"Michael Jordan Does EVERYTHING Better Than LeBron"
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Ticket: Do you know who Michael Jeffrey Jordan is!!!!!
McDonald's employee: Yes I do sir but the ice cream machine is still down
Lmaoo😂😂😂
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Saying his full government name everytime is next level glazing
facts
"That's the reason they named the MVP after him" y'all should've been stopped listening to him lmao
The only thing i dont like about ticket is that he says " hold up let me talk" then someone else will talk and he'll cut off immediately, that's what pisses about him
It's annoying
The dude is so emotional.
@@Ghost-rb6cwu mean passionate ?
@@poody_Smoove994same shit different word
@@cryingjonny3876 no it’s not actually
Ticket got that HOF MEAT RIDER on full display today 😅🤣🤣🤣
Facts lol
So the chill, Marz, and Lowe meat ride lebron. Yall hate to hear MJ the GOAT
@@al9hcb3 don’t agreee they criticize him when it’s needed ticket thinks Jordan wins in these crazy situation it’s pure delusion
@@Choppp_3 curry Durant and Klay would use mj as a mop gang im tryna tell these niccaz🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
He riding the best tho.....Not the other guy. You homophobic?
I don’t argue with MJ Stan’s anymore because to them MJ can do anything and could never lose to anyone. His fanbase takes the fun out of basketball. U got guys like ticket who will ride for Jordan so hard and get mad at u if u have a different opinion than them. U got reasonable Jordan fans and then u got guys like ticket who represent 85 percent of Jordan’s fanbase.
Exactly. They are terrible!
You all are childish as hell. Just because we don't agree with your opinion doesn't mean that you have to start talking stupid. Lebron's fanbase is young, shortsighted, and just as hypocritical as anyone else described. Learn to articulate, not be a damn crybaby.
It’s the same thing with any Stan of a player
You easily can say the same, if not more, about LBJ.
Kobe too.
Etc etc.
Don’t validate the extremist.
By measurable FACT… MJ is the best
MJ is the GOAT. There's no debate. Just on a higher level of greatness than lebron, globally.
I would think Jordan would have 13 rings the way people be at about him. It’s crazy how they only count his finals and none of the times he lost before then.
Facts nobody talk about all them years he played without scottie and got swept or didn’t make the playoffs
No one ever said mj didn’t lose… we know he had to grow but wen he won nobody took him off the map
The difference is there are playoff series LeBron should have won but he didn't such as 09 against Orlando and 11 against the Mavs of course. Jordan (outside of 95 which I kind of excuse MJ for is the only example) won every series he should have won
@@thomasscott1568 The reason Lebron is a little harder to judge by that metric. A lot of the teams Lebron were a part of were only good because he was playing on them. Those early Cavs teams during his first time in Cleveland weren’t that good. You take him off the team they wouldn’t even make the playoffs. I believe LeBron was the only player better than his matchup in that Orlando series. I truly believe the Magic were a better and more talented team player for player.
@Dat Jit Dj He was still at an All time great level individually.
Ticket rides jordan so hard that he almost bust into tears. That's a new level of riding.
kids don't know cause kids weren't around....go back and watch tape.....see with YOUR OWN 2 EYES!
Its crazy
@@stephen9220 surprised u can get the words out with how far mikes meat is down your throat
@@stephen9220 lol I've seen him. The fact of the matter is ticket is spewing nonsense. Which is why even the old guy didn't didn't fully agree with him
@@stephen9220 ur right, theyre a bunch of kids that are worshipping mediocrity. This is the only era of basketball fans that would prefer their favorite player going 50% from the field in a LOSS as opposed to going 40% from the field in a WIN.
Keep speaking truth.
I mean Jordan did average 31-7-11 on 56% shooting on top of 3 steals and a block in the '91 finals so saying he would be incapable of putting up Lebron types of numbers isn't entirely accurate
That's a small sample size tho
mj played in an area with many illegal defensive rules. that 37ppg is not happening in modern times.
@Robin 37 isn't happening in a faster paced and offensively orientation nba? There's currently 40 nba players averaging 20+ scoring is on the rise because of what the league allows the defense to be able to do, thus how our offensive sided for more appeal, league is now
@@RobinXlone 1. Kobe who is statically less efficient than Jordan had a 35.4 ppg season in 2005-06. Harden had a 36.1 ppg season in 2018-19 season. 6’0 165 lb Iverson had a 33 ppg season in 2005-06. To say that it’s IMPOSSIBLE to average 37 in todays game is purely emotional.
2. MJ played in an era without the defensive 3 second violation , with legal handchecking and without a semi circle for most of his career so using the rules changes argument about zone defenses doesn’t work. By the way, MJ shot 54% in college for 3 seasons against unrestricted zone defenses without a defensive 3 second . No rules changes ever affected him
3. The pace today is similar to the 80’s.
@@Steven_Martinez lol they're averaging 20 because they are elite at scoring and are more efficient at it to lol. There were seasons Jordan was taking over 24 to 25 shots a game, that's probably more then any other elite scorer in NBA history lol.
That fact that fluent said lebron and Jordan passing isn’t a big gap is cap
It isn't a big gap. Dude averaged just 2 assists more, and he's a facilitator.
@@remnant8898 it is not about how much rather more the way James does it and it is obvious better than Jordan’s passing abilities.
Jordan assists within the offense, LeBron’s assists were playmaking. Completely different
@@remnant8898 who is better setting teammates up to score the ball, Jordan or lebron?
@@amartanusaj8155 lol they would have to actually watch and know ball to peep
Ticket: “Says Something Stupid”
Immediately Gets Debunked
Ticket: “HOLD ON HOLD ON”
The Bulls went 5-6 during MJs Triple Double run.
They went 5-6 but Jordan averaged a triple double for an entire month and that was his 6th season including 7 consecutive games. It took LeBron 16 seasons to have a month where he averaged a triple double.
For the same reason Russell Westbrook averaged a triple double and didn't even make the playoffs and for the same reason LeBron James lost in the finals all of those times and Oscar Robertson only has 1 ring despite averaging a triple double over a 5 year span and playing with a young Lou Alcindor... basketball is a team sport and one person dominating the ball all game long doesn't translate to wins. That's why they moved MJ back to his natural position and the team started winning. but the other 3 while filling the Stat sheets every night chasing records and individual accolades can hardly be considered dominant or consistent winners. Without overwhelming talent around him, LeBron would have 1 maybe 2 rings tops and this MJ vs LeBron shit wouldn't even be a conversation
@@montyholmon8885 I Agree 💯%
@@willsalter8113 MJ 1-9 without Scottie Pippen. Was choking in the first round until he got a superteam stop. Did you see lebron 2016 finals dummy.
@@montyholmon8885 MJ 1-9 without Scottie Pippen. Was choking in the first round until he got a superteam stop. Did you see lebron 2016 finals dummy.
Jordan wasn't making it with that team every time lebron took a sip of water the other team went up by 10
Because he cant lead like Jordan
@@martelljhixson no because Jordan's team was better than lebron's
Because the team was constructed with nothing but 3 and D role players. Which is all you need in that trash East. Luka, Harden, Jokic, anybody who can score and create for others could have done that, including MJ. Yall act like Lebron wasn't just spamming PnR and DnK lol, that shi ain't complicated.
