I want to do this to my Washburn 332 but it's signed by Dimebag and all the original members of Pantera and I don't want to screw it up and end up having to swap the neck to another body. The back of the neck and headstock are signed. From 2001. It's a guitar I paid $4500 for and means a lot to me. I'd love to find a professional like you to do it for me.
@@jasonbeamon2292 I know but at the same time it just doesn't feel right without the Floyd Rose. But I'm going to have to do a little work to save the signatures anyway cuz the back of the neck has like a poly coat that has a couple small chips and when that stuff peels the signatures will go with it. I kinda wonder if I just put another coat in it if it'll save it.
@@danvex_ It doesn't work that way. Putting a Floyd Rose on some guitars, (especially vintage) would devalue them substantially, and make it hard to sell. Keep in mind this is one of the few mods that is irreversible. Not much loss on a cheap guitar.
@@qua7771 I mean, if we speak from standpoint of the maker/seller of gear that he modded - feels like it would mean somewhat value to them, hence they could try asking more, but overall I get what you mean, as modifying good ol' model would nearly ruin its authenticity
@@danvex_ Metal heads say tone doesn't matter, and the more gain, and FX you use, it's true. I have two Floyd Rose guitars that I rarely use unless I need the whammy. I wouldn't put one on any expensive guitar. That's for sure.
That's a really cool routing jig you made, I'm borrowing that idea for sure thanks! I've been using MDF templates and that stupid double sided tape for years.
The only issue is guitars made with two piece bridge set up neck is set at an angle to allow for the string height. As can be seen at the end of this video when you see how high off the body the Floyd is to compensate this. I do like the routing jig! That was legit!!
Great job. I have been wanting to do this as a lot of the ml 79 guitars are way cheaper with the tune o matic bridges than the ones with Floyd’s. That and the Chicago series and exotic, which I loved did not have the option of trem systems
I would like to know how you made that router sled. Do you have a link or a pdf? I have a v I'm currently working on and I made some homemade routing templates. Hopefully they're done right. Lol. I'd like to make a similar setup to what you've got there.
Ay man awesome job, I just routed my string thru guitar and am having major problems with string height, I recessed it into the body and seems to be way too low for the neck angle, any words of wisdom you can float my way !?
Did the guitar already come with a tilted neck? Or was the neck high enough already for you to be able to lift the Floyd high enough to pull back and still maintain a good action? I’m confused I always assumed top mounted Floyd’s should have a tilted neck to compensate for the lack of space
I wanna do this, but im scared about routing all the way thru the body. When i route the trem claw cavity, i dont want to route all the way thru to the pick up cavity, and advice for avoiding this?
As long as the hole is wide enough to allow for the trem block to move forward and backward yes it will allow for dumping and raising of the bar. And this guys job would allow for that. A lot of the dean USA run of dime guitars had top mount Floyd’s like this.
Careful with the top mounted Floyds tho if u want this, yes you can def do dime squeals on them but if you pull back too hard your locking screws for the strings on the bridge can hit your body and leave it damaged cosmetically (if u care). But if u want a better way to do it then Look for a “fully recessed” Floyd, has an area milled out behind the Floyd giving you more motion to pull back on the Floyd and raise the pitch much higher. My ML has one and it’s so killer for Dime squeals
@@danielmonks285 idk I just got a chance to play a top mounted Floyd on a USA ml and the range of motion was noticeably further on the top mount vs my late 90’s deans. The neck angle is different on fixed bridge guitars vs recessed Floyd ones. That’s why it’s not necessary for fixed bridge guitars that are converted into Floyd’s to have a recess. The bridge will sit about a half in higher than it does on a recessed guitar because of how the neck is angled.
awesome video! this is exactly what i’ve been looking for, question tho, did you make that router guide yourself or did you buy it from somewhere? looks really nice
Да всё там нормально, по типу установки флойдов от Caparison и Grover Jackson custom. Тем кто на тюноматиках привык вообще кайф То же самое проделал со своим Dean ml usa, всё супер. Есть так же второй дин с низким Флойдом, разницы нет просто берешь и играешь. Собственно у Дайбега Дарелла половина низко а половина гитар с высоким Флойдом....
I’m a Luther of over 25 years and I have done tons of work on tremolos I don’t understanding why someone would do this to this guitar you just killed the value of the guitar I hope you gave that information to the customer I got to give you props for installing a Floyd rose with a brass block so it’s not a total loss.
It's actually one of the few mods that add value to your used guitar(as long as it's a real OG floyd or Schaller). As a luthier you should understand that people have different tastes in their instruments.
If you're a luthier of 25 years and if after all that time you're a snob about some very cleanly done work on guitars that don't belong to you, you've been in the wrong line of work the entire time. Kirk Hammett plays Greeny on stage (gasp, I know), some people put Floyd Roses in old Dean guitars, and no one cares if you don't like it.
