past them. You have to be strong."_ triggers but you can't go too far to the left or else the minigame will end. As such, I believe this moment is a type of "flashback", specially because, if it was happening in real time, the Crying Child would implode as soon as he would see that head popping out of the suit. -> "The 'He had a rough day.' quote's meaning". I don't think "He had a rough day" HAS to have a meaning. Since I believe the runaway is not the Crying Child, but rather Michael, the couch person could be anyone and it kinda wouldn't matter. It could be Ms. Afton, Henry, Desk Man, or whoever William let home to take care of Michael. "He has a rough day." is an argument that the couch person would think to convince William to not go disturb Michael. And technically every day in Michael's life would be rough, because he is abused by his father and tormented by the fact he killed is brother. -> "Michael despises his younger brother because he is the cause of William's anger". Once again, I don't believe the Crying Child was even alive in the first place when Elizabeth died, neither that Michael has some genuine evil feel against his brother. In my head-canon, he is simply a young teen that doesn't know better and thinks that bullying his own brother is fun, having a change of heart once his "pranks" go too far.
I'm glad you enjoyed the video! To clarify: - I was making the point that Michael's quote in Sister Location supports that the Afton's move. Michael is saying "...it was right where you said it would be," in reference to the entrance to the SL bunker being inside or near his old house. William informs Michael that the entrance is right inside of his old house (perhaps under the stairs or in a secret closet or whatever), and Michael finds it. I believe this quote supports that it's an old house because Michael seems to have some sort of knowledge of where he was as he followed William's directions effortlessly. So, if it was inside of his old house, he would know exactly where it is. - It seems like you agree with me on the FNAF 4 gameplay being Michael. However small of a detail, I will stand on the idea that Michael dreams that he is the CC, since he is clearly shorter than the height of his bedroom doorknob. Even if Michael is a short teenager, he would be 10+ years older in the FNAF 4 gameplay. - We don't necessarily know if the CC would frequently cry before FNAF 4. Perhaps in MM, he was a brave kid set on finding out what happened to his sister. Then, after the Afton's move and his father/brother start blaming him for everything, he becomes fragile and unconfident. I do agree that the Funtimes and Elizabeth's death before the CC's is something to think about, and I don't have a solid answer at the time. I am trying to figure that piece of the puzzle out. This is just speculation, but if Scott was planning to end the series after FNAF 4, why leave the door open for a younger sister who was simply out of the house? It seems like that goes nowhere, whereas if the room is empty because she died, it gives us some context to the way the characters act. - I see where you're coming from but consider this: if the couch potato was a parental figure or guardian like Ms. Afton, Henry, or any other caretaker, you'd think they would try harder to intervene between an angry William and his young son. But being Michael, depressed after Elizabeth's death, he would likely make an attempt to stop his father from abusing his brother, but realize his attempts might be futile. Although the animation isn't very detailed, the couch potato doesn't even look up from the TV to address his father, he just makes a sad attempt to stop his angry father. Plus, with William saying "Ran off to that place AGAIN," we know that the runaway is a flight risk. So, any caretaker would be more watchful than to let the CC shut his door and be alone. His brother, however, would not be responsible for watching the CC and would make it possible for him to slip away. - It seems like we disagree over MM so everything else is not aligning for us. In a future video I hope to do a better job of convincing you :) or maybe you will convince me. You do bring up good points, I hope I was able to clarify my position a bit!
So - one thing I noticed is that when Circus Baby counts down her seeing kids, she goes from 4 (Mr Afton and his three kids), 3 (mr afton walks away), 2 (Elizabeth and Crying child) then just Elizabeth so the crying child can see Elizabeth die so that’s why the nightmares have stomach mouths
That’s very interesting.. Only thing I’ll mention is that Circus Baby mentions being acutely aware of how many children in the room. So I think she is counting just children in this instance. I like your thinking!
I honestly think crying. hild died first and the thing he saw was charlies death. william prob killed her out jslausy and anger of henry being better at robotics and smarter
I think that michael is watching tv because he completed the job in sister location and the sister location is at the same time as mid night motorist and that’s how william tells him about it that is y there is a different house in the game that is the afton’s house and foot prints is from the animatronic from the fnaf 4 game and the crying child ran to the fanf 4 house because its giving a memory of his sister and gets trapped in it because of the animatronics and you can also see the room in sister location
Interesting theory! I like your break down and timeline placement as well as reasoning. I think the foxy is the closet as a metaphor for a skeleton in his closet type setup.
Hey buddy, just a problem. Nightmares are not imaginations. From what we know, Breaker Room map showed us, Plushtrap Hallway and FNaF 4 Bedroom with gray dots that represent Nightmare Animatronics. They we're real alongside the test rooms. About the test rooms, the latest book Dittophobia confirmed that the nightmare rooms were set underground with mannequins. But with the hallucinations caused by gas they looked scarier.
i don't think it makes sense for elizabeth to die before the crying child, and why would the crying child, that his reaction to fear is to curl up in a ball and cry smash the window, get outside to the animatronic that is looking through the window? I think it makes way more sense if later that night is either after the bite or after the crying child gets buried, and michael is the one to have a rough day having to deal with having killed his brother. That place could be the hospital where the crying child is or the burial memorial.
I think the CC is determined to find Elizabeth, who he last saw at CBPW. Perhaps in the rain, William moved the animatronic that he left outside as a "scarecrow", making it possible for the CC to get past. In your theory, who is the couch potato? I think it makes the most sense that the runaway and couch potato are William two kids.
hmmm pretty good theory Elizabeth is one of the candidates for what bv saw, however a few things i dont think align with it: -bv seems to be scared of the spring suits specifically (fredbear to be more specific) as fredbear plush says, you know what happens when "he" (likely fredbear) catches you -this relies on later sl evidence of Elizabeth's existence and demise, fnaf 4 was originally planned to be the final chapter, so what he saw being something that didn't release yet is kinda sus, i think itd have to be something he saw at the time of the release of games 1-4, hard to say if she actually is dead by the time of fnaf 4, or if what bv saw could've somehow changed in the context of sl -this relies on the funtimes being made super early, within a week after the mci under mci 83 or 2 years before mci 85, even predating charlie since the theory is mm-bvrunaway and it seems to tie in with security puppet, for most people, they'd assume william learns a bit of possession after a few murders before making the soul/kid harvesting robots (speculated to be for the purpose of remnant or haunted metal) (although it still could be the case that Elizabeth dies first, and the other funtimes were reused for remnant later on) -in the vid it said that bv's rough day was due to elizabeth dying that day, explaining why he runs off to circus baby's, but technically he ran off multiple times, likely more than a couple of nights or days so this rough day in particular might not be rough because of elizabeth's death (if it was and he has ran off multiple times, maybe some phrase like he had a rough week maybe, i dunno, but just semantics, he could've still ran to pizza world) -the animatronic mm footprints in most theories are tied to the location the runaway kid runs off to (ex: shadow freddy luring bv to freddy's, or fredbear possessed by bv luring mike to his grave or something, spring bonnie being used to scare bv from going freddy's) but hard to say what left those footprints and why under this theory since definitely not baby's and with elizabeth being first to die and recently charlie in mm there's very few candidates for the three toed footprints, bv could still run off the pizza world but hard to tie in the theory with the animatronic footprints -hard to say if he saw what he saw at the time of mm, since what he saw gives him the courage to run off it feels sussy for it to scare him so much at the same time that he'd hide under tables from fredbear, this might mean that what he saw was after mm instead, that then scared him from the golden suits and location -it would be strange for bv to revist pizza world/run off multiple times because after the first time revisiting pizza world it would empty with nothing inside and everything moved by tons of cars (described by the cancelled teaser) into the bunker where we see the rentals at, all moved away the day right after elizabeth dies, unless he revisited pizza world often before elizabeth dies and goes there to escape william -there's the "what is seen in the shadows is easily misunderstood in the mind of a child" which may imply what he saw wasn't what he thinks it is, as well it might've been somewhere shrouded in shadows, unlike pizza world which seems to be very sunny
- I think that what the story was back when FNAF 4 was the last game versus now is completely different. I believe that dream theory was absolutely canon at one point, and now all of the pieces of the story are being reshuffled into a new story. So, while maybe what the CC saw was originally different, now I believe it had something to do with Elizabeth. - I agree that with Elizabeth dying first we have to ask ourselves, why did Circus Baby exist? I hope to have an explanation for this in a later video. - I think the CC absolutely ran off multiple times. This day could be rough because William got mad at him for running off the night before, making him sad because his father came down on him. - The footprints are something I'm still looking into. Since we know in SL they mention a springlock suit that was never used how it was meant to be used, perhaps William used that suit as a "scarecrow" outside of the CC window after CBPW was cancelled. - I think the CC was confused. He knows that the last place he saw Elizabeth was at CBPW, so even after it's closed and empty, he's still hoping to find her somewhere inside. - I think that line mainly refers to dream theory. I believe before Scott was worried it would be ill received, dream theory was canon and that's what his post refers to. The quote, however, is not canon since it was just a nod by Scott posted to his website, so its meaning can be changed. I don't think that quote applies anymore.
10:07 Omfg... Michael was a good brother that protected his brother before hanging out with the wrong crowd, started bullying his brother, ending in killing his younger brother... That's just, that makes this whole thing sadder, explaining the earlier moment where he said to William _"He had a rough day"_
I don’t think Midnight Motorist portrays the Afton family. People say that since the car is purple it must be Afton, but brush the fact that the person is orange to the side? You can’t use the colour of something as definitive evidence if you ignore the colour of another thing when it contradicts your theory. I think this is something the FNAF community has got wrong.
a person whose car is purple may suggest they are william, however william being depicted as mustard isn't necessarily a contradiction, he could just be represented by another color for a symbolic reason like being related to fredbear plush's dialogue color somehow or just for the sake of obscuring the identity, or just a brand new color to add along to with purple and pink i think its fine to let the orange color slide personally although the bright colors of purple, pink, mustard, or green might not be how people look like in real life, the color of the car and rain seem to be real/realistic and seem to connect with security puppet, having mm follow later that night, if there is a mistake here, id say its pretty understandable why a lot of people would think mustard man is william given those connections, perhaps maybe a red herring on scott's end, but then again i guess it could work both ways since orange could also be a red herring and taking the orange but not the car color, rain, and later that night be brushed off to the side is i feel just as equally sus in my opinion but i dunno
@@gdeveloper3309no it’s a contradiction, yellow isn’t even close to stuff like pink or purple are, and including a car but not the fucking person should be considered a contradiction
And while on topic on stuff community has got wrong, Crying Child wouldn’t be able to see Elizabeth get killed because baby saw one kid and I doubt he could hide from technology like baby and even if he was there and just left the room for a bit he wouldn’t know she died and “wouldn’t hear it over their own excitement”
For me, color was one piece of evidence. The rest of the pieces came together after that. We know that the orange guy goes home to two people, one definitively being male. Assuming the couch potato is also male, this fits the description of the Afton's: William goes home to his two sons. The orange guy also drives a purple car in the rain, the same color of car that William drove in another minigame set in the rain, and with the source code referring to this minigame as "Later that night," the pieces fit together quite well. We can bring up other theories, but this is the one that makes the most sense to me.
