Eboni K. Williams Defends Her Comments About Mediocrity on The Breakfast Club
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Needed to hear this !!! I was a school bus driver & currently a school custodian. I clicked thinking this would be super controversial / combative but the amount of logic she provided behind her stand point left me with a high level of respect for her mentality. As a young black man striving to learn new skills to improve my position in this country I appreciate the message ! I’m studying to own a home inspection business .
AMAZING 👏🏿
This! I levelled up from being a miserable nurse and doubled my income.
That’s fire!!! Wishing lots of success to your business 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
I love this for you and we need more Black Inspectors and Appraisers in Real Estate. Congratulations ❤🖤💚
Ebony is full of shit and all that talkin that she's doing don't justify anything she said to Iyana!!! She put foot in her mouth and now she's trying to get it out!!!
The beige rage meter TOOK ME OUT 😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂 I saw that😂😂😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Envy tryna be the “ people’s champ” while he drives around in Maseratis and hosts car shows 😂😂😂😂😂
THANK YOU!
NO, Envy is standing up for the people that support his business
She actually made the most sense to me. Seriously feelings are way less important than our progression as a people.
Yes!!
Finally somebody who actually gets it
“our progression as a people”?
Who tf is “our” and what does “as a people” mean
She is a hypocrite. She is saying that Envy is emotional and therefore not receiving the message. Then she turns around and shits on Chris Rock because she is in her feelings as a black woman and what Chris said about Jada...
Very much
She just liberated and vindicated so many who have been saying this. I’m so grateful. Thank you finally
She can talk all this empowerment talk but that wasn't what she originally meant.
There is a life value and a sexual value. In sexual value ms eboni is closer to the average she hates so muvh
She ain't said nothing.
@@pobj6723 Her sexual value is average to you, because you are probably a colorist like most black men! I bet you don't say trashy white women are average do you?
@@edwhilt Iyanla and you ain't said nothing!
@@pobj6723 the idea that you believe that sexual value and life value are equal speaks to the lack of education she pointed out using factual statistics. If saying “oh she’s not sexually attractive” makes you feel better about making 1/8 of what she makes, fine. But that doesn’t change the fact that you focus on the superficial because she has what men like you wish they had, which is money and status 😂😂😂. And you trying to brainwash women to equating the two will not be sustainable when the facts come into play.
Now this is the Breakfast Club that I've grown to Love over that last decade!!!! Great back and forth, without being disrespectful.
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She was very disrespectful to the reality of many working class people…what do you mean? It’s disrespectful to ignore their reality and blame their “mindset”
@@merder1414did you listen to the entire exchange? You believe it was disrespectful that doesn’t mean that was her intent. She’s saying that she wants better for us as a community instead of settling.
@@Rachel_Martin90 in her initial statement with Iyanla she came off as such and in her rebuttal before this interview she doubled down on it. She came off as condescending and looking down on regular everyday working people.
@@LastoftheMohicans116 that’s bound to happen when we only view clips rather than watch the entire conversation
Eboni, I agree 1000% with every single word you said. We as a people need to stop getting hurt "feelings" over some damn words especially when those words are coming from a real one and and rooted in love and best intentions. I admittedly haven't watched much of Eboni's content (and I need to change that!), but just from what I've watched thus far she's 100% and owns what she says...and I get down with people like that. Great interview and like many have said, a much needed conversation.
I think Envy implying that Eboni is shitting on bus drivers is being disingenuous. It’s not about the profession, it’s more about one’s ambition and progression. She didn’t say she wouldn’t date a bus driver, she said if he owned the bus… meaning as long as he’s progressed beyond just driving the bus. Eboni is about 40 years old and her resume speaks for itself. She wants to build a life with someone who has accomplished more in life.
The beige rage meter with Envy’s face has me dying 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yeah he was big mad!
Shit tooo funny
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Lol😂!
Man 😂😂😂😂😂
Envy loves proving a point when he thinks he has one. 😩 His body language from the beginning says he ain’t tryina hear her because he got somethin to say. Aside from who she wants to date, she clarified exceptional/mediocre with facts and data and he still wanted to tussle. 😂
I just said the SAME thing, His body language spoke volumes, It was louder than the conversation itself!!
He had such negative simp energy over there pouting
@@keelhe893exactly he’s always like that with BW straight envious/jealous
Thank you - I was watching on my tv and had to break out the iPad
DJ Envy obviously was ready to fight because of how he feels about his parents and what they did for him WHILE BEING AVERAGE WORKING CLASS…
Ebony is def on point and she made the same point over and over and over again!
Some men can’t handle a strong and intelligent woman outside the bedroom…he’s definitely 🤡’ing.
What are the odds he told someone to get a better job, that was serving him... To try to embarrass them... 🙄🙄🙄
You can tell envy did not listen the entire of the interview. Just talking and not listening. BYE!
There was nothing missing. I watched the whole interview and it doesnt make her look any better.
People need to understand that your feelings are YOUR responsibility. The second we accept this to be true is the second we end so much suffering. We can be empathetic and understanding and kind...and STILL hurt someone's feelings. When we heal as a community, we won't be so susceptible to hurt feelings. This conversation was a trigger to a wound caused long before ebonie Williams.
Yeah but she said nothing that was right. That was not even her statement They were talking about dating not the plight of the black man and woman she turned it into that.
I’ve been a track worker for NYC Transit for almost ten years. I’m about to train to become a track inspector because I know I can’t be a track worker forever. Physically, that will take its toll. Some may not like the way she did it, but Eboni K. Williams was basically calling men higher, black men especially. That’s actually a good thing. I’m encouraged by that.
