* joins a podcast full of strangers who have been criticizing his video for hours * _"This might be kind of cowardly, but..."_ * proceeds to fairly analyze, accept criticism for, revise, and retract parts of his old arguments * Buddy, this is the exact opposite of "cowardly." Well done.
@@MistbornTaylor Right? Anyone should be nervous knowing they're about to debate three neurotic content creators. Breathe the wrong way or slur a single word and Rags will unleash the ad hominems. Typoh done good.
@@apocryphicdeath You've apparently never seen EFAP actually debate anybody... Twin Perfect is the closest thing to what you described, yet that "debate" only went so sour because Twin Perfect utterly *refused* to show any integrity. Even when you go all the way back to the Maj0rLee debate, EFAP didn't act like what you're describing at all. I think you've misremembered something. I recently binged just about all of EFAP's debates (even the dreaded "Prequel Debate") and I think you should just go back and re-listen to them, because you might be getting them confused with someone else's debates.
@@eidolon1426 i think he’s just one of the endless people who think ad hominem and rudeness/insults are synonymous, yes Rags can be a bit of a dick sometimes, but he does not use insults to discredit arguments from opponents, he just tends to like to talk shit and make character judgements in addition to shooting down arguments
The ice caps melting is supposed to add enough water to devastate coasts around the world but a celestial emerging from the core of the planet isn't even news worthy.
Tiamut has to displace billions of gallons of water, considering its size. And since they say the thing is in the Indian Ocean in the film, pretty sure island and costal nations in the area would have been flooded and destroyed the first time it twitched a muscle.
@@liliesaregoodfortheliver2954 the massive earthquakes should have made tsunamis happen all over the world, avalanches where ever it could happen, massive splits in the earth swallowing buildings. Unless you lived halfway around the world, in a flat and stable area far from the coast and preferably a few tens of meters above sea level the events of that movie would be the worst catastrophe of your life. Bye bye to the hundreds of millions of people almost instantly gone in South Asia from the tsunamis wiping out Indonesia and all the other islands in that area.
i really dont get this point that people have been parroting over and over. half of all life disappeared for five years. i think everybody is just chilling and are desensitized by this point of the mcu. and just because you didnt see a news channel in the mcu talking about it, doesn't mean the world of the mcu isn't reacting to it. but honestly all i needed to say was that first thing about half of the universe being gone and then coming back. sometimes i feel like people say things just to feel like they're saying something but know that if they thought about it for one second, they'd realize, but ultimately wouldn't care.
I think the dude has a point about nobody talking about marvel anymore. Ive worked in the same place for 4 years now, same group of guys that talked about thanos, endgame and Ironman. Nobody mentioned ANYTHING from phase 4, only no way home. Nobody talked about eternals, shang chi, any Disney+ shows
Post-NWH the only talk I hear is Obi-Wan, Top Gun, and Boys S3. No one talks about MoM or even Thor. In my work circle, fucking Mario has more hype than anything marvel, just cuz we know Mario will at least be amusing ironically, if not as good as Sonic 2
I believe you. I’m in the military and everyone from ages 18-36 only talk about anime. Not just males but almost every female does too. No one talk about marvel or dc at all. They are never mentioned
I stopped watching the live broadcast right before he showed up. Like he minute before. So this is the first I learned of him being in the stream. That's crazy timing
Its cool he came on the stream.. but damn.. dude needs to stop slamming the keys on his keyboard. Or at least mute himself between comments.. but he is learning so I hope he keeps going and learns and improves
Timestamps 0:00 PREEFAP 4:41 Prey 6:05 Bullet Train 9:54 Marvel’s Phase 5 11:16 What’s up today? 12:38 Metal & The Celestial 13:33 JonCJG’s Phase 4 Experience 14:28 Wandavision 17:24 Phase 4 Essays 18:25 What Happened in Phase 4? 31:36 DC Purged Movies 36:42 Patrick William’s Take 39:31 WW84 39:14 Motivations & Money 41:29 WB-Discovery 44:09 DC Animation 46:12 WW & Superman 49:26 Selecting the video 51:29 Video N.1: The MCU Phase 4 Kinda s**ks... a lot (1) 1:08:24 Profitable Movies 1:12:07 Video N.1: The MCU Phase 4 Kinda s**ks... a lot (2) 1:33:34 The MCU Formula 1:37:53 MCU Planning & Structure 1:51:36 Phase 4 1:56:55 DCEU 2:04:12 The Problem With Marvel 2:14:26 Wandavision 2:16:35 Other Marvel TV Series 2:20:00 Set-ups 2:25:40 Dr Strange 2:57:52 Inhumans & Film Rights 2:59:40 The Quality Bar 3:01:25 DCEU 3:03:47 Continuity 3:07:00 Reasons 3:09:00 A Dull Experience 3:11:45 Scorsese 3:34:37 An Unhealthy Idea 3:37:10 Cameo Potential 3:43:13 The Author’s Take 3:46:20 The Innocence 3:48:45 Chronicle 3:49:18 Back to Beginning 3:55:38 The Author Joins EFAP 4:29:10 Nerdstalgic 4:30:40 The Unfortunate Problems Of Marvel Phase 4 4:45:32 Marvel Show Structure 4:49:30 Back To The Video 4:55:10 Back To Basics 5:03:19 The MCU Problem 5:06:05 A Badly Written Phase 5:07:13 A Shakespearean Scale 5:10:20 Battleworld 5:12:08 Eternals 5:13:40 A Bumpy Ride 5:15:38 Setting Up Endings 5:16:37 Conclusions 5:19:05 GDELB 5:26:22 Superchats (1) 5:28:35 Animal of the Day 5:30:40 Wings Quote Of The Day 5:31:21 The Sandman 5:32:46 Pokedex 5:37:55 Marvel Shows Efaps 5:40:01 Superchats (2) 5:42:42 Animal of the day 5:44:42 Lies 5:45:12 Superchats (3) 5:49:44 Sonic (1) 5:51:12 Superchats (4) 5:52:10 Sonic (2) 5:53:03 First Live Efap 5:53:30 Pokemon, Sonic & Yu-gi-oh 6:03:21 Superchats (5) 6:04:21 Yu-gi-oh! 6:06:03 Spiderman, Suicide Squad & Continuity 6:10:40 A New Character in the EFAPCU 6:11:24 Superchats (6) 6:15:57 The Boys 6:20:05 Emotional Movies 6:22:55 Superchats (7) 6:25:19 Pokedex 6:26:56 Superchats (8) 6:55:04 The Boys 7:00:04 Superchats (9) 7:05:26 Pokemon 7:06:26 Superchats (10) 7:08:42 Pokemon 7:11:01 EFAP Monopoly 7:14:52 Superchats (11) 7:30:10 Pokemon 7:31:41 Sonic 7:38:00 Closing
Time Traveler here. In October of 2021 started at EFAP episode 1. On August 15th got to EFAP episode 197. Its been a trip. Lots of memes and good discussions. Glad I caught up before the 200th episode. Its been insane watching each of you evolve as critics, with almost an episode a day i was travelling through your timeline at many times your speed. Now the great question: Plushies when? also: Mauler did you ever notice Rey steals Kylo's ship off death star.... u know, the one that blew up in desert.. with wayfinder still intact inside? noticed that on first viewing. X3
Massive props to Typoh for coming on, always takes a huge amount of bravery to join a call that's been heavily critiquing your work, but to have the self awareness and humble nature to agree with said criticisms is in NO WAY cowardly. That is absolutely the opposite my dude and that sense of growth, and civility is something we desperately need right now in media discussion. Big love my guy! And welcome to the toxic brood!
you notice in phase four a lack of interesting relationships between the characters? iron man had a relationship with captain america because his dad looked up to the captain and he was a little envious, that and they had very different outlooks on the world, and he and black widow sparred as equals in civil war, and he had nothing but disdain for the falcon for what he did to rhodey. captain america related with black widow as a sister in winter soldier, and bossed nick fury without bossing him in winter soldier, and befriended the falcon and stuck by the winter soldier when the world was against him, and was always the guy everyone looked to for direction. hawkeye and black widow were close, but he was also like a big brother to wanda in the absence of wanda's brother, who died saving hawkeye. and on and on.... there's lots of little and big moments tying these characters together as people, and there's a real lack of that in phase four. you can't reasonably assemble a new avengers team without adding all these little moments along the way to tie them together. you can't do it all at the last minute because of a threat. that's boring. it turns the characters into action figures. The Marvels might build a relationship between the women, but they really haven't done anything to tie these new, or newly remade characters, together.
Yeah, even if minor the interconnectedness between the characters between movies adds depth to the universe overall Where with Phase 4 all of the movies are atomized, all the stories are separated with little, if not nothing, connecting them at all. No one talks about the Celestial protruding from the Earth's crust, or Wanda almost destroying the entire multiverse, or that strange lightshow Doctor Strange caused after a bunch of people attacked the Statue of Liberty. You'd think those would be talked about, but I guess not.
They miss out on obvious opportunities as well. White Vision and Hawkeye should have been in Multiverse of Madness. In the comics, Wanda even killed Hawkeye in a fit of madness and that really would have fit very well in this movie. I can imagine a scene where Hawkeye is trying to calm a crazy wanda down by reminding her of Pietro and how he sacrificed himself for Hawkeye and how Hawkeye named his child Nathaniel "Pietro" Barton.
@@annatardlordofderps9181 To be fair, we don't know what order these movies are taking place in. I would not assume they're taking place in release order, especially since the schedule has been rearranged at least a couple times. Many of them are likely taking place close to the same time. So it's hard to tell whether or not characters SHOULD be referencing the events of other movies.
I don't think that's fair. Most of the founding Avengers never met each other until "The Avengers," and all their relationship dynamics were established just within that film. There's no reason that can't be done again with a new version of the team. I don't expect it to be done WELL the way things are going, but it can be done pretty easily. If anything, it should be easier this time since most of them will already be acquainted with each other.
*5 Minutes In* Rags: I'll be right back, I gotta use the loo. *10 Minutes In* Jay: I think I'm gonna head off now. Mauler: We were originally going to cover 4 more videos, and I thought that we would spend 10 minutes on each, 15 tops, but we ended up spending almost 8 hours on the first video, so we're just going to hop right into superchats. Fringy: **Australian Noises**
People are saying the underlying theme of Phase 4 was anything from "guilt and consequences" to "surrogate parenthood." I say the theme was "we don't want to be a united universe anymore and we're not even gonna pretend we are."
I'm going to call it "Rhetorical Madlibbing". It's when the creator/essayist leaves something vague, it being vague leaves the viewer to replace what the creator meant with whatever comes to mind like a game of Madlib. For example: Typoh stated that he felt Marvel was "running on fumes". My immediate thought is to agree because the MCU simply appear creatively bankrupt, unable to write new stories, but the phrase "running on fumes" could imply anything and I could be completely off-base and Typoh _could_ have meant running low on actors, or sets. MauLer mentions there are a lot of potential plots from the comics that went unused, so it's not even that the MCU doesn't have stories they could siphon from the comics either. So the statement that "Marvel is running on fumes." becomes "Marvel is " and the listener is simply projecting what they want to be said there. The worst part is that this doesn't even need to be done intentionally as our brain is evolved to make these rational shortcuts because thinking takes energy, needless energy usage puts us closer to death, so we develop cognitive shortcuts to use less energy and ideally keep us alive.
The memory lane store literally seems like a Rick and Morty episode where they stumble upon that store and find out they are selling their memories to people without consent or something.
I could also see the red light green light actually being a funny joke. Like Morty is curiously going through ideas of what differences are in the universe they're in and then Rick is just like "Yeah it's just the lights Morty. Red means go....in retrospect that sounded better in my head."
“The reason why DC is doing great right now…” -The biggest oof moment into the EFAP by far, Warner’s curse of incompetence is catching up with them in real time fast and hopefully Zaslev can drop the dead weight around there especially on the comic side of things.
@@Сайтамен Even The Suicide Squad would qualify as decent those days, the plot is passed out drunk on the sideroad but at least the characters are entertaining, same for NWH on Marvel's side i guess?
I like to appreciate the fact there's a dead Celestial coming out of Earth, and no one talks about it, when it was setup in Guardians that the resources they can farm from a dead Celestial are super valuable, and the Avengers (or what is left of them anyways) would probably know that through maintaining contact with the Guardians, Thor, and Captain Marvel.
