1950: In 70 years we will have flying cars. 2020: We are more concerned with the race, equity and social justice enough to start unrest, rioting and the breakdown of the American experiment. Nice job America!!
@@danahan01 when an actuality people (AKA "progressives") are concerned about made up problems instead of real ones(like American infrastructure, the immigration crisis, advocating for groups that actually getting oppressed like Tibetans and Muslims in China) while solving these "problems" by burning down and looting the businesses of the race that they claim to support, getting mad at anyone on a social media platform for making a joke for having the wrong opinion, dividing America and ruining American cities (which is ultimately why the American experiment failed), and most importantly hating on white people and israelian people (for no reason) whilst claiming minority groups as Superior before belittling them all over again, instead of advancing as a species and taking the next steps to traveling space.(yeah the other timeline seems more appealing after the funny stuff you said)
They won't necessarily jump ahead ten years right away. Foreshadowing can be much more ambiguous than that. But totally agree with your statement that it was a great way to end the season. Great stuff!
A detail that I haven’t heard anyone talk about yet: in the shot over Shackleton crater at 3:43 you see dozens of lights, indicating that Jamestown and Zvezda are both much larger and possible are settlements with hundreds of people.
The expansions are likely things to make it more self-sufficient. Probably growhouses that use Hydroponics to grow food and supplement oxygen. You combine that with that 2nd nuclear reactor Jamestown base got after Sea Dragon 16 and this could spiral into further expansion.
You can see a small dim triangle some distance from Jamestown. I suspect that this is either a European, Japanese, Chinese, Indian base or a launchpad on the moon. Or maybe it’s just the place they go to to collect Sea Dragon cargo.
@@fork9001 I just thought of a possible plot line for season 3. Aleda gets sent to Jamestown to help build the Mars rocket being launched from lunar orbit; becoming the first Mexicana Astronaut
@@dragoninthewest1 That’s a great idea. She could be a “payload specialist” on a flight. Edit: She could be a payload specialist on the Marshal mission to set up things (base, lander, electrical systems etc., depends on what the show does).
Yeah pressure makes more advances because you have to work on stuff more urgently. Like how we got the COVID vaccine in a year, when previously the fastest a vaccine was ever produced and approved was 4 years.
Totally agree. As a general rule of thumb, every time there is a war, technology advances quickly. Basically, when governments need newer and better tech asap, they'll provide funding to anyone with a good idea. Outside of wartime though, most of those good ideas stay as just that....ideas
That and wasting all those years on the space shuttle which was just a low earth orbit toy. Had the space race continued we probably would have figured out how to be on the moon by the 80s or 90s. I know as a young kid in the 70s that's what was just assumed. We made it to the moon in under 7 years from when President Kennedy made his moon speech. The problem is that it was fueled by the space race. But is also showed what great things can be done very quickly when you have the motivation.
Healthy competition would of advance allot of things Too bad the soviets had to crumble Let the Chinese provoke us with wanting to own the space station
That depends on if she went to the CIA and the CIA potentially uses her to give the Russians bad information on purpose. Don’t know if your aware but it’s long been rumored Buran had issues on re-entry cause the CIA deliberately tweaked the design documents enough to create a fail point with the heart shield. Then deliberately left them out where a suspected Russian KGB operative could access them.
This also assumes that she becomes aware that she is the target / subject of a "Honey Trap" espionage operation. "Honey Traps" have been something that Russian intelligence agencies have considerable experience and success in execution.
@@jaytimmerman992 true but if your a government official who’s the least bit unsure chances are if you mention something like that to a presidential advisor, you’ll, definitely have a CIA official talking to you to see how they can turn this to their advantage. See the Soviets were good at “ honey traps”. But few could match the CIA for turning a “ bad situation “ into a huge advantage for them. That and good ole hard currency have ways of turning stuff your way
Hugely disappointing they went to the effort of setting up a what could have been a really interesting plot point then immediately step into the TARDIS
Most of them will be in their 50’s, so relax- Except for Karen and Ed. Ed will be in his 70’s, and Karen In her 60’s, so Ed is really the only old one.
@@ondrejsimek2561 By a 5th season, 6th for other original main characters- Most of them will be in their 50’s in season 3- Ed will be in his 70’s, and probably Molly too, but other than that, none of them are ‘old’.
So I guess this means the Soviet Union doesn't collapse in '91. Wonder if the show will explore other rising space powers (like China and private sector in our timeline) or keep the Soviet/USA duopoly...
The Soviet Union will eventually collapse its inevitable when your entire government is just a giant welfare system. Sooner or later they collapse, and the bigger they are the worse the collapse ends up
I doubt it, the Soviet Union collapsed because of an internal betrayal (just like Stalin feared) Even in 1991 the Soviet Union was still the second economic power only behind the USA, it's like thinking that the USA should have collapsed in 1929...
@@matthewcaughey8898 I disagree. The Soviets almost didn't collapse in our timeline. It is very plausible for them to continue. Look, most of what you're gonna argue about why they collapsed or why it was inevitable, isn't any less true for Russia now. The reasons for the collapse are quite complicated, but a more stable country that doesn't bankrupt itself in Afghanistan or leave tens of thousands of dead Soviet troops there, is a country that could definitely continue to hang on. That was one of the reasons for the reforms in the late 80's, which came too late in our timeline. To survive, they could even strengthen and form a more unified government, instead of being a group of "republics". This would have made them more stable, and believe me there was a lot of conversations about that in those closing days. It's possible the writers of this show are gonna go in that direction, but they might not either. Both options are equally plausible. And don't forget something like the USSR has already reformed with Russia leading it. They have their own economic union and Russia pretty much tells their neighbors what to do.
I never saw The expanse. I read that For all Mankind is maybe a prequel of it. I love so much For all Mankind should I watch The Expanse ? Is it good as F a M ?
