>decides to destroy largest civilisation in the franchise >Everyone back to living in mudhuts and junktowns >No more civilisation to be seen >Just as Bethesda likes it
Nah we aren't complaining. We're very greatful the show is actually this good. We were all worried that maybe one of the best games in the series was made non-canon. Imagine if CDPR made witcher 3 non-canon... yeah it wouldn't feel good.
@@Error-5478the witcher show didn't even bother getting the canon of the first game right. and tw3 is non-canon to the book series anyway, as the books and games are wildly different. the show was never canon to anything, it was its own thing
As a Fallout fan trust me I’m very thankful the show is as good as it is, no it’s not perfect and there are some small things they could have done better but overall they did an exceptional job. Of course there will always be a segment of the Fallout fanbase that will never be happy with anything that’s put out, but they don’t represent the majority of us.
Show PROLLY shoulda been a prequel, I think it would have SO MUCH less weight to carry with connecting all these timelines and canonizing game endings etc. I do respect them for trying it tho, its.... not gonna be easy.
I'm less concerned with the timeline and more concerned with the geography. Shady Sands was east and a bit south of San Francisco in Fallout and Fallout 2, but now it's down by the LA Boneyard, which was a location in Fallout that was nowhere near Shady Sands.
i dont necessarily mind them retconning the location so long as they dont butcher the importance of shady sands and its history, but the funny thing is after looking at a map of shady sands location and comparing it to LA and SF locations it would be about equal distance from LA as it was from SF according to its original placement
With 30k+ people and some maybe less than standard settlement classification, let alone some crazy borders (think some modern Gerry-mandering maps and counties, even entire States!) in post-apocalyptic America, it’s possible they’re spread out more. Also like how Tokyo is just massive. That or just shameless retconning.
It *might* be the boneyard. This is me purely coping but this is literally where the Boneyard is. Idk why they call it shady sands - but the timeline is literally not an issue, like obviously you can just assume it blows up later okay cool but youre 100% right im irked about the location
It's also shown to have pre-war ruins in the show which it absolutely should not have considering it was founded in the middle of the desert by Vault 15 refugees
I didn’t understand why the crater was so extremely deep and then there are literal buildings and cars just on the edge and near it. Wouldn’t an explosion that strong just flatten everything within a mile 😂
Crater sizes and shapes resulting from various burst depths (nuke was detonated below surface level)/hights (nuke was detonated above surface level). You can look it up more in The Effect of Nuclear Weapons (1977) paper. So, the crater this big might have come from a buried nuke, or it's just for the visual. Who knows.
@@tofu6469 With it being very close to vault 4 I kinda just assumed it was a buried nuke. Like this is vault tech after all, them burying nukes under cities isn't that far fetched.
I think putting the date at 2274 implies Kimble was the cause of the fall, putting it at 2277 means the battle at hover dam was the fall which Kimble was re elected. Those effects would also be felt in 2281 so I don’t think realistically 2277 would make sense. Idk it’s not a terrible thing can be addressed and maybe fixes but as for now we have to much information for that to be possible.
@@YungBeezer Shady Sands is a major landmark and is the NCR in essence, it was founded by Vault 15 residents, later becoming the NCR's capital when the NCR was founded. Almost 400million people died in 2077 when the bombs fell. In 2281, Shady Sands had almost 35,000 people living in it, that is a ton of people in one place, in this world. The Fall of Rome happened over the course of years, it's just a category used to describe a timeline of what led to it's fall. Yes it takes years for the capital of one of the strongest factions in fallout lore to fall.
It's not difficult to work out. Show is set in 2296 Max looks to be about 23-24yo He looked about 9 or 10 during he flashback. That puts the nuke Somewhere between 2281 and 2283 right after the events of NV
If we go by what is implied by Lucy, she was 6 when her father took her back. She’s in her mid twenties, I’ll say 23. 2296-23+6 is 2279, before NV. Maybe it’s sloppy math or a mistake, but it’s still weird to nuke an important location like that regardless of timeline.
@@crabbowiththestabbo maybe the NCR was starting to become a big deal considering they were establishing themselves as the Main government, which threatened the rich of vaut tec, so they nuker it to deal a blow to the NCR ?
IF they involve the courier from New Vegas they need to do their best to not reveal their identity and gender, so that people can still relate to them and so the air of mystery is there
They have said they won't do any player characters as the Protagonists from 3, NV, and 4 are more than likely all alive still during the show. It doesn't make sense for them to do it, especially with all the hate on the show already.
Honestly, declaring the gender is probably still fine. Wouldn't be the first time, either. FO2 made a lot stuff of FO1 canon than people suspect (Vault Dweller was male, Dogmeat got killed in a laser wall, Ian was recruited and died, VD tackled the Master before Mariposa and went in with guns,...).
2277 was the battle of Hoover Dam, though won, hurt the NCR and marked the start of the downfall of the NCR as a whole. Then the bomb goes off at an undetermined date later.
Yeah makes sense that Hoover Dam stuff and their struggle with the Legion would cause trouble for them as a whole. Plus they were pretty focused on trying to take control or help New Vegas control the Dam. Ceasar probably sent people th o instigate too given his spy networks.
I dont see why they couldn't just do it in texas or somehwere different, where the timeline didnt have to mix up with anything in game. but writers can't write, so lets just scramble up what people already know and say it our original idea
Better than what most writers do which is just ignore continuity or reboot. Though they would still have to tip toe around "some" canon as Texas has been mentioned a handful of times.
Why wouldn't they be made as far as we've seen your choices in FNV don't matter the NCR is destroyed the Legion is nowhere to be seen and New Vegas is in ruins, they took on of the most interesting places in to Fallout world and destroyed it and I'm not sure they have a good reason of doing this
@kosmas173 Because he wanted to make it Canon. That's it but he didn't write the script or had leverage over it . All he did was make sure its accurate to Bethesda version of Fallout .
Can he explain why Shady Sands got nuked over a single person not wanting to come home? And how he obtained a nuke and lugged it across the entire NCR specifically to blow up a town because his wife didn't want to come home?
They blew up shady sands because it was starting to tap into the Tri-Vault water supply, which is how Lucys mother found out about it in the first place. If Hank just took his kids and went home, they would have continued using the water and continued to be noticeable, which would have compromised the integrity of the Tri-Vault experiment.
Still doesn’t make sense you’re telling me the capital of the NCR being nuked would never be mentioned by any NCR person in fallout New Vegas, not even once?
what? The short literally states that Howard said that the bombs falls just after the events of New Vegas. The NCR in New Vegas can't predict the future
Thank you for loading that information, I was trying to figure that part out, but I was too lazy to do research. I was blessed by your short, which you have earned a subscribe to
Here’s my complaint, in the show Shady Sands fell in 2277. New Vegas takes place in 2281. In New Vegas they make references to Shady Sands still being the capitol of NCR.
Yea no that isn't how Shady Sands was destroyed. Hank nuked Shady Sands not the Courier or Ulysses. Even in the Lonesome Road DLC, you can only nuke the I-15 highway to cut off NCR from the Mojave or nuke the Legion river crossing into the Mojave.
@@dagothur2666considering that shady sands traveled from somewhere north of Fresno all the way to Los Angeles, its reasonable to assume it could have been traversing the I15 as it got hit…
I’m considering that Mr House is a real big fan favorite character in the series that he will make an appearance in the show so that would cross out the Legion I believe as a possible cannon ending. (I never beat any RPGS with my ADHD and get sidetracked with literally everything)
@@paulpolzin3733 it didn’t look too lively but I still think house is alive and pulling the strings. Basically they are going to have to canonize one of the endings from new Vegas next season
Still doesn’t make sense. Lucy said her mother died in the famine of ‘77. If the nuke fell in 2277 this would make sense. However, adding for more years creates all sorts of plot holes with Lucy’s age, where her mother was all that time and Hank’s thought process for sending the nuke.
