WHY 'GAME IMPROVEMENT' IRONS CAN HURT YOU - 10 Handicap Iron Custom Fitting Session
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In this video we take Alex, a 10 handicapper, through an iron fitting to see if we can help him sneak down into those single figures.
Testing irons such as the new Callaway Apex Pro, Titleist T150, Mizuno Pro 223 and Taylormade P770.
But which will come out on top??
What a great example of a professional fitter . An example for all to follow
Thanks 🙌🙌🙌
I feel in love with the forgiveness and high ball flight of Ping irons some 5 years ago. Never really realized that the precision of my iron game was gone. Rented a set of players forged irons while on vacation and my old iron game was back. Pings out Mizuno JPX forged in.
t150 are great. Just got them fitted aswell. I have T150 from 48-6i and t200 5i and 4i. Love that combination. I play around Hdcp 10 aswell
Just found this channel really interesting. Amazed how differently "similar" heads perform.
I am a 16 HCP and was thinking I was going towards the G430 Irons. I tried them and hated them. Ended up going with the i230s, and what a good decision that was!
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I'm a 6 handicap and have G400 and I200 irons and played both. The G400s are in my bag. The I200s are nice but a little too challenging in the longer irons and don't offer any advantage to me in the shorter irons.
@@lastubermanI play 4-U, and I also rock a icrossover 2i. the 4 and the icrossover are very forgiving I find. The 230s just look sexy as well. I'd give them a try! What do you play then if not the 200s?
@@epgolfstudiosthe 430 irons are way too chucky. I like a slimmer topline and less offset. I'll be single digit this year if my elbow cooperates. May have to have surgery:(
@@PNW_Sportbike_Life I play my G400 irons. Love them. Swing speed is too slow these days for a 2i.
I really like these fitting vids. I recently did a titleist fitting. I really wanted to like the t200 irons. Found a good shaft when I flushed it.. all the numbers were great
But slight off center hits I was losing 10-15 yards consistently. That was way too much distance gap. Was a great fitting and the pro was super helpful like your self.
Sadly the worst experience fitting I had was with a pxg guy who seemed bored as hell. But the Gen5 p irons were bang on compared to everything I hit. Not to mention quite a bit less during the holidays.
Cool video, good work by the fitter for sure. Reminds me of my session a couple of years ago. I wanted the ZX5 really bad but could not deny the numbers i was putting up with the Apex 21s so I went with those. My goal for 2024 is to get back to single digit (12 hcp currently) and so I need my dispersion to tighten up. Seems like the Elevate 95s are a tad too light for me so i look forward to going back to the fitter and see if a different shaft in a 105g may yield better results. Love this game!
good video. I just got fitted. Pretty much tried the same clubs. But I hit the apex and ping i230 the best. Went with a combo set of the apex pro but with a 130-gram shaft. On the 115 I felt like I tried to slow the swing down. Average speed was 85 (115g) but with the 130g I went up to 88 mph. average carry with 7 iron apex pro was 178. 8-PW I went with the apex mb. Love this combo set. They're pricey.
@CamMacMaster I also tend to agree. I am good with my irons, fair with my driver, but was absolutely terrible with my 3 wood except off the tee. I also struggled with my 4 hybrid. I recently was lucky enough to talk to a very knowledgeable salesman at my local golf shop, and he recommended the King tec 21 deg 4 hybrid adjusted to 22.5 and a Ping SFT G430 16 deg 3 wood adjusted to 17.5, and it helped tremendously. But no fitter had ever mentioned that and I didn’t even know it was possible. I also believe that all this talk about high handicap is misleading because you can be very good with your driver and irons, but if you can’t get it on the green and in the hole you will still have a high handicap. I believe fittings to be essential but most amateur golfes would probably benefit more from proper lessons and knowing what to work on.
I’m a 14 handicapper who has been anywhere between 12 & 16 in a calendar year 2023. Shows you what WHS does. Bonkers system that doesn’t allow for the average 20 mph winds at our links club. First hole si11 par 3 174 yards. In the morning 3 wood comes up short, 4 hours later, wind switch 7 iron goes out the back! 😂😂
Golf is hard.
I felt he wanted to edge for the T150's but then soon realised the Apex's just worked so well for him on his miss hits, I probably should get myself in for a fit sometime soon, Using the good old stealth irons and went from a 13hc to a 7.7hc this season, I really like my irons the only thing I do hate is I do tend to miss a lot left.