I Can see that if this was a woman who pursued black men.. This lady pursued white men her entire life and now that she is 40 and single this is all black mens fault? She tryna scape goat men into feeling like its our fault when the stats say Black men lead black women in everything .. Smh this is just crazy
Yea but you weren’t complacent, you did what you had to do to get where you wanted to be.. at no point would I have called you or what you had to do was mediocre.. good luck witcha training G 🤝
Yea but a lot BM don't hear that though. They don't know how to read between the lines and get offended by everything that could implemented as constructive criticism
The Black women that don't push black men to be better usually are the ones that pity black men bc they don't believe they can do better. So really, Eboni clearly cares more about yall which is why she's saying to step it up.
Good stuff bro! The interviewers were horrible.
when eboni started mentioning statistics I FELT THAT. that’s what drove her point home for me. it’s about mindset. the cards been stacked against us. now we have google and we have social media. the opportunity to think outside the box is THERE. the opportunity to maximize your skill set is THERE.
we have opportunities that other generations didn’t. knowledge is democratized bc of the internet, and knowledge is POWER. parents should keep expecting greatness from their kids without putting undue pressure on them. my parents didn’t play around about that and it was the discipline I NEEDED. i know my talented a$$ can’t work certain minimum wage jobs bc i care *more* about maximizing my skill set.
i know there are systemic issues we’re still dealing w as a community, but it shouldn’t be an excuse for community-wide complacency.
Her initial comment and frame was in regards to men as a whole. The pivot to black men was her changing the conversation and moving the goal post
Bingo. #noexcuses
Lol why is it that when Kevin Samuels used statistics to point to black women's mediocrity such as obesity, it was suddenly feelings matter and how you say it matters. But with Eboni apparently only the numbers matter and who cares if the way you say it hurts feelings?
She is so sneaky. She change the story around . She had a white man
@@RKG5A5 My Brother
The Problem Is They Worried About People Feelings, They Can’t Take The Fact That She Using Her Vocabulary Correctly 😂 Cause Atp They Not Listening
Envy and Weezy had a brick wall up and were both disrespectful. No matter how logical Eboni was, they refused to hear her point and Envy looked bored every-time Eboni spoke. So disrespectful! They put Eboni in the hot seat and she was READY! Eboni is right! It’s not about the feelings. We are capable of stepping up!!! Period.
This was one hell of a conversation, and it was a MUCH NEEDED conversation. If you can get out of your feelings enough, you will get the message. Great job to everybody involved.
Agreed
Yes!
I agree. When my children attended school C,D,F was unacceptable in my home. Period…..
🎯🎯🎯 The one thing I’ve learned in life are these words… “It is not personal, it’s business”. Personal will have you stuck in your feelings and when you FINALLY get out of your feelings, life done ran right through you.
@@girlygirllocssoul agreed!
This is one of the best conversations I've heard on the Breakfast Club. Kudos to you all.
A few years ago it was ok to call most women average looking and that we should accept and be ok with that. Now average is a bad word. Most people work average jobs and there’s nothing wrong with wanting more for yourself and we should want more for ourselves. Most men would go after a “10” before going after an “average” woman. That’s the nature of humans.
The "Beige Rage" meter is hilarious. When it went red I almost lost it
Eboni will never apologize for hurting people feelings. I love how Envy stood 10 toes down for his community!!! Way to go Envy!!
Oh she’ll apologize if it was the LGBTQ but since it’s black men she doesn’t have too it’s ok to disrespect us
The hard truth does and typically hurt people feelings.
He's wrong she said nothing bad about any profession
I'm sorry you and bus drivers are hurt but no woman owes anybody anything.
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The Beige Rage meter is HILARIOUS 😂
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Thx Eboni K Williams for pushing us forward. We as blk people don’t like the truth. We do need to push higher!
um.. didnt she get caught stealing shoes, UM didnt her law degree get suspended.. Um didnt her car get repeod. SHe needs to stop. seriously
It was a very powerful and strong interview. It was on my son's birthday. Thank you Ms. Williams for starting the this powerful conversation.
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I With you Eboni I’m a welder repair business owner and I’m employed with a garbage company ownership is key 🔑 stay woke black folks ❤❤❤❤
Very inspiring proud of you!
You don’t have a problem with what she said because you aren’t a bum with one source of income❤️
Everybody don't want to be a owner
A lot of black people aren’t ready for this conversation. If you listened to what she said objectively without emotions then you would know that Eboni is speaking a lot of truth. There are alot of systemic problems that have put our people behind but we keep ourselves there in alot of ways.
Speak it!
You're correct. What she said holds true. However, her tone and some of the verbiage was harsh and insensitive. When called out on how it was viewed, she still doubled down, opting not to admit that it rubbed folks the wrong way. If her viewership took a nose dive behind this, I bet she'd be on an apology tour.
And we agree. But the problem is, that’s not the argument. The argument is broke men get rejected, but broke women still find a rich husband and aren’t judged.
I agree with you. It all reverts back to yt supremacy-Dr. Francis Welsing and Dr. Claude Anderson have been warning us about the permanent underclass and how yt supremacy is a system. People need to wake up!
What she’s saying is idealistic and actually isn’t a way to build a strong black economy. Not everybody can be an entrepreneur and not everybody needs to be an entrepreneur in order to elevate the black community. If someone is happy driving a bus, living a simple life I just don’t see the problem. They still play a vital role in society and in the economy, they are consumers which are needed.
As a custodian myself , but a barber & cannabis business owner as well , I can relate to what she is saying and a lot of people don’t want to hear .
It’s all about what the person wants I see it everyday in the school district some people are complacent with just being custodians or just teachers but deep down are unhappy or know they want more and can do more but for whatever reason or outside / internal situations they settle .
As a custodian business owner I know this is not it for me and I strive for more daily but not everyone can relate and I’m ok with that like snoop dogg said it’s about closing the gap .
If you were 60 years old with a successful cleaning company, would you feel like you lived a life that was mediocre? I dont think that would be mediocre. And I'm really glad you strive to reach even more, and have multiple companies. But I would be just as happy for you if you had a decent job and a happy family 🤷♂️ there's nothing mediocre about living your life bro ❤💯
Envy should shut up. She explained herself very well so him still not understanding what she was saying and provoking her is crazy. Yes, I thought it was messed up what she said based on the Iyanla "clip" but hearing the full explanation, I agree with her and I'm not offended as a black person.
