I like the pitch control levers that old gramophone record players have because sometimes the 78 rpm speed on the dial is too fast for the particular artist (or it might be due to the age and wear of the mechanism). For example, when I listened to my Al Jolson records at 78 rpm on my Empire floor model or Victrola or HMV table top models, his voice was too high-pitched and since I was very familiar with how his voice should sound deeper, I merely moved the pitch control lever to the left to reduce speed to 75 or 76 rpm for proper pitch. :)
It amazes me how something can hold so much history. One of the reasons why I returned to Records. A simpler time and something you can hold and really admire.
Machines of the 1930t1959 era even though ACIUSTIC were made for ELECTIC😊r😊records. Many machines labeled ORTHOPHONIÇ were spring-motored ACOUSTIC but made to play 😅💡 S.
The early electrics could be played on acoustic machines the later ones recorde after 1925 or 26 were recommended played on electric amplified machines due to possibly damaging the reproducer
I was at the broadcasting museum in St. Louis Park, MN, and they had an orthophonic setup, so I could hear it in person. And I was impressed. It was pretty good sounding. FR sounded more natural.
Based on the labels, the sound and appearance and the fact that it was electrically recorded I'd guess early 1930's.---Well, I was about as close as I could get without knowing the actual year :) Did you know that in the early 1930's RCA produced 30 minute 33 rpm records? They're very rare today as they were only good for about 10 plays before they were worn out.
I think electronic recording started around 1923. I saw a really cool interview with Jack Mullen or Mullin (I can't remember how to spell his last name). He's the guy that helped Bing Crosby implement getting Ampex going. His story was remarkable.
Definitely at the earliest--note the VE in a diamond in the dead wax, instead of the earlier oval. The diamond indicates RCA equipment was used; oval indicated all Western Electric. Diamond symbol records were when ribbon mics were first used. There is a case of a 10" Victor pop record that, depending on when it was pressed, will be a batwing acoustic, a batwing electric, or a scroll 'Orthophonic' electric. It's 19427, Vernon Dalhart's 'The prisoner's song' b/w 'The wreck of the old 97'. The first acoustic recording was made in August 1924, released in November, and it became a massive hit record just as Victor began to inch toward electrical recording. It was still selling so well in March 1926 they had him re-record both sides electrically, but kept the same catalogue number. In September of 1926, around the time 20101 was released (the first Victor record to be released on a scroll label and not previously on a batwing label) new copies of the electric 19427 gradually appeared with the scroll label, with which it remained until the record was deleted from the catalogue in 1934.
Hey, those are pretty cool. I had never even actually heard of those up until now. I have some small 78's but they're made of colored plastic and were made for children's suitcase 78 players in the 40's & 50's that have an electric motor but an acoustic reproducer and horn. Speaking of which, I just got a player of that type on ebay for a total of $18.76 yesterday :) A Vanity Fair model 600.
Despite what a lot of people say, playing electrically recorded records on an acoustic phonograph won't damage it. If you're playing an electrically recorded record with a pre-electric era reproducer, it won't sound as good due to those older reproducers not being able to reproduce higher/lower frequencies. But since a lot of people were still using acoustic players, they simply manufactured reproducers capable of reaching those higher and lower range frequencies for sound quality that could keep up with the new recording technology. Techmoan talked about it a good video on it a while back: th-cam.com/video/AYn7aZZBMRA/w-d-xo.html&t
Just don’t play the really loud ones from the 40s and 50s as those have so much groove movement that the needle on acoustic players often destroys the groove
The first decade of Electrical records are fine on Otho machines like a Credenza or 8-4 but beyond that records were made for strictly electrical pick-ups.
TechMoan is the first to admit he's no source of good advice with these phonographs -- why not listen to experts with decades of experience who have already made the mistakes so that you don't have to? Or the engineers who designed these machines themselves? They'll all tell you DON'T play electric discs on acoustic machines from before 1925, because the excessive modulation in the groove can lead to cracks in the mica diaphragm of earlier reproducers, which were never designed for the compliance necessary to prevent the needle from stripping out the inner groove walls of those over modulated grooves. This is not rocket science. This is also not an opinion. And they will also all tell you there is a reason we only play one side per needle with standard needles -- Yes, even as 7-in record is plenty long enough to reshape the tip of a needle enough that it becomes a chisel for the second record it plays. They cost $0.08 for a billion of them, stop needlessly destroying records! 🙄 Also, adjust your speed, it's playing way too fast, about 85rpm.