I will try to change your mind here: In the Expanse, Epstein drive, which is basically a very efficient fusion engine, is only achieved in as late as 2202. If the space race continued on like in FAM, the invention of such fusion drive should be much sooner. Edit: Also, Pathfinder in FAM already achieved semi-SSTO, full SSTO is right around the corner, so the future spaceships in FAM timeline would likely follow a shuttle-like design, but ships in the Expanse follow a more rocket-like design, so space shuttles probably faced similar failures like in OTL
In season 5, there's an ad on the moon mentioning the historic Jamestown Base, so they literally do share the same timeline. The Martian does, too. There's an MCRN ship called the Mark Watney.
Well, the Martian Congressional Republic seems to grow of something like neo-USSR or its fusion with the modern China. Discipline, militarism and war-oriented economy, work for better future, big world-changing projects.
There's not many shows that I watch with eager anticipation, but this became one of them; a show you can't stop talking about. This final scene reaffirmed that sentiment.
if space race continued we'd be on europa now. mars manned mission would be seen the same way we see moon landing. elon would probably be talking about colonizing outside the solar system instead of mars
I'm getting the feeling that the underlying message of FAM is "We might wish for peace and even work for peace but, in the end, there is only room for one at the top."
Exactly like the title suggested "The Grey". Russian took over US lithium site, US tried to put nuclear weapons on the moon and first to kill people there. USSR is using Sergei and Margo to infiltrate NASA; despite both sides trying to appear peaceful.
Not really sure where you're getting that from, given that time and time again the goal of a united humanity is lauded. Season 3 takes this even further, with the united American/Soviet/Helios/DPRK team left on Mars.
It's actually kind of the opposite. More like: It's in our nature to fight and make war, but we can always do better and make peace. The whole heart of the show was in that scene where Dani quotes Star Trek: "We can admit that we're killers, but we're not going to kill today." That's why I love this show so much, and why the S2 finale holds such a place in my heart. We get to see two people be heroes, not by destroying their enemies, but by using brains and guts and risking their careers and lives for peace. Dani having the guts to disobey Houston and go ahead with the handshake, and Ed using brains to find a solution that didn't involve shooting down Buran. We love to glorify our war heroes when they kill our enemies- but I love that FAM shows us that sometimes it's more heroic to make peace, not war. It's fashionable now for "serious" shows to skew darker and more nihilistic. Optimism is not fashionable anymore. But this show, in classic RDM fashion, likes to always take us to the brink, warn us about what could happen if we listen to the devils on our shoulders, and then show us how to overcome that instinct and allow our better angels to prevail. To intentionally misquote X-Men: Peace is always an option.
People don't understand the need for the captions. The extra work is REALLY appreciated. Some of us are just hard of hearing and can't help it. We miss a lot.
@@pixel6698 I never mentioned morals at all, so point is irrelevant. It's pretty clear that she committed treason, regardless of her reasons. When she made the decision to leak that information, she had no idea what the longterm ramifications would be and if she did, that's even worse. The fact that it worked out in hindsight was good. However, she potentially put the lives of her family, friends and country in danger when she made that choice. And (ironically) she may suffer a similar fate as Wernher von Braun because of it.
This shows that Sergei Korolev tries to protect Margot but he got caught by the soviets and force him to call margot to call her and come to him, but he wished that she never come
@@Anton3055 wouldn’t take much to drop a message with a spy operating under deep cover to Margot to “ not come”. If you wanna warn someone there were ways to smuggle out a message
This should also demonstrate that some friendly contacts between nations, are really just a set- up to co- opt people and steal technology, in order that your nation can dominate. The Soviet totalitarian State intelligence agencies were notorious for doing this with almost anyone and anything.
Crushed the 2nd season this past week and can confirm this is an absolute gem of a show. With a finale which will shoots itself straight into the conversation of 'best tv finales ever'. The Grey is bar raising stuff. Boots on Mars
Them probably in 2020s: Yes!!! We have just landed the first man on Gamymede (moon of Jupiter) and thousands of people are living on the moon! We in 2020s: Oh man still can't get a moon base going :-(
Well bluntly because their is 0 public interest and 0 funding. The soviets had one big advantage : giving motivation We accomplished more, faster with far less then than now. We have had accomplishents but they have trinkled in slowly... That being said if China or India put a flag on the moon uncle sam will probably be furious and we will have a second race Or if a big ressource crisis happens, too
well by that time I expected the Jamestown base to have expanded. remember those schematics of the base with future expansion capablities? besides, the next generation of shuttles with NERVA engine like Pathfinder without the need for a launch platform, just made it easier for them for space travel and go to the moon a lot easier.
its the US that would be the first to set foot on Mars in Season 3, they already lost the moon start and cannot lost anymore high ground. With that NERVA engine they should be the first on Mars🙏🏽🙏🏽
No, at least doesn’t seems, that man in the end is American, his boot is actual copy (didn’t find differences) of the boot cosmonauts were wearing during intervention on Jamestown
@@MechanicheskiyBobyor yes but the font, that font is in the NASA Style, and even, the song playing is American, they never play an American song when if it’s with the soviets, so I think it’s the Americans
@@hazri8758 what if John Lennon living Butterfly Effects into a number of other artists/ celebrities surviving for a myriad of reasons. John Lennon being bisexual himself goes on to promotes LGBT acceptance in the 1980s and 1990s. The near death experience made him to pursue more actively his humanitarian work. Add to the fact that Reagan would be getting out in 84, you could see the survival of many AIDS victims possibly Freddie Mercury.
I predict that shortly after the completion of Clavius moonbase a magnetic anomaly will be discovered in Tycho crater. You all know what happens after that.
"No, I don't have a gun"... 😳😳😳I don't know if it was on purpose; but it perfectly describes the situation of Danielle and Kuznetsov at the end of the ninth episode of the third season🤯🤯🤯. Congratulations to the producers and writers of this amazing series👏👏👏.
