The first time I heard the phrase Theocratic Warfare was at a regional Elders - MS meeting in San Antonio. I was a MS at the time, and I was shocked to hear them lay it out so plainly. They did say, directly, that we may at times have to deceive the authorities or others if they didn't deserve to know it. I decided that could also apply to elders and didn't feel bad about lying on my service reports after that
Thank you for another great video. When I read Crisis of Conscience my eyes were opened. We have been lied to about a lot! I pray more people wake up and get out of this destructive and hypocritical cult.
They say one thing to the public to be more friendly but push another idea to the members through talks and videos . There are some that take it to the extreme , but then they are commended for it and maybe even used as an example. Great work thank you ❤
I love how you have the self awareness to describe that nobody explicitly told you to lie, or that "theocratic warfare," isn't necessarily a commonly known doctrine as such, but rather a concept that is sometimes referred to by that euphemism. This precision is exactly what's needed for PIMQs. If they haven't heard of or experienced something exJWs talk about, they'll dismiss it out of hand. Some talk about things like "theocratic warfare," like it's something we frequently go over in watchtower studies. Your approach is better. It addresses the actual nature of this teaching up front.
Thank you! The video originated from this exact nitpick of mine lol. I don’t love when exJW’s talk about theocratic warfare as if it’s a frequently used internal JW term. It isn’t! But it is A THING that all JWs are made to understand
@@TheVillainOfTheYearIndeed! It's all a part of what the Society calls the "pure language". (I even remember attending a district assembly with that very theme.) Curiously, though, the Society is using that expression with less frequency in recent years.
Lying to just anyone is bad enough, but lying in the name of God, no matter what name he is called by, is like dragging His name through the mud. What makes it worse is that some people lie under oath to a court of law. That is called perjury, and it is a serious crime. It should be punished like any other crime. That is why God hates lying, as Proverbs 6:16-19 warns us. We are all guilty of lying from time to time, and I admit I am no exception. We should all stop lying to one another. Thank you for this eye-opening video.
@@vusimngomezulu2500 every single last one of them is lying. The Bible is a book written by men, that's somehow states that a dude who had to kill his own son because someone stole his apple is love fuck that shit.
I liked how you compared the shunning/disfellowshipping to the fair game practice from Scientology. We all were taught to lie to the public, like all good salesperson! I never consulted the questions section for my service, that was interesting.
I remember doing the same thing. Lying to people when telling the truth would make us(JWs) seem weirder than we were or make the religion look bad. One example was when I was asked by people why i didn't go to college, i said i could have but i didn't want to, not true. But I also used it on the elders when they asked about things in my life that I didn't consider to be there business.
Are we all going through the same thing with our families at the same time (the past 20 years😂😢)? Great video, Jake!🔥 There's a saying, "what's understood doesn't need to be explained." Thanks for explaining this to all the people who didn't grow up JW, so they can understand!✊🏽
When I walked away was 40 years ago. Since I am sinless, I divorced them. My family and all their friends can rot in paradise for all I care. They stole my youth. To hell with all of them. Hell is a useful word invented to express extreme anger.
Oh my goodness there’s so much to unpack here first of all. I just want to say that I thoroughly enjoy watching and listening to your videos every now and then when I need to remind myself just what the fuck now how did we get here 😂 because even though I’ve been out of “the truth” for close to seven years now, I find myself having breakdowns and just feeling like I’m living a broken version of what should’ve been life since both of my parents are still in. I remember as a kid probably around seven years old, and knocking on someone’s door with my mom and while my mom preached to them and we got invited in, I was interacting with the ladies’s daughter and I remember just flat out telling her that if her family didn’t turn into Jehovah’s Witness, they were gonna die because that’s pretty much what it came down to and my little child brain and I remember the little girl crying because I was so passionate about it. I’m pretty sure the little girl like sensed the vibes and, she ran off and told her mom and I remember the lady letting my mom finish up the pitch but then just never hearing back from her again and looking back about how I feel like those of us that were raised in this similar experience and our brains just all developed similar fucked up that is😅 I was talking to my partner the other day about how I feel like it’s one of the worst feelings in the world, watching the organization deny things that perhaps we’re not written in paper but sure as fuck we’re insinuated and the way that they just played everything down sometimes the pain is so complex and surreal. I feel like , the evil is superior.
If the followers can lie to protect the organization what stops the governing body from lying to the followers to "protect" the organization? But none of that really matters because most Jehovah's witnesses attend the meetings for the sense of community. It's evident now more than ever before that doctrine means very little to the followers
@@nomadicrecovery1586Absolutely! I remember not so many years ago when witnesses would be counselled against just going through the motions. Now, going through the motions is actually sanctioned by the Society. It's become the order of the day.
