How To Make £1 Billion In Entertainment
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ส.ค. 2024
- The Sunday Times rich list has been revealed but which are the names from the world of entertainment, and how have they made their money?
Cannes Film Festival is underway, and the world has seen for the first time Francis Ford Coppola's Megalopolis. A film long talked about and self-financed by the man himself, why has he had to put his hand in his own pocket, like Kevin Coster with Horizon: An American Saga, is it all vanity?
Plus, Have I Got News For You is soon to be on US screens. Does the history of UK formats trying to make it in American show it will be a success?
00:00 Intro
01:13 Cannes Film Festival and independent movies
04:35 Most famous movie flop of all time
06:38 How franchise movies have killed Hollywood
14:00 Thursday Murder Club casting of Joyce revealed
14:39 Why some comedy formats don’t work in US
26:35 UK shows that worked and shows that didn’t work in the US
29:39 The Sunday Times Rich List
22:57 How to make a Billion in Showbiz
38:13 Recommendations
40:45 Outro
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It’s the first time I’ve found a podcast where I get excited for the new episode.
I've only just discovered this, and love it.
Me too! Yaaaaaay! 😊
I only discovered this last week and love it too. I'm sending links to it to chums so I can rave about it with them.
Yes. It’s overtaken boffin nibbling in a shed weekly. If Leeds win on Sunday, all the Leeds podcasts will be my new favourites
First time for me in years, really love this podcast
"I don't want to denigrate your Tuscan estate" is a phrase I'm going to try to work into daily conversation.
Am American. I live in the middle of the country and Taskmaster might be the finest television ever made lol. It didn't work in america cause everyone aside from alex was miscast. That's it. Please try again Alex, we love you!
The U.S. has one very successful panel show. It’s been running for almost 30 years. But it’s on the radio. Wait Wait Don’t Tell Me.
Inside Number 9 makes total sense for the stage given the stage play quality of their scripts. I'm only 3 seasons in but the diversity of stories while staying within a particular style is very impressive. The baloon one is my favourite so far.
The US version of LIFE ON MARS got through the pilot process and made it to air. It ran for a full season before being cancelled.
So glad you mentioned Inside No 9, its just brilliant and pulls career best performances from people involved. One of the most moving episodes was the 12 Days Of Christine, Sheridan Smith gave a brilliantly, heartbreaking performance. It's also audacious, look at the Quiz show episode in the last series. I like to think I'm quite tv literate but it had me momentarily fooled because it was played so straight initially. Of course what got me to stick with it was the realisation that 9pm was a weird time to launch something which was so obviously more suited to the afternoon. All the publicity beforehand was trailing a spoof On The Buses parody which they'd even made a poster for. I'm sure there were many people around the country choking on their tea after the 'explosive' finale. This is supposed to be the final series and it deserves to be in the pantheon of classic tv.
the thing to understand about american news networks: Fox News is watched by the kind of people who cannot stand to watch MSNBC. MSNBC is watched by the kind of people who cannot stand to watch Fox News. CNN is watched by the kind of people who cannot find the remote.
Well said.
Always love this pod. this was a fav episode. As a Yank I love to hear how our two entertaiment worlds cross-pollinate. shame we can't get behind panel shows. I love the UK ones on TH-cam.
I can't see HIGNFY ever working in the US. A key feature of it in the UK is that it is politically neutral and makes fun of politicians on both sides equally. Political neutrality just isn't a thing in the US. I've spoken to Americans that refuse to even believe it is possible. An American version of HIGNFY would either need to be on one side of the political aisle or it would need to have a team captain from each side. Either way, that's a completely different show to HIGNFY.
Yes. In the UK, Ian is against whomever is prime minister at the time. Whereas, you just can'tbe against whomever is POTUS. You fLL on one side or the other
I think you may find that it’s very lefty. Unless you are lefty in which case you won’t notice the level of bias.
@@DavidJenkins81999 It tends to be anti-government, so when the government is on the right, it will appear to have a leftward bias. Generally, though, everyone thinks it is biased against their position. You mention that people on the left won't notice the leftward bias, but you have missed that people on the right (including you, I'm guessing) also don't notice when it has a rightward bias.