@@Youngster543210 3 and d but couldn't stop a soul ? When LeBron was off the court that team was horrible and that was multiple times in cleveland
@marrmarbinks They didn't have to stop a soul. The opponents were self checked due to being trash.
They were horrible because they were constructed around a ball dominant player. Playing 5 out with 4 three point shooters and spamming PnR and DnK doesn't work. Didn't work for Lebron, didn't work for Harden, didn't work for Luka, nobody. It's a fancy way to win 50 games before losing the 2nd you face an actual contender in the playoffs, that's it. Players that only excel in that role don't have much value because teams constructed that way can't win titles. Real value is in a player's abilty to fit alongside other ball dominant players and cooperate within a team framework. Lebron is great in a ball domaint role, not so much in a team context. That's why he's consistently underachieved.
every time ticket talks, mars and low put their heads down 😂😂
This man avg 30 for his career on mid range jumpers and atleast 7-8 guys on the floor were inside the arc!
Then you realize zone defense was illegal to a certain degree. He was playing one on one in the midrange and the pace was faster
@@RolininBucks 1) Jordan still played against zone defenses the refs didn't always call it 2) Zone Defense was legalized to help improve offenses not stop it 3) Jordan had the athleticism, skill, and IQ to beat zone defenses
@@zogood3495 Zone defenses was NOT created to assist offense, and Jordan never played against an ACTUAL zone defense until he got on the hornets.
@@zogood3495 refs don’t always call hand checking today yet y’all say the league soft
@@notoriousdivine5349 yes it was it was implemented to increase more ball movement in the early 2000s.
8:03 😂 “You starting to get me mad for real”
He’s really about to cry there
Ticket sobbing on the 🎤 .....lol
I get mike is the goat I do but we need to stop acting like the man is god he ain’t he’s gotten his ass kicked before we not just gonna act like that team bron took to the finals with George hill and them bums that Jordan can take them and win u can say he’s the goat without getting on ur knees and just lying cuz if that’s the case the man would be more then 6 and 0. Great teams beats a single great player always
It’s so frustrating
Thank you🎯💯
Non of those guys were bums before they were forced to change their game to appease lerbon. But y’all just will continuously gloss over lebrons inability to adapt his game.
Are you really questioning a guy that went to 6 finals and never lost 😂. There is no doubt in my mind that MJ could of gotten that team to the finals in 2018 lets be real that was a weak east that year. I mean LeBron faced the raptors , the pacers led by Victor Olidipo and a young Celtics team lets be serious lol now is he winning no that Warriors team was to much
@@juliopoueriet2031 lol these Bron groupies delusional and swear it's everybody else just hating.
“He ain Mike bruh” THATS THE EXACT POINT HE WAS TRYNA MAKE GOOFTROOP
"DO YOU KNOW MICHAEL JEFFREY JORDAN" like bro what doe that have to do w the argument
Jordan fans like this make me sick man lol you can have Jordan as the GOAT and thats fine. But to say he did EVERYTHING better than Lebron just isnt true. Lebron is a better passer, rebounder, finisher in the paint and more versitle on defense. Jordan is a better scorer, mid range, free throws, handles, defender on the perimeter. And he won more so you can have him as your number 1, but he isnt the best at every single aspect of the game lol
That’s what I’m saying. MJ fans are very insecure and they are myth merchants!
If Jordan could win with any team why tf he ain't 15-0 cause ticket talk like he could win with any team
Ticket delusional
Is that really a question when did LeBron win with a mediocre team lol, LeBron created super teams and is still 4-6 in the finals
6 for 15 is still way better than 4 for 20
@@brandoncronan348 a lot of greats don’t even get 1
@@juliopoueriet2031 never but he bought a mediocre team to the finals twice and out of all 10 times you can only say he was on the better team 3 times . MJ was always on the better team , all 6 times
You can tell tickets dad went out for milk around the time Jordan was playing
That’s nasty lmao
Ticket is the comedic relief 😂
It's always funny to hear grown men refer to MJ like a kid talking about Santa Claus. And by funny, I mean pathetic
🤣I need to get in on this podcast🤣. This 💩 is hilarious. THERE IS NO COMPARISON BETWEEN MJ AND LBJ. MIKE WAS DIFFERENT.
AS FAR AS A PURE SCORER AND KILLER WILL AND CLUTCH YES BUT FAR AS A ALL AROUND PLAYER BRON TAKES IT !!!
@The Truth he's still 2nd tier. It took Bron 20 years to get to where he is. Jordan is a different animal. In a weaker league piling up stats is easy for LBJ.
Jordan would’ve done nothing with that 2018 cavs team cause I’m order to make that team somewhat do decent you need to have godlike playmaking abilities like Lebron had and Jordan DID NOT have that. So he getting cooked before he even gets to finals. Mf might even lose against the raptors LMAO
The "only" reason Lebron is even in the conversation with Jordan is because he literally put himself in it. 🤷🏾♂️We the people didn't particularly before 2016 when their was no such discussion of a G.O.A.T. debate because everyone already knew who it was. (Michael Jordan)🤷🏾♂️
MJ is my goat, but he can't pass like Bron, isn't as versatile a defender as Bron, isn't a better three point shooter as Bron like come on now. Jordan is the greatest to me but come on LeBron is better than him in many aspects of the game. By the way we gotta stop these hypothetical situations like 'Could MJ take the Bron's Cavs to the Finals' like come on there's no way of knowing if he could or couldn't and so any argument based on this question is purely baseless and pointless.
🌝Here’s Michael Jordan’s playoff stats during his first trip to the Finals:
31.1 ppg, 6.4 rebounds. 8.4 assists, 2.4 steals and 1.4 blocks on 52% FG, 38% 3pt and 84% FT.
Mj more rings, scoring titles, defensive players of the year, mvps and final mvps and lebron is almost 40 and still seeking these awards
@@kjm85 the accolades are true, but the argument was him being better at everything than LeBron which he clearly isn't, Jordan wasn't versatile or big enough to consistently play pf and center, and be comfortably switched onto a big. LeBron was Jokics primary defender just this past week and he clamped him at times he was on him
And he is clearly not a better passer
@@makesmartTROYces i mean what you are saying is obvious and also the fact that Jordan is not better at all things with alot of players as well especially if their is a height difference.
Exactly their two different players and there’s so many narratives and hypotheticals people come up with to basically have us fans tear down Bron or MJ’s legacy.
Let's remember what the roster was at the beginning. Dwyane Wade was on that team. Let's not forget that Kevin Love had to alter his game because he played with lebron. That's not a problem with Jordan. So he would still be able to crash the boards just as much as he did prior to playing with LeBron james. That ads rebounds and put backs on the offensive end. You can essentially play Dwyane Wade at the point position and play Jordan at the two. Isaiah Thomas's role changes because now he's coming off the bench so all he has to do is provide quality minutes off the bench coming off that injury much like a John Paxton or Steve Kerr. Now let's remember who they played that year.. the baby Celtics minus Kyrie Irving. The Toronto raptors who were used to choking. And the Indiana pacers.. now let's be clear, if Kyrie doesn't get hurt, LeBron James doesn't get past the Celtics that year. Which one of started a whole new conversation about LeBron James his legacy had he lost to Kyrie Irving.