@@Wyzai What are SHIELD doing nowadays? Where are they? Why haven't they shown up since like, Far From Home? Why isn't anyone talking about them? You'd think they'd step in to intervene with the events of like, Wandavision, Falcon and Winter Soldier, Moon Knight, etc etc etc, ask sone questions, kick names, take ass. Now they've kinda been replaced by the Department of Damage Control and Wong for some reason.
@@xpurplethighs7596 I never liked the first Spider-Man film/characters in the MCU, so I had no real interest in continuing, regardless of checking out after Endgame.
@@SumDumGy Yeah that's totally understandable. I found them decent but nothing super spectacular other than at least the villain wasn't killed like a creature of the week as other films had.
I recently watched Avengers again and Thanos is referred to indirectly in scenes between Loki and the Chitauri. It’s established that Thanos is the one pulling the strings without saying his name specifically. The build up is this higher level threat than even the Chitauri. The Thanos reveal in the credits is putting a face to it
Not sure how they missed it or what happened, but infinity war also referenced the 2012 attack. “Since he sent an army through space and now he’s back..”
The Other has a horned chin just like the N'Garai and the Chthon statue in Multiverse of Madness, confirming fan theories dating back to the movies release in 2012. If The Other was indeed an avatar of Lord Chthon, then he is the true big bad, as everything originates from him, Kang is just his pawn.
I want to go ahead and agree with Typoh about a point that I don't think he phrased very well. It seems to me as well that the MCU wants to have their cake and eat it too. By that I mean they have no interest in keeping characters or the world even remotely consistent, but then still bring in characters and references from other movies and TV shows to get claps from the audience.
I think you're right. They're "trapped" by their own success in making such a success interconnected world. They've reached the point that comics do in that new writers coming in have lore and plot threads that are years old to deal with, but writers also don't want to put in the effort to keep that straight. DC and Marvel comics used to have efficient editors who had the power to keep things relatively on track (to a greater or lesser extent), but the MCU has never come across as having the desire to do this.
Efap has almost completely replaced my cinema intake. I just play video games and listen to efap instead of going to the movies or subscribing to Disney + or any other sub. I really only go outa my way for what you praise would have never watched the Batman, the suicide squad, underwater, and arcane if it wasn’t for your coverage.
That’s awesome man, I’m the same. Don’t forget to find other ways to hang out with your friends though! (if you’ve stopped going to the cinema with them!)
I just realized what bugs me about Black Bolts death. His nose isn't plugged and his mucosa is strong enough to stop his power, therefore it wouldn't be able to blow out his head, the power would just come out his nose.
I remember this being mentioned during the EFAP coverage of DS2: MoM. Instead of going out the nasal cavity(you mentioning), or tearing apart the skin covering the mouth, or even from the ears or eyes, it exits the back of the skull. *AND* this only happens because the proclaimed "Smartest man in the world(or universe, forgetting which specifically) gives Wanda a forewarning. There isn't much that makes sense with that death.
The idea that he screamed at all was just shit. He has trained since a young age to not let out a fucking peep no matter what unless he wants to fucking atomize something. Hes a superhero for fucks sake, hes probably been beat to shit and had to hold his voice in to not destroy the planet, yet we're expected to believe he screamed because he was a bit surprised?
If you're wondering, Ms. Marvel also had potentially world-ending stakes. Also, What-If had multiverse ending stakes. In fact, What-If produced a villain so powerful that I can't imagine any way the live action movies can top it. They've already blown their biggest possible threat, and they wasted him on a silly cartoon that a bunch of people skipped.
@@beachwind7274 Ultron. In one timeline, he succeeds in putting himself in Vision's body and killing everyone on Earth. Then Thanos shows up with the other 5 infinity stones (don't ask) and Ultron kills him (don't ask) and takes all six stones for himself. Then Ultron flies through space, purging every planet in the galaxy. Then, for some reason, his eyes are opened to the existence of other universes and he sets out to purge every one of them. The Watcher pulls together 6 of the protagonists from earlier episodes to stop him.
@@beachwind7274 to add to the reply above, A doctor strange in what if was able to manifest and gained the power of every mystical being in his universe (and even his past self) which ruined the timeline and turned his universe into a never ending void where only he exist, and this doctor strange was the main person who was able to beat Ultron alongside archer black widow and computer virus Zola.
3:30:50 i think it really just boils down to Scorsese being (understandably) big mad because he’s spent his life creating these incredibly well made and thought out movies just to turn around and see his biggest box-office achievements being blown out of the water several times by this MCU garbage just being pumped out of the cinematic equivalent of a puppy mill, and i can see how that can turn someone bitter enough to want to completely disconnect them from his line of work, and also be in denial about the fact that for some reason MCU sludge is just genuinely preferred by mainstream audiences in comparison to movies with actual logic and heart, hes still wrong about them not being cinema tho lmao
I feel like you wrote this with the intention of sort of defending Scorsese but you've basically just said that he's bitter, jealous, and disconnected from reality lol
@@skyviking349 not defending him at all, he really is bitter, jealous and disconnected from reality, and i wont deny it, just saying i kinda get why, i’d like to say i’d handle it better if i was in his exact position but tbh i’m not sure i would lmao
I think the aimlessness of Phase 4 is a problem, but I think the bigger issue is how much content the MCU is pumping out, yet the quality control seems to be non-existent nowadays. It's no wonder the VFX artists are starting to speak up against the studio.
I checked it out we are getting a similar amount of shows/movies in the Multiverse Saga as we did in the Infinity Saga in the same timeframe as it took to get up to Avengers 1. Thanos was so iconic because you had almost a full decade of teasing him. Kang is getting teased and beaten in the same amount of time it took for Loki to start his redemption arc.
LOL at Capt's stories "ended". I can easily pull out a thing he can do. He should be in She-Hulk. Even though he's old. He trained She-Hulk in martial arts, in the comic. He can still do that as a mentor role. But nope, nowhere to be found. LALALA. Maybe you shouldn't have broken your time travel rules, Marvel. For that one scene. So people couldn't ask for him anymore.
1:16:00 I think it's pretty clear that what is meant by certain characters have run their course, while others have stories yet to tell is that certain characters have had closure, while others haven't. Yes, we don't like the way they got closure, but it is a full arc with a beginning and end. I think his example of Spider-man was a bit iffy because you could argue that the Home trilogy has an arc and closure and could just end there, knowing that he continues on but his life as it was is over. But, very little of what's happened with the Guardians has had any closure, yet. They have a lot of hanging story threads. Peter, Gamora, and Nebula have had some "complete" arcs individually, but other characters haven't and the group as a whole hasn't and Star-Lord and Gamora's relationship had an end and a restart to have them currently in the middle of an active arc. Yes, it's purely because we've been told "this character is done, now" whether it's good or not, but I understand that what's meant is that they do have an arc with a beginning and end, while others are currently still at the beginning or middle (or, with Thor, on a constant restart).
I'll go to bat in defense of the "Pokemon has always been at least a little dark" but even i agree that the mega evolution pokedex entries are MEGA EDGE. Mega Lucario is so powerful its always teetering on going insane, and mercilessly beats its enemies (even the anime showcases that one). Mega Gengar wants to eat its trainer if given the chance. Alakazam gains incredible psychic power but it loses all its muscles and has NO physical strength. Scizor will MELT if its Mega Evolved for too long. This is going to soung very tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist. Mega Evolutions got pokedex entries in sun and moon. This was the same game that introduced a new gimmick (Z moves, essentially a once per battle super move) and started to phase Mega Evolutions out of the game, as you couldn't mega evolve until you beat the game, and they aren't in sword and shield. I wholeheartedly believe thst the reason the entries are so violent and made to seem like you're hurting your pokemon by doing them is to make people not feel bad about getting rid of it in favor of new future gimmicks. When Mega Evolutions were introduced it was made clear that your pokemon could achieve it due to having an incredibly strong bond with you, it was literally achieved by the power of friendship.
@@Leotheleprachaun not quite. Mega Evolutions aren't able to be achieved without a Mega Stone and Key. Except Ash Greninja, because their bond was literally that strong. Friendship evolutions are just pokemon becoming comfortable enough to call you family or something.
Oooh! At 1:57:06 Rags says that DC "litterally wipe their slate clean" - but I highly doubt anybody at DC actually, litterally wiped any slate, and so Rags has failed his own rule, failed as a human and a dog and a fursona and a youtuber and a critic and a..... okay, I'll calm down, but I just had a nice gotcha-moment in my car, driving home and I was so excited to share it!..
16:07 Cell vs Gohan was one of the best moments in dragonball imo. Theyre firing beams into each other sure, but it creates such good character moments for practically the entire cast as they try to help Gohan out. You *can* build something meaningful around something as simple as a beam clash.
Yeah Dragonball z is cool when you're 8. Then you watch it years later and realize it's REALLY not. Cell is literally just all the old villains in 1 guy. They recycle every trope from previous seasons. Set up Gohan to be the big Strongman, then immediately cuck him in the following seasons. Continues with the same story arc over and over and over. New Powerfulman shows up. Heros train to get more strong to be able to beat new powerfulman. Rinse & repeat. Cliche adolescent power fantasy turned up to 11.
@Subpar JennaTalia Agreed. This is going to be controversial, but a lot of anime falls under that umbrella. People are just too precious to admit it. Friezas saga was good, but I think "Dragonball" is far superior to anything they put out after. Great balance of silly comedy and fun action wrapped up in a heros journey, with some interesting fantasy thrown in. It is a bit pervy, but culturally it checks out.
@@padenbang7375 there's so much to what you said that I could discuss but non of it really addresses my original comment so it'd be starting an entirely unrelated conversation about how good is dragon ball (which is not what I was trying to do).
@@padenbang7375 I suppose I should clarify that my viewing experience is kai, its updated voice acting with a script that accurately follows the manga, a normal soundtrack (not constant noise like z) and lacks the filler episodes. I was never a fan of original Z
@Subpar JennaTalia my original comment wasnt arguing that cell was a good villain but I feel like he deserves a bit more credit than 'lazy'. I would call Cell simplistic for sure, he's very short sighted and his only real goal was to achieve his perfect form. That being said once he achieves his perfect form what he does (in pursuit of testing his own limits) provides some of the more interesting moments in z/kai imo, giving the z fighters time to prepare themselves to give him a proper challenge (and all the banter that creates between them by extension), announcing his presence to the world through that broadcast (and their reaction to it, mr satan), cell building himself a proper ring for his tournament and even risking the possibility of being defeated by a ring out (for a time). He makes for a good foil for Gohan and provided a very natural moment for everyone to join the battle against him in the end. Frieza saga is my second favorite, wasnt a fan of the zenkai boosts, seemed like a highly abuseable mechanic that was only really utilized in that arc (and was used to get the cast through alot of the arc, 4-5 times it saves them), all of the sneaking around and tactical thinking from krillin and co was fun to see tho.
It's pretty strange how suddenly it seems like everyone outside of this community turned against Phase 4. With almost every project that came out, there was public praise and the typical hollow defense against those that saw through it. Each project was "the new best of the MCU." Several Phase 4 things have the highest audience and critical scores. I've seen plenty of criticism from our sector, but nothing but praise and defense from the standard stans. Suddenly, with Thor 4, a large portion of people are now saying that there's something wrong with Phase 4 and something needs fixed. I'm not even sure why the sentiment started, because I'm still seeing mostly "No, it's good, actually" of every individual piece, just not the Phase as a whole. I guess most of what I'm personally seeing just has the sentiment that it's kind of disjointed and doesn't seem like it'll have an actual wrapping up bookend, like an Avengers movie, and that Phases 4-6 look like one giant phase that's capped off with the first Avengers team movie in years. But, no. Phase 4 has been mostly shit the whole way through. Thanks for noticing.
