Play passively. Let villain bet your good hands for you. Call, call, call. Only raise in position when you have him crushed on the river. After a few times, he will respect your calls and find someone else to pick on.
good pt. to add to that, make sure that you have a calling hand and have some kind of read on him. bc once in a while he will have monster and u dont want to stack off
of course you will stack off occasionally, but that's poker. i mean, just today i flopped a boat with pocket 3s and got paid off handsomely...it happens!
B. Alvn that sounds good in theory. If you are in position of him he will not be Ass aggressive and willing to fire 3 streets at you. Exploiting an opponent usually happens when you have position on him. When you are oop it is mostly about protecting your self from being exploited. With a lag his strategy should and will be to exploit you in spots that you will be more Inclined to play your hand fast or you risk losing his action and at the same time where he can put you in a vulnerable spot to make you uneasy. This will leave that opponent oop with medium strength hands and what this would mean is protect your range oop and in those spots check 100% of your range. Only off the table work can aid you with this.
"By internalizing what you're seeing, you can use that as a reflection to understand how you can help your own game by maybe seeing some of your weaknesses through the actions of the other opponent. Because, if it's working against you, you maybe have a weakness that perhaps needs to be combatted." ~ Alec Torelli 3:50
Great video. Also, a player has a choice as well, as you know whether to play at a very loose table or loose player. Poker can be like choosing stocks- choose to play the game/market with choosing stocks with higher volatility and more risk, or choose or change tables in Hope's of your game style with conservative players Loose players can he harder to figure out...so I like to either tighten up if you have time to and it will hopefully pay off. I guess it's all preference to decide to tighten up or change table. I look at players like stocks to figure out their image. Alex makes great points in the video. Thanks for the great tips and good luck to all!
Playing against Aggressive opponents is a basically simple strategy,- but often takes a lot of patience something many players don't have. You simply wait for a better than average hand against them, and check/call to the river. If bluffing, they will slow down or even check by the turn, if they catch anything at all even a mediocre drawing hand they will usually continue to blast away. In this case, you need to have the nuts or very close to it to continue against aggressive Opponent's who will often even push on the flop if they even catch a reasonable draw. Not true for every situation, but very typical.
im aggressive as long as i dont fly off the handle, then i take cover by checking and folding. sometimes you gotta raise big enough to make your opponents check to you out of caution
Excellent explanation how to play vs tougher more aggressive opponents. Simply put: the closer a player plays GTO the more you have to play the same way. This should result in a 0EV situation.
I suggest playing the Cepheus poker bot for your readers. It's LHE, but it's a great way for people to see what a computer with no strategical weaknesses does with certain hands on certain textures. When it comes to poker in general, Alec is 100% right. Starting with better hands than most, and a range that can get to showdown on most textures, is a winning strategy. It may be boring to look at KTs or 55 from MP and fold, but that strong range is going to force good players to give up in a lot of spots.
+Joe Regan Thanks for recc. Joe. Feel free to engage more, I can see you have some solid poker base there! Check out Hello Alec as community appreciate good hand analysis as well.
i partially agree. learning how to play mediocre hands and play creatively is very important if you want to be the best. that said, if you are comfortable with playing better hands than the most and ok with the money ur making, hey who am i to argue. i think i heard somewhere tight is right.
if your opponent is better than you and/or making you miserable at the table, just leave. keep it simple. you cant play well if you're not feeling at least ok.
"So, we can not afford to let [LAGs or people near our skill level] play better than us by playing out of position - we're just killing ourselves there. But, even in position, we want to be really really strong with the hands we enter the pot with. Now, entering the pot is the foundation of poker, but what do you do postflop? You want to play a *really solid foundational approach* to this player [LAGs]. So, that means that, no matter what you make, your opponent really can't exploit you too much." ~ 7:49
if its that easy everyone would play top 10% of hands and be winners. this maybe true up to 5-10nl live bc there are enough bad players to make money from. however, in higher limits playing solid doesnt mean much, i think. as doyle brunson said, cant play nl too tight or too loose. play it situationally.
Man, great point about how although we sometimes feel like the LAG will know when we get a hand, until they give us a sign that they've changed their opinion of us or style of play vs us, there's no reason to think the LAG will all of a sudden shutdown when we start betting...Since we've BEEN betting and it hasn't been working :)
I have a group of friends that I play with a lot, and I originally was playing super well, and was up like 5x more than the net biggest winner (over many games). Now all of a sudden, I'm losing more and more, to the point where I'm barely in first. Its frusterating because my friend who was in last place by soooo much is now moving up the ranks and is in second. He is a LAG, and it seems ill get pocket queens, call his ridiculous bet, he will have a 6 and a 9 , and then get a full house and win. It is soooooo frustrating, and I need help.