IMO..A fitting should be broke down into 6 categories. Putting, short game, long irons, short irons, fairway woods/hybrids, and driver. I don’t think it’s fair to fit people according to their handicap. You can have a 20 handicap player who is absolutely deadly with their irons, but terrible with the driver, but excellent with putting and terrible with wedges. Therefore, they should be fit according to how they strike each individual club. Which means he could have a very forgiving driver, but be playing with a set of bladed irons, cavity back wedges, blade putter. Just saying.
Totally agree with you. Fits should be broken down into these categories. Cheers
Absolutely agree, great comment 👏
I’d love a customer that’d want to spend 8 hours getting fit into every section of the bag. Personally, I haven’t met many golfers who WANT or can afford that type of fitting
I’ve never seen a 20 cap who is deadly with their irons and a great putter
@@nikmc7539You would need to be young and in great shape!!
Pushing the apex from first swing!
This is a very condensed video. I was advising the apex and there was a clear reason for that 😂
Very intuitive vlog! I’m due for a refit soon. Had my clubs 5 years now Ping i200 looking for a bit more feel. Especially when it comes to pitch and chipping!
Yeah Ping irons never were really renowned for the best feel. But perform well. What have you got your eyes on?
Pros are using mixed sets now , forged blades and cavity backed in the bag at the same time.
Love the videos Ross especially the fitting videos with customers 👍, can’t wait to come down and have a fitting session myself, booked in for the middle of Jan and can’t wait, keep
Up the great work mate 🏌️♂️
Thanks Lee, appreciate the comment! And look forward to seeing you in Jan 👌👍
Great fitting, great video, you are not that far from me either, I think I’ve found where I’m going to when I next upgrade!
Thanks a lot David 🙏 and that's brilliant! We look forward to seeing you in the studio at some point 👍
I'm an 8 handicap, bought the Cleveland XL Halo hybrid irons last year, looking for more forgiveness. Big mistake. I lost 20 yards of distance on every single iron, and the feedback from them (presumably due to the hollow face?) is non-existent. For the modest tick up in forgiveness that has been massively offset by loss of accuracy and distance. I have since moved to a set of Srixon ZX5's, and couldn't be happier.
I think most golfers (myself included) need to acknowledge that we're better than we think we are.
Interesting to see that with the apex his swing changed from "out to in " to "in to out" not every but specially in the last set
Amd please please please keep putting the swingweight in here... so crucial to feel that gets lost in videos all over the internet
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Great video ! Really enjoyed it.
Thanks Cam! Even though im not sure what half of that says 🤣🤣
You do a nice job of fitting, why the Callaway bias? He was clearly hitting the T150 better in the range setup. You kept pushing the apex and drove him to the apex pro. No biggie as long as the customer was happy, just noticed a clear bias and push
Little surprised not to see anything in the Elevate line- even Elevate Tour or an AMT Red. No Modus 105 either as I recall. Also would have expected a little more forgiving head like the T200 or Mizuno 923 forged
We get the numbers through the head not the shaft, then the shaft is all about dialling strike which we definitely found with the IO 👌 and we were moving away from the stronger lofted irons, that was pretty much the whole point of the fit and why it will benefit Alex. Plus none of the irons featured in this video are less forgiving than the irons you mention 👍 it's all about the right performance, forgiveness is a great marketing tool.
@@epgolfstudios thx for the response. Agree the IO did the job for strike and dispersion. Those heads (T150 and Apex pro) seem pretty small for 10+ handicappers. Shaft has to play a factor in spin/ height/landing angle tho or why would they have the Elevate line? I see a lot of fitters that are more than happy with 7i spinning at 5500 as long as landing angle is above 45.
@@alexshearer3227 the 150 is on the smaller side but honestly as forgiving as anything else, the apex pro is basically the same size as T200/P790. Shafts play virtually no part in launch and spin, trust me I've literally tested this hundred upon hundreds of times 😂 and I've got a few videos on my channel to show this 👌
Going from a ping g425 to something like a T150/Apex is a big change. Can you say why you did not give him P790/T200 or similar to compare. He seemed to like the titleist but results from T150 were not great - maybe T200 would have worked well
I thought the same and especially with his right miss 🤔
He needed more loft. I have the same problem with 30* 7 irons. Not enough launch, not enough spin, not steep enough landing angle.
@@glenburr6755 well you can weaken the lofts on the "players distance" 7 iron to say 32 degrees. so it seems strange to completely discount irons in this category without exploring the option.