This theory is very off at some points. Why would the fun times have the ability to capture kids before the the bite of 83 and why would William even built the fun times before discovering remnant? This theory doesn’t make that much sense?
Well, since the FNAF 1 player is likely Michael, and one of the FNAF 1 phone calls plays in FNAF 4, the player would have to have heard it before. My last theory on JR's goes into this a bit more.
Going by the logic of the fnaf movie, I will have to assume that Elizabeth comes years after the crying child's death. When Michael is an adult looking after his younger sister.
@@bonswootchmost likely since Michael should recognise William if Elizabeth is still alive since Williams appearance only changed after the MCI since he starts dismantling animatronics while Michael is working there after so it doesn't make sense why Michael doesn't call William in the trailer by anything related to him
I have to say that this is an intersting point of view. However i have to disagree with one part and that is the Midnight motorist. While the Elizabeth seems as the only solution if it show Aftons. The major problem comes with timing. If Circus babys pizza world opened before Fnaf 4 there is a question: Why? Why was CBPZ opened? To harvest remnant so Afton could experiment with it. This is a problem because Afton at this point in timeline doesn't know remnant exist. No kids are possesed until CC posseses Fredbear(or Charlie puppet depending on what you believe). How could Afton harvest remnant if he doesn't know it exist. I personally believe that Afton started with good intentions but went crazy after Bite of 83 but thats just theory.
The way you explain makes so much sense, I have been a fan of fnaf for 10 years already and I didn't understand much about it back then but now I do, thanks for sharing the information.
I always like to imagine that the nightmares were inspired by the bullies that they encouraged the nightmares.also FNAF 4 is the game that doesnt really get a lot of attention despite that is my favorite game of the series always like to see more theories about it. Thank you. Have a nice day.
I thought the timeline for FNAF games was: FNAF 4 FNAF Sister Location FNAF 1 FNAF 2 FNAF 3 FNAF Pizzeria Simulator Why are you saying that the events of FNAF 1 took place before FNAF 4? What suggests this? Is it because in FNAF 4 you can hear the phone guy from 1? If so, i don't think you should be taking something Scott added as a quirky detail as concrete evidence with deep lore implications.
First off, FNAF 2 comes before FNAF 1 since Phone Guy is still alive in 2 but dies in 1. Now for 4, if you disregard the phone call evidence that makes FNAF 4 after FNAF 1, what evidence is there that says it comes before 1? We know that the minigames from 4 occur before 1 but what about the gameplay? I’m curious as to your take on this!
Perhaps. Although I consider that quote from Scott to be in reference to dream theory, which we know is not currently canon. Nowadays, I'm not sure if that post is still relevant. I think it was used to urge MatPat to figure out dream theory and now that dream theory is not canon, it is probably not a canon piece of evidence. That is my take at least.
I tried to support all of my assumptions with evidence, and only base my assumptions based off of things we already know about the lore. What did I get wrong?
I've thought of this as well. Especially since Henry says he created Baby at some point, I assume he meant that William used his work for the child-detecting AI the security puppet had.
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I really don't think Crying Child is the runaway, first of all, not really characteristic for him and his personality (as well as Michael noy having even remotely the same personality, if the person on the couch is Michael), even if we try to jistify their personality change by the trauma and William's anger, that's just not convincing Lately, some people have connected one of the stories in, I think it was Fazbear Frights book? So, either it's Michael who ran away or its a whole different family.ily all together
What does Michael being the runaway tell us about the story? With the CC, it furthers the story and adds context to other moments in the lore. I'm failing to understand how Michael being the runaway furthers our understanding of the ongoing story.
Yes, he is usually purple. However, there is far more evidence that they are the same person than to say they aren't. For example: the yellow guy drives the same color/type of car as purple guy in Take Cake to the Children, and those two minigames are implied to take place mere hours from one another. So, putting the color differences aside, it is very likely that the yellow guy is William Afton.
I see no way the tv person could be Michael. No one would demand anything of an abusive parent. It has to be a peer, someone with equal power to the yellow guy.
I see things differently. The couch potato is clearly depressed, he doesn't even look up from the TV when talking to the yellow guy. I believe that if it was a caretaker or guardian for the runaway that they would make more of an effort to stop William from antagonizing him. Michael would know that he has little effect on what William does and would only make a poor attempt at dissuading him. This is why I don't believe the couch potato is a babysitting or guardian.
But fnaf 4 isn’t a real house, it isn’t a dream either, the newest fnaf books confirm that fnaf 4 is a game about “nightmare gas” And the “house” isn’t actually a house, it’s a testing room with fake “mannequin like” figures just moving on tracks.
it could be like that for rory's testing facility but rory and mike probably lived in different houses since they would've ran into each other for the 10 years rory was at the testing facility the nightmare gas would probably make it real and not a dream, but mike would probably hallucinate seeing them in those nightmare forms for some ptsd reason about remembering what happened to bv i think the house mike lives at/has nightmares at is probably real though since he's able to leave it to work at fnaf 1 and leave it to work in sl, unlike rory whos trapped in his house
Well, I don't necessarily believe the books are 1:1 with the games. However, I don't disagree that nightmare gas could possibly be an explanation for FNAF 4.
@@bonswootchRegardless if they are in the same Timeline, Dittophobia and Sister Location confirm what the areas of the FNAF 4 gameplay are testing rooms run by Afton.
wsg. Great theory video, it was explained well and quite easy to understand. although I don't completely agree with some parts of it. Let me explain. Outside the house in midnight motorist, there is animatronic footprints. now this part might be a stretch but when you look at the window that's broken, I don't see any glass shards on the floor, which presents that someone or something broke into the building/house. My theory is that this family that we see is not the Afton's. Some people refer to orange guy as William, commonly because the car is purple, but this could just be a coincidence (not saying it definitely is). I think this family is either the family of henry Emily or just a family of one of the kids that William murdered. This can be backed up by the animatronic footprints I mentioned before that I think is the footprints of William Afton in his murder suit aka the spring lock suit he uses to lure kids to where he wants them. I'm not sure if anything here made sense or not, it could be a bit of a stretch however I would love to see a video of you elaborating on this theory, I've subscribed, let me know if you end up creating one. Thanks for reading this far :D
i dont think its william wearing a springlock suit because it is a rainy night. we know that water is a big factor that results in a springlock failure
Thanks so much for the support! I like your theory, but just to play devil's advocate: would William be wearing his springlock suit in heavy rain? We know that springlock failures are caused by moisture so it seems like William would know better than to wear his out on a night like this. The glass forensics is a smart catch! I'm not sure what that would mean for my theory, but I will consider it!
@@bonswootch I do see how this could prevent my theory, however as @sunnyisabunny1479 stated, this event could had taken place hours before rain, and i have thought about the footprints washing away, but then that still doesn't eliminate the possibility that this is william. I think that the "kidnapping" (or so i name it) happened some time before the rain. We also know that scott loves to throw in details in his game to further prevent the community from figuring out the story, this could be one of them. Now this is prolly all wring but its just a shot in the dark, trying to see if it sparks something actually worth talking about. But for now this is all i have got, ive been wanting to put some more effort into this threory however, see if i could find a way for it to work. If you can figure something out let me know, ill be the first to watch a video on it :D peace
Unrelated but I absolutely love those Lego Batman stuff you have in your background and the dark knight stuff! Also this was a great video and great editing too!
Isn't it much more likely that "he hates you" refers to Mike? He's the one that usually pops up just before CC collapses crying on the ground. But the shakiest part is midnight motorist. There's just so little that makes sense as this being the Aftons. None of the characters act according to their established personalities. We know Mike as the one who bullies his brother while there's nothing to suggest William does, or that Mike would defend him. CC doesn't seem like the type to break his window to run out into the dark. If you were inside, wouldn't you just open it? Why would Scott randomly make William orange in this one instance? It's not because he isn't in the shadows, considering this takes place outside in the rain in the middle of the night. Meanwhile we know William was using a mascot suit to kidnap children and the minigames it's grouped with are of the MCI victims. Scott's hint for FNAF4 was also "What is seen in shadows is easily misunderstood in the mind of a child." If CC saw his sister eaten by a robot, he'd have the absolutely correct reaction.
ngl i never belived this even after i was an mci 83er, idk just i think if cc saw lizzie in the process of being scooped baby would just stop the scooping process, i belive bv either saw cassidy, charlie, or the stage 01 kid (possibly andrew?)s death, MAYBE a springlock failure
So is the order of the deaths: Charlie, Elizabeth, then CC? Because if CC died in Fredbear’s Family Diner to Golden Freddy and that was the first location, then the Puppet also had to have been at Fredbear’s OR another location had to have been open at the same time where the Puppet was for Charlie to die there and get possessed by the puppet. Either way, Charlie has to die before Elizabeth because it wouldn’t make sense for William to make Baby and the other Funtimes unless he knew about Remnant and the Puppet was the one who gave the original MCI kids life. I used to think CC’s death had to be first because it gave William a motive to kill Charlie, but he could’ve killed Charlie just because he was jealous of Henry rather than he was grieving CC. Basically my question is- do we know where Charlie died? Because that’s the key to understanding who died, in what order.