@@thomash.schwed3662 Yes! It sickens me watching my parents swallow everything hook and sinker😥😓 I have given up trying to steer them out. They of old age now, I have even thought about how they would completely break if they actually learnt the truth about their religion. Ignorance can be bliss.
I recall one debate with my mother about lying and how she was so proud to correct me that what she was doing is defined as “Theocratic Warfare,” NOT lying. 🙄 So glad I left long ago.
An elder from far abroad who was a youth friend of my father once had the public talk about higher education. He stated bible quotes like sadrach mesach and abednego who were taught in all wisdom of the chaldeans and also examples from brothers who used their talents for service. The local elders were furious. But they all had higher education! Because of this I never took education seriously, and have no diploma.
It’s one of the (many) fun places where their divine command theorist and virtue theorist morals come into conflict, and they have to pull some utilitarian shenanigans to get out of it.
This was really good brother . Very well laid out . This organization is harmful Any current JWs watching or reading the comments. Please understand you are being taught hurtful things, hate , and lies the proof is right here. I’m so happy I left never been happier then I am now. On the other side we go through things and need to fix our thinking and heal
Pimo jw myself and I agree with you. Their useless teaching made me want to put painful marks on myself as a reminder of how many times they ruined me mentally
@@KeithBryantOfficial If an elder is found walking out of a prostitute apartment, and says he went there to ask directions to scout the field service territory, there would still be a JC set up for him. But two Israelites arrive in a city and of all the places to go stay they choose a SW home, and I'm supposed to applaud their deeds? Can we just be honest and acknowledge it was two guys who finally got to Vegas and wanted to enjoy the freedoms their camp in the desert wasn't affording them, what with all the 600 laws in Leviticus? Geez.
The biggest lies were the ones we were told to tell ourselves. I found out a LOT of my family made up stories because "it must be true", and I later found out what really happened in the family was totally different to what they imagines. (In part, it was a trauma response to hide/not think of the old pain)
Witnesses are kind of hilarious about some stuff. They’ll claim they never said “xyz” and then have nothing to say when you show them “xyz” written down. It’s like, why are you defending a religion you don’t fully know?
Or, they'll say that "xyz" in print is a fake quote, doesn't exist (because they didn't actually look it up) or was inserted into the book/magazine by an apostate.* Ego and cognitive dissonance are powerful things. * I've actually had JWs use all three of these excuses with me when I show them WT quotes.
@@tini96 It's called "cognitive dissonance". In other words, in order to keep their beliefs intact, a JW chooses to disregard any information that shows those beliefs are not true.
@@thrumyeyesmt.6344 you should lodge a police report and have them charged, it is assult in the eyes of the law, let them prove how abhorrent they are.
excellent production and you helped me to see that we as former jw's were always lying to cover up the cultish ways of the cult....nicely brought out...i used to say at work that i was busy the nite of the christmas party....i was embarassed...so i lied...didnt tell them i was in a cult that demonized christmas
surviving question is sneaky. From what I understand there is teaching about resurrection (to get Bible studies during the 1000 yr); but in the question of what happens to those alive at the exact time of Armageddon yes the teaching is non JWs destroyed, like blown out matches. My interpretation of these is that a murderer who dies a few days ahead of Armageddon gets resurrection to have a chance to learn about Jehovah; whilst the week old baby on the day of Armagaddon gets permanent destruction.
“Leave it in Jehovah’s hands” or “ God is protecting His people” are common cliches used by them, but they feel the need to lie because, why? Because God isn’t stepping in to do anything. 🤨!!
Fantastic video. Your honesty adds credibility - e.g. at 19:15. Instead of making up or paraphrasing your parents' answer you say you can't remember. Small details like this matter.
I've noticed this as well. There was a time we didn't know what to do when other religious "worldy people" would greet us with "praise the Lord Jesus"😅 Typically you are supposed to reply with "Amen" but we were taught not to respond - which I thought was ridiculous!
Geoffrey Jackson’s, now infamous, « presumptuous » statement to the Royal Australian Commission was the most egregious example of theocratic warfare ever seen in public. I understand it shocked many jw believers
Wild.. how we, as ex members were just lead along with so much deceit by the leaders, and it keeps getting worse year after year. I felt so much cognitive dissonance back when i was active, and it was ALL for a reason..
