Love your enthusiasm dude.. Saab was a really good company. Before GM. Since i have worked for Saab for many years i can give you a cool story. When saab made the 9-3 sportswagon they got very strict instructions from GM on what they could spend money on. For example they should use the opel vectra satnav system. When the car was ready and some bigshots from GM where in Sweden to check it out, they discovered that in the car was a completely other satnav system alltogether. A much, much better system, designed and built by Saab. Of course they asked what the hell was going on, and the answer they got from the Saab technitions where simple: the system from the opel sucked. So they built a good one..
when gm owned 50% they wanted the interior to be gm but saab thought the interior was too bad so when gm sat down in the car they Said this is not our interior
According to Jeremy Clarkson (while he was still hosting for Top Gear) the reason why GM actually sent somebody out to Sweden was that the project was getting too expensive and the "suites in Detroit" wanted to know why. Unless I'm mistaken, I believe Saab spent over $2 million dollars on that system. I can imagine that it is probably the biggest fuck you General Motors ever received.
Yes. They sold Opel because of to low profit. Whilst also selling rebadged opels as Chevrolets with slightly Different design for cheaper. And totally not understanding european markets. So the consequence: sell opel and pull chevy (except cprvette) out of europe/at least germany. If you are thinking "wait, but then they can't sell cars to germans anymore, except those five Cadillacs a year" then you're.... absolutely right. Oops. GM also insisted on Opel selling a few rebadged cars that all sucked and after probelms occured (ex. Sintra crashtest...), only then opel was allowed to develope their own car... At least the frontera was kinda good. But sintra, Antara and some others sucked. Oh, and they basically killed Vauxhall in the 80s/90s and made them sell only Opels with Different badges and no personality anymore.
It didn't help that Saab was sucking GM dry financially. They were given vehicles and told to change the badging and body and instead Saab spent millions reengineering the vehicles. However, they did make them somewhat better. I'll take a 9-7x Aero over a Trailblazer SS any day. My 06 9-7x Arc had some quirky problems but it sounded, handled, and performed better than it's GM counterparts - Chevy Trailblazer, Buick Rainier, Oldsmobile Bravada, GMC Envoy, AND Isuzu Axiom.
@RavenousElf the transfer case control motor was a joke. Mine broke and it locked the front output. I had to replace the seal and CV half-shaft due to pitting from crow-hopping during slow speed turns. They should have just used the Torsion limited slip xfer case out of the Aero/SS on all models. It also wreaked havoc in the snow. Doing 35mph, front output engaged. Everything fine. Person in front of me hits the brakes, I slow down, front output disengaged, rear wheels lose traction and speed up, front output engages, car jerks around in the snow and slides out of my lane. Over and over and over. Ended up on the side of the road slowly getting closer the cliff edge as I tried turning around. Never drove it in snow again.
I have driven a SAAB 9-3 Aero and that car was no joke. It even had "Night Mode" where it would turn off the gauges except the speedometer and the instrument panel lights except the speedometer lights just by pressing a button.
@@tarnan6001 well a 240 is a nice car but it cannot compete with the performance and safety of a saab 9-5 aero. But yes the 240 will probably be cheaper but saabs are still a bargain. We have a 250hp aero (in really good shape) which had 115.000 km (~71.500 miles) on it when we got it. That car cost us 2500€ (~2800 usd). I think you cant beat that
@@jeremyclark4474 Make sure you're buying one with only a couple mechanical faults. Besides new brakes, my Saab needed a new coil, motor mount, rear shocks, and I still can't figure out why it only goes into 3rd and 4th. 300K on the odo but no major electrical problem. Always starts in the cold. It's a cool car and it's fun to work on.
@@jeremyclark4474 Auto Autopsy has a good video on common issues with the B207 motors. It was a big help when I was buying mine because I had the comfort of knowing what was wrong with it lol
Hey! I had. 2005, I did a vid on how to clear the AC drain, which is a common issue. I no longer have mine, I got a mustang, but if Saab ever makes another car I'll be the first bastard in there to buy one. Damn I loved those cars. My 99 9-3 (I had 2 actually) was just fantastic. Just a great car for the money.
I never really had a favorite car brand until i tried my dad's 9-3. Such an amazing and reliable car even though it's a GM. I now own it and can't keep my eyes or mind off it
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I've owned five Saabs. Loved every one of them. I personally believe they have to be the world's most underrated car (and for those of you who don't like them...good for you. Leaves more for those of us who do.) I think the 9000 is probably the most underrated one of them all. I'll always have one in my garage.
Fuck GM. At least Spyker understood what the Saab brand was and gave it all they had and actively planned an extended model range. GM were absolutely clueless of what a Saab was only ever launched three new models over a period of nineteen years. I mean seriously, Saab was about sporty cars with a rally heritage and cool engineering. The absolutely first thing GM should've done when buying into Saab was to develop 4WD models and a new sports car. Instead, they gave those funds to Opel.
@@_LEONKING_ And themselves. Seriously, who buys GM's? I know no one who would buy a GM, but I see so many at work, every day. They fucking suck! Why do people keep buying them?
I’ve seen this video 1/2 a dozen times or more... I love this video... My Saab loves this video... My Saab is a ‘92 900 Turbo Vert... I love my Saab...
Thank you for doing a video on Saab. They are such a misunderstood and under appreciated car. I have had seven Saab's in the last 4 years and I do not plan to discontinue that trend. My 9-5's feel so sturdy, safe, and solid. I have had about seven or eight Volvo's but nothing holds a candle to the 9-5.
@@arnaudmeert1527 I just upgraded. Started with the worst 900, moved from that to 9000’s, then upgraded from those to 9-5’s & ended with an 09’ 9-5 SportCombi with a stick.
Dude!!!! You forgot Saab 9000!!! The best Saab ever! I have one :-D Also you talk about Viggen and show a Gripen. Just sayin'.. AND you forgot to say that Koenigsegg wanted to buy Saab just before the end! That would have been way cool....
I have a 9000 as well. 2.3 turbo, (mildly worked) its a weapon, reliable, cheap and comfortable. Im always amazed how well it goes for a 4 cylinder. I love driving it.
It is far from complete. Your suggestion plus ending the video with the latest models from saab being showcased would have made it "butter on toast" lol but again...a video with anyone not bashing Saab and giving the company credit where it's due is a "unicorn" in an of itself so I appreciate it for what it is lol.