As a Musician (of sorts) I always have to defer to the famous suggestion, that the best way to make a million dollars in the music biz, is to start with 2 million...
Hope the UK panel format becomes successful in the USA. Would love to see more!
It won't. It never does. The panellists can't get the mix of funny against correct answers. They all fail. It's a shame because looking on YT a lot of USA'ers love UK panel shows.
Really enjoy this podcast. Slightly frustrated that the scheduling is erratic. This one is missing close captioning.
my CC is ok
Interesting, my CC also working now. Wonder if they fixed it or there is a delay on it. Normally I’m watching hours after posting but today it was only minutes.
@@browneyedgirlgb1308 There is often a delay on CC.
CC takes a few hours for TH-cam to process. This episode went live as soon as we'd finished editing the video, so the CC hadn't had time to process!
Wonderful episode. Very engaging.
Yessss, you mentioned inside number 9, its incredible ❤
I know my comment is very late. I would like to thank the channel for explaining in detail Have I Got News For You and the American market.😊
Finally a podcast with sound financial advice.
19:56 _"When you get left-wing and right-wing comics in the United States…they find it less comfortable being funny about politics."_ I guess that's why the responsibility for mocking both sides largely falls to Jon Stewart.
I think Jon Stewart is very left these days. Bill Maher fits the role to mock both sides a bit more?
@@redballoonluke na bill Maher just acts like he fought in ww2 when taking about young people
Waterworld was a childhood movie for me 😂 My Mum - to this day - has it on VHS. I remember being traumatised when he cut off her hair 😅
We are streaming here, not watching network TV anymore. PLEASE put your shows places where they can be streamed ! Need the CC for your show because you talk too fast sometimes. Love the show, love British TV!
I love Marinas shirt!
WTactualF is going on?
I thought the white top was her uniform on this gig - I'm discombobulated!
Nails not quite the right colour to tone with shirt.
She's like a 70s mum. That's a compliment btw
@@thebagelsproductions 🤣
Interesting side note, United Artists was a studio founded by actor/directors Mary Pickford, Douglas Fairbanks Sr. , Charlie Chaplin and DW Griffith who, if my memory of university film studies was correct, wanted more creative control over the films that were being made, and star salaries than MGM, Paramount, & Warners were providing.
Marina, a very professional introduction today. 🙂
It's odd to say there's no money to be made from DVD/VHS. The revenue stream has simply shifted with licenses sold to the streaming platforms rather than VHS distributors.
I loved Thursday Murder Club, and in my head, Joyce was the late great June Whitfield
Celia Imrie is a great choice.
And Ron was James Bolam. I'm sure Pierce Brosnan will be good, but he wasn't exactly in my mind's eye when I was reading the book 😀
So it turned out to be See You Next Wednesday, doesn't have the same ring but worth the wait
The cups are transparent!
Finally recognition for Open Range
I'd argue we have similar panel type shows that have worked in the US. The problem with a lot of the big UK ones being transferred over to the US, like WILTY or Taskmaster, is that they play on smaller networks with small budgets. To even get recognizable names or comics to do either of them, they really need to be on Fox, CBS, ABC, or NBC. The whole point of panel shows is getting recognizable names to draw people in and that can't happen on small networks. Again, panel shows can work here. For example, I'd say the recent version of To Tell the Truth is a good example. It was on a big network where you could decent names for every episode. The issue is getting airtime on those big networks because the time is so valuable. Ideally, they would be able to run a show like Taskmaster or WILTY in the summer where more variety and less sitcoms already happen. I actually think them being on in the summer would be perfect to get people to watch.
I disagree. They're better off on small networks. Big celebrity names don't matter. Comedians matter. Comedians connected to the comedy scene will always get their friends big and small. I think panel shows could thrive somewhere like IFC where they would be made for the people who enjoy it. Network TV ruins it and kills creativity in trying to make it mainstream.