I actually DID believe that only JWs would survive Armageddon and it really bothered me growing up. Every time we had a family thing with my Catholic relatives, I'd be really upset thinking about how they were not only all going to die, but I wasn't even going to be allowed to be sad about them dying because that would be like questioning Jehoprah's judgement in killing them at Armageddon. I also saw the really ghoulish behavior that a LOT, (in fairness, #NotAll), of JWs had towards WorldlyPeople™ that they regarded as irredeemable like progressives, gay people, avowed atheists, apostates, non-JW clergy, rude people at the door, etc etc. They would almost delight in the idea of these people getting their divine comeuppance. My cousin laughed at a major car crash in SF once because it was probably just a bunch of f-slurs that died, and that kind of attitude was rampant amongst JWs in my experience.
The thing about higher education is not uniform across the congs. I went to 2 that had many going to university. Several were MS’s. I also attended another where 2 MS’s were demoted because they did. And as WT is calling for doctors, techs of various kinds, I know of br’s that are getting degrees so they will be excepted to Bethel for special services. I also know a sister that is reproved because she is going to school to be one step down from a doctor. She was a pioneer and has 2 kids to support. So as the higher education mandate is not uniformly applied, perhaps this is why your JW comments vary.
Do they have the truth but they changed everything all the time,,, Holy Spirit wrote the Bible it doesn't change anything is perfect, we change it and add words to according to our doctrines or beliefs, not just JW's King James all the Bibles 🙏 truth doesn't change the Bible, 1 JW told me where the fastest changing religion in the world 🌍 and he was proud of that ❓ amazing imagination 🤔
what the wt never tells you is the story of rahab and abraham and the midvives they were not blessed for lying they were blessed because of their faith JEHOVAH DID NOT BLESS THEM FOR THEIR LYING AS THE WT WANTS YOU TO BELIEVE REMEMBER ABRAHAM FAILED TWICE HE LIED ABOUT HIS WIFE AND TRUSTED THE LIE TO SAVE HIM JEHOVAH HAD TO PROTECT HIM INSTEAD OF THE LIE PROTECTING HIM people lie because they trust the lie will save them from whomever is threatening them instead of putting their trust in Jehovah the God of truth
What are the differences between the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures and the King James Version Bible? Why is it called the Holy Scriptures and not the Bible???
I did a video on the NWT, if you scroll through my vids. But it is interesting that they insist on calling their translation “the holy scriptures” and not “the holy Bible.” Maybe another little way for them to be contrarian about everything?
Jackson saying they are elected by vote does not quite rebut the teaching that the spirit directs the choice They would say it’s THROUGH that body that the spirit works Which, if the spirit was doing the choosing, there is no reason it couldn’t be that process which is used But of course you can’t prove any of that So they get away with it Kind of like saying Jesus returned INVISIBLY Can’t disprove it so…..
Hmm I know what you’re saying, and I’m sure a JW could raise that objection, but I don’t agree. If Jesus selected members of the GB via holy spirit, there would be no need to vote. As far as I know, the GB has never so much as hinted that new members are appointed by vote-they always say they’re chosen by Holy Spirit. So either way, JWs are not being told “the whole truth”
It's bizarre watching people take seriously, and argue over a god the ancient Hebrews made up. It's like watching people argue over Zeus, or Rah trying to understand the will of an imaginary creature.
Pope Pius XII summarised the jw psychology in Humani Generis: "So it happens that men in such matters easily persuade themselves that what they would not like to be true is false or at least doubtful."
Interesting the way you put it. I never amounted to anything in the organization, but i had friends who were elders. Sometimes they would give public talks and make extremely harsh comments on the platform, (because it was in their outline from the society), and when i would ask them about it in private conversation, they always took a much softer tone. They went from being hard as stone on stage, to being soft as a pillow in one on one conversation. This bothered me. Was what they said on stage true, or was what they said in private true? It made me think that they didn't fully believe what they were teaching. What hypocrisy!
Have you read the Silo series? Sci fi series where an entire civilization resides inside a "silo" and are taught if you go outside it you'll die immediately.
P19:19... I was born in 3rd generation and I heard about theocratic warfare a lot... I left in 1985, when I was 17 years old. 😮😉 in Belgium 🇧🇪...and in Canada 🇨🇦 😳
Actually, and for context I’m a raised in longtime exjw, a HUGE lie is that an invisible deity exists who revealed himself to certain persons who were then inspired to record his (or its) will for all of humanity, and humans had better obey, or else 😂…
Ultimately it's the parents that tell the elders of crimes in thier family or towards thier kids. It's up to the parents to press charges. Nobody ever! Stops the parents from reporting crimes or ask them to not report crimes. Fact!