Totally agree. I ve never heard about this show and I saw something about it on Tiktok like 2 weeks ago. I searched about it on streaming and I just finished season 2. If it wasnt only on AppleTV it would be VERY popular.
I liked the first season, absolutely hated the second one - and I ain't watching the 3rd. In the first season they had some respect for hard science and realism, in the second season not only was it all destroyed but the actual storytelling was so bad, that at points show went against what it just established earlier in the very same episode. It was a shitfest. So when you say "the best show of the last decade" I have no idea what you have watched other than it. The writing is down right terrible - no two ways about it. That, paired with terrible science and effects - I am surprised how and why it even got renewed for season 3. I mean, season 1 was review bombed for being "woke fest" with "terrible writing", which it was not. Season 2 was in fact all that, and it got 100% on Rotten... yeah, I smell a rat and one thick envelope full of cash delivered to certain people. If only they used that money to pay for the half decent writers...
@@hazri8758 Truly. It’s definitely some creative writing, but I really just dislike the character. Never really liked her, since I just saw her as being jealous about Mrs. Stevens, and as soon as I start to feel bad for her near the end of season 1, season 2 and begin to respect her; she takes a turn for the worse and fucks her late best friend’s son….. I mean, W. T. F.
@@valerie80yearsago90 same with me. I can understand if she's mad because she hates to be worried about Ed, but she doesn't need to take it that way. Now I feel really sorry for Ed. First, his wife slept with someone. Second, his best buddy died. Actually dropped some tears during the funeral scene 💔 It's getting worse when I remember that his wife slept with his buddy's son.. That's just messed up, Karen.
@@hazri8758 no kidding… I think Ed might just be my favorite character from any TV series. Poor guy dealt with his son dying while he was on the moon, does all these great things & thought all of it manages to stay loyal to his wife. Then out of nowhere this psycho woman decides to stab the poor guy in the back like that. Truly, a shame.
@@valerie80yearsago90 you both described all my feelings about Ed and Karen. Just finished the season 2 right now and I feel so bad for Ed. Best character for me, he s strong because everything is against him.
What if this show is a backdoor pilot for a BSG sequel. With the rapid advancement of technology in this timeline, I would assume there be a rise in Robotic technology.
@@samusaran11 this is cool. Hope they drop a small easter egg from the bsg finale. Afterall, the colony arrived on earth and in that timelapse we see ron moore with a nat geo mentioning celestial chariots (raptors)...
I agree, although I do feel that we're on the verge of a new era of space exploration now that private companies are starting to develop their own rockets :)
А кое-где попадались и фразы вообще без акцента. Особенно впечатлили вполне корректные эскизы (на русском) стыковочного узла Союза-Аполлона и вообще адекватные надписи, за исключением "Лучший Россия. Правда" в названии газеты в блоке новостей альтернативного мира.
Watching the last episode of Season 2: Well, I wonder who going to get to Mars? I can't wait for next season to see what happens. Watches Season 3, Episode 9: Well, shit.
Doesn’t seems, that man in the end is American, his boot is actual copy (didn’t find differences) of the boot cosmonauts were wearing during intervention on Jamestown
@@TheLongasen we didn’t see anything about Chinese and privats, so it’s very small possibility, that they could develop for Mars travel in less than 10years
this reminds me from that end scene in men in black (was it MIB 1 or 2?) where the world just keeps zooming out until it shows that our universe are just some marbles that two aliens are playing with.
If the Challenger Accident didn't happen in the alternate timeline, how would the "Teacher In Space Project" with Christa McAuliffe and Barbara Morgan have played out?
In the alternate timeline the ''teacher in space project'' probably didn't happen. The whole reason NASA did that project was to try capture the public's interest in space again (and as a result get more funding), but in the For All Mankind timeline, public interest didn't seem to waver and NASA wasn't under-funded as it is these days.
@@bebekalo5029 Ah disagree, if the colonisation of the moon continues, then some kind of private sector will eventually emerge (if anything it should happen faster in this timeline, cause of all the tech developed) This would especially be true if NASA/USSR focus is now Mars.
In the second season it’s also stated that NASA is trying to pay for its own missions so that they don’t need congress is support for they’re decisions
The show was renewed for two seasons after S1, so yes, there will be a third season. As for the possibility of Dr. Ride doing prison time, look on the bright side: she might have Margo as a cellmate!
Wasn't really a good look for the pioneering Soviets that they made a carbon copy of Enterprise & years later were still struggling to get it off the ground
@@ethanmcfarland8240 Nirvana - *_Come As You Are_* Lyrics: Come as you are, as you were As I want you to be As a friend, as a friend As an old enemy Take your time, hurry up Choice is yours, don't be late Take a rest as a friend As an old Memoria, memoria Memoria, memoria Come doused in mud, soaked in bleach As I want you to be As a trend, as a friend As an old Memoria, memoria Memoria, memoria And I swear that I don't have a gun No, I don't have a gun No, I don't have a gun Memoria, memoria Memoria
Does anyone in the comments speak Russian and can translate exactly what is said? I got that "Burana" was mentioned which probably refers to Margo giving the info regarding O-rings.
Russian: “Good, very good.” Sergei: “She will not come” Russian: “We will see, She already opened the door with Buran; by the time she realizes she is working for us, it will already be too late” @HeysemberthKingdom-Brunel
Lol the real Buran did not have them as it took off on an Energia launch vehicle without boosters and a side tank and, unlike a real shuttle, could fly to the moon.
I foresee a common effort between USA and Russia to get humans to Mars, and of course the first 5 episodes of the third season on both governments arguing on whether it's an american or a russian the first one to set foot on Mars
Alternate 1995: Manned mission to Mars.
Actual 2021: Small drone briefly flies on Mars.
1950: In 70 years we will have flying cars.
2020: We are more concerned with the race, equity and social justice enough to start unrest, rioting and the breakdown of the American experiment. Nice job America!!