@@nicolasviaje7159 That makes no sense. You can't even get half recognizable or any funny comedians on such small networks. Any comedian that's funny or recognizable is trying to do their own tv series or movie and has no time for small networks. Which leaves you with the bottom of the barrel comedians.
All in all, if we want panel shows to succeed like they do in the UK, then we need to have them air on big networks in primetime hours like the UK. Anything else we produce shows like US WILTY and US Taskmaster that came and went without anyone noticing.
I lament the fact that panel shows don’t work in the U.S. I wish the British ones were at least always available to stream here. The biggies are, but I want more.
Who's Line is unfortunately on the CW here in the US which is barely a network...
another reason UK panel skows don"t do well in the US is they don"t stick to the format.
UK, NZ, Australia and Quebec, Taskmaster episodes are an hour long (with commercials).
In the US it was 30 minutes.
as a Canadian, I've seen every episode of Would I lie to you 3-6 times. I gave up on the US version a few episodes in. They should do a backdoor pilot the next time they want to adapt it by having the host and team captains first appear on the UK version.
or an international version where one team is American and the other team from the UK.
I had Judy dench in my head for Joyce but Celia imrie is a brilliant cast! I think her smarts and comedy timing will b gold! Still just gotta get my head around Ron being played by James Bond 😂 x
Waterworld was Kevin Costner's Heavens Gate, or "Watergate" if you will!
I don't buy the arguments that panel shows can't work in the US. _Dropout, Smosh,_ and _After Midnight_ do similar things online which are often funny. And there are American guests who fit in well on UK panel shows. But whenever UK panels shows are rebooted in the US, they just seem to pick people with the wrong sense of humour. You need people who are great at improv, but with a droll wit rather than being overly theatrical.
As you say it's success will depend on those chosen to host.
With regards to our own version,it should have been put out of its misery years ago,it's borderline unwatchable these days.
we need a fortune hotel segment and thoughts
Holy Smokes! Susie Marr is on the rich list...
Who famously said on The Apprentice "do the French like their children?"
A question that even 13 years on, I still think about at least twice a day.
Have neither of you seen Hollywood Squares? It's a marriage of game show and panel show. Maybe that's the way to reach American audiences?
I think panel shows might work better in Canada where we, like the UK, have a publicly funded national tv network where Canadian comedians get a showcase on programs such as Royal Canadian Air Farce, This Hour Has 22 Minutes, Kids in the Hall, etc.
Also an adaptation of Task Master is producing its third season in Quebec. Its French Language so it's doing well in a very small market.
Panel shows used to be big in the US back in the day. Like mid 20th century. Wonder why they faded out.
If you are lucky enough like me to spend a couple of times in the cinema every week in the the 1970’s and The NFT we were so privileged. And the panel shows verses late night chat shows is fascinating - I love both.
I know of 1 UK style HIGNFY panel show in the US and that's on Radio "Wait Wait Don't Tell Me". Even that seem to be a bit "as you heard it in the hall with a couple of pickups" - tight and home for tea. - Quite a few years ago now Simon Amstell was on "Wait Wait" and he was a bit much for their delicate sensibilities. - Basically he was just riffing and giving edit options and I think I remember later they thought he was wild and "out of control" and referenced his appearance a number of times afterwards.
Just ordered a copy of Easy Riders and Raging Bulls . Thank you for the recommendation . I have not worn a watch since 1969 wheni I saw Peter Fonda throw his away at the beginning of Easy Rider
Inside no.9 💕💕😭🔥
The Spotify version of this episode cuts off before the end.
Norman Lear had a whole career of converting British sitcoms to successful American sitcoms. All in the family... Til death do us part... Sanford and son... Steptoe and son... On and on.
“Gin brand”! I thought you said gym bra. 😂😂😂
Worth noting HIGNFY is not allowed on during the election. So the opposite to the US plan for the show.
Minor correction: Life on Mars was adapted by ABC for 1 season - it was kind of what you would expect as being a bit dumbed down.. the ending in particular was ridiculous in comparison to the BBC version. It did star Harvey Keitel though :)
I have always thought of American humour in the same terms as American chocolate
@@dibdab101it tastes like sick?