About the Rahab story, Jake, If an elder is found walking out of a SW's apartment, and says he went there to ask directions to scout the field service territory, there would still be a JC set up for him. But two Israelites arrive in a city and of all the places to go stay they choose a SW home, and I'm supposed to applaud their deeds? Can we just be honest and acknowledge it was two guys who finally got to Vegas and wanted to enjoy the freedoms their camp in the desert wasn't affording them, what with all the 600 laws in Leviticus? Geez.
Hi Jake, good video. Just wanted to mention a couple things. So witnesses do believe and have in print that “only baptized ones will be saved at Armageddon” meaning baptized Jdubs. That’s BEFORE and through the big A. When they say there will be a resurrection of the Righteous and UnRighteous - that is AFTER the big A. So each belief is for different periods of time. Hope that makes sense. Also you had Jade and Neeta confused I think. Just trying to help with accuracy, no hard feelings of any kind at all. All the best, keep it up!
1 John 3:10 "By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother." Question, Do you know who the children of the devil are after reading this scripture?
The first time I heard the phrase Theocratic Warfare was at a regional Elders - MS meeting in San Antonio. I was a MS at the time, and I was shocked to hear them lay it out so plainly. They did say, directly, that we may at times have to deceive the authorities or others if they didn't deserve to know it. I decided that could also apply to elders and didn't feel bad about lying on my service reports after that
Yaaas! Same here in numerous elders schools over the years when I was serving as a bumbling idiot elder. Good point!
...I was in Ohio.
I'm in SA now but wasn't the term in one of the songs from the brown song book? " He gives protection Tender affection loyalty to him we owe".
@@professorx187 I'm not sure. It might be but the strategy is outlined in other publications
Bring this to peoples attention is so important. Thank you. They are prepared to lie over and over.
Lost souls have to find there own way out.
You just made the ultimate “wake up” video with this one!
Thanks buddy!!
My thoughts exacty. This was top tier. Who could refute all this?
I remember hearing from the podium that we should not water down the truth. WTF! It’s done all the time!
Ohhh good point! I also remember this expression. I think Anthony Morris used it in a talk, come to think of it
Thank you for another great video. When I read Crisis of Conscience my eyes were opened. We have been lied to about a lot! I pray more people wake up and get out of this destructive and hypocritical cult.
They say one thing to the public to be more friendly but push another idea to the members through talks and videos . There are some that take it to the extreme , but then they are commended for it and maybe even used as an example. Great work thank you ❤
I love how you have the self awareness to describe that nobody explicitly told you to lie, or that "theocratic warfare," isn't necessarily a commonly known doctrine as such, but rather a concept that is sometimes referred to by that euphemism. This precision is exactly what's needed for PIMQs. If they haven't heard of or experienced something exJWs talk about, they'll dismiss it out of hand.
Some talk about things like "theocratic warfare," like it's something we frequently go over in watchtower studies. Your approach is better. It addresses the actual nature of this teaching up front.
Thank you! The video originated from this exact nitpick of mine lol. I don’t love when exJW’s talk about theocratic warfare as if it’s a frequently used internal JW term. It isn’t! But it is A THING that all JWs are made to understand
@@MarioJaker exactly. Just like how JWs use their own jargon as if it's apparent and obvious to everyone, exJWs can too. Excellent work!
@@TheVillainOfTheYearIndeed! It's all a part of what the Society calls the "pure language". (I even remember attending a district assembly with that very theme.) Curiously, though, the Society is using that expression with less frequency in recent years.
This is the good stuff. Thank you so much for continuing to make these!
The art of JAH-jitsu deflecting questions.
Lol. I'm gonna have to remember that one
Technically, isn't deflection JAH-do?
@adamantiumbullet9215 depends on the region. One is Japanese, and the other has Brazilian 🤣🤣
@@Sheol_Society
Both judo and jiu jitsu are Japanese.
However, having a nice Brazilian never hurts in a fight...or on the beach...
OSS!!
You are my new favorite exjw activist TH-camr! Wow! Clear, funny, coherent, interesting. Great prep work and documentation ! Thank you!
I love that you put their definition of the word LIE in here!
How did you put a picture in your username
@@tini96 I joined the channel as a supporter. The pics are there when you join.
Lying to just anyone is bad enough, but lying in the name of God, no matter what name he is called by, is like dragging His name through the mud. What makes it worse is that some people lie under oath to a court of law. That is called perjury, and it is a serious crime. It should be punished like any other crime. That is why God hates lying, as Proverbs 6:16-19 warns us. We are all guilty of lying from time to time, and I admit I am no exception. We should all stop lying to one another. Thank you for this eye-opening video.
Jesus Christ sent all of you to preach about the Jw's or satan the devil sent all of you to preach about the Jw's?????????