She really proved her point its simple better yourself to greatness dont settle at mediocre
Yes. At the same time she does not need to prove anything. We are all allowed to have our preferences. If it's not hurting someone else who cares?
What’s average? Being middle class is average? This trash woman is below average as a human being and that’s what matters the most.
I'm one-hundred-percent in agreement with her but we got off topic I thought the topic was why didn't she date black men
@@brotherman1363 She never said. That was never the discussion. Envy was just deflecting because he was feeling beige rage and thinking with emotions and not logic
She's not downing it. She wants us to keep striving for better and not become complacent. There is nothing wrong with that. I'm in college right now.
Good for you! Wait till a couple years from now when women start dominating the work space because men decided to get in their feelings and not step up.
THANK YOU DJ ENVY!! She was definitely moving the goal post! She’s changing the subject!🤷🏽♀️🤷🏽♀️🤷🏽♀️
Changing the subject please😹
No… it all tied together. It’s just hard for black people to accept it or see it.
She literally answered how to not be mediocre like 10 times and they keep asking it
Yes I'm like why are people playing crazy. Like she doesn't keep answering the questions. And talking in circles. I would have been so frustrated with em! It was like they weren't listening,and just saying anything. Lol
Maybe it don't make sense to them..explaining don't mean anything if it doesn't make sense
@@jeffmorency3224 true.
She is double talking and what she is saying doesn’t make sense. She is saying if you don’t settle for one job and maximize your skills then you are not mediocre but at the same time there are several broke people with tons of hustles and streams of income but they are not making good money. I guarantee she will consider them mediocre. She wouldn’t date a bus driver that owned the bus if he wasn’t profitable.
@@gtsound12 She's allowed to have her personal standard, she minimized that part of the conversation because the bigger issue for her is the conversation around settling for mediocrity. And if there are several broke people with several streams of income then obviously they're not optimizing their potential. At the end of the day, she said she's not the ruler for what mediocrity is, define that for yourself!
I’m a bus driver who happens to own his own bus and business and I’m not offended by what she’s saying. I can feel where she’s coming from and the mindset that she would entertain being involved with. Having a preference shouldn’t be frowned upon because there’s levels to things.
exactly, I feel like Envy would take issue with after all he has done , he would not like his kids wanting to become a bus driver or his daughters marry a bus driver. And these are dude that clown Childish Gambino for coming in there with average no name clothes .
No you’re not. Nice try. You’re fishing for positive comments.
Awesome! My Grandfather was a founder of the 1st black bus company! It’s about what makes you happy.
@@mefilmmaking Ha, I would get nothing from that but I see YOU’RE fishing for dialogue by commenting on other people’s comments. Have a good one whoever you are
@@newrivervalleywellnessdotc1260 Exactly it is hypocritical of him. He is attenpting to push political correctness and feelings over facts.
I appreciate the honesty and perspective from Eboni K Williams- if black folk can get out of our own way and listen to a perspective that allows us to be better we would succeed- BET ON BLACK
As a current worker within the gig economy, I wholeheartedly agree with most of what she said.🤷🏽♀️
🚨I was once a plant worker and I HATED IT making $15.75 at Ford Motor Company. Now I’m a truck driver making $30….. 🚨 I must say this was a healthy conversation and I actually agree with her. Us as black ppl, HAVE TO GET OUT OF MEDIOCRACY! Now her delivery was tough, but she has a VALID POINT! We have to do better as a culture. I’ll say it for Eboni, the black culture is BROKEN and she’s really telling us to get out our feelings and get our ISH together. I will FOREVER expect EXCEPTIONALITY out of myself and everyone associated with me. Now Envy has a point about the delivery BUT we gotta toughen up and it’s kinda the right place for a woman to speak to the hearts of men. Men can motivate men, but our Queens can move us in ways that other men can’t. Respectfully.
She don't mean that shit she a damn lawyer ! She made 2 different comments BUS driver then got mad at the comments and proceeded to attack with the C and Ds comments and white supremacy talk !!! You negros believe whatever a MF SAY LOLLLL
You fell for it to 🤦🏾♂️
She prefer white men for a reason
@@f58534 Maybe you should fall for it too. We’re doubling salaries over here 😉
@Ms. Bailey we doing quite well actually.... together.... she changed the topic after getting dragged
She called the working class mediocre. Aint no way around that. Mediocre has always had a negative connotation. You can’t flip it to = average
Fax
Mediocre has two definitions. She meant of low quality in her original statement but today she wanna say average lmao
It's all relative. Depending on the average income of the folks she's in the room with a woman worth $2million can be mediocre. If she in a room with Oprah, she's the mediocre.
*The funny part about it is that she look mediocre. Men value the physical of a woman not money and success. I wouldn't want to wife this regular looking chick anyway. She only qualify for a good smash* 🤷🏾
‼️ eboni k Williams is CORRECT. I'mma put my business on front Street I only make $20 an hour and I agree with everything this woman is saying. Y'all dudes are weak. Just because you're a nice person someone is supposed to take you in no matter your conditions ⁉️ stop acting like y'all would date a homeless nice person. People have a right to their standards. When you're trying to be an entrepreneur you are advised by experts to surround yourself around alike individuals. You don't think it's extremely important/necessary for that alike individual to be your sexual/life partner. If a woman told me I have to get my bread up before being in her life I wouldn't be mad. Just like I wouldn't expect a homeless woman to be mad at me if I tell her she has to upgrade her life if she wants to be with me. Y'all are weak and emotional.
Basically, if you’re broke, fat, ugly, short, uneducated, or have a disability just remember it’s not personal. It’s a preference..