As much as i would like for this theory to be true, it unfortunately is not. The murder weapon doesn't fit the time. Theres no reason for William to be making child kidnapping robots to experiment on remnant. So the Crying child would not have seen his sister get grabbed
Alright everyone is missing that the MCI totally happened in 83 i swear man. Its either that or some weird stuff has to happen that we don’t know yet. 1. Remember what you saw” - The crying child saw something, and the idea that it was just a misunderstanding is unsatisfying to me for several reasons. a. It is william who is telling the crying child to remember what he saw. Why would William want to scare his children away from the pizzeria before he’s killed anyone? b. The green eyed girl directly states what happened to the MCI kids, almost as though by the time of the Fnaf 4 minigames, the children had already been stuffed and rumors about them have already gotten out. c. “Do you miss them” is spoken by cassidy to the crying child, heavily implying that he was friends with the missing children. Not to mention the lines of “these are my friends” and “we are still your friends” from fnaf 4. All these lines go a long to make it seem like the CC KNEW the MCI kids and that they are dead by the time of fnaf 4. 2. MM. a. The grave outside the house shows that someone has to be dead before charlie, but it can’t be the CC if he hasn’t seen anything because then the fnaf 4 lines don’t make sense. b. Jrs doesnt let william in which is the only time anyone is turned away from any building besides in fnaf 2 when they suspect a previous employee of committing the MCI. 3. The security puppet. The puppet in its minigame seems specifically designed to keep charlie safe. This makes the most sense if Henry suspected william of something and designed the puppet to keep his kid safe. Even if its not designed specifically for charlie, why would the puppet be stopping kids from reaching the exit when supposedly the only dead kid is the CC, who died inside as a result of a prank. 4. “I was the first" repeated over and over again, it seems odd that this line is repeated if in reality Charlie is the first victim. If the MCI is first in the timeline, then this line makes a lot more sense.
Anyone have compared this 8 bit game map of fnaf 4, specially outdoors, with sister location? As a metaphore... since it has the girl that looks like baby....
I think you have a good grasp on everything, you're explanation about everything makes really good narrative sense, except for Elizabeth's death. The moving, Michael being a good brother and only bullying CC after making bad friends, and your explanation of FNAF 4 all really work I just think Elizabeth's death cannot have happened that early in the timeline. Without the bite or Charlie possessing The Puppet, why would William make the Funtimes? I mean we can always just go with the fact that he's just insane and was always evil but it seems like that's not the case in the story we are being presented. Maybe the CC was just an extremely sensitive kid, I mean it makes sense that given the time period this takes place in if the CC was seen as soft it may not be good for him so he could still cry a lot and have self-esteem issues, idk how much merit that has but it's a thought.
You make a good point. At the moment, I don't have an explanation for why William built the Funtime animatronics. We do know that he's sort of shameless and naive as in the opening to SL, after being asked about his design choices he references Circus Baby's ability to sing and dance rather than her storage tank and scooper which were likely the reason for the interrogation. This is something I hope to elaborate on in further videos. Good observation!
@bonswootch I think I might have an answer as to why the funtimes come so early in the timeline. We know Elizabeth died to Circus Baby, but Circus Baby shouldn't exist without William having killed someone first. Well, that's because he did kill someone else first: Charlie. We know from her gravestone that Charlie died in 1983, but it was never specified whether she died before or after C.C. . If Charlie dies first, that means that the Afton kids can both still die in 1983 while justifying the existence of the Funtimes so early in the timeline. With the information, this means that in 1983, William murdered Charlie, whether it be a drunken act of violence or a play against Henry, it doesn't matter. Then, William builds the Funtimes, Elizabeth gets scooped, then C.C. gets chomped. Man, 1983 was a rough year. Makes it crazier when you remember this all happened in Utah lol.
I still dont get it, why would he be trying to kill kids if he doesnt have a reason to? I feel like he wouldve been trying to make the killer animatronics after the crying childs death because hes trying to figure out what happened to him, not just because hes in a silly goofy mood.
I plan to look into this.. I haven't heard this theory, and it sounds like it is less probable than the CC being the runaway, but I am interested to see what evidence there is for this.
idk tho i still think it can't be micheal in fnaf 4 not untill a specific night or something especially when we've been told by official media that it wasn't micheal unless you wanna make the argument that micheal is cc or something but yeah it really can't be micheal the height and age wise yeah ig it could be him a but hey would be way to old unless the doors are just really that tall it just doesn't make much sense however i will say something to think about is maybe fnaf 4 in help wanted could be a prospective of micheal after all we do see and play as Gabriel in a way since we play as him getting lured to the back room where he get's stuffed into freddy in that one ending so aside from height who's to say we don't play as Michael in that version of fnaf 4 yk? just a thought
I believe that the one who broke the window could be michael because he might have done that after the bite of 83 because of the guilt of accidently ending his little brothers life plus how would evan be strong enough to break the window but Michael is a teenager and he can be strong enough to break the window and the person watching the tv could be his mother but you do have good points but this is just my theory
So after the circus baby incident he started having these nightmares and he started crying and since he’s keep going there non stop they moved that must be the reason the lay is different
I always thought the crying childs room was broken into by an animatronic based off of the footprint and the shattered window glass being on the inside of the house and not the outside
@@oriegasnem okay I just did some research and the missing children happened in 85 just like you said but I think William afton killed those kids because of the bite that will explain alot but there's still more theories
@@oriegasnem the missing children were infact before the events of fnaf 4 probably like in 1980 or 1981 also why do you think the children went missing in 1985?
I think it's being literal. When we begin he is already crying under the table. I believe he just saw the animatronics shadows or the animatronics themselves and ran and hid under the table prior to where we pick up.
I see what you're saying. What is interesting to me is that the Fredbear plushie says "He knows you hate it here," when referring to Fredbear's. So, what makes the CC hate Fredbear's even though he carries around his Freddy's plushies? At the end of the game the 4 Freddy's plushies say "We are still your friends," making it seem like the CC was close with them. So why does he hate Fredbear's? Something to ponder..
N-No...the timeline would be fucked if it takes place after Fnaf 1 since theres no reason to be interpret it taking place during that time. Because its perfectly safe to assume that it all happened at the very beginning. But the game is just that - flashbacks, recalling of events. You can put it in any timeline and said "This is Michael's memory" which served zero purpose in placing it after fnaf 1.
im confuzzled thou by this comment, doesn't phone guy's lines place the nightmare gameplay after 1993? its a pretty good reason, as well the nightmare gameplay with 2 doors on each side and the classic 5 animatronics are just like fnaf 1, as if mike was dreaming fnaf 1 in a nightmarish way i think its important to know when these nightmares are and that its micheal dreaming them, since bv died in 83
@@gdeveloper3309 Phone Guy comments never mentioned anything about Nightmare animatronics and the sister location it referenced the OTHER sister location, not the one in fnaf 4. Theres multiple other sister locations such as Fnaf 1’s location. So no. You’re overthinking about something thats barely relevant. Yes maybe he probably dresmt it all, but that doesnt correlate to any of the timeline. Its a past that is heavily implied to take place around the same time the proto animatronic suits were built. All im saying is if you plug fnaf 4 after fnaf 1 you still get a load of nothing that barely answers anything other than “Well, what happened before fnaf 1 then? Why is Michael sleeping during the job. Why would he have nightmares as a living corpse?”. You’re raising more questions than solving any answers
I placed FNAF 4's gameplay after FNAF 1 because you can hear one of the FNAF 1 phone calls in FNAF 4. That means that the player would have to have heard it prior, making FNAF 4 take place as soon as the day after that phone call was played, but not before.
You’re only 3 away, so I’m just gonna say this now - congratulations on 1,000 subscribers! I’ve just binge watched all your theories and they’re so entertaining! Here’s hoping that you only continue to grow from here, and I’m looking forward to more content from you in the future! Congrats again 😊🎉
the grey person in front of the TV isnt mike? right? yes sure they are both grey but they are both a different shade of grey. they dont have the same hexcodes. i remember seeing a vid that speculated that the grey is will and orange is their mom
There are many theories out there, I like listening to all of them. I still believe the couch potato is Michael for the reasons of him watching TV like in SL, his color, and the fact that it makes sense for William's house to be occupied by his two sons. As for the hexcode, the purple guy has a different hex code almost every time we see him. I don't find hexcodes to be that damning in terms of evidence.
Michael has to be at least 18 by 1993 in order to work at Freddy's, since legally in the United States, a Security Guard job requires being a legal adult.
New favourite lore channel, I'm subscribing! Sometimes I'm ashamed that I like fnaf lore, I'm just scared to play the game myself, I'm 16 at the time of writing this comment. When I was younger, somebody showed me fnaf 3 springtrap jumpscare and ever since then I avoided horror.
One thing about the start of the video, mainly the reversed Phone Guy ambiance. I don't think that it is relevant to the lore. Even all the way back when FNAF 4 first released, you could still just call it an Easter egg, and not a lore bit. It is literally a garbled reused asset put into the ambiance of the game. Compared to other lore sources, it doesn't seem as solid. And that's not even mentioning that even *if* the noise is lore-relevant, it may not be related to the -current- lore. Since Scott was (probably) originally making the series into "it was all a dream" (or Dream Theory), but then after Fnaf 4 deciding that the fans wouldn't like it, and changed the lore. If the Phone Guy easter egg is lore-relevant, it might have been originally connecting to the "it was all a dream" narrative, rather than the current narrative
I see what you're saying, and I agree that originally dream theory was canon. However, I am still trying to make sense of the story as a whole since Scott only really admits to making one retcon, which makes me believe that although their meanings may have changed, all of the original exposition is still exposition in some way.
@@bonswootch about the "only 1 retcon" post from Scott, there are two points that most people don't talk about. 1.) The post was made before Fnaf 6, so that game and any made after that can have retcons. 2.) What does Scott classify as a retcon? Does he view it as any change from the story of the game originally had, which recontextualizes parts from previous games? Or does he classify it as a new piece of info that directly contradicts info/lore from a previous game. Because if it is the 1st definition, then he would have made quite a few retcons, since he was making the story along as he goes. Stuff like Remnant and the springlocks especially were not thought of originally
This was everything I thought for the last two years, since I got into fnaf. Thank you.