@@danahan01 when an actuality people (AKA "progressives") are concerned about made up problems instead of real ones(like American infrastructure, the immigration crisis, advocating for groups that actually getting oppressed like Tibetans and Muslims in China) while solving these "problems" by burning down and looting the businesses of the race that they claim to support, getting mad at anyone on a social media platform for making a joke for having the wrong opinion, dividing America and ruining American cities (which is ultimately why the American experiment failed), and most importantly hating on white people and israelian people (for no reason) whilst claiming minority groups as Superior before belittling them all over again, instead of advancing as a species and taking the next steps to traveling space.(yeah the other timeline seems more appealing after the funny stuff you said)
@@danahan01 Ah, of course the cons brought in their politics to a fucking alternate history space show's ending comment section
@@pixel6698 You sound like someone upset that the Jews keep complaining about the Nazis.
Good God this comment section is so unknowingly stupid.
Wow! What a way to end a season. A time jump of a decade AND also showing that Moon is now old news in the alternate 1990s.
They won't necessarily jump ahead ten years right away. Foreshadowing can be much more ambiguous than that. But totally agree with your statement that it was a great way to end the season. Great stuff!
I don't think there is a time jump
@@davidcarter2720 the end credits scene of ep. 10 of season one only appeared after SIX EPISODES into the new season
Good God this comment section is collectively so unbelievably stupid.
@@superbananas7792 agreed
A detail that I haven’t heard anyone talk about yet: in the shot over Shackleton crater at 3:43 you see dozens of lights, indicating that Jamestown and Zvezda are both much larger and possible are settlements with hundreds of people.
The expansions are likely things to make it more self-sufficient. Probably growhouses that use Hydroponics to grow food and supplement oxygen. You combine that with that 2nd nuclear reactor Jamestown base got after Sea Dragon 16 and this could spiral into further expansion.
You can see a small dim triangle some distance from Jamestown. I suspect that this is either a European, Japanese, Chinese, Indian base or a launchpad on the moon. Or maybe it’s just the place they go to to collect Sea Dragon cargo.
@@fork9001 I just thought of a possible plot line for season 3. Aleda gets sent to Jamestown to help build the Mars rocket being launched from lunar orbit; becoming the first Mexicana Astronaut
@@dragoninthewest1 That’s a great idea. She could be a “payload specialist” on a flight.
Edit: She could be a payload specialist on the Marshal mission to set up things (base, lander, electrical systems etc., depends on what the show does).
@@dragoninthewest1 SPOILERS FOR S3
How tf did you get that right
They even got reasonably sized cellphone in 1989. This timeline is too advanced.
Ya lol
No. It’s perfect. Technology kept on evolving during this timeline of both powers had moon bases and shuttles
@@williamerazo3921 ya cool
Probably It's communication device which only built for NASA personnel for quicker communication than a commercial cellphone.
@@c-028 so it still cool
This means that if the space race had continued, technological advances as we know them today would have been discovered much earlier.
Yeah pressure makes more advances because you have to work on stuff more urgently. Like how we got the COVID vaccine in a year, when previously the fastest a vaccine was ever produced and approved was 4 years.
Totally agree. As a general rule of thumb, every time there is a war, technology advances quickly. Basically, when governments need newer and better tech asap, they'll provide funding to anyone with a good idea. Outside of wartime though, most of those good ideas stay as just that....ideas
That and wasting all those years on the space shuttle which was just a low earth orbit toy. Had the space race continued we probably would have figured out how to be on the moon by the 80s or 90s. I know as a young kid in the 70s that's what was just assumed. We made it to the moon in under 7 years from when President Kennedy made his moon speech. The problem is that it was fueled by the space race. But is also showed what great things can be done very quickly when you have the motivation.
@@ravilcn You mean Mars by the 80S OR 90S.
Healthy competition would of advance allot of things
Too bad the soviets had to crumble
Let the Chinese provoke us with wanting to own the space station
Margo will probably be 5 years into her 30 year espionage jail sentence by the time series three starts
That depends on if she went to the CIA and the CIA potentially uses her to give the Russians bad information on purpose. Don’t know if your aware but it’s long been rumored Buran had issues on re-entry cause the CIA deliberately tweaked the design documents enough to create a fail point with the heart shield. Then deliberately left them out where a suspected Russian KGB operative could access them.
This also assumes that she becomes aware that she is the target / subject of a "Honey Trap" espionage operation. "Honey Traps" have been something that Russian intelligence agencies have considerable experience and success in execution.
@@jaytimmerman992 true but if your a government official who’s the least bit unsure chances are if you mention something like that to a presidential advisor, you’ll, definitely have a CIA official talking to you to see how they can turn this to their advantage. See the Soviets were good at “ honey traps”. But few could match the CIA for turning a “ bad situation “ into a huge advantage for them. That and good ole hard currency have ways of turning stuff your way
Hugely disappointing they went to the effort of setting up a what could have been a really interesting plot point then immediately step into the TARDIS
Execution actually.
Twist: The astronaut is Cobain.
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BIGGER TWIST: the cosmonaut is Cobain.
Still bigger twist: they find a monolith in Jupiter.
Even bigger twist! Dave Grohl didn't survive the 90's. He overdosed in 1994 and the Foo Fighters never came to exist.
@@kaziu312 lol
He brought shotgun with him to Mars...
Plot twist: they go to Mars and they find Musk there waiting for them with a teleportation device and a home made space suit.
the worst part about another time jump is that all of our favorite characters will be old
Or already non-existent.
It also means new characters coming through.
@@Sovereign01 I dun like the two new guys who was with ed at the end
Most of them will be in their 50’s, so relax- Except for Karen and Ed. Ed will be in his 70’s, and Karen In her 60’s, so Ed is really the only old one.