Aww she hurt your feelings 😢
@@tbbokumdamn right she hurt my feelings beating my din din is a whole ass 9-5
Eboni warned about affirmative action in this vid. As of 6/30/23 , she is proven right!!😢.
This most definitely was one of the best topics and debates EVER presented on this show!!! Omg! Loved every moment of it! This conversation was definitely needed.
I thought it was just me. I love the breakfast club but this conversation just hit different for some reason. I was soo mad it ended lol
No matter on what end you stand. This was a good conversation! The breakfast club needs to do this more often.
Very true...
One side had facts and the other was all feeling
Yes I loved the commentary
True
@@joka5345 And it wasn’t Eboni 👏🏾 !!! I love that for us
Thank you sis 🙌🏾🙌🏾 she’s challenging the community! Period! the truth hurst but the facts are facts ! Grow up Envy!
Envy spoke the truth lmao she’s the one who needs to stop shaming peopl for driving a city bus
OOOOHH MY GOD!! Are we even listening??? Shes not shaming anyone!!! She just wants black ppl to strive for better that's all!!! Envy honestly really needs to grow up!!
I agree 100% with what she is saying. I say this all the time, the need for skills & certifications is essential. The only problem I have, it is assumed that Black Americans are okay with kids getting c’s & d’s in school; then, going to college and not excelling. Absolutely no way have I ever been okay with that, and it’s in poor taste, to think that most of us are okay with it. Life is like a circle: church, family, community, and education. All facets are important and must be aligned. When one is off, it affects the other. Not saying, there won’t be much success, but it’ll be harder to attain. For instance, Eboni comes from a single parent household; yet, her family life didn’t stop her from achieving anything. The biggest attainment out of the four is education. There won’t be much skill set without it. Not only just education, but people need to UNDERSTAND the importance of it, and understand WHY it’s needed or conceptualism. It’s like learning math. It would be hard to learn the different lessons of math, without learning the concepts first. Some people may not know the importance of understanding why skill sets are needed.
For the people like me who can actually SEPARATE EMOTIONS from facts & data, we understand EXACTLY what she was saying regarding the topic of discussion. Great conversation.
Well she misrepresented several facts wrong so there’s that.
@@usmanvcx What facts are those?
I agree. I was not offended by anything she said. The delivery might be seen as harsh but we cannot be coddled any longer. Look what coddling has done to our community as a whole. It's time to really wake up. This is a "rude" awakening.
@InvaderZimi what she was saying has nothing to do with what she originally said.
@@thadonjuan2339 I don't have a problem with what she said originally and I don't have a problem with what she said now. 🤷🏾
Eboni you have spoken! We’ve been taught to take less and or expect less. Our thinking needs to be altered to higher level.
Agreed! This is how I’m raising my 2 daughters. One will be graduating and going to college in 2024.
She already understands the assignment. Standards, boundaries and expectations!
It’s just that simple.
First time hearing Ms. Eboni K. Williams. Definitely on point. End of the day don't let your feelings & insecurities stop you from leveling up. No matter your position there's so much room for growth. For our communities to survive & ultimately thrive this mentality is required.
I agree with DJ Envy’s sentiment. The snippet was probably taken out of context but like he said, people were offended by it. And to all the people saying they agree with her, ownership doesn’t relieve you from mediocrity. It’s an internal thing. Mrs. Vanzant’s whole point was about searching inside. At the end of your life, what would have mattered most; your salary and material possessions or your character? All of our salaries, small or large, can be gone tomorrow. That doesn’t mean be complacent. It means remember what’s most important!
I would say both sides made for a balanced conversation but Eboni seemed defensive most of the time. Like the other co-host said, “she didn’t stand 10 toes down”. She used the statistics that blacks died at a disproportionate rate to other groups during COVID because of our exposure as essential workers as a way to support her point but it just seemed like she was moving the goal post. None of that had anything to do with the broader narrative of her interview with Mrs. Vanzant. Like DJ Envy said, whether you meant to or not….you did offend the backbone of the US economy. Not Lawyers, doctors and accountants, but average workers, small businesses and blue collar workers, militia workers make it possible for her to “advocate” as she claimed. I was personally offended by the narrative notwithstanding how sensational it was.
I found this spirited debate extremely satisfying and stimulating. You all held your own and had good, strong points. It was like watching an expert tennis match and I throughly enjoyed it. You all were firm, passionate, heated but no one was disrespectful or rude. This is how it should be. Would love for this to be a permanent segment once a week or month with you four discussing important issues that are related to the Culture. Well done.
same!
Agreed 💯
"WeNeedToTalk" on youtube does it better.
Word!
I hear you Auntie, but it’s a little sad how we’re enjoying this as entertainment. Those stats about black folk being at the bottom are real and we’ll continue to be at the bottom if we don’t address the true cause of it all and that’s our inability to work together as men and women. Eboni dismissing blue collar work as mediocre is a huge distraction in my opinion.
As someone who loves tough love and brutal honesty I enjoy Eboni's approach. She's ultimately saying black people are consistently at the bottom of the totel pole in everything and that we need to fix that via ownership.
And we agree. But the problem is, that’s not the argument. The argument is broke men get rejected, but broke women still get a man.
@@showmecreationsmultimedia FACTS… she literally said people with average jobs had c and d for grade point average.
@Show Me Creations the black community will NEVER thrive and be at the top of the totel pole without black men. She is ultimately pushing black men to seek power and ownership. The first step in that direction, according to most people, will always be education. What is wrong with that?