The Celtics that year were better without Kyrie
@aaronrogers2905 no they were not. Kyrie was their #1 option.
You mean old beat up dwade that wasn’t even on the team anymore by the time they got to the playoffs?
1984 season mike averages 37 5 & 5. Bro it’s not even a debate
Lebron has a higher percentage from 2 and 3 than jordan. Jordan just shot the ball alot idk why ya lien to prop up jordan.
@@coreythomas3633 Jokic has a higher % from 2pt%, 3pt% and ft% than Lebron
@@HomoErectus311jokic doesn’t have as high a volume as Lebron or Jordan and Jordan doesn’t put up the assists and rebounds Lebron and jokic put up
@@HomoErectus311one clear answer
Ticket be acting like Jordan got some itachi genjutsu😭 why didn't be just mentally destroy the bad boys if it was that easy
Everyone gives Jordan too much credit for TEAM accomplishments. TEAMS win championships and Jordan never won with a trash team.
When we think of the greatest TEAMS ever we NEVER think of a team LeBron was on but we do with Jordan.
Jordan never won shit. Jordan's teams won. The year before Jordan retired the first time the Bulls won 55 games. The next year when he didn't play a single game they won 53 games.
When LeBron leaves a team they go from 50+ wins and deep in the playoffs/finals to one of the worst team in the league.
Except the Lakers went from 35-47 without Lebron to 37-45 with Lebron if you wanna use that logic lol.
@user-gi8rr4se9t You're comparing Jordan leaving a team that just won a championship to LeBron joining a completely new trash team in a rebuild year? Wow that's sad.
And you're comparing a Prime 30 year old Jordan to a 37 year old LeBron?
Why not compare prime vs prime?
@@whatisantilogic138LITERALLY no one ever has ever won with a trash team lol
@galileogalilei6450 So why do we give Jordan 100% of the credit for winning 6 championships. Everyone acts like he did it alone. Jordan's teams were never underdogs in the finals. They were always the favorite, but we act like he had to overcome so much to win.
@@whatisantilogic138He was the best player in all of those finals
That 2018 roster got flipped because every team Lebron is on they only play in the "Lebron System" Jordan didn't need to dominate the ball in order to dominate the game. Let's also not have revision history because when the Cavs picked up D-Rose, Wade, IT, Crowder and others the media was hyping them up. Isaiah Thomas even called out the team for not practicing and when Crowder got traded he said it was nice to play in a real System again. Jordan being a better scorer, shooter, defender, an underrated passer/playmaker you can't convince me a prime Jordan isn't getting those 18 Cavs to the Finals.
I disagree with that, has jordan ever been to the finals without scottie pippen? No right? Before jordan got his second star he wasn’t touching the finals, the thing about jordan is that ur right he can do a lot of great things but the one thing he wasn’t doing is elevating his team to get them to the finals ON HIS OWN. No disrespect to MJ but lebron has shown time and time again he can take any team to the finals and that’s not a small accomplishment
@@buddah4929 The reason Jordan never got to the Finals is because he was playing greater teams than what Lebron faced. For example in 07 Lebron played two 41-41 teams in the 1st round and 2nd round that's a luxury Jordan never had even when his teams were the higher seed. It's easy to get further into the playoffs and reach the Finals when the competition is weak. The 2018 Playoffs he wasn't playing against any great team's. The best team he faced were led by a bunch of young player's you really think a prime Jordan not getting past the 18 Celtics? You would have to be delusional. Also Jordan was able to get to the ECF with a young/developing Scottie Pippen twice. Jordan still took the Pistons to a 6 game series & a 7 game series in those ECF.
@@zogood3495 those are good excuses but mj still 1-9 in the playoffs without pippen
@@OMAR-vk9pi Jordan got to the 2nd round with Pippen averaging 10ppg in the playoffs but okay keep believing that
@@buddah4929 The Lakers were 37-45 before AD got there…. Come back to reality lol.
Why does no one bring up the fact that Jordan & Kobe played in the triangle which didn’t allow them or anyone else to average 7 or more assist which was only done by Scottie Pippen once.
I don’t think ticket ride Jordan, I think most people just refuse to acknowledge that Jordan was that great of a player in his own era, and that in this Era everything about MJ would be inflated.
It’s a tough pill to swallow. It’s something we can never see happen. All we can do is go off the facts that Jordan got:
6 finals MVP’s, DPOY, 9All nbA defensive 1st teams, 10 all nbA fist team, 2 three peats, 10 consecutive scoring titles (take away retirement years), 3x steal leader, 5x mvp.
And the man did all this even after retiring because his father was murdered.
And then he retired again because he got 3 more consecutive champions/finals MVP’s with a whole new roster aside from Pippen.
And then just came back for the hell of it wit his old ass and was still ballin 😂.
Jordan was different. He was “Quintessential” to the Bulls success. He was one of a kind.
Other players can be great… 100%. But Jordan will be the greatest until he’s truly outdone. Again, the man has the accolades he has and took 2 retirements.
No one else can do that 😂 or will ever be able to do that 😂
True but ticket fuck all that up talking about who beat better talent. Let alone he try put Jordan in LeBron shoes for this era of play not good. Jordan had no one to match his play of skill. LeBron different so I would always say Jordan the goat but as far as best player LeBron when I gotta start putting talent face an beat. Jordan never beat prime Celtics,Lakers or piston
@@huhmf4815 I’ll never understand the argument of “Jordan didn’t beat Prime Lakers, Celtics, and Pistons”.
Every player has to experience growth. People act like Jordan wasn’t supposed to do that. He had his growing pains WITH his team and through it. Bird and Magic were already in their 5th year when Jordan came.
Jordan had no help when he was drafted to the Bulls. No matter what narrative anyone tries to paint that he did. He was the best rebounder, scorer, defender, free throw shooter, and passer on his team. He was solo man. But if there was chance to get an early championship, this was it…. AS A ROOKIE 😂 (come on now who really does that)
Next year, the injury. But even after 18 games it was looking the same from the previous season. No help, just MJ doing everything. He gets healthy enough for the playoffs, but the man only played 18 games in the season lol 😂. It’s his seconds season. And again NO HELP! It was the same squad from the season before. So how can you expect him to be fresh off injury entering in the playoffs, average 40+ points, with literally no help when he’s the team leader in every category…. Please explain that.
Year 3, the Return. And arguably Jordan’s best year… but guess what… he’s still the best on his team at doing EVERYTHING except now, he’s got Charles Oakley. And Oakley can rebound and almost give you 15. Paxxson barely gives you 10, and that’s it. No other real production from anywhere. So Jordan still going thru it.
Year 4: now this is where it got interesting. Jordan still being him, but he starts getting more help than he had, which still didn’t equate to a lot… seriously lol 😂. Pippen rookie season. Paxxson understanding his shot a little better. Oakley still on the boards. And Doug Collins in full control with the Coaching. Now the team can actually build up from a foundation. Because clearly, as Jordan alone showed, ONE PLAYER CANT DO IT ALL AND EVERYTHING.
Year 5: Jordan is still being Jordan. But he needs help. And it’s growing man. Pippen starts establishing himself. He’s putting up some points, defending, but most of all impacting. And now Horace Grant. Remind you, him and Pippen are in their 2nd years. But again, you see the impact, and finally Jordan has some help. Some real help. Oh and don’t forget Cartwright this year.