Man ..when at around 1:30 -2:00 min mark were pushing it right ,i would love to have that consistent miss..i understand as a high handicapper because i dont play a lot and practice little is half the reason why i have all sorts of misses..but my point is during a round ill go from missing left ,left hook, to pushing right snap slice ,to thinning with either left or right movement to chunking it shank ….if i could keep just one fault ,like that , i could just adjust set up or any other small adjustment mid round and be very very happy with my round…….
This guy must be amazing off the tee or on the green to be a 10 handicap because judging by his 7 iron shot I’d say 10 is VERY generous
This is great! I feel like--especially as I've added speed--that my Mizuno HMP are almost "too hot" if that's a thing? If i close the face even slightly too much, it pulls, spin drops, and it flies 30 yards further. For this fitting, and people who should maybe switch to more of a player's irons, is it mainly the head design, or is it the weaker lofts that lead to more spin and control?
two seconds after mentioning going upright he cooked one hard left. hard to truly find the perfect combination of shaft, loft, lie and so on when our swing changes from one minute to the next
i think he made the right choice in the end.
You're absolutely right it is hard. But also when weighing up lie angle its helping to improve the miss on a decent strike, and on average Alex would slightly leak it to the right with a decent swing, so on average going upright will help with his more common miss when he makes a pretty good swing. A lie angle change is never going to matter when it comes to a hard left miss, that's just a bad swing. The extra spin will help that a little bit with these new irons, but there's only ever so much a club can do, ultimately it's still down to you to get more consistent with how you deliver the club 👍
@@epgolfstudios his own club he had a hard left miss. his fitted clubs were much better
Great video!
Thanks Grunt 👍
I'm going for a fitting and I'm hoping I land with T150s, Srixon X7/5 MK2 or Mizzino 243. I'm
a 12 and want a set I can grow into
Id love mizuno 223 in 3-5 iron and 221 in 6 pw to replace my mp30s as they are looking old.
Good vid!
Great video! I would like to purchase my next set of irons and they have to be fitted... what's your view on getting a fitting when not playing and practicing much at that moment in time? Worth waiting until the spring?
Titleist made fitting irons pretty easy. Have you tried T150's ? They work for 90% of golfers
Did you watch any of the video 😂
Haha I don’t think he did… I tried the 150’s and they just didn’t vibe with me in any shaft. Went to mizuno 245 and viola amazing
This video just came randomly on my feed, and I think I’ll be booking a fitting with you next week! Out of interest, do you just have the 7i for fittings or do you have others? Just interested in potentially going for a combo set or something so would like to try a low iron? Hopefully see you soon!
Hey Andrew! That's great we look forward to seeing you soon! And we have some longer irons in Titleist as they provide them for us which is great but they don't have interchangeable shafts. But we don't have in any other brands at the moment. Tbh figuring out combo sets is pretty easy depending on your delivery, ball flight and strike consistency. That's one benefit of working with an experienced fitter 👌
Ross, I know he tried the Mizuno Pro 223. Was the more forgiving Pro 225 not available? I can’t wait to see the Pro 245 !!Also, forgiveness wise, do you think the Apex Pro is more like the T 200 than the T 150? Or right in between? Thanks, Joe
Hey Joe. Well the only problem with the 225 is moving back down towards a lower spinning head, at a lower loft, which is what we were trying to get away from with Alex. And again in all honesty I've never really seen any noticeable difference in forgiveness between those heads. It's very marginal. And yeah with the Apex Pro being full hollow body, so being as forgiving as the 225 and T200, but having more loft, it fit perfectly really 👌
Question - You are using a lot of stiff shafts, as opposed to Regular on the irons, can you give me your logic on the choice?
He's already really in the stiff range really with a somewhat jerky motion from the top so more stability is better but once I get him moving better his speed will jump 5mph minimum do definitely better for long term too
Great fitting!!
Thanks Michael 👍
Why did you not go with the 223 that was producing spin in the 6600 range? Distance seemed consistent. Wouldn't it hold greens better and be more controlled?
The 223:s flew nowhere. Spin is overrated. 5000 is more than enough with his speed for a 7-iron and will stop fast enough.
The extra spin was mainly coming from him slightly miss hitting it hence the lack of distance compared to the others. And 6600 is an unnecessary amount of spin for someone of Alex's speed and delivery, and on course that would be over 7000. Serves no purpose except for losing distance. The stopping power comes through the land angle so he had the same control if not slightly more with the apex as more ball speed creates a higher peak height and more land angle
would you say this was a typical session or did you go through more due to making a video? Just trying to set my expectations for a fitting. I must have missed it but I still don't know why game improvement irons can hurt you. Did you address this?