A close view of the label would clinch it: if there is any mention of "RCA", that would date it after 1929, when they bought out Victor. Glad you didn't play the Vogue on this machine: those were not meant to be played with heavy, acoustic reproducers.
muchly love Mr Victor,Sounding So well,despite Having been beaten up..I heard some terrifying sounds coming from a Phonograph recently,but elaborate..i need not !!!! Guess of Hazard,...Released 24 August 2024 ???????...
So looking at the label the scrolled victor label it is late 20's early 30's which is interesting. Now there was a lot of 6" and 7" children's 78s put out in the 50's and 60's by golden records and Peter Pan and even Disneyland in that time frame
Pretty neat I collect talking machines and old records and I have some 7 inch records I have an orthophonic u inch recording of Winnie the pooh songs I also have some from 1901-1902 period as the 7 inch size was acually the first size of 78s
I like the pitch control levers that old gramophone record players have because sometimes the 78 rpm speed on the dial is too fast for the particular artist (or it might be due to the age and wear of the mechanism).
For example, when I listened to my Al Jolson records at 78 rpm on my Empire floor model or Victrola or HMV table top models, his voice was too high-pitched and since I was very familiar with how his voice should sound deeper, I merely moved the pitch control lever to the left to reduce speed to 75 or 76 rpm for proper pitch. :)
It amazes me how something can hold so much history. One of the reasons why I returned to Records. A simpler time and something you can hold and really admire.
Agreed!
I believe HMV had available an acoustic machine as late as 1959-60. Not everyone had mains electricity then.
Yep, the 102 portable was made from 1932 all the way up to 1958. Mine was made in 1935.
@@pip5528Yeah, and it started manufacturing in 1931.
Machines of the 1930t1959 era even though ACIUSTIC were made for ELECTIC😊r😊records.
Many machines labeled ORTHOPHONIÇ were spring-motored ACOUSTIC but made to play 😅💡 S.
@@pip5528 An autistic girl I know had a Decca portable
The early electrics could be played on acoustic machines the later ones recorde after 1925 or 26 were recommended played on electric amplified machines due to possibly damaging the reproducer
They made acoustic machines with reproducers specially designed for electric recording until the late 1950’s
Love the glimpses into the past you provide through your hobby and channel
Thank you!
Here in the UK you could buy an acoustic wind up gramophone up till 1957. I'm pretty sure you'd be able to play your new Elvis 78 on them.
Ah! Yes, one of the many things that keeps awake at night, the sounds of gramophone motor spinning.
I was at the broadcasting museum in St. Louis Park, MN, and they had an orthophonic setup, so I could hear it in person. And I was impressed. It was pretty good sounding. FR sounded more natural.
Beautiful Gramophone, and interesting record!!
Many thanks!
The VE Orthophonic records and Orthophonic Victrolas were designed as a system by Bell Telephone Laboratories.
Also specially those records tend to he from around 1928 to the end of the 30s as 40s 7 inch records were made of pvc
Based on the labels, the sound and appearance and the fact that it was electrically recorded I'd guess early 1930's.---Well, I was about as close as I could get without knowing the actual year :) Did you know that in the early 1930's RCA produced 30 minute 33 rpm records? They're very rare today as they were only good for about 10 plays before they were worn out.
Only the 12 inch 33s went fast due to the material, I’m pretty sure. The smaller 10 inch was still shellac.
I think electronic recording started around 1923. I saw a really cool interview with Jack Mullen or Mullin (I can't remember how to spell his last name). He's the guy that helped Bing Crosby implement getting Ampex going. His story was remarkable.
The first experiments with electric recording were made in the early 1920s; however, regular commercial pressings were not issued until 1925.
Actually it was 1925
these records are from 1931
Unfair advantage
@@Recordology oops yeah i commented before watching. sorry about that. :)
hahahahahaaha
Definitely at the earliest--note the VE in a diamond in the dead wax, instead of the earlier oval. The diamond indicates RCA equipment was used; oval indicated all Western Electric. Diamond symbol records were when ribbon mics were first used.
