Stepan Bandara oversaw the massacre at Babi Yar though if you look it up on Wikipedia the reference to him is removed just as any reference of Bandara being Nazi is noticeably absent in his Wikipedia page.
@@lianasammartino8490 Yeah, I heard Trump parroting the "1 million dead Russians" at his first press meet, when he was signing his Executive Orders, and the minuscule shred of hope I had, that he might make informed decisions, evaporated.
After securing the Donbas Russia will want to secure both sides of the Dneiper river to control the dams that control the water needed for Donbas and Crimea.
Don't forget there are a number of nuclear plants all around Ukraine. With all that threats about Ukraine making a dirty bomb there might be a reasoning behind securing those as well
and any submersible drones coming down the river, but then they need a 100-200km advance from the banks (west) so, their backs are defensible, if countered.
If one has in mind how quickly Chechnia was rebuilt after two devastating wars and how loyal to Russia it became, the same thing might not be impossible to do with Ukraine but it might just not be worth it in the current geopolitical reality where Ukraine spells equally diminishing returns for Russia as for the collective West. The Minsk accord could have been observed as a fair compromise, particularly looking back, but it would not last without the sincere political will for the terms to be met neither by the Western side as confirmed by Merkel and Holland who signed them and were supposed to guarantee their implementation, nor by the ethnic Russian population which was too well aware of true intentions of Ukrainian nationalists as displayed since 1991 and on several earlier occasions. The historical issue with Western Ukraine aka Galizia stems from the toxic Austro-Hungarian influence (mainly the Austrian part) as the Austrian official policy for centuries was to subdue and rule the Slavic population by dividing them and turning them against each other by alternatively granting certain privileges to one group over the other which left many neuralgic points and bitter ethnic disputes on several territories not only in Ukraine but also in Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia, Slovakia and practically in every territory ruled by the Habsburgs. In WWII the Germans practically continued the same policy by putting Austrian Nazis in charge of those territories, and their infrastructure was taken over by the Western Allies after WWII, and Nazi collaborators were well accepted or at least tolerated in the US, Australia, South America, and some African countries where they recuperated and kept their ideology alive. After WWII It took almost ten years for the Soviets to defeat remnants of the Banderite military units in Ukraine and some 100 thousand Soviet soldiers were killed in the process until the Banderites escaped abroad or surrendered and got sentenced to long prison camp punishments. However, after Stalin's death, Nikita Hrushchov came to power and pardoned most of the political prisoners (previously mentioned included), not to mention him being Ukrainian, and taking an overly lenient approach toward not fully debanderized ex-Banderites, many of whom were instantly rehabilitated and given important positions within the Soviet hierarchy secretly harboring their old ideology and maintaining contacts with their exiled comrades and welcoming them from immigration into the newly independent state of Ukraine in 1991. Pretty much the same pattern was seen in former Yugoslavia with ex-Nazi collaborators from abroad taking major roles in political life and implementing policies dictated to them by their Western sponsors and NATO. The strategy is quite simple and relies merely on overwhelming force and aggression which works pretty well against the weak opposing forces and not at all that well when met with an equal or preferably stronger and more aggressive force which happened in 2022. Since then the momentum changed significantly and now there is little place for diplomacy. Russia may nominally be open for negotiations but be sure that it will resort to solving all its geopolitical disputes in the next ten years solely by the force of arms. Not because the Russians are violent by nature or pathologically aggressive but simply because they have raised a formidable army and as Madeleine Albright ingeniously put it, what is the point of having a formidable force if one is not going to use it. The Ukrainians have proven to be very good fighters too and they made ideal sparring partners for Russians to hone their skills but now they are close to exhausting their manpower and/or completely losing the motivation and capacity to fight on. There is a very likely possibility that Ukraine will be partially included in the Russian Federation and the rest of it demilitarized, deindustrialized, depopulated, and turned into a semi-feudal agricultural vassal buffer state under a pro-Russian puppet regime and kept in reserve as a potential playground for some future war.