Not the way i would have done it ,i have a floyd pattern , tape it on and route the entire space route alittle over a 1/4 " ,install the Floyd, youre good, ive put a couple of Floyds on guitars i have a strat for one and i re routed a wolfgang standard the reason you want to route 1/4" inch is so you pull up on the floyd ,the one in the video is only good for dive only thats why i re did my wolfgang so i could pull up as well, its not that hard to do it buy a pattern and route the space out fairly easy to say the least ,take care and stay safe,,,later
I want to do this to my Washburn 332 but it's signed by Dimebag and all the original members of Pantera and I don't want to screw it up and end up having to swap the neck to another body. The back of the neck and headstock are signed. From 2001. It's a guitar I paid $4500 for and means a lot to me. I'd love to find a professional like you to do it for me.
I would say don’t lol that guitar is a piece of history
Have you considered a Floyd Rose FRX? As long as they are set up right, they can be very good.
@@jasonbeamon2292 I know but at the same time it just doesn't feel right without the Floyd Rose. But I'm going to have to do a little work to save the signatures anyway cuz the back of the neck has like a poly coat that has a couple small chips and when that stuff peels the signatures will go with it. I kinda wonder if I just put another coat in it if it'll save it.
@@brianw.6718 yea I get that
Hang it on the wall and buy one with a floyd rose
not been feeling comfortable doing this to my Dean ML but now seeing you do this on a Dean V I think I'm ready !!!!!
How'd it go???
@@cgcfadhopefully better than it did in this video 😬
@@fazefusion2220it ended up workin pretty well, I dropped a Schaller made Floyd Rose made in 1981 in the ML!
@@cgcfad pretty well! got a even nicer playing guitar
@@spittingsteel_X2did you the the original poles from the hard tail bridge to mount the Floyd?? I’m scared to do this
No words spoken, yet probably one of the best installation video's i've seen, nice and up close
This video is a true psychological thriller. I was so worried, it was like it was my guitar. Good job👍
One of the few additions that adds more price/value to the guitar - great job! Really like how you've managed the entire modification
Not really.
@@qua7771 it's still time and money spent to do that, hence the higher cost of the item in the end - that's my personal logic I went by
@@danvex_ It doesn't work that way. Putting a Floyd Rose on some guitars, (especially vintage) would devalue them substantially, and make it hard to sell. Keep in mind this is one of the few mods that is irreversible. Not much loss on a cheap guitar.
@@qua7771 I mean, if we speak from standpoint of the maker/seller of gear that he modded - feels like it would mean somewhat value to them, hence they could try asking more, but overall I get what you mean, as modifying good ol' model would nearly ruin its authenticity
@@danvex_ Metal heads say tone doesn't matter, and the more gain, and FX you use, it's true. I have two Floyd Rose guitars that I rarely use unless I need the whammy. I wouldn't put one on any expensive guitar. That's for sure.
That's a really cool routing jig you made, I'm borrowing that idea for sure thanks! I've been using MDF templates and that stupid double sided tape for years.
The only issue is guitars made with two piece bridge set up neck is set at an angle to allow for the string height. As can be seen at the end of this video when you see how high off the body the Floyd is to compensate this. I do like the routing jig! That was legit!!
Brilliant routing jigs. Great job!
Great job. I have been wanting to do this as a lot of the ml 79 guitars are way cheaper with the tune o matic bridges than the ones with Floyd’s. That and the Chicago series and exotic, which I loved did not have the option of trem systems
Great jig
At 0:38 , what is the name of the tool you are using? For the fretboard lenght
Best thing about this video is the jig
I'd like a better pic of that router sled if possible. I need to build one myself for this exact project.
Awesome job and like the Tool 46&2 vibe with the music 🤘🏻
It’s an existing tool song
Is there a way to cover these holes to pass the strings through the instrument?
Great tutorial, Thanks! Do you have a tutorial for building the trimmer routing table you are using?
Thanx, no router tutorial yet.
I would like to know how you made that router sled. Do you have a link or a pdf? I have a v I'm currently working on and I made some homemade routing templates. Hopefully they're done right. Lol. I'd like to make a similar setup to what you've got there.
Ay man awesome job, I just routed my string thru guitar and am having major problems with string height, I recessed it into the body and seems to be way too low for the neck angle, any words of wisdom you can float my way !?
That's a sweet jig you got there! I bet that wake it nice and easy!
Is this how dimebag darrell did it? can you pull back on the bar and dove down ?
Yes, ther's a lot of room to do it.
@@bakalika1Awesome; i’m looking forward to this project on an ML! do you just disregard the truss rod cover, or do you make a new one?
What size drill bit for the Floyd studs. I’m building a guitar and can’t find what size to drill the holes
Did the guitar already come with a tilted neck? Or was the neck high enough already for you to be able to lift the Floyd high enough to pull back and still maintain a good action? I’m confused I always assumed top mounted Floyd’s should have a tilted neck to compensate for the lack of space
Awesome job!
how much does something like that cost, say for a Gibson Flying V?
I wanna do this, but im scared about routing all the way thru the body. When i route the trem claw cavity, i dont want to route all the way thru to the pick up cavity, and advice for avoiding this?
You can measure the thickness of your guitar body than measure how deep the pickup cavities are and go a few cm above that.