Thank you! I'm glad you agree :) Hopefully my future theories do the same!
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Great theory! I haven't heard this interpretation before to explain the layouts of the afton family.
Although I'm still not convinced Elizabeth's death happens before CC's, the existence of the funtimes so early in the timeline is bothersome. I personally think CC is the first death of the series, after all it gives William the motivation to kill Charlie, to do the MKI and to create the funtimes.
Also, I would be a bit more cautious using the "one retcon" argument when encountering a discrepancy in a theory, it can truly be used to justify anything
Thank you! I can't disagree with your points---they are important. I do believe my theory makes a lot of sense but there is still the question of why do the Funtimes exist. I hope to be able to explain this in a future video!
Brooo you deserve a lot more views and subscribers!
:D Thank you so much! It's great to have people like you behind me, running the channel with me!
Wasn't it kind of already proven that the fnaf 4 house is a secret underground chamber with hallucination gas?
it could be like that for rory's testing facility but rory and mike probably lived in different houses since they would've ran into each other for the 10 years rory was at the testing facility
the nightmare gas would probably make it real and not a dream, but mike would probably hallucinate seeing them in those nightmare forms for some ptsd reason about remembering what happened to bv
i think the house mike lives at/has nightmares at is probably real though since he's able to leave it to work at fnaf 1 and leave it to work in sl, unlike rory whos trapped in his house
It’s shitty storytelling so no not to many
It is interesting that the layout for the FNAF 4 house is seen in SL. That I have not fit into my theory yet and it does have potentially huge implications. I'm not a big believer in the books, but it does seem like they are hinting at FNAF 4 being a fear gas experiment.
This is something I have yet to work into my theory. As much as I wish fear gas wasn't canon, I cannot rule it out yet..
@@bonswootch unfortunately in recent times, there's been far more useful lore material told in the books (side material) than in the actual mainline games. Now also applying to early FNAF.
I just have to personally disagree with that midnight motorist interpretation. I don’t think there’s any feasible way Elizabeth dies before CC. What reason would William have to literally make murder robots before his son dies, or even Charlie dies? As well, in Sister Location, hand unit makes a reference that states that “after the unfortunate closing of Freddy Fazbear’s Pizza, it’s clear the stage was set for a new contender in children’s entertainment” , implying that Circus Baby’s had to of opened at least after the very first Freddy’s closed due to the MCI, which obviously comes AFTER CC dies.
I agree that the reason behind the Funtimes' creation is questionable. However, in my previous theory on JR's, I went into the idea that the "new contender in children's entertainment" is referring to Circus Baby's Entertainment and Rental, not Circus Baby's Pizza World, as in the same line of dialogue Handunit refers to this contender as being a venue that rents out animatronics. That would be CBER not CBPW.
But aren't the funtime animtonics made out of remnant that he got from the MCI
in the insanity fnaf 6 ending henry says a wound first inflicted on me he killed charlie before evreythign
@@alixrobinson8025 >But aren't the funtime animtonics made out of remnant that he got from the MCI
They were made later, and injected with MCI Remnant, otherwise Elizabeth's death in '86 wouldnt work as Funtimes wouldnt exist at all.
@@ChristianLussow Henry definitely has a bit of... Flawed Narrator going on.
He thinks Fire destroys Remnant, when the only evidence is a single blueprint "Maybe possibly getting too hot destroys it?". Confident enough that he makes a plan with no failsafe incase it doesnt work (and it did fail).
He believes that Michael MUST want to burn with everyone else, despite never talking to him it seems, and likely not talking to him much if at all since 1983-1985 (a whopping near 40 year timegap). Though we know from AR that Michael either escaped before the fire got him, or he simply burned then walked out after.
And, from his perspective, William likely *did* strike first, yet how would William view it? Would he agree he struck first with Charlie, or would he say Henry did with CC? With *his* robot killing William's son, with Michael's aid?
hey man! this was an interesting video, and you presented the theory very effectively! while I may have some disagreements with certain aspects of it, I found that most of the connections made sense and were presented in a clear and well-explained manner!
Thank you so much! I'm glad you enjoyed it! :D
I have major problems with this theory assuming that Elizabeth did die first why would William have murder clowns if it’s the case that he saw the puppet being possessed then why would mm be called later that night and be raining like security puppet when it would make sense if Michael ran away and William is coming home from murdering charlie and the fact the only connection between couch guy and mike is that they watch tv the gray isn’t a connection because in the same game Charlie wears gray and that the fnaf 4 room makes sense if Michael was moved in there so he could not lock out William
Exactly, Elizabeth dying does not make any sense because William shouldn't have had a motive for killing yet. Even Matpat said so.
That's the one piece I haven't worked out yet. I still think the couch potato is Michael, as he doesn't really try that hard to stop William from provoking the runaway. And I don't see how the FNAF 4 room makes sense; in my eyes it would have to be either a nightmare or an illusion---not a real bedroom.
@@bonswootch I don't think the couch potato is Michael though, it might be Ms. Afton instead.
@@bonswootch i would recomend sire squaks he i think has nailed mm
@@bonswootch Personally, how i see it playing out timeline-wise:
- William's an abusive father with a weak moral compass/somewhat Unstable, yet at the same time a genius who teamed up with Henry, working out of Fredbear's and an underground workshop/storage area.
- CC dies first in 1983, when Michael shoves him into Fredbear's mouth, dying to the Hydraulics
- William blames Henry for it, but Henry doesnt see it as his fault, just an Accident
- Michael spirals in grief/mourning, becomes more of a "Problem", especially with William taking it out on him in part. Especially after he breaks out to go visit his brother/plead for forgiveness.
- William asks Henry to babysit his son while he's at work. Henry, not feeling safe with leaving Charlie alone with only the busy staff and children to watch over her, creates the Puppet to make sure she stays out of trouble.
- Security Puppet occurs, when he's pulling out, he spots her alone and isolated, he acts on his Intrusive Thoughts/impulse to "take revenge/eye for an eye" and kills her, dumping the body in the alleyway.
- MM occurs, Michael runs away (again), the "Scarecrow" planted to keep him in check has been knocked down, and William vows to make him regret it when he returns.
- The FFD bunker likely expands, making room for the gas (or Illusion Disc?) experimentation and subjecting Michael to it (possibly even building the FNAF 4 gameplay house to the "North" in MM's perspective). Both for testing AND to make his Bastard Son pay, possibly even whip him back in line...
- Some time before, during, or after the testing begins, he notes the Puppet acting strange, and concludes that it's possessed, and that how she died might have caused it.
- He begins drafting the Funtimes some time in 1984-1985, and causes the MCI.
- The MCI location closes, he confirms that Remnant exists and his Hypothesis is correct, and he begins building the Funtimes, arranging for CBPW to open (and possibly another SL bunker expansion either here or when CBEAR is started).
- 1986 rolls around, CBPW opens, and closes the same day due to Elizabeth's death, William shelves the Funtime Project for the time being, looking to use them later.
- 1987, William's conditioned Michael enough to act as his "Puppet", while Michael potentially searches for proof of William killing(?), as he rolls over to 18. FNAF 2's events occur, the DCI *MAY* happen (wearing TOYSHNK this time, instead of Spring Bonnie), The Bite of 87 occurs, and Michael gets hired and fired in a single day.
- Toys are scrapped, Withereds are Refurbished, and FNAF 1 occurs in 1993-ish, the location closing the end of that year.
- 1994-ish, William goes into the FNAF 1 location, starts tearing down the animatronics, and harvesting the four's endos to repurpose for his Funtime Project. The Five corner him, herd him into the Spring Bonnie suit, and he dies before he can harvest/experiment further.
- Some time 1994-2023, FNAF World and Happiest day COULD occur (if you believe the Souls were split between the shells/endos, and that CC was still hanging around in Gfreddy), Michael's nightmares of the Gas Experiments return, he goes to SL (which has been absorbed by FazEnt alongside Afton Robotics in general), gets scooped by Elizabeth (and getting concrete proof of his father's rampage in the process, of course), and starts hunting him after "putting her back together" and Five Becoming One.
etc etc
I believe that what Crying Child saw were the nightmare animatronics, CC is a victim of the experiments with the nightmare animatronics. I believe this is the reason cc is afraid of animatronics.
What cc saw was certainly not elizabeth's death, as elizabeth was a few weeks or a few months old when cc was bitten by fredbear
I think that he saw someone helping another person into the Fredbear costume, and mistook it for someone being stuffed into a suit.
Speaking about the layout of the house in FNaF 4 gameplay - we can see this layout on the map is SL bunker, heavily implying that this was most likely the test-chamber that William used for testing illusion discs (or hallucinogenic gas) and maybe Michael was the one he tested them on? Thus having nightmares of his experience as a child later in life?
He is portrayed as a child in FNaF 4 gameplay only because it's nightmares that reminds him of being a child
No, in the books it confirms that fnaf 4 was caused by William testing “nightmare gas” on children, Nightmare gas probably leaked into sister location because on the “gas leaks” picture, in the background , it says that people that were in circus baby’s pizza world saw weird things (probably because of the nightmare gas”
I don't think that the books are canon tho..
Jesus. Y'all make the lore more confusing.
@@Randombandito16 well, tales from the pizzaplex are most likely canon
@ricklane7007 it's not me who make it confusing, it's writers and Scott who do so
It's the way I like it, don't get me wrong, but the lore is complicated and Scott + Steal Wolf made it that way intentionally
to me, the bedroom in fnaf 4 resembles mostly the office from fnaf 1. thus, I would suggest, that Michael envisions a mix between his brother's bedroom and the office.
This is a clever take. I hadn't thought of that. Good point!
@@bonswootch I know, I might be bragging now, but: to me it was obvious from the get-go. two doors at each side you need to check and the same old mascots. and you can't leave your room. only difference: foxy's cabinet replaces the office desk and ventilator.
@@phoneguy4637 That's actually refreshing to hear lol. 😂 I mean Michael/the security guy is the only one who's experienced both the death of his brother and working at Freddy's. It kind of drives me insane that some people still insist CC dreamed up the first three games.