Yeah pretty typical. Also the video is obviously condensed quite a lot. Generally an iron fitting is 1.5 hours. We like to test as many variables as possible to ensure the best results. Game improvement irons are generally speaking low spin, so if you have a low spin delivery then that can create a ball flight that is too low and has a.sub optimal land angle but it will also accentuate your miss (especially if it's left) but will also generally create gapping issues through the bag and long irons that have a very low and aggressive ball flight with no stopping power. Lots of issues really. Generally for most players, especially slower swing speed, irons with more loft are a lot better.
Even with the 2* upright adjustment he was still 2-3 toe down at impact. Any thoughts on other adjustments to address that? Or is that not a concern? Thanks!
Yeah it's funny how some people can fluctuate and adjust. But aslong as direction is generally better then I'm not really concerned. The toe strike came from the swing move that created the toe down at impact, so it's a little bit of a band aid for now and he's working on it so it's a nice balance and when he works on it hopefully we can move back more towards standard
I ask for that very reason. I have a similar tendency. At first when the lie angle is adjusted upright its better then I just start compensating and get right back to toe down even with upright lie angle :)@@epgolfstudios
So why is the game improvement heads hurting? I have a set of JPX 921 hot metal pro and a set of JPX 923 Hot metal, amazingly I hit the pros better than the more forgiving Hot Metals. Any idea why a smaller less forgiving head would perform better for me?
It will be different for everyone of course. For some the stronger lofted game improvement irons would be great. All depends on how you deliver it. But for Alex the strong lofts were bad as they created too low launch and spin. That in turn
Makes his bad miss even worse and reduces stopping power into greens. In your case I would say more to do with the set up than the actual heads. Are they different shafts? As those heads aren't really too much different
@@epgolfstudios exact same shaft in both. So strange.
@@dominickdelfino7552 very odd! Swingweight, lie angle all the same? Might just be a psychological thing possibly 🤷 who knows, but it they work better then who cares 😂 just keep playing them 🙌👍
@@epgolfstudios I am curious if the slightly smaller club makes me focus more on strike and also wonder if more loft would help too. Or it’s just all in my head ;)
Pushing those Apex pros lol
I'm hitting 150 PW with a 75 mph club head speed. Why are guys hitting shorter with the same speed? This is according to the SC300I. But at the range I was dropping it on the 150 flag. Or as close as a novice can. Close for me, withing 20 feet left or right.
You definitely shouldn't be hitting a PW 150 with that club speed 😂 unless your lofts are mega strong. Even then I don't think it's possible. My PW would be around 145 swinging at about 90 mph.
What’s the difference between a 10 handicap 50 year old? And 10 handicap 65 year old? Why don’t you have a club comparison for those golfers?
Apart from age I couldn't tell you what the difference was until I saw them swinging a golf club 😂 but we have only just started doing these fitting videos so I'm sure at some point we will. We just haven't had anyone that meets that criteria wanting to be on the channel yet. Although the last driver fitting was with a gentleman in the slightly older age bracket than the 20/30's and that was a very good video
just a minor critique but you keep saying the descent angle as a percentage not as degrees
You did get me thinking for a minute 😂😂 but I just say the number, I don't say percent or degrees. I'm not even sure how you could say it as a percentage 😂
Mate..regular flex. Hell load them better. KBs tour R+ or C taper Lite R. Steelfiber i95 S..
Yeah could have done but the reality is that would have made no difference and as he gets better speed will grow so prob better not to go Reg from a longevity perspective.
Pros/+handicap players miss the "sweet spot" maybe 20% of the time; handicap players miss it 80% of time. God bless Karsten Solheim for the gift of perimeter weighted Ping irons!
I'd love to know where those stats came from 😂 all manufacturers use brilliant tech nowadays, no one really stands out above the crowd tbh. All about getting what's right for your game 👌
PING.. new. i 530. retro spec...
This guy should be in a more forgiving head like the 790 or T200 (or maybe even more forgiving). These look good in the bag, but he'd score better with something more forgiving.
There is no difference in forgiveness between then Apex Pro and the clubs you mention. Really forgiveness is mostly marketing, and doesn't really play out when you actually have data to back up the claims. And if we went to one of those he would have the same issues as he does now (maybe not quite as bad as they wouldn't be as low spin) but misses would be worse, gapping would be worse, ball flight in long irons worse. So no, he would not score better with those irons.
@@epgolfstudios A larger head provides more forgiveness through a larger sweet spot (even if only slightly) when someone isn't striking the ball consistently out of the center. If not, then why not go back to smaller faced/headed drivers. If there were no difference, then pros wouldn't be playing combo sets to get more consistency out of their long irons. They're focused on scoring. Several pros are playing T200s (or similar) at the top of their bags based on performance, only.