Very interesting stuff guys. Is the West so stupid that it forgets that current Russia is not the Soviet Union . This is the most stupid war. Cant say it .. a stupid war. There are probably many other stupid wars. For what. Undermining Russia! NATO expansionism. I was teaching a four year old Ukrainian boy today about gardening. In Ireland. Has had no male figure in his life for 3 years. One of those family support things. His mum Aunt and Grand mother are here too. in this house. My Clients house. We had a great time. but it''s not right. mind you his English is getting better! Apparently I used a swear word today.. Oops! keep up the good work. Daithi
It’s all to make money for our corporations. For the military industrial complex. Every time a country joins NATO they buy our weapons. So there has to be a bogeyman. Russia is one of the only countries on earth besides China that can fit that bill. That’s why we overthrew the Ukrainian government in 2014. This is all planned.
If the US would’ve just stayed out of it. The war would have been over in a month. And they would have negotiated. But the Ukrainian government has worked for the US government since 2014.
@@ikaustraliaMost of people in Ukraine are Russians in fact. They speak Russian at home and belong to Russian culture. Except for the Western quarter of the country, Ukranianizm is a political statement rather than cultural.
you might have it backwards. why would Russia, demilitarizing Ukraine, quadruple supply lines chasing Ukrainians when Kiev obligingly delivers troops and materiel east to Donbas to their destruction? think Lee at Gettysburg.
Calling Banderists Nazi's certainly is questionable. The banderists adopted some german national socialist aesthetics, but even in ww2 Bandera and his people did not get along with the Germans. The German's *were* well received in the Ukraine region in general owing to Soviet repression (the German's were not well received in the better treated areas further north) but Bandera himself was put in prison by the Germans! Banderism is a uniquely Ukrainian form of nationalism that really is not Hitlerism. Where the Germans were anti-russian because they were communist, the ukranians were anti-russian just because they were Russian. Russians can be liberated from communism, but they can't be liberated from being Russian! Even war hardened Germans were shocked by their behavior at times.
Germans were anti-Russian because Russians were inferior according to them. This view was put across not only in Mein Kampf but also in Hitler's speeches including one not long before the war with the USSR about civilization stopping at (the Holy Roman Empire's ruler) Barbarossa's frontier on the Oder river. During Operation Barbarossa, Soviet POWs were not afforded treatment according to the Geneva conventions, some 70-80% of Soviet POWs died in German captivity. Reprisal actions against partisan activity were particularly brutal. In Belarus alone, some 800-900 villages were destroyed by the Germans along with their inhabitants. The city of Leningrad was the subject of Hitler's ire and he specifically wanted its destruction, which was implemented with a 3-year siege that killed by means of starvation about 1 million people. Soviet pilots reported instances where German fighters would strafe parachuting Soviet pilots in the air, in another violation of the rules of warfare. The Soviet Union in total lost over 10 million civilian lives over 4 years through German and Axis action. Some of them because they were Jews or Communists, but most were not.
Một tên phát xít đang cố bào chữa cho tội ác của một tên phát xít khét tiếng UKRAINA ! Chủ nghĩa phát xít không chỉ là đặc sản của người Đức ! Nó có mặt ở Ý trước Đức . Nó có mặt ở NAUY trước Đức . Nó có mặt ở Áo trước Đức . Nó có mặt ở NHẬT trước Đức . Nó có mặt ở mọi ngóc ngách của châu ÂU với RUMANIA - HUNGARY - BUNGARIA - SEC - TÂY BAN NHA - HY LẠP , và tư tưởng kỳ thị dân tộc , Dân tộc cực đoan và dân tộc thượng đẳng tràn ngập mọi nơi thuộc các đế quốc thực dân châu Âu , và nó còn đầy dẫy khắp châu Âu với người ANGLO- XACXON làm chủ đạo !!! 😎😎😎
He was arrested for continually begging for weapons, uniforms & pretending to be an Official Gestapo representative.. which he was not. While he was serving his time the OUNa & b continued to serve the 3rd Reich. Jus sayn 🤷
Only because he viewed himself and his movement as being in an alliance with Nazi Germany, as opposed to being its puppet. He didn't get the message and acted too independently and so they got rid of him. But it didn't make him any less of a disciple of Nazi ideology and methods, which he indeed admired a great deal.