As many MCU characters have been assassinated in the last 2 years or so, I am still the most offended about what was done to Wanda Maximoff. I really want to explain why, as every time I try to vent elsewhere, MCU stans come at me saying "nah bruh, she was always gonna become a deranged murderer, you just don't understand what character development is." Bull. Fucking. Shit! Anyway... I suffer from severe depression, and I've always found Wanda's resolve to push through all her heartache and use her powers to help people extremely inspiring (gag all you like, it's how I feel). Leaving aside the question of how well written her story from Age of Ultron to Endgame was, or how good or bad the movies she was in were, I felt extremely connected to Wanda as a character, because if someone who has gone through as much as she has can continue to be a hero, I see no reason why I can't press on through this shitstorm of a world. Then we get to Phase 4, where all that is thrown out the window; now she's a complete psychopath who has no qualms whatsoever with putting thousands of people (children included) under agonizing pain and mental torment for an unclear amount of time, refusing to let them out even when they are ASKING HER TO KILL THEM RATHER THAN KEEP THEM IN THERE. I genuinely wanted to reach into the screen and throttle Monica when she had the gall to try and validate this horrific act, but that isn't even the worst of it. Come MoM (I fucking hate that acronym) she is suddenly a sadistic maniac who indiscriminately murders God knows how many sorcerers, tortures the ones she doesn't kill, takes pleasure in slaughtering the Illuminati (the moment when she coldly executes Reed knowing she just put this universe's Sue Storm in the same situation as her genuinely made me wonder if I was having a nightmare about how thoroughly FUBAR she was), and was willing to kill an alternate version of herself to steal Tommy and Billy (who, may I remind you, she knew for a grand total of three fucking days!). The worst part of all this is that I feel like I'M the crazy one for reacting this way. Everywhere I go I see nothing but love for what has been done with Wanda in Phase 4; is this what being gaslit feels like? To see a character I felt so close to go completely against everything she stands for was quite possibly the most insulted I have ever felt by a piece of media. Fuck Jac Schaffer, fuck Michael Waldron, and fuck Marvel in general at this point! [I still love Elizabeth Olsen regardless; she's an incredible actress, and even if she is OK with what has been done with this character, I will continue to support her.] (As much as I hate the fact that Sam Raimi endorsed evil Wanda, I do owe him a thank you for executing so badly that it eliminated any doubts about my feelings towards her assassination.) I know it's stupid of me to get so emotionally invested in a shitty superhero franchise, but I can't help it; that's just how I am.
I completely get your feelings and I don’t think you’re overreacting. What they did was basically character assassination for almost no reason, it’s not like they couldn’t have done this plotline with only her and not another character. It’s so stupid. I genuinely feel bad about it the more I think about how they handled her character too 🙁
7:11:01 - I've heard your critiques and made changes to the MauLopoly board. 1. E;R Railroads have been changed to the EFAP Philosophers (Bilbo Baggins, Bigideas, Freudian, and Hibble Subbledees) 2. E;R is now a playable character 3. Just Visiting spot (Just used Express VPN) has been changed to Switched to Singapore 4. Jail Spot (Got Hacked) has been revamped to You're Robotting, and the prison bars have been changed to a glitched picture of Metal Commander (might change to Fringy since his mic robots more often) 5. Spider Milk has been changed to Green Milk with a picture of Luke Skywalker and his green milk mustache. 6. Boardwalk is now LOTR Trilogy and Park Place is The Star Wars Trilogy. 7. Green Tier Film Properties are (in ascending order): Predator, Alien, and Terminator 2: Judgement Day 8. Yellow Tier Film Properties are: Mission Impossible Fallout, Parasite, and The Prestige 9. Red Tier Film Properties are: Iron Man, Captain America Civil War, and Avengers Infinity War 10. Orange Tier Film Properties are: Batman & Robin, The Suicide Squad, and Joker 11. Magenta Tier Film Properties are: The Snyder Cut Justice League, Man of Steel, and Batwoman 12. Sky Blue Tier Film Properties are: Doctor Strange in The Multiverse of Madness, Black Panther, and Captain Marvel 13. The Han Solo dice have been altered slightly to have traditional dice dots instead of the Sabacc Symbols. I'm currently working on the Box Art and adding more MEME cards as well as Superchat cards. The current board is posted on Reddit (r/mauLer)
Honestly with the superchat they read near the end that said "We're coming for your masculine men cope and seethe" it could be satire but coming from that dude who defended kenobi that rags covered, these people exist. They even have their own subreddit where they cope and seethe all day r/MovieCirclejerk
You can't say that because Guardians worked that it's possible for Justice League to do the same. The characters in Justice League are too big, they carry too much weight. No one knew who the Guardians were, you could do anything with them and no one would care, which is what Gunn did by the way. As a life long comic fan I hated what he did with Drax and Starlord. I still enjoyed the movie but those characters are not even close to how are they are in the comics. I know you guys don't put much stock into the adaptions being faithful but I'd like to see a Buffy remake and watch Mauler have a meltdown LOL.
Well said. I never understood the sentiment that the MCU should be set completely apart from the comic canon. The MCU literally doesn't exist without the comics. Why shouldn't that matter??? So according to that logic, the "Rings of Power" shouldn't be judged by Tolkien's work. Seems silly Edit: Buffy is an objectively bad show. Cringey, cheesey dialogue and plot lines, terrible consistency and continuity in world building, horrifying CGI, C tier acting, 1/2 the episodes being "filler" etc etc. The only praise I will agree with is that it has good characterization. Sure. If you have to qualify a show you like by saying "stick around until season 3, it gets REALLY good" you've already fucked up.
@@padenbang7375 They're always going to be separate because they inhabit entirely different worlds. Faithfulness only ever applies if pieces that would make the spinoff better are missing while others are present in a disjointed manner (Halo show for example). There is no need to be accurate to the original story if yours is competently put together. The Rings of Power example falls apart because it is set within a universe that already exists in the films which it is banking on existing, it isn't adapting much of anything outside of a lot of information covered in the Silmarallion. But as it stands it is a prequel to the film trilogy, it isn't standing on its own. If it contradicts Jackson's LOTR trilogy it's bad regardless of accuracy to Tolkien's work, which is another example of why being accurate isn't necessary. Just to tie this up; the reason why the MCU and the comics are separate is because they are separate. The MCU might not exist without the comics but that's irrelevant. I wouldn't exist without my grandparents but that doesn't mean I have to emulate everything they did, iteration demands change.
@@The1337guy1 The critique of the Rings of Power example doesn't hold up. According to the logic presented, as long as a film/show adaptation is internally consistent with it's own narrative it doesn't need to adhere to previous events to be objectively good, right? ROP could say Galadriel is a dwarfish warrior in this timeline and Gandalf is a Hobbit wizard. As long as they never contradict that information (their own world building) within the show, or kill the characters outright, then it can be objectively good while altering the canon it's adapting from. If this is how the relationship between source material and adapted material functions: why make an adaptation of the source material at all? Why bait an existing fan base with an adaptation of their favorite book, short story, or movie if the studio/director isn't interested in telling the story with the characters that fans know and enjoy; other than making as much money as possible off bait. Unfaithfulness to the source material is only accepted by viewers of the adaptation that are unfamiliar/ignorant of canon. Even if the Halo show had been well written and internally consistent, the changes they made to canon ensure the show could not represent the Halo universe as existing fans understood it. They could have set it during the Insurrection, but the insurrectionists are a radical religious sect that call themselves the Covenant, and we never see any Aliens at all. It could be internally consistent and well written but would leave Halo fans confused and frustrated. Only those that know the source material will be offended. Simply put: a well written movie can be a bad adaptation, and a badly written movie can be a good adaptation. *Both* elements matter. They're not exclusive. If studios are going to adapt popular works they should only change things to mend internal inconsistencies extant in the source material. Improve it. They don't care about adapting the story for fans. They parade their own story, characters, and universe, around in the skin of a beloved IP. We shouldn't be calling these adaptations to begin with. They're mutilations of the source material.
If memory is serving correctly, I believe the episode where Marge says something like " It's an ending, I guess that's it" or whatever the quote is, came from the episode where Roger Myers, Jr. loses Itchy & Scratchy Studios to the hobo who really created the characters. And then you had single-use characters Lester & Eliza (I think?) finding the solution & getting the credit, rather than Bart & Lisa, like usual. They then ask Marge the initiating interrogative about what kind of ending that was, to which she replies "it's just an ending". *If the above turns out to be inaccurate, which is always a possibility, I'd like to say in my own future defense, that stated info was from the last viewing being had like 17+ years ago, as best I can recall. Apologies for inaccuracies which may occur.
Modern video essayists: arguing about Marvel movies Mauler: What the hell are you two doing? V.E 1.: It's called, Reader Response Theory! V.E. 2: You wouldn't understand, Longman, you're not "with it:! Mauler: I used to be with it, but then they changed what it was! Now what I'm with isn't it, and what's "it" seems weird and scary to me! It will happen to you!
3:19:55 Regarding favourite moments in superhero movies... My favourite scene is in Spiderverse, the Leap of Faith, where he finally becomes Spiderman, and the music sequence that follows. For Marvel movies, Ironman's suiting up scenes, or, well, the earlier ones, because there is the mechanical elements.
Phase 4 was the strategic deployment of assets in the attempt build a catalog of “premier streaming Television” and “VOD quality “ movies for Disney+ Plus
1:56:18 DS MoM was going to be released before SM NWH, America Chavez was going to be the spell caster in NWH which went wrong, that's why is so jarring that Strange casts the spell wrong. This is the best they could come up with :(
I finally figured out why Typoh’s editing style annoys me to no end! You guys hear how often music is being changed throughout the video, but it’s never when he finishes a paragraph or even a sentence: it’s only when he changes one visual scene to the next. Is the guy wanting to give us auditory whiplash or something!? We want to listen to your argument about this, that, or the other, but cool it with the remote until you finish a statement at the very least!
I love how accurate some of these predictions are. Mauler all "Yeah some Marvel writer it going to be all 'hue hue Tony Stark was a Skrull the whole time hue hue" and not knowing that a year later he'd find out that it was Rhodie the entire time.
So, I used to go to the minor league hockey team back in my home town of San Diego (honestly, the San Diego Gulls were the least embarrassing sports team in the city). But I'll always remember that one of the arcade games in the arena was "Marvel Super Heroes" where the Heroes fight to reclaim the Infinity Gems before facing Thanos. But the mechanic of the game was that you were fighting the other characters, stealing gems, and certain moves and combos were empowered when you had one of the gems. Point it - I always wished that the infinity gems in the MCU were like how they were in that game/in the comics. Guardians of the Galaxy set a bad precedent where using the power gem was (nearly) too much for one person to handle on their own - where in the comics the Power Gem also made the person using it invulnerable. Now, Phase 2 had done an "okay" job setting up a few of the gems, but Phase 3 should have had a connective through-line of "get the gems before Thanos", where the gems trading hands leads to fantactical adventures that showcase just how dangerous any one of the gems are, leading us to realize how powerful one could be if they had more than one. When people talk about the MCU, it is not the bastion of long-form story-telling that some people claim that it is. And while we got more than a few entertaining movies out of the deal, some good character moments and development... ultimately the movies took a minimalist path to setting up the Infinity Stones - when it could have been a much wilder ride.
I think that the stones served as the biggest build up to Thanos beyond his presence. Watching the stones effect and sometimes jumpstart stories was a good way to foreshadow the Mad Titan, the guy who can use all of these powers at once. I’m not saying he was done perfectly, but the lack of the ever present reminder Infinty Saga had forces the new phase to rely on actual storytelling, which they evidently cannot do.
I brought up the lack of free will in Loki and how it undercuts the entire MCU to someone and the response I got was "No it's great! It's fun because it's like in real life where people aren't sure if they have free will or not". I told him to go walk off a cliff but he didn't because he has free will and apparently doesn't stand by his arguments.
I mean, in a sense I am excited to see both Marvels, Kate Bishop, Yelena and all the other new leads in one movie because I genuinely want to see how their main character energies would clash and what kind of compromise would those reach. (Realistically they would probably be dumped in a battle mid fighting and instantly form the most agreeable of teams with coolest choreographed two-women moves)
1:06:56 - Mauler - "I don't know that any studio is ever going to invest in writing at this point." Roughly 1 year later - Both writers AND actors have gone on strike.
"Kevin Feige was a grand architect" Oh you mean the same Kevin Feige who wanted to bring Captain Marvel in so bad that they had an entire previsualization of her entrance in the ending of Age of Ultron and Joss fucking Whedon of all people told him to "chill out bro" which is how we ended up with Scarlet Witch floating down in that scene? That is your grand architect?
Concerning "What If," I agree that there were, for the most part, some neat ideas present in the show. The execution, however, was terrible in so many ways. Especially Ultron with the infinity stones. Ooohhh boy, there's a lot to talk about.