@@ondrejsimek2561 By a 5th season, 6th for other original main characters- Most of them will be in their 50’s in season 3- Ed will be in his 70’s, and probably Molly too, but other than that, none of them are ‘old’.
alternate:1990s MARS HECK YEA!
Actual: 2030s WTH WHY SO LONG!
Maybe 2026 or 2029. According to Elon Musk
@@Alderite 2024
@@nocturnalrecluse1216 impossible
@@bebekalo5029 That's set date.
@@nocturnalrecluse1216 And where did you get this information?
Sick ending. This show keeps getting better.
So I guess this means the Soviet Union doesn't collapse in '91.
Wonder if the show will explore other rising space powers (like China and private sector in our timeline) or keep the Soviet/USA duopoly...
The Soviet Union will eventually collapse its inevitable when your entire government is just a giant welfare system. Sooner or later they collapse, and the bigger they are the worse the collapse ends up
I doubt it, the Soviet Union collapsed because of an internal betrayal (just like Stalin feared)
Even in 1991 the Soviet Union was still the second economic power only behind the USA, it's like thinking that the USA should have collapsed in 1929...
@@matthewcaughey8898 they might have pulled china.
Also Europe and Japan is strong contender.
@@matthewcaughey8898 I disagree. The Soviets almost didn't collapse in our timeline. It is very plausible for them to continue. Look, most of what you're gonna argue about why they collapsed or why it was inevitable, isn't any less true for Russia now. The reasons for the collapse are quite complicated, but a more stable country that doesn't bankrupt itself in Afghanistan or leave tens of thousands of dead Soviet troops there, is a country that could definitely continue to hang on. That was one of the reasons for the reforms in the late 80's, which came too late in our timeline. To survive, they could even strengthen and form a more unified government, instead of being a group of "republics". This would have made them more stable, and believe me there was a lot of conversations about that in those closing days.
It's possible the writers of this show are gonna go in that direction, but they might not either. Both options are equally plausible. And don't forget something like the USSR has already reformed with Russia leading it. They have their own economic union and Russia pretty much tells their neighbors what to do.
For all Mankind and The Expanse share the same timeline. You can't change my mind.
I never saw The expanse. I read that For all Mankind is maybe a prequel of it. I love so much For all Mankind should I watch The Expanse ? Is it good as F a M ?
I will try to change your mind here: In the Expanse, Epstein drive, which is basically a very efficient fusion engine, is only achieved in as late as 2202. If the space race continued on like in FAM, the invention of such fusion drive should be much sooner.
Edit: Also, Pathfinder in FAM already achieved semi-SSTO, full SSTO is right around the corner, so the future spaceships in FAM timeline would likely follow a shuttle-like design, but ships in the Expanse follow a more rocket-like design, so space shuttles probably faced similar failures like in OTL
In season 5, there's an ad on the moon mentioning the historic Jamestown Base, so they literally do share the same timeline. The Martian does, too. There's an MCRN ship called the Mark Watney.
Well, the Martian Congressional Republic seems to grow of something like neo-USSR or its fusion with the modern China. Discipline, militarism and war-oriented economy, work for better future, big world-changing projects.
And unsurprisingly Star Trek alum Naren Shanker works on both shows. 😀
It was the first time I squeeled to the screen in a very long while. For all Mankind is awesome
There's not many shows that I watch with eager anticipation, but this became one of them; a show you can't stop talking about. This final scene reaffirmed that sentiment.
PERFECT SONG CHOICE! Whereas initially odd choice since '80s but end timestamp explains.
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The song in the finale is a hit from the decade the following season is set, was the same in season 1
Song name and group, please?
@@bruceheiman6286 Come As You Are- Nirvana
mars does feel so 90's
Rip and tear
if space race continued we'd be on europa now. mars manned mission would be seen the same way we see moon landing. elon would probably be talking about colonizing outside the solar system instead of mars
So was wondering why they were playing nirvana in 1983 and then I saw “1995” and nearly died
It show time moving ahead.
@@mackermaldrill2656 no shit
@@mackermaldrill2656 wow I didn't realize that at all
I like how they play with the timeline/fiction/reality. Perfect !
That transition from earth to Mars was SMOOTH
I'm getting the feeling that the underlying message of FAM is "We might wish for peace and even work for peace but, in the end, there is only room for one at the top."
I got more of a peaceful competition drives innovation from it
It's always "Wish for Peace, Hope for Neutrality, Plan for War."
Exactly like the title suggested "The Grey".
Russian took over US lithium site, US tried to put nuclear weapons on the moon and first to kill people there. USSR is using Sergei and Margo to infiltrate NASA; despite both sides trying to appear peaceful.
Not really sure where you're getting that from, given that time and time again the goal of a united humanity is lauded. Season 3 takes this even further, with the united American/Soviet/Helios/DPRK team left on Mars.
It's actually kind of the opposite. More like: It's in our nature to fight and make war, but we can always do better and make peace. The whole heart of the show was in that scene where Dani quotes Star Trek: "We can admit that we're killers, but we're not going to kill today."
That's why I love this show so much, and why the S2 finale holds such a place in my heart. We get to see two people be heroes, not by destroying their enemies, but by using brains and guts and risking their careers and lives for peace. Dani having the guts to disobey Houston and go ahead with the handshake, and Ed using brains to find a solution that didn't involve shooting down Buran. We love to glorify our war heroes when they kill our enemies- but I love that FAM shows us that sometimes it's more heroic to make peace, not war.
It's fashionable now for "serious" shows to skew darker and more nihilistic. Optimism is not fashionable anymore. But this show, in classic RDM fashion, likes to always take us to the brink, warn us about what could happen if we listen to the devils on our shoulders, and then show us how to overcome that instinct and allow our better angels to prevail. To intentionally misquote X-Men: Peace is always an option.
Thanks man, For the captions, now I can understand the show better
No Problem!