Lying in the name of God is the same thing is lying in the name of Harry Potter. It's no worse.
@@blindovision So which church is not lying according to the Bible in this world?
@@vusimngomezulu2500 every single last one of them is lying. The Bible is a book written by men, that's somehow states that a dude who had to kill his own son because someone stole his apple is love fuck that shit.
@@vusimngomezulu2500
I can unequivocally say u don’t fit that description, so why even ask the ?
I liked how you compared the shunning/disfellowshipping to the fair game practice from Scientology. We all were taught to lie to the public, like all good salesperson! I never consulted the questions section for my service, that was interesting.
Yes I find my JW acquaintances water down answers to my concerns
I remember doing the same thing. Lying to people when telling the truth would make us(JWs) seem weirder than we were or make the religion look bad. One example was when I was asked by people why i didn't go to college, i said i could have but i didn't want to, not true. But I also used it on the elders when they asked about things in my life that I didn't consider to be there business.
Thank you for this
I nominate Pinocchio for Governing Body membership.
Lol. That is a good one. Thank you for the laughs.
Are we all going through the same thing with our families at the same time (the past 20 years😂😢)?
Great video, Jake!🔥 There's a saying, "what's understood doesn't need to be explained." Thanks for explaining this to all the people who didn't grow up JW, so they can understand!✊🏽
When I walked away was 40 years ago. Since I am sinless, I divorced them. My family and all their friends can rot in paradise for all I care. They stole my youth. To hell with all of them. Hell is a useful word invented to express extreme anger.
11:02 - I just embarrassed myself on the train because of you!
"The hottest sex worker in Jericho!"
🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
Oh my goodness there’s so much to unpack here first of all. I just want to say that I thoroughly enjoy watching and listening to your videos every now and then when I need to remind myself just what the fuck now how did we get here 😂 because even though I’ve been out of “the truth” for close to seven years now, I find myself having breakdowns and just feeling like I’m living a broken version of what should’ve been life since both of my parents are still in.
I remember as a kid probably around seven years old, and knocking on someone’s door with my mom and while my mom preached to them and we got invited in, I was interacting with the ladies’s daughter and I remember just flat out telling her that if her family didn’t turn into Jehovah’s Witness, they were gonna die because that’s pretty much what it came down to and my little child brain and I remember the little girl crying because I was so passionate about it. I’m pretty sure the little girl like sensed the vibes and, she ran off and told her mom and I remember the lady letting my mom finish up the pitch but then just never hearing back from her again and looking back about how I feel like those of us that were raised in this similar experience and our brains just all developed similar fucked up that is😅
I was talking to my partner the other day about how I feel like it’s one of the worst feelings in the world, watching the organization deny things that perhaps we’re not written in paper but sure as fuck we’re insinuated and the way that they just played everything down sometimes the pain is so complex and surreal. I feel like , the evil is superior.
If the followers can lie to protect the organization what stops the governing body from lying to the followers to "protect" the organization? But none of that really matters because most Jehovah's witnesses attend the meetings for the sense of community. It's evident now more than ever before that doctrine means very little to the followers
So true
I’m amazed watching my family just go along with the new nonsense
With a smile
So not how I think
@@nomadicrecovery1586Absolutely! I remember not so many years ago when witnesses would be counselled against just going through the motions. Now, going through the motions is actually sanctioned by the Society. It's become the order of the day.
@@thomash.schwed3662 Yes! It sickens me watching my parents swallow everything hook and sinker😥😓 I have given up trying to steer them out. They of old age now, I have even thought about how they would completely break if they actually learnt the truth about their religion. Ignorance can be bliss.
Do you think younger JW are more open to being friends with non members?
I recall one debate with my mother about lying and how she was so proud to correct me that what she was doing is defined as “Theocratic Warfare,” NOT lying. 🙄
So glad I left long ago.
*chefs kiss*
i really enjoyed this video, thank you!
One of your best videos Jake, well done.
An elder from far abroad who was a youth friend of my father once had the public talk about higher education. He stated bible quotes like sadrach mesach and abednego who were taught in all wisdom of the chaldeans and also examples from brothers who used their talents for service. The local elders were furious. But they all had higher education!
Because of this I never took education seriously, and have no diploma.
It’s one of the (many) fun places where their divine command theorist and virtue theorist morals come into conflict, and they have to pull some utilitarian shenanigans to get out of it.
That ending was amazing thanks for another informative video with humour so it doesn't feel like sitting through a Tuesday midweek meeting
Great video... well done!!
Great job ❤loved it
I really like this format, Jake! Your writing skills and wit shine, and you get a lot of great reasoning and research into 20 minutes.