All of that has nothing to do with her original statement
@@showmecreationsmultimediashe still ain't dating the bus driver
I want to say this: I was a school bus driver. For those of you who don't know; school bus drivers have to obtain a CDL. That is a commercial driver's license. This license is issued by the Department of Transportation from whatever state you live in. A school bus driver has to know all 200 parts of and the functionality of their bus and demonstrate this knowledge in a written and professional driver's test. You have to learn how to drive what is called a flat nose bus and a bus with a nose. As well as an automatic bus vs. An air brake bus. If you cannot demonstrate your knowledge or that you can operate this vehicle safely then you cannot obtain a Class B driver's license. A class B Is a step down from a class A which truckers have to operate their rigs. Class B gives the driver the authority to operate all passenger vehicles, additionally a class B also has school bus clearance. In being a school bus driver you have to have customer service skills, ability to focus, and master distracted driving, maintain safety on and off the bus, pupil management, interpersonal skills, as well as minor mechanical skills. You also have to know how to articulate yourself across radio platforms and you also participate in Transportation boards and trainings. Every 6 years you have to re-cerify. Being a bus driver is not a joke. It is not a position that involves dumb or unskilled people. Having a class B has always allowed me to drive for whatever company I wanted to. As a bus driver my salary was between $40,00]-$65,00 a year. So for people that keep thinking being a school bus driver is a step down....educate yourself. I want to add the money I just said I made, I made it on a PART TIME schedule. So again....educate yourself
The truth hurts! She’s an educator, not an entertainer! Deal with it !
You invite Eboni on the show to address your hurt feelings and she addresses every statement fully and you still don’t want to really hear her. As she keeps saying, “average” does not mean *bad or inferior* . If you’re cool with where you are, be blessed, it’s fine. This was supposed to be a conversation about reaching your full potential.
She herself said average is never good enough. She's a con artist, alot of doubletalk
She goes and says that people with those jobs are average and mediocre and then says she doesn’t shit on them 😂😂
@@BelovedJ She goes on and defines the term “average,” which is obviously triggering for some. A word that means *typical, normal, usual* really has people upset because you’ve somehow heard her say “inferior” or “less than”.
But what if average is your full potential
Didn’t address shit, moved the goal post
Eboni: “If you’re not doing your absolute best, you should!”
Dj Envy: “Stop pooping on my father!!!”
😂😂😂😂
He really kept bringing up his father lol like huh 😂
The same men who call women emotional. I'm surprised he didn't cry or storm out like he did with desus and mero
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Basically, she said... Black men, if you are the leaders... then lead!✌🏽
I used to work as a Steel Fabricator in West Point, MS making $9.50 an hour with a high school education. I am now a Data Scientist with an MBA making almost six times that amount. I think what should have been said: Do what you are passionate about and satisfied with. If you think you are worth more, then go get it. If you are satisfied with "driving a bus" so, be it. Love shouldn't be based on how much money you make; it should be based who that person is. Nothing against Eboni, sometimes words are better spoken inside your head. That comment should have been an inside the head conversation. Words are powerful, and I didn't have someone convince me to want more in my life. I had to want it myself.
I completely agree with Eboni. She is saying the same thing that immigrant parents have said to their children for decades. Every First Gen kid has heard this most of their life!! 🇯🇲
Exactly
Facts. My parents are Haitian 🇭🇹. They dont play!
There is a difference between immigrants and Black Americans
A LOT OF BLACK AMERICAN PARENTS TALKS TO THERE KIDS.😒
@@destinymcgowan5328 and DUMMY, that's what she is saying. Stop being BEGGARS in America. The whi+es having given yall SHHH and while never give yall SHHH. Thinking you're special talking about " ⚫ Americans" just show yall have been the riches and being in America the longest and STILL DONT GOT SHHH TO SHOW FOR IT.
Whether you like Eboni K. Williams or not. Whether you like her delivery or not. Whether you like her status in life or not. She is speaking FACTS! Envy all in his feelings being all sensitive! Shout out to Eboni K!
U know it all
You hate Envy because he a man stop talking in code 😂😂
Lol why is it that when Kevin Samuels used facts to point to black women's mediocrity such as obesity, it was suddenly feelings matter and how you say it matters. But with Eboni apparently only the numbers matter and who cares if the way you say it hurts feelings?
So Envy can't be just as relevant with his perspective and delivery? Wow 😮
@@CaliCool91 bingo
The Beige Rage meter tho🤣🤣🤣
Thank you, DJ envy for standing up for essential workers and not allowing eboni to tap dance with big words to seem like shes fighting a bigger "fight". Thank you to all the working class workers that are essential. This is what being detached from reality looks like.
Um, dj envy wouldn't let his daughters marry a bus driver who is happy being a bus driver. Nobody else is told to settle but black women.
Envy aint feeling her..virgo energy on full display
@@peachesandpoets dating a bus driver is not settling if you are in the same income bracket. And that what Kevin samuals was saying . Women who only make 50,000 a year saying they don't want to settle. It not settling to date in your class bracket. And if you like eboni and are a millionaire it different. She not asking for anything she not doing herself
He conflating the issue and by his own word. He didn’t watch the full clip.
Speak on it!!!!!
“I do the same thing without putting people down!” DJ ENVY came with the heat! I love it!!
I wholeheartedly understand what Eboni is saying, I think her delivery and then doubling down is what rubbed many people the wrong way, but it was a very important discussion, look forward to seeing more deep conversations like this. 👏🏽
I agree
Who cares what eboni has to say about the black community she’s clearly only dates white men that have a position of power.
That really what it is.
That's their problem. Why do black women have to walk on eggshells to tell the truth? She studied and went to law school and doesn't want struggle love. She shouldn't have to kiss the ring to say that
@@peachesandpoets and she’s still 40 and unmarried her millionaire fiancé called off the engagement money can’t buy love and success is not going to make someone stay with you.
I UNDERTOOD EVERYTHING SHE WAS SAYING SHE WASNT PUTTING ANYBODY DOWN SHE WAS JUST SAYING SET HIGHER STANDARDS FOR YOURSELF
Right???
um.. didnt she get caught stealing shoes, UM didnt her law degree get suspended.. Um didnt her car get repeod. SHe needs to stop. seriously
@@ElectronicsWiredwhere did you see that
@@roselynholloway7863 google it. she admitted it. she was on housewives but she had neither a house nor was she a wife.