@@CulturePhilter I was more thinking inferior quality but the result is the same, 😂
Now I have to ask- how did the ending change??
@@KatPadmore *SPOILERS*
In the US version Sam wasn’t in some kind of afterlife he was in suspended animation while on a space ship flying to Mars (yes they took the title literally) and everything else was a simulation by the computer including his modern day cop life. The time travel within the simulation was a glitch in the programming.
I think I’m remembering that right. It’s been over a decade since I saw it.
George Clooney jumped up the celebrity rich list charts when he sold his tequila brand to Diageo for a billion dollars just a few years after it was was formed.
When rich auteurs direct their passion projects,
will there be a 2nd 2nd AD be sitting behind the director,
leaning in and whispering, each time the director pontificates,
"Memento mori... Memento mori... "
I hope "Have I got news from you" does better than Taskmaster. You know we Americans are not very savvy. Love Taskmaster and was sad our version was terrible. I have watched every season many times. So I hope HIGNFY will translate better.
Out of interest, how many movies constitute a 'franchise'? I get that Marvel/DC etc are franchises...but is the Matrix? Taken films? Shrek? Essentially anything with a sequel?
Good evening Marina, love your shirt...
oi, i tell you what; they made a lot of bloody episodes of Ghosts US, didn't they!
I started watching and it's not repulsive, it's actually rather good! It's just a lot of episodes so I'm saving that for my next illness
Imagine if Waterworld became a "gate" like Heavensgate - it would be "Watergate"! Wait... 🤔
I'm a bit baffled as to why Richard's response to the news that JK Rowling donates so much money to charity that she's no longer a billionarie is "Clever, clever".
Possibly because he thinks no one should be a billionaire. So she's being clever by staying out of that class?
In entertainment know how to take (risks)! You have to make moves in a risky business. reply
re Coppola's vinyards. He once got Robert De Niro Snr in to design a label for the wine, and then never paid him.
That’s pretty funny. I would not dare stiff DeNiro.
This dropped on TH-cam about 15:30 on Wednesday. Both episodes last week were at least a day late.
Is this ever-later arrival intentional?
I really enjoy this, but get a bit impatient.
I reckon the lawyers enforced an edit of a huge amount of litigious material.
They are released on podcast services on time I think its probably to do with editing the video...
@@christophernicolson5086 Marina has been skewering, often hilariously, the not great or good in her column for 20 years, she likely knows her way around our mad (in the UK) litigation laws, both work in TV production.
The audio version is always on time. Our video editors try to turn around the TH-cam version as fast as they can. Sometimes it can take longer to edit a full video episode. Very glad you have high expectations 🤣
@@grahambuckerfield4640 You realise it's a joke right? I just thought the idea that an entertainment podcast had a possible "director's cut" as quite amusing.
I like the episodes in genera, especially when you pull back the curtain on what goes into the day to day on tv shows and movies, but the hosts seem abit condescending about entertainment they see as ‘low brow’, especially Miriam. Makes her come off as pretentious, rude and abit snobby.
I just don't think that a trio of presenter and team captains has been discovered that are talented enough to make a hit panel show in the states. As an example, if they did a version of have i got news for you with Jon Stewart and John Oliver as captains and someone like Craig Ferguson or even Jimmy Carr as host,would that have a chance of working? If that didn't work than i don't think anything could get them watching. It takes a very special kind of quick wit to make a panel show work and American Comedians don't seem to have it. They are great stand up comedians tho.
17:43 I don’t believe it.
What happened to Tuesday? CUNW?
Blame the WiFi. The audio version is always prompt and on time 😉
@@TheRestIsEntertainment I'm just glad it wasn't due to a cease and desist notice from The Rock
I’m American and I’m addicted to British panel shows. However, I can’t imagine watching American do it.
Americans just don’t get banter. The late night shows are a perfect example - the sole banter they have (between the host and the guests) is scripted. The stories they tell are obviously cleared in advance, the jokes are scripted. We like our humour on the screen, Americans like it coming out of the screen directed at them. Brits appreciate the wit and intelligence of comedy - the most popular us comedy shows Cheers Fraser Seinfeld etc - and usually downtrodden characters.