I use to repair and paint Saab cars for a guy who restored them completely and sold them mostly to doctors. I did hundreds of Saab 93s and 95s. I did paint repairs on the rare factory yellow Saab 95s that were in the US.
My dad had a 99 Turbo in college, thing was so freaking cool. He abandoned it in his school parking lot because the transmission decided not to be a transmission anymore, and repair costs would've been more than what it was worth lol
I have a 2004 Saab 93 Aero that I have named Saabrina. People think Saabs are pretty dorky and such but I think they're pretty neat. I actually never knew the history before getting Saabrina but as a lover of airplanes, I just enjoy her heritage even more. Your video was awesome !
Here's the thing about Saab's. Once you own one, you get the Saab bug. After owning my '06 9-3 for a few years, I spent last year looking online and craigslist daily for another saab which is how I ended up finding a very low mileage '07 9-3 convertible. I'd love to own some 9-5's and some 900's too haha.
I had a 900 Turbo for about a year and a half as kind of a project. It was a real bastard to fix some stuff but I loved driving it. If you get a chance to own one you should
My first car was a '92 900. Caught the Saab bug instantly! Have since owned an '06 9-3, but was just desperate to have a pre-GM Saab back in my life, so now run a '97 9000 50th Anniversary alongside it. Awesome cars. But so much better pre-GM!
Bought an '01 9-3S off my cousin, slowly going through the car and fixing/upgrading everything I touch on it. Thanks to the experience working on the 9-3 I started helping a friend with his '01 9-5, nearly ended up buying it from him so I would have a 4 door car again (I have 3 cars, all are 2 door cars...), I've narrowly avoided buying it but now find myself looking for a OG900 to tinker with :D
Here's the tldr. It was a super cool mini Corvette. They're fantastic in the snow, and as far as show cars go it's be a great option. Wasn't ever a huge amount, but the ones that exist today are dope af. I'd love to have one to take to car shows, as a huge Saab fan, but not in the budget currently.
I still have dreams about driving my old 900S. There was nothing fast about it, but there was something about taking it on winding roads through the woods at night that excited me in a way that no other car has since. In 2015 I pulled out on a country road and got T-boned at 50 mph by a Ford Explorer with tow hooks on the front. The airbags didn't deploy and the driver door was caved in, but I walked away without a scratch. Saabs are some of the best cars ever made.
Ryin Rumery yeah, trust me, after pulling my blown motor and swapping in a new EJ20 and spending a lot of seat time in it, it's extremely evident that EVERYTHING aside from the badges and sheet metal is Subaru. Super cheap upkeep and reliable fun
While stationed in Germany, I bought a 1983 SAAB 900 Turbo 4-door with Amaranth color. Put 198,000 on the car over 17 years and it still looked new when I gave it away. My late wife cried when I gave it away. Drove the car all over Europe and the U.S. Great Winter car. Would plow through the snow, never needed snow tires, heated seats and was good handling. Put the rear seats down and could load the heck out of it. Great gas mileage!
Up To Speed: Volvo Up To Speed: Koenigsegg Up To Speed: Mercedes Up To Speed: Ferrari Up To Speed: BMW Up To Speed: Audi But I do have one question, you said in this video, that SAAB is the second best swedish car brand, which is the best? Volvo or Koenigsegg, make a Up To Speed video about that brand!
Owned a 1984 Saab 900 Turbo. What a car. Solid. Fast. Dead sexy in silver. Wish I could get my hands on one again. Such good memories. Quirky cars. Loved that car.
i had a 2003 saab 9-5 aero and it was amazing. Heated seats in the front and back, all leather, 5 speed manual, and a brand new turbo. Best daily driver
Something VERY SPECIAL for Saab was one of there Engines. Have you ever heared about the Saab SVC Engine? what the Japanese are doing and planing now, saab was making it at 2001. the first steps to a self Ignition Benzin Engine....Ok it was a Engine with variable Compression. A ratio from 14:1 to 8:1 by angling the Cylinder Head up to 4 degrees. 5 Cylinders 1,6l and over 300 Nm with 225 HP with the same fuel consuption as a normal 1,6l engine. and that in 2001. GM those Money Cunts striked the project down, cause of too much money (what a surprise). saab had it, the engine was working, they used it in a 9-5 wagon. Imagine Saab would still exist or the engine was build in as a special Edition for 9-5 and 9-3. I love Saab so much for that! I and we all should hate GM for that. The main inventor of the planned obsolescence, the shame as a car company, ruiner of so much beautiful in the car world (beside ecologicals) GM SHOULD GO TO HELL FOREVER!!! (and tell the devil that for sure more Companies follow)
Ive had 6 SAABS..ive been super lucky, I live in the Hamptons on Long Island and have bought them and other cars from teachers for prices that are Riddick,and once I one got from the dealer that's the SAAB story of the century, I have a 92 red 900 s t convertible with 33k on it i got for 2,300 $ brand new, barned like most Hampton cars and driven either just a few months over the summers or back and forth to a school, one I got was a 90 900 s with 12k for 250 $ the Pirelli tires(worth more each then the car) still had the rubber spikes, everyone is scared of buying them and think there's a problem finding parts or they stopped making them, they've always sold for great deals and it looks like you're driving a 40,000 $ car.People when they get new cars that are rich just want the old ones gone, I drove a 87 944 t off somebody's lawn for free..i love the NG ones 2,all the parts fit them from i think 94-2003, when i bought a SAAB, the last 900s t off the line that went on the anniversary edition line 93 then had the 2.3 t in it with all Viggen parts,i put in a few more part and got 285 HP out of it,nothing from 7-145 could get near me,i brought my 99 SAAb 900 t in for some work and saw this one of a kind Saab on the side of the building,i asked how much and they said it doesn't run and we've sent it out to 11 SAAB places and it won't stop stalling,and explained how it by mistake was 4 cars mashed up,,then he said and pointed to the upper left corner and said its in this area the problem but we don't know what it is,it says map 4 and that part of the engine is 4?i went home grabbed my scanner when nobody was around and it came back MAP.I went to a junk yard that only had Saabs BMW Benzs and so on and the owner used to let me go find my own sht while the staff ate the donuts and coffee I brought, and right on the top stabilizer bar was a 4 screw MAP sensor.i went back and told them i have a new engine put in and i really wanted it,i was a good 10 year customer so they left to talk,they came back with paperwork and said its sold as-is,no warranty no matter what.i signed it and they said give me 1,250$..I almost sht my self.i got to the gas station put in the new MAP got gas and it was fixed.Right now I'm looking at a 2003 2.3 t 75k silver coupe for 1,100 $ and be 50-128 k in mint shape from 96-2004 where I live they sell at most for 2 grand..I've flipped a few from out here too,a 88 560SEL teacher car 42k 2,900 $ mid night blue red leather now a scratch..and resold it for 8,200 in a week.if you don't believe me put in craigslist Long Island and the Easthampton zip code and search Saab and you'll see 99 900s t converts 2,000 no miles and steals...my dad gave me a Jeep worth 9,000 $ I'm selling it and ill buy a Saab 93 for 3k brand new with under 50 k...and use the rest to flip other cars,or get a older Saab and put it under classical insurance and find a perfect 86 Burgandy 900s t convert with low miles show room shape
it sucks that saab had to die. Wish the americans never got their hands on saab. Im sure it would they would have been still around today if it wasnt for GM.
