Filled with Hornady One Shot, did I ruin them?
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"You're getting it on the outside of you brass"
Yes, that's the point.
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That's exactly what I was thinking, lol 🤦♂️
My thought exactly.
Not what I expected! Very cool!
Thanks Gavin!!
Im glad you stated what is cool so I dont have to waste 20 minutes watching it.
Additionally I hope Fclass chokes on the ads money. You should add even more ads. And more.
Hi John,
Did you notice any difference with the carbon on the fired case necks / shoulder with the test rounds soaked in ‘ one shot ‘ compared to the cases without ‘ one shot ‘ inside?
I use OneShot too, convenient and super easy to use. Time saved when reloading justifies the spend on one shot.
What if it hits a primer???? You are supposed to size your brass before seating your primers. So my brass have no primers in them when I size them. Not sure who those folks are but I would guess they don’t know how to reload. Also, you need lube inside the necks as well as outside. Like I posted before, I have never had to wipe these off after sizing. Those others who have issues need to
Learn the process for reloading correctly. Now the old greasy lube pads we used to roll the brass on, those weee awful, but that’s all we had back in the day. But the One Shot, I just hope they never stop making it. It is THE BEST ever.
How dare you spread fact or common sense in the comments!
It's supposed to be a place of opinion and misinformation.
I was about to write the same... I may have missed the point but, when time comes to prime the cases, the lube time has gone far long ago... Lube comes first to resize and cleaning comes next so... Again, I may have missed the point...
Mate so we’ll said 😁
I've had good success with One Shot. I would have guessed that soaking the primer like that would have made some sort of difference, if not deactivate the primer entirely. I guess it really is powder and primer safe! Thanks for testing this!
I really expected the primers to be deactivated when flooded.
Writing this at the time of exactly 69 comments. "we're going to test it out and see what it does to your loads..."
Womp womp
+1
Bruh
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Not those loads...
Been using One Shot since it came on the market. I purposely make sure the inside of the case necks get a light coating. Sure makes neck expanding easier and bullet seating more consistent. Thanks for going to the extreme by soaking the primers. Always wondered what that would do.
Good test. The inside filled brass was an extreme example of "inside" so a slight spray reaching the inside would likely make even less difference if there was a difference at all. Again, the outside coating was the extreme and as Paul Harrell would say, not enough difference to make a difference. As the price of One Shot falls prey to Bidenomics I've taken to making my own spray lube. I use the Dillon spritz bottle their lube came in, use a mix of denatured alcohol and some name brand high viscosity lube. I've notice no difference in lube performance and run about 80% less in cost, maybe more. The solution really does show how little lube is needed. Easy enough to increase or decrease lube concentration.
that sounda alot like baristol silicone lube and denatured alcohol. i use that in my air rifles.
One Shot has worked well for me, too. I have loaded between 600-700 rounds this year in different rifles and pistols and have had zero issues.
You went to a lot of expense and trouble for this test and I 'm sure everybody appreciates it. Thank you. I always thought once your barrel gets hot your accuracy goes out the window. Evidently not.
Well when your barrel is a truck axle with a hole in it, it takes a lot more than a few shots to heat up 😄
Thank you for spending time/ resources to do this experiment and sharing the process.
The heavy bolt lift on the outside lube cases is probably due the case walls not gripping the chamber as well as clean brass. This causes an increase in bolt thrust and stretched cases.
It would be interesting to measure the shoulder on the virgin and outside cases to see if there is any measurable difference.
Good work John, this will help a lot of people.
This is FANTASTIC DATA, great video. Now this is my favorite type of content. Well done sir well done. Now I know let me tell you how i was going after it so afraid of this. I would turn. The brass upside down in the loading block. Take it outside spray from all four sides let dry in the sun. Very time consuming. Not any more back to the bag trick I go had been doing that for years.
Awsome video! I feel you put my concerns o rest ! Thanks John !
Thanks for doing this, more peace of mind using One Shot!
This is actually a very interesting test. Thank you John. I wonder what would happen if the 1-Shot was left case-fill loads were left to sit for a while, like a few weeks. That is, do what you did with the cartridges that you fill up the case and then dump it out, and then put the powder in and bullet in, and then let it sit for a couple weeks. I suspect the hang-fire stuff would be worse, or they might not shoot at all. Something I'll have to test.
If it does not affect the function, after a thorough soak for a couple of minutes, it's not likely to make much of a difference since it's actually intended to be safe. I'm not a fan soaking primers in anything, but this stuff obviously did not hurt performance at all. I'd be curious to know what results you get though.