And I don't really this Elisabeth died before CC, judging by an empty room with mangle toy in FNaF 4 minigames she was younger than CC and Michael, possibly not even yet born by the events of 1983 (If I recall correctly, we can see a crib in that empty room)
+ for Elisabeth to die William needs to create fantime animatronics with the child-killing machinery -> meaning he needs a reason to kill children
Before Charly's death, he really do not have a reson as he most likely get the idea of possetion only after he killed Charly and she possesed the pupet
And it's implied in games that he kill her the same year he killed the MCI kids -> which led to the closer of Freddy Fazbear’s Pizza -> which then led to the "opening" of Curcus Baby Pizza World
I see this a lot---as far as I have seen, there is no crib in the FNAF 4 house. Possibly a common misconception. I do agree there is still the question of why William makes the Funtime animatronics so early; I've yet to answer that question. If you checkout my last theory on JR's, I talk about how the closing of Freddy Fazbear's Pizza led to the opening of Circus Baby's Entertainment and Rental---not Circus Baby's Pizza World. Check it out if you're interested, I think it clears some of those questions up.
Man, Midnight Motorist IS, in fact, the most debated minigame in the series now. I enjoy your points and the way you build the narrative, but I'm on the side that says that the runaway is Michael Afton, not the Crying Child. I mostly believe on it except when it comes to "that place" William mentions by the end. I can't think of other place (at least, already established in-universe and not "oh he goes to a bar, probably JR's, and William knows that" because we never saw Michael going there) than Sister Location, as you mention. However, as you also stated, that heavily goes against the _"I found it, it was right where you said it would be"_ quote by Michael, as he would already know that place and William being against Michael going there wouldn't make sense.
Your take on the different houses, however, is something that I have nothing against and is actually the first time I saw someone came up with the different houses problem. The bullies being the ones who turned Michael into a bully is a reasonable argument that, even I not agreeing with him being the couch person, is well done.
That said, I disagree with:
-> "The FNaF 4 gameplay is closer to a perspective from someone of a length similar to The Crying Child's". Not really. He doesn't necessarily need to "imagine what the Crying Child went through", I believe that he is torturing himself every night because he feels extremely guilty of what he has done, but it doesn't necessarily means that he dreams that he is inside of the body of his younger brother. His three friends are there because he regrets that they once were friends, Foxy is an outlier because he regrets bullying his younger brother hiding in specific places. Nightmare Fredbear only appears in later nights because he spent more time with the other characters than shoving Crying Child's head into Fredbear, although Night 5 is solely dedicated to that animatronic and Night 6 has that neat detail of swapping the quartet to only Nightmare Fredbear. Also, to the argument that "he is too short to be Michael", Michael himself isn't that tall either, specially if the FNaF 4 gameplay takes not long after the Bite of 83. Regardless, this isn't something changes the overall story that much, if someone takes yours or mine path, they will end up in the same place either way, specially now with some theories saying that the FNaF 4 gameplay is an experiment William is doing with Michael using hallucinogenic gas and stuff.
-> "The runaway is the Crying Child". I kinda doubt that a scared kid that can't stop crying and goes down for the slightest inconvenience would be an angry disobedient son that breaks his window and run from his parents home to the Sister Location bunker. Remember, this is before the Bite of 83', so he not only would have a huge change of mind in a short period of time, but the Sister Location technology would have to exist, not only on the same period, but prior to Fredbear's Family Dinner's springlock suits. Also, Elizabeth's death being before the Bite of 83 is not something I believe, neither heard actually. The main theory that the vast majority of people believe is that William Afton can't handle the death of his youngest son, so he tries to revive him, then he discovers "remnant" - which is somebody's soul attached to metal - and begins experimenting on other children, forcing Desk Man to make "the perfect animatronic to catch children", Baby. If Elizabeth dies before the bite victim, why would the Funtimes and Baby be designed to capture children in the first place? As for Elizabeth's absence in the FNaF 4 minigames: Game-wise Scott didn't plan her at the time and lore-wise she could be literally anywhere but at home. For example, she could study during the afternoon, while the bite victim would go to school during the morning or vice-versa. Or maybe the Crying Child wouldn't go to school at all because of his broken mental condition.
Also, the _"Don't you remember what you saw?"_ line could be referring to the Purple Guy helping an employee to put a Spring Bonnie suit, which is backed up by _"What is seen in shadows is easily misunderstood in the mind of a child."_ . "But that moment you are referring happens after Psychic Friend Fredbear says such things", true, but the scene itself is an easter egg that you can very easily miss, as it is in a small gap after _"You can find help if you can get past them. You have to be strong."_ triggers but you can't go too far to the left or else the minigame will end. As such, I believe this moment is a type of "flashback", specially because, if it was happening in real time, the Crying Child would implode as soon as he would see that head popping out of the suit.
-> "The 'He had a rough day.' quote's meaning". I don't think "He had a rough day" HAS to have a meaning. Since I believe the runaway is not the Crying Child, but rather Michael, the couch person could be anyone and it kinda wouldn't matter. It could be Ms. Afton, Henry, Desk Man, or whoever William let home to take care of Michael. "He has a rough day." is an argument that the couch person would think to convince William to not go disturb Michael. And technically every day in Michael's life would be rough, because he is abused by his father and tormented by the fact he killed is brother.
-> "Michael despises his younger brother because he is the cause of William's anger". Once again, I don't believe the Crying Child was even alive in the first place when Elizabeth died, neither that Michael has some genuine evil feel against his brother. In my head-canon, he is simply a young teen that doesn't know better and thinks that bullying his own brother is fun, having a change of heart once his "pranks" go too far.
I'm glad you enjoyed the video! To clarify:
- I was making the point that Michael's quote in Sister Location supports that the Afton's move. Michael is saying "...it was right where you said it would be," in reference to the entrance to the SL bunker being inside or near his old house. William informs Michael that the entrance is right inside of his old house (perhaps under the stairs or in a secret closet or whatever), and Michael finds it. I believe this quote supports that it's an old house because Michael seems to have some sort of knowledge of where he was as he followed William's directions effortlessly. So, if it was inside of his old house, he would know exactly where it is.
- It seems like you agree with me on the FNAF 4 gameplay being Michael. However small of a detail, I will stand on the idea that Michael dreams that he is the CC, since he is clearly shorter than the height of his bedroom doorknob. Even if Michael is a short teenager, he would be 10+ years older in the FNAF 4 gameplay.
- We don't necessarily know if the CC would frequently cry before FNAF 4. Perhaps in MM, he was a brave kid set on finding out what happened to his sister. Then, after the Afton's move and his father/brother start blaming him for everything, he becomes fragile and unconfident. I do agree that the Funtimes and Elizabeth's death before the CC's is something to think about, and I don't have a solid answer at the time. I am trying to figure that piece of the puzzle out. This is just speculation, but if Scott was planning to end the series after FNAF 4, why leave the door open for a younger sister who was simply out of the house? It seems like that goes nowhere, whereas if the room is empty because she died, it gives us some context to the way the characters act.
- I see where you're coming from but consider this: if the couch potato was a parental figure or guardian like Ms. Afton, Henry, or any other caretaker, you'd think they would try harder to intervene between an angry William and his young son. But being Michael, depressed after Elizabeth's death, he would likely make an attempt to stop his father from abusing his brother, but realize his attempts might be futile. Although the animation isn't very detailed, the couch potato doesn't even look up from the TV to address his father, he just makes a sad attempt to stop his angry father. Plus, with William saying "Ran off to that place AGAIN," we know that the runaway is a flight risk. So, any caretaker would be more watchful than to let the CC shut his door and be alone. His brother, however, would not be responsible for watching the CC and would make it possible for him to slip away.
- It seems like we disagree over MM so everything else is not aligning for us. In a future video I hope to do a better job of convincing you :) or maybe you will convince me. You do bring up good points, I hope I was able to clarify my position a bit!
C.c Iz boy zo he died firz'tt.
So - one thing I noticed is that when Circus Baby counts down her seeing kids, she goes from 4 (Mr Afton and his three kids), 3 (mr afton walks away), 2 (Elizabeth and Crying child) then just Elizabeth so the crying child can see Elizabeth die so that’s why the nightmares have stomach mouths
That’s very interesting.. Only thing I’ll mention is that Circus Baby mentions being acutely aware of how many children in the room. So I think she is counting just children in this instance. I like your thinking!
0:55 im so not up to date with the latest fnaf lore 💀
I honestly think crying. hild died first and the thing he saw was charlies death. william prob killed her out jslausy and anger of henry being better at robotics and smarter
I think that michael is watching tv because he completed the job in sister location and the sister location is at the same time as mid night motorist and that’s how william tells him about it that is y there is a different house in the game that is the afton’s house and foot prints is from the animatronic from the fnaf 4 game and the crying child ran to the fanf 4 house because its giving a memory of his sister and gets trapped in it because of the animatronics and you can also see the room in sister location
Interesting theory! I like your break down and timeline placement as well as reasoning. I think the foxy is the closet as a metaphor for a skeleton in his closet type setup.
That's a really neat, obscure detail to catch! I like that a lot. Seems very fitting to me. Good work!
Hey buddy, just a problem. Nightmares are not imaginations. From what we know, Breaker Room map showed us, Plushtrap Hallway and FNaF 4 Bedroom with gray dots that represent Nightmare Animatronics. They we're real alongside the test rooms. About the test rooms, the latest book Dittophobia confirmed that the nightmare rooms were set underground with mannequins. But with the hallucinations caused by gas they looked scarier.
i don't think it makes sense for elizabeth to die before the crying child, and why would the crying child, that his reaction to fear is to curl up in a ball and cry smash the window, get outside to the animatronic that is looking through the window?
I think it makes way more sense if later that night is either after the bite or after the crying child gets buried, and michael is the one to have a rough day having to deal with having killed his brother. That place could be the hospital where the crying child is or the burial memorial.