People don't understand the need for the captions. The extra work is REALLY appreciated. Some of us are just hard of hearing and can't help it. We miss a lot.
Them cheeky soviets trying to make Margo betray her country. How dare they.
Technically speaking, she already has.
@@plo617 How? I don't see how saving lives of innocent people is being a traitor.
@@pixel6698 How? She gave away top secret information to America's open enemy, even after specifically being told not to. That's how.
@@plo617 I don't consider saving innocent lives morally wrong.
@@pixel6698 I never mentioned morals at all, so point is irrelevant. It's pretty clear that she committed treason, regardless of her reasons. When she made the decision to leak that information, she had no idea what the longterm ramifications would be and if she did, that's even worse. The fact that it worked out in hindsight was good. However, she potentially put the lives of her family, friends and country in danger when she made that choice. And (ironically) she may suffer a similar fate as Wernher von Braun because of it.
The soviets own Mars they called it the “Red planet “.
Mars is soviet planet lol
"Our Planet"
@@tamtamich4 its ironic how in our reality soviets did more missions to venus than any other planets in the solar system.
This shows that Sergei Korolev tries to protect Margot but he got caught by the soviets and force him to call margot to call her and come to him, but he wished that she never come
That's not Sergei Korolev though, Sergei Korolev was the old russian who had a chat with Dani when she was in the Soviet Union, this is Sergei Nikulov
@@Anton3055 wouldn’t take much to drop a message with a spy operating under deep cover to Margot to “ not come”. If you wanna warn someone there were ways to smuggle out a message
This should also demonstrate that some friendly contacts between nations, are really just a set- up to co- opt people and steal technology, in order that your nation can dominate. The Soviet totalitarian State intelligence agencies were notorious for doing this with almost anyone and anything.
@@jaytimmerman992
Agree, but what is that mean that she opened the door for buran?
@@Anton3055 Oh, that _was_ Korolev? Neat.
Crushed the 2nd season this past week and can confirm this is an absolute gem of a show.
With a finale which will shoots itself straight into the conversation of 'best tv finales ever'.
The Grey is bar raising stuff.
Boots on Mars
Those last scenes of each season throwing future tunes in is a nice thing.
Wow. Dude, Thanks for adding the Russian Translation subtitles! Adds a lot of missing context! Cheers! Onward to Season 3 LETS GOOOOOO
No problem!
Did I miss something here? I watched it twice and didn't see any Russian translations
@@SonnyDlicious In this Video if you turn on Subtitles they've set it so the Russian has English subtitles, they aren't there in the original
Them probably in 2020s: Yes!!! We have just landed the first man on Gamymede (moon of Jupiter) and thousands of people are living on the moon!
We in 2020s: Oh man still can't get a moon base going :-(
Well bluntly because their is 0 public interest and 0 funding.
The soviets had one big advantage : giving motivation
We accomplished more, faster with far less then than now. We have had accomplishents but they have trinkled in slowly...
That being said if China or India put a flag on the moon uncle sam will probably be furious and we will have a second race
Or if a big ressource crisis happens, too
3:43 So we will see a Moon village in S3. Can't wait !
isn't that just the russian and the american moon base around the shackelton crater?
@@aaromat it seems just a biiiittt too close
Deez nuts
well by that time I expected the Jamestown base to have expanded. remember those schematics of the base with future expansion capablities?
besides, the next generation of shuttles with NERVA engine like Pathfinder without the need for a launch platform, just made it easier for them for space travel and go to the moon a lot easier.
@@topnotch97 I don't remember seeing the schematics. In which episode can I see them ?
its the US that would be the first to set foot on Mars in Season 3, they already lost the moon start and cannot lost anymore high ground. With that NERVA engine they should be the first on Mars🙏🏽🙏🏽
No, at least doesn’t seems, that man in the end is American, his boot is actual copy (didn’t find differences) of the boot cosmonauts were wearing during intervention on Jamestown
@@MechanicheskiyBobyor yes but the font, that font is in the NASA Style, and even, the song playing is American, they never play an American song when if it’s with the soviets, so I think it’s the Americans
@@Ryotenian7826 they did actually
@@MechanicheskiyBobyor That's the whole thing, they are keeping us in suspense to see who actually landed on Mars first. I can't wait until season 3.
wildcard it’s the swiss
Wikipedia in this timeline might be very interesting.
Kurt Cobain will probably be alive in the series alternate timeline.
As long as Courteney Love isn't in the picture, Kurt will be fine.
Well, John Lennon is still alive, so..
@@hazri8758 what if John Lennon living Butterfly Effects into a number of other artists/ celebrities surviving for a myriad of reasons. John Lennon being bisexual himself goes on to promotes LGBT acceptance in the 1980s and 1990s. The near death experience made him to pursue more actively his humanitarian work. Add to the fact that Reagan would be getting out in 84, you could see the survival of many AIDS victims possibly Freddie Mercury.
At this point they're making me wish the Soviets did succeed
yeah, the soviets had plans to build big ass space bases and colonies on the moon by 2015
All hail Gorbachev. Successful Gorbachev
You really think it'd be like in this sci fi series?
@@sanag8689 Bruh the USSR was already broke. Anymore and it was the end of all of Russia
@@marcysss93 to be honest Yes
Fun fact: Actor playing Sergey role is in fact a pole, Piotr Adamczyk.
Świetna rola moim zdaniem.
Pole?
@@mehgenboye3665 Man from Poland
No i co z tego?
He is slav after all, seems logical choice
I loved how they had Come As You Are in the ending.
Which steals the riff from "80s" by Killing Joke.
I predict that shortly after the completion of Clavius moonbase a magnetic anomaly will be discovered in Tycho crater. You all know what happens after that.
Deez nuts
My god... it’s full of stars...
@@DeltaDanner Yeah, that was my way of transitioning things into the Arthur C. Clarke / Stanley Kubrick timeline.