2.38" 15 round group at 300yd is amazing precision. I thought for sure your primers would be ruined in those inside spray rounds. I'm definitely going to check out this Hornady lube.
Great video and Ad for Hornady... Thanks John
Picked up this lubrication protocol from the "miles to matches" podcast and I believe they credited F Class John - works perfectly. I've loaded over 3K rifle rounds using it with zero issues.
Mist brass in a bag. Do a "Shake & Bake" with the bag to get it everywhere. Size it. Put it in the media because I'm too lazy to wipe it individually.
Previously I was using wax. Switching to this method of lubrication cut 12 minutes per hundred from my loading time and it's easier on my hands.
Never had an issue with one shot. Love it.
I've been using One Shot for many years without any trouble, thanks for the video and test
I am just a varmint hunter but had at one time, 3 custom varmint rifles. I have used nothing but one shot for decades. Never had to wipe it off and got BR accuracy from my varmint rifles. I won’t use any other super greasy lines. This is the best. And it a dry lube. You can use it on your sliding glass door tracks also.
Never thought of that for glass doors.
Good video. Thanks for sharing and sparing me the bother of running the test myself. Im surprised the oil didnt spoil the primer and cause a dud. One shot is good stuff. Ive use it before. Personally I like Imperial wax myself and I ultrasonically clean the cases after sizing with get rid of the wax and carbon inside the case.
Ive used One Shot since it first came out. Most complaints are about stuck cases. The trick is it has to set or dry if you will. You have to spray your brass put it under a bright light and you can watch it change over from a liquid to a lube. When its ready it will glaze over like very light frost on a glass. It takes a couple minutes to happen. Great stuff.
One shot is all i ever use. Good stuff!
Awesome test! I thought it was crazy filling the cases with the primers in them, but didn't seem to make much difference.👍
Great vid Johno, well done mate, cheers Yogi ✌️🤙🇦🇺
I'd be curious to see how they might be affected by the One Shot after being stored for a year. I've used One Shot and still occasionally do, but for the most part I'm using Hornady Unique lube for sizing and powdered graphite for neck expansion. Excess graphite is eliminated during chamfer/deburring with a bore brush through the neck. After viewing your results, I may go back to One Shot. It would be nice if Hornady offered a non-aerosol liquid version of One Shot for swabbing or dipping case necks.
Thank you for sharing.
Love your videos I’ve been using one shot for years and I spray into necks before sizing and I don’t clean after I haven’t noticed any difference other than my brass doesn’t stay as shiny
Been using one shot for years, lay brass on a cookie sheet and spray, then roll them around by shaking back and forth and then spray lightly again to get an even coating.
Great video John! Very interesting results, not what I expected!
Love the purple shirt! Would like a couple of them, but don't see them on your website? Will they be available sometime? Thanks again for all you do!
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Thanks, I really like Hornady's One Shot as well. The vast majority of my shooting and reloading is 9mm. I put the cleaned cases in a plastic container, give them a light spray and shake the around, then repeat the procedure. After giving them time to dry I'll dump them in the case feeder and away I go. Now it is fine to load these cases using carbide dies without any lube, but the press runs a lot smoother with the lubed cases. P.S. I have found Midway to have the best price.
Interesting video mate. I too use One shot. I’ve never had a problem, however I’ve never had it on a primer lol. Thanks for you’re time.
John, have you found any difference in how the rifle cools laying horizontally (as it appears you left if in this video) vs. standing up vertically so the barrel acts like a "stove pipe" which at least in theory should pull cooler air in thru the bottom (chamber) and cool the barrel as it rises? The latter is how I have always done it. But, I realize that this may not be available to you in competition. I have never been to a match. So I really do not know.
I've heard the theory and I guess it makes sense but I've never tested or worried about it. Often times it's not practical at a match so if I'm in a situation with back to back relays and don't have much time to let it cool then I just throw a barrel cooler in.
Fantastic video! Thanks for sharing. I also love one-shot for all sorts of stuff.
Like?
Such as a release agent when bedding a stock, a cleaner for my shop table tops, milling machine bed. I have used it to clean guitar fretboard, etc
I've been using One Shot since a video of yours years ago--when you discussed the importance of cleaning your dies when you change lube. I line mine up on a cookie sheet with the open necks facing me. Do a light spray from one end of the line, roll them over and do it again. I intentionally get some in the necks. Then FL size, de-cap and mandrel size. Then I hand wipe each one only because they feel a little sticky and leave a residue on my hands when I'm shooting. I don't believe the wiping affects the cartridge at all though. I would like to know find out if getting it inside my necks is helping or hurting neck tension though.
Hey John..Great video
I've had it not do the sane as you.