I think the CC is determined to find Elizabeth, who he last saw at CBPW. Perhaps in the rain, William moved the animatronic that he left outside as a "scarecrow", making it possible for the CC to get past. In your theory, who is the couch potato? I think it makes the most sense that the runaway and couch potato are William two kids.
hmmm pretty good theory Elizabeth is one of the candidates for what bv saw, however a few things i dont think align with it:
-bv seems to be scared of the spring suits specifically (fredbear to be more specific) as fredbear plush says, you know what happens when "he" (likely fredbear) catches you
-this relies on later sl evidence of Elizabeth's existence and demise, fnaf 4 was originally planned to be the final chapter, so what he saw being something that didn't release yet is kinda sus, i think itd have to be something he saw at the time of the release of games 1-4, hard to say if she actually is dead by the time of fnaf 4, or if what bv saw could've somehow changed in the context of sl
-this relies on the funtimes being made super early, within a week after the mci under mci 83 or 2 years before mci 85, even predating charlie since the theory is mm-bvrunaway and it seems to tie in with security puppet, for most people, they'd assume william learns a bit of possession after a few murders before making the soul/kid harvesting robots (speculated to be for the purpose of remnant or haunted metal) (although it still could be the case that Elizabeth dies first, and the other funtimes were reused for remnant later on)
-in the vid it said that bv's rough day was due to elizabeth dying that day, explaining why he runs off to circus baby's, but technically he ran off multiple times, likely more than a couple of nights or days so this rough day in particular might not be rough because of elizabeth's death (if it was and he has ran off multiple times, maybe some phrase like he had a rough week maybe, i dunno, but just semantics, he could've still ran to pizza world)
-the animatronic mm footprints in most theories are tied to the location the runaway kid runs off to (ex: shadow freddy luring bv to freddy's, or fredbear possessed by bv luring mike to his grave or something, spring bonnie being used to scare bv from going freddy's) but hard to say what left those footprints and why under this theory since definitely not baby's and with elizabeth being first to die and recently charlie in mm there's very few candidates for the three toed footprints, bv could still run off the pizza world but hard to tie in the theory with the animatronic footprints
-hard to say if he saw what he saw at the time of mm, since what he saw gives him the courage to run off it feels sussy for it to scare him so much at the same time that he'd hide under tables from fredbear, this might mean that what he saw was after mm instead, that then scared him from the golden suits and location
-it would be strange for bv to revist pizza world/run off multiple times because after the first time revisiting pizza world it would empty with nothing inside and everything moved by tons of cars (described by the cancelled teaser) into the bunker where we see the rentals at, all moved away the day right after elizabeth dies, unless he revisited pizza world often before elizabeth dies and goes there to escape william
-there's the "what is seen in the shadows is easily misunderstood in the mind of a child" which may imply what he saw wasn't what he thinks it is, as well it might've been somewhere shrouded in shadows, unlike pizza world which seems to be very sunny
- I think that what the story was back when FNAF 4 was the last game versus now is completely different. I believe that dream theory was absolutely canon at one point, and now all of the pieces of the story are being reshuffled into a new story. So, while maybe what the CC saw was originally different, now I believe it had something to do with Elizabeth.
- I agree that with Elizabeth dying first we have to ask ourselves, why did Circus Baby exist? I hope to have an explanation for this in a later video.
- I think the CC absolutely ran off multiple times. This day could be rough because William got mad at him for running off the night before, making him sad because his father came down on him.
- The footprints are something I'm still looking into. Since we know in SL they mention a springlock suit that was never used how it was meant to be used, perhaps William used that suit as a "scarecrow" outside of the CC window after CBPW was cancelled.
- I think the CC was confused. He knows that the last place he saw Elizabeth was at CBPW, so even after it's closed and empty, he's still hoping to find her somewhere inside.
- I think that line mainly refers to dream theory. I believe before Scott was worried it would be ill received, dream theory was canon and that's what his post refers to. The quote, however, is not canon since it was just a nod by Scott posted to his website, so its meaning can be changed. I don't think that quote applies anymore.
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Omfg... Michael was a good brother that protected his brother before hanging out with the wrong crowd, started bullying his brother, ending in killing his younger brother... That's just, that makes this whole thing sadder, explaining the earlier moment where he said to William _"He had a rough day"_
I know :,(
I don’t think Midnight Motorist portrays the Afton family. People say that since the car is purple it must be Afton, but brush the fact that the person is orange to the side? You can’t use the colour of something as definitive evidence if you ignore the colour of another thing when it contradicts your theory. I think this is something the FNAF community has got wrong.
Purple is Afton concealed in shadow. Orange is Afton not needing to hide his identity or his actions
a person whose car is purple may suggest they are william, however william being depicted as mustard isn't necessarily a contradiction, he could just be represented by another color for a symbolic reason like being related to fredbear plush's dialogue color somehow or just for the sake of obscuring the identity, or just a brand new color to add along to with purple and pink
i think its fine to let the orange color slide personally
although the bright colors of purple, pink, mustard, or green might not be how people look like in real life, the color of the car and rain seem to be real/realistic and seem to connect with security puppet, having mm follow later that night, if there is a mistake here, id say its pretty understandable why a lot of people would think mustard man is william given those connections,
perhaps maybe a red herring on scott's end, but then again i guess it could work both ways since orange could also be a red herring and taking the orange but not the car color, rain, and later that night be brushed off to the side is i feel just as equally sus in my opinion but i dunno
@@gdeveloper3309no it’s a contradiction, yellow isn’t even close to stuff like pink or purple are, and including a car but not the fucking person should be considered a contradiction
And while on topic on stuff community has got wrong, Crying Child wouldn’t be able to see Elizabeth get killed because baby saw one kid and I doubt he could hide from technology like baby and even if he was there and just left the room for a bit he wouldn’t know she died and “wouldn’t hear it over their own excitement”
For me, color was one piece of evidence. The rest of the pieces came together after that. We know that the orange guy goes home to two people, one definitively being male. Assuming the couch potato is also male, this fits the description of the Afton's: William goes home to his two sons. The orange guy also drives a purple car in the rain, the same color of car that William drove in another minigame set in the rain, and with the source code referring to this minigame as "Later that night," the pieces fit together quite well. We can bring up other theories, but this is the one that makes the most sense to me.
This theory is very off at some points. Why would the fun times have the ability to capture kids before the the bite of 83 and why would William even built the fun times before discovering remnant? This theory doesn’t make that much sense?
Love the theory btw, but why do u think afton created murder bots so early in the timeline? It don’t make sense to me
..Since when was the Fnaf 4 protagonist Michael? I thought it was always assumed to be the crying child
Well, since the FNAF 1 player is likely Michael, and one of the FNAF 1 phone calls plays in FNAF 4, the player would have to have heard it before. My last theory on JR's goes into this a bit more.
Going by the logic of the fnaf movie, I will have to assume that Elizabeth comes years after the crying child's death. When Michael is an adult looking after his younger sister.
No because the girl from the fnaf video looks more like Charlie than Elizabeth, Elizabeth is blonde with green eyes and pigtails
I believe the FNAF movie is using its own universe, however, I don't know what to expect. I 'm excited to see it!
@@bonswootchmost likely since Michael should recognise William if Elizabeth is still alive since Williams appearance only changed after the MCI since he starts dismantling animatronics while Michael is working there after so it doesn't make sense why Michael doesn't call William in the trailer by anything related to him
I believe that the fnaf movie is takin a different take on fnaf therefore "Elizabeth" is now abby
thats funny,clearly its a third fnaf universe where things are very different (the first being games and second being the books)
I have to say that this is an intersting point of view. However i have to disagree with one part and that is the Midnight motorist. While the Elizabeth seems as the only solution if it show Aftons. The major problem comes with timing. If Circus babys pizza world opened before Fnaf 4 there is a question: Why? Why was CBPZ opened? To harvest remnant so Afton could experiment with it. This is a problem because Afton at this point in timeline doesn't know remnant exist. No kids are possesed until CC posseses Fredbear(or Charlie puppet depending on what you believe). How could Afton harvest remnant if he doesn't know it exist. I personally believe that Afton started with good intentions but went crazy after Bite of 83 but thats just theory.
So why would random kids go inside his house to get there willingly
Scott said, "What is seen in the shadows [i.e. seeing an employee in the suit] is easily misunderstood in the mind of a child."
You see c.c did see Elizabeth die 2:30 or at least around
The way you explain makes so much sense, I have been a fan of fnaf for 10 years already and I didn't understand much about it back then but now I do, thanks for sharing the information.
I always like to imagine that the nightmares were inspired by the bullies that they encouraged the nightmares.also FNAF 4 is the game that doesnt really get a lot of attention despite that is my favorite game of the series always like to see more theories about it. Thank you. Have a nice day.
Does this solve why cupcake committed several war crimes for no reason?
I thought the timeline for FNAF games was:
FNAF 4
FNAF Sister Location
FNAF 1
FNAF 2
FNAF 3
FNAF Pizzeria Simulator
Why are you saying that the events of FNAF 1 took place before FNAF 4? What suggests this?
Is it because in FNAF 4 you can hear the phone guy from 1? If so, i don't think you should be taking something Scott added as a quirky detail as concrete evidence with deep lore implications.
First off, FNAF 2 comes before FNAF 1 since Phone Guy is still alive in 2 but dies in 1. Now for 4, if you disregard the phone call evidence that makes FNAF 4 after FNAF 1, what evidence is there that says it comes before 1? We know that the minigames from 4 occur before 1 but what about the gameplay? I’m curious as to your take on this!
Nothing, he would have seen nothing. What seen in shadows implies nothing actually bad is going on, him being scared of everything is why he thinks so
Perhaps. Although I consider that quote from Scott to be in reference to dream theory, which we know is not currently canon. Nowadays, I'm not sure if that post is still relevant. I think it was used to urge MatPat to figure out dream theory and now that dream theory is not canon, it is probably not a canon piece of evidence. That is my take at least.
You make a lot of assumptions, not a lot of facts
I tried to support all of my assumptions with evidence, and only base my assumptions based off of things we already know about the lore. What did I get wrong?
Clearly the futuristic robot murderer sentient ai took place before the 80s inspired musty stationary animatronic puppet
Well, to be fair we do know that the modern looking toy animatronics were scrapped and replaced by the old withered ones..
I've thought of this as well. Especially since Henry says he created Baby at some point, I assume he meant that William used his work for the child-detecting AI the security puppet had.
Elizabeth died after Charlie and CC
But yeah Couch man is Micheal and Runaway is CC
Okay not trying to hate but maybe but Mike probably The one who run away and that's probably Ms Afton 1:56 talking
Why do you think so?