I think what you are talking about at the end is known as the gap concept. You need a better hand to call a better player but you can widen the gap when a weaker player raises the pot. You could reraise with AK. Whereas you might want to fold that against a much better player. Someone who plays the top ten hands could have you crushed when an ace or king hits the flop and you are all in with top pair top kicker against aces or kings. Some of the time you are splitting the pot with AK but most of the time you are dominated. I see it all the time in online cash games. I've learned to fold AK to a rock... hahaha. For one thing they don't pay you off if you hit and they don't bluff so it's pointless.
Hi Alec, online it isnt difficult to monitor and try to balance your range of hands and actions in each position and situation. In live poker how do you balance your play? I know in one of D Sklanski books he advocated using the second hand of your watch for deciding a raise and a call in spots where each move is an option. What do you do?
I've had good results loosening up against agro opponents. If they C-bet 100% of the time you have no reason to suspect he/she has a hand (considering they'll miss 2/3 of flops on average). Once they see you're willing to call them down with king high (and win) they'll slow their agression vs you, or at least pick better spots to bluff. LAGS and Agro fish can be very profitable! Keep in mind you can lose a hand in order to create an image for other players, raise with nothing, lose a little, so when you have the nuts they're more likely to call.
Had a maniac lag to my left today really annoying me. I got AA in hole, A flopped w a straight draw by the river. I checked thinking he would shove, which he did but I was pretty sure he was blowing air. I called and took his stack. He left me alone after that. Lol!
Last table I was at was an unfriendly table full of limpers and boy was it a shit show. I thought I would do just fine, played really tight but every time I had a hand everyone folded. Then I decided to go nuts with KJ and raised post flop and jammed. It was a bluff. Twenty hands at least I didn't play before this and a guy called me with a four in his hand and won. There was a four on the flop, and it was bottom pair. I need to learn to get up from the table when I'm not feeling it.
Great video Alec, I really enjoy all of your posts and your website. Can you recommend some books to read that you've read to develop your skills? I have Moorman's book, I think it's ok =\
Nhan Nguyen Hey Nhan, Thanks for the kind words. To be honest I never benefitted much from poker books on strategy, which is why I just wrote my own :) It's called 'The Four Steps to Beating Anyone at Poker' and will be available for limited release later this month. If you're interested check back on my blog www.alectorelli.com in a few days and subscribe. I'll shoot out an email when it comes available. That being said, for non strategy poker content you should absolutely read Tommy Angelo's Elements of Poker. Alec
think about it this way, the strategy for playing against a NIT is to loosen up and force more folds, why would your advice vs an aggressive player be to play more tight (nitty)? The two strategies are contradictory.
Playin aggressive players is like Ali fighting George foreman. B patient and wait for ur attack. Let them think u a tight player. It works for me. Playin tight give u alot of chances to bluff bc they only think u have something when u are aggressive
I am very new to the Game But this how I play Aggressive opponents. one on one start at the min chip size you will see who that player is and how they bet, 2 if after 5 hands all thy do 4 bet and 5 bet stop and walk away poker is not a diced game. 2 now if you get a Aggressive opponents that will play to the flop with out a big bet most likely you will when with a good hand now that same Aggressive opponents will start to see losses to many hand and now your up by half your min start chips now you should see this Aggressive opponents start to 4 bet and start to go all in all most all the time this when you must leave do not bet and walk away . 3.Aggressive opponents do not value chips they have a big winning ego winning is every thing to a aggressive opponents. by walking away you are taking there chips and that is a lost to the aggressive opponents and miss there mind up to see you start at the min and end up at two time more then you started with chips it there chips your walking away with. ? Now if I can figure out how to play aggressive opponents and players that play as a team at 6 hand and 9 hand game let me know I think I have some idea on how to win its not a easy game to play . For the simple reason aggressive opponents and other do not value chips they reload like its no big deal.