First question?
What brand of primers dud you use?
My issues with No Fire was with CCI Large Rifle Magnum.
2nd Question.
Hiw long did you leave One Shit inside case before emptying ut out?
My brass/primers had some spray on ot and in it.I lube in a zip lock baggie sane as you.I loaded the brass with powder Vihta Vuori N570 and Reloder 50. When mine and my shooting partners did not go vang.
We both used CCI Primers out of sane box of 1000.
So we changed to Federal 215 and CCI BENCH REST.
I had latex gloves on same as you.
The other time I had issues I used Unique case by Hornady.
We were shoiting 375 Cheytac and 300 PRC and a 30 Sherman Magnum and 33XC.
Ive/we have not had any issues in a long time.
I'm just a lot more careful loading now.
AMAZING..
I'd lost that bet for sure
I've started using One Shot on my case necks before mandrel expanding instead of dry lube. I was slightly concerned, but this video set my mind at ease. Thanks John !
Glad it helped
Great to see you on the right side of the camera buddy 😊
Try Woolite in your wet tumbler in place of Dawn. It’s made to remove lanolin….smells great too. It should remove all of your case lube, in and out. Great channel, thanks for all your helpful information.
Great test John I was expecting the worst on this test .Just for info I noticed the stock and rifle really twisting or torquing to the right while you were shooting .Is this normal with the larger calibers and the high end rest you guys use . I’m sorry but I study all you top shooters body posture and hold to maybe pick up on something I can learn from .Thanks for all you share with us!
I would also be worried about longterm copper-brass bonding in say shelved hunting loads. Do you have experience or suggestions in this regard?
I dumped the velocities into a spreadsheet to calculate the median MV, ES, & SD. I have it in PDF format. Is there a way to upload it?
Do you think a lanoline based lube would be fine being not being cleaned off after sizing? Wondering if it would contaminate powder over weeks or months being loaded.
I still use it. I Full length size my brass. Then throw it in tumbler to clean. After cleaning i go thru check every primer. Make sure the primer pocket is clear. I still use media.
I use Hornady One Shot. It works great for me. The only way you'll have a problem is if you don't use enough, as far as I'm concerned. If you are really worried about getting excess lube in your case, give the cases a quick cleaning after resizing.
I'm curious if there is any chance of the remaining lube in the filled cases fouling the barrel and affect the grouping of the other loaded rounds. I like that you grouped them all together and shot them in the order as done but I would have also liked to have seen a separate shooting of each with the barrel not possibly fouled by the filled cases. I ask because I also re-clean my cases after sizing with lube.
I've used 1-shot for years basically the same way as you loading range recovered brass in pistol calibers from 9mm to .45ACP. No problems whatsoever. The press runs much smoother and I never clean it off or try to dry the casings afterwards.
I love videos like this where there are different schools of thought and then someone (you in this case) goes out and tests it. Fan-friggin-tastic! I'm a creature of habit, so I'll stick to my old ways of cleaning off the lube just because it makes me feel better, but now I know that it's not terribly important if I miss one.
Thank you for the kind words and glad you enjoyed the video.
Hornady one shot is the absolute best lube out there. The only issue is the instructions on how to use it are dead wrong. They say to spray your cases in a reloading block. Don’t do that because you won’t coat the bottom of of the cases and they will stick. I spray them in a gallon plastic pail and shake them around to evenly distribute it and never have an issue. I even use it to form wildcats. I like your bag method as well, I never thought of that.
Another interesting video. I have always tried to keep it away from the inside and primers. I might not be so careful now.
My only question is would it have an effect over time if the cases were loaded and stored for a while?
I've never had a problem with it sitting for a year or two. All goes "bang" when I wanted it to.
But, I also keep moisture wick packs with all loaded ammunition.
Hey John been using One shot for years. Saw you using a plastic bag. I use a bank bag or a pillow case and it works a treat. Just don't wash it . Also use a pillow case for pistol cases with silicone lubricant. Spray the bag first then add cases. Cheers Paul from Australia ..
I use this exclusively and I have had great results. I spray down my bullets with one-shot before seating into the case. It allows for consistent seating pressure and I have very consistent MV.
I was wondering how it would work seating bullets in new virgin brass, as I will get some ring dents in my bullets on many of my 1st loads in virgin new brass using a Forster Ultra Micrometer Seating die. These dents lead to very inconsistent seating depth for those rounds. Most likely, due to inconsistent neck tension on those cases. I have tried light coating of dry graphite lube in the necks and around the bullet base, but still get some with excessive neck tension despite running the brass without bumping the shoulder through a full length bushing die with the expander ball and a bushing that should only give me only 0.002" neck tension to open up any dented necks.