F feelings n she is right 100% the truth hurts as a black man i aint offended at all she dropping straight up facts....💯💯💯💯💯💯
I worked for MTA so I could go to school on THEIR DIME. I did an average job so I could go to school to learn exceptional skills in IT which has and continues to provide me a Phenomenal and very lucrative career and lifestyle for me.
One thing is for certain...
Eboni is highly intelligent and passionate. If we had more like her, well paid, and in the classrooms pushing our youth towards excellence; not only would our community be in a much better place, but so would our nation as a whole.
This!!!
Fax !
Good speech Gandhi
I don’t pay attention to entertainers, what grassroots work have she did? Instead of complaining about black men?
So Albert Einstein was mediocre?
What Envy said was powerful. A lot of black people are starting from such a place of disadvantage that the best thing they can do is work their asses off so that they can pass the baton to their children; so their children actually get a fair shot. We grow by operating as a community, not just thinking about what is best for us as individuals and optimizing our individual potential. Just like on a basketball team, it's not for everyone to score. Sometimes you need to set a screen. You won't be presenting yourself in the best light individually, but if you really care about what's best for the collective, you'll do it.
Well said!
So true. My uncle was a bus driver and raised two kids plus me. His two kids have PHDs. I have two degrees myself.
Very true black folks use to think that way but we've gotten lost in the benefits we've come to earn for the most part after the civil and voting rights movements we need to get back to reality about what's going on
It wasn’t. He wanted a moment. Do you believe that he would advocate for his daughters to date/marriage the bus driver.
Nah this can’t be the excuse 400 years from slavery. Black men have been running that excuse into the GROUND. Get off y’all asses and stop making excuses. The community will continue to suffer until ALL of its members get their shit together. Until then individuals need to do what they need to do regardless of what the community does.
Eboni k Williams
"As black men age, their desirability increases, the opposite can be said for black women"
I can't lie. I'm a truck driver, and I was offended by what she said. But I only saw the clip. Now that she explained what she meant, in hindsight, I understand her point. This reminds me of what Kevin Samuels used to do. He used to spark the community up in order to have a much needed conversation. Thanks for clearing that up, very clever.
She only dates white men
This conversation was excellent!!!!!!! These are the types of conversations we need to be having in our community on a consistent basis. It’s important not to dismiss either viewpoint but take the best part from what Ebony and envy are saying ! OUTSTANDING CONVERSATION 🙌🏿💪🏿
I appreciated it too. I just would like our people to emote from sound bites. We need to be more prepared to handle and focus on context. We miss a lot when we get mad from a 60 sound bite.
OUR PEOPLE? IT SHOULD BE ALL.
@Get Money & Chill Yea she was wayyy off. And she totally backtracked. Talk about spinning a narrative.
@@getmoneychill6462 Exactly. Makes no damn. Sense.
Her book is called "Bet on Black" but she herself is literally doing the opposite.
@Kuro Kaizen And when she talked sh*t about the Bus Drivers, I guarantee you she was envisioning a BLACK bus driver, not a Chad.
This is exactly some of the conversations needed to be had: Honesty, Maturity, Passion
There was nothing mature about her. She showed that she is the kind of person that does not listen to critique and who is very dismissive of other people's viewpoints.
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@@malcolmthompson7769 huh? Did we watch the same interview? DJ Envy was literally doing the exact same ish that you are claiming Eboni did. Y’all black men are just mad because you only saw one clip of an interview, misconstrued tf out of it and ran with it
@@jailynjackson7867 some Black Men like to take out all of their frustrations on any woman who dares to have an opinion or preference. What she said wasn’t wrong, even if some took offense to it. No one should have to change their opinion because it hurts someone feelings. As long as it isn’t being blatantly racist or hateful…how cares.
just not condescending
She’s classist and still has a capitalist gaze of the world. It’s great to upgrade but you don’t tear people down to lift them up.
And you have to care about how people feel if you’re trying to convince them of something. None of the people she’s offending are gonna listen. So she’ll fail.
She also kept shutting Weezy down when she kept having very very reasonable critique. She doesn’t know how to take criticism, but expects other people to.
Envy didn’t hold back and I LOVE it! He held her to the fire-especially making note of the fact that she never took accountability for her comments that literally hurt people!
Men have preferences all the time, she can have one too.
@@Nash0303 RIGHT!!! Since when do men care about “hurting feelings” 😂
What hurt them most? The fact that she called certain jobs and grades mediocre, or their realization that they have accepted mediocrity over greatness in work and school?
If her statement hurt you you need to level up.
@@50esq65 Sis spoke the truth and was getting dragged for ratings bc of the facts that she stated. Too many Black Folk want their ears tickled! They are hearing "what they want to hear" and twisted her words and tag-teaming her and over-speaking as she was talking. #SAD . It's a truly sad person that lives their lives by their feelings with little to no standards! I agree with her 200%
I swear we’re the only community that won’t allow us to have standards. Everyone else does and we say nothing but soon as we do everyone gets up in arms
We ALWAYS have standards, STOP buying into Anti Black Rhetoric. SMH. None of the individuals on that panel would say their community DON'T have standards!
@@renewilson2540 i disagree- black people set standards hella low #FACTS
Facts !!
@@lelahill9778 Facts asf unfortunately smh.
Nobody cares that she had standards. Her putting down people is the issue
Y'all got to get out Y'all feelings, she was expressing her preference.
Much love to Ebony K.
She schooled everyone.
She is a good lawyer. She affectively changed the narrative from "I'm too good for the average man because of my income" (which is just fine) to "I'm trying to uplift black people from mediocracy." The issue is that there is a cost to financial success; a cost that is not worth it for many. If you are a successful woman that wants a relationship with a man that cost is more than doubled. So, if you choose that path make sure the grind is your reward because the grind may be all you have in the end.
Well said.