had a 1998 9-3 2.0t amazing condition and all that, but there where few issues, first off the seating position is super bad, the shifter is almost at the floor you would have to reach for it, steering wheel had minimal adjustment. tl;dr not meant for big boys.
Love this video, but if you're gotta talk about it you gotta recognize the Saab 900 turbo SPG, Saab 9000 aero, Saab 9-3 turboX, and GM sold it to spyker not NEVS.
Got our brand new SAAB 9-3 red convertible anniversary model in 2002, absolutely still love it, looks like new, fun to drive, will never get rid of it. Love SAAB.
I´ve got a 95 aero myself, a pity it has to die this year since it wont pass Swedish car inspections which will make it illegal to drive on the road, it´ll be a sad day letting it go...
You my friend.. you sound like we could get along very well. My dad had a 99 when I was a kid. Then as years went by he got some opel, a Saab 93, an Audi 100, a Jeep. After that he got a 220 hp Saab 95 wich I learned to drive in. Then sadly he hit a moose. Soo.. he got another Saab 95 with 300 hp that I took over when I got my liscense last year. Then he bought a 2007 Saab 95 wich he still has. The 300 hp 95 I drove broke so I got myself a Bmw E39 528i, then a Volvo 744. And I just sold the Volvo and bought a.. yeah you guessed it! A 2004 Saab 95 2,0t. I love Saabs and I will always do.
Could you make separate episode on DATSUN? Many articles say that "The Original Nissan Z Car Was Never Supposed To Happen" and how Yoshihiko Matsuo had to fight as an Engineer back then to persuade the CEO to make Fairlady 240Z.
Thanks! Loved it. Although in my opinion you missed their greatest car the 9000 / 9-5. I had 2 of them, what a joy to drive. I used to zip around DC beltway traffic like it was standing still. Quality and Attention to detail was off charts, only car company I know of that had pink insulation in the doors. They were reliable only major work was a head gasket and clutch. At 170K miles i'm not complaining.
You could also say Subaru made planes under the name Nakajima. Ford made bombers during the war as well and I am sure there are others that have at least dabbled
I'm 22 and I drive a saab 9-3 1.9 tid estate and I have to say it has to be the best car I have owned absolutely love everything about it drives amazing and pulls like a train.
Great video but no saab 9000 or ng saab 9-3 or 9-5 not even a mention of the Turbo X!?! But if you love saabs I post a lot about new and old saabs and working on them!!
I worked for a SAAB dealer when it was relaunched here in New Zealand. They (the 900i, 9000CS/CD/AERO) were so understatedly brilliant. Had one customer purchase an 9000 AERO, happy with the performance and power but wanted more. So with factory and Abott Racing (England) enhancements his AERO was insane to drive, by that I mean it wanted to be driven hard. I'll never forget that 9000. What model also not mentioned was the 900S/SE (with the V6 (a bit nose heavy with a great engine sound)). Then came the 9-3, 9-3 AERO, 9-3 Viggen. Replacing the 9000's was the 9-5, 9-5 V6, 9-5 AERO. I know there's lots more to the later models (9-3, 9-5), like using GM (Opel) platforms, just strengthened to SAABs quality. But let's not forget the 9000 platform was shared Fiat (Chroma), Lancia (Thema), Alfa Romeo (164), and some others I can't think of right now. Shame such a brand should become just another GM generic.
I've got a saab '93 900, she's my first car and I love her more that ANYTHING. she's so sturdy, so fast, and doesn't have frequent breakdowns like my parents' cars do. Me and my close friend are streetracers, and I won my first race with her :) love her to pieces, love saab to pieces, and I'll be driving this car until I run it into the ground
Because reliable cars are not profitable in their eyes. Why make something that will last if you can make something that will break just after the premiere of the next shitty version of your budget car. No Soul, No Passion, Designed for Proffit Only. That's what happened to GM, that's what happened to Volkswagen, that's what Happened to most of the popular car companies. The Cars are no longer the goal, they are the means. If the Corporate Rats at Volkswagen saw switching production to cheese grinders as much more profitable, they would do that. They don't care about making cars, they care about making money and cars are a way to achieve that...
I grew up in my parents 9-5 and I adore it to this day. I've gone off the road in both this and a Ford S-Max and I can tell you all the SAAB has a certain reassuring atmosphere, it not only is safe, it feels safe as you drive along. The only problem it has is the B205 engine, which is less reliable than the more powerful B235.
Love your enthusiasm dude.. Saab was a really good company. Before GM. Since i have worked for Saab for many years i can give you a cool story. When saab made the 9-3 sportswagon they got very strict instructions from GM on what they could spend money on. For example they should use the opel vectra satnav system. When the car was ready and some bigshots from GM where in Sweden to check it out, they discovered that in the car was a completely other satnav system alltogether. A much, much better system, designed and built by Saab. Of course they asked what the hell was going on, and the answer they got from the Saab technitions where simple: the system from the opel sucked. So they built a good one..