@@VexdinLord I don't necessarily have an objection to the concept, but it hard-core contradicts IW and Endgame, which implied to me that using the stones took a physical toll on you. But, hey, if you're animated or a Kane organization, doesn't matter, does it?
@@starbolt0636 How would stones from one universe even work in another universe? Don't they connect to aspects of creation from that universe, which is why they were paperweights in Loki?
1:08:00 I don’t care how much money you invest into scripting. I don’t care how many redrafts, revisions, or concept is frameworks you build. It doesn’t matter NONE of this matters when the fundamental focus of your writing is a lie. Hollywood writers cannot create amazing worlds because they have taken their doctrine of cultural destruction to its logical conclusion. Used to be there was at least a little bit of truth in every lie. Now even that is gone and the framework upon which they built their empire of sand is crumbling.
Lol where are all the great Christian or right wing writers making stories based on "truth"? God's Not Dead 2 is still lower quality than MoM. The only thing I've found good that's on a right wing bend is Kamen America, but it's drawing extremely heavily from Sailor Moon (which had a gay relationship and was extremely marketed with "girl power" messages). And even then, the right-wing Christian elements either detract from the story or make it cringe. The only moment I can think of where it actually enhances the narrative is when the main priest character turns out to secretly be part of a group of superhero priest/exorcists. Maybe actually try to build a single wall in a glass house before throwing stones.
At no point did I say you have to be Christian or “right wing” to write truth. That’s obviously not the case and the assumption is a little insulting. Yes? I agree ? christian/religious/right wing writers can be guilty of the same thing in their fervor you see it all the time in Christian writings the difference is production. I find it interesting that this was the assumed implication that everything L am bad and everything R are good. And no I’m definitely not okay. I mean I’m physically and mentally okay Im just trying to explain the inexplicable inside a dogma that doesn’t allow for explanation It’s cultural destruction and it’s intentional. I mean hell they literally wrote it into Star Wars “bury the past. Kill it if you have to” and if you think a line like that wasn’t fed to Johnson idk what to tell you. The whole purpose is to build a new kind of culture. Christianity’s got nothing to do with it that was destroyed long ago.
@@virtueofabsolution7641 your name is Virtue of Absolution lol. And you're spouting opinions that have absolutely no basis in reality, including a post-truth world and that modern writers are building stories made on lies. This is textbook Christian propaganda, it's literally bleeding through when you don't even intend it, apparently. I know because I heard my parents and all the Christian speakers and talk-show-hosts say shit like this all the time growing up. You're in an idealogical bubble, my friend. My assumption is that things that are well-written are good. I dislike ideological biases getting in the way of writing, no matter which way they lean. The current marvel writers have an idealogical bias in a certain sense, but just having a bias doesn't make you a bad writer. Being bad at resolving character arcs and structuring a plot makes you a bad writer. There are also multiple good movies that have come out recently, such as Everything Everywhere All at Once, and The Northman. Are these all corrupted by a post-truth morality? Or does it only kick in for things you don't like?
Just FYI, Nerdstalgic used to be 1 guy, and he was great. Now he has at least 1 other, maybe more, that do videos under his same name. And the quality has gone down, while the output has increased.
Really liked how Yugioh got brought up, still playing the game whether online or physical (i.e. Edison or Goat Format both are great). Also, when I first watched EFAP it was around 2020 which is when the Tri-brigade archetype came out and I noticed a resemblance of Tri-brigade Nervall and Fringy’s avatar. By the way, for those who aren’t interested into playing the card game one thing I like about is the artwork in the cards for certain archetypes tells some nice stories. For example; Tri-brigade, Despian, Branded, Dogmatika and like 5 more archetypes tell one BIG story.
3:59:00 It's more brave to be self-aware and change your mind because you learned something better than sticking to the point and not understanding or aren't aware it's not a good point to stand on and keep holding on to that point.
I actually wanted phase four to just be a bunch of spider man homecomings: small scale character focused stories that built the world, but we didn't get that.
Don't know if this has been suggested before but I'm just waiting for something to reveal that every installment in Phase 4 is in a different timeline. This would be the retcon trying to excuse why they don't have to make sense with the other movies. They'll say that this was the plan all along, justifying why they never made a larger storyline for this phase.
You really think Marvel let people "do whatever they want" in Phase 4? Just because there's no cohesion doesn't mean that the creatives weren't bombarded by horrible notes, restricted to outlines dictated by old pre-vis and given actually no time to work in at all. You guys have talked about all of this stuff.
2:18:00 The writer for She-Hulk said in an interview that she pitched the show as much more court centric, then when they got in the writer's room realized that none of the writers knew how to do that. So they just decided to not make the lawyer stuff a focus. What the hell? And why would you volunteer that information in a promotional interview? She also said that everyone's comparing it to Ally McBeal and that references to Ally McBeal were added in post but none of the writers were old enough to be familiar with or have watched Ally McBeal. I know, being older, things don't seem as long ago as they were, and it was a show that was on 20 years ago, but the head writer saying this is 38. She may not have watched it, but she's old enough to have. And, it's streaming on Hulu. These days, I'd reckon that Futurama is more well remembered and something that someone with her resume might be more familiar with, and there's an entire episode spoofing Ally McBeal. It just makes me wonder - I am generally pretty familiar with the ins and outs and history and successes and failures of my overall industry. How do you go into getting a job on a single female lawyer show without having any familiarity of THE single female lawyer show? Also, how old are the people in this writer's room? Jessica Gao's statements on this show just bring up... so many questions. If it's a good show, fantastic. Her interview made me lose any hope for it that I had.
5:09:38 What I love about that "Secret Wars" is it's literally the plot of Crisis on Infinite Earths from DC. Couldn't base it on the original Secret Wars that had its own original plot and which is much better known and beloved. No, they have to rip-off the plot of a much better DC storyline. (And to be fair "Battleworld" is the one reference to the original Secret Wars, wherein the name actually made sense) ((And FYI Castle Grayskull from He-Man is actually the where the good guys like to hang out. Skeletor hangs out on Snake Mountain))
Good point; Multiverse of Madness had be quite literally angry in theatres. Of all the possibilities, to make it so bad, bland, character (and physical) assassination's left and right...
Pour one out for the GDELB man. Damn, sucks that we won't be seeing a new one next year but I understand. It's better to shelve an idea than wear it down to nothing, I could easily see GDELB just becoming an entirely "haha random, this is random so it's funny right? Right?!" if the passion isn't there.
At this point I think the only thing that'll save the MCU's continuity is saying that every movie in Phase 4 has taken place in a different universe, so that's why characters and events don't seem consistent. But I don't they're smart enough to do something that stupid.
Black Atom is . . . not a hero. He started World War 3. Punched Terra through the chest. Granted I hate Terra so seeing that put a smile on my face even if it made Beast Boy sad but I digress.
Giving Kevin Feige credit for all of Ike Perlmutter's work is absurd. He was in charge until 2015. Feige forced him out during Phase 3 and Phase 4 is entirely his fault.
Honestly I felt bad having skipped The Suicide Squad in theaters because I thought it was one of the best films DC has put out since the Batman Trilogy. I just had so little hope in a good Suicide Squad after the previous film that I avoided it completely.
I can understand that. I think it's financial failure was because of it being released simultaneously on HBO Max, which was only available in some countries. People didn't have as much reason to go see it in the cinema because of that. They should have just released it exclusively in cinemas, or waited until the next year, when more people could see it.
I don't like this idea that people didn't know who Iron Man was prior to 2008. It's just not true. Maybe non-comic fans didn't know his backstory or his real name but they were aware of the character. You'll never convince me that the average person didn't know who Captain America was prior to the MCU because I remember those times.
Wait... that clip of Hawkeye shooting a PYM arrow to make a gigantic arrow is real?? I saw the editted version of him doing that in Wii sports and thought the giant arrow part was made up! holy crap I'm glad I didn't watch that show
The first video just kept kind of repeating the same "the new movies do this, and yeah so did the older movies, but it was different then because I say it's different", overall just brushing over the real fact which is simply: "all the new movies just aren't written as well"
For the first video, I think some of the difficulty in understanding it is because the intonation is very monotone despite being fast. Looking at other creators known for a rapid delivery style, like Zero Punctuation's Yahtzee or JoCat from Crap Guide to ... they make the effort to really over emphasize the pitch and emotion in the words they are delivering. Part of our understanding of meaning in English comes from which words are emphasized and what tone is used. English-speakers will understand a sentence completely without tone, but it takes longer and may be ambiguous. If speech is rapid-fire like this, it might be necessary to overdo the contrast in emphasis and tone compared to normal speaking so that the listener has to do as little processing as possible. It might also help to cut down on compound sentences as much as you can in the script.
* joins a podcast full of strangers who have been criticizing his video for hours *
_"This might be kind of cowardly, but..."_
* proceeds to fairly analyze, accept criticism for, revise, and retract parts of his old arguments *
Buddy, this is the exact opposite of "cowardly." Well done.
The virgin smug Ross Twin-Perfect vs. the Chad accepter of criticsms Typoh
I felt really bad for the guy because he was clearly nervous, he deserves all the credit in the world for coming on.
@@MistbornTaylor Right? Anyone should be nervous knowing they're about to debate three neurotic content creators. Breathe the wrong way or slur a single word and Rags will unleash the ad hominems. Typoh done good.
@@apocryphicdeath
You've apparently never seen EFAP actually debate anybody...
Twin Perfect is the closest thing to what you described, yet that "debate" only went so sour because Twin Perfect utterly *refused* to show any integrity.
Even when you go all the way back to the Maj0rLee debate, EFAP didn't act like what you're describing at all.
I think you've misremembered something. I recently binged just about all of EFAP's debates (even the dreaded "Prequel Debate") and I think you should just go back and re-listen to them, because you might be getting them confused with someone else's debates.
@@eidolon1426 i think he’s just one of the endless people who think ad hominem and rudeness/insults are synonymous, yes Rags can be a bit of a dick sometimes, but he does not use insults to discredit arguments from opponents, he just tends to like to talk shit and make character judgements in addition to shooting down arguments
The ice caps melting is supposed to add enough water to devastate coasts around the world but a celestial emerging from the core of the planet isn't even news worthy.
Tiamut has to displace billions of gallons of water, considering its size. And since they say the thing is in the Indian Ocean in the film, pretty sure island and costal nations in the area would have been flooded and destroyed the first time it twitched a muscle.
@@liliesaregoodfortheliver2954 the massive earthquakes should have made tsunamis happen all over the world, avalanches where ever it could happen, massive splits in the earth swallowing buildings. Unless you lived halfway around the world, in a flat and stable area far from the coast and preferably a few tens of meters above sea level the events of that movie would be the worst catastrophe of your life.
Bye bye to the hundreds of millions of people almost instantly gone in South Asia from the tsunamis wiping out Indonesia and all the other islands in that area.
"unless you lives across the world on a flat, very stable landmass"
*laughs in Canadian Shield*
I'm good i guess
@@Leotheleprachaun"Canadian Shield" sounds like a made up bs, especially if you think it would protect you from a world-ending event
i really dont get this point that people have been parroting over and over.
half of all life disappeared for five years. i think everybody is just chilling and are desensitized by this point of the mcu. and just because you didnt see a news channel in the mcu talking about it, doesn't mean the world of the mcu isn't reacting to it.
but honestly all i needed to say was that first thing about half of the universe being gone and then coming back.
sometimes i feel like people say things just to feel like they're saying something but know that if they thought about it for one second, they'd realize, but ultimately wouldn't care.
I think the dude has a point about nobody talking about marvel anymore. Ive worked in the same place for 4 years now, same group of guys that talked about thanos, endgame and Ironman. Nobody mentioned ANYTHING from phase 4, only no way home. Nobody talked about eternals, shang chi, any Disney+ shows
Post-NWH the only talk I hear is Obi-Wan, Top Gun, and Boys S3.
No one talks about MoM or even Thor.
In my work circle, fucking Mario has more hype than anything marvel, just cuz we know Mario will at least be amusing ironically, if not as good as Sonic 2
I am convinced the only people who watch Marvel Disney+ shows are Verizon customers because they get it for free.
I believe you. I’m in the military and everyone from ages 18-36 only talk about anime. Not just males but almost every female does too. No one talk about marvel or dc at all. They are never mentioned
The only person who talks about that stuff here is reduced to just keeping tabs on stuff. He doesn't care anymore
The Japanese have taken over; never began for the MCUcels.