Lucy was a kid, she doesn't remember that time period very well as shown in the show because they make it look like shes in the vault farm then in the last (I think) episode it's shown shes in shady sands in those flash backs, they then say that hank took back the kids but the mum wouldnt join them then hank nuked shady sands at some point after that. Based on what happened in the show it's safe to assume the answer to "where her mother was all that time" is shady sands, as to the answer of hanks thought process for sending the nuke I believe that was told to us in the show during the vault tech board meeting, it went something along the lines of one of the company execs asked what would happen if they came out and people already created settlements (phrased differently I'm sure) and the answer was kill them too. Atleast in the show vault techs goal was to kill everyone and be the leaders of the new world, the only way that would happen is if they killed literally everyone on the surface so hank nuking shady sands was him just following the company directive. If anything him waiting a couple years could be to try throw the blame on someone else, if a vault dweller shows up, leaves then next thing you know you get nuked it's safe to assume it's the vault dweller, if he comes and goes then 4 years later you get nuked it's easier to believe it wasn't him cos why would he wait.
@@TheT4Gz your telling me Lucy’s mother waited 4 years in shady sands without ever trying to get her kids back or anything similar. She was obviously close with Moldaver who is shown to be able to easily break into the vault. In 4 years they probably would have succeeded in breaking in to get the children.
@@Coolinglava Moldaver "broke into the vault" with rose (lucy's mum) pipboy and after the blight in vault 32 and whatever happened there. Also as Shady sands was the NCR capital at the time it would be safe to assume she joined the NCR, who at this time period were at war. since it says on the board that shady sands fell in 77 it's also pretty safe to assume that going to break into a vault to get a new recruits kids would of been pretty low on the priority list compared to the war they were fighting.
Especially as New Vegas showed that there was an entire agricultural system and meat farming. Show is just trash in general in regards to Fallout canon.
I mean it is a classroom right? the lesson could of ended for the day then they pick it up tomorrow. would also explain why it's still on the board and not just erased.
My guy the only issue here is that you don’t know how to read a timeline… there’s an event with a date, and then like the rest of the board an arrow pointing to something different. It REALLY isn’t hard to grasp.
@@TwentyTwoSP "fall of shady sands" with arrow leading to nuke, can't blame people for assuming it is to be interpreted to be shortly after that event (and bad hollywood writing)
The fact you couldn't think of the many possible reasons there wasn't a date there says more about you than the show. For one, they may have simply not wanted to put a date to it yet because they're still working out some of the finer details and mechanics of fitting this new timeline in with the others etc. This is a pretty gargantuan task honestly, Fallout lore is pretty deep, and much of it heresay anyway, or given by unreliable narrators. So meh, but, even if you don't consider this a canonical error, there will likely be more later, its bound to happen. Nobody is perfect.
@@VendettaPSC so did they intend this? or did they mess up and cover their asses because "nobody is perfect" and they forgot the lore in a great game they didn't make, what's your point view? 1) as the viewer it's not up to us to think of the many possible reasons and b) you can't sit on the fence while going out your way to reply to someone about how you kind of think they're wrong.
I can't care less when bombs fall, there are other major issues with the show that just took me right out of the moment. Jets out of the arms of power armor. (come on, we all did the grind to get the jet pack...that goes on the BACK OF THE ARMOR) Baggy vault suits Dead bodies made to look like Pompeii's (zero thoughts went into that ffs) Ghouls needing shots to not be feral And a child's skeleton instead of a Teddy bear...
I think the ghoul drug adds to the world I think it just prolongs your time before turning feral if you are a really old ghoul like prewar or actively turning feral it pushes the turn time back.
I honestly just thought of this. It is in a classroom, so if you think of the chalk board as part of a lesson plan then perhaps there is no date under the drawing of a mushroom cloud because they haven't gotten to that part of the lesson.
But... If you're gonna make a timeline for class listing important events that you'll cover later, you'd still add all the relevant info. Like how you learn WW1 started July 28, 1914 way before you actually cover it (if it appears in a timeline of events, at least). You know. General coverage usually includes dates. Kind of pointless to say "Yeah it happened" and leave it at that. Give the kids SOMETHING.
The billboard outside the crater says something about "The First Capital of the NCR." Though who knows where they moved the capitol to considering the Boneyard was a state of the NCR rather than a settlement.
If the enclave can survive through remnants considering the events of fallout 1... I don't see why the NCR can't survive , by seeking help from locals that support them, the rangers throughout the mojave and other factions like the boomers, or even some legion folks that get assimilated into the NCR after hoover dam. (Edit - Mixed up the enclave and masters mutants when they come steal all the dwellers if you buy them water from the caravan, been a minute for the old games for me)
The Enclave weren't in Fallout 1 at all. They weren't introduced until Fallout 2. And they shouldn't have been brought back in the capacity in which they were in Fallout 3. Bringing them back now would be about as desperate and pathetic as Star Wars Episode IX bringing back the emperor.
@Thagomizer tim cains vision included the Enclave coming back. They were to powerful to have one of many bases bring them down. Also. Palatine had returned years ago in legends.... either know what you are talking about your shut up. You look Hella stupid. Casual.
@@Thagomizer Yeah, 1 & 2 tend to blur together sometimes, been a minute. Thought it was the enclave that came back and gunned down V13, but I was mistaken.
Uh, they literally showed New Vegas at the end of the season. And there were 2 separate bombings. The initial from the beginning of the show then Lucy's dad bombs Shady Sands some 170 years later.
But people were misreading the timeline as the bombing of shady sands occurred in 2277 which would have been before new vegas, even though it was clearly an seperate event after the event "fall of shady sands"
@@Tristyn_WatermanCan you blame them? Episode 5s credits literally confirms its 2277, Bethesda meant this and are now backpedalling after getting criticism.
Look at the end again. New Vegas looks a lot different than in the games. It looks run-down and fucked up. Also freeside and the surrounding area is nowhere to be seen.
@@danieldimov8625 sorry you're just wrong. i know you hate bethesda and are looking for a reason why they did a bad job but the show is really, really, good regardless of your immaturity
@@Tristyn_Waterman I never said the show isn't good? I criticised them for a very clear mistake and you're making it seem like I hate their guts. And where was I being immature?
Guys, remember that in the lonesome road dlc, if you choose to nuke the NCR you don’t actually nuke shady sands, you nuke the long 15 which the NCR used to supply their war with the legion, meaning that the NCR are: 1: Still active, just severely weakened 2: If the courier really did nuke the long 15, it’s possible that either Mr house, yes man or the legion endings for new vegas are the canon ones (I doubt with the fall of shady sands and their main supply route being destroyed they wouldn’t last very long in the war) 3: We might be seeing the legion more in season 2
Finally someone gets it. They don't want to cator to the high standard og fans but will instead try to create a new fandom that only know about the series, 4 and 76.
My personal opinions on what they did to the west coast lore aside, THEY HAVE THE WHOLE COUNTRY that they could of looked at, could of showed entire states that are barely mentioned in lore and built upon that instead, but instead they choose California AGAIN. Leave the west coast be for a while, why not do Texas, Florida, any east coast state we haven’t been to yet, or The entire Middle of the country for that matter! That’s what disappoints me, Bethesda continues to simplify an entire continent down into 4 states and it’s disappointing.