Haha then it will escalate to the rise of Lucifer and the life on Europa😉 2010 and 2061 are my favorites...
Moon’s haunted
"No, I don't have a gun"... 😳😳😳I don't know if it was on purpose; but it perfectly describes the situation of Danielle and Kuznetsov at the end of the ninth episode of the third season🤯🤯🤯. Congratulations to the producers and writers of this amazing series👏👏👏.
alternate 1995: WE'RE ON MARS B******
reality 2021: *sad noise*
Thank you for the caption my friend
This is hand down the best show of te last decade. It would be the next Breaking Bad #1 show in the country if it wasn't on AppleTV
Totally agree. I ve never heard about this show and I saw something about it on Tiktok like 2 weeks ago. I searched about it on streaming and I just finished season 2. If it wasnt only on AppleTV it would be VERY popular.
I liked the first season, absolutely hated the second one - and I ain't watching the 3rd. In the first season they had some respect for hard science and realism, in the second season not only was it all destroyed but the actual storytelling was so bad, that at points show went against what it just established earlier in the very same episode. It was a shitfest.
So when you say "the best show of the last decade" I have no idea what you have watched other than it. The writing is down right terrible - no two ways about it. That, paired with terrible science and effects - I am surprised how and why it even got renewed for season 3.
I mean, season 1 was review bombed for being "woke fest" with "terrible writing", which it was not. Season 2 was in fact all that, and it got 100% on Rotten... yeah, I smell a rat and one thick envelope full of cash delivered to certain people.
If only they used that money to pay for the half decent writers...
**screams in north korean**
I like that they left it ambiguous as to if that's an astronaut or a cosmonaut.
after the end of season 3 this makes alot more sense.
When you realize the camera isn’t heading to the moon but PAST it
*pure hype*
1990s baby. Lets Gooooooo!!
I really hope it’s Ed stepping on Mars & Karen realizes how badly she screwed up and lives out her days being miserable.
I mean, with Danny? God, that's her late son's best friend..
@@hazri8758 Truly. It’s definitely some creative writing, but I really just dislike the character. Never really liked her, since I just saw her as being jealous about Mrs. Stevens, and as soon as I start to feel bad for her near the end of season 1, season 2 and begin to respect her; she takes a turn for the worse and fucks her late best friend’s son….. I mean, W. T. F.
@@valerie80yearsago90 same with me. I can understand if she's mad because she hates to be worried about Ed, but she doesn't need to take it that way. Now I feel really sorry for Ed. First, his wife slept with someone. Second, his best buddy died. Actually dropped some tears during the funeral scene 💔
It's getting worse when I remember that his wife slept with his buddy's son.. That's just messed up, Karen.
@@hazri8758 no kidding… I think Ed might just be my favorite character from any TV series. Poor guy dealt with his son dying while he was on the moon, does all these great things & thought all of it manages to stay loyal to his wife. Then out of nowhere this psycho woman decides to stab the poor guy in the back like that. Truly, a shame.
@@valerie80yearsago90 you both described all my feelings about Ed and Karen. Just finished the season 2 right now and I feel so bad for Ed. Best character for me, he s strong because everything is against him.
Every time someone asks "What's that song?" I die a little inside.
Too bad you're so small-minded to think that everyone has the exact same taste in music as you do.
@@remo687 lmfao my comment went right over your Gen Z head...
@@johnroscoe2406 boom you just roasted that dude! 🔥
@@johnroscoe2406 bro I laughed so hard thank you !
@@johnroscoe2406 damn didnt need to burn him like that
Battlestar Galactica Season 3 finale vibes...
exactly
Oh no.
What if this show is a backdoor pilot for a BSG sequel. With the rapid advancement of technology in this timeline, I would assume there be a rise in Robotic technology.
Is Kara gonna come back in a pristene MkII Viper?
@@samusaran11 this is cool. Hope they drop a small easter egg from the bsg finale. Afterall, the colony arrived on earth and in that timelapse we see ron moore with a nat geo mentioning celestial chariots (raptors)...
It really is a bummer that after the moon landing space exploration took such a back seat in our reality.
But what about the exiting and cool missions to low earth orbit like...satellites and uuuhhhh...more satellites. Can we just go to mars already?
I agree, although I do feel that we're on the verge of a new era of space exploration now that private companies are starting to develop their own rockets :)
@@gizfpv even so... it just... doesn't feel the same. Its like, oh cool, we made it to Mars! Here's an advertisement we are leaving on Mars forever
I fucking love Nirvana so hearing it play in this show was awesome!!
as a person from Russia, I want to say that the actors speak Russian well with an American accent)
А кое-где попадались и фразы вообще без акцента. Особенно впечатлили вполне корректные эскизы (на русском) стыковочного узла Союза-Аполлона и вообще адекватные надписи, за исключением "Лучший Россия. Правда" в названии газеты в блоке новостей альтернативного мира.
Such a awesome piece, along with the song this was just a perfect ending to the season. Absolutely love this show and its originality.
Still waiting for them to find the monolith
First i think - ha, what a simp!
But then i see he a good comrade.
I hope in Season 3 there's a little scene like Mars astronauts getting a fan letter from a certain South African young man
Watching the last episode of Season 2: Well, I wonder who going to get to Mars? I can't wait for next season to see what happens.
Watches Season 3, Episode 9: Well, shit.
Damn. Tears for Fears to end the first season, and Nirvana to end the second? God damn, I love this series
This show is awesome. We’ve just reviewed it. Why is this series not better known?
Because only on AppleTV maybe.. I hear about it 2 weeks ago and just finished it on streaming 🥲
The way she says Sergei is like "sir gay"
Oh, Margo. And the world was so black &white when you visited Uncle von Braun.
Wow what an ending with Nirvana on the background shit I love this show
Could that astronaut on Mars, be Kelly Baldwin? she is going into the US naval academy
I’m calling it: It’s Kelly.