Your a great player Alec but I disagree More often then not you will both miss the flop if you fold out when you miss he will take most pots and he will be able to get away when you hit I say play him in position and float his first 2 barrels if you raised pre you likely have over card which can approve and he is unlikely to fire a third barrel after you call the first 2
different play styles my dude, I totally agree with mr Pool Service & Leak Detection. Loosen your calling range, understand spots where they're going to bet 100% of the time and know that 66% of the time that will probably be a bluff (2/3rds of the time a hand will miss the flop)
I played with a real maníac once... 7/10 he was bluffing so i waited i waited i waited and fucked half of his chips with pocket 5s then he was taking more chips again entered a pot with J8s on the River he bets all in, but something was wrong about the hand so i called the Guy had Air and he got eliminated with J high lol
Loose aggressive players in low stakes --> Summary... just play tighter??? In my limited experience these players tend to have big winning nights but over time lose money. Is this thinking correct?
If poker is a language, then learning another language will help a person with poker, no? Music and math are also languages. GL ALL 2016!!! Thanks again for these powerful tips.
McGavel1 I really got a lot out of this one: "Maybe it's time to start thinking about WHY is he playing that style against me? WHAT does him playing that style against me tell me about myself?...Maybe he figured out that's the best way to play against me...So, by internalizing what you're seeing, you can use that as a reflection to understand how you can help your own game by maybe seeing some of your weaknesses THROUGH the action of the other opponent. Because if it's working against you, it means you have a weakness that perhaps needs to be combated."
true, but against that player you'll always be hoping for a premium hand and then if he calls your raise you'll also be hoping to hit the flop..and if you don't..then you'll be dreading the check raise again...I feel way too card dependent against those players..so my answer is, avoid him unless I have a shoving hand ..and use his style against players with a similar 'cautious' style to myself.
I hate those wannabe tough players who allways call a reraise and call simply everything when i miss. And then when i move allin they suddenly have a bigger hand. Fn hate that. Or they even call with maximum a 3d pair when i move allin. Or with big blinds they raise 3 times the big blind numerous times and i simply have to have a hand. Like i said then i move in with an ace and they have a higher ace or a pp. And when i raise with some ace they reraise me and i cant call cause its just a rag. THen when i actually have a hand they fold. THE FCK! :p Im talkin about itm sng. Tx for ur vids btw. Allready helped me a lot!
1. Have a bankroll 2. Play your cards and not his bets. 3. Don't tilt vs somebody on a heater. If he's been getting cards on the flop, turn and river dont isolate against him. Some guys get cards for weeks. Let somebody else pay him. 4. Change seats when available. Bullies dont like being bullied. As soon as he looses a couple big hands he'll tighten right up. When he does, firmly press your foot on his neck until he tilts. 5. Did i say bankroll??? Ok. We'll bankroll bankroll bankroll
+Sandro Kecalovic Great question Sandro. I discuss this in a bit more detail in my course which you can find here: www.alectorelli.com/foursteppoker/ Not necessarily 'where' to find them but how to create a business plan and attract them. In short, you have to take yourself seriously if you want someone else to. Treat it like a business.
tanks alec did u read about some off the hand that i have played and folds i made let me know i am intrested in knowing what your thought prossess is on some off disisions i made imade 2 folds that i never see pros or anybody else make first hand i had j 8 suited in the big blind 1 2 cash game thats the game i play any ways j8 big blind under the gun limps 2 off calls 1 off cut off raises to 12 and evrybody completes the flop comes j85 2 clubs nice so it goes check all the way to the guy who raised he bet 25 i make it 60 and evrybody folds to the small blind that makes it 200 ithought about it for about 30 seconds and folded she sowed me pocet 55s second hand i limp 2 off under the gun with a 10 off spades evry body folds but small blind who is playing ewry hand who makes it 15 and me and big blind complete the board comes ace 10 5 rainbow small blind c bets to 30 big blind calls and i raise with the top 2 to 80 dollars nowit gets weird again the loose player goes 200 hudred and big blind goes all in for 300 hundred total i had 200 behind but i put the big blind on only one hand that beats me pocet 55 nice i folded after anoying tankig thoughts after 2 minutes small blind snaped off and they show there hands ace 5 small b and pocet 55 big blind for thouse stakes on the flop i dont c people doing that tell me what u think
My favorite player to go up against is insanely aggressive. A fantastic card player that just gets so LUCKY. I have to give him full credit that he’s both good and his risks are CALCULATED but it’s uncanny how often he rivers people, myself included. He knows i calculate pot odds and compare the ratio of my draws to my odds and make the most equitable decision. When he picked up on this, he started pricing me out of large pots. I picked up on it immediately. I formulated a plan. He would always price me out on the river and inevitably he would get the right bluff card to do so more often than not. I decided to NEVER play out of position and to control the size of the pots. I then ALLOWED HIM to price me out semi regularly acting as if I just couldn’t do anything...the pot odds just weren’t there and I couldn’t call him down. This went on to the tune of almost 2 grand over two months. I let it go on....until the night I didn’t on a $7,000 pot.....he made a $3k bet on the river. I had become extremely good at reading him over the 2 months and I knew he had absolutely NOTHING. I snap called him. He looked as though he was about to throw up when he turned over K5((king high) ...he looked like he had seen a ghost when I turned AJ(ace high.)jaws hit the floor and the ONLY emotion I’ve ever shown when winning pot came out....I beat my chest once and let out a low grunt....and tipped the dealer $50. That pot truly hurt him financially. It was 2 days before Christmas....but I went for the kill on the final hand of the night... Playing 4 handed...I look down at Pocket aces...I raise $300, he raises to $600, I raise to $1200 and then he starts talking....it was seduced and even admitted I had aces and he had Kong’s....I threw down $2,000....he had reloaded with about $1800 so this was only $600 more and put him all in. The son of bitch CALLS ME. I mentioned earlier how he hits his cards....he turned a king to beat me and took a big chunk back. I could tell it saved his kid’s Christmas and it didn’t hurt me too badly to be sucked out on, but to end this story. I brought him back down to earth and he is absolutely TERRIFIED to be in hands with me now. Love it!