@@NCtrailX possibly if you are talking about the difference between a blade / small fully forged cavity back iron then yes you probably would see a bit more drop off on those off centre hits, but the difference in size between the T200, P790 and Apex Pro is nothing, they are virtually the same. And no one would be able to quantify much difference in forgiveness between those heads.
I thought they mentioned if they went 150 then they’d combo set the 200 at top of bag?
I think issue with 790 for this player is loft strength which was the result of the fit ie they wanted more spin and decent for stopping into greens. I’m no expert but that was my takeaway!
The featured folder has a best a year of golf experience, and if measured and indexed properly, has a handicap closer to 18. Not that difficult to spot.
How bout just moving the lie upright 2 degrees and let him keep $1000 of the $1200 for new irons that won’t really be any better.????
@@rogerwhite7719 so we explain why it will be better, help him understand his swing and work on that for him, say to him to buy second hand irons instead of new, which he does, and still you find something to moan about, jeez, some people 😂😂
First 😆🤣🤣
Very inconsistant ball striking from inside on the face to outside of the face........
He needs golf lessons, not new clubs
I’ll let him know your expert advice 👀😂😂😂😂
dude isn't even hitting the face of the club.. Low launch low spin, he's barely hitting the bottom groove..
How does a guy with poor swing fundamentals and the inability to properly/consistently compress the ball (w/ the 425’s) equate to blanket statements like “GAME IMPROVEMENT CAN HURT YOU”?? 🤦🏼♂️
He’d be better served spending $500 on lessons w/ a top coach NOW to improve his poor swing fundamentals and inability to compress the ball… Then, in 10-12 months, he’d see exponential gains from the $2000 spent on lessons, fitting and new sticks.
I agree! If you have bad mechanics don’t get fitted until you straighten that out! Or do a combination of swing coach and fitting!
I think that was explained in the video. And of course it all depends on the player. Some they will be great for, but for a lot of people stronger lofted rons are hurting them. Especially slower swing speeds.
And I agree everyone should get lessons and work on swing fundamentals. Also the reality is most don't. Whether that be time constraints, money constraints or they just want to play and enjoy the game at the level that they are at. It all depends on what you want out of the game. Ultimately people come to us to advise on what equipment is best for them, and that's what we do. A lot of the time we do incorporate conversions about swing mechanics and coaching and if needed weigh that up into the fitting and advice we give.
fitters can hurt your game. he needs a series of lessons first.
Refittings are for folks who have zero ability to adjust to the club. Which means you will always be spoiled and at a disantvatage because you can NEVER fit the course to your game, can you? Next we will be making the courses easier as a way of playing better golf. Same as education. So sad.
I guarantee you there is not a single professional golfer that you could offer a club to hit, that they would say, "hey, i havent been fitted for that yet". Tiger used to flex by hitting old resin woods at 50+ yardage in his range sessions and just watching faces drop.
i quit watching about a third thru
check his grip
his lie angle is off
he doesnt have a stiff shaft swing
Please elaborate....
Love the way you go about your fittings. Very patient and relaxed environment. I was a p770 guy and recently changed to the new PXG 0317T. Better feel, more efficient, and a bit longer. I was very surprised.
Thanks Chuck! And that's good you found something that works better for you, that's what it's all about 👌
I was actually playing a combo w P7MCs for 7 thru PW. The 770s were 4 thru 6. During the fitting I wanted solid heads but the P7MCs were too difficult for me. Tried T150s, 0317CB, and ZX7s which were really nice too. But the fitter suggested I try the 0317Ts. Not a solid head like I wanted, but felt like a solid head. They are new but I'm always interested to see how other people test and how different clubs compare. Thanks for the reply.
I just went from 790’s to PXG 0317T. A bit shorter but better accuracy.
Awesome video. It felt like he really wanted the titleist irons to be the one even though you could tell the apex pro was probably the one. I was recently fit and had similar numbers with the t200 and t150 and even though I could have made the t150s work, the ease of hitting the t200s made them the obvious choice as it was.
Really enjoyed the video, especially the honesty contained within the closing comments in light of how expensive golf equipment can be these days. That alone would make me come to you guys for a fitting in that it clearly wasn't a fitting session followed by a pressure to complete a sale.