Well it was evident this occured after new Vegas. Maximus as a kid was in the NCR. His name is very legion. I wonder was he a legion survivor/off spring
I don't think it's his birth name. The cleric who interrogates him after Dane gets injured in episode 1 says "we gave you a name, food, education" so I think the brotherhood named him "Maximus" when he joined
@@nathannicelley7502 just the slogan, ad victoriam, other than that the brotherhood generally has American names, paladin danse, Arthur Maxson, Owyn Lyons, Sarah, Teagan, Rylan The legion chooses Latin names, like Caesar, Lanius, Lucius, Alerio, Silius, sure they have real American names they’re hiding, but they very much are Roman cosplayers. I’m thinking after the nuke of shady sands, the brotherhood and legion got mixed together in a unification
he didn't make shady sands, he doesn't care. i don't even think he LIKES fallout very much, its not his baby. It's not Bethesda's baby, they just bought it
I enjoyed the show but there are other things that definitely got changed compared to old lore. This one didn't even bothered me before Todd's explanation. Stuff around ghouls and whatever they consume to not go feral is huge change for example and even if it is not true for every ghoul it seems weird to show two cases in the same show.
A capital has been moved many of times in real life history. It isn't a stretch of the imagination that the NCR named another city Shady sands aswell. Considering the sign said "FIRST" capital.
@@lordmordic8437 this would not make any sense, who launched a nuke in 2277 at Shady Sands and the NCR was able to rebuild 4 years later and expand west with the Legion at the heels?
Man it is messy on how they handle this destroying such an iconic location with no proper context and making it worse when a bunch of these faction less low lives looking crooks holding the NCR banner to battle signify that they are the NCR is terrible Making it straight up, look like the faction itself was wiped out
They could have easily avoided the confusion by having an actual year under the timeline entry for the nuke in Shady sands going off. I also find it strange the fall of Shady Sands starts the same year the NCR won the Battle of Hoover Dam.
If the Yes Man ending is canon, then New Vegas being detroyed/abandoned would make sense in the ending shots. No sharecroppers, no more Camp McCarren, etc. Have the Courier never return from the Divide, have Hank's friend be Ulysses, and Ulysses convinced the Courier to nuke Shady Sands (not the interstate). Then we can have Lanius' promise of "the Legion will return", and the NCR's decline in full swing. Setting up a New Vegas sequel ("New Reno"?) where the protagonist can choose between the Legion, NCR, and other outsiders in the Cali/Nevada region.
No. The nuke from lonesome road is not the same one that nuked shady sands. unless they some how explain how Hank is the same Courier from New Vegas, no. They'll keep it that way so they dont canonize who is the Courier.
@@gonzoclan9603 what did I spoil? That shady sands got nuked? That was mentioned in the short. Hank? I only mentioned his name, not what he does or what he did. If I said Hank kicked a football in Lucy's face as a kid, how would they know if that was a spoiler or not?
@@heroicxidiot Maybe Hank saw and responded to the Nuke the Courier sent, tried to retaliate and miscalculated the distance and accidentaly hit Shady Sands
It was shocking to me, at first, that the capital was nuked at all, but once I thought about it. It makes sense. In New Vegas, the first thing you hear about them is that they expand fast and make lots of enemies. And their own soldiers and citizens know things aren't going well, and not just in the Mojave.
What this tells me is that the Interstate I-15 is still open after 300 years in the future. Someone is still traveling back and forth from Vegas to southern California.
Bethesda should have just stayed on the east coast tbh instead of trying to reinvent the wheel on the west coast by nuking roughly about 100ish years of rebuilding the world across several games. I feel like if he just said it wasn't Canon, we wouldn't necessarily be this divided.
well what’s the point of even having fallout? Like yea the theme is war never changes why would you want them to rebuild? that would make not only the west unplayable but also midwest. Do you guys want like a rebuilding simulator or something?
I mean, even Avellone didn't like the direction the NCR was taking. Besides, the NCR was doomed to fail after Tandi's death. I don't like that their destruction was with a nuke though.
War never changes... But men DO. And instead of walking in endless wastelands, it's natural and logical for people to unite and recreate civilization, to create new societies, new countries and governments! That was the major point of Fallout 2 and New Vegas. People aren't just surviving, they LIVE, they adapt!
The real issue is that this is even a thing, and that the West coast fallout games might as well have not happened (BoS is big again, towns are made of junk, then enclave is back, the NCR doesn't matter, and the legion isn't even mentioned)
Hey hate to be that guy but the TV show canonically takes place 15 years after new vegas and it is also 9 years after fallout 4, we haven't seen this far into the lore of the games yet and this takes place at the latest point on the timeline and also takes place in California which is in the west coast and everything is still canon its just a creative decision for the future timeline not the past timeline
>enclave is back come on this happens like after every fallout games. >BoS is big again literally said they are declining, and it shows. >Towns are made of Junk tbf, we never visited any of the big cities aside from destroyed ruins of Shady Sands >NCR doesn't matter We don't know what really happened to NCR aside from Shady Sands. They could've easily moved their capital elsewhere. Also I feel like the direction of whole show will be about rebuilding NCR or its spiritual successor. >Legion isn't even mentioned Is NV like the only fallout game you played...? They are a minor faction that existed briefly in overall westcoast canon.
@dirtiestharry6551 minor faction? They were fighting a gigantic war with control of 2 entire states and expansion into colorado into Utah, territoriality they'd literally be the biggest and they to sustain such a massive war they'd have to have 100s of thousands of citizens. They have spies all over NCR territory and even if they'd lost entirely they'd still be a massive topic. Hundreds of thousands of California citizens would be veterans or have known veterans of the war and there would likely be a large amount of old legion money and relics in the west as well as legion veterans/former slaves or ex-frumentarii. They aren't particularly old and they'd at the latest still existed only 19 years ago. The majority of legion (especially legion) and NCR soldiers were barely 20. The fact no marks of them have been seen yet is very strange. Also the fact the BOS aren't being attacked or spat at in the streets by NCR citizens who'd remember the BOS war is just strange.
@@ultra-papasmurf Your overblowing the Legion the furthest they made it was the Mojave why would there be that big of an influence especially 15 years later in California (since they probably don't exist anymore without Caesar's leadership), same can be said for the BoS they were in hiding for 15 or more years because they lost to the NCR the average person probably didn't hear about the BoS other than stories of the war and I think the destruction of Shady Sands would be the thing people would be hung up on over past wars and factions that are long gone in their eyes.
@@danieldimov8625the Fallout TV series doesn't even follow Fallout 3, Fallout 4, or Fallout 76 canon that Todd and his team wrote themselves. Completely pathetic retcons, but remember you're an incel and need to touch grass for seeing it ./s
And the show doesn't specify a date for it's destruction, people just misread a timeline. The NCR was dying by 2281, everyone says so in NV, that's likely what they're talking about.
@@voodoominerman They clearly meant it to be 2277 judging by episode 5s credits and are now backpedaling after getting backlash for not knowing the lore. And the NCR wasn't dying by 2281, they were simply spread too thin judging by the comments of the soldiers.
So in season 2 deathclaws won’t be the apex predator of the wasteland? Judging by how Hank walked over a deathclaw skull (and for some reason a F4 deathclaw skull) that means the tunnelers are in the Mojave now like Ulysses said.
LOL, agreeeeeeed bro. But Juice wouldn't be a bog standard TH-camr if he didn't sensationalize everything he could for his money. Mainstream media bleeding into independent media due to the same human mechanics.
Why would you use a nuke to nuke a place 200 years after a nuclear war? You’d think people then would be terrified of nukes. Humanity never learns, in Fallout anyway. Terrible. But the storyline of Fallout is scarily close to the truth these days.
@@Friedchickenlover911I was gonna say that, "War never changes" quote means that it doesnt matter how many changes, opportunities, or pain humans faces, war is bound to human nature
You say "humanity never learns" when the BOS is just a few miles away? Bruh only reason the NCR got nuked is cuz they fought the BOS. If they walked freely the NCR nobody would have any nukes anymore.
Nah. He did the same job he always did but when he has a better product to promote you're appreciative. I am not going to forgive him pedaling us garbage and manipulating the truth to sell us.