Year 6: At this point everything has been fine tuned, now it’s just matter of time. Pippen building up experience, learning his role. Paxxson understanding his role as far as spotting up in the corner. Horace just like Pippen understanding his role. And Phil Jackson comes in the fold. And finally Jordan doesn't need to do EVERYTHING…. Still does 😂. Because Jordan is the “Quintessential” piece to everything that happens next year. Which is the start of the 3 peat.
My point: No, Jordan completely by himself with no help that could compete or defenders on his team could beat a prime Lakers, Celtics, Pistons.
It’s idiotic to expect that that he could of or should of with the team he had. Jordan was LITERALLY the team. And that’s not to be taken lightly. He was doing EVERYTHING. Leading his team in those early Bulls years…. AND STILL finding his way to the playoffs.
Despite all that, the biggest takeaway that should be on everyone’s radar and what makes Jordan the Goat is that once his team was right, through all the time he put in, and the foundation getting built… Jordan PRODUCED thru ALL OF IT!
and then Defended his PRODUCTION with his team, that was built from the ground up, for 3 consecutive championships!.
Then his dad is MURDERED! So he retires, comes BACK. (because ultimately Pippen asked him and wanted him to come back, but that’s my opinion 😂). And then DOES IT AGAIN WITH AN ENTIRELY NEW ROSTER (aside from Pippen of course).
Jordan has the greatest Legacy because of this. And now a days everyone is trying so hard to tarnish it by saying Lebron is better or that era wasn’t this, and a whole bunch of shit.
The truth is, a lot of yal didn’t see him play, didn’t understand his journey, didn’t research all the facts that are outside the stat sheet and don’t consider how difficult his road was, and don’t respect him. A lot of Yal would rather just be Jordan haters because you love Lebron so much and that’s weird to me. Always will be.
There’s a reason the MVP award is getting named after Jordan.
@@huhmf4815 and with all that being said, you telling me that Michael Jordan with the teammates/help of:
Dewayne Wade
Kevin Love
Isaiah Thomas
Kyle Korver
Derrick Rose
Larry Nance Jr
Tristan Thompson
Jordan Clarkson
Rodney Hood
Jeff Green
J.R. Smith
Wouldn’t equal a championship…. You shittin me 😂😂😂 You are Shitting me 😂😂😂 Jordan got the job done with WAYYYYY LESSSSS!
And the biggest Difference is Free Throw shooting. Jordan would of been averaging 40 and shooting 85% or better from the Line. Would of whipped them boys into a competitive mindset and got em in shape in the locker room 😂.
I’m serious. I have no reason to believe based on the evidence of his teams success in 6 finals and two completely different teams that Michael Jordan would not of won the 2018 finals. There’s no way you can convince me of that.
Maybe if Jordan lost a final, then maybe I’d see the argument. But because he hasn’t and we’ve seen how Jordan played in crunch time in the finals, there’s no way with a straight face I can say “Jordan wouldn’t of won”. And that’s Ticket’s point I believe.
But the team would of looked different. More Similar to a 09’, 10’ Lakers with Jordan at the Helm.
That’s my thought process at least.
@@StCropper Jordan is my goat but I can still say his talent was less match unlike LeBron. I would go as hard as you but it's no need to. Kobe is top 3 an he was elite in lebron's rookie year till about his last 4yrs. Jordan did lose in the post season to the elite so it's not like Jordan is clean. I take a whole career for both not just finals.
@@StCropper ok so your gonna play stupid like bird ain't whoop Jordan ass a few times in the first an second round. Like IT got 2 rings on Jordan. It's only 6 maybe 7 players with long seasons only 1 with longevity of pure talent. Pippen was Jordans help an I can bet money if LeBron had a pippen he wouldn't of need to leave. But let you tell it dame dollar is top 5 of all time because of loyalty right. No ring or conference finals. Pure fucking talent but career wise it's more failure then lebron's 4-10.
Why are MJ fans always yelling to prove their points???
Jordan was scoring a ton of points and not contributing to winning. If LeBon does that it is stat padding.
MJ has 10 scoring titles shooting a worst % than LBJ who only have 1.
Make that make sense
Exactly! They call it stat padding because LeBron is a better all around player. Anything that gives Bron a edge over MJ, they not having it.
@@levibondjr4650 mj is better at scoring, mid range, post, layups, ball handle offensive rebounder, better off ball, free throws, better and more consistent defender, on and off ball, and could argue better shot blocker, better leader, and more clutch. Lebron is better at passing, shooting thress and overall rebounding, that's it. There's only two sides of the court
In life, you can’t have always have a fair discussion with some people. Exhibit A.
Ticket has about 5 words in his vocabulary and 'hold on' are two of them. Be quiet every now and then and let the other boys talk. It genuinely gets impossible to listen at points. He does bring good debates (even though he loses most imo).
Ticket cap so hard for mj he was eliminated in the first round every year in the 80's
@Stone Colds Hey with Tickets logic you can do everything with no help and become superman if you’re considered the goat
Y’all don’t like to bring up when Lebron wasn’t even making the playoffs. And MJ was eliminated by title contenders.
@Stone Colds I started crying when he said mike might be watching
Lebron went to the finals in his seventh year in the league at 25 years old. Put the team on his back...lol. 😂😂😂😂.
You realize this is just statistically false right ?
at the end of the day a great as Jordan is he isnt getting 6 rings in todays NBA. Thats not to say he wont get any Chips but he aint getting 6 he would of had to see The BIg 3 Heat, Timmy D and the Spurs, OkC with Durant Harden Westbrook, its even arguable whether he would of beat the Khawi Raptors Squad, and he DAMN sure wasnt winning a series against the Steph Clay Durant Draymond Warriors, or against GREEK in a series?? This era had better Teams yeah i said it!
Thank u the competition nowadays is way better then back in the day like players now will completely wash the players back in the day. Nobody seems to bring that up. Nobody seems to bring up that Jordan played against literal garbage teams. I don’t care what nobody’s talking about bro
GOAT TOP 20:
1. MJ
2. Russell
3. Kareem
4. Magic
5. LBJ
6. Wilt
7. Kobe
8. Duncan
9. Shaq
10. Bird
11. Curry
12. Hakeem
13. Oscar Robertson
14. Dr. J
15. Moses Malone
16. Isaiah Thomas
17. DWade
18. Giannis
19. Dirk
20. Jerry West
Ticket is a entertainer I’ll say that 😂
LeBron James is a better playmaker, rebounder, defender at his peak, longer career and rim protector than MJ who is a better scorer, shooter, perimeter defense, sneaky defender and better peak. Each to their own credit.