I've had the misfortune to see a US WILTY episode - or rather half of one, because it was so toe-curlingly awful IMHO, that I couldn't bear to watch it all. Richard nailed it: the Americans are obsessed with scoring points and who is winning - which entirely misses the point. There was one episode of HIGNY where scores mattered for the comedy: the week when Paul and the tub of lard won.
AfterMidnight and Whose Line Is It Anyway are the exceptions to the usual counter arguments of why "Americans can't do English humour"
These celebs aren’t as rich as I thought
I do seem to remember seeing an American version of WILTY on the internet, it was missing the quick witted humour. It was very flat.
with the americans and panel shows, I've lived abroad for many years and worked with lots of americans out here, and the thing about them is, they don't have banter, or rather, their banter skills are very very poor. A panel show works because its an extension of the kind of normal everyday humour that most british people do with their friends and colleagues, its more ingrained in our culture. Americans though just don't seem to be good at it
Question: How much of their own material do stand ups write. Obviously US late night shows are all scripted, in the UK for example, how much of 8 out of 10 cats does Jimmy Carr write? And how much of his own stand up material that he performs on tour does he write
Most panel shows have a team of writers coming up with links, monologues and skits. If you look at the credits of many of them you will see the credit "Programme Associates" and a list of names - these are the writers. The reason for the slightly odd credit is because it was realised in the very early days of panel shows on TV (Have I Got News and Whose Line in particular) that having "written by" in the credits confused the audience - it suggested that all the banter and improv was scripted. So "Programme Associates" is a much less controversial credit. The only show of this type that doesn't use a team of writers (I think I'm right in saying) is Taskmaster, which is solely written by Alex Horne.
In answer to your question, Jimmy Carr is listed as a Programme Associate for Cats and Cats Does Countdown, along with a number of others. That's not to say that everything he (or indeed anyone hosting a panel show) says is scripted - obviously there is a large amount of unscripted banter, too. In terms of his stand up, I can't find anything to suggest he employs additional writers. It's incredibly rare for a stand up to not solely write their own material, although there are and have been a few comedians who use(d) writing collaborators. (Jasper Carrott is a notable example of the latter, if you're old enough to remember him.)
As an American , loved veep probably the most successful political comedy in America because everyone could laugh at.
Political debate is different over here , doesn’t happen in good nature. Americans don’t watch political comedy to laugh at politics , we listen to people who we agree with politically agree with to make us feel smart and good about our selves
The new @Midnight program on CBS is a good reintroduction of panel shows to the US market. It's a bit like Mock The Week, if MTW had no regular panelists and no satire or topical subjects. They even had Nish Kumar on.
I do hope HIGNFYUS has a few UK comics on to set the correct tone. Maybe Zaltzman. Or even Oliver.
Think it's actually called "After Midnight" now (but yep, it's basically "@midnight" from a few years back remade with a new host - on the website it says "inspired by...").
Wait, KOSTNER IS SINGLE AGAIN? 😃
I would like to commend Marina and Richard for not mentionning Taylor Swift for an entire episode...when I saw the title of this week`s episode I have to admit I was fearing the worst, but I gotta give credit where credit`s due...😉
Because mentioning one of the most successful women in history would be awful.
@@sp7011 don`t be a drama queen and lighten up will you. Jeez.
Ah Richard I really love your "Thursday Murder Club" books, I have all of them - but why spoil it putting them on film or tv with such miscasting? The characters are all brilliant, but Pierce Brosnan and Celia Imrie? They are NOT the people I have in my head as Ron and Joyce. Love Helen Mirren but that's not how Elizabeth looks in my head. I won't be watching either the movie or tv show. So sad. My question: why spoil a good book?
I think you should broaden your mind quite a bit. Firstly, the mental image you have of the characters aren't necessary what everone else have, and having an adaption will both bring in new people who haven't read the books and give a new version avid readers can see and enjoy (or hate if you'd like). That goes for every show or film getting adapted from a book, play or other media.