That is great. GM tried to tell them how to do things, SAAB looked at what GM wanted, and gave GM the middle finger
Wow
when gm owned 50% they wanted the interior to be gm but saab thought the interior was too bad so when gm sat down in the car they Said this is not our interior
The 9000 was the best saab
According to Jeremy Clarkson (while he was still hosting for Top Gear) the reason why GM actually sent somebody out to Sweden was that the project was getting too expensive and the "suites in Detroit" wanted to know why. Unless I'm mistaken, I believe Saab spent over $2 million dollars on that system. I can imagine that it is probably the biggest fuck you General Motors ever received.
Does GM kill pretty much everything?
YES
GM is the EA of the car industry
@@ironman1181 does GM has Microtransactions and Lootboxes? but in all other way, you are fucking right!
GM is like King Midas - only that whatever they put their fingers on turns to - well; you figure the correct term for 'nothing of any use' !
Yes. They sold Opel because of to low profit. Whilst also selling rebadged opels as Chevrolets with slightly Different design for cheaper. And totally not understanding european markets. So the consequence: sell opel and pull chevy (except cprvette) out of europe/at least germany. If you are thinking "wait, but then they can't sell cars to germans anymore, except those five Cadillacs a year" then you're.... absolutely right. Oops. GM also insisted on Opel selling a few rebadged cars that all sucked and after probelms occured (ex. Sintra crashtest...), only then opel was allowed to develope their own car...
At least the frontera was kinda good. But sintra, Antara and some others sucked. Oh, and they basically killed Vauxhall in the 80s/90s and made them sell only Opels with Different badges and no personality anymore.
Forgot about the Saab 9000 though... Those were legit kings of the road back in the days.
Andreas Heed and the sonnets!
Yes
My first car was a 9000 CSE :)
got a 94 9000 aero myself and even though it's an auto its pretty quick for what it is
Best car In WORLD 1994 9000 CSE
I owned 12 SAAB's, and each of them were great! They never let me down. I love SAAB.
Idem : I owned 7.
loved and miss my 2003 95 aero
Saab: Born from Jets. Killed by A$$holes! (GM)
It didn't help that Saab was sucking GM dry financially. They were given vehicles and told to change the badging and body and instead Saab spent millions reengineering the vehicles. However, they did make them somewhat better. I'll take a 9-7x Aero over a Trailblazer SS any day. My 06 9-7x Arc had some quirky problems but it sounded, handled, and performed better than it's GM counterparts - Chevy Trailblazer, Buick Rainier, Oldsmobile Bravada, GMC Envoy, AND Isuzu Axiom.
@@nrgzrbny "somewhat better" is the understatement of the century
@@nrgzrbny my opel vectra got so raped by saab aero (its kinda the same car) gm should have just let saab make the cars and rebadge theirs XD
@RavenousElf the transfer case control motor was a joke. Mine broke and it locked the front output. I had to replace the seal and CV half-shaft due to pitting from crow-hopping during slow speed turns. They should have just used the Torsion limited slip xfer case out of the Aero/SS on all models.
It also wreaked havoc in the snow. Doing 35mph, front output engaged. Everything fine. Person in front of me hits the brakes, I slow down, front output disengaged, rear wheels lose traction and speed up, front output engages, car jerks around in the snow and slides out of my lane. Over and over and over. Ended up on the side of the road slowly getting closer the cliff edge as I tried turning around. Never drove it in snow again.
I have driven a SAAB 9-3 Aero and that car was no joke. It even had "Night Mode" where it would turn off the gauges except the speedometer and the instrument panel lights except the speedometer lights just by pressing a button.
GM is like the EA of car manufacturers! 😭
In terms of killing their companies yeah. But in terms of overpriced DLCs? Nah.
GM ITS IN THE SHOP!
More like the British Leyland of the American motor industry...🧐
@@ultraguy8771 That tittle, the EA of DLC's, goes to Porsche
Overpriced DLC is Opel Signum and Opel Speedster.
“You could get it in any color as long as it was green” is one of the top ten things you’ve said I love it
A SAAB comeback is what we need right now
im working on it i post weekly videos about the badass swede
@@Retiqkeep it up man. Love my saab
@@dyamimc thanks! I have a whole playlist of Saab content!
Finally.. A FREAKIN' SAAB VIDEO!!
Saab is the best on earth
You can‘t buy a safer, cheaper, faster used vehicle than a saab 9-5 aero
debatable 9-3 arc
A volvo 240
@@tarnan6001 well a 240 is a nice car but it cannot compete with the performance and safety of a saab 9-5 aero. But yes the 240 will probably be cheaper but saabs are still a bargain. We have a 250hp aero (in really good shape) which had 115.000 km (~71.500 miles) on it when we got it. That car cost us 2500€ (~2800 usd). I think you cant beat that
saabs are great until they brake, old Volvos are great bcuz they never break, also volvo 4ever cuz stock driftcar :p
@@sebbzii3906 it depends on what Volvo you mean
This video made me buy a Saab. 07 9-3 2.0T
Sebby Kaiser how do you like it so far? I’m looking at buying an 06
@@jeremyclark4474 Make sure you're buying one with only a couple mechanical faults. Besides new brakes, my Saab needed a new coil, motor mount, rear shocks, and I still can't figure out why it only goes into 3rd and 4th. 300K on the odo but no major electrical problem. Always starts in the cold. It's a cool car and it's fun to work on.
Sebby Kaiser the one I’m looking at has 111k, 2nd owner. So I’m hoping it’s in good condition
@@jeremyclark4474 Auto Autopsy has a good video on common issues with the B207 motors. It was a big help when I was buying mine because I had the comfort of knowing what was wrong with it lol
Hey! I had. 2005, I did a vid on how to clear the AC drain, which is a common issue. I no longer have mine, I got a mustang, but if Saab ever makes another car I'll be the first bastard in there to buy one. Damn I loved those cars. My 99 9-3 (I had 2 actually) was just fantastic. Just a great car for the money.
Luckily the truck company Scania is still kicking and dominating the European semi truck world
Owned by Volkswagen nowadays
Saab still exists and builds millitary equipment
@@skrillah6259 makes sense
@@sutherlandA1 they dony own the whole company
@@kristofferhjertmoen7501 The Volkswagen group owns 100% of Scania (through Traton). They've owned a controlling share since 2008.
Saabscribed
Cool
Brilliant!
What a saab story
Get out.
@@alphunsos ?
this is so saab abba play dancing queen
Only 11 months behind you.