Jordan 1 defensive player of year better defensive player then LeBron 0
Hold this L Bronsexual
Jordan 9 all defensive first teams better defensive player then LeBron 5
Lol
@@donggene9156 LeBron has 14x 1st teams to MJ’s 10
Lol
@@SkodenMOC
LeBron 20 seasons and Jordan 15 seasons ha ha hold this L Bronsexual 🤣🤣🤣
@@SkodenMOC
Jordan 9 all defensive teams in 15 seaosns more then LeBron 5 all defensive teams 20 seasons 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Lebron James is a better all around player than MJ and that's a fact, Prime Lebron James can score, defend, rebound, facilitate the offense like c'mon now he's the whole package 👑
Jordan accomplished more than Lebron less time
Jordan scores better and plays defense better
Greatest NBA players all time
1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Bill Russell
4. Magic Johnson
Seasons played
LeBron 20
Jordan 15
Goat 🐐 Jordan > LeBron James
Rings
Jordan 6✔️
LeBron 4
Finals Mvps
Jordan 6✔️ (most all time)
LeBron 4
League Mvps
Jordan 5✔️
LeBron 4
Total Mvps (league and finals)
Jordan 11✔️ (most all time)
LeBron 8
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Scoring titles
Jordan 10✔️ (most all time)
LeBron 1
Steals titles
Jordan 3✔️ (88, 90, 93)
LeBron 0
All Defensive first team selections
Jordan 9✔️ (most all time tied)
LeBron 5
Defensive player of year
Jordan 1✔️ (1988)
LeBron 0
Points per game
Jordan 30.12✔️ (1st all time)
LeBron 27.10
Player efficiency rating
Jordan 1st all time ✔️
LeBron 3rd all time
3point% (NBA finals)
Jordan 36.8%✔️
LeBron 35.2%
40 time speed
Jordan 4.38✔️
LeBron 4.60
Jordan better scorer, mid range shooter, free throw shooter, better at steals, better footwork, better defensive player then LeBron
Jordan 6-0 and 6 finals mvps only 1 all star teammate Scottie Pippen compared to LeBron 4-6 and 6 finals losses more stars Dwayne Wade, Chris Bosh, Kyrie Irving, Kevin Love, Anthony Davis, Russell Westbrook
2011 NBA finals
Mavericks 4 Heat 2
LeBron 17 ppg
outplayed by
J Terry 18 ppg
2011 NBA finals
Wade 26 ppg
Bosh 18 ppg
You wrong all stats show is LeBron played longer not whos better player so hold this L Bronsexual
You wrong LeBron isnt better all around player lol
Jordan 31.5 ppg, 50.5% fg, 6 rings, 6 finals mvps, 5 league mvps, 11 total mvps, 10 scoring titles, 9 all defensive teams, 3x steals titles, 1 defensive player of year in 13 seasons with Chicago Bulls
Lebron outside of 3 feet at the rim is a mediocre offensive scorer. Lebron can barely hit free throws, mediocre midrange, sloppy foot work constantly travelling lmao he’s not on Jordan’s level goofy
@@aaronrooks2703 I said nun about accomplishments, I said as a player Lebron James is better all around and u know that u just don't wanna admit lmao
Kevin Love averaged 19 and 11 in the 2018 finals but Lebron had no help 😂😂😂😂
Jordan is the better offensive player
The better defensive player.
Better Winner!
Better leader!
More reliable in big moments, clearly!!
Lebron can finish with the left hand better too y’all act like Jordan was Santa Claus or something 😂
Ong 😂
@@bptjoe4654 😂😂😂🤣
In 20 years that man has 4 rings and not 1 repeat. Foh
@@al9hcb3 he do got a repeat with the heat foh
No he can’t.
Jordan was way better with his left than LeBron.
I just wanna see these man hoop... Even just open gym/runs... Because some of these topics are hot boy🏀🔥
There's a difference between debating and arguing. Ticket can't debate, he just yells out emotional arguments.
Why don’t we ever look at the 90s defense? 😂 I seen mj hit 6 threes and score 39 points (WIDE OPEN) all game. Or the fact dom Wilkins dropped 50 on the bulls with no left hand or jumpshot. Like cmon man
Because people don't want to let go of the fallacy of the defense in the 90s. They had hard fouls, other than that, mid.
Ticket is just a mj stan 😂😂 that’s how most of the mj Stan’s are
Factz like jordan couldn't do any wrong yet he's trash asz couldn't even get out of the 1st round without a hall of famer
He’s a nostalgic old head. The irony is that you can make statistical or eye test argument in favor of MJ, but Ticket hates stats.
@@Thanosdidtherighthing because bron would win most of the stats against mj
@@showtimej2582 Lebron wins in 3pt%, fg%, rebounds per game and assists per game. MJ wins in ft%, ppg, turnovers per game, steals and blocks. Lebron is #1 all time in VORP
Followed by MJ. MJ is #1 all time in PER followed by Lebron. You were saying ?
@@Thanosdidtherighthing what about them all time stats buddy what about the sustain greatness righty buddy
U want prove MJ stans are living in a fantasy/nostalgic state. They take a 15 game sample of MJ NOT avg a Triple double even tho he was trying to get triples doubles during that time and asking the scorers table how many more rebs or assist he needed to get a Triple double , to a guy who has a 20 year sample of doing something. 🤣 You literally can't make this shit up.
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Last 40 games of the 88-89 season
For MJ: 32.5 ppg , 8 rebounds, 8 assists, 2.9 steals, 53.8% FG, 27.6% 3pt and 85% FT . He was literally Russell Westbrook with better efficiency, better defense and a better jump shot.
@@Martin-tr4sj that’s still not a triple double smh
Nobody makes up shit like LeBron witnesses. People that know basketball before 2003 don't need to make up anything. The dude lost 6 of 10 finals. He went and teamed up with other all-stars to win. And he's one of the biggest floppers the game has ever seen. All of those things and others will always prevent him from being the goat over MJ.
@@True-Believer616 his team was only favored to win 3 times in the finals whe Jordan’s teams was alway favored the finals argumentis such an east simple debate to break down its so weak lol use a different argument
Did we all forget what happened game one at the end when JR spliff 💨 ran with the ball
Michael Jordan would have found some fairy dust and sprinkled it on KD to make him shrink to 5 foot 9. He would whispered sweet nothings in his ear to make him not want to play basketball anymore....lol
Mars is sick of ticket 💀😂
Old heads always talking about the game easier and morw open bruh In Mike time u couldn't double team u couldn't help or play zone. They literally would move everyone on the opposite side at the three point line and let mike go one on one...can you imagine if LeBron played in those rules like seriously bruh!!!! Put a big on him he gone pull up or zoom past him put a small on him he gone zoom past him and overpower em 💯💯💯
and get pushed to the floor and is not gone square up after thats the part you forget is that the m old cats didnt like being embarassed so they wouldve hurt that man just like they did mj
@@drodadreads bruh the "Jordan rule" literally was just rough Mike up bc he was soo small he was 6'6 190 got up to 210 when he put on muscle. LeBron came in listed at 250 and then the eye test they wasn't bullying Bron fam. In the physical era as ppl say Bron would be more scary than he is cuz he would have adapted and been a real bully like his critics want him to be 😤😤😤💯💯💯
@@reidos8992 the Jordan rule was also disguised zone. The refs only called it when they wanted to.
The illegal defense era, was way easier to get to the rim. I watched Anthony Davis last game catch the ball at the free throw line, he was guarded by his man and there was a defender at each elbow blocking driving lanes. People who say the game is more open have no idea what they are watching. The rules allow for way more help than in the 80s and 90s.
@@2robjenkins but they couldn't touch a.d without being a foul get outta here with fam
People just be forgetting that MJ averaged 32 8 8 in his 3rd season of the nba before Phil Jackson and the triangle offense... (actually 4th season)*
And lost in the first round
@@Johenz Jordan went to the conference finals in 1988-89 lol.