I must also mention that novice players stand nearly ZERO chance of taking him down. He is the best reader of people that I have ever laid eyes on. Another reason I terrify him is that he absolutely can’t get a read on me to save his life. I’m a stone at the table lol. Happy grinding.
And before he turned that king, I was going to cover what he needed for Christmas as well. I wasn’t going to deny his family a nice Christmas. He routinely wins $10k weekly in our room destroying people. Just not me :)
Aggressive players are way easier to play against rather than nitty patient players because at least the aggressive guy puts money in the middle w o a real hand. Just sit tight till you make or catch a hand and set him up for a big pot down the road. Meaning let them bet you off marginal hands by folding until you know you have him beat and then check raise or check call. Hammer any flush or draw boards pre river and don’t let The sombitch get any cheap looks unless you’re holding the nuts already
A lot of what you said is bullshit. I dont call them loose agressive. I call them maniacs. You are acting as if the problem lies with the hero when in fact the very nature of playing a maniac style is to make your opponent play outside of their comfort zone. The decisions they make are now final. Why in the hell would you lay that on the "normal" player? If the BB is 200 and they are dropping a 2000 raise preflop and you have 2500 why the hell would you play back with QT? Makes zero sense. If you call the maniacs 2000 raise and miss you are toast every time because the very next bet puts you all in. Ready to go home? THATS how they do business. Even if you fully know that the maniac is playing 60% and raising 100% of that 60%, you cant call or raise with most hands. The maniac narrows your range. Of all playing styles maniacs have busted me the most. So instead of giving this esoteric "learn about yourself" kind of answer, why not deal with the reality? Pretty weak Alec.
Play passively. Let villain bet your good hands for you. Call, call, call. Only raise in position when you have him crushed on the river. After a few times, he will respect your calls and find someone else to pick on.
good pt. to add to that, make sure that you have a calling hand and have some kind of read on him. bc once in a while he will have monster and u dont want to stack off
of course you will stack off occasionally, but that's poker. i mean, just today i flopped a boat with pocket 3s and got paid off handsomely...it happens!
B. Alvn that sounds good in theory. If you are in position of him he will not be Ass aggressive and willing to fire 3 streets at you. Exploiting an opponent usually happens when you have position on him. When you are oop it is mostly about protecting your self from being exploited. With a lag his strategy should and will be to exploit you in spots that you will be more Inclined to play your hand fast or you risk losing his action and at the same time where he can put you in a vulnerable spot to make you uneasy. This will leave that opponent oop with medium strength hands and what this would mean is protect your range oop and in those spots check 100% of your range. Only off the table work can aid you with this.
I read your comment after I wrote mine but yeah we're pretty much saying the same thing
Stacked a maniac last night with King Kong, sent him to the atm. It felt amazing.
I've watched just about all of your videos, and I found this one to be the most valuable. Thanks for the great content!
"By internalizing what you're seeing, you can use that as a reflection to understand how you can help your own game by maybe seeing some of your weaknesses through the actions of the other opponent. Because, if it's working against you, you maybe have a weakness that perhaps needs to be combatted." ~ Alec Torelli 3:50
yes McGavel1 ...that is a essential quote to highlight.