It makes me Saab every time i hear it
I never really had a favorite car brand until i tried my dad's 9-3. Such an amazing and reliable car even though it's a GM. I now own it and can't keep my eyes or mind off it
Got my first 9-3 2.0t with no problems cheap reliable car
SAAAAAAAAAAABBB IS FINALLY HERE!
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SEAHOON INFIRES 😂
SEAHOON INFIRES then after the Bangbus
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I googled it.
Don't Google it. Thanks for ruining my search history
@@revolver265 That's why you go *_I N C O G N I T O_*
YESSSSSS FINALLY THE MOMENT IVE BEEN WAITING FOR
AlecnPerlite asaab dude
Saab 4Life bro 🤘
I just bought a 1997 saab s today. It was love at first sight. So excited to make memories with it
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Presentation:on point!
This is by far the best series for learning automotive history
And james has surely become an automotive education video magnate 😂
(Edit)pls reply man I’ve written so much 😛
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🙌RAMCHARGERS🙌
never let it die
EverettdaBear ill try not to
Ramchargers !
I dont give a shit what car it is. I just like watchin James tell stories
5tudent_Loans Yessss teachers should take notes
5tudent_Loans the same way i like Ed from vinwiki talking about Lamborghinis and other cars
dude your comment is absolutely redundant
I've owned five Saabs. Loved every one of them. I personally believe they have to be the world's most underrated car (and for those of you who don't like them...good for you. Leaves more for those of us who do.) I think the 9000 is probably the most underrated one of them all. I'll always have one in my garage.
Rip saab
Clashing Racer fuck spyker
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Fuck GM.
At least Spyker understood what the Saab brand was and gave it all they had and actively planned an extended model range.
GM were absolutely clueless of what a Saab was only ever launched three new models over a period of nineteen years. I mean seriously, Saab was about sporty cars with a rally heritage and cool engineering. The absolutely first thing GM should've done when buying into Saab was to develop 4WD models and a new sports car. Instead, they gave those funds to Opel.
and damn you GM! >_
Why every car company that GM gets its hands on has to disappera same with Hummer. Its better that they self disapper for once.
Why does GM insist on rebadging Opels?
Yeah, but will they offer the new Blazer with a V8? *BLAZER SS*
They are just eliminating the competition lol
@@_LEONKING_ And themselves. Seriously, who buys GM's? I know no one who would buy a GM, but I see so many at work, every day. They fucking suck! Why do people keep buying them?
True!
Do volvo next
I’ve seen this video 1/2 a dozen times or more...
I love this video...
My Saab loves this video...
My Saab is a ‘92 900 Turbo Vert...
I love my Saab...
Thank you for doing a video on Saab. They are such a misunderstood and under appreciated car. I have had seven Saab's in the last 4 years and I do not plan to discontinue that trend. My 9-5's feel so sturdy, safe, and solid. I have had about seven or eight Volvo's but nothing holds a candle to the 9-5.
How do you wear out 7 Saab's in 4 years?
@@arnaudmeert1527 I just upgraded. Started with the worst 900, moved from that to 9000’s, then upgraded from those to 9-5’s & ended with an 09’ 9-5 SportCombi with a stick.
Dude!!!! You forgot Saab 9000!!! The best Saab ever! I have one :-D Also you talk about Viggen and show a Gripen. Just sayin'.. AND you forgot to say that Koenigsegg wanted to buy Saab just before the end! That would have been way cool....
And not to forget that the company was sold to Spyker, which didn't have deep enough pockets to turn things around. And then it was sold to NEVS.
I have a 9000 as well. 2.3 turbo, (mildly worked) its a weapon, reliable, cheap and comfortable. Im always amazed how well it goes for a 4 cylinder. I love driving it.
@@bpg786 Nice to hear! Yes, I also love the handling and the power. Best car ever!
Nah 900og best Saab ever.
He also gorgon the 95 and the 96. Totally awesome cars.
That little Saab at the beginning was actually the first transverse front engine FWD car, not the Mini as most people would believe.
hmmm interesting. thanks for the info.
Love that you tossed the black Saab with gold bbs's from 'Paid in Full' in the vid. That's one of my fav rides from any movie yo. Props.
No mention of the 9000? I had a 1987 SAAB 9000 Turbo, and I loved it! So this episode is far from complete!
Paul-Ove Eidem cousin had 2.3L 9000 it was sweet turbo lunacy at its finest
Paul-Ove Eidem
yeah, the best car that saab ever produced
Brother has a 9-5
9-3 aero , turbo x, 95aero. The fact that Saab refused to listen to GM a few years. Lot of stuff left out.
The top gear segment on Saab is way better.
It is far from complete. Your suggestion plus ending the video with the latest models from saab being showcased would have made it "butter on toast" lol but again...a video with anyone not bashing Saab and giving the company credit where it's due is a "unicorn" in an of itself so I appreciate it for what it is lol.
up to speed Alfa Romeooooo
Lonnie yes!
Lonnie Yes pleeeaaaasssseeee
YOUR WISH IS GRANTED
Unique and distinctive. No focus groups no marketing no one builds cars like this today . I would love to pick up a mid 80’s SPG. I deeply miss Saab.
:56 love the way he grips the air phone, great attention to detail.
Next time Lancia? Fulvia, Delta, Strato's, 037, Thema Ferrari. There's plenty of material. #savelancia
Don't forget the Aprilla and Aurelia homie.
this is actually a really great format for people to learn about cars and the history of them. good content
I use to repair and paint Saab cars for a guy who restored them completely and sold them mostly to doctors. I did hundreds of Saab 93s and 95s. I did paint repairs on the rare factory yellow Saab 95s that were in the US.
Where is this restorer fellow located? I have a 9-3 viggen and am looking to keep it in top shape for some time to come.
I’ve had 2 and I still drive my 9-3 aero every day.
How friends see my car: (Saab 95 aero)
How i see my car: (Saab 39 gripen)
Yes every saab guy sees their saab as a saab Jas 39 gripen. i do that aswell..
Up to speed on NSX
up to speed on James Pumphrey's Dad
up to speed on James Pumphrey
Up to speed on Toyota 2000GT
Up to speed on Koenigsegg
elaizah foning ramsong +1 for the 2000gt
They have one for the nsx
京都アンソニー type r, not really
They Should Make Special Episode About James Dad On His Birthday
My dad had a 99 Turbo in college, thing was so freaking cool. He abandoned it in his school parking lot because the transmission decided not to be a transmission anymore, and repair costs would've been more than what it was worth lol
I have a 2004 Saab 93 Aero that I have named Saabrina. People think Saabs are pretty dorky and such but I think they're pretty neat. I actually never knew the history before getting Saabrina but as a lover of airplanes, I just enjoy her heritage even more. Your video was awesome !
