are PERFECT PITCH STRINGS the FUTURE ???
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- Let's try the Dogal Hellborg Signature Bass Strings!
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0:00 Intro
0:54 About Dogal
1:24 Insane Bends!
2:02 Jonas Hellborg
2:37 issues with regular strings
3:52 Low Tension and String Facts
5:18 The Sound
6:16 Conclusion - บันเทิง
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Wait... We need to change bass strings????
Only when they break
😂😂😂😂😂
found the flat wound player
The short answer is NO 😁
Only after you cleaned them with alcool, boiled at least two or three times
I’d love to hear an update later about how well they’re holding up and how long before you had to replace them
What is this word, "replace?"
@@ianmoore5502 I've heard it mentioned a few times but no one seems to know the meaning...
how many years have I gone without changing bass strings for myself? 40 years!!!!
I had them for months on my sandberg and they still sounded fresh when I eventually took them off.
@@kanga-blue Tbh i love the sound of fresh new strings. Kills me they only sound like that for like a week. (The humidity here is shit :D)
These strings have a very pleasing sound - mid-focused, as you say, but very alive sounding and clear. If they ever come down to a price that a mortal can afford, I will certainly try some.
I used the old Hellborg DR strings. They were… as described? Lots of fundamental, subtle overtones. The thicc [what i called “single-ply”] outer wrap tore me up but it wasn’t terrible. These seem like they’re lower tension than those were, so I’m piqued. This is like a mix of those DRs and some of my favorite TI strings. SOLD!
Yeah i liked the DR hellborgs just fine. Nice even output across the strings. Bendy too.
Thanks for sharing! I just discovered these, and as a "bendy" player I was in love with those bends. Love Frank's "bass face" :D
This sounds similar to the problems Kalium Strings sought to resolve. And they did so amazingly. Especially noticeable if you get particularly large strings, as the size increase exponentially increases the dullness and stiffness problems.
Stiffness also causes strings to be knocked out of tune easier, so a more flexible string will be more stable as it gets back in place faster.
I used the DR Hellborg strings about 12 years ago and loved the tone. Really excited about these Dogal ones with similar tonal goals, that are also low tension. Would be interested in how they sound/feel for two handed tapping.
Wow, amazing insight on pitch and harmonics.
Thanks for sharing Gregor 🎸🎵🎶🎧🍺🍺
Pitch of strings isn't exactly the same as pitch of harmonics because of ftret placement. Fret placement is kind of compromise between pitch and simplicity of fret placement and shape.
That's true when playing double stops and chords but the assertion is that the harmonic series on each individual note is closer to the theoretical 'correct' value, so the tone of those single notes is going to be different with these strings and those double stops and chords could come through more clearly because each note rings clearer.
I placed the inverted commas there because a synthesiser is probably the only instrument capable of generating that sort of sound and they are designed to allow you to modulate that waveform into something more musical and the relationship between harmonics and the fundamental of the note is a significant part of what gives each instrument its character.
No, this nothing to do with frets.
It's about the harmonics series / overtones present within any given pitch
What are these "frets" you keep talking about?
@@unduloid it is mentioned in the video that those strings overcomes the problem of difference between pitch of harmonics and fretted notes that exist on guitars. As I know, the only way to overcome this issue is to make microtonal or fretless guitar.
@@aleksandarpopovic369 Yeah, that's probably bullshit. I don't think you can compensate for that (except for using different tuning system like just intonation or 31EDO). The only thing that comes to mind is trying to change the diameter (or the shape) of the string in certain places, which would fuck up the tuning of everything else, and add more inharmonics. Also it would be ridiculously hard to make and very impractical. What I think they're actually doing is using some kind of thinner or more flexible core, so the string can vibrate almost like an ideal string would, while having the same or similar density like normal bass string. That means frequencies of the harmonics should be closer to integer multiples of the fundamental frequency and not to 12EDO notes.
@Gregor, have you had a chance to try a fivestring set as well? I’m curious if the B string can hold up to the rest of the set. That’s make or break for me.
Ein wirklich schöner Sandberg Bass.
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