@@Tristyn_WatermanNV now has a canonical ending, there are three vaults smack dab in LA which went unfound for 100 years including during the time the Master was searching for them, Shady Sands is now in the Boneyard for some reason, they clearly meant for Shady Sands to be nuked in 2277 judging by episode 5s credits and are now backpedalling after the backlash, ghouls now require some sort of liquid to not go feral which has never been mentioned in the 7+ games.
Called it. No sane person would make an arrow in a time line to show something that happened simultaneously.
INSANITY RULES!!!
I don't believe it either but I rather they put it clear and leave no room for questioning. Nothing wrong with that right?
100% agree. This whole TV shows just dumb.
@@Craikillrhow is it dumb if it was great
@@CraikillrI think you missed the point
Looks like Ulysses won 💀
First the bear then the bull
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I thought this but Instead thought the courier done it but sadly it's not the case.
@@KielCrassus
Nah man me and you can f****** say these hands is f****** Cannon f*** that😂
looking like the courier tried to wipe the board more like
How much would this have hurt the NCR with how far they were stretched across the states and thwir presence in Califonia
Probably not much shady sands had 30,000 people compared to 700,000 total population of the ncr
@@kalikagamers But wasn't it the Capital or was it just the foundation?
The NCR are still alive?
@@ztk1138 They had a population of over 700k so I would guess around 10k - 50k worth of troops maybe less, maybe more
@@kalikagamersit actually says more than 700k. Their logic makes no sense.
Legate Lanius : thanks…Hank?? 🗿
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Tired of nerds. It good show. Away better then halo series
@@pooooo52is bro a cave man 😭😭😭
@@pooooo52 Do you watch paint dry? That seems like it'd be Show of year for ya.
@@pooooo52English be like:
@@pooooo52[SNEERING IMPERIALIST] lol
>decides to destroy largest civilisation in the franchise
>Everyone back to living in mudhuts and junktowns
>No more civilisation to be seen
>Just as Bethesda likes it
It was only one city.
@@FlakoDaDon-DadaYou don't even understand what you're commenting on
The brainlets that enjoy the Bethesda Fallouts more than Interplay/Obsidian shows a serious rot
@@wheezer6695 Oh no.... I'm sorry. I could have swore this was a comment on a TH-cam short. Thank you so much for saving me 😩😩
@FlakoDaDon-Dada You're basically a Disney Starwars fan little girl. Educate yourself, we don't have time to explain it to you.
As a witcher fan seeing everybody complain about this hurts me. Yall have no idea how much Amazon could have screwed this up 🤦♂️
Same thing with the halo show, it couldve been soooo much worse
Nah we aren't complaining. We're very greatful the show is actually this good. We were all worried that maybe one of the best games in the series was made non-canon. Imagine if CDPR made witcher 3 non-canon... yeah it wouldn't feel good.
@@Evan-or6ipat least the halo show don’t go “the UNSC is tiny and broken don’t worry it will make a comeback just wait 3 years”
@@Error-5478the witcher show didn't even bother getting the canon of the first game right. and tw3 is non-canon to the book series anyway, as the books and games are wildly different. the show was never canon to anything, it was its own thing
As a Fallout fan trust me I’m very thankful the show is as good as it is, no it’s not perfect and there are some small things they could have done better but overall they did an exceptional job. Of course there will always be a segment of the Fallout fanbase that will never be happy with anything that’s put out, but they don’t represent the majority of us.
I’m more mad they moved shady sands and got rid of the boneyard tbh, or made it that the master missed like 3 whole vaults?
Show PROLLY shoulda been a prequel, I think it would have SO MUCH less weight to carry with connecting all these timelines and canonizing game endings etc. I do respect them for trying it tho, its.... not gonna be easy.
That's the point. Todd wants it ALL gone.
I'm less concerned with the timeline and more concerned with the geography. Shady Sands was east and a bit south of San Francisco in Fallout and Fallout 2, but now it's down by the LA Boneyard, which was a location in Fallout that was nowhere near Shady Sands.
i dont necessarily mind them retconning the location so long as they dont butcher the importance of shady sands and its history, but the funny thing is after looking at a map of shady sands location and comparing it to LA and SF locations it would be about equal distance from LA as it was from SF according to its original placement
With 30k+ people and some maybe less than standard settlement classification, let alone some crazy borders (think some modern Gerry-mandering maps and counties, even entire States!) in post-apocalyptic America, it’s possible they’re spread out more. Also like how Tokyo is just massive. That or just shameless retconning.
It *might* be the boneyard. This is me purely coping but this is literally where the Boneyard is. Idk why they call it shady sands - but the timeline is literally not an issue, like obviously you can just assume it blows up later okay cool but youre 100% right im irked about the location
It's also shown to have pre-war ruins in the show which it absolutely should not have considering it was founded in the middle of the desert by Vault 15 refugees
@@ritac2214 exa
I didn’t understand why the crater was so extremely deep and then there are literal buildings and cars just on the edge and near it. Wouldn’t an explosion that strong just flatten everything within a mile 😂
Now you're reading too much into science fiction. Mini nukes should have a much larger radius, but hey, it's a game
Wouldn't irradiated humans just die and not turn into Ghouls and Super Mutants?
Come on, this is sci fi.
Crater sizes and shapes resulting from various burst depths (nuke was detonated below surface level)/hights (nuke was detonated above surface level). You can look it up more in The Effect of Nuclear Weapons (1977) paper. So, the crater this big might have come from a buried nuke, or it's just for the visual. Who knows.
@@tofu6469 With it being very close to vault 4 I kinda just assumed it was a buried nuke. Like this is vault tech after all, them burying nukes under cities isn't that far fetched.
@@yetibeardson1168never played the game have you
I always just assumed that 2277 was the beginning of the fall, and that it likely fell a year or two after the game ended.
You'd be right
A city doesn’t take years to fall
I think putting the date at 2274 implies Kimble was the cause of the fall, putting it at 2277 means the battle at hover dam was the fall which Kimble was re elected. Those effects would also be felt in 2281 so I don’t think realistically 2277 would make sense. Idk it’s not a terrible thing can be addressed and maybe fixes but as for now we have to much information for that to be possible.
Same, it would make more sense
@@YungBeezer Shady Sands is a major landmark and is the NCR in essence, it was founded by Vault 15 residents, later becoming the NCR's capital when the NCR was founded. Almost 400million people died in 2077 when the bombs fell. In 2281, Shady Sands had almost 35,000 people living in it, that is a ton of people in one place, in this world. The Fall of Rome happened over the course of years, it's just a category used to describe a timeline of what led to it's fall. Yes it takes years for the capital of one of the strongest factions in fallout lore to fall.
It's not difficult to work out.
Show is set in 2296
Max looks to be about 23-24yo
He looked about 9 or 10 during he flashback.
That puts the nuke Somewhere between 2281 and 2283 right after the events of NV
If we go by what is implied by Lucy, she was 6 when her father took her back. She’s in her mid twenties, I’ll say 23. 2296-23+6 is 2279, before NV. Maybe it’s sloppy math or a mistake, but it’s still weird to nuke an important location like that regardless of timeline.
@@crabbowiththestabbo maybe the NCR was starting to become a big deal considering they were establishing themselves as the Main government, which threatened the rich of vaut tec, so they nuker it to deal a blow to the NCR ?
@@crabbowiththestabbo I think seeing the NCR in decline and on the backfoot is a very interesting development, personally.
and who says their calendars are all that accurate anyway. the robots keep saying the radiation is messing with their chrono-whatsis-whosis.
@@a-rat-in-your-walls Agreed, but I hope they make a comeback in season 2. They're next to the Enclave for my favorite faction in the franchise 😬
NEXT TIME, YOU INVITE PAM
That's the railroads assaultron right?