Here's the thing about Saab's. Once you own one, you get the Saab bug. After owning my '06 9-3 for a few years, I spent last year looking online and craigslist daily for another saab which is how I ended up finding a very low mileage '07 9-3 convertible. I'd love to own some 9-5's and some 900's too haha.
I had a 900 Turbo for about a year and a half as kind of a project. It was a real bastard to fix some stuff but I loved driving it. If you get a chance to own one you should
My first car was a '92 900. Caught the Saab bug instantly! Have since owned an '06 9-3, but was just desperate to have a pre-GM Saab back in my life, so now run a '97 9000 50th Anniversary alongside it. Awesome cars. But so much better pre-GM!
my dad had a 900 in brown i love it i named it Mr brown
Bought an '01 9-3S off my cousin, slowly going through the car and fixing/upgrading everything I touch on it. Thanks to the experience working on the 9-3 I started helping a friend with his '01 9-5, nearly ended up buying it from him so I would have a 4 door car again (I have 3 cars, all are 2 door cars...), I've narrowly avoided buying it but now find myself looking for a OG900 to tinker with :D
That 06 Saab is a Vectra. That Saab bug... hahahaha
Do Volvo
Simon Arends YES
YES
Yes
Yes diskmedel endast 53,99kr på ICA.
That is a hell yeah if you wonder!
It would be graet to hear someone talk about the R and the good old ÖV4.
I’ve watched this video like 29 times. It is always so exiting to see so much love for SAAB. Still not over the fact that GM killed them.
They need to redo it. Saab can’t be summed up in a 7 minute video.
I just purchased a 05 Saab 9-3 2.0t manual and love it!
Just another Saab story
I think I've passed out how many nuts I've just had.
i've cum buckets today thanks to this video
Same
I didn't think squirrels could talk. Do you know Chip or Dale?
Still waiting for an up to speed on the Sonnet :)
Yep
Here's the tldr. It was a super cool mini Corvette. They're fantastic in the snow, and as far as show cars go it's be a great option. Wasn't ever a huge amount, but the ones that exist today are dope af. I'd love to have one to take to car shows, as a huge Saab fan, but not in the budget currently.
@@spencerroberts7918 Saab Sonett III's are not very expensive.
also waiting for it
Shiii I'm waiting for one on the midget
I still have dreams about driving my old 900S. There was nothing fast about it, but there was something about taking it on winding roads through the woods at night that excited me in a way that no other car has since. In 2015 I pulled out on a country road and got T-boned at 50 mph by a Ford Explorer with tow hooks on the front. The airbags didn't deploy and the driver door was caved in, but I walked away without a scratch. Saabs are some of the best cars ever made.
My dad owns a SAAB 9 5 hatchback w the turbo. Am practicing for my driving license in it and it's a really fun car to drive
är du svensk och nån i din familj har en saab då är du ett misstag
@@macliqueskarnkraft9502 hitta volvo raggarn
I own a Saab 92-x aero and it's actually a pretty frickin' sweet car
Nick Russell 92x isn’t even a saab it’s a Subaru.
Ryin Rumery yeah, trust me, after pulling my blown motor and swapping in a new EJ20 and spending a lot of seat time in it, it's extremely evident that EVERYTHING aside from the badges and sheet metal is Subaru. Super cheap upkeep and reliable fun
I miss my Saabaru, man
I HAVE BEEN WAITING. I’ve seen that Saab in the background of up to speeds for a while. Your fellow 9-3 owner! 🤟🏽
Nathan Archuleta Cheers from a 9-5 owner! :)
Cheers for another 9-3 owner :)
Cheers from a Volvo owner who once rode in a Saab and has very high opinions of the 9-3!!
Charles Conto Hehe not too unfamiliar 😉
TheMagDude agreed lol!
While stationed in Germany, I bought a 1983 SAAB 900 Turbo 4-door with Amaranth color. Put 198,000 on the car over 17 years and it still looked new when I gave it away. My late wife cried when I gave it away. Drove the car all over Europe and the U.S. Great Winter car. Would plow through the snow, never needed snow tires, heated seats and was good handling. Put the rear seats down and could load the heck out of it. Great gas mileage!
Up To Speed: Volvo
Up To Speed: Koenigsegg
Up To Speed: Mercedes
Up To Speed: Ferrari
Up To Speed: BMW
Up To Speed: Audi
But I do have one question, you said in this video, that SAAB is the second best swedish car brand, which is the best? Volvo or Koenigsegg, make a Up To Speed video about that brand!
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@@enzoferrari8441se alla Avensjuka blickar
He said Quirks, we all know who wrote the script
Dusty Gamer DADDY DE MURO
Dusty Gamer pumphrey is the kind of guy to have his script wrote by doug demuro
Dusty Gamer for all my thoughts about saab please visit autotrader dot com slash oversteer
DEMURO ALL THE THINGS!!!
Huahuahuahuahua!!!
I'd like to see an episode about the US president's armored limos.
DaRealCarlos \ bet you would Carlos bet you would.....
Adam Haynes fuck off bigot
Way to go, you just got yourself a spot on a CIA list now.
DaRealCarlos \ I wonder what George Washington's limo was like
Were you planning to assassinate the president?
Owned a 1984 Saab 900 Turbo. What a car. Solid. Fast. Dead sexy in silver. Wish I could get my hands on one again. Such good memories. Quirky cars. Loved that car.
Waiting for SaabKyle to comment
Saab, the airplane company currently make jet fighters, apc's and surface to air/ air to air missiles.
and submarines
And torpedoes.
@@formatique_arschloch and tanks
Im starting to get upset this is like 3 episodes with out talking about your dad.
Underscorer oh shit. I think youre right lets see what nolan has to say next
he did it in the Hummer episode though.
And with the 900 taking off *Just like my dad, on a plane to Nashville to buy that pack of cigs back in '05*
Or Jessica...