Which is the most pathetic crap I've ever heard. So a woman that decides to be successful, should expect to be alone, because her male peers can't keep up? That's STUPID. That's a huge problem. This community has get to STOP coddling lazy mfs.
That’s deep
Exactly.
Why does it have to be one or the other? There are black men that are up to the standards that she prefers. Her complaint is that there just isn’t enough of them. We as a society should strive for more ownership of property, land and businesses. We should have more conversations about building generational wealth and not living paycheck to paycheck. The sad thing is most of us are intimidated by this kind of life.
I gotta applaud everybody on this
episode on the Breakfast Club for sitting through this entire conversation
Me TOO- totally agree
Maturity was real in this moment cause I AINT GOT IT.....
Yes. Because I would have left. Envy gets on my nerves.
Haha so y out would leave a conversation because you didn’t hear what you want ? Very mature lol
@@Forsaken860 Hahaha!
As a black man shes right alot of yall are not intelligent enough to understand where she's coming from instead yall emotional 🧠
broooo Dj envy got his name for a reason, eboni stood on her shii and she was right
We get our feelings hurt everyday by the people who want us to fail and stay at the bottom. Eboni wants us to not be complacent, I would rather hear and be hurt by the truth if it means I will reach MY highest skill set in life.
Some people need a gentler approach and some just need it straight no chaser. Whatever resonates with you to reach your highest skill set in life (I'm with Eboni).
Great comment. It’s a shame she even has to come and explain why to a bunch of people who will still disagree because they are mentally programmed to stay average!!
She’s a 🛌 🔧
Yeah, she wants that.... but then she's not a great motivational speaker if when she talks about her personal life, she's like he has to be a bus owner, not driver. That doesn't put her in a good light. Everybody wants to be rich, everybody likes the idea of marrying somebody rich. No need to suggest you are above somebody else.
@@Iloveswedes she didn't say she was above anyone else. she just doesn't want a bus driver. so what? it's her life.
Envy is always so emotional. In every argument, it’s always emotional.
And rude to guests or pouting
his behavior was horrid in this debate
Because he has a poor vocabulary and communication skills- when he can’t keep up he gets riled up.
How ? He barely spoke
@@f58534 look at his face and posture. Nonverbal is just as powerful as verbal.
Great interview by far hope you guys invite her back on the show .
Eboni is on point 100%.
Everyone has to enter somewhere in the workforce, however, you shouldn't end you work life in the same place you started. There are 24hrs. in a day, 8hrs. working, 8hrs. sleeping what about the other 8hrs.? What are you doing to excel? The excuse everyone wants to use is, "they can't afford to get educated in other skillsets". That's BS. There are platforms now where you can learn skills without spending $50k for a degree. Udemy, Skillshare, Coursera, TH-cam, and dozens of other inexpensive eLearning platforms where you can learn anything from coding, mechanics, music theory, and thousands of other skills.
Some of us get it, because didn't want to be "mediocre" so we've been through that journey to stop driving the bus, and become a career professional without having tens of thousands of dollars for degrees.
Keep spreading that message. People get triggered because they know they're not doing everything they could be doing to move up. So, instead of addressing it and doing the work they feel better when they point fingers finding fault in others who are doing better than themselves. Haters. ❤
She SPELLED IT OUT and they STILLLL CHOSE to be offended. What she is saying is as clear as a sunny Sunday morning
Exactly‼️‼️💯💯
Still offensive to call someone's job mediocre. That should be clear as day but obviously she doesn't get it
Clear as day. 💯
@@flame984 it's the truth. if you're offended deep inside you know you need to level up. it's actually good.
She *LIED* about the dictionary definition of *mediocre/mediocrity*
Here is what the Merriam-Webster says:

Did you know?
People interested in words always point out that mediocrity doesn't mean quite what its main root would indicate: Why doesn't it describe something that's right in the middle of the pack, exactly what you would expect? Instead the words mediocrity and mediocre always suggest disappointment. A mediocre play is one you wish you hadn't wasted an evening on, and the mediocre actor in it should probably find another profession. A person can even be called a mediocrity, though it isn't very nice and you'd never do it to his face.
“Your fiancé was white” had me dead
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Yea she need to explain that
She's onto something and people don't want to hear it because what she is saying is challenging them to get out of their comfort zone and work for and achieve what they deserve per their true capabilities and stop settling for what the country offers us..then and only then once we achieve success will we be truly free..and I agree with everything she said
Thanks Eboni for speaking your truth! These people still didn't get it. So sad!
This is why black women are the most single group of people in the world
She's not speaking the truth. She's giving a false narrative of bw doing well in society and that's not the case. They're the brokest and least married.
No....she's boujee and narcissistic....and miserable because she's older and coming to terms that she's going to die alone. That's what that is. She's 40 something years old and has to resort to using invetro fertilization to have a shot at having a baby because she can't get along with a man.....as in staying married.
This woman really went from "I won't date a regular bus driver" to "I'm trying to better the black community by pushing excellence." Okayyyyyy
It's called "covering your ass".
@@amarjo351 also excellent black men wouldn't be dealing with the foolishness of eboni anyway
Lol
@stephanie williams hell, middle class bm wouldn't deal with this shit either
@@amarjo351 She wouldn't be interested either. She's looking for an equal or greater earner, all while claiming she don't need no man for anything.
This WHOLE GROUP IS in THEIR FEELINGS. Ebony isn't lying about MEDIOCRE SKILLS. Everybody and their Momma can drive a bus, and NOTHING is bad about that. She's just saying that their is untapped potential that Black people are not groomed to be ASPIRING TOO. She just wants BLACK FOLK TO KNOW, that we can reach just as high as our White counterparts IF WE CHOOSE TO DO SO.
Everyone can’t be successful as my wife and I. If it wasn’t for my workers I wouldn’t be in the position I’m in. If you own a business you would know that, no one is mediocre.
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@@mr.logicandfactsunapologet4926 Sounds like you are unsuccessful with reading and comprehension.