@@beanie.weanie IS FINAL PAM
Don't worry mate I get the reference
@8BitsOfFun1323 sadly it appeared that beanie did not. A shame.
@@bananonymoussupreme3345 shut upp
i still feel robbed of seeing shady sands in its glory. oh well.
There's no reason that can't still happen. Flashbacks are a thing.
@@yetibeardson1168 bro they ruined what the early games tried to build on
@@damianosplay9457 How exactly?
@@damianosplay9457you mean like how new vegas build and set up NCR's downfall?
@@damianosplay9457The NCR was already damaged and starting to decline after the Battle of Hoover Dam
IF they involve the courier from New Vegas they need to do their best to not reveal their identity and gender, so that people can still relate to them and so the air of mystery is there
I think they should just mention him or her in passing
@@retrogamer6750 or make the courier like mysterious in the shadow or something
They have said they won't do any player characters as the Protagonists from 3, NV, and 4 are more than likely all alive still during the show. It doesn't make sense for them to do it, especially with all the hate on the show already.
Honestly, declaring the gender is probably still fine. Wouldn't be the first time, either. FO2 made a lot stuff of FO1 canon than people suspect (Vault Dweller was male, Dogmeat got killed in a laser wall, Ian was recruited and died, VD tackled the Master before Mariposa and went in with guns,...).
We can't have that have to make sure it's diverse. Didn't you know the courier was a strong black trans woman who was fighting the power 😂😂😂
2277 was the battle of Hoover Dam, though won, hurt the NCR and marked the start of the downfall of the NCR as a whole. Then the bomb goes off at an undetermined date later.
Yeah makes sense that Hoover Dam stuff and their struggle with the Legion would cause trouble for them as a whole. Plus they were pretty focused on trying to take control or help New Vegas control the Dam.
Ceasar probably sent people th o instigate too given his spy networks.
Why was it undetermined tho? The people in the vault forgot the date?
Speculation is around 2281 based on a certain characters age who was at Shady Sands when it blew
NCR didn't won LOL. Bethesda always go the neutral ending, either House or Courier took Hoover Dam.
@@brodull1142 2277 was the first battle. NCR won that and started the whole downfall thing
I dont see why they couldn't just do it in texas or somehwere different, where the timeline didnt have to mix up with anything in game. but writers can't write, so lets just scramble up what people already know and say it our original idea
Better than what most writers do which is just ignore continuity or reboot. Though they would still have to tip toe around "some" canon as Texas has been mentioned a handful of times.
They came out and confirm that the nuke was after the game and people still mad
just a bunch of Purists, Man
ncr cultist are insane jsut like in the game
Mad of what? The timeline and continuity cleared up. That's all that matters
Why wouldn't they be made as far as we've seen your choices in FNV don't matter the NCR is destroyed the Legion is nowhere to be seen and New Vegas is in ruins, they took on of the most interesting places in to Fallout world and destroyed it and I'm not sure they have a good reason of doing this
@@timothyharris1125more like peanuts
If anyone believes ANYTHING Todd says at this point...You deserve what you get.
Praying the the courier and Ulysses are at the very least mentioned and have a huge part due to their actions for season 2
Todd: I don’t hate the ncr
Also Todd: “Blows up the NCR Capital”
Did you not watch the video that said Todd had no control over the show.
How dense are you man, he literally said that wasn’t his idea, not only that but it’s only season one bro
@@proudbeanerii3810 then why would he make it canon???
@kosmas173 Because he wanted to make it Canon. That's it but he didn't write the script or had leverage over it . All he did was make sure its accurate to Bethesda version of Fallout .
Isnt it bad writing/set design if you have to explain this in a interview outside of the show itself?
Can he explain why Shady Sands got nuked over a single person not wanting to come home? And how he obtained a nuke and lugged it across the entire NCR specifically to blow up a town because his wife didn't want to come home?
My theory is vault tec had remote nukes installed underground since before the war.
LOL. I've done weirder stuff in the games, this makes perfect sense in Fallout world.
FO76 confirmed vault tec intended to use nuclear weapons post war.
They blew up shady sands because it was starting to tap into the Tri-Vault water supply, which is how Lucys mother found out about it in the first place. If Hank just took his kids and went home, they would have continued using the water and continued to be noticeable, which would have compromised the integrity of the Tri-Vault experiment.
@@barryallenporter8127that would be cool especially since at he start of the show you can’t see any missles in the air
Still doesn’t make sense you’re telling me the capital of the NCR being nuked would never be mentioned by any NCR person in fallout New Vegas, not even once?
what? The short literally states that Howard said that the bombs falls just after the events of New Vegas. The NCR in New Vegas can't predict the future
Thank you for loading that information, I was trying to figure that part out, but I was too lazy to do research. I was blessed by your short, which you have earned a subscribe to
Here’s my complaint, in the show Shady Sands fell in 2277. New Vegas takes place in 2281. In New Vegas they make references to Shady Sands still being the capitol of NCR.
"These timelines are meant to be separate" I'm guessing the show isn't canon to the games?
@@appletherapyits cannon to the games
@@appletherapy he said timeline entries
@@joenutsack9486It's the new tactics
I think by "fall" they mean like the fall of rome as in the begining of a decline
What? Todd Howard considers New Vegas canon? No way, this ain't Todd
He got baptized by Gabe Newell and is on his redemption arc
Wdym? It's always been canon and Todd never said otherwise. Are you high?
@@nunya_bizniz en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joke
Shut up @@nunya_bizniz
@@ni06no I'm right so there's that.
I’m not trusting Todd Howard with any promises 🤣
I guess the confusion is from the lack of a year under the bomb,
This tells me that the end of LR NCR nukes are canon, wondering if the Legion got nuked, too?
Why would it be canon, Hank was the one who nukes shady sands?
Yea no that isn't how Shady Sands was destroyed. Hank nuked Shady Sands not the Courier or Ulysses. Even in the Lonesome Road DLC, you can only nuke the I-15 highway to cut off NCR from the Mojave or nuke the Legion river crossing into the Mojave.
@@dagothur2666considering that shady sands traveled from somewhere north of Fresno all the way to Los Angeles, its reasonable to assume it could have been traversing the I15 as it got hit…
I’m considering that Mr House is a real big fan favorite character in the series that he will make an appearance in the show so that would cross out the Legion I believe as a possible cannon ending. (I never beat any RPGS with my ADHD and get sidetracked with literally everything)
Bethesda way too safe to use the legion in anything
I just hope that his:" You havent sen the last of the NCR" isnt followed by a yet
Every military fades
They probably still have a headquarters in new Vegas
@@TGP795I don't know, New Vegas looks dead.
@@paulpolzin3733 it didn’t look too lively but I still think house is alive and pulling the strings. Basically they are going to have to canonize one of the endings from new Vegas next season
@@TGP795 Yeah, that's true.
Can you just IMAGINE the reaction of Ceasar's Legion to that?
But what does "The fall of Shady Sands" mean? It was still the capital of NCR during New Vegas in 2281...
How about the location of Shady Sands? that’s what is bothering me
I hope we see the NCR come back in full force. I'd love to see a well put together NCR in live action. Not just remnants
Still doesn’t make sense. Lucy said her mother died in the famine of ‘77. If the nuke fell in 2277 this would make sense. However, adding for more years creates all sorts of plot holes with Lucy’s age, where her mother was all that time and Hank’s thought process for sending the nuke.
Lucy was a kid, she doesn't remember that time period very well as shown in the show because they make it look like shes in the vault farm then in the last (I think) episode it's shown shes in shady sands in those flash backs, they then say that hank took back the kids but the mum wouldnt join them then hank nuked shady sands at some point after that.
Based on what happened in the show it's safe to assume the answer to "where her mother was all that time" is shady sands, as to the answer of hanks thought process for sending the nuke I believe that was told to us in the show during the vault tech board meeting, it went something along the lines of one of the company execs asked what would happen if they came out and people already created settlements (phrased differently I'm sure) and the answer was kill them too.