Big respect to Typoh for coming onto the show mid-coverage, and for sticking around for the other video.
I stopped watching the live broadcast right before he showed up. Like he minute before.
So this is the first I learned of him being in the stream.
That's crazy timing
Its cool he came on the stream.. but damn.. dude needs to stop slamming the keys on his keyboard. Or at least mute himself between comments.. but he is learning so I hope he keeps going and learns and improves
@@Hello_All_My_N_Words Probably a product of making scripted videos rather than being a full time live streamer.
@@apocryphicdeath I was replying to people in the discord lmao >:D
I mean his avatar was on screen, but he may as well have left at the end of his video. I don't think he had a single comment.
Timestamps
0:00 PREEFAP
4:41 Prey
6:05 Bullet Train
9:54 Marvel’s Phase 5
11:16 What’s up today?
12:38 Metal & The Celestial
13:33 JonCJG’s Phase 4 Experience
14:28 Wandavision
17:24 Phase 4 Essays
18:25 What Happened in Phase 4?
31:36 DC Purged Movies
36:42 Patrick William’s Take
39:31 WW84
39:14 Motivations & Money
41:29 WB-Discovery
44:09 DC Animation
46:12 WW & Superman
49:26 Selecting the video
51:29 Video N.1: The MCU Phase 4 Kinda s**ks... a lot (1)
1:08:24 Profitable Movies
1:12:07 Video N.1: The MCU Phase 4 Kinda s**ks... a lot (2)
1:33:34 The MCU Formula
1:37:53 MCU Planning & Structure
1:51:36 Phase 4
1:56:55 DCEU
2:04:12 The Problem With Marvel
2:14:26 Wandavision
2:16:35 Other Marvel TV Series
2:20:00 Set-ups
2:25:40 Dr Strange
2:57:52 Inhumans & Film Rights
2:59:40 The Quality Bar
3:01:25 DCEU
3:03:47 Continuity
3:07:00 Reasons
3:09:00 A Dull Experience
3:11:45 Scorsese
3:34:37 An Unhealthy Idea
3:37:10 Cameo Potential
3:43:13 The Author’s Take
3:46:20 The Innocence
3:48:45 Chronicle
3:49:18 Back to Beginning
3:55:38 The Author Joins EFAP
4:29:10 Nerdstalgic
4:30:40 The Unfortunate Problems Of Marvel Phase 4
4:45:32 Marvel Show Structure
4:49:30 Back To The Video
4:55:10 Back To Basics
5:03:19 The MCU Problem
5:06:05 A Badly Written Phase
5:07:13 A Shakespearean Scale
5:10:20 Battleworld
5:12:08 Eternals
5:13:40 A Bumpy Ride
5:15:38 Setting Up Endings
5:16:37 Conclusions
5:19:05 GDELB
5:26:22 Superchats (1)
5:28:35 Animal of the Day
5:30:40 Wings Quote Of The Day
5:31:21 The Sandman
5:32:46 Pokedex
5:37:55 Marvel Shows Efaps
5:40:01 Superchats (2)
5:42:42 Animal of the day
5:44:42 Lies
5:45:12 Superchats (3)
5:49:44 Sonic (1)
5:51:12 Superchats (4)
5:52:10 Sonic (2)
5:53:03 First Live Efap
5:53:30 Pokemon, Sonic & Yu-gi-oh
6:03:21 Superchats (5)
6:04:21 Yu-gi-oh!
6:06:03 Spiderman, Suicide Squad & Continuity
6:10:40 A New Character in the EFAPCU
6:11:24 Superchats (6)
6:15:57 The Boys
6:20:05 Emotional Movies
6:22:55 Superchats (7)
6:25:19 Pokedex
6:26:56 Superchats (8)
6:55:04 The Boys
7:00:04 Superchats (9)
7:05:26 Pokemon
7:06:26 Superchats (10)
7:08:42 Pokemon
7:11:01 EFAP Monopoly
7:14:52 Superchats (11)
7:30:10 Pokemon
7:31:41 Sonic
7:38:00 Closing
thank you for your service brother
Not all heroes wear capes
There must always be one for the EFAP videos. You have served your Roman senator brothers well.
Thank you friend
LONG LIVE JULIAN DOE!!!!
Time Traveler here.
In October of 2021 started at EFAP episode 1.
On August 15th got to EFAP episode 197.
Its been a trip. Lots of memes and good discussions.
Glad I caught up before the 200th episode.
Its been insane watching each of you evolve as critics, with almost an episode a day i was travelling through your timeline at many times your speed.
Now the great question:
Plushies when?
also:
Mauler did you ever notice Rey steals Kylo's ship off death star.... u know, the one that blew up in desert.. with wayfinder still intact inside?
noticed that on first viewing. X3
even mentions it in the wiki XD XD with "more info needed" cause they can't figure it out.
Massive props to Typoh for coming on, always takes a huge amount of bravery to join a call that's been heavily critiquing your work, but to have the self awareness and humble nature to agree with said criticisms is in NO WAY cowardly. That is absolutely the opposite my dude and that sense of growth, and civility is something we desperately need right now in media discussion.
Big love my guy! And welcome to the toxic brood!
you notice in phase four a lack of interesting relationships between the characters? iron man had a relationship with captain america because his dad looked up to the captain and he was a little envious, that and they had very different outlooks on the world, and he and black widow sparred as equals in civil war, and he had nothing but disdain for the falcon for what he did to rhodey. captain america related with black widow as a sister in winter soldier, and bossed nick fury without bossing him in winter soldier, and befriended the falcon and stuck by the winter soldier when the world was against him, and was always the guy everyone looked to for direction. hawkeye and black widow were close, but he was also like a big brother to wanda in the absence of wanda's brother, who died saving hawkeye. and on and on....
there's lots of little and big moments tying these characters together as people, and there's a real lack of that in phase four. you can't reasonably assemble a new avengers team without adding all these little moments along the way to tie them together. you can't do it all at the last minute because of a threat. that's boring. it turns the characters into action figures. The Marvels might build a relationship between the women, but they really haven't done anything to tie these new, or newly remade characters, together.
Yeah, even if minor the interconnectedness between the characters between movies adds depth to the universe overall
Where with Phase 4 all of the movies are atomized, all the stories are separated with little, if not nothing, connecting them at all. No one talks about the Celestial protruding from the Earth's crust, or Wanda almost destroying the entire multiverse, or that strange lightshow Doctor Strange caused after a bunch of people attacked the Statue of Liberty. You'd think those would be talked about, but I guess not.
They miss out on obvious opportunities as well. White Vision and Hawkeye should have been in Multiverse of Madness. In the comics, Wanda even killed Hawkeye in a fit of madness and that really would have fit very well in this movie. I can imagine a scene where Hawkeye is trying to calm a crazy wanda down by reminding her of Pietro and how he sacrificed himself for Hawkeye and how Hawkeye named his child Nathaniel "Pietro" Barton.
@@annatardlordofderps9181 To be fair, we don't know what order these movies are taking place in. I would not assume they're taking place in release order, especially since the schedule has been rearranged at least a couple times. Many of them are likely taking place close to the same time. So it's hard to tell whether or not characters SHOULD be referencing the events of other movies.
I don't think that's fair. Most of the founding Avengers never met each other until "The Avengers," and all their relationship dynamics were established just within that film. There's no reason that can't be done again with a new version of the team. I don't expect it to be done WELL the way things are going, but it can be done pretty easily. If anything, it should be easier this time since most of them will already be acquainted with each other.
@@Wolf_ManJack if you feel the need to respond to someone, put your contention more clearly because I have no idea what you're talking about.
*5 Minutes In* Rags: I'll be right back, I gotta use the loo.
*10 Minutes In* Jay: I think I'm gonna head off now.
Mauler: We were originally going to cover 4 more videos, and I thought that we would spend 10 minutes on each, 15 tops, but we ended up spending almost 8 hours on the first video, so we're just going to hop right into superchats.
Fringy: **Australian Noises**
*austrailian noughs*
Not sure if this is a comment referring to this video or just all of them lol
Yeah it's almost like they banter about nonsense for too long under the guise of having a deep discussion.
@@JesusAndRick They’re friends, not philosophers
@@smugalice6206 Cheap empty response.
People are saying the underlying theme of Phase 4 was anything from "guilt and consequences" to "surrogate parenthood."
I say the theme was "we don't want to be a united universe anymore and we're not even gonna pretend we are."
The theme is that there is no theme!
I'm going to call it "Rhetorical Madlibbing".
It's when the creator/essayist leaves something vague, it being vague leaves the viewer to replace what the creator meant with whatever comes to mind like a game of Madlib.
For example: Typoh stated that he felt Marvel was "running on fumes". My immediate thought is to agree because the MCU simply appear creatively bankrupt, unable to write new stories, but the phrase "running on fumes" could imply anything and I could be completely off-base and Typoh _could_ have meant running low on actors, or sets. MauLer mentions there are a lot of potential plots from the comics that went unused, so it's not even that the MCU doesn't have stories they could siphon from the comics either.
So the statement that "Marvel is running on fumes." becomes "Marvel is " and the listener is simply projecting what they want to be said there. The worst part is that this doesn't even need to be done intentionally as our brain is evolved to make these rational shortcuts because thinking takes energy, needless energy usage puts us closer to death, so we develop cognitive shortcuts to use less energy and ideally keep us alive.
on point
Well said.
Clearly he meant that Marvel is running out of pipeweed.
Excellent point and I completely agree
The memory lane store literally seems like a Rick and Morty episode where they stumble upon that store and find out they are selling their memories to people without consent or something.
I could also see the red light green light actually being a funny joke. Like Morty is curiously going through ideas of what differences are in the universe they're in and then Rick is just like "Yeah it's just the lights Morty. Red means go....in retrospect that sounded better in my head."
“The reason why DC is doing great right now…”
-The biggest oof moment into the EFAP by far, Warner’s curse of incompetence is catching up with them in real time fast and hopefully Zaslev can drop the dead weight around there especially on the comic side of things.
God, imagine if the comics actually become readable again. So long, troons. Goodbye, commie feminists.
I think it’s fair to say DC has never done great; just had great moments via individual films.
DC has Joker and Batman. That's more than Marvel had in last 4 years.
@@Сайтамен Even The Suicide Squad would qualify as decent those days, the plot is passed out drunk on the sideroad but at least the characters are entertaining, same for NWH on Marvel's side i guess?
@@nmr7203 The only one pretending people care about comic books being produced today is the publishers.
I like to appreciate the fact there's a dead Celestial coming out of Earth, and no one talks about it, when it was setup in Guardians that the resources they can farm from a dead Celestial are super valuable, and the Avengers (or what is left of them anyways) would probably know that through maintaining contact with the Guardians, Thor, and Captain Marvel.
...and it's not like SHIELD goes to great lengths to harvest everything alien tech that they find.
...but it's fine. Just consume and forget.
@@Wyzai What are SHIELD doing nowadays? Where are they? Why haven't they shown up since like, Far From Home? Why isn't anyone talking about them?
You'd think they'd step in to intervene with the events of like, Wandavision, Falcon and Winter Soldier, Moon Knight, etc etc etc, ask sone questions, kick names, take ass. Now they've kinda been replaced by the Department of Damage Control and Wong for some reason.
It *did* end at Endgame for a lot of us, myself included. Haven’t touched an MCU production since.
The only reason I went to see No-Way Home was because a friend begged me to. Legit not giving any more money to Disney.
Only film/show I've seen in Phase 4 is No Way Home and that was more to do with finishing the Spider-Man trilogy
@@xpurplethighs7596 I never liked the first Spider-Man film/characters in the MCU, so I had no real interest in continuing, regardless of checking out after Endgame.
@@SilvrSavior My Rodent House boycott is now three years deep and then some.
@@SumDumGy Yeah that's totally understandable. I found them decent but nothing super spectacular other than at least the villain wasn't killed like a creature of the week as other films had.
I recently watched Avengers again and Thanos is referred to indirectly in scenes between Loki and the Chitauri. It’s established that Thanos is the one pulling the strings without saying his name specifically.
The build up is this higher level threat than even the Chitauri. The Thanos reveal in the credits is putting a face to it
Not sure how they missed it or what happened, but infinity war also referenced the 2012 attack. “Since he sent an army through space and now he’s back..”
The Other has a horned chin just like the N'Garai and the Chthon statue in Multiverse of Madness, confirming fan theories dating back to the movies release in 2012.