Stepan Bandara oversaw the massacre at Babi Yar though if you look it up on Wikipedia the reference to him is removed just as any reference of Bandara being Nazi is noticeably absent in his Wikipedia page.
who owns Wikipedia? do they play golf with the owners of the NYT?
Can you imagine how much more of a stranglehold they’d have if there was no Babi Yar etc?? At least we had a few years of peace
Just checked this, and while it’s noticeably less explicit it’s definitely still there.
@@egay86292 something like that.. 👃
What is interesting is Russia is breaking any and all "defensive lines" without large loses.
contrary to what western propaganda says.....
@@lianasammartino8490 Yeah, I heard Trump parroting the "1 million dead Russians" at his first press meet, when he was signing his Executive Orders, and the minuscule shred of hope I had, that he might make informed decisions, evaporated.
Thanks for sharing ur discussions, always good to hear some logic & reason in these times. 👍
Cheburashka sitting by the window, that's awesome.
There was a Waffen-SS-Division Galicia.
Yes, Galicia was a Polish region at that time.
Also, a large proportion of concentration camp guards in the east were Ukrainian 'nationalists.'
Much smaller compared to Vlasov
Yep. I know someone whose grandfather was in it.
@@vp6087 except Vlasov is hated by Russians and Galichina is glorified by Ukrainians. A bit of difference isn't it?
Subscribed. Really enjoyed the measured articulate conversation
After securing the Donbas Russia will want to secure both sides of the Dneiper river to control the dams that control the water needed for Donbas and Crimea.
Don't forget there are a number of nuclear plants all around Ukraine. With all that threats about Ukraine making a dirty bomb there might be a reasoning behind securing those as well
and any submersible drones coming down the river, but then they need a 100-200km advance from the banks (west) so, their backs are defensible, if countered.
IT ISNT RUSSIAS
@@666dualsport Appropriate screen name.
@@666dualsport Like it or not, it is now.
THANKS
If one has in mind how quickly Chechnia was rebuilt after two devastating wars and how loyal to Russia it became, the same thing might not be impossible to do with Ukraine but it might just not be worth it in the current geopolitical reality where Ukraine spells equally diminishing returns for Russia as for the collective West. The Minsk accord could have been observed as a fair compromise, particularly looking back, but it would not last without the sincere political will for the terms to be met neither by the Western side as confirmed by Merkel and Holland who signed them and were supposed to guarantee their implementation, nor by the ethnic Russian population which was too well aware of true intentions of Ukrainian nationalists as displayed since 1991 and on several earlier occasions. The historical issue with Western Ukraine aka Galizia stems from the toxic Austro-Hungarian influence (mainly the Austrian part) as the Austrian official policy for centuries was to subdue and rule the Slavic population by dividing them and turning them against each other by alternatively granting certain privileges to one group over the other which left many neuralgic points and bitter ethnic disputes on several territories not only in Ukraine but also in Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia, Slovakia and practically in every territory ruled by the Habsburgs. In WWII the Germans practically continued the same policy by putting Austrian Nazis in charge of those territories, and their infrastructure was taken over by the Western Allies after WWII, and Nazi collaborators were well accepted or at least tolerated in the US, Australia, South America, and some African countries where they recuperated and kept their ideology alive. After WWII It took almost ten years for the Soviets to defeat remnants of the Banderite military units in Ukraine and some 100 thousand Soviet soldiers were killed in the process until the Banderites escaped abroad or surrendered and got sentenced to long prison camp punishments. However, after Stalin's death, Nikita Hrushchov came to power and pardoned most of the political prisoners (previously mentioned included), not to mention him being Ukrainian, and taking an overly lenient approach toward not fully debanderized ex-Banderites, many of