@@imani6938 💯
@@imani6938 No sounds like you’re just a soap box talker and undoubtedly you don’t make 6 figures as a self employed person with employees or you would know it’s not even mathematically possible for everyone or even the majority to be in high earning positions even if they had the skills to do so. Because someone has to serve on the front lines, in lower management, etc. Otherwise the business couldn’t function where the top executives could even afford to pay themselves high income
Envy was so rude and he was adamant about his convictions but he needed to let her talk.
She is too educated for them to even grasp what she is trying to say, it's so sad
My mom didn’t allow me to make C’s because she knew that wasn’t my best. However there were instances where I made a C and she saw how hard I tried and would accept it and encourage it. This is what Eboni is saying she wants Black people to work at their maximum ability and skill set!!!
but we not talking about black communities and everything economics lol its about LOVE and Money will not = Love & happiness forever. specially when money can be taken from you with a blink of an eye. thats what eboni doesnt understand and she is jus focused on people (social media) comments lol i understand too so i dont hate her but she focuses on way too many things that wont matter if your lover is dying of a diseases and moeny wont save them. shes not mentally or emotionally prepared for life with a partner yet.
Exactlyyy!
I’m getting C’s trust me I know how hard I do to get them C’s. I’m working 2 jobs taking care of my wife and kid while going to school.
Yet she dates white men.
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Mediocrity?? Working a regular job being called mediocre is wild
We are all mediocre to somebody.
We all mediocre in reality. We all average normal people. The top 1 and 5 percent are that for a reason. There is nothing wrong with average it’s actually the norm
@@sacresolace3669 She's 40 years old still looking for a man(clearly cant find anyone in "her tax bracket" and talked about buying sperm... At some point, you have to hold yourself accountable and know IT'S YOUR FAULT. Throwing insults to the same people that watch your shows and make you rich is the dumbest most arrogant thing
@@sacresolace3669 Mediocrity implies a negative though. Average doesn't and needs more context to be bad. No one is above dating someone average, but i'm sure nobody would EVER say they settle for mediocrity....
Working an average job and being an average person is by definition mediocre there’s nothing wrong with it but there’s nothing extraordinary either
This was a great interview.
Nobody in the world is good enough, she right we’re she needs to be and stay. It’s a blessing trust me.
Well I’ll say this. Iyanla did a great job of never answering Eboni’s question (cuz she didn’t have an answer) and shifting the attention elsewhere. 😂😂
Eboni is 1000% right in what she said. The whole point she made was basically bringing home a “C” when you KNOW you are capable of bringing home an “A”. If the C you bring home is your absolute best then that’s great and you are exceptional. BUT if you the accept the C just because it’s passing and “good enough” when you KNOW you can achieve that A THATS when you are average, mediocre, etc. Basically the black community can’t afford for everyone to be that definition of average/mediocre. We are dying and stuck because of it and refusal to acknowledge you are accepting to be average/mediocre just bc it’s hurts your feelings is a huge disadvantage to the black community and where we could be if we didn’t let those feelings get in the way of greatness. We as a community have to hold ourselves accountable for accepting less than what we are capable of just bc it’s good enough and being called out on it makes us feel bad.
So only C average students have working class jobs???? Boy, the need for a woman to be right never ceases to amaze me lmao. Yall blast Kevin Sameuls for his tone and delivery..... go back and look at that video and see just who much of a hypocrite yall be
Speak for yourself when you say we then maybe maybe lol
Yes I agree
Question: if the role was reversed and a man said what she said, would you feel the same way she does🤔🤔🤔🤔
@@demetreusross5150 absolutely not
This is why I love Eboni K. Williams. She always speaks truth to power! She was completely on point in this interview. 💗💚
She is done. No matter how hard she tries to explain it she is done .
What I got from Eboni is that many in the black community have the potential to maximize their skill set and go beyond what they’re willing to do at this moment. Unfortunately, many settle for average because it’s “good enough” but what we need to continue building is exceptionalism. She’s talking to the ones who knowingly do not want greater for themselves because they’re stuck under the ceiling of insecurity, white supremacy/“the white man is keeping me down”, and just pure laziness. But the part where we settle for “average” has been primed in our minds, and for some reason we accept that if we get crumbs, we are doing more than what other black people are able to do. We are capable of more fam and we should do everything in our power to break the ceilings in our mind to ascend to something greater.
Instead of settling for driving a bus, think about owning your own company one day. Instead of settling for manager of a store, aspire to manage a district and more.
This is all about the growth mindset. We can’t have growth if we continue to make excuses for not being successful. That’s not what our ancestors did during the civil rights era. They worked their asses off for a greater future FOR US! Communities like Black Wall Street were created by them. The goal of civil rights was so that we can rebuild that again without it being burned to the ground without repercussions. We need to take full advantage of every window of opportunity to excel and build greater for us.
And additionally, she refuses to accept mediocrity, and she refuses to accept that for her future partner.
Women can choose to get the well established man, but it’s also not a bad idea to choose the one with an active growth mindset. The one who is in action and building their future.
But black women have not and fall behind when finding quality partners to date.
John Henryism kills fathers everyday
@@letgo4331Because black women need to exercise, compete and stop accepting mediocricy from men in their communities
She fooled you too huh?! She got called out and then she talking this bullshit
I am a college graduate who stands on the shoulders of "essential workers." I don't consider those individuals average or mediocre. Those "average folks" taught me the importance of community and the importance of giving back. Let's always pursue excellence, but let's not put down blue-collar workers in the process.
She didn't put down any blue collar workers. She talked about the "job" itself.
Apparently, your university didn't teach you much in listening comprehension.
There skill sets are average doesn’t have anything to do with who/ how you were raised please separate the two that’s why you went to college so you could gain skills there were not average
She doesn’t have to date a bus driver
These mfers just want to be rite....she was talking some bs period...u made a good point my boi