If The Other was indeed an avatar of Lord Chthon, then he is the true big bad, as everything originates from him, Kang is just his pawn.
I want to go ahead and agree with Typoh about a point that I don't think he phrased very well. It seems to me as well that the MCU wants to have their cake and eat it too. By that I mean they have no interest in keeping characters or the world even remotely consistent, but then still bring in characters and references from other movies and TV shows to get claps from the audience.
I think you're right. They're "trapped" by their own success in making such a success interconnected world. They've reached the point that comics do in that new writers coming in have lore and plot threads that are years old to deal with, but writers also don't want to put in the effort to keep that straight. DC and Marvel comics used to have efficient editors who had the power to keep things relatively on track (to a greater or lesser extent), but the MCU has never come across as having the desire to do this.
Efap is the only reason to look forward to anything mcu.😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
oh, 😮
@Invalidcookie not a high bar
The dude born in 2003 made me feel old too..
My 1st thought was "ah 2003, so he is like 11 or something"
Efap has almost completely replaced my cinema intake. I just play video games and listen to efap instead of going to the movies or subscribing to Disney + or any other sub. I really only go outa my way for what you praise would have never watched the Batman, the suicide squad, underwater, and arcane if it wasn’t for your coverage.
That’s awesome man, I’m the same. Don’t forget to find other ways to hang out with your friends though! (if you’ve stopped going to the cinema with them!)
Same. They're a good filter in today's climate, where I just can't be fucked to give franchise productions a chance anymore.
I just realized what bugs me about Black Bolts death. His nose isn't plugged and his mucosa is strong enough to stop his power, therefore it wouldn't be able to blow out his head, the power would just come out his nose.
I remember this being mentioned during the EFAP coverage of DS2: MoM.
Instead of going out the nasal cavity(you mentioning), or tearing apart the skin covering the mouth, or even from the ears or eyes, it exits the back of the skull. *AND* this only happens because the proclaimed "Smartest man in the world(or universe, forgetting which specifically) gives Wanda a forewarning.
There isn't much that makes sense with that death.
The idea that he screamed at all was just shit. He has trained since a young age to not let out a fucking peep no matter what unless he wants to fucking atomize something.
Hes a superhero for fucks sake, hes probably been beat to shit and had to hold his voice in to not destroy the planet, yet we're expected to believe he screamed because he was a bit surprised?
tbh if he screamed and it came out his nose and made him blast off like team rocket it would have been incredible, 10/10 movie phase 4 saved
@@ClobberingSocks Truly, such a scene would have been phenomenal!
In Treebeard voice: "But now something is about to happen that has not happened for an age; a featured essayist joins the stream!"
If you're wondering, Ms. Marvel also had potentially world-ending stakes. Also, What-If had multiverse ending stakes. In fact, What-If produced a villain so powerful that I can't imagine any way the live action movies can top it. They've already blown their biggest possible threat, and they wasted him on a silly cartoon that a bunch of people skipped.
Out of curiosity who was the big villain in What If?
@@beachwind7274 Ultron. In one timeline, he succeeds in putting himself in Vision's body and killing everyone on Earth. Then Thanos shows up with the other 5 infinity stones (don't ask) and Ultron kills him (don't ask) and takes all six stones for himself. Then Ultron flies through space, purging every planet in the galaxy. Then, for some reason, his eyes are opened to the existence of other universes and he sets out to purge every one of them. The Watcher pulls together 6 of the protagonists from earlier episodes to stop him.
@@beachwind7274 to add to the reply above, A doctor strange in what if was able to manifest and gained the power of every mystical being in his universe (and even his past self) which ruined the timeline and turned his universe into a never ending void where only he exist, and this doctor strange was the main person who was able to beat Ultron alongside archer black widow and computer virus Zola.
The Beyonders.
3:30:50 i think it really just boils down to Scorsese being (understandably) big mad because he’s spent his life creating these incredibly well made and thought out movies just to turn around and see his biggest box-office achievements being blown out of the water several times by this MCU garbage just being pumped out of the cinematic equivalent of a puppy mill, and i can see how that can turn someone bitter enough to want to completely disconnect them from his line of work, and also be in denial about the fact that for some reason MCU sludge is just genuinely preferred by mainstream audiences in comparison to movies with actual logic and heart, hes still wrong about them not being cinema tho lmao
I feel like you wrote this with the intention of sort of defending Scorsese but you've basically just said that he's bitter, jealous, and disconnected from reality lol
@@skyviking349 He is. His movies are also awful to boot
@@skyviking349 not defending him at all, he really is bitter, jealous and disconnected from reality, and i wont deny it, just saying i kinda get why, i’d like to say i’d handle it better if i was in his exact position but tbh i’m not sure i would lmao
@@HerohammerStudios in comparison to marvel movies?
Wew lad
It's interesting going back and hearing them talk about Andor here.
I think the aimlessness of Phase 4 is a problem, but I think the bigger issue is how much content the MCU is pumping out, yet the quality control seems to be non-existent nowadays. It's no wonder the VFX artists are starting to speak up against the studio.
I checked it out we are getting a similar amount of shows/movies in the Multiverse Saga as we did in the Infinity Saga in the same timeframe as it took to get up to Avengers 1.
Thanos was so iconic because you had almost a full decade of teasing him. Kang is getting teased and beaten in the same amount of time it took for Loki to start his redemption arc.
LOL at Capt's stories "ended". I can easily pull out a thing he can do. He should be in She-Hulk. Even though he's old. He trained She-Hulk in martial arts, in the comic. He can still do that as a mentor role. But nope, nowhere to be found. LALALA. Maybe you shouldn't have broken your time travel rules, Marvel. For that one scene. So people couldn't ask for him anymore.
It's funny because everything post-Endgame seems to treat the scene like it never even happened lmao
1:16:00 I think it's pretty clear that what is meant by certain characters have run their course, while others have stories yet to tell is that certain characters have had closure, while others haven't. Yes, we don't like the way they got closure, but it is a full arc with a beginning and end. I think his example of Spider-man was a bit iffy because you could argue that the Home trilogy has an arc and closure and could just end there, knowing that he continues on but his life as it was is over. But, very little of what's happened with the Guardians has had any closure, yet. They have a lot of hanging story threads. Peter, Gamora, and Nebula have had some "complete" arcs individually, but other characters haven't and the group as a whole hasn't and Star-Lord and Gamora's relationship had an end and a restart to have them currently in the middle of an active arc.
Yes, it's purely because we've been told "this character is done, now" whether it's good or not, but I understand that what's meant is that they do have an arc with a beginning and end, while others are currently still at the beginning or middle (or, with Thor, on a constant restart).
1:09:58
The Long Knight: “DO YOU BLEED?!”
Disney/marvel: (sneers before flying off to ruin more things)
Long Knight: “…You Will…”
Long Knight and Long Kong
I'll go to bat in defense of the "Pokemon has always been at least a little dark" but even i agree that the mega evolution pokedex entries are MEGA EDGE.
Mega Lucario is so powerful its always teetering on going insane, and mercilessly beats its enemies (even the anime showcases that one).
Mega Gengar wants to eat its trainer if given the chance.
Alakazam gains incredible psychic power but it loses all its muscles and has NO physical strength.
Scizor will MELT if its Mega Evolved for too long.
This is going to soung very tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist.
Mega Evolutions got pokedex entries in sun and moon. This was the same game that introduced a new gimmick (Z moves, essentially a once per battle super move) and started to phase Mega Evolutions out of the game, as you couldn't mega evolve until you beat the game, and they aren't in sword and shield.
I wholeheartedly believe thst the reason the entries are so violent and made to seem like you're hurting your pokemon by doing them is to make people not feel bad about getting rid of it in favor of new future gimmicks.
When Mega Evolutions were introduced it was made clear that your pokemon could achieve it due to having an incredibly strong bond with you, it was literally achieved by the power of friendship.
*reads last bit*
Doesn't that mean Umbreon and Sylveon are technically mega evo's then?
@@Leotheleprachaun not quite. Mega Evolutions aren't able to be achieved without a Mega Stone and Key. Except Ash Greninja, because their bond was literally that strong.
Friendship evolutions are just pokemon becoming comfortable enough to call you family or something.
6:00:25 MauLer was Naruto on the swing watching everyone have fun at the academy.
Oooh! At 1:57:06 Rags says that DC "litterally wipe their slate clean" - but I highly doubt anybody at DC actually, litterally wiped any slate, and so Rags has failed his own rule, failed as a human and a dog and a fursona and a youtuber and a critic and a..... okay, I'll calm down, but I just had a nice gotcha-moment in my car, driving home and I was so excited to share it!..
16:07 Cell vs Gohan was one of the best moments in dragonball imo. Theyre firing beams into each other sure, but it creates such good character moments for practically the entire cast as they try to help Gohan out. You *can* build something meaningful around something as simple as a beam clash.
Yeah Dragonball z is cool when you're 8. Then you watch it years later and realize it's REALLY not. Cell is literally just all the old villains in 1 guy. They recycle every trope from previous seasons. Set up Gohan to be the big Strongman, then immediately cuck him in the following seasons. Continues with the same story arc over and over and over. New Powerfulman shows up. Heros train to get more strong to be able to beat new powerfulman. Rinse & repeat. Cliche adolescent power fantasy turned up to 11.
@Subpar JennaTalia Agreed. This is going to be controversial, but a lot of anime falls under that umbrella. People are just too precious to admit it. Friezas saga was good, but I think "Dragonball" is far superior to anything they put out after. Great balance of silly comedy and fun action wrapped up in a heros journey, with some interesting fantasy thrown in. It is a bit pervy, but culturally it checks out.
@@padenbang7375 there's so much to what you said that I could discuss but non of it really addresses my original comment so it'd be starting an entirely unrelated conversation about how good is dragon ball (which is not what I was trying to do).
@@padenbang7375 I suppose I should clarify that my viewing experience is kai, its updated voice acting with a script that accurately follows the manga, a normal soundtrack (not constant noise like z) and lacks the filler episodes. I was never a fan of original Z
@Subpar JennaTalia my original comment wasnt arguing that cell was a good villain but I feel like he deserves a bit more credit than 'lazy'. I would call Cell simplistic for sure, he's very short sighted and his only real goal was to achieve his perfect form. That being said once he achieves his perfect form what he does (in pursuit of testing his own limits) provides some of the more interesting moments in z/kai imo, giving the z fighters time to prepare themselves to give him a proper challenge (and all the banter that creates between them by extension), announcing his presence to the world through that broadcast (and their reaction to it, mr satan), cell building himself a proper ring for his tournament and even risking the possibility of being defeated by a ring out (for a time). He makes for a good foil for Gohan and provided a very natural moment for everyone to join the battle against him in the end. Frieza saga is my second favorite, wasnt a fan of the zenkai boosts, seemed like a highly abuseable mechanic that was only really utilized in that arc (and was used to get the cast through alot of the arc, 4-5 times it saves them), all of the sneaking around and tactical thinking from krillin and co was fun to see tho.
I think Typoh should be invited to marvel and DC EFAP episodes as a full guest in the future. He certainly gave a good audition in this one :) .
The most telling part was when he forgot Ant Man and the Wasp after previously calling it forgettable. Also forgetting Captain Marvel. Very based.
It's pretty strange how suddenly it seems like everyone outside of this community turned against Phase 4. With almost every project that came out, there was public praise and the typical hollow defense against those that saw through it. Each project was "the new best of the MCU." Several Phase 4 things have the highest audience and critical scores. I've seen plenty of criticism from our sector, but nothing but praise and defense from the standard stans.
Suddenly, with Thor 4, a large portion of people are now saying that there's something wrong with Phase 4 and something needs fixed.
I'm not even sure why the sentiment started, because I'm still seeing mostly "No, it's good, actually" of every individual piece, just not the Phase as a whole. I guess most of what I'm personally seeing just has the sentiment that it's kind of disjointed and doesn't seem like it'll have an actual wrapping up bookend, like an Avengers movie, and that Phases 4-6 look like one giant phase that's capped off with the first Avengers team movie in years.
But, no. Phase 4 has been mostly shit the whole way through. Thanks for noticing.
“I was born in 2003!”