Just subscribed - love watching your fitting sessions. Never had the confidence to go myself, so really interesting to see how it all works
Problem I see with all these fittings is nobody ever seems to go back to the original clubs to compare after thoroughly warming up. His strikes got more consistent but it's hard to say if it's the different setup or because he was simply warmed up? I know it takes me at least a half hour before my swing settles down (if it ever settles down) - I'm similar handicap, but better irons wouldn't make any meaningful difference to my game...
I do that quite often to be honest but it does depend on the scenario and how their own clubs performed for them. In Alex's case when we saw him hit good shots with his own clubs the performance wasn't very good because of how strong in loft they were paired with the head design. So regardless of consistency moving into a more player's iron would be a good move for him 👌 if he had irons that performed pretty similarly on good shots then we probably would have jumped back into his at the end.
New subscriber alert!!!..love how its max 4 shots and take it out if not working...always best to keep their confidence!
Thanks Patrick we appreciate it. And yes it's generally pretty apparent if a set up isn't clicking well so 4/5 shots is all that's needed to give it a good go but realise it's just not clicking 👌
Ping i230 might be a good fit for him.
Thank you for this video. You are a very good fitter and I enjoy these videos. I recently gave up my Miz JPX 923 HM after only a year or so. Back to a more of a cavity back players irons to get my game back. I'm on Srixon ZX5/7 blended set at the 6/7 iron and love them.
I have paid to be fitted 3 times, twice at Roger Dunn and once at PGA. Roger Dunn sells a ton of used clubs, and now I know why as their fitting was rushed and just wrong. PGA was pretty good but only offered 3 shafts...I'll go custom next time and pay the extra.
The level of time and care you are taking is awesome. I cannot find that anywhere in my area. And I have access to the PGA Superstore, Edwin Watts, Club Champion, Golf Tec and Tru Spec. Kudos to you.
You think a 5.5 hard stepped would help a player like this with dispersion?
No 😂
At the beginning of the video you seemed a bit concerned about his club face being a little too toe down. Looks like that was evident throughout the video with all heads. I was just wondering why you didn't address this. The Apex Pros were clearly the head for him. Thanks for sharing. I love these kinds of videos. Cheers!
He seemed to prefer the T150, in my opinion, even though he was straighter with the Apex
He did prefer the way the head looked but we both agreed performance, consistency and dispersion was better with the Apex Pro
I think this was a product of sole design. He is relatively steep given his swing speed so the higher bounce of the apex pro made for better turf interaction compared to the lower bounce titleist.
Makes sense, I ended up with t100's at a recent fit as I've a fairly flat swing and the lower bounce was actually providing more forgiveness.
Such a great watch. You are awesome for supporting him in buying pre-owned as well.
Good evening am I able to come have a driver fitting with you please happy to travel I currently have a titliest TSR 2 Driver. Play off 4.7
Hey Chris, yes absolutely you can mate 👍 if you just Google Elite Performance Golf Studios you will find out website and we have an online booking system that is easy to use. Just pick Driver fitting and get booked in 👍 look forward to seeing you soon
Really good video and great outcome for him! I was a little surprised the i230s didn’t work their way into the mix - what kinds of players have you seen them working well for?
Thanks Eric 🙏 well we don't do Ping so that was never going to happen 😂😂 we did chat to them when we originally opened but couldn't come to an agreement on terms to open an account. They basically wanted to turn us into a pro shop and tried getting us to buy loads of stock, which for a company that pushes custom fitting is super hypocritical, and never what we wanted to be. We have emailed them a couple times recently but they are not responding to us 🤷
@@epgolfstudios Oh man, that's a bummer! Totally understandable from you all's end -- but I wish Ping would approach things differently.0
I've found that Ping has slowly taken over my bag this last couple of years. I don't have any particular brand loyalty, but just found that the i230s were perfect for me first (the option of installing a heavier toe weight was a huge benefit) ... and then the G430 Max 3 wood in the flat-minus setting proved to be an awesome anti-hook set-up that's super easy to hit off the deck ... and then the iCrossover wound up being a great 4 iron replacement. Their flat and open adjustable hosel settings are just terrific for somebody like me who's always fighting a hook. (Credit to Titleist too in this regard! Their flat, minus 0.75 degree setting is also great for me.)
Ping is making great stuff right now, but it's a shame their approach is making it tough for channels like you all to show it off and include it in fitting scenarios like this one and the other tests you all do. Fingers crossed they'll rethink that and get back to you all soon. And thanks for taking the time to reply to me!
this dude prob hit a thousand balls after testing. no way you can get an accurate reading when he is fatiguing.