The books aren't getting "spoiled" by there existing a film adaption, just as the childrens book The Hobbit wasn't ruined just because they made a completely unnecessary film trilogy (which to be fair earn the people involved money, and surely had fans that liked even those films).
Again, what you see as miscasting and spoiling a good book just doesn't necessary mean the rest of the world think the same, in fact there are sure to be plenty of people that love to see Brosnan, Kingsley, Mirren and Imrie take on these roles.
agreed....I think Fiona Shaw would be a better fit for Elizabeth (it`s basically her part in Killing Eve). Joyce needs to be a little old lady with a twinkle, and as much as I love Celia Imrie, an Anne Reid type actress would be closer to the image I have in my head. Ron needs someone street wise, brutish but loveable, maybe Gambon/Winston type. Ben kingsley is not a bad choice for Ibrahim...I had another actor in mind but for the life of me I can not bring his name up.That`s just my 2 pence...
@@dibdab101 I totally agree about Joyce, she's a little old lady, and like you, I also love Celia Imrie, but she's not Joyce. They should put a more unknown actress in that role, Celia Imrie is in an awful lot. Ditto with Helen Mirren, I love them both, but they are over-used. I just hope they don't let Pierce Brosnan sing lol. He's bad enough 😂
@@axels9179 everyone has their own opinion, and in mine Helen Mirren, Celia Imrie and Pierce Brosnan are overused. They should be using more unknown actors for these roles. I like them all, but they are NOT, in my opinion, those characters. Just big names used for attention. Not right for these roles.
@@escellesmith1665 Again, your opinion doesn't make it right or wrong, it's just an opinion. I'm sure among the millions that have read these books there are plenty who are giddy for the film adaptation and are excited by the cast, and as Osman also have mentioned, several of these are the names that get shouted at him by fans in the street and on conventions - why try do discredit those fans by labeling it as gross miscasting and spoiling the books?
To be honest I do not feel US comics do comedy for comedy stake. The UK comics will go for any form of comedy that is funny. No matter if that is stand up or panel. Yes, they want to further their career, but being funny in the environment is the most important thing.
I always think American comedy is “look at me”, I am soo funny, whoop sort of delivery. It doesn’t come across as organic.
You're way off, I have no idea what you've been watching. Comedians do comedy for comedys sake. The problem is the producers.
SHOP LIKE A BILLIONAIRE!
Not in the middle of a sentence please!
Regarding HIGNFY American satire lacks subtlety
It’s all F this or F that (which it love btw!)
But American humour just lacks the subtlety that the English panel shows have…
think of it in terms of the difference between UK and US chocolate....
Every week on this show they gush over how awesome modern tv is, and full of talented people and hilarious shows. Why then does virtually everyone in the real world say it's shit all the time and most of the formats terrible also?
Millions upon millions still watch these things we think are terrible, I guess, and this show takes their point of view.
That's the thing though. Many TV shows nowadays get terrible viewing figures, and the tired tropes come out: there's so many channels, nobody watches TV anymore, it's all viewed on mobiles etc.thia is usually an excuse because it's shit and that's the reason it's not watched. If Richard osman wasn't quite so gushing over people who will most likely be revealed to be nonces in fifteen years, I wouldn't mind so much@@costeris35
I think you should check were you get your input from. Where do you go to know what "virtually everyone" thinks about TV and formats? The most accurate measure most people use is viewing figures and the amount of content and buzz that is created in the wake of a TV program/film. These numbers are going down as viewership is spread across a lot more platforms, and people prefering streaming to cinema. But that doesn't mean people aren'tconsume entertainment and instead are outdoors doing some other activities.
Nobody owes Francis Ford Gropela anything
The US version of ghosts is far better IMO, the British one watches like an amateur pantomime whenever there's a ghost on screen.
Yanks ruined "Taskmaster"!!!!
American comedians are just awful. And agreed on them being selfish comedy-wise.
As an American who loves HIGNFY I can’t imagine an American version working. I forced myself to sit through a couple episodes of the US version of Ghost. It was beyond dismal
Just commenting for the algorithm
You are a good person 😉