Atleast in the show vault techs goal was to kill everyone and be the leaders of the new world, the only way that would happen is if they killed literally everyone on the surface so hank nuking shady sands was him just following the company directive. If anything him waiting a couple years could be to try throw the blame on someone else, if a vault dweller shows up, leaves then next thing you know you get nuked it's safe to assume it's the vault dweller, if he comes and goes then 4 years later you get nuked it's easier to believe it wasn't him cos why would he wait.
@@TheT4Gz your telling me Lucy’s mother waited 4 years in shady sands without ever trying to get her kids back or anything similar. She was obviously close with Moldaver who is shown to be able to easily break into the vault. In 4 years they probably would have succeeded in breaking in to get the children.
@@Coolinglava Moldaver "broke into the vault" with rose (lucy's mum) pipboy and after the blight in vault 32 and whatever happened there. Also as Shady sands was the NCR capital at the time it would be safe to assume she joined the NCR, who at this time period were at war. since it says on the board that shady sands fell in 77 it's also pretty safe to assume that going to break into a vault to get a new recruits kids would of been pretty low on the priority list compared to the war they were fighting.
Especially as New Vegas showed that there was an entire agricultural system and meat farming. Show is just trash in general in regards to Fallout canon.
You did not watch the show
well if the NCR is going to be a part of the lore, I would expect the Legion to make an appearance as well
So they just have 2277 pointing to a mushroom cloud with no other date shown for shits and giggles?
I mean it is a classroom right? the lesson could of ended for the day then they pick it up tomorrow. would also explain why it's still on the board and not just erased.
My guy the only issue here is that you don’t know how to read a timeline… there’s an event with a date, and then like the rest of the board an arrow pointing to something different. It REALLY isn’t hard to grasp.
@@TwentyTwoSP "fall of shady sands" with arrow leading to nuke, can't blame people for assuming it is to be interpreted to be shortly after that event (and bad hollywood writing)
The fact you couldn't think of the many possible reasons there wasn't a date there says more about you than the show. For one, they may have simply not wanted to put a date to it yet because they're still working out some of the finer details and mechanics of fitting this new timeline in with the others etc.
This is a pretty gargantuan task honestly, Fallout lore is pretty deep, and much of it heresay anyway, or given by unreliable narrators. So meh, but, even if you don't consider this a canonical error, there will likely be more later, its bound to happen. Nobody is perfect.
@@VendettaPSC so did they intend this? or did they mess up and cover their asses because "nobody is perfect" and they forgot the lore in a great game they didn't make, what's your point view? 1) as the viewer it's not up to us to think of the many possible reasons and b) you can't sit on the fence while going out your way to reply to someone about how you kind of think they're wrong.
I can't care less when bombs fall, there are other major issues with the show that just took me right out of the moment.
Jets out of the arms of power armor. (come on, we all did the grind to get the jet pack...that goes on the BACK OF THE ARMOR)
Baggy vault suits
Dead bodies made to look like Pompeii's (zero thoughts went into that ffs)
Ghouls needing shots to not be feral
And a child's skeleton instead of a Teddy bear...
I think the ghoul drug adds to the world I think it just prolongs your time before turning feral if you are a really old ghoul like prewar or actively turning feral it pushes the turn time back.
Also whats wrong with child skeleton? It was a brutal scene to show the reality of war.
baggy vault suits are known as utility suits and theyve been around since fallout 3 tho
Bro’s just mad he didn’t get to stare at Goosey in skintight latex
"Baggy vault suits" shut the fuk up and even if that was a problem that's literally nothing
I honestly just thought of this. It is in a classroom, so if you think of the chalk board as part of a lesson plan then perhaps there is no date under the drawing of a mushroom cloud because they haven't gotten to that part of the lesson.
But... If you're gonna make a timeline for class listing important events that you'll cover later, you'd still add all the relevant info. Like how you learn WW1 started July 28, 1914 way before you actually cover it (if it appears in a timeline of events, at least). You know. General coverage usually includes dates. Kind of pointless to say "Yeah it happened" and leave it at that. Give the kids SOMETHING.
Shady Sands may have been the capital of the NCR, but it wasn’t their only home. And a fully powered L.A. Boneyard is a great trade off.
The billboard outside the crater says something about "The First Capital of the NCR." Though who knows where they moved the capitol to considering the Boneyard was a state of the NCR rather than a settlement.
@@andrewwilsey187 probably the hub
@@andrewwilsey187 Kimball was from the hub, so he likely moved it there if he survived the canon ending of NV and the shady sands bombing.
Todd Howard doesn't even know what goes on in fallout
Yeah, he's never understood the IP
The ending shot of season one over looking it… I got chills frr
If the enclave can survive through remnants considering the events of fallout 1... I don't see why the NCR can't survive , by seeking help from locals that support them, the rangers throughout the mojave and other factions like the boomers, or even some legion folks that get assimilated into the NCR after hoover dam. (Edit - Mixed up the enclave and masters mutants when they come steal all the dwellers if you buy them water from the caravan, been a minute for the old games for me)
The Enclave weren't in Fallout 1 at all. They weren't introduced until Fallout 2. And they shouldn't have been brought back in the capacity in which they were in Fallout 3. Bringing them back now would be about as desperate and pathetic as Star Wars Episode IX bringing back the emperor.
@Thagomizer tim cains vision included the Enclave coming back. They were to powerful to have one of many bases bring them down. Also. Palatine had returned years ago in legends.... either know what you are talking about your shut up. You look Hella stupid. Casual.
The NCR has a population of 700,000,. Shady Sands population & surrounding areas was 30+ thousand.. the NCR isn't dead at all bruh.
@@Thagomizer Yeah, 1 & 2 tend to blur together sometimes, been a minute. Thought it was the enclave that came back and gunned down V13, but I was mistaken.
I mean they had the NCR flag in vault 4, they arent gone
Wait people thought the bomb dropped in 77? Who uses an arrow on a timeline to mean simultaneously
Who starts using pictographs randomly in a time line?
They clearly meant it to be 2277 and are now backpedalling, episode 5's credits confirms this.
@@hughmann9568 In a classroom? maybe someone trying to break up a wall of text for kids.
New Vegas fans, HA.
@@hughmann9568The people who live in the fallout universe
And todd howard also promised proper fallout 76 collectors edition instead of a low quality nylon bag. Man doesnt know what hes talking about.
He's like a car salesman but for games. Very scummy and will say whatever needed to be said to sell you.
@@user-un8jx8yo7z 16x THE DETAIL!
He made the games idiot, so compared to you he does
Wow, Todd finally acknowledged New Vegas.
Too bad he acknowledged it by literally nuking a huge part of its canon
Where? The NCR were depicted as stagnating in 2281 due to the corrupting influence of water barons
@@daedalus6433yea but it happened offscreen basically
@@namelessking4146 A lot of things happening in the NCR were told to us in New Vegas, and not shown.
@@daedalus6433 plus retcons
@@daedalus6433 that's because New Vegas doesn't actually take place inside NCR territory
Uh, they literally showed New Vegas at the end of the season. And there were 2 separate bombings. The initial from the beginning of the show then Lucy's dad bombs Shady Sands some 170 years later.
But people were misreading the timeline as the bombing of shady sands occurred in 2277 which would have been before new vegas, even though it was clearly an seperate event after the event "fall of shady sands"
@@Tristyn_WatermanCan you blame them? Episode 5s credits literally confirms its 2277, Bethesda meant this and are now backpedalling after getting criticism.
Look at the end again. New Vegas looks a lot different than in the games. It looks run-down and fucked up. Also freeside and the surrounding area is nowhere to be seen.