whom were instantly rehabilitated and given important positions within the Soviet hierarchy secretly harboring their old ideology and maintaining contacts with their exiled comrades and welcoming them from immigration into the newly independent state of Ukraine in 1991. Pretty much the same pattern was seen in former Yugoslavia with ex-Nazi collaborators from abroad taking major roles in political life and implementing policies dictated to them by their Western sponsors and NATO. The strategy is quite simple and relies merely on overwhelming force and aggression which works pretty well against the weak opposing forces and not at all that well when met with an equal or preferably stronger and more aggressive force which happened in 2022. Since then the momentum changed significantly and now there is little place for diplomacy. Russia may nominally be open for negotiations but be sure that it will resort to solving all its geopolitical disputes in the next ten years solely by the force of arms. Not because the Russians are violent by nature or pathologically aggressive but simply because they have raised a formidable army and as Madeleine Albright ingeniously put it, what is the point of having a formidable force if one is not going to use it. The Ukrainians have proven to be very good fighters too and they made ideal sparring partners for Russians to hone their skills but now they are close to exhausting their manpower and/or completely losing the motivation and capacity to fight on. There is a very likely possibility that Ukraine will be partially included in the Russian Federation and the rest of it demilitarized, deindustrialized, depopulated, and turned into a semi-feudal agricultural vassal buffer state under a pro-Russian puppet regime and kept in reserve as a potential playground for some future war.
I agree with your assessment.
Good analysis
Sometimes happiness is an apple pastry with a cup of strong tea and at least half-an-hour with the Ericksons.
Very interesting stuff guys. Is the West so stupid that it forgets that current Russia is not the Soviet Union . This is the most stupid war. Cant say it .. a stupid war. There are probably many other stupid wars. For what. Undermining Russia! NATO expansionism. I was teaching a four year old Ukrainian boy today about gardening. In Ireland. Has had no male figure in his life for 3 years. One of those family support things. His mum Aunt and Grand mother are here too. in this house. My Clients house. We had a great time. but it''s not right. mind you his English is getting better! Apparently I used a swear word today.. Oops! keep up the good work. Daithi
have u married or bedded the mother? with ukranians, seems to be the game they play in the west
Well done, making a difference in the lad's life.
It’s all to make money for our corporations. For the military industrial complex. Every time a country joins NATO they buy our weapons. So there has to be a bogeyman. Russia is one of the only countries on earth besides China that can fit that bill. That’s why we overthrew the Ukrainian government in 2014. This is all planned.
they will take kiev and all odessa and denipro ukraine like country will back to russia that all
Just a matter of months.
@@robertgin9669 It will take longer. Unfortunately.
@@andreisokolenko7719 is the major reason because Ukraine is so huge or is it a combination of issues
@@robertgin9669 I was talking about Odessa. Kiev is not required, but Odessa is.
I watched this yesterday. Excellent conversation however I would suggest shorter five minute snippets as a follow up.
Liars
It’s not Trump’s loss if he settles it soon.
If the US would’ve just stayed out of it. The war would have been over in a month. And they would have negotiated. But the Ukrainian government has worked for the US government since 2014.
Syrskyi is a Russian, and sometimes I wonder if he's actually on Russia's side.
His parents are in Russia
@@ikaustraliaMost of people in Ukraine are Russians in fact. They speak Russian at home and belong to Russian culture.
Except for the Western quarter of the country, Ukranianizm is a political statement rather than cultural.
you might have it backwards. why would Russia, demilitarizing Ukraine, quadruple supply lines chasing Ukrainians when Kiev obligingly delivers troops and materiel east to Donbas to their destruction? think Lee at Gettysburg.