Wow! Damn! You did fabulous!!!!! Love that you take time out of your day to do an accurate smack down!!! Love it!!!!
This is really well made. Thank you so much for this. It really helps explain the terrible treatment apostates recieve from their own loved ones.
Quality work! Thanks Jake. I hope you and AltWifey are well.
Thank you so much for an amazing video!!!! This definitely is a lot of work so thank you!
Excellent video. Thank-you for taking the time to make it. Well done
This was really good brother . Very well laid out . This organization is harmful
Any current JWs watching or reading the comments. Please understand you are being taught hurtful things, hate , and lies the proof is right here. I’m so happy I left never been happier then I am now. On the other side we go through things and need to fix our thinking and heal
Pimo jw myself and I agree with you. Their useless teaching made me want to put painful marks on myself as a reminder of how many times they ruined me mentally
@@KeithBryantOfficial If an elder is found walking out of a prostitute apartment, and says he went there to ask directions to scout the field service territory, there would still be a JC set up for him. But two Israelites arrive in a city and of all the places to go stay they choose a SW home, and I'm supposed to applaud their deeds? Can we just be honest and acknowledge it was two guys who finally got to Vegas and wanted to enjoy the freedoms their camp in the desert wasn't affording them, what with all the 600 laws in Leviticus? Geez.
@@takeyouryokeandlearnfromme1771 Don't understand your metaphors! Just like the cult did in their publications
@@KeithBryantOfficial Then you didn't know the story about the Walls of Jericho and Rahab which he mentioned in the video.
The biggest lies were the ones we were told to tell ourselves. I found out a LOT of my family made up stories because "it must be true", and I later found out what really happened in the family was totally different to what they imagines. (In part, it was a trauma response to hide/not think of the old pain)
Another excellent video Thank You!🎉
I love these deepdives.
Witnesses are kind of hilarious about some stuff. They’ll claim they never said “xyz” and then have nothing to say when you show them “xyz” written down.
It’s like, why are you defending a religion you don’t fully know?
Or, they'll say that "xyz" in print is a fake quote, doesn't exist (because they didn't actually look it up) or was inserted into the book/magazine by an apostate.*
Ego and cognitive dissonance are powerful things.
* I've actually had JWs use all three of these excuses with me when I show them WT quotes.
Why do they do that
@@tini96
It's called "cognitive dissonance". In other words, in order to keep their beliefs intact, a JW chooses to disregard any information that shows those beliefs are not true.
@@adamantiumbullet9215 Or, the "out of context" claim.
I am being shunned Rt now. After 35 years .
Like me after 28 years.😅
Just laugh at them, they can't be taken seriously, sooner you start the deprogramming the better, Yeshua loves❤
@@chrisilver thank you. It’s been 3 yrs now.
I have been learning much!
Stay Blessed! Yah Bless Us All!
I Love The Torah!
@@thrumyeyesmt.6344 you should lodge a police report and have them charged, it is assult in the eyes of the law, let them prove how abhorrent they are.
❤
excellent production and you helped me to see that we as former jw's were always lying to cover up the cultish ways of the cult....nicely brought out...i used to say at work that i was busy the nite of the christmas party....i was embarassed...so i lied...didnt tell them i was in a cult that demonized christmas
surviving question is sneaky. From what I understand there is teaching about resurrection (to get Bible studies during the 1000 yr); but in the question of what happens to those alive at the exact time of Armageddon yes the teaching is non JWs destroyed, like blown out matches.
My interpretation of these is that a murderer who dies a few days ahead of Armageddon gets resurrection to have a chance to learn about Jehovah; whilst the week old baby on the day of Armagaddon gets permanent destruction.
So it’s interesting how particular they dissect words to bend to their needs when they condemn that for apostates lol what a deep rabbit hole
“Leave it in Jehovah’s hands” or “ God is protecting His people” are common cliches used by them, but they feel the need to lie because, why? Because God isn’t stepping in to do anything. 🤨!!
Great factual video!
Great Video Jake.. I love your narration. and you're funny as hell.
Fantastic video. Your honesty adds credibility - e.g. at 19:15. Instead of making up or paraphrasing your parents' answer you say you can't remember. Small details like this matter.
Brilliant - thanks 🙏
Thank you!!
How come it’s all about Jesus now ? Not all about Jehovah anymore? Another change again
The religion hardly mentions Jesus. They’re slowly replacing Jesus with GB
Stay tuned! Planning on making a vid about their increased focus on Jesus
I think its because more people believe in Jesus in the world than Jehovah
I've noticed this as well. There was a time we didn't know what to do when other religious "worldy people" would greet us with "praise the Lord Jesus"😅 Typically you are supposed to reply with "Amen" but we were taught not to respond - which I thought was ridiculous!