@@danieldimov8625 sorry you're just wrong. i know you hate bethesda and are looking for a reason why they did a bad job but the show is really, really, good regardless of your immaturity
@@Tristyn_Waterman I never said the show isn't good? I criticised them for a very clear mistake and you're making it seem like I hate their guts. And where was I being immature?
Guys, remember that in the lonesome road dlc, if you choose to nuke the NCR you don’t actually nuke shady sands, you nuke the long 15 which the NCR used to supply their war with the legion, meaning that the NCR are:
1: Still active, just severely weakened
2: If the courier really did nuke the long 15, it’s possible that either Mr house, yes man or the legion endings for new vegas are the canon ones (I doubt with the fall of shady sands and their main supply route being destroyed they wouldn’t last very long in the war)
3: We might be seeing the legion more in season 2
The fallout fan does not matter, just the greater potential audience
Bro this entire show was built for the fans, they explain nothing, only people who played the games actually understand any of what is going on
Tim the Fallfather himself loved the show and said it feels like fallout. Take of that info what you will.
Finally someone gets it. They don't want to cator to the high standard og fans but will instead try to create a new fandom that only know about the series, 4 and 76.
The problem is they blew up somebody else's work to tell a worse version of the story that was already told there.
Feels like fallout, it is fallout.@@PeppinSpaghett.
Did Howard just admit that Bethesda came up with the idea to screw over Obsidian, and he didn't look into it?
No do you not watch this video?
It was a retcon and the show runners scrabbled to make an excuse for it.
Simple as that really.
imagine thinking about new factions an creatures instead of using the brotherhood and enclave in every fucking bethesda fallout
How about talk about the location of shady sands being moved to the boneyard
It wouldn’t be a fallout product if it didn’t need to be fixed after launch
My personal opinions on what they did to the west coast lore aside, THEY HAVE THE WHOLE COUNTRY that they could of looked at, could of showed entire states that are barely mentioned in lore and built upon that instead, but instead they choose California AGAIN.
Leave the west coast be for a while, why not do Texas, Florida, any east coast state we haven’t been to yet, or The entire Middle of the country for that matter! That’s what disappoints me, Bethesda continues to simplify an entire continent down into 4 states and it’s disappointing.
Fallout 1 and 2....
And we go to Todd Howard for lore and advice...
Is anyone surprised?
I’m just very very depressed we did not see the mysterious stranger.
I will never again purchase his games again
If Shady Sands had already "fallen", why bomb it?
“Because we can”
Well it was evident this occured after new Vegas. Maximus as a kid was in the NCR. His name is very legion. I wonder was he a legion survivor/off spring
I don't think it's his birth name. The cleric who interrogates him after Dane gets injured in episode 1 says "we gave you a name, food, education" so I think the brotherhood named him "Maximus" when he joined
@@Tristyn_Waterman That is a very good point!
Interesting
Brotherhood also uses Latin words
@@nathannicelley7502 just the slogan, ad victoriam, other than that the brotherhood generally has American names, paladin danse, Arthur Maxson, Owyn Lyons, Sarah, Teagan, Rylan
The legion chooses Latin names, like Caesar, Lanius, Lucius, Alerio, Silius, sure they have real American names they’re hiding, but they very much are Roman cosplayers. I’m thinking after the nuke of shady sands, the brotherhood and legion got mixed together in a unification
I like how no one watched the show and was like oh yeah i blew up shady sands in Lonesome Road for better loot.
he didn't make shady sands, he doesn't care. i don't even think he LIKES fallout very much, its not his baby. It's not Bethesda's baby, they just bought it
Obsidian didn't create fallout either.
@@Tobythefirst1 Nope. I like what they did with it better than what bethesda did, but it's not lived up to its potential since bethesda bought the IP
@@Tobythefirst1 Nope but it had people who cared, like some of the FO1/2 devs.
Exactly !
I enjoyed the show but there are other things that definitely got changed compared to old lore. This one didn't even bothered me before Todd's explanation. Stuff around ghouls and whatever they consume to not go feral is huge change for example and even if it is not true for every ghoul it seems weird to show two cases in the same show.
The show had bigger plot holes than the shady sands nuclear crater.
My beloved republic. What have you done?
The fall of shady sands still doesn’t make sense considering the entirety of the NCR in New Vegas still acts like it’s there.
It could be referring to a "Fall of The Roman Empire" kind of thing. Not necessarily Shady Sands literal destruction
@@lordmordic8437 In that case it would be the decline of Shady Sands.
A capital has been moved many of times in real life history. It isn't a stretch of the imagination that the NCR named another city Shady sands aswell. Considering the sign said "FIRST" capital.
@@captainhook5513 that's apologetics. However you are on to something.
@@lordmordic8437 this would not make any sense, who launched a nuke in 2277 at Shady Sands and the NCR was able to rebuild 4 years later and expand west with the Legion at the heels?
My question is: where is Shady Sands?!?? Why is it is LA in the show???
Man it is messy on how they handle this destroying such an iconic location with no proper context and making it worse when a bunch of these faction less low lives looking crooks holding the NCR banner to battle signify that they are the NCR is terrible Making it straight up, look like the faction itself was wiped out
Imagine the Ghoul Meeting Max Level Courier 💀
They could have easily avoided the confusion by having an actual year under the timeline entry for the nuke in Shady sands going off. I also find it strange the fall of Shady Sands starts the same year the NCR won the Battle of Hoover Dam.
Empire's rise and fall fren, because War, war never changes.
You know, I never thought I’d be sad to learn that the NCR didn’t work out (I’ve never liked them, even in Fo2), but here we are.
Bruh the fact that the ppl making the tv show came up with the idea makes it so much worse
If the Yes Man ending is canon, then New Vegas being detroyed/abandoned would make sense in the ending shots. No sharecroppers, no more Camp McCarren, etc.
Have the Courier never return from the Divide, have Hank's friend be Ulysses, and Ulysses convinced the Courier to nuke Shady Sands (not the interstate).
Then we can have Lanius' promise of "the Legion will return", and the NCR's decline in full swing. Setting up a New Vegas sequel ("New Reno"?) where the protagonist can choose between the Legion, NCR, and other outsiders in the Cali/Nevada region.
The show is heavy into figures from before the war so it’ll be house in the next season especially since they showed him off in the last episode
Does this mean that in the Lonesome Road dlc choosing the target ncr with the nuke is cannon?
Or am I missing something?
Watch the show cuz the origin is explained in the last episode
No. The nuke from lonesome road is not the same one that nuked shady sands. unless they some how explain how Hank is the same Courier from New Vegas, no. They'll keep it that way so they dont canonize who is the Courier.
@@heroicxidiot fallout fan try not to spoil everything challenge
@@gonzoclan9603 what did I spoil? That shady sands got nuked? That was mentioned in the short. Hank? I only mentioned his name, not what he does or what he did. If I said Hank kicked a football in Lucy's face as a kid, how would they know if that was a spoiler or not?
@@heroicxidiot Maybe Hank saw and responded to the Nuke the Courier sent, tried to retaliate and miscalculated the distance and accidentaly hit Shady Sands
I just wanna know why shady sands is now in LA tbh
Somebody tag Oxhorn he’s talked about it in 3 different videos one of which was after this interview.
Exactly what i was thinking. It wasnt that hard to deduce
There will never be another fallout game at the level of nv or 1 or 2 because people are praising mediocrity.
It was shocking to me, at first, that the capital was nuked at all, but once I thought about it. It makes sense. In New Vegas, the first thing you hear about them is that they expand fast and make lots of enemies. And their own soldiers and citizens know things aren't going well, and not just in the Mojave.
im sorry but i cant be the only one that thought the show was boring
Mane dat show sucked kuh😂
Nah, there's like 5 of yah around here somewhere. :P
What this tells me is that the Interstate I-15 is still open after 300 years in the future. Someone is still traveling back and forth from Vegas to southern California.