After testing? Not sure that makes any sense 😂 but yeah fatigue can sometimes be an issue for some, but Alex didn't really struggle too much. Our fittings are always in depth and we do hit a lot of shots as that's how you get the very best fit 👌
Watching that takeaway is painful. This guy really needs lessons, not new clubs.
Alright Tiger Woods calm down
Was he not interested in trying any graphite shafts?
Most of the stock OEM ones are a bit light for him. Could have gone aftermarket but would have massively increased price with minimal performance gains
old mate so wanted you in to the apex :)
would have stuck with the T150. Seemed the fitter wanted him to take the Apex Pro 🤣
We both agreed fairly easily on the Apex. And my whole bag is Titlesit, I absolutely love their clubs and think they are amazing. It's harder to tell on the video as a lot of shots are taken out but the miss hit and better general direction was better with the Apex, obviously good ones with both were great but the miss was wider with the T150.
@epgolfstudios We're limited for golf shops and fitters in my city here in NZ. I stopped playing 6 years ago and was off +3, and im loookg at getting back into it. Im 44 and wouldn't say no to some extra distance if its available. Ive tried a ton of clubs and really like the Cobra Forged Tec X, even though with my mid to high 90's swing speed with a 7 iron they really shouldnt suit my game but every time i hit them theyre the most consistent. Im getting ball speeds of about 130mph, a peak height of 110-120ft, a descent angle of between 48 & 50⁰, and backspin of about 5200-5500. Do these numbers seem ok to you? Ive always hit the ball high amd struggled to knock spin off my irons so the lower spin appeals to me.
Hey Clint! Yeah I mean that's a really tricky situation. Being completely honest the best bet is to work on getting angle of attack more down and they will link to delivering less loft and create way more distance but from better players clubs that will gap better. The thing I hate about the stronger lofted irons is that loft gaps are so small between long irons and massive between wedges. But yes from a ball perspective those numbers are ok. Only thing to be weary of would be the spin getting a bit too low in the longer irons. I did a video where I show how much difference there is when hitting down on an iron Vs hitting up. I think it was the "Custom Fitting or Lesson" video. Have a watch 👍 but generally in your case I like to go in the middle. Play an iron that still has distance in mind but the loft gaps aren't so mental. So like Mizuno 225 or the P790 or even the standard Forged Tec model
@@epgolfstudios thanks for the reply 👍. I'm usually about 3⁰ down on my irons and can alter that by moving the ball back a bit. I've always played form a slightly open stance hence the high ball. I'm considering hybrids or a utility wood or 2 for the top of the bag.
That was bad form from the guy. Surely he knows the price of clubs going into the fitting. Why go through everything, 100+ shots, multiple brands, multiple shafts if he has no intention of buying through you? Hope this doesn't happen often, you seem like a really good guy. Wish you were local to me.
Just subscribed, I went into my local shop for a fitting on Saturday and I really liked the look of the p790s but just couldn’t hit them well enough, I hadn’t ever looked or even really heard of the callaway apex but like this gentleman here I felt like I couldn’t miss with them so purchased them! Look forward to them arriving. Great video keep it up.
Thanks Reece! Appreciate the support 🙌 glad you went for a fitting and I'm glad it helped, hopefully the new clubs go well 🙌
how are the apex's now that you've had them several months?
I know were I will be getting fit for my next Driver/Iron set ...superb and thorough fitting session !!!!
Thanks Goose and look forward to it 👌👍
Over 10 years ago I got some super game improvers, Cleveland HB3's. I didn't need them then, and I often have felt it hurt. Looking forwatd to getting back home and getting my SRIXONS mixed set.
Another great fitting video. I have watched a lot of your content and always find it unbiased and very informative. I will definitely be booking myself in for a fitting with you.
I understand why there was no Srixon ZX7 tested but why no Cobra King Tour? It has had some great reviews and sits in the 32 degree loft region.
the odd face impact...would love to (chasing a theory) understand if you have LED lights, and if they are flicker free LED's the frequency they flicker (if not flicker free) can be off when the Quad is trying to see the ball, and as such, the visual at time of impact might be black, and yet the numbers still catch...and data accuracy is golden...just chasing theory...
Watching this now. This fitting session is pretty identical to the one I had with Ross a couple of weeks ago. Just that my ball striking was not as good 😂 being a 15 handicapper. The irons fitting session I had was excellent as well and helped me make the right decisions for my next set of irons and goal setting.
Hey Raj! Yeah my process is always somewhat the same, lots of testing! 😂 Thanks for the comment and glad you enjoyed the fitting with me 👍👍
What did you end up going with?