@@SunguchMan20 that would have totally messed with my head if that happened to me when I was PIMI. They are tricky.
True 🦬💩
Excellent
Geoffrey Jackson’s, now infamous, « presumptuous » statement to the Royal Australian Commission was the most egregious example of theocratic warfare ever seen in public. I understand it shocked many jw believers
Great video. Love your channel.
Excellent video. Positive feedback from someone often critical of your videos 💯
Wild.. how we, as ex members were just lead along with so much deceit by the leaders, and it keeps getting worse year after year. I felt so much cognitive dissonance back when i was active, and it was ALL for a reason..
Very well written
Words like lie, truth, shun and generation are hard 😢😢
I actually DID believe that only JWs would survive Armageddon and it really bothered me growing up. Every time we had a family thing with my Catholic relatives, I'd be really upset thinking about how they were not only all going to die, but I wasn't even going to be allowed to be sad about them dying because that would be like questioning Jehoprah's judgement in killing them at Armageddon. I also saw the really ghoulish behavior that a LOT, (in fairness, #NotAll), of JWs had towards WorldlyPeople™ that they regarded as irredeemable like progressives, gay people, avowed atheists, apostates, non-JW clergy, rude people at the door, etc etc. They would almost delight in the idea of these people getting their divine comeuppance. My cousin laughed at a major car crash in SF once because it was probably just a bunch of f-slurs that died, and that kind of attitude was rampant amongst JWs in my experience.
genesis 9: 21
@@maja3942 Genesis 19:32
sorry, gen. 8: 21
Amazing video
Very well done buddy, keep up the good fight!
Well done, Jake.
The thing about higher education is not uniform across the congs. I went to 2 that had many going to university. Several were MS’s. I also attended another where 2 MS’s were demoted because they did. And as WT is calling for doctors, techs of various kinds, I know of br’s that are getting degrees so they will be excepted to Bethel for special services. I also know a sister that is reproved because she is going to school to be one step down from a doctor. She was a pioneer and has 2 kids to support. So as the higher education mandate is not uniformly applied, perhaps this is why your JW comments vary.
WT paid for a brother to become a paramedic and then he went to Bethel. Dedicated funds paid for it.
14:26 I believed what you said for 40 years
Algorithms that recommend this channel are cool.
"The Art of Teaching" video is actually "The Art of the Sale"
Or, to use the title of a book credited to the Criminal-in-Chief, "The Art of the Deal" would be even more apt.
Do they have the truth but they changed everything all the time,,, Holy Spirit wrote the Bible it doesn't change anything is perfect, we change it and add words to according to our doctrines or beliefs, not just JW's King James all the Bibles 🙏 truth doesn't change the Bible, 1 JW told me where the fastest changing religion in the world 🌍 and he was proud of that ❓ amazing imagination 🤔
Reading the hearts that was the same thing I said
what the wt never tells you is the story of rahab and abraham and the midvives they were not blessed for lying they were blessed because of their faith JEHOVAH DID NOT BLESS THEM FOR THEIR LYING AS THE WT WANTS YOU TO BELIEVE REMEMBER ABRAHAM FAILED TWICE HE LIED ABOUT HIS WIFE AND TRUSTED THE LIE TO SAVE HIM JEHOVAH HAD TO PROTECT HIM INSTEAD OF THE LIE PROTECTING HIM
people lie because they trust the lie will save them from whomever is threatening them instead of putting their trust in Jehovah the God of truth
What are the differences between the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures and the King James Version Bible?
Why is it called the Holy Scriptures and not the Bible???
I did a video on the NWT, if you scroll through my vids. But it is interesting that they insist on calling their translation “the holy scriptures” and not “the holy Bible.” Maybe another little way for them to be contrarian about everything?
Best outro ever 😂😂
Jackson saying they are elected by vote does not quite rebut the teaching that the spirit directs the choice
They would say it’s THROUGH that body that the spirit works
Which, if the spirit was doing the choosing, there is no reason it couldn’t be that process which is used
But of course you can’t prove any of that
So they get away with it
Kind of like saying Jesus returned INVISIBLY
Can’t disprove it so…..
Hmm I know what you’re saying, and I’m sure a JW could raise that objection, but I don’t agree. If Jesus selected members of the GB via holy spirit, there would be no need to vote. As far as I know, the GB has never so much as hinted that new members are appointed by vote-they always say they’re chosen by Holy Spirit. So either way, JWs are not being told “the whole truth”
How can a non personal entity have will??