@@HomoErectus311 that’s not his first 3 season tho jordan got drafted in 84 made the conference finals in 89
@@Johenz I don’t think he’s counting the 1985-86 season where he was injured. He said the 32, 8 and 8 season
@@HomoErectus311 if you don’t count the year he was hurt still played 18 games that’d be mj 4th season but reality 5th season.
All the older era gotta say LeBron was better than Jordan Dr j who Jordan looked up to says lebron is better and Oscar Robinson said it also a lot of older players say LeBron only the guys that played with Jordan say Jordan and lebron era gotta pick Jordan cause they looked up to him that's coming from they own mouth
Jordan was the better player
Majority of the players say MJ is better. Even majority of the players that actually faced MJ including those that played against Lebron. Shaq faced both and was Lebron’s teammate.
@@2cents250 Jordan has that Ali or Bane Ruth stamp now...even when someone has a case people just don't even judge them equally. The weaknesses disappeared with time and only the strengths and legend remains. Lebron would have to have lapped him to make it close and he didn't. For me it's Jordan, but I admit we grade them unfairly
most the older guys put lebron over mj and put Wilt or Bill as the goat
@@RobinXlone Lebron’s own competition says that MJ is better than him lol.
The idea that Jordan does everything better then Lebron is genuinely ludicrous. It's one of those arguments that you just have to listen too out of sheer bafflement.
I agree, the only thing lebron is better at is rebounding, passing, and 3 pt% btw it's just by 1 %.
MJ never won a series without Scottie Pippen this is embarrassing. Someone needs to bring up to ticket that he never accomplished anything without Scottie
Scottie averaged 8 ppg when MJ won his first playoff series lol
bro ticket is hilarious 😭😭
He not tho u just lame
@@browardWorldwide im lame for finding someone funny? gtfo
@@karx3111 facts u think it’s funny cuz u lame af
@@browardWorldwide Man stfu 💀 niggas saying anything now Gomd
@@karx3111 lol u new nigga Pussy shut up
When people say the era was different that true but this ear is different players are far more skilled now compared to back the it’s called EVOLUTION!!!!
Lebron was drafted in 2003 at age 18 playing against the exact same players at the exact same position as MJ did at age 40 lol.
And they are less competitive. Play less games. None of these players have MJ’s mentality or talent.
European players say the NBA is easier to score in. Never heard players say this in the 90s. Guys going to the FT 20 times a game.
Jordan the GOAT no debate
MJ OVERRATED LEBRON GREATEST PLAYER. STEPH CURRY GREATEST SHOOTER. HAKEEM GREATEST DEFENDER,BILL RUSSEL AND ROBERT HORRY ARE THE GREATEST WINNER. Like c'mon now
it's a casual litmus test. If you say LeFraud you're a casual.
Ticket thinks by talking in kd's ear, he's somehow gonna mess up his physce so much to the point to where he dosnt produce anything om the court. No points, assist, rebounds nothing. He think mj gonna take kd's talent like in space jam
Jordan would definitely carry that 2018 team.
Lol what offense would have they run for Jordan?
@@Ghost-rb6cw The same offense MJ ran in 1987-88 except Mj didn’t have an all star on that team.
@@Ghost-rb6cw same offense they ran for Kobe or whatever they ran for Wade. You think a guy who led the league in scoring 10 times will have an issue with offense. This guy made Steve Kerr and paxson look like great shooters imagine him with a Kyle korver?
@@DaDon357 oh so now you guys are giving Jordan credit for other players abilities??? That sounds crazy man. And last time I check Kobe was playing in the same system as Jordan.
@@Ghost-rb6cw Do people actually think MJ was just a scorer before he won championships? Lol. From the 1985-1990 playoffs he was averaging 6.9 rebounds, 6.7 assists, 2.5 steals and 1.0 blocks. This is the definition of an all around player.
Lebron is a better passer than MJ. Also, when MJ didn't have a good team and he was the only all star, he only lost to all time great teams other than his rookie year. He only lost to Bird's Celtics and the Bad Boy Poisons. They made the Finals in ALL those years and won 3 rings in that span. So yes, I think MJ would've made the Finals with Lebron's 2018 squad. And they would've had at least won a game. MJ was winning games against the Bad Boys with no all stars. So with MJ having another all star like Love, he couldn't win a game or 2 against the Warriors?
Kyrie wasn’t on the 2018 squad and Love was clearly washed. It’s all just opinions cause there’s no literal way to show what you’re saying but I think it’d be worse if Jordan was out there, the bad boy pistons weren’t breathing the same Air as KD, Steph, Klay, and Dray, nevermind them getting boogie the next season.
@@yuhhtempo You're right about Irving. Thanks for correcting me. As for the Bad Boys, don't be so sure. They had 3 HOFs, two 75 players, one of them is one of the greatest defensive players all time, and another one of the greatest PGs of all time. Then, people say Klay is a good defender, but Joe Dumars was a 4x 1st Team all defense. They had a HOF coach, and the team designed a scheme to beat up MJ who had no help to take the pressure off him. And many people believe they were a phantom call away from beating the Showtime Lakers. Last time I checked, didn't that 2018 Warriors squad only have 2 top 75 players too?
@@yuhhtempo Kevin love made his 5th all star appearance in 2018 lol. Don’t be a bronsexual lol.
@@yuhhtempo Harden and cp3 took the warriors 7 games. Lebron and Kevin love got swept lol.
Lol the pistons was not the warriors kid, not even close. 🤣🤣🤣
I’m a HUGEEEEE MJ FAN REAL DIEHARD‼️‼️But lebron is better all around but it is also some things mj is better than lebron at honestly they’re both amazing legends and we should just respect and admire both of their careers and leave the goat debate alone
How is lebron better overall if MJ was a better scorer and defender he might have MJ on passing but that was because MJ didnt need to pass. Lebron really only has better longevity.
@@duvalwilliams1555 lebron can run an entire offense and play PG while on the flip-side can play 1-5 at a high level he’s extremely versatile as a SF and can score on a high level just like Jordan while grabbing rebounds and shooting at a very efficient level I love mj but you gotta give lebron his credit
@@duvalwilliams1555 I don’t rlly like to have these debates bc they’re both my goats and I love both of them I rlly wish we could’ve seen them play together it would’ve been jordan and pippen on steroids
@@BAMA-MAN256 He cant play the 5 at a high level youre bugging
@@BAMA-MAN256 if running an entire offense doesn't lead to you winning more than losing, then you ,might need to reevaluate your system.
Jordan Could Play All Roles But Jordan MADE Them Folks Play Their Roles 💯
Exactly 💯
Bro at this point just say Jordan never lost a game and got a chip every season lol. These 11 lovers will just keep making up stuff anyway lol.
Ticket never let anybody finish what they’re saying , nd he be wrong. They saying straight facts nd he just ignoring that.
Aye some point Ticket gotta get off his knees for air man
I love ticket but I think he's smoking something
Ticket only loses his Lebron Debates before they start
TICKET IS CORRECT.
To the Lebron lovers in the chat: regardless of who says it or how they say it... #1 Jordan is better than lebron #2 Jordan is the G.O.A.T. #3 repeat facts #1+#2
Bron scored 51 in game 1 and they got swept. MJ would’ve gotten his too but chances are he still gets swept. Didn’t the Celtics and Pistons sweeps him?