There is a case of a 10" Victor pop record that, depending on when it was pressed, will be a batwing acoustic, a batwing electric, or a scroll 'Orthophonic' electric. It's 19427, Vernon Dalhart's 'The prisoner's song' b/w 'The wreck of the old 97'. The first acoustic recording was made in August 1924, released in November, and it became a massive hit record just as Victor began to inch toward electrical recording. It was still selling so well in March 1926 they had him re-record both sides electrically, but kept the same catalogue number. In September of 1926, around the time 20101 was released (the first Victor record to be released on a scroll label and not previously on a batwing label) new copies of the electric 19427 gradually appeared with the scroll label, with which it remained until the record was deleted from the catalogue in 1934.
One suggestion is to close the lid to reduce disk noise.
Hey, those are pretty cool. I had never even actually heard of those up until now. I have some small 78's but they're made of colored plastic and were made for children's suitcase 78 players in the 40's & 50's that have an electric motor but an acoustic reproducer and horn. Speaking of which, I just got a player of that type on ebay for a total of $18.76 yesterday :) A Vanity Fair model 600.
Despite what a lot of people say, playing electrically recorded records on an acoustic phonograph won't damage it. If you're playing an electrically recorded record with a pre-electric era reproducer, it won't sound as good due to those older reproducers not being able to reproduce higher/lower frequencies. But since a lot of people were still using acoustic players, they simply manufactured reproducers capable of reaching those higher and lower range frequencies for sound quality that could keep up with the new recording technology.
Techmoan talked about it a good video on it a while back:
th-cam.com/video/AYn7aZZBMRA/w-d-xo.html&t
I heard it has to do with orthophonic records being too loud for the gaskets of an older reproducer.....
Just don’t play the really loud ones from the 40s and 50s as those have so much groove movement that the needle on acoustic players often destroys the groove
The first decade of Electrical records are fine on Otho machines like a Credenza or 8-4 but beyond that records were made for strictly electrical pick-ups.
TechMoan is the first to admit he's no source of good advice with these phonographs -- why not listen to experts with decades of experience who have already made the mistakes so that you don't have to? Or the engineers who designed these machines themselves? They'll all tell you DON'T play electric discs on acoustic machines from before 1925, because the excessive modulation in the groove can lead to cracks in the mica diaphragm of earlier reproducers, which were never designed for the compliance necessary to prevent the needle from stripping out the inner groove walls of those over modulated grooves. This is not rocket science. This is also not an opinion.
And they will also all tell you there is a reason we only play one side per needle with standard needles -- Yes, even as 7-in record is plenty long enough to reshape the tip of a needle enough that it becomes a chisel for the second record it plays. They cost $0.08 for a billion of them, stop needlessly destroying records! 🙄
Also, adjust your speed, it's playing way too fast, about 85rpm.
I’m guessing late 20’s or early 30’s?
Love this record player and record
A close view of the label would clinch it: if there is any mention of "RCA", that would date it after 1929, when they bought out Victor.
Glad you didn't play the Vogue on this machine: those were not meant to be played with heavy, acoustic reproducers.
Does anyone know how to find replacement covers for records that have lost them or it ripped up over time
th-cam.com/video/H6izunzP6WI/w-d-xo.html check this out
I am guessing 1925 to 1927
Really good early kids record.still love the vita nola.i think they date to the 30s or 40s
muchly love Mr Victor,Sounding So well,despite Having been beaten up..I heard some terrifying sounds coming from a Phonograph recently,but elaborate..i need not !!!! Guess of Hazard,...Released 24 August 2024 ???????...
So looking at the label the scrolled victor label it is late 20's early 30's which is interesting. Now there was a lot of 6" and 7" children's 78s put out in the 50's and 60's by golden records and Peter Pan and even Disneyland in that time frame
I would date this record at about 1926 or 1927. Tell me, please.
Pretty neat I collect talking machines and old records and I have some 7 inch records I have an orthophonic u inch recording of Winnie the pooh songs I also have some from 1901-1902 period as the 7 inch size was acually the first size of 78s
I love the old look to old phonographs. Suck beautiful things from its time.
I guessed that the record is from early 1926, it is surprising that it is from 1931.
I guess around 1925.
Im guessing 1925 - 1930
I’d say 1925 the year 🤔
Maybe 1919?
This record is from after 1925
1916