It's bizarre watching people take seriously, and argue over a god the ancient Hebrews made up. It's like watching people argue over Zeus, or Rah trying to understand the will of an imaginary creature.
I don't get it either. How anyone with half a brain can take the Bible God seriously is beyond me.
Great video!
No one on this planet can shun you from God or you are putting themselves higher than God.
Pope Pius XII summarised the jw psychology in Humani Generis:
"So it happens that men in such matters easily persuade themselves that what they would not like to be true is false or at least doubtful."
Being a JW has never been easier tbh... It's so watered down now.
‘Gifts to men’ is the correct translation, which is reflected in other translations of the Bible
well done. very clear.
Well done! Brilliant! Well said, awesome video. Their organization is not the truth, but the lie.
PDF files, where'd you get that?
I got it from a million other TH-cam channels and TikToks 🤣
@@altworldly you watch a lot of TicTokers and TH-camrs 🤣
Interesting the way you put it.
I never amounted to anything in the organization, but i had friends who were elders.
Sometimes they would give public talks and make extremely harsh comments on the platform, (because it was in their outline from the society), and when i would ask them about it in private conversation, they always took a much softer tone. They went from being hard as stone on stage, to being soft as a pillow in one on one conversation. This bothered me. Was what they said on stage true, or was what they said in private true? It made me think that they didn't fully believe what they were teaching. What hypocrisy!
Have you read the Silo series? Sci fi series where an entire civilization resides inside a "silo" and are taught if you go outside it you'll die immediately.
It looks like there's a TV series also but books are always better.
Ohh, sounds cool!
@@altworldly Theres some twists and turns and the first book is by far the best but its worth reading.
PRAISE JAH (and lie for Him 🤫)
Maybe lying is a conscience matter.
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P19:19... I was born in 3rd generation and I heard about theocratic warfare a lot... I left in 1985, when I was 17 years old. 😮😉 in Belgium 🇧🇪...and in Canada 🇨🇦 😳
Lying for Jehovah? What Happens when people DISCOVER YOUR LIES?
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@@altworldly They Question your integrity
As a SDA preacher said, its easier to hide from God in a religion. Christ is the only way.
I was totally shunned for 6 months in my family home 🏡 😢....
Yes, they shun ! For 6 months I felt like a ghost 👻 👽 😔 😕
Actually, and for context I’m a raised in longtime exjw, a HUGE lie is that an invisible deity exists who revealed himself to certain persons who were then inspired to record his (or its) will for all of humanity, and humans had better obey, or else 😂…
Ultimately it's the parents that tell the elders of crimes in thier family or towards thier kids. It's up to the parents to press charges. Nobody ever! Stops the parents from reporting crimes or ask them to not report crimes. Fact!
I'll only say this because i used it too: nice Canva thumbnail 😊
Haha listennnnn I gotta do what I gotta do 😂
@@altworldly I use Canva for all of mine, too.
Cool
Just because someone does not survive the end of this system does not mean that will not have a chance to be saved.
This is literally nonsense. If Jehovah kills someone and then resurrects them two weeks later, he still killed them.
About the Rahab story, Jake, If an elder is found walking out of a SW's apartment, and says he went there to ask directions to scout the field service territory, there would still be a JC set up for him. But two Israelites arrive in a city and of all the places to go stay they choose a SW home, and I'm supposed to applaud their deeds? Can we just be honest and acknowledge it was two guys who finally got to Vegas and wanted to enjoy the freedoms their camp in the desert wasn't affording them, what with all the 600 laws in Leviticus? Geez.
you mentioned a livestream you did recently would be posted in the description but there is no description :( am i missing it somewhere?
I’m so sorry, I could not find it! So I think I’m just going to make a video about it since it comes up a lot lol
@@altworldlyall good! ill look forward to it :)
Hi Jake, good video. Just wanted to mention a couple things. So witnesses do believe and have in print that “only baptized ones will be saved at Armageddon” meaning baptized Jdubs. That’s BEFORE and through the big A. When they say there will be a resurrection of the Righteous and UnRighteous - that is AFTER the big A. So each belief is for different periods of time. Hope that makes sense. Also you had Jade and Neeta confused I think. Just trying to help with accuracy, no hard feelings of any kind at all. All the best, keep it up!
Nothing I said in the video contradicts what you said, and it’s definitely Jade. Hope this helps
1 John 3:10
"By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother."
Question, Do you know who the children of the devil are after reading this scripture?
God SHUNNED Satan by throwing him out of heaven and not allowing him or his followers to return
Proof?