Its a shame the algorythm doesnt like you more.... You deserve more views :)
Thank you so much! I am absolutely grateful for every interact my channel gets---from views, to comments, to subs. I look forward to posting more videos and growing this community!
THATS WHAT IM SAYING HE MUST BE THE KEY
I really don't think Crying Child is the runaway, first of all, not really characteristic for him and his personality (as well as Michael noy having even remotely the same personality, if the person on the couch is Michael), even if we try to jistify their personality change by the trauma and William's anger, that's just not convincing
Lately, some people have connected one of the stories in, I think it was Fazbear Frights book?
So, either it's Michael who ran away or its a whole different family.ily all together
What does Michael being the runaway tell us about the story? With the CC, it furthers the story and adds context to other moments in the lore. I'm failing to understand how Michael being the runaway furthers our understanding of the ongoing story.
It doesn't make sense? how is a yellow dude their father? if he is supposed to be purple?
Yes, he is usually purple. However, there is far more evidence that they are the same person than to say they aren't. For example: the yellow guy drives the same color/type of car as purple guy in Take Cake to the Children, and those two minigames are implied to take place mere hours from one another. So, putting the color differences aside, it is very likely that the yellow guy is William Afton.
Keep it up buddy! While I don't agree 100% with some of your arguments, I enjoyed the video :)
Thank you! Of course, there is so much mystery behind the series. At the end of the day, I'm glad you found enjoyment in the video!
I see no way the tv person could be Michael. No one would demand anything of an abusive parent. It has to be a peer, someone with equal power to the yellow guy.
I see things differently. The couch potato is clearly depressed, he doesn't even look up from the TV when talking to the yellow guy. I believe that if it was a caretaker or guardian for the runaway that they would make more of an effort to stop William from antagonizing him. Michael would know that he has little effect on what William does and would only make a poor attempt at dissuading him. This is why I don't believe the couch potato is a babysitting or guardian.
The children were like FBI OPEN UP
Or some were around there
Nice video but....wait.....aren't Golden Freddy is just a Cassidy's ghost that possess Fredbear's suit.
Thank you! :)
@@bonswootch my own theory
Maybe "IT'S ME" is a real hallucination, and when Michael see G. Freddy, he remembered Fredbear, and feels fault for it
But fnaf 4 isn’t a real house, it isn’t a dream either, the newest fnaf books confirm that fnaf 4 is a game about “nightmare gas” And the “house” isn’t actually a house, it’s a testing room with fake “mannequin like” figures just moving on tracks.
it could be like that for rory's testing facility but rory and mike probably lived in different houses since they would've ran into each other for the 10 years rory was at the testing facility
the nightmare gas would probably make it real and not a dream, but mike would probably hallucinate seeing them in those nightmare forms for some ptsd reason about remembering what happened to bv
i think the house mike lives at/has nightmares at is probably real though since he's able to leave it to work at fnaf 1 and leave it to work in sl, unlike rory whos trapped in his house
Well, I don't necessarily believe the books are 1:1 with the games. However, I don't disagree that nightmare gas could possibly be an explanation for FNAF 4.
@@bonswootchRegardless if they are in the same Timeline, Dittophobia and Sister Location confirm what the areas of the FNAF 4 gameplay are testing rooms run by Afton.
If CC watched Circus Baby murder his sister wouldn't of he had nightmares of baby?
Possibly, yes. But this theory is saying that Michael is the one having nightmares, so we don't know if the CC is or is not.
@@bonswootch Ah ok
wsg. Great theory video, it was explained well and quite easy to understand. although I don't completely agree with some parts of it. Let me explain. Outside the house in midnight motorist, there is animatronic footprints. now this part might be a stretch but when you look at the window that's broken, I don't see any glass shards on the floor, which presents that someone or something broke into the building/house. My theory is that this family that we see is not the Afton's. Some people refer to orange guy as William, commonly because the car is purple, but this could just be a coincidence (not saying it definitely is). I think this family is either the family of henry Emily or just a family of one of the kids that William murdered. This can be backed up by the animatronic footprints I mentioned before that I think is the footprints of William Afton in his murder suit aka the spring lock suit he uses to lure kids to where he wants them. I'm not sure if anything here made sense or not, it could be a bit of a stretch however I would love to see a video of you elaborating on this theory, I've subscribed, let me know if you end up creating one. Thanks for reading this far :D
i dont think its william wearing a springlock suit because it is a rainy night. we know that water is a big factor that results in a springlock failure
Thanks so much for the support! I like your theory, but just to play devil's advocate: would William be wearing his springlock suit in heavy rain? We know that springlock failures are caused by moisture so it seems like William would know better than to wear his out on a night like this. The glass forensics is a smart catch! I'm not sure what that would mean for my theory, but I will consider it!
@@bonswootch I do see how this could prevent my theory, however as @sunnyisabunny1479 stated, this event could had taken place hours before rain, and i have thought about the footprints washing away, but then that still doesn't eliminate the possibility that this is william. I think that the "kidnapping" (or so i name it) happened some time before the rain. We also know that scott loves to throw in details in his game to further prevent the community from figuring out the story, this could be one of them. Now this is prolly all wring but its just a shot in the dark, trying to see if it sparks something actually worth talking about. But for now this is all i have got, ive been wanting to put some more effort into this threory however, see if i could find a way for it to work. If you can figure something out let me know, ill be the first to watch a video on it :D
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Thank you! I really appreciate your support!
@@bonswootch of course man! Keep up the good work! :D
i am thinking in the last 100 hour ago without stopping
In fact, we DON'T know the meaning of Midnight Motorist, nor do we KNOW if Elizabeth died first (I personally believe the HW2 gravestone order)
Unrelated but I absolutely love those Lego Batman stuff you have in your background and the dark knight stuff! Also this was a great video and great editing too!
Bruh no we are the sad child is the player on fnaf 4 and fnaf 1 takes place in 2018
2018? Where did that information come from?
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Isn't it much more likely that "he hates you" refers to Mike? He's the one that usually pops up just before CC collapses crying on the ground. But the shakiest part is midnight motorist. There's just so little that makes sense as this being the Aftons. None of the characters act according to their established personalities. We know Mike as the one who bullies his brother while there's nothing to suggest William does, or that Mike would defend him. CC doesn't seem like the type to break his window to run out into the dark. If you were inside, wouldn't you just open it?
Why would Scott randomly make William orange in this one instance? It's not because he isn't in the shadows, considering this takes place outside in the rain in the middle of the night. Meanwhile we know William was using a mascot suit to kidnap children and the minigames it's grouped with are of the MCI victims.
Scott's hint for FNAF4 was also "What is seen in shadows is easily misunderstood in the mind of a child." If CC saw his sister eaten by a robot, he'd have the absolutely correct reaction.
ngl i never belived this even after i was an mci 83er, idk just i think if cc saw lizzie in the process of being scooped baby would just stop the scooping process, i belive bv either saw cassidy, charlie, or the stage 01 kid (possibly andrew?)s death, MAYBE a springlock failure
So is the order of the deaths: Charlie, Elizabeth, then CC? Because if CC died in Fredbear’s Family Diner to Golden Freddy and that was the first location, then the Puppet also had to have been at Fredbear’s OR another location had to have been open at the same time where the Puppet was for Charlie to die there and get possessed by the puppet. Either way, Charlie has to die before Elizabeth because it wouldn’t make sense for William to make Baby and the other Funtimes unless he knew about Remnant and the Puppet was the one who gave the original MCI kids life. I used to think CC’s death had to be first because it gave William a motive to kill Charlie, but he could’ve killed Charlie just because he was jealous of Henry rather than he was grieving CC. Basically my question is- do we know where Charlie died? Because that’s the key to understanding who died, in what order.
As much as i would like for this theory to be true, it unfortunately is not. The murder weapon doesn't fit the time. Theres no reason for William to be making child kidnapping robots to experiment on remnant. So the Crying child would not have seen his sister get grabbed
Alright everyone is missing that the MCI totally happened in 83 i swear man. Its either that or some weird stuff has to happen that we don’t know yet.
1. Remember what you saw” - The crying child saw something, and the idea that it was just a misunderstanding is unsatisfying to me for several reasons.
a. It is william who is telling the crying child to remember what he saw. Why would William want to scare his children away from the pizzeria before he’s killed anyone?
b. The green eyed girl directly states what happened to the MCI kids, almost as though by the time of the Fnaf 4 minigames, the children had already been stuffed and rumors about them have already gotten out.
c. “Do you miss them” is spoken by cassidy to the crying child, heavily implying that he was friends with the missing children. Not to mention the lines of “these are my friends” and “we are still your friends” from fnaf 4. All these lines go a long to make it seem like the CC KNEW the MCI kids and that they are dead by the time of fnaf 4.
2. MM.
a. The grave outside the house shows that someone has to be dead before charlie, but it can’t be the CC if he hasn’t seen anything because then the fnaf 4 lines don’t make sense.
b. Jrs doesnt let william in which is the only time anyone is turned away from any building besides in fnaf 2 when they suspect a previous employee of committing the MCI.
3. The security puppet. The puppet in its minigame seems specifically designed to keep charlie safe. This makes the most sense if Henry suspected william of something and designed the puppet to keep his kid safe. Even if its not designed specifically for charlie, why would the puppet be stopping kids from reaching the exit when supposedly the only dead kid is the CC, who died inside as a result of a prank.
4. “I was the first" repeated over and over again, it seems odd that this line is repeated if in reality Charlie is the first victim. If the MCI is first in the timeline, then this line makes a lot more sense.
“Chronic crying” 💀💀💀
CC now refers to The Chronic Crier, not The Crying Child XD
Anyone have compared this 8 bit game map of fnaf 4, specially outdoors, with sister location? As a metaphore... since it has the girl that looks like baby....
I think you have a good grasp on everything, you're explanation about everything makes really good narrative sense, except for Elizabeth's death. The moving, Michael being a good brother and only bullying CC after making bad friends, and your explanation of FNAF 4 all really work I just think Elizabeth's death cannot have happened that early in the timeline. Without the bite or Charlie possessing The Puppet, why would William make the Funtimes? I mean we can always just go with the fact that he's just insane and was always evil but it seems like that's not the case in the story we are being presented. Maybe the CC was just an extremely sensitive kid, I mean it makes sense that given the time period this takes place in if the CC was seen as soft it may not be good for him so he could still cry a lot and have self-esteem issues, idk how much merit that has but it's a thought.