100% true statement
Great video. Also, a player has a choice as well, as you know whether to play at a very loose table or loose player. Poker can be like choosing stocks- choose to play the game/market with choosing stocks with higher volatility and more risk, or choose or change tables in Hope's of your game style with conservative players Loose players can he harder to figure out...so I like to either tighten up if you have time to and it will hopefully pay off. I guess it's all preference to decide to tighten up or change table. I look at players like stocks to figure out their image. Alex makes great points in the video. Thanks for the great tips and good luck to all!
Playing against Aggressive opponents is a basically simple strategy,- but often takes a lot of patience something many players don't have. You simply wait for a better than average hand against them, and check/call to the river. If bluffing, they will slow down or even check by the turn, if they catch anything at all even a mediocre drawing hand they will usually continue to blast away. In this case, you need to have the nuts or very close to it to continue against aggressive Opponent's who will often even push on the flop if they even catch a reasonable draw. Not true for every situation, but very typical.
This is true even to this day.
wow this is strong information and this is how I improved over many years and allowed me to stay ahead of the curve in online poker.
im aggressive as long as i dont fly off the handle, then i take cover by checking and folding. sometimes you gotta raise big enough to make your opponents check to you out of caution
hey alec, would love to see a vid on dealing with huge downswings and getting your confidence back
Excellent explanation how to play vs tougher more aggressive opponents.
Simply put: the closer a player plays GTO the more you have to play the same way. This should result in a 0EV situation.
So, we can not afford to let them play better than us by playing out of position." Epic quote and dialogue around it! 7:40
I suggest playing the Cepheus poker bot for your readers. It's LHE, but it's a great way for people to see what a computer with no strategical weaknesses does with certain hands on certain textures.
When it comes to poker in general, Alec is 100% right. Starting with better hands than most, and a range that can get to showdown on most textures, is a winning strategy. It may be boring to look at KTs or 55 from MP and fold, but that strong range is going to force good players to give up in a lot of spots.
+Joe Regan Thanks for recc. Joe. Feel free to engage more, I can see you have some solid poker base there! Check out Hello Alec as community appreciate good hand analysis as well.
i partially agree. learning how to play mediocre hands and play creatively is very important if you want to be the best. that said, if you are comfortable with playing better hands than the most and ok with the money ur making, hey who am i to argue. i think i heard somewhere tight is right.
Thank you Alex! that helps
if your opponent is better than you and/or making you miserable at the table, just leave. keep it simple. you cant play well if you're not feeling at least ok.
sharks are fish too
Thank you Alec. Great advice.
ABC approach is how I almost always play. It works, but I feel like I’m leaving money behind. Trying to play more aggressive at lower blind tables now
Great vid!
hey Alec, what coffee did you have before making the video? ... I wouldn't mind being that energized once in a while . ; )
Good (The internalising part)
Thanks Siva.
"So, we can not afford to let [LAGs or people near our skill level] play better than us by playing out of position - we're just killing ourselves there. But, even in position, we want to be really really strong with the hands we enter the pot with. Now, entering the pot is the foundation of poker, but what do you do postflop? You want to play a *really solid foundational approach* to this player [LAGs]. So, that means that, no matter what you make, your opponent really can't exploit you too much." ~ 7:49
+McGavel1 "There's not really a strategy that beats a player who only plays the top 10% of hands..." ~ 9:46
if its that easy everyone would play top 10% of hands and be winners. this maybe true up to 5-10nl live bc there are enough bad players to make money from. however, in higher limits playing solid doesnt mean much, i think. as doyle brunson said, cant play nl too tight or too loose. play it situationally.
Man, great point about how although we sometimes feel like the LAG will know when we get a hand, until they give us a sign that they've changed their opinion of us or style of play vs us, there's no reason to think the LAG will all of a sudden shutdown when we start betting...Since we've BEEN betting and it hasn't been working :)
McGavel1 Thanks!
+Alec Torelli No, thank you!!!
Great video. Thank you.
stephen saunders Of course Stephen, glad you like it, and thanks for the kind words!
I have a group of friends that I play with a lot, and I originally was playing super well, and was up like 5x more than the net biggest winner (over many games). Now all of a sudden, I'm losing more and more, to the point where I'm barely in first. Its frusterating because my friend who was in last place by soooo much is now moving up the ranks and is in second. He is a LAG, and it seems ill get pocket queens, call his ridiculous bet, he will have a 6 and a 9 , and then get a full house and win. It is soooooo frustrating, and I need help.
Thanks AT!!!
Yeah I did play solid hand in position against better & unpredictable players. Just like your tips & definitely help. Awesome tips..!