STOP
WE HAVE TO GO BACK
As many MCU characters have been assassinated in the last 2 years or so, I am still the most offended about what was done to Wanda Maximoff. I really want to explain why, as every time I try to vent elsewhere, MCU stans come at me saying "nah bruh, she was always gonna become a deranged murderer, you just don't understand what character development is." Bull. Fucking. Shit! Anyway...
I suffer from severe depression, and I've always found Wanda's resolve to push through all her heartache and use her powers to help people extremely inspiring (gag all you like, it's how I feel). Leaving aside the question of how well written her story from Age of Ultron to Endgame was, or how good or bad the movies she was in were, I felt extremely connected to Wanda as a character, because if someone who has gone through as much as she has can continue to be a hero, I see no reason why I can't press on through this shitstorm of a world.
Then we get to Phase 4, where all that is thrown out the window; now she's a complete psychopath who has no qualms whatsoever with putting thousands of people (children included) under agonizing pain and mental torment for an unclear amount of time, refusing to let them out even when they are ASKING HER TO KILL THEM RATHER THAN KEEP THEM IN THERE. I genuinely wanted to reach into the screen and throttle Monica when she had the gall to try and validate this horrific act, but that isn't even the worst of it. Come MoM (I fucking hate that acronym) she is suddenly a sadistic maniac who indiscriminately murders God knows how many sorcerers, tortures the ones she doesn't kill, takes pleasure in slaughtering the Illuminati (the moment when she coldly executes Reed knowing she just put this universe's Sue Storm in the same situation as her genuinely made me wonder if I was having a nightmare about how thoroughly FUBAR she was), and was willing to kill an alternate version of herself to steal Tommy and Billy (who, may I remind you, she knew for a grand total of three fucking days!).
The worst part of all this is that I feel like I'M the crazy one for reacting this way. Everywhere I go I see nothing but love for what has been done with Wanda in Phase 4; is this what being gaslit feels like?
To see a character I felt so close to go completely against everything she stands for was quite possibly the most insulted I have ever felt by a piece of media. Fuck Jac Schaffer, fuck Michael Waldron, and fuck Marvel in general at this point! [I still love Elizabeth Olsen regardless; she's an incredible actress, and even if she is OK with what has been done with this character, I will continue to support her.]
(As much as I hate the fact that Sam Raimi endorsed evil Wanda, I do owe him a thank you for executing so badly that it eliminated any doubts about my feelings towards her assassination.)
I know it's stupid of me to get so emotionally invested in a shitty superhero franchise, but I can't help it; that's just how I am.
I bow before Hitlerys.
FUBAR?
@@HerohammerStudios Fucked Up Beyond All Recognition
@@mr.barcode3186 Ah, gotcha
I completely get your feelings and I don’t think you’re overreacting. What they did was basically character assassination for almost no reason, it’s not like they couldn’t have done this plotline with only her and not another character. It’s so stupid. I genuinely feel bad about it the more I think about how they handled her character too 🙁
7:11:01 - I've heard your critiques and made changes to the MauLopoly board.
1. E;R Railroads have been changed to the EFAP Philosophers (Bilbo Baggins, Bigideas, Freudian, and Hibble Subbledees)
2. E;R is now a playable character
3. Just Visiting spot (Just used Express VPN) has been changed to Switched to Singapore
4. Jail Spot (Got Hacked) has been revamped to You're Robotting, and the prison bars have been changed to a glitched picture of Metal Commander (might change to Fringy since his mic robots more often)
5. Spider Milk has been changed to Green Milk with a picture of Luke Skywalker and his green milk mustache.
6. Boardwalk is now LOTR Trilogy and Park Place is The Star Wars Trilogy.
7. Green Tier Film Properties are (in ascending order): Predator, Alien, and Terminator 2: Judgement Day
8. Yellow Tier Film Properties are: Mission Impossible Fallout, Parasite, and The Prestige
9. Red Tier Film Properties are: Iron Man, Captain America Civil War, and Avengers Infinity War
10. Orange Tier Film Properties are: Batman & Robin, The Suicide Squad, and Joker
11. Magenta Tier Film Properties are: The Snyder Cut Justice League, Man of Steel, and Batwoman
12. Sky Blue Tier Film Properties are: Doctor Strange in The Multiverse of Madness, Black Panther, and Captain Marvel
13. The Han Solo dice have been altered slightly to have traditional dice dots instead of the Sabacc Symbols.
I'm currently working on the Box Art and adding more MEME cards as well as Superchat cards.
The current board is posted on Reddit (r/mauLer)
Honestly with the superchat they read near the end that said "We're coming for your masculine men cope and seethe" it could be satire but coming from that dude who defended kenobi that rags covered, these people exist. They even have their own subreddit where they cope and seethe all day r/MovieCirclejerk
Haven't checked that sub for years, aren't they just mostly contrarians? I don't remember them having problems with masculine men, but who knows lol
Ah, the reupload goes up on my birthday. And great to finally catch Metal's praise for Mask of the Phantasm, I was hoping he'd love it.
happy birthdaytisms 🎉
cake day woo
Happy borthdoay.
Happy birthday 🎂
Happy Birfday Massive!
You can't say that because Guardians worked that it's possible for Justice League to do the same. The characters in Justice League are too big, they carry too much weight. No one knew who the Guardians were, you could do anything with them and no one would care, which is what Gunn did by the way.
As a life long comic fan I hated what he did with Drax and Starlord. I still enjoyed the movie but those characters are not even close to how are they are in the comics. I know you guys don't put much stock into the adaptions being faithful but I'd like to see a Buffy remake and watch Mauler have a meltdown LOL.
Well said. I never understood the sentiment that the MCU should be set completely apart from the comic canon. The MCU literally doesn't exist without the comics. Why shouldn't that matter??? So according to that logic, the "Rings of Power" shouldn't be judged by Tolkien's work. Seems silly
Edit: Buffy is an objectively bad show. Cringey, cheesey dialogue and plot lines, terrible consistency and continuity in world building, horrifying CGI, C tier acting, 1/2 the episodes being "filler" etc etc. The only praise I will agree with is that it has good characterization. Sure. If you have to qualify a show you like by saying "stick around until season 3, it gets REALLY good" you've already fucked up.
It's funny because they had the exact same criticism of RLM's Kenobi review, saying that they'd care more about it breaking canon if it were Star Trek
@@Evarakeus The MCU has its own canon seperate from the comics. Kenobi is a SEQUEL. It needs to follow the same rules as the original
@@padenbang7375 They're always going to be separate because they inhabit entirely different worlds. Faithfulness only ever applies if pieces that would make the spinoff better are missing while others are present in a disjointed manner (Halo show for example). There is no need to be accurate to the original story if yours is competently put together.
The Rings of Power example falls apart because it is set within a universe that already exists in the films which it is banking on existing, it isn't adapting much of anything outside of a lot of information covered in the Silmarallion. But as it stands it is a prequel to the film trilogy, it isn't standing on its own. If it contradicts Jackson's LOTR trilogy it's bad regardless of accuracy to Tolkien's work, which is another example of why being accurate isn't necessary.
Just to tie this up; the reason why the MCU and the comics are separate is because they are separate. The MCU might not exist without the comics but that's irrelevant. I wouldn't exist without my grandparents but that doesn't mean I have to emulate everything they did, iteration demands change.
@@The1337guy1 The critique of the Rings of Power example doesn't hold up. According to the logic presented, as long as a film/show adaptation is internally consistent with it's own narrative it doesn't need to adhere to previous events to be objectively good, right? ROP could say Galadriel is a dwarfish warrior in this timeline and Gandalf is a Hobbit wizard. As long as they never contradict that information (their own world building) within the show, or kill the characters outright, then it can be objectively good while altering the canon it's adapting from.
If this is how the relationship between source material and adapted material functions: why make an adaptation of the source material at all? Why bait an existing fan base with an adaptation of their favorite book, short story, or movie if the studio/director isn't interested in telling the story with the characters that fans know and enjoy; other than making as much money as possible off bait.
Unfaithfulness to the source material is only accepted by viewers of the adaptation that are unfamiliar/ignorant of canon. Even if the Halo show had been well written and internally consistent, the changes they made to canon ensure the show could not represent the Halo universe as existing fans understood it. They could have set it during the Insurrection, but the insurrectionists are a radical religious sect that call themselves the Covenant, and we never see any Aliens at all. It could be internally consistent and well written but would leave Halo fans confused and frustrated. Only those that know the source material will be offended.
Simply put: a well written movie can be a bad adaptation, and a badly written movie can be a good adaptation. *Both* elements matter. They're not exclusive.
If studios are going to adapt popular works they should only change things to mend internal inconsistencies extant in the source material. Improve it. They don't care about adapting the story for fans. They parade their own story, characters, and universe, around in the skin of a beloved IP. We shouldn't be calling these adaptations to begin with. They're mutilations of the source material.
If memory is serving correctly, I believe the episode where Marge says something like
" It's an ending, I guess that's it" or whatever the quote is, came from the episode where Roger Myers, Jr. loses Itchy & Scratchy Studios to the hobo who really created the characters. And then you had single-use characters Lester & Eliza (I think?) finding the solution & getting the credit, rather than Bart & Lisa, like usual. They then ask Marge the initiating interrogative about what kind of ending that was, to which she replies "it's just an ending".
*If the above turns out to be inaccurate, which is always a possibility, I'd like to say in my own future defense, that stated info was from the last viewing being had like 17+ years ago, as best I can recall. Apologies for inaccuracies which may occur.
Modern video essayists: arguing about Marvel movies
Mauler: What the hell are you two doing?
V.E 1.: It's called, Reader Response Theory!
V.E. 2: You wouldn't understand, Longman, you're not "with it:!
Mauler: I used to be with it, but then they changed what it was! Now what I'm with isn't it, and what's "it" seems weird and scary to me! It will happen to you!
3:19:55 Regarding favourite moments in superhero movies...
My favourite scene is in Spiderverse, the Leap of Faith, where he finally becomes Spiderman, and the music sequence that follows.
For Marvel movies, Ironman's suiting up scenes, or, well, the earlier ones, because there is the mechanical elements.
Phase 4 was the strategic deployment of assets in the attempt build a catalog of “premier streaming Television” and “VOD quality “ movies for Disney+ Plus
Cool of him to come on the show and join right in and be so level headed hope they invite home back to EFAP again
1:56:18 DS MoM was going to be released before SM NWH, America Chavez was going to be the spell caster in NWH which went wrong, that's why is so jarring that Strange casts the spell wrong. This is the best they could come up with :(
"What if in guardians 2 they all decided to retire, does that mean their story is over?"
They accurately predicted the ebding to guardians 3. Wild.
Also excited when it's another episode with Jon, great guest
Fair play to Typo for coming on
I hope GDELB has insanely frantic editing for part of it.
Always a great listen thanks everyone
I finally figured out why Typoh’s editing style annoys me to no end! You guys hear how often music is being changed throughout the video, but it’s never when he finishes a paragraph or even a sentence: it’s only when he changes one visual scene to the next.
Is the guy wanting to give us auditory whiplash or something!? We want to listen to your argument about this, that, or the other, but cool it with the remote until you finish a statement at the very least!
Keep having Jon CJG on the show! He has good takes.
2:45:18 Mauler almost summoning MovieBob there. Careful!
Think we just watched the birth of a new EFAP member
I love how accurate some of these predictions are. Mauler all "Yeah some Marvel writer it going to be all 'hue hue Tony Stark was a Skrull the whole time hue hue" and not knowing that a year later he'd find out that it was Rhodie the entire time.
3:27:20 Jon has peered into the future and brought up Efap 233 8 months early with the Soul vs Soulless comment 😂
In today's episode, Mauler's TV robot tries and fails at playing hard to get with him.
So, I used to go to the minor league hockey team back in my home town of San Diego (honestly, the San Diego Gulls were the least embarrassing sports team in the city). But I'll always remember that one of the arcade games in the arena was "Marvel Super Heroes" where the Heroes fight to reclaim the Infinity Gems before facing Thanos. But the mechanic of the game was that you were fighting the other characters, stealing gems, and certain moves and combos were empowered when you had one of the gems.
Point it - I always wished that the infinity gems in the MCU were like how they were in that game/in the comics. Guardians of the Galaxy set a bad precedent where using the power gem was (nearly) too much for one person to handle on their own - where in the comics the Power Gem also made the person using it invulnerable. Now, Phase 2 had done an "okay" job setting up a few of the gems, but Phase 3 should have had a connective through-line of "get the gems before Thanos", where the gems trading hands leads to fantactical adventures that showcase just how dangerous any one of the gems are, leading us to realize how powerful one could be if they had more than one.