Same conference vs finals is what you're on track to compare here...
For sure smoked
Lebron got beat with two allstars on his team. Mj had who?
@@TheIcemanthomas when ,
@@TheIcemanthomas what r u talking about ? basketball isn’t for u
Jordan's roster in 1996 comeback year was all new except for Scottie...they won 72 games and the championship that year 🙄🙄
That's not true.... you can say that if you compare the two three peat teams... but Kukoc was there in 94. The team remained a good team in Jordan's absence. To the point of being close ti the final one of those two year.
He came back and lost due to a lack of big man. Then they got all nba Dennis Rodman
@Bravo Bessa They lost in the 2nd round that's not close to winning a tittle. Pippen was the only player that carried over from the first 3peat.
@@bravobessa3684 It's absolutely true kiddo. Scottie was the only carry-over from the 1993 title team. Try again son 🙄
Jordan came back in 95
MJ out point guarded the best point guard in NBA history, in his 1st NBA Finals. Let that sink in…. Then they say Lebron better, son your buggin🤦🏾♂️
Magic dropped a triple double on MJ Game 1 so they put Scottie on him for the rest of the series
@@coltonpeterson1452 Jordan scored 36 points compared to Magic’s 19
@@coltonpeterson1452 u just lied for no reason
@@coltonpeterson1452 you definitely let somebody puts some bullshit in your ear. Because Scottie only guarded Magic 20% of the series, whereas Jordan was guarding Magic 80% of the time. So cut the shit💯
@@JalengreentheGOAT It's just common misinformation LMAO
Ticket arguing like a emotional lesbian every time. He tells everybody to chill and wait but can’t shut the fuck up when someone is talking
So what y’all saying is MJ wouldn’t be able to get past Victor Oladipo, Demar Derozan and a rookie Jayson Tatum? Lmao
thank you sir someone who watches the game not wearing Bron Bron underpants
So let me get this straight, if MJ had replaced LBJ on the 2018 Cavs, MJ couldn’t beat the Pacers led by Victor Oladipo?
Or MJ would of lost to a rookie Jason Tatum and a young Celtics team?
Or MJ would of got eliminated by a soft Raptors team?
I guess I was the only person that knew that Lebron was going back to the finals that year , based on the teams that he had played against.
Even with the Cavs roster change in 2018 , Bron still had like 3 or 4 players with him from the previous playoffs/championship run.
Lol these are undisputed facts tht no Bron groupie can argue against tht why noone has commented 😂🤦🏽♂️
Fact!
Michael Jordan is simply the greatest basketball player so far…
Statistically and otherwise.
The further we drift from a society that exalts truth and closer to one that validates half truths/lies, the closer we are to the END of society.
Statistically?
@@velimasuku8808 highest ppg and PER
@@velimasuku8808 no he not
@@velimasuku8808 Lebron has a higher percentage from 2 and 3 than jordan. Jordan just shot the ball alot idk why ya lien to prop up jordan.
@@tdup191 Lebron has a higher percentage from 2 and 3 than jordan. Jordan just shot the ball alot idk why ya lien to prop up jordan.
Damn every show ticket just gets better and better! What lebron did in 2018 was have an all time great run. Congratulations Mj has those runs as well. If mj can get to any spot on the floor and kill you scoring why do ppl think he can’t do that with the pass? It’s ludicrous at the end of the day. Ppl bring up that he lost to Gsw with Kd/curry but forget he also beat a weak ass conference to get there.
bro stfu lol the cavs would be an 8th seed i dont think he beats toronto LET ALONE BOSTON hell nah jordan is a scorer get off mjs dick OG is right completely diff system jordan doesnt even make it to the conf finals let alone the nba eveyone knows this is what lebron does he does more with less than anyone in history jordan with less was gettin bounced in the first round cut it out
Weak conference or not lebrons 2018 team was worse than any of prime Jordan's teams and lebron was against a top 5 team of all time
@@antinate5353 And so what!!! Whether it was a top 5 team all time, Martians or the illuminati LBJ still lost! Why are we giving all this credit to a player/team that lost at the end of the day. No one says Jordan played against a top 5 team all time when he lost to the 86 celtics that went 67-15 that year and won the chip that year!
@@philmoe well for starters Michael Jordan was in his 3rd year and lost in the first round. There's nothing wrong with that though since you are only in your 3rd year. Lebron however was in his 13th year and was expected to be a 2nd round exit and then made it to the finals. Finals runs are a big reason we talk about players today such as Allen Iverson who also lost in the finals against a top 10 team.
@@philmoe MJ 1-9 without Scottie Pippen. Was choking in the first round until he got a superteam stop. Did you see lebron 2016 finals dummy.
It seems like only one person watches ball up in here. If Mike was on the cavs... they'd be the bulls. They talkin like jordan is harden or curry. Folks said Russell Westbrook wasn't around... case closed
Mike will Avg 40pts 8&8 easy
MJ’s my GOAT, but I got Bron as the most naturally skilled talent in NBA history. There is no coach, system, or anything we can credit for teaching Lebron to play how he plays. However I feel MJ got more out of his skillset than Bron has with his.
Thank you! It's not that hard.
This guy knows what he’s talking about 🔥
MJ was a better scorer and defender.
Jordan is definitely the most naturally talented basketball player ever. He was quite literally flying like a GOD
@@Thanosdidtherighthing jordansexual go somewhere
What honestly makes lebron so much better and what accolades back it up?
@@kingdavid7573 🧢
@@kingdavid7573 this is my point exactly.
@@kingdavid7573 the longevity argument has to stop with people
@@aaronadams140 what????? does the peak argument have to go as well??
@@legorovers9838 no bring up peak but Jordan at his peak produced more than LeBron at his peak correct?
Talking Jordan is gonna always be a pure meat riding contest. 😂😂. Nobody did anything better than Jordan 😂. This shit is hilarious
Exactly! 🤣🤣🤣
Nastiest thing I have seen in hoops discussions
@@FireAngelChris bruh no real hoop fan disrespects Jordan but it’s like if you have any criticism or you don’t bow hard enough mfs get upset. Ticket wild cause he know jordan don’t do everything better than bron but that’s his gimmick protect the old guard. It’s annoying as hell but tickets takes in general be bad but he funny af though 😂
@@G-ROCK1021 This was my argument with these guys before. How comes fans of other players can admit when someone does something better than their faves except with Jordan fans. Like bro it’s clear he doesn’t do everything better why lie
@@FireAngelChris idk bro lmao. It’s a dumb take, like brons whole thing is being able to be as quick, strong with the passing ability/IQ he has at that size. Why you can’t give him credit for that. Marz just look like said whatever he was gonna get worked up 😂
This is the issue with Jordan fans. I have Jordan #1 overall but im still in shock and awe that people will say with their chest out Jordan would Average 40 10 10 in this era and any guy in todays game would be garbage 😂 its such a dumb hypothetical. Ya 6'9 265 lebron wouldnt be able to handle the toughness. When it comes to jordan people are like "he woulda been a better at everything and lebron would have been worse at everything" like what? Based on literally nothing
Ticket be arguing the wrong points nd be swearing he right 🤣
Can we stop this narrative that mj became a better 3 point shooter late in his career. The 3 point line being moved closer for 3 seasons is the only reason why 3 point percentage and attempts shot up. Without those 3 seasons Mike is most likely shooting anywhere from 29%-31% for his career.