Thanks Karona :)
yes but we would love to see and example :D love ur videos
Very helpful. Thanks Alec.
Thanks Sea!
I think what you are talking about at the end is known as the gap concept. You need a better hand to call a better player but you can widen the gap when a weaker player raises the pot. You could reraise with AK. Whereas you might want to fold that against a much better player. Someone who plays the top ten hands could have you crushed when an ace or king hits the flop and you are all in with top pair top kicker against aces or kings. Some of the time you are splitting the pot with AK but most of the time you are dominated. I see it all the time in online cash games. I've learned to fold AK to a rock... hahaha. For one thing they don't pay you off if you hit and they don't bluff so it's pointless.
Hi Alec, online it isnt difficult to monitor and try to balance your range of hands and actions in each position and situation. In live poker how do you balance your play? I know in one of D Sklanski books he advocated using the second hand of your watch for deciding a raise and a call in spots where each move is an option. What do you do?
dont get that second hand of watch thang
nice one Traheo
Cesc Fabregas?
I've had good results loosening up against agro opponents. If they C-bet 100% of the time you have no reason to suspect he/she has a hand (considering they'll miss 2/3 of flops on average). Once they see you're willing to call them down with king high (and win) they'll slow their agression vs you, or at least pick better spots to bluff. LAGS and Agro fish can be very profitable!
Keep in mind you can lose a hand in order to create an image for other players, raise with nothing, lose a little, so when you have the nuts they're more likely to call.
the bicep / shoulder flex at 2:48 tilted me. your aggression put me on TH-cam tilt bro.
ur focusing on the messenger not the message...not that theres anything wrong with that
You must be broke by now? what do you now?clean tables?
Had a maniac lag to my left today really annoying me. I got AA in hole, A flopped w a straight draw by the river. I checked thinking he would shove, which he did but I was pretty sure he was blowing air. I called and took his stack. He left me alone after that. Lol!
Last table I was at was an unfriendly table full of limpers and boy was it a shit show. I thought I would do just fine, played really tight but every time I had a hand everyone folded. Then I decided to go nuts with KJ and raised post flop and jammed. It was a bluff. Twenty hands at least I didn't play before this and a guy called me with a four in his hand and won. There was a four on the flop, and it was bottom pair. I need to learn to get up from the table when I'm not feeling it.
Great video Alec, I really enjoy all of your posts and your website.
Can you recommend some books to read that you've read to develop your skills? I have Moorman's book, I think it's ok =\
Nhan Nguyen Hey Nhan,
Thanks for the kind words.
To be honest I never benefitted much from poker books on strategy, which is why I just wrote my own :)
It's called 'The Four Steps to Beating Anyone at Poker' and will be available for limited release later this month. If you're interested check back on my blog www.alectorelli.com in a few days and subscribe. I'll shoot out an email when it comes available.
That being said, for non strategy poker content you should absolutely read Tommy Angelo's Elements of Poker.
Alec
great video
whoa whoa whoa! You said the S word!!! 3:40
think about it this way, the strategy for playing against a NIT is to loosen up and force more folds, why would your advice vs an aggressive player be to play more tight (nitty)? The two strategies are contradictory.
Playin aggressive players is like Ali fighting George foreman. B patient and wait for ur attack. Let them think u a tight player. It works for me. Playin tight give u alot of chances to bluff bc they only think u have something when u are aggressive
Basic abc approach is always bet, 10 and up, no low numbers at all against this players
I am very new to the Game But this how I play Aggressive opponents. one on one start at the min chip size you will see who that player is and how they bet, 2 if after 5 hands all thy do 4 bet and 5 bet
stop and walk away poker is not a diced game. 2 now if you get a Aggressive opponents that will
play to the flop with out a big bet most likely you will when with a good hand now that same Aggressive opponents will start to see losses to many hand and now your up by half your min start chips now you should see this Aggressive opponents start to 4 bet and start to go all in all most all the time
this when you must leave do not bet and walk away . 3.Aggressive opponents do not value chips
they have a big winning ego winning is every thing to a aggressive opponents.
by walking away you are taking there chips and that is a lost to the aggressive opponents and
miss there mind up to see you start at the min and end up at two time more then you started with chips
it there chips your walking away with. ? Now if I can figure out how to play aggressive opponents and players that play as a team at 6 hand and 9 hand game let me know I think I have some idea on how to win its not a easy game to play . For the simple reason aggressive opponents and other do not value chips they reload like its no big deal.
great vid bra.