The u s will work with literally any group, no matter how shady, that happens to oppose whoever they're currently trying to take down 🤣
excellent point. ukraine is burried
Russia should take all of Eastern Ukraine and southern Ukraine all the way to Transnistria! Then leave western Ukraine semi independent demilitarized.
Calling Banderists Nazi's certainly is questionable. The banderists adopted some german national socialist aesthetics, but even in ww2 Bandera and his people did not get along with the Germans. The German's *were* well received in the Ukraine region in general owing to Soviet repression (the German's were not well received in the better treated areas further north) but Bandera himself was put in prison by the Germans!
Banderism is a uniquely Ukrainian form of nationalism that really is not Hitlerism. Where the Germans were anti-russian because they were communist, the ukranians were anti-russian just because they were Russian. Russians can be liberated from communism, but they can't be liberated from being Russian! Even war hardened Germans were shocked by their behavior at times.
Germans were anti-Russian because Russians were inferior according to them. This view was put across not only in Mein Kampf but also in Hitler's speeches including one not long before the war with the USSR about civilization stopping at (the Holy Roman Empire's ruler) Barbarossa's frontier on the Oder river. During Operation Barbarossa, Soviet POWs were not afforded treatment according to the Geneva conventions, some 70-80% of Soviet POWs died in German captivity. Reprisal actions against partisan activity were particularly brutal. In Belarus alone, some 800-900 villages were destroyed by the Germans along with their inhabitants. The city of Leningrad was the subject of Hitler's ire and he specifically wanted its destruction, which was implemented with a 3-year siege that killed by means of starvation about 1 million people. Soviet pilots reported instances where German fighters would strafe parachuting Soviet pilots in the air, in another violation of the rules of warfare. The Soviet Union in total lost over 10 million civilian lives over 4 years through German and Axis action. Some of them because they were Jews or Communists, but most were not.
Ukrainian nazism seems closer to zionism than the German form of it.
Nazis are nazis
you think you have to be German to be Nazi?
Một tên phát xít đang cố bào chữa cho tội ác của một tên phát xít khét tiếng UKRAINA !
Chủ nghĩa phát xít không chỉ là đặc sản của người Đức ! Nó có mặt ở Ý trước Đức . Nó có mặt ở NAUY trước Đức . Nó có mặt ở Áo trước Đức . Nó có mặt ở NHẬT trước Đức . Nó có mặt ở mọi ngóc ngách của châu ÂU với RUMANIA - HUNGARY - BUNGARIA - SEC - TÂY BAN NHA - HY LẠP , và tư tưởng kỳ thị dân tộc , Dân tộc cực đoan và dân tộc thượng đẳng tràn ngập mọi nơi thuộc các đế quốc thực dân châu Âu , và nó còn đầy dẫy khắp châu Âu với người ANGLO- XACXON làm chủ đạo !!! 😎😎😎
Russia will find little resistance going to Lvov as most men of fighting age have died. The rest of the banderites will go to Poland.
The guy makes sense but I wish he had the good manners to shut up and allow the guy to finish asking his question.
Old liar. Bandera was arrested by the Gestapo in 1941 and spent time in a concentration camp until 1944.
He was arrested for continually begging for weapons, uniforms & pretending to be an Official Gestapo representative.. which he was not.
While he was serving his time the OUNa & b continued to serve the 3rd Reich. Jus sayn 🤷
Only because he viewed himself and his movement as being in an alliance with Nazi Germany, as opposed to being its puppet. He didn't get the message and acted too independently and so they got rid of him. But it didn't make him any less of a disciple of Nazi ideology and methods, which he indeed admired a great deal.
There were plenty of Nazis who ended up getting arrested by the Gestapo, this isn’t a mutually exclusive thing mate.
So was the guy who ran the concentration camp in the true historical document schindler's list, because he was even worse than them
Bandera has never been in Ukraine.