We fitted Rajeev for a set of T150s but he didn't purchase them so I'm not sure if he did decide to purchase them and got them elsewhere and is gaming them, or possibly decided to stick with his original irons for a little bit longer possibly and may change when he gets down a little bit lower
@@jgdbb30004 Since I wasn't comfortable with investing in a new set of clubs after this fitting session, I bought a used set made up of T200 (5 and 6) and T100s (7-PW). AMT Red shafts. Iam very happy with the set and my game is improving. Once my overall technique improves, I'll probably have another session with Ross and see what to do next.
The reason I did not buy a new set from Ross is because I wanted to rectify some of the fundamental aspects of my swing first and get comfortable with the irons before setting with a new set.
Interesting watching this as ive just been through a similar process myself. Trying the same clubs over a couple of sessions to minimise the influence of swing fatigue during the process. With my pro, and GC Quad, i tested various combinations of club head and shaft.
I loved the look of the Ping i525 but they performed no better than my current Stealth irons, even though i was hitting them sweet as. I tried Titleist T150 and T200s, but saw negligible improvement.
I tried Callaway Apex and hit them well but similar negligible benefit observed......and then got my hands on Paradym. Ridiculously tight dispersion, and a minimum of fifteen yards gained (longest was +32yds) overvthe two sessions.
I then took my current 7 iron and a couple of those clubs to the range and repeated the process in a more 'real world' scenario. The results on both the Toptracer and Trackman ranges were consistent with each other and the GC Quad data. Paradym was hands down the best club for me.
Moral of the story: trust the data rather than the fitter unless you know your fitter and trust them, and hit plenty of balls before settling on a decision.
Hey Tomas, sounds like a great process you went through to find a very good result, which is brilliant to hear. With the Paradym obviously being strong lofted irons as long as the peak height and angle of descent numbers are optimal, and the gapping all the way throughout is good then that's brilliant. Those are the 2 biggest issues I find with strong lofted sets, but as long as they do fit your delivery and speed you should be fine. I hope they go well for you and help you improve your scores 👌👍
Having done a bit of reading around, I knew the Paradym irons had stronger lofts than my stealth irons so expected some additional carry.
I was surprised to see that the paradyms whilst giving me more carry also stopped as quick as the irons I was hitting twenty yards less.
The numbers for the different clubs just left the paradyms as head and shoulders the best suited for me.
@@tomasjalowiecki8911 brilliant stuff 👍
I dont see how you came to that Moral? where did your fitter do anything not to be trusted?
@@krusher74in my case my fitter didn't as I've been working with him for a long time and he has helped me develop to the point where my clubs were no longer optimal. As we've been working together I've learned what affects the data and how. Other folk might not, and might simply follow the fitters recommendation without being able to evaluate the data themselves.
What is the background music playing? Love it and the in depth fitting.
2 stroke penalty for altering the playing chracteristics of the club
hi before i look at booking do you have long irons as well 4/5 iron in the heads?
He’ll not be off 10 for long if the rest of his game’s as good as his mid irons
For T150, Titleist calls it the “faster players iron”
He should use shaft leen to git the face more in the center!
2:04 Should his head be swinging like this ? Does that change anything in the swing?
Alex can get a little bit tilty at times which comes from a bit of a sway. We did have a bit of a chat about that though the fitting and it's something he's working on 👌 but yeah it can certainly lead to low point issues causing thins and fats - and for most people causes a bit too much loft to be delivered. Alex's loft generally wasn't too bad as he has a slightly stronger grip which counteracts the move a bit
10 Hdc 😂 maybe at top golf
hi mate, potentially looking at getting a fit done soon ( Irons ) I want to go more into Graphite shafts i play of 15hcp, just wanted to know what sort of Iron head's i should be looking at? thinking Zx5'sMK11 / p790 Apex pro's ect.. any thought's? cheers dude
Hey Grogesy. Unfortunately it's impossible to say. I don't look at irons in handicap ranges because that's really the worst way you can look at irons. The biggest thing is how much loft do you deliver at impact. If you are a bit of a scooper than a set with stronger lofts will be better for you. If you are someone that hits down a lot and takes off a lot of loft at impact then you need to be looking at a more traditionally lofted iron set, regardless of what your Handicap is 👍 and no brand is any better than anyone else, generally a 32* 7 iron, they all perform pretty much the same, so Mizuno 223, Titlesit T150, Srixon ZX7, it's just all about the head that clicks best with you, that's the biggest thing that matters. So get the loft right for your delivery and then test as many heads as you can around that loft 👍