Bethesda should have just stayed on the east coast tbh instead of trying to reinvent the wheel on the west coast by nuking roughly about 100ish years of rebuilding the world across several games. I feel like if he just said it wasn't Canon, we wouldn't necessarily be this divided.
well what’s the point of even having fallout? Like yea the theme is war never changes why would you want them to rebuild? that would make not only the west unplayable but also midwest. Do you guys want like a rebuilding simulator or something?
I mean, even Avellone didn't like the direction the NCR was taking. Besides, the NCR was doomed to fail after Tandi's death. I don't like that their destruction was with a nuke though.
War never changes... But men DO. And instead of walking in endless wastelands, it's natural and logical for people to unite and recreate civilization, to create new societies, new countries and governments! That was the major point of Fallout 2 and New Vegas. People aren't just surviving, they LIVE, they adapt!
@gladiatorone9023 at least you understand
@@gladiatorone9023Yet the NCR was turning into a shitshow during Vegas.
Did they not show the new vegas city skyline at the end of episode 8 or was that some other fallout city?
The real issue is that this is even a thing, and that the West coast fallout games might as well have not happened (BoS is big again, towns are made of junk, then enclave is back, the NCR doesn't matter, and the legion isn't even mentioned)
You would have a point if any of that made sense😂
Hey hate to be that guy but the TV show canonically takes place 15 years after new vegas and it is also 9 years after fallout 4, we haven't seen this far into the lore of the games yet and this takes place at the latest point on the timeline and also takes place in California which is in the west coast and everything is still canon its just a creative decision for the future timeline not the past timeline
>enclave is back
come on this happens like after every fallout games.
>BoS is big again
literally said they are declining, and it shows.
>Towns are made of Junk
tbf, we never visited any of the big cities aside from destroyed ruins of Shady Sands
>NCR doesn't matter
We don't know what really happened to NCR aside from Shady Sands. They could've easily moved their capital elsewhere. Also I feel like the direction of whole show will be about rebuilding NCR or its spiritual successor.
>Legion isn't even mentioned
Is NV like the only fallout game you played...? They are a minor faction that existed briefly in overall westcoast canon.
@dirtiestharry6551 minor faction? They were fighting a gigantic war with control of 2 entire states and expansion into colorado into Utah, territoriality they'd literally be the biggest and they to sustain such a massive war they'd have to have 100s of thousands of citizens. They have spies all over NCR territory and even if they'd lost entirely they'd still be a massive topic. Hundreds of thousands of California citizens would be veterans or have known veterans of the war and there would likely be a large amount of old legion money and relics in the west as well as legion veterans/former slaves or ex-frumentarii. They aren't particularly old and they'd at the latest still existed only 19 years ago. The majority of legion (especially legion) and NCR soldiers were barely 20. The fact no marks of them have been seen yet is very strange. Also the fact the BOS aren't being attacked or spat at in the streets by NCR citizens who'd remember the BOS war is just strange.
@@ultra-papasmurf Your overblowing the Legion the furthest they made it was the Mojave why would there be that big of an influence especially 15 years later in California (since they probably don't exist anymore without Caesar's leadership), same can be said for the BoS they were in hiding for 15 or more years because they lost to the NCR the average person probably didn't hear about the BoS other than stories of the war and I think the destruction of Shady Sands would be the thing people would be hung up on over past wars and factions that are long gone in their eyes.
But New Vegas was in 2281 with references to Shady Stands still standing....
They're retconning their own retcon now lol.
@@danieldimov8625the Fallout TV series doesn't even follow Fallout 3, Fallout 4, or Fallout 76 canon that Todd and his team wrote themselves. Completely pathetic retcons, but remember you're an incel and need to touch grass for seeing it ./s
And the show doesn't specify a date for it's destruction, people just misread a timeline. The NCR was dying by 2281, everyone says so in NV, that's likely what they're talking about.
@@voodoominerman They clearly meant it to be 2277 judging by episode 5s credits and are now backpedaling after getting backlash for not knowing the lore. And the NCR wasn't dying by 2281, they were simply spread too thin judging by the comments of the soldiers.
So that arrow between 2077 and the explosion is alittle over 4 years
I wonder if we’ll see the courier in new Vegas
I doubt it since the courier is technically supposed to be faceless in terms of the player filling those shoes
Probably not, their will be people taking about them but any actual conversations or interactions will be unlikely
@@lost_pmc_3927I sure hope so!
I can’t believe there are people still giving this man time and money
Todd is just Bethesda's salesman.
He has no saying in anything the company does
So in season 2 deathclaws won’t be the apex predator of the wasteland? Judging by how Hank walked over a deathclaw skull (and for some reason a F4 deathclaw skull) that means the tunnelers are in the Mojave now like Ulysses said.
Why can't they just leave the West Coast alone. The show makes me sick
cry harder
Don't you have any real problems?
Delete your account fanboy
You arent the only one who gets sick when reminded that bethesda is wearing a rotten corpse of fallout as a cape and parading in it
“Big controversy” is doing some heavy lifting.
LOL, agreeeeeeed bro. But Juice wouldn't be a bog standard TH-camr if he didn't sensationalize everything he could for his money. Mainstream media bleeding into independent media due to the same human mechanics.
yeah todd howard and bethesda are totally not known for lying and retconing 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
Naah they're the best honest company 🤣 look at the 2 years in development fallout 4 next gen update, or look at starfield 10 years in the making 😉
I though that is was not called Shady Sands anymore after FO1
My favorite part was how this erases all of the fun we had in New Vegas
No it doesn't.
It doesn’t in the slightest, not sure how you even got that message
How can you be sure of that? We have to wait and see
Liam O’Brien better be in season two that mans the voice of NCR
Why would you use a nuke to nuke a place 200 years after a nuclear war? You’d think people then would be terrified of nukes. Humanity never learns, in Fallout anyway. Terrible. But the storyline of Fallout is scarily close to the truth these days.
War never changes
@@Friedchickenlover911I was gonna say that, "War never changes" quote means that it doesnt matter how many changes, opportunities, or pain humans faces, war is bound to human nature
You say "humanity never learns" when the BOS is just a few miles away? Bruh only reason the NCR got nuked is cuz they fought the BOS. If they walked freely the NCR nobody would have any nukes anymore.
Meanwhile somewhere out there some psycho is lobbing mini nukes in every direction possible.
In literally fallout 3 you can blow up the un- detonated nuke in the middle of Megaton so idk what you are talking about
My only issue with the entire show what so ever was no jet pack on the power armor it was built in to his wrists similar to iron man
Todd Howard did a good job this time, he deserves credit just like when he was criticized.
agreed, I rather he not lie to promote broken games he knows are broken. but here he well in contributed to a good product and deserves recognition.
@@geronimo5537 Exactly, thanks for reconfirming my thoughts.
@@geronimo5537 Hey the game isn't broken, we just dont know how it works properly all we know is "it just works"
Nah. He did the same job he always did but when he has a better product to promote you're appreciative. I am not going to forgive him pedaling us garbage and manipulating the truth to sell us.
@@user-un8jx8yo7z fr, only tourists can love this garbage
Bethesda: Retconning other people's works since 2008.
What got retconned?
@@Tristyn_Watermanhe doesn't understand what's going on.
@@Tristyn_WatermanNV now has a canonical ending, there are three vaults smack dab in LA which went unfound for 100 years including during the time the Master was searching for them, Shady Sands is now in the Boneyard for some reason, they clearly meant for Shady Sands to be nuked in 2277 judging by episode 5s credits and are now backpedalling after the backlash, ghouls now require some sort of liquid to not go feral which has never been mentioned in the 7+ games.
@@Tristyn_Watermanlocation of shady sands
go back to school kid