You make a good point. At the moment, I don't have an explanation for why William built the Funtime animatronics. We do know that he's sort of shameless and naive as in the opening to SL, after being asked about his design choices he references Circus Baby's ability to sing and dance rather than her storage tank and scooper which were likely the reason for the interrogation. This is something I hope to elaborate on in further videos. Good observation!
@bonswootch I think I might have an answer as to why the funtimes come so early in the timeline. We know Elizabeth died to Circus Baby, but Circus Baby shouldn't exist without William having killed someone first. Well, that's because he did kill someone else first: Charlie. We know from her gravestone that Charlie died in 1983, but it was never specified whether she died before or after C.C. . If Charlie dies first, that means that the Afton kids can both still die in 1983 while justifying the existence of the Funtimes so early in the timeline. With the information, this means that in 1983, William murdered Charlie, whether it be a drunken act of violence or a play against Henry, it doesn't matter. Then, William builds the Funtimes, Elizabeth gets scooped, then C.C. gets chomped. Man, 1983 was a rough year. Makes it crazier when you remember this all happened in Utah lol.
0:50 illusion disks willy has a lot of those
XD
I still dont get it, why would he be trying to kill kids if he doesnt have a reason to? I feel like he wouldve been trying to make the killer animatronics after the crying childs death because hes trying to figure out what happened to him, not just because hes in a silly goofy mood.
Michael ran away
I plan to look into this.. I haven't heard this theory, and it sounds like it is less probable than the CC being the runaway, but I am interested to see what evidence there is for this.
He didn't lol.
idk tho i still think it can't be micheal in fnaf 4 not untill a specific night or something especially when we've been told by official media that it wasn't micheal unless you wanna make the argument that micheal is cc or something but yeah it really can't be micheal the height and age wise yeah ig it could be him a but hey would be way to old unless the doors are just really that tall it just doesn't make much sense however i will say something to think about is maybe fnaf 4 in help wanted could be a prospective of micheal after all we do see and play as Gabriel in a way since we play as him getting lured to the back room where he get's stuffed into freddy in that one ending so aside from height who's to say we don't play as Michael in that version of fnaf 4 yk? just a thought
I believe that the one who broke the window could be michael because he might have done that after the bite of 83 because of the guilt of accidently ending his little brothers life plus how would evan be strong enough to break the window but Michael is a teenager and he can be strong enough to break the window and the person watching the tv could be his mother but you do have good points but this is just my theory
So after the circus baby incident he started having these nightmares and he started crying and since he’s keep going there non stop they moved that must be the reason the lay is different
I always thought the crying childs room was broken into by an animatronic based off of the footprint and the shattered window glass being on the inside of the house and not the outside
what if instead of fnaf 4 happening right after fnaf 1 its happening during sister location, which is probably after the events of fnaf 1
Micheal is not 5 he is 14 it’s confirmed by Scott
When did Scott confirm Michael’s age? I’d love to see that! :D
Actually he's 16
I confused a little bit BC how did Elizabeth died first when her died in 1985?
nice vid bro!!! and the "crying child" name is evan btw
Thanks! I tried to avoid calling him even because I don't think its confirmed to be his name.. Although Crying Child is a mouthful lol
@@bonswootch ok, i understand! but if i make animations of the crying child then his name will be evan.
6 words for this video. WAS THAT THE BITE OF 87
Doesn’t golden Freddy actually exist not a hallucination and didn’t the crying child posses golden freddy
Why would William be building murder animatronics like the funtimes so early in the timeline?
I have a theroy that the crying child actually whitnessed the missing children's incident
He's died in 83,mci happend in 85 bruh
@@oriegasnem okay I just did some research and the missing children happened in 85 just like you said but I think William afton killed those kids because of the bite that will explain alot but there's still more theories
@@oriegasnem the missing children were infact before the events of fnaf 4 probably like in 1980 or 1981 also why do you think the children went missing in 1985?
I think it's being literal. When we begin he is already crying under the table. I believe he just saw the animatronics shadows or the animatronics themselves and ran and hid under the table prior to where we pick up.
I see what you're saying. What is interesting to me is that the Fredbear plushie says "He knows you hate it here," when referring to Fredbear's. So, what makes the CC hate Fredbear's even though he carries around his Freddy's plushies? At the end of the game the 4 Freddy's plushies say "We are still your friends," making it seem like the CC was close with them. So why does he hate Fredbear's? Something to ponder..
@@bonswootch because his dad is putting him through the nightmares at the same time and one of them being fredbear and nightmare.
But it's all so proven that where baby and the entire place was underground in his house
N-No...the timeline would be fucked if it takes place after Fnaf 1 since theres no reason to be interpret it taking place during that time. Because its perfectly safe to assume that it all happened at the very beginning. But the game is just that - flashbacks, recalling of events. You can put it in any timeline and said "This is Michael's memory" which served zero purpose in placing it after fnaf 1.
im confuzzled thou by this comment, doesn't phone guy's lines place the nightmare gameplay after 1993? its a pretty good reason, as well the nightmare gameplay with 2 doors on each side and the classic 5 animatronics are just like fnaf 1, as if mike was dreaming fnaf 1 in a nightmarish way i think its important to know when these nightmares are and that its micheal dreaming them, since bv died in 83
@@gdeveloper3309 Phone Guy comments never mentioned anything about Nightmare animatronics and the sister location it referenced the OTHER sister location, not the one in fnaf 4. Theres multiple other sister locations such as Fnaf 1’s location. So no. You’re overthinking about something thats barely relevant. Yes maybe he probably dresmt it all, but that doesnt correlate to any of the timeline. Its a past that is heavily implied to take place around the same time the proto animatronic suits were built. All im saying is if you plug fnaf 4 after fnaf 1 you still get a load of nothing that barely answers anything other than “Well, what happened before fnaf 1 then? Why is Michael sleeping during the job. Why would he have nightmares as a living corpse?”. You’re raising more questions than solving any answers
I placed FNAF 4's gameplay after FNAF 1 because you can hear one of the FNAF 1 phone calls in FNAF 4. That means that the player would have to have heard it prior, making FNAF 4 take place as soon as the day after that phone call was played, but not before.
Oh okay makes sense. I can see why one might have a theory that they're dreaming and stuff. Cliche. @@bonswootch
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What theory have I just stumbled across that made me cry because i pity your thoughts
Crying child is not the run away. He hates it at Freddy's.
I watched 3 sec and subbed very nice
"Very interesting"
Thank you!
ALSO NIGHTMARE FREDDY IS IN THE BEDROOM
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Everything. Everything inside Micheal changed with sister location. Literally.
Hahaha yeah
the grey person in front of the TV isnt mike? right? yes sure they are both grey but they are both a different shade of grey. they dont have the same hexcodes. i remember seeing a vid that speculated that the grey is will and orange is their mom
There are many theories out there, I like listening to all of them. I still believe the couch potato is Michael for the reasons of him watching TV like in SL, his color, and the fact that it makes sense for William's house to be occupied by his two sons. As for the hexcode, the purple guy has a different hex code almost every time we see him. I don't find hexcodes to be that damning in terms of evidence.
Dope video
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LET EM COOK, HES ONTO SOMETHING 🗣️🗣️
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no, the crying child is the pov player, he is GREGORY.
bro forgot ‘83 😂😂😂
@@Space64Officalbro Forgot to Change Accounts 😂😂😂
oh, I’m sorry I’m very sorry, I just realized lol, I’m a rock brain
Bro Gregory is not In Fnaf 4 wtf is wrong with you dude?
@@Space64Officalthere’s no way you be failing to switch accounts 💀💀💀
Michael has to be at least 18 by 1993 in order to work at Freddy's, since legally in the United States, a Security Guard job requires being a legal adult.
The aftons are british
@@-ayesha- They still live in Utah.
@@Joshchive how? Source
@@-ayesha- FNAF 6, the Lawsuits are sanctioned in Utah. FNAF also takes place in Utah in the books.
@@Joshchive oh thanks I didnt know!
This is why I want to protect crying child
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Sometimes I'm ashamed that I like fnaf lore, I'm just scared to play the game myself, I'm 16 at the time of writing this comment.
When I was younger, somebody showed me fnaf 3 springtrap jumpscare and ever since then I avoided horror.
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“Solving FNAF lore” sir , the lore will not end until FNAF stops being profitable
Hahaha
One thing about the start of the video, mainly the reversed Phone Guy ambiance. I don't think that it is relevant to the lore. Even all the way back when FNAF 4 first released, you could still just call it an Easter egg, and not a lore bit. It is literally a garbled reused asset put into the ambiance of the game. Compared to other lore sources, it doesn't seem as solid.
And that's not even mentioning that even *if* the noise is lore-relevant, it may not be related to the -current- lore. Since Scott was (probably) originally making the series into "it was all a dream" (or Dream Theory), but then after Fnaf 4 deciding that the fans wouldn't like it, and changed the lore. If the Phone Guy easter egg is lore-relevant, it might have been originally connecting to the "it was all a dream" narrative, rather than the current narrative
I see what you're saying, and I agree that originally dream theory was canon. However, I am still trying to make sense of the story as a whole since Scott only really admits to making one retcon, which makes me believe that although their meanings may have changed, all of the original exposition is still exposition in some way.
@@bonswootch about the "only 1 retcon" post from Scott, there are two points that most people don't talk about.
1.) The post was made before Fnaf 6, so that game and any made after that can have retcons.
2.) What does Scott classify as a retcon?
Does he view it as any change from the story of the game originally had, which recontextualizes parts from previous games?
Or does he classify it as a new piece of info that directly contradicts info/lore from a previous game. Because if it is the 1st definition, then he would have made quite a few retcons, since he was making the story along as he goes. Stuff like Remnant and the springlocks especially were not thought of originally
you make a lot of assumptions you dont really justify, eg. it being crying child who left 100 percent for certain.
That’s why it’s a theory. I tried by best to explain the evidence I used to support my belief that the runaway is the CC.