I'm pretty sure Floyd Rose has instructions on the dimensions the rout needs to be for installation
Hey man i wanna do a project like this but i want to know if you can dump the bar down and then pull up to hit those dimebag harmonics
As long as the hole is wide enough to allow for the trem block to move forward and backward yes it will allow for dumping and raising of the bar. And this guys job would allow for that. A lot of the dean USA run of dime guitars had top mount Floyd’s like this.
yes, there's enough space to move in both directions.
Careful with the top mounted Floyds tho if u want this, yes you can def do dime squeals on them but if you pull back too hard your locking screws for the strings on the bridge can hit your body and leave it damaged cosmetically (if u care). But if u want a better way to do it then Look for a “fully recessed” Floyd, has an area milled out behind the Floyd giving you more motion to pull back on the Floyd and raise the pitch much higher. My ML has one and it’s so killer for Dime squeals
@@danielmonks285 idk I just got a chance to play a top mounted Floyd on a USA ml and the range of motion was noticeably further on the top mount vs my late 90’s deans. The neck angle is different on fixed bridge guitars vs recessed Floyd ones. That’s why it’s not necessary for fixed bridge guitars that are converted into Floyd’s to have a recess. The bridge will sit about a half in higher than it does on a recessed guitar because of how the neck is angled.
I couldn't see. Did you have to shim the locking nut?
No, metal on wood ..no shim..
What tool song is this?
How do you make that router jig???
DIY stuff...wood board, two Optical axis from ebay and little bit creation.
Thanks so much
I have a Dean just like this one. A Floyd would be awesome on it.
Where are you located?
Skopje, North Macedonia, Europe
awesome video! this is exactly what i’ve been looking for, question tho, did you make that router guide yourself or did you buy it from somewhere? looks really nice
Can it be done on a LP?
The sound track kills. Is it TOOL ?
Gran trabajo! Felicidades!
Как вы собираетесь на ней играть? Струны очень высоко, поэтому придётся опираится рукой на флойд, что будет портить звук.
Да всё там нормально, по типу установки флойдов от Caparison и Grover Jackson custom.
Тем кто на тюноматиках привык вообще кайф
То же самое проделал со своим Dean ml usa, всё супер.
Есть так же второй дин с низким Флойдом, разницы нет просто берешь и играешь.
Собственно у Дайбега Дарелла половина низко а половина гитар с высоким Флойдом....
Amazing... Dimebag Darrell, 80's, Technique... \m/
What tool did you use to make those cuts? awesome vid btw!
imagine doing this for a guitarist like kurt 💀
Well done. No big build up and gabbing on and on incessantly. Just doin work.
Nice job! Did you make the routing system yourself?
yeap, very cheap, very useful
great job mate
I've always thought top mounted Floyd's sound better than recessed. JMO.
Can I send my 12 year old son his dime ml to do this?
WELL DONE!
What a great routing jig. I want one of this.😂
Enter in the video and hearing tool IS awesome
Great music track. Tool - Descending.
Great mudding
*Awesome 🙋🏻♂️🇧🇷👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻*
Nothing about adjusting the neck angle or height.
NICE router sled!
This guitar is like if the far beyond driven ML was a flying V
I fuckin love tool!!! Im taking some mushrooms after this n rocking that album!!
I’m a Luther of over 25 years and I have done tons of work on tremolos I don’t understanding why someone would do this to this guitar you just killed the value of the guitar I hope you gave that information to the customer I got to give you props for installing a Floyd rose with a brass block so it’s not a total loss.
It's actually one of the few mods that add value to your used guitar(as long as it's a real OG floyd or Schaller). As a luthier you should understand that people have different tastes in their instruments.
If you're a luthier of 25 years and if after all that time you're a snob about some very cleanly done work on guitars that don't belong to you, you've been in the wrong line of work the entire time.
Kirk Hammett plays Greeny on stage (gasp, I know), some people put Floyd Roses in old Dean guitars, and no one cares if you don't like it.
oh no a 500usd dean v79 was "devalued" by a Floyd Rose Locking Tremolo, what ever shall we do now
Nice job. Metal guitars just look much better with Floyds on them
Headstock paper thin now.
NIce chamba
Not the way i would have done it ,i have a floyd pattern , tape it on and route the entire space route alittle over a 1/4 " ,install the Floyd, youre good, ive put a couple of Floyds on guitars i have a strat for one and i re routed a wolfgang standard the reason you want to route 1/4" inch is so you pull up on the floyd ,the one in the video is only good for dive only thats why i re did my wolfgang so i could pull up as well, its not that hard to do it buy a pattern and route the space out fairly easy to say the least ,take care and stay safe,,,later
These fixed bridge Dean guitars may have enough neck angle that the top mount Floyd will still allow you to pull up.
You have to put a lot of b***s into doing that to a guitar like that.
que porqueria
This is not oke at all 😢
Instead of ruining a gorgeous guitar by doing that, why not just buy a guitar with a Floyd Rose on?
Just buy a guitar with one equiped and don’t ruin a beautiful guitar cutting holes in it
A gold bridge would have looked better on the first guitar.
WOW Great way to ruin a nice set neck Dean V. You can't buy this guitar anymore.
Great work!