According to Statmuse, MJ shot 34.3% 3pt from 1989-1993( 4 seasons) on 2.1 attempts. This was significantly higher than the 20.2% 3pt on 0.8 attempts during his first 5 seasons.
There’s two sides to the shortened 3pt line. They increased MJ’s regular season 3pt%’s but also declined his playoff 3pt %’s. Without the shortened 3pt line, MJ shot 34.4% in the playoffs. By the way, this was the same shortened 3pt line that Steve Nash, Ray Allen, Reggie Miller, Mark Price, Mitch Richmond, Dennis Scott, Etc played under
@@Thanosdidtherighthing I just check the numbers on statmuse and basketball reference from 1988-89 season to the 1992-1993 mj was a 31% 3 point shooter on both websites. Even the 4 season window you’re talking about it comes up to 32%. Shooter. He’s a slightly below average 3 point shooter at best. Even for that era. If we gotta be honest
Michael Jordan has a higher player efficiency rating than Lebron’s
Lebron has a higher percentage from 2 and 3 than jordan. Jordan just shot the ball alot idk why ya lien to prop up jordan.
Jordan's PER is 27.3 (1rst all time). Lebron's PER is 27.1 (2nd all time and also very close). U cant make an argument using PER cause both players' PER are identical to one another.
For the record Kobe's PER is 23.8 (18th all time).
Imo Jordan is the GOAT but Lebron is closer than many people think. The gap between Jordan and Lebron is smaller than the gap between him and Kobe or Magic.
@@coreythomas3633 Jokic has a higher 2pt%, 3pt% and ft% than Lebron. Lebron just shot more according to your logic
@@Martin-tr4sj thats not true all time PER
1.Jordan 27.91
2.Jokic 27.30
3.Bron 27.27
Still close but you are correct if jordan didnt exist bron would be goat it is close but there is a gap between them.
Statistically its literally a tie. Jordan averaged more points and steals, LeBron averaged more assist and rebounds, blocks are a tie. Where the debate is not close is accomplishments, Jordan won more championships, more mvps, more fmvps, more Dfpoys, more scoring titles etc and he did it in way less time than LeBron is playing. LeBron could play 10 more years and still wouldn't catch Michael Jordan..
@@kingdavid7573 that doesn't make him a better player..LOL ..Kobe isn't even a better scorer then LeBron and scoring is Kobes best attribute.
@@willydakid6596 Peak Kobe is a better scorer than Peak LeBron. Kobes ppg average was severely hurt by his first 2 years where Del Harris wouldn't give him any playing time and his last 3 years after the Achilles tare where Kobe was absolute trash 🗑
@@marlowstanfield6815 MJ averages more blocks.
@@willydakid6596 I’ll say this Kobe was a better scorer than Lebron but it wasn’t light years ahead like how everyone makes it seem. Bron is a more versatile defender, better playmaker, higher IQ, more efficient, statistically more clutch, he carried the load longer, I think one thing people fail to realize is the level of competition he faced while also carrying teams at a clear disadvantage.
@@milesaheadpodcast they both average .8 blocks ppg, unless LeBrons has gone down
Ticket so mad like relax lmaooooooo he going so hard like a MJ fan girl that he's going off topic.
Jordan never beat Boston in the playoffs and the league change the rules in the 90 91 season so in the words of Wilt Chamberlain they may rule to stop me from dominating but they may rule to help you dominate
MJ was way better than Wilt Chamberlain lol.
@@Thanosdidtherighthing naw he wasn't ppl think MJ was way better than anyone else but he's not I still say his the goat but it's not a as big a gap as ppl think
Facts.
@@Jaygroova facts.
Mj never beat Boston because mj never had another elite teamate when Boston was at their peak. Lebron had a plethora of talent and was STILL getting that ass mopped up.
Realistic basketball fanatics know MJ is top dawg without thinking the grit,hustle and determination is unmatched adding he has the physical gifts and UNC winning culture in his blood MJ molded himself into basketball king
Kevin Love numbers would have been better playing with Jordan cuz in the LeBron James system Kevin Love became a just a spot-up shooter but if Kevin Love played with Jordan Kevin Love rebounds or go up and he will average about 19 25 points which would take the pressure off for Jordan.
Kevin love would have folded ..Jordan would have broke him mentally.
This is 1000% correct…thanks for understanding ball
@@YoungShadTv no he wouldn't cuz Jordan is a better leader than LeBron Jordan would have made it clear to them in training camp he would have built them up like he did Pippin. Why he had mental breakdown with LeBron cuz LeBron is passive aggressive Jordan would have let them know first thing training camp so I disagree with you with that
@@biggabar7048 dude love is soft mentally..dude couldn't take all that like pippen. But we can agree to disagree
@@YoungShadTv I disagree LeBron is just a poor leader
Finally they got someone keeping real about the goat MJ , all ya know lj is not even close to MJ
Cavs were garbage but so was that Eastern conference, I mean Derozan and a rookie Taytum were the best players aside from Bron
“He ain’t Mike, bro 😒.” 😭😭😂😂
@@kingdavid7573 what's good with your super love for kobe like relax he wasn't what you imagined 😭
@@kingdavid7573 Bron definitely better than Kobe😂 Bron been the best player on all his rings…Kobe wasn’t even the best for his first three
@@lorddj9910 lol AD was better than Bron in 2020
@@kingdavid7573 I’d rather have 4 chips as the main guy rather then have 3 Kenny smith ass championships and only 2 as the main guy
@@pallani8471 I'll rather have 6 than 4 as the main guy with the most finals MVPs which is also 6 and be undefeated in the finals as the leader and best player of a 2 threepeat dynasty team
LOW and Marz's opinions seem to stem from a complete lack of athleticism and or understanding of sports on a visceral level. Thats the only brand of person i've ever seen scoff at the idea that Michael Jordan's exceptionalism was overwhelming. The youth, coupled w not having watched Mike play is one thing but the true disrespect to guys like Mike and Kobe come's from never having to endure athletic challenges and more than likely never even having been in a streetfight.
Its quite telling....
Yo stop writing goofy 💩 in the comments. You not intelligent bro. You a grown man trying to play doctor & over psychoanalyze a person on TH-cam because they disagree with your basketball take 😂
@@christopherd.3291 you must be just like LOW and Marz…i pray for ur healing and ur ability to recognize that you’re being brainwashed by corporate idealism to hate excellence via the worship of numbers. The apathy that this generation has toward true merit and hard work is what will ultimately be their demise.
Enjoy your Holiday brody…
@@josephschmizzo1595 Lmao I know you young as hell cause how you in your 40’s and you calling me brody 😂
@UCPvT8Iu01dRQjXU7fVuoTew I’m 35 …where did i say i was 40? I talk to ppl all the time on YT about sports, art and philosophy to spread wisdom, thats it. If u think im stupid, then cool…keep it pushing, but its love on my side. Ive gone back and forth w Marz plenty times in these comments and we’ve cooked, i got love for him regardless.
Bro I've watch mike play and the dude wasn't as great y'all make him out to be.