Your a great player Alec but I disagree
More often then not you will both miss the flop if you fold out when you miss he will take most pots and he will be able to get away when you hit
I say play him in position and float his first 2 barrels if you raised pre you likely have over card which can approve and he is unlikely to fire a third barrel after you call the first 2
The dude made millions playing poker, you didn't, why should we listen to you.
different play styles my dude, I totally agree with mr Pool Service & Leak Detection. Loosen your calling range, understand spots where they're going to bet 100% of the time and know that 66% of the time that will probably be a bluff (2/3rds of the time a hand will miss the flop)
I played with a real maníac once... 7/10 he was bluffing so i waited i waited i waited and fucked half of his chips with pocket 5s then he was taking more chips again entered a pot with J8s on the River he bets all in, but something was wrong about the hand so i called the Guy had Air and he got eliminated with J high lol
As always the key here is patience, make your Range wider and trap him they Will fall
So you should play close to GTO against good regs and exploitive against weakers players
Loose aggressive players in low stakes --> Summary... just play tighter???
In my limited experience these players tend to have big winning nights but over time lose money. Is this thinking correct?
If poker is a language, then learning another language will help a person with poker, no? Music and math are also languages. GL ALL 2016!!! Thanks again for these powerful tips.
you should have like 1M subs
Thanks for the support!
You're making insanely too much sense, this is great insight. I like how you cut to the chase in your lessons.
McGavel1 I really got a lot out of this one:
"Maybe it's time to start thinking about WHY is he playing that style against me? WHAT does him playing that style against me tell me about myself?...Maybe he figured out that's the best way to play against me...So, by internalizing what you're seeing, you can use that as a reflection to understand how you can help your own game by maybe seeing some of your weaknesses THROUGH the action of the other opponent. Because if it's working against you, it means you have a weakness that perhaps needs to be combated."
true, but against that player you'll always be hoping for a premium hand and then if he calls your raise you'll also be hoping to hit the flop..and if you don't..then you'll be dreading the check raise again...I feel way too card dependent against those players..so my answer is, avoid him unless I have a shoving hand ..and use his style against players with a similar 'cautious' style to myself.
So basically, if you have an over aggressive player, you should only play your good hands?
My question is why is being an aggressive poker play so “villianish?” I play aggressive. What’s so horrible about this strategy?
I hate those wannabe tough players who allways call a reraise and call simply everything when i miss. And then when i move allin they suddenly have a bigger hand. Fn hate that.
Or they even call with maximum a 3d pair when i move allin. Or with big blinds they raise 3 times the big blind numerous times and i simply have to have a hand. Like i said then i move in with an ace and they have a higher ace or a pp. And when i raise with some ace they reraise me and i cant call cause its just a rag. THen when i actually have a hand they fold. THE FCK! :p
Im talkin about itm sng. Tx for ur vids btw. Allready helped me a lot!
Floor, table change!
You just hide the high denomation chips
Steven C Don't use words you can't spell
1. Have a bankroll
2. Play your cards and not his bets. 3. Don't tilt vs somebody on a heater. If he's been getting cards on the flop, turn and river dont isolate against him. Some guys get cards for weeks. Let somebody else pay him.
4. Change seats when available. Bullies dont like being bullied. As soon as he looses a couple big hands he'll tighten right up. When he does, firmly press your foot on his neck until he tilts.
5. Did i say bankroll??? Ok. We'll bankroll bankroll bankroll
alex where can u find backers
+Sandro Kecalovic Great question Sandro. I discuss this in a bit more detail in my course which you can find here: www.alectorelli.com/foursteppoker/
Not necessarily 'where' to find them but how to create a business plan and attract them. In short, you have to take yourself seriously if you want someone else to. Treat it like a business.
tanks alec did u read about some off the hand that i have played and folds i made let me know i am intrested in knowing what your thought prossess is on some off disisions i made imade 2 folds that i never see pros or anybody else make first hand i had j 8 suited in the big blind 1 2 cash game thats the game i play any ways j8 big blind under the gun limps 2 off calls 1 off cut off raises to 12 and evrybody completes the flop comes j85 2 clubs nice so it goes check all the way to the guy who raised he bet 25 i make it 60 and evrybody folds to the small blind that makes it 200 ithought about it for about 30 seconds and folded she sowed me pocet 55s second hand i limp 2 off under the gun with a 10 off spades evry body folds but small blind who is playing ewry hand who makes it 15 and me and big blind complete the board comes ace 10 5 rainbow small blind c bets to 30 big blind calls and i raise with the top 2 to 80 dollars nowit gets weird again the loose player goes 200 hudred and big blind goes all in for 300 hundred total i had 200 behind but i put the big blind on only one hand that beats me pocet 55 nice i folded after anoying tankig thoughts after 2 minutes small blind snaped off and they show there hands ace 5 small b and pocet 55 big blind for thouse stakes on the flop i dont c people doing that tell me what u think
nice vid
My favorite player to go up against is insanely aggressive. A fantastic card player that just gets so LUCKY. I have to give him full credit that he’s both good and his risks are CALCULATED but it’s uncanny how often he rivers people, myself included.