@@daveenriquez7790 I use a full length die, no expander ball, then I open up the neck with an expander mandrel 0.0015 smaller than bullet diameter. The mandrel is well lubed. I am also sure to dechamfer the inside of the neck, and the bullets are lubed with one-shot when I seat them. Graphite is messy and inconsistent, at least for me.
@whiskeytango9769 Thanks for the reply. I chamfered and debured the necks. I just have never experienced this excessive ring dent on my Hornady 175 ELD-X bullets in new Hornady 7mm PRC Brass using a Forster micrometer seating die. I have seated many ELD-X, VLD/ELD-M bullets in .308, .270 Win and 30-06 with Hornady dies on my Hornady Press with the appropriate ELD/VLD seating and never had this extreme of an issue other than with my New Forster Micrometer Seating die in 7PRC. My friend has the same die set but is using a Forster Co-Ax press and doesn't seem to have this issue 😕?
I use it to lube the links for my Stoner 63a before I link the ammo. Works great and doesn't pick up dirt like oil and it says its primer safe.
I've used it. Always wondered what effect it would have getting it inside the case. I never really noticed anything weird but i never did a tedt like this either. I mostly use the homemade lanolin lube now on bulk cases and imperial sizing wax on smaller batches.
Like you, I usually tumble them for a few minutes after sizing to clean them up a little.
What about changing neck diameter during resizing. Have you seen any issues?
If only I can find it
my neck of the woods lol. One Shot works great and you don’t really have to clean it off unless you load up ammo to store in bulk for years and years then one might want to clean it all off before loading up your cases.
Thanks John
Brave test John!
Thank you. Dumping my 99% and Lanolin mix. Your channel is great!! Not like Erik’s Channel. Can you believe he recommended CLR! We tried to warn him it was a bad idea but he won’t listen…
That’s ALL I use for case lube. I. Feel like it all depends on how you load. I walnut tumble and anneal after FL sizing and I don’t have a problem.
Cool test. Very interesting
Would the cases coated on the outside cause bolt thrust issues?
Looks like quite a few hits on that concrete, negligent discharges or trying to shoot long range with heavy subsonic rounds?
Ive been using it since it came out, never looked back.
I line my brass up in a straight line and spray a quick pass down the line spraying perpendicular to the line of cases-one pass from each side. I hold the can so that the spray tube is angled down about 20 degrees and lined up with the case mouths. This allows some of the spray to impact the inside of the neck without any spray even getting into the powder containing part of the case.
Bullet seating pressure is VERY consistent
Question-I seem to remember reading that it was important to clean the brass of the resizing compound because it increased the bolt thrust dramatically due to the fact that the lubricated brass would not momentarily “grab” the chamber as the case expanded during the instant of firing causing very high pressure on the bolt face. Is this a wives tale or have you heard of this? I’ve been taking a paper towel slightly dampened with rubbing alcohol and wiping the cases down before boxing them.
Yes, I believe what you described with the case momentarily expanding and NOT sticking to the chamber wall during firing and slamming back against the bolt face. I have accidentally shot rounds in a chamber that may have dripped a drop or two of gun cleaning solvent from the tip of my bore guide when I removed it during the one shot clean stage on barrel brake in. This caused extensive ejector marks with brass flow as well as a hard bolt lift mimicking way over pressure signs in factory ammo in a 7mm PRC. It took me 5 shots to figure this out, duh 🤦♂️
I only use One Shot case lube with no issues long as it’s evenly dispersed. Using RCBS case holders and spraying evenly at 45 degree angle. Approximately 3000-4000 cases a year. The cases on the perimeter may get less lube so if the case feels tight I add a bit more to that case. One caveat is over applying lube can result in shoulder dimples. I’m confused by using One Shot on primed cases as it’s the last step in my reloading. My sequence is deprime-clean-anneal-size-trim-clean -prime-reload
Ive had stuck cases with this method. Now i use imperial case sizing wax. Never had a single case get stuck in over 40,000 rounds.
Poor application would cause that
@@phil6299 Imperial sizing wax is just better.
I’m super happy with the timing of this video. Beginner reloader here. My gf’s dad told me to use the one shot. Haven’t had any other lube in my brand new dies or any of my other reloading gear. Excited to see how well it works for me in my lube virgin environment. Thanks for doing this test it helped dispel any of my worries as a new reloader. Does this product require cleaned brass inside and out? I’ve seen some reloaders recommend it’s not worth the time cleaning the brass thoroughly and was planning on only giving mine a wipe down and a neck brushing.