When people talk about the MCU, it is not the bastion of long-form story-telling that some people claim that it is. And while we got more than a few entertaining movies out of the deal, some good character moments and development... ultimately the movies took a minimalist path to setting up the Infinity Stones - when it could have been a much wilder ride.
I think that the stones served as the biggest build up to Thanos beyond his presence. Watching the stones effect and sometimes jumpstart stories was a good way to foreshadow the Mad Titan, the guy who can use all of these powers at once. I’m not saying he was done perfectly, but the lack of the ever present reminder Infinty Saga had forces the new phase to rely on actual storytelling, which they evidently cannot do.
Last media thing that made me cry?
Ori and the Blind Forest prologue.
Started replaying last night
I brought up the lack of free will in Loki and how it undercuts the entire MCU to someone and the response I got was "No it's great! It's fun because it's like in real life where people aren't sure if they have free will or not". I told him to go walk off a cliff but he didn't because he has free will and apparently doesn't stand by his arguments.
I mean, in a sense I am excited to see both Marvels, Kate Bishop, Yelena and all the other new leads in one movie because I genuinely want to see how their main character energies would clash and what kind of compromise would those reach.
(Realistically they would probably be dumped in a battle mid fighting and instantly form the most agreeable of teams with coolest choreographed two-women moves)
1:06:56 - Mauler - "I don't know that any studio is ever going to invest in writing at this point."
Roughly 1 year later - Both writers AND actors have gone on strike.
"Kevin Feige was a grand architect"
Oh you mean the same Kevin Feige who wanted to bring Captain Marvel in so bad that they had an entire previsualization of her entrance in the ending of Age of Ultron and Joss fucking Whedon of all people told him to "chill out bro" which is how we ended up with Scarlet Witch floating down in that scene?
That is your grand architect?
If you were born in the 20th century, thanks for dragging your old bones to be here today
1999, I am so old...
@@Сайтамен 1990, sonny-jim.
Edit: Please keep this going
You youngins don't know how good you have it. Back in my day 1996 we didn't have Marvel Movies, just the World Trade Center.
@@gottesurteil3201 Only Marvel we had was good old Blade, and we appreciated it
How didn't Fringy know about frilled neck lizards? It's one of icons.
Fringy I appreciate you singing the beginning of Bullet with Butterfly Wings.
Concerning "What If," I agree that there were, for the most part, some neat ideas present in the show. The execution, however, was terrible in so many ways. Especially Ultron with the infinity stones. Ooohhh boy, there's a lot to talk about.
Oh yea, the idea that having all the stones can make you strong enough to threaten the multiverse is absurd.
@@VexdinLord I don't necessarily have an objection to the concept, but it hard-core contradicts IW and Endgame, which implied to me that using the stones took a physical toll on you. But, hey, if you're animated or a Kane organization, doesn't matter, does it?
@@starbolt0636 How would stones from one universe even work in another universe? Don't they connect to aspects of creation from that universe, which is why they were paperweights in Loki?
@@VexdinLord It doesn't make a lot of sense when you dig into it. They're using different ideas in different places, straight-up.
We want more Typoh!
Jon is always a great guest.
There's people out there that think a 15 year old making her own suit doesn't directly devalue tony stark
1:08:00 I don’t care how much money you invest into scripting. I don’t care how many redrafts, revisions, or concept is frameworks you build. It doesn’t matter NONE of this matters when the fundamental focus of your writing is a lie. Hollywood writers cannot create amazing worlds because they have taken their doctrine of cultural destruction to its logical conclusion.
Used to be there was at least a little bit of truth in every lie. Now even that is gone and the framework upon which they built their empire of sand is crumbling.
Lol where are all the great Christian or right wing writers making stories based on "truth"? God's Not Dead 2 is still lower quality than MoM.
The only thing I've found good that's on a right wing bend is Kamen America, but it's drawing extremely heavily from Sailor Moon (which had a gay relationship and was extremely marketed with "girl power" messages). And even then, the right-wing Christian elements either detract from the story or make it cringe. The only moment I can think of where it actually enhances the narrative is when the main priest character turns out to secretly be part of a group of superhero priest/exorcists. Maybe actually try to build a single wall in a glass house before throwing stones.
You okay, bud?
At no point did I say you have to be Christian or “right wing” to write truth. That’s obviously not the case and the assumption is a little insulting. Yes? I agree ? christian/religious/right wing writers can be guilty of the same thing in their fervor you see it all the time in Christian writings the difference is production.
I find it interesting that this was the assumed implication that everything L am bad and everything R are good.
And no I’m definitely not okay. I mean I’m physically and mentally okay Im just trying to explain the inexplicable inside a dogma that doesn’t allow for explanation
It’s cultural destruction and it’s intentional. I mean hell they literally wrote it into Star Wars “bury the past. Kill it if you have to” and if you think a line like that wasn’t fed to Johnson idk what to tell you.
The whole purpose is to build a new kind of culture. Christianity’s got nothing to do with it that was destroyed long ago.
@@virtueofabsolution7641 your name is Virtue of Absolution lol. And you're spouting opinions that have absolutely no basis in reality, including a post-truth world and that modern writers are building stories made on lies. This is textbook Christian propaganda, it's literally bleeding through when you don't even intend it, apparently. I know because I heard my parents and all the Christian speakers and talk-show-hosts say shit like this all the time growing up. You're in an idealogical bubble, my friend.
My assumption is that things that are well-written are good. I dislike ideological biases getting in the way of writing, no matter which way they lean. The current marvel writers have an idealogical bias in a certain sense, but just having a bias doesn't make you a bad writer. Being bad at resolving character arcs and structuring a plot makes you a bad writer. There are also multiple good movies that have come out recently, such as Everything Everywhere All at Once, and The Northman. Are these all corrupted by a post-truth morality? Or does it only kick in for things you don't like?
I think you should get off the internet and connect with the real world for a bit...
Just FYI, Nerdstalgic used to be 1 guy, and he was great. Now he has at least 1 other, maybe more, that do videos under his same name. And the quality has gone down, while the output has increased.
Really liked how Yugioh got brought up, still playing the game whether online or physical (i.e. Edison or Goat Format both are great). Also, when I first watched EFAP it was around 2020 which is when the Tri-brigade archetype came out and I noticed a resemblance of Tri-brigade Nervall and Fringy’s avatar. By the way, for those who aren’t interested into playing the card game one thing I like about is the artwork in the cards for certain archetypes tells some nice stories. For example; Tri-brigade, Despian, Branded, Dogmatika and like 5 more archetypes tell one BIG story.
3:59:00 It's more brave to be self-aware and change your mind because you learned something better than sticking to the point and not understanding or aren't aware it's not a good point to stand on and keep holding on to that point.
I actually wanted phase four to just be a bunch of spider man homecomings: small scale character focused stories that built the world, but we didn't get that.
Don't know if this has been suggested before but I'm just waiting for something to reveal that every installment in Phase 4 is in a different timeline. This would be the retcon trying to excuse why they don't have to make sense with the other movies. They'll say that this was the plan all along, justifying why they never made a larger storyline for this phase.
You really think Marvel let people "do whatever they want" in Phase 4? Just because there's no cohesion doesn't mean that the creatives weren't bombarded by horrible notes, restricted to outlines dictated by old pre-vis and given actually no time to work in at all. You guys have talked about all of this stuff.
I think what they're trying to get across is how every story seems to pretty much completely disregard or ignore the others
Even Ned in Spiderman summoned Spidermans from different verses
2:18:00 The writer for She-Hulk said in an interview that she pitched the show as much more court centric, then when they got in the writer's room realized that none of the writers knew how to do that. So they just decided to not make the lawyer stuff a focus. What the hell? And why would you volunteer that information in a promotional interview?
She also said that everyone's comparing it to Ally McBeal and that references to Ally McBeal were added in post but none of the writers were old enough to be familiar with or have watched Ally McBeal. I know, being older, things don't seem as long ago as they were, and it was a show that was on 20 years ago, but the head writer saying this is 38. She may not have watched it, but she's old enough to have. And, it's streaming on Hulu. These days, I'd reckon that Futurama is more well remembered and something that someone with her resume might be more familiar with, and there's an entire episode spoofing Ally McBeal. It just makes me wonder - I am generally pretty familiar with the ins and outs and history and successes and failures of my overall industry. How do you go into getting a job on a single female lawyer show without having any familiarity of THE single female lawyer show? Also, how old are the people in this writer's room?
Jessica Gao's statements on this show just bring up... so many questions.
If it's a good show, fantastic. Her interview made me lose any hope for it that I had.
5:09:38 What I love about that "Secret Wars" is it's literally the plot of Crisis on Infinite Earths from DC. Couldn't base it on the original Secret Wars that had its own original plot and which is much better known and beloved. No, they have to rip-off the plot of a much better DC storyline.
(And to be fair "Battleworld" is the one reference to the original Secret Wars, wherein the name actually made sense)
((And FYI Castle Grayskull from He-Man is actually the where the good guys like to hang out. Skeletor hangs out on Snake Mountain))
Can't believe that Michael Waldron is writing secret wars movie. The guy who wrote loki and Multiverse of madness....just wow
Good point; Multiverse of Madness had be quite literally angry in theatres. Of all the possibilities, to make it so bad, bland, character (and physical) assassination's left and right...
Pour one out for the GDELB man. Damn, sucks that we won't be seeing a new one next year but I understand. It's better to shelve an idea than wear it down to nothing, I could easily see GDELB just becoming an entirely "haha random, this is random so it's funny right? Right?!" if the passion isn't there.
6:39:50 Prime example of Fringy still not caring about spoilers even though he was refusing to play Soma for years...
3:13:00 Scorseze just said that the marvel films aren't kino. He is an avid user of the 4chan /tv/ boards.
I think this guy would be pretty good with just a little bit of refining
I hadn't realized Fringy had dropped his endgame video, ima go watch that now
At this point I think the only thing that'll save the MCU's continuity is saying that every movie in Phase 4 has taken place in a different universe, so that's why characters and events don't seem consistent. But I don't they're smart enough to do something that stupid.
The Sacred Chart/ chickens was a South Park reference. The episode where the recession hits
Black Atom is . . . not a hero. He started World War 3. Punched Terra through the chest. Granted I hate Terra so seeing that put a smile on my face even if it made Beast Boy sad but I digress.
Giving Kevin Feige credit for all of Ike Perlmutter's work is absurd. He was in charge until 2015. Feige forced him out during Phase 3 and Phase 4 is entirely his fault.
Honestly I felt bad having skipped The Suicide Squad in theaters because I thought it was one of the best films DC has put out since the Batman Trilogy. I just had so little hope in a good Suicide Squad after the previous film that I avoided it completely.
I can understand that. I think it's financial failure was because of it being released simultaneously on HBO Max, which was only available in some countries.
People didn't have as much reason to go see it in the cinema because of that. They should have just released it exclusively in cinemas, or waited until the next year, when more people could see it.
I don't like this idea that people didn't know who Iron Man was prior to 2008. It's just not true. Maybe non-comic fans didn't know his backstory or his real name but they were aware of the character. You'll never convince me that the average person didn't know who Captain America was prior to the MCU because I remember those times.
Wait... that clip of Hawkeye shooting a PYM arrow to make a gigantic arrow is real?? I saw the editted version of him doing that in Wii sports and thought the giant arrow part was made up! holy crap I'm glad I didn't watch that show
The first video just kept kind of repeating the same "the new movies do this, and yeah so did the older movies, but it was different then because I say it's different", overall just brushing over the real fact which is simply: "all the new movies just aren't written as well"
For the first video, I think some of the difficulty in understanding it is because the intonation is very monotone despite being fast. Looking at other creators known for a rapid delivery style, like Zero Punctuation's Yahtzee or JoCat from Crap Guide to ... they make the effort to really over emphasize the pitch and emotion in the words they are delivering. Part of our understanding of meaning in English comes from which words are emphasized and what tone is used. English-speakers will understand a sentence completely without tone, but it takes longer and may be ambiguous. If speech is rapid-fire like this, it might be necessary to overdo the contrast in emphasis and tone compared to normal speaking so that the listener has to do as little processing as possible. It might also help to cut down on compound sentences as much as you can in the script.
Mcu ended with infinity war Thanos won the end