Called it wrong! DPRK
Doesn’t seems, that man in the end is American, his boot is actual copy (didn’t find differences) of the boot cosmonauts were wearing during intervention on Jamestown
Could be the Chinese or a private company astronaut maybe
@@TheLongasen we didn’t see anything about Chinese and privats, so it’s very small possibility, that they could develop for Mars travel in less than 10years
this reminds me from that end scene in men in black (was it MIB 1 or 2?) where the world just keeps zooming out until it shows that our universe are just some marbles that two aliens are playing with.
Holy shit that would be insane. Mars in the 90s
I love the fact that the person walking on Mars is the North Korean astronaut.
If the Challenger Accident didn't happen in the alternate timeline, how would the "Teacher In Space Project" with Christa McAuliffe and Barbara Morgan have played out?
In the alternate timeline the ''teacher in space project'' probably didn't happen. The whole reason NASA did that project was to try capture the public's interest in space again (and as a result get more funding), but in the For All Mankind timeline, public interest didn't seem to waver and NASA wasn't under-funded as it is these days.
I kinda want to see a young Elon Musk working for nasa and being a part of mars missions and maybe even suggesting an early falcon 9 or starship
Like a cameo that would be lit
Is he still a union-busting weirdo who has manufactured a 'hip' online persona for clout, because normal currency has become boring to him?
If NASA will have still endless amount of money in alternate 1995 (and it will), private space companies would be unnecessary
@@bebekalo5029 I agree, what i meant was if he was working for NASA and not Spacex as an engineer or scientist or something like that.
@@bebekalo5029
Ah disagree, if the colonisation of the moon continues, then some kind of private sector will eventually emerge (if anything it should happen faster in this timeline, cause of all the tech developed)
This would especially be true if NASA/USSR focus is now Mars.
Way to end a season. Can't wait to find out what song will tease season 4
Some popular song in the early 2010s
In this alternate timeline Kurt Cobain lives on!
I bet Phillip and Elizabeth from the Americans were involved.
This song hits different in this series
This must be a prequel to EXPANSE series !!!! 👍😆👍👏👏👏👏
I hope so!
This timeline is basically the space race if money ain't the problem
In the second season it’s also stated that NASA is trying to pay for its own missions so that they don’t need congress is support for they’re decisions
If there's a season 3, I hope they show Sally Ride doing prison time for pulling her gun on Ed.
The show was renewed for two seasons after S1, so yes, there will be a third season. As for the possibility of Dr. Ride doing prison time, look on the bright side: she might have Margo as a cellmate!
season 3 is being developed now and a fourth season has already been renewed
I'm sure that will happen right after Ed goes to prison for kidnapping and torturing a cosmonaut.
So JFKs grave has an Uchiha simbol at 3:08-3:10?
Epic final!!!!
Time to really turn the planet Red, comrades! I love how the whole show is the US just being overly competitive while the USSR is just chill
Well I mean the USSR did steal their mining site and then invaded their station + they launched Buran, a copy of the space shuttle etc.....
Wasn't really a good look for the pioneering Soviets that they made a carbon copy of Enterprise & years later were still struggling to get it off the ground
I've got the feeling that this show's 80s Will be like our late 90s.
Okey this clip is in the 90s so straight away they break out Kurt.
At least it’s not “I’m a barbie girl”
This is a job for the doomguy!
Actually turning into the Fallout timeline.
95 : Ed on Mars
2020 : Moon of Jupiter
2060 : Kepler !!!
Season 4 will be interesting to see if they mention spacex
@@jacobprittie2010
Yeah way too much butterflies for SpaceX to exist.
Whats the name of the song when the camera zooms out to mars?
Nirvana come as you are
Plot twist: it's an international Mars mission
What a classic song
What’s the song?
@@ethanmcfarland8240
Nirvana - *_Come As You Are_*
Lyrics:
Come as you are, as you were
As I want you to be
As a friend, as a friend
As an old enemy
Take your time, hurry up
Choice is yours, don't be late
Take a rest as a friend
As an old
Memoria, memoria
Memoria, memoria
Come doused in mud, soaked in bleach
As I want you to be
As a trend, as a friend
As an old
Memoria, memoria
Memoria, memoria
And I swear that I don't have a gun
No, I don't have a gun
No, I don't have a gun
Memoria, memoria
Memoria
I bet that Kurt Cobain doesn't kill himself in this alternate timeline.
Great idea to feature the Eternal Bay of Pigs Flame.
So great this Song
No you won't have a gun on Mars! Best thing on TV 2021>
good song choice for 90s Mars missions
Does anyone in the comments speak Russian and can translate exactly what is said?
I got that "Burana" was mentioned which probably refers to Margo giving the info regarding O-rings.
Russian: “Good, very good.”
Sergei: “She will not come”
Russian: “We will see, She already opened the door with Buran; by the time she realizes she is working for us, it will already be too late” @HeysemberthKingdom-Brunel
The close captions have the translation for the Russian speaking parts.
@@Jogeta5 Yes
Lol the real Buran did not have them as it took off on an Energia launch vehicle without boosters and a side tank and, unlike a real shuttle, could fly to the moon.
What's the song name again?
dudeee.... Nirvana Come as you are
I foresee a common effort between USA and Russia to get humans to Mars, and of course the first 5 episodes of the third season on both governments arguing on whether it's an american or a russian the first one to set foot on Mars
mars is redder than ever i see! THE SOLAR SOVIET UNION HAS BEGUN COMRADES!
From jfk q grave to Mars
2021 is rocken roll
Does anyone know the song being played
I found it. I knew it was nirvana
th-cam.com/video/vabnZ9-ex7o/w-d-xo.html
Darude - Sandstorm
2:20 music
I can't believe they used this song
Camera panns up ..
Sees a Red patch.. Flag.
Zoomed in its.... 5 RED STAR .not Hammer n Sickle..🤭🤣🤦♂️