I know plenty of people who don't clean brass other than wiping it down. I only tumble to get the lube off personally.
@@FClassJohn Great info, thanks! I’ll probably just wipe down and use your bag method for lube application after. Hopefully I get no issues!
What is the tool you were using to measure the spread?
Interesting results. Not expected.
I aint switching from my lube. But, still interesting. I never felt it caused inaccuracies just was messy and prone to even lube application issues.
If you wet tumble, rinse the lube off before you tumble. I flip my cases upside right so the excess lube flows to the base, reduces/prevents dented shoulders. I love one shot, but because everything costs a fortune I use lanolin and alcohol.
Can anyone tell me what the structure is for at that range?is it concrete?the structure he is shooting under
I use lanolin and 90% alcohol for lube and size then tumble. The only issue with my process is the neck rim rounds inward, but that is taken care of when I chamfer.
Have you ever had any luck shooting a 1000 yard match with an es of 86? Talk about vertical issues
Excellent vid.....
Just a ? I was thinking you were going to shoot 5 shots groups of each of brass and see if groups were better than others with the different case lubing
He did that as well as he separated the round robin groups by selecting 1, 4, 7, 10, 13 etc. It just was not presented in a form you are used to looking at. Result was very little difference, and there was not enough shots to be definitive.
Thxx
Well nuff said
Seing as a 24hr soak in water will destroy the powder charge and the primer charge, I wonder what a 24hr soak will do to the primer. This would be a good way to see if there are longer term impacts of sure shot getting into the brass.
Very cool. Smooth action. Is that a woox chassis on your rifle?
No. It’s a Dima stock
@@FClassJohn Very nice! 👍🏻🤙🏼
@ 12:15 ----> That group would be under an inch on the X & Y axis, without the #11 "flyer"... 😉
What Brand of Primers did you use ?
CCI 200
Do you take requests? For those of us loading on Dilon 550 and 750 - wondering about same test using their lanolin-based spray lube? I just unloaded and emptied about 250 rounds (don't laugh, it was my screwup with under-charging). I've now got 250 primed cases and was wondering about using the spray lube - similar application of the lube sprayed onto the primed cases, reloading and shooting again. This is just my 223 55gr FMJBT "plinking" load, not my 6.5 PRC with 140 VLD Berger.
Suprised it didnt kill the primers after soaking. But the alcohol evaporates out i suppose. Also, who the F lubes and resizes after priming? Thats a great way to potentially get a clogged primer hole and not realize it.
I had always heard about oil killing primers. I tried it one time and squirted some WD40 into primed cases and let them sit for a while. I tried firing them at some point later and they all went off with a loud bang.
That stuff works, but if you read the back label it seems it’s pretty toxic
I quit using it and went to the Dillon spray on it’s basically Lanolin I also make my own
What actually is it? A kind of silicon spray?
I've used oneshot with good results. I use lanolin now because it's cheaper, but i would have zero reservations about going back to oneshot.
Who can tell me the name of that locking rifle rest? I'd like to have one.
It’s a SEB NeoX
I've looked through comments and also your list of videos. I hope you can forgive me for being a dummy and asking some newby questions. I'm profoundly impressed with your rifle rest - the long rods providing such delicate control. I also dont think ive seen such a rifle stock design and heavy barrel arrangement. Im assuming its for precision target shooting / ammunition testing rather than varmint hunting. Could you elaborate on your equipment or maybe do a video on it? Im getting too old i think for running around in the woods but have enjoyed target shooting in the past. I may not be able to afford such a rig but id like to have a better understanding of it.
Here's two videos I did on that. th-cam.com/video/QqUkuSKPmgA/w-d-xo.html and th-cam.com/video/UrRKTsQUV1A/w-d-xo.html
I already thought the primer that got soaked would not work, I was wrong.😊
never tried 1 shot, I use Unique and wipe off most, I tried the RCBS spray and hated it.
What caliber are you shooting and at what distance?
7prcw at 300yds
Isn't the lube supposed to get on the outside of the brass?
Some people also use it to lube inside neck for seating as well.
very cool
Is there anyone who loads long action magnum rounds and uses one shot?? I started with that, but after several suck cases and damaged dies, I switched to imperial die wax for all but my 223.
What camera and scoring system are you using?
I'm using the Shotmarker system.
@@FClassJohn thank you!
What software are you using on the pad?
It’s a Shotmarker system
@@FClassJohn Was looking at Ballistic X, however yours seems better.
one shot has the same sheep wool oil( lanolin )as the home made lube has I just don't know what carrier one shot uses
Wow! I thought the filled cases would have destroyed the primers.