Well dont wanna kill it... thats smart
i had a 2003 saab 9-5 aero and it was amazing. Heated seats in the front and back, all leather, 5 speed manual, and a brand new turbo. Best daily driver
4:42 thats the grippen not the viggen
Not to kill the awesome vibe or anything just bothers me as a plane enthusiast aswell :)
Gripen*
Trie
Im a year late but hear me out:
Imagine if Saab was like the Mustang in it's dark years on this date, and that Saab will return one day
One can only hope!
Hoho i hope that day will come!
My biggest dream would come true.
Im hoping with you
Saab May be returning. I heard koinegsegg has partnered with NEVS and are preparing something for the Chinese market. There is hope at last.
Damn that drifting 9-3 sounds beastly
It was a BMW powered OG 9-5
9-5, not 9-3
Driving a 900 turbo cabrio at the moment and i absolutely love it
Woah woah woah! What about the 9000?? I'm hurt!
Chad Gemzer He's over 9000
Seriously...... he forgot the best platform Saab made. The 9000 aero was faster than the M3 when it came out. Also the last real Saab ever made.
My dad still drives his 9000i, I too would have wanted to hear about it.
Methinks the 9000 might get it's own episode? Seems too obvious to leave out. Also, early 2000s 9-5s were definitely real saabs.
I'm still driving a 9000 2.0t Anniversary, that i'm slowly upgrading
I keep trying to tell everyone how dope they are...
Something VERY SPECIAL for Saab was one of there Engines. Have you ever heared about the Saab SVC Engine? what the Japanese are doing and planing now, saab was making it at 2001. the first steps to a self Ignition Benzin Engine....Ok it was a Engine with variable Compression. A ratio from 14:1 to 8:1 by angling the Cylinder Head up to 4 degrees. 5 Cylinders 1,6l and over 300 Nm with 225 HP with the same fuel consuption as a normal 1,6l engine. and that in 2001. GM those Money Cunts striked the project down, cause of too much money (what a surprise).
saab had it, the engine was working, they used it in a 9-5 wagon. Imagine Saab would still exist or the engine was build in as a special Edition for 9-5 and 9-3. I love Saab so much for that!
I and we all should hate GM for that. The main inventor of the planned obsolescence, the shame as a car company, ruiner of so much beautiful in the car world (beside ecologicals)
GM SHOULD GO TO HELL FOREVER!!! (and tell the devil that for sure more Companies follow)
Ive had 6 SAABS..ive been super lucky, I live in the Hamptons on Long Island and have bought them and other cars from teachers for prices that are Riddick,and once I one got from the dealer that's the SAAB story of the century, I have a 92 red 900 s t convertible with 33k on it i got for 2,300 $ brand new, barned like most Hampton cars and driven either just a few months over the summers or back and forth to a school, one I got was a 90 900 s with 12k for 250 $ the Pirelli tires(worth more each then the car) still had the rubber spikes, everyone is scared of buying them and think there's a problem finding parts or they stopped making them, they've always sold for great deals and it looks like you're driving a 40,000 $ car.People when they get new cars that are rich just want the old ones gone, I drove a 87 944 t off somebody's lawn for free..i love the NG ones 2,all the parts fit them from i think 94-2003, when i bought a SAAB, the last 900s t off the line that went on the anniversary edition line 93 then had the 2.3 t in it with all Viggen parts,i put in a few more part and got 285 HP out of it,nothing from 7-145 could get near me,i brought my 99 SAAb 900 t in for some work and saw this one of a kind Saab on the side of the building,i asked how much and they said it doesn't run and we've sent it out to 11 SAAB places and it won't stop stalling,and explained how it by mistake was 4 cars mashed up,,then he said and pointed to the upper left corner and said its in this area the problem but we don't know what it is,it says map 4 and that part of the engine is 4?i went home grabbed my scanner when nobody was around and it came back MAP.I went to a junk yard that only had Saabs BMW Benzs and so on and the owner used to let me go find my own sht while the staff ate the donuts and coffee I brought, and right on the top stabilizer bar was a 4 screw MAP sensor.i went back and told them i have a new engine put in and i really wanted it,i was a good 10 year customer so they left to talk,they came back with paperwork and said its sold as-is,no warranty no matter what.i signed it and they said give me 1,250$..I almost sht my self.i got to the gas station put in the new MAP got gas and it was fixed.Right now I'm looking at a 2003 2.3 t 75k silver coupe for 1,100 $ and be 50-128 k in mint shape from 96-2004 where I live they sell at most for 2 grand..I've flipped a few from out here too,a 88 560SEL teacher car 42k 2,900 $ mid night blue red leather now a scratch..and resold it for 8,200 in a week.if you don't believe me put in craigslist Long Island and the Easthampton zip code and search Saab and you'll see 99 900s t converts 2,000 no miles and steals...my dad gave me a Jeep worth 9,000 $ I'm selling it and ill buy a Saab 93 for 3k brand new with under 50 k...and use the rest to flip other cars,or get a older Saab and put it under classical insurance and find a perfect 86 Burgandy 900s t convert with low miles show room shape
the one at 3:55 was the one I got for 250$ with 12 k on it,same color everything
the car at 4:25 are the ones going for under 2,000 low miles.black and silver mostly
pls just do the Toyota Celica
it sucks that saab had to die. Wish the americans never got their hands on saab. Im sure it would they would have been still around today if it wasnt for GM.
MyniRS-Helgrem no Saab killed itself by spending to much and not making it back and gm bought them and kept them afloat
jdr ok RIP Saab
saabros.com/2018/02/27/what-exactly-happened-to-saab-automobile-ab/
Yeah, they should have sticked together with Scania.
The car sucked
holy crap a goldberrgs reference its my favorite tv show that none of my friends watch
My first car was a 1995 Saab 900 convertible. I loved that car. The center key plus the ‘dark mode’... iconic
had a 1998 9-3 2.0t amazing condition and all that, but there where few issues, first off the seating position is super bad, the shifter is almost at the floor you would have to reach for it, steering wheel had minimal adjustment. tl;dr not meant for big boys.
tony your maker 187cm
Thats not "big boy" at all thats just average height atleast here in norway
Sigurd Berget so height is the only thing that matter when it comes to size? are you stupid or stupid lol?
Should of got a 9,5
i now have a volvo s60, perfect seating.
Love this video, but if you're gotta talk about it you gotta recognize the Saab 900 turbo SPG, Saab 9000 aero, Saab 9-3 turboX, and GM sold it to spyker not NEVS.
Amazing video.