He knows i calculate pot odds and compare the ratio of my draws to my odds and make the most equitable decision. When he picked up on this, he started pricing me out of large pots. I picked up on it immediately.
I formulated a plan. He would always price me out on the river and inevitably he would get the right bluff card to do so more often than not. I decided to NEVER play out of position and to control the size of the pots. I then ALLOWED HIM to price me out semi regularly acting as if I just couldn’t do anything...the pot odds just weren’t there and I couldn’t call him down. This went on to the tune of almost 2 grand over two months. I let it go on....until the night I didn’t on a $7,000 pot.....he made a $3k bet on the river. I had become extremely good at reading him over the 2 months and I knew he had absolutely NOTHING. I snap called him. He looked as though he was about to throw up when he turned over K5((king high) ...he looked like he had seen a ghost when I turned AJ(ace high.)jaws hit the floor and the ONLY emotion I’ve ever shown when winning pot came out....I beat my chest once and let out a low grunt....and tipped the dealer $50. That pot truly hurt him financially. It was 2 days before Christmas....but I went for the kill on the final hand of the night...
Playing 4 handed...I look down at Pocket aces...I raise $300, he raises to $600, I raise to $1200 and then he starts talking....it was seduced and even admitted I had aces and he had Kong’s....I threw down $2,000....he had reloaded with about $1800 so this was only $600 more and put him all in. The son of bitch CALLS ME. I mentioned earlier how he hits his cards....he turned a king to beat me and took a big chunk back. I could tell it saved his kid’s Christmas and it didn’t hurt me too badly to be sucked out on, but to end this story. I brought him back down to earth and he is absolutely TERRIFIED to be in hands with me now. Love it!
I must also mention that novice players stand nearly ZERO chance of taking him down. He is the best reader of people that I have ever laid eyes on. Another reason I terrify him is that he absolutely can’t get a read on me to save his life. I’m a stone at the table lol.
Happy grinding.
And before he turned that king, I was going to cover what he needed for Christmas as well. I wasn’t going to deny his family a nice Christmas. He routinely wins $10k weekly in our room destroying people. Just not me :)
Aggressive players are way easier to play against rather than nitty patient players because at least the aggressive guy puts money in the middle w o a real hand. Just sit tight till you make or catch a hand and set him up for a big pot down the road. Meaning let them bet you off marginal hands by folding until you know you have him beat and then check raise or check call. Hammer any flush or draw boards pre river and don’t let The sombitch get any cheap looks unless you’re holding the nuts already
Shud you bet bottom pair on the flop if your in position and 2 players check to you.
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If you put them in their place once or twice they'll find someone else to mess with.
Weird bathroom door lock. But I kinda like it
lol those were the days.
Vayo against Qui?
Lag guys hit the board with dumb hands.
You beat aggressive play with aggression of your own. Why would you give the advice of letting them bully?
Loosey goosey
Why do you need to apologise for your gym clothes???
A lot of what you said is bullshit.
I dont call them loose agressive. I call them maniacs.
You are acting as if the problem lies with the hero when in fact the very nature of playing a maniac style is to make your opponent play outside of their comfort zone.
The decisions they make are now final.
Why in the hell would you lay that on the "normal" player?
If the BB is 200 and they are dropping a 2000 raise preflop and you have 2500 why the hell would you play back with QT? Makes zero sense.
If you call the maniacs 2000 raise and miss you are toast every time because the very next bet puts you all in.
Ready to go home?
THATS how they do business.
Even if you fully know that the maniac is playing 60% and raising 100% of that 60%, you cant call or raise with most hands.
The maniac narrows your range.
Of all playing styles maniacs have busted me the most.
So instead of giving this esoteric "learn about yourself" kind of answer, why not deal with the reality?
Pretty weak Alec.
I am sorry to say this, but you talked so much that I got confused. Maybe you better talk less and answer the question
Great video! Thank you.