Saab owner, and I absolutely love it. Going to buy NEVS ASAP.
are you saabist
@@j4rba Obviously
@@xZeroOffical im too💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
Got our brand new SAAB 9-3 red convertible anniversary model in 2002, absolutely still love it, looks like new, fun to drive, will never get rid of it. Love SAAB.
I have 2008 Saab 9-5 Aero producing 300hp and I loving it :D
I´ve got a 95 aero myself, a pity it has to die this year since it wont pass Swedish car inspections which will make it illegal to drive on the road, it´ll be a sad day letting it go...
Is it the v6 turbo? Can you upgrade to bigger turbo on Saabs?
@@thevolvo945fan You sure broo? Let's go to Biltema, get us some of that Biltema-Körv and partszzzz to get her goin' better.
I'm in Skåne btw
You my friend.. you sound like we could get along very well. My dad had a 99 when I was a kid. Then as years went by he got some opel, a Saab 93, an Audi 100, a Jeep. After that he got a 220 hp Saab 95 wich I learned to drive in. Then sadly he hit a moose. Soo.. he got another Saab 95 with 300 hp that I took over when I got my liscense last year. Then he bought a 2007 Saab 95 wich he still has. The 300 hp 95 I drove broke so I got myself a Bmw E39 528i, then a Volvo 744. And I just sold the Volvo and bought a.. yeah you guessed it! A 2004 Saab 95 2,0t. I love Saabs and I will always do.
'07 9-5 Aero owner here. Also pushing 300hp w/ SAS bars, Blistein/Eibach, and full poly bushings.
But when do we got the Jeep
yes Jeep
Never.
Could you make separate episode on DATSUN? Many articles say that "The Original Nissan Z Car Was Never Supposed To Happen" and how Yoshihiko Matsuo had to fight as an Engineer back then to persuade the CEO to make Fairlady 240Z.
Thanks! Loved it. Although in my opinion you missed their greatest car the 9000 / 9-5. I had 2 of them, what a joy to drive. I used to zip around DC beltway traffic like it was standing still. Quality and Attention to detail was off charts, only car company I know of that had pink insulation in the doors. They were reliable only major work was a head gasket and clutch. At 170K miles i'm not complaining.
"Only one aircraft manufacturer makes cars ; Serra ,alpha alpha bravo . SAAB
Mitsubishi also plane manufacturer
Actually it is Svenska aeroplan aktiebolag, which means swedish airplanes Inc. 😂
@@johanssons58 His quoting an old saab commercial.
edit: th-cam.com/video/yDnQ8wxzyD8/w-d-xo.html
Classic 🔥
You could also say Subaru made planes under the name Nakajima. Ford made bombers during the war as well and I am sure there are others that have at least dabbled
i always see SAAB designs are weird in a good way.
My fav Saab is the js39 gripen
I'm 22 and I drive a saab 9-3 1.9 tid estate and I have to say it has to be the best car I have owned absolutely love everything about it drives amazing and pulls like a train.
Someone needs to bring Saab back.
contact the chinese, they can make anything happens.
Damn i waited for this about 2 hrs
Great video but no saab 9000 or ng saab 9-3 or 9-5 not even a mention of the Turbo X!?! But if you love saabs I post a lot about new and old saabs and working on them!!
IKR! My manual Turbo X is so much fun!
Matty Boo yeah I made a part 2 to this video but yeah I wish mine was a manual
Or the 9-4 Aero, that is dope too
Retiq 4:07-4:33
I worked for a SAAB dealer when it was relaunched here in New Zealand. They (the 900i, 9000CS/CD/AERO) were so understatedly brilliant. Had one customer purchase an 9000 AERO, happy with the performance and power but wanted more. So with factory and Abott Racing (England) enhancements his AERO was insane to drive, by that I mean it wanted to be driven hard. I'll never forget that 9000.
What model also not mentioned was the 900S/SE (with the V6 (a bit nose heavy with a great engine sound)). Then came the 9-3, 9-3 AERO, 9-3 Viggen. Replacing the 9000's was the 9-5, 9-5 V6, 9-5 AERO. I know there's lots more to the later models (9-3, 9-5), like using GM (Opel) platforms, just strengthened to SAABs quality. But let's not forget the 9000 platform was shared Fiat (Chroma), Lancia (Thema), Alfa Romeo (164), and some others I can't think of right now.
Shame such a brand should become just another GM generic.
Nobody ever mentions the 9000. :(
I miss my 88 spg so bad...such torque!
Koenigsegg everything you need to know to get up to speed
I've got a saab '93 900, she's my first car and I love her more that ANYTHING. she's so sturdy, so fast, and doesn't have frequent breakdowns like my parents' cars do. Me and my close friend are streetracers, and I won my first race with her :)
love her to pieces, love saab to pieces, and I'll be driving this car until I run it into the ground
how about HONDA NSX TYPE R
VTEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEC
TimothyCow23 hhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmYYYAAAGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
TimothyCow23 u stupid Bitch ass nigga
TimothyCow23 i like your videos
Do vtec in general
TimothyCow23 vteeeeeeeec=vtic
When GM bought SAAB, reliability of SAAB cars went downhill.
Because the only thing that made them SAAB at that point was the name
Opel the same sadly. New opels tend to go wrong
Because reliable cars are not profitable in their eyes. Why make something that will last if you can make something that will break just after the premiere of the next shitty version of your budget car. No Soul, No Passion, Designed for Proffit Only. That's what happened to GM, that's what happened to Volkswagen, that's what Happened to most of the popular car companies. The Cars are no longer the goal, they are the means. If the Corporate Rats at Volkswagen saw switching production to cheese grinders as much more profitable, they would do that. They don't care about making cars, they care about making money and cars are a way to achieve that...
Tell that to my 2004 Saab 94 Aero. She has not once broken down. Far an above the most reliable car I have ever owned.
Literally duh. GM is such garbage, as a company, there cars, even their parts brand.
R.I.P. SAAB
Bosnian SuperTrooper if u wanna see living saabs I post pretty much weekly about them on my channel
Retiq Okay
I grew up in my parents 9-5 and I adore it to this day. I've gone off the road in both this and a Ford S-Max and I can tell you all the SAAB has a certain reassuring atmosphere, it not only is safe, it feels safe as you drive along. The only problem it has is the B205 engine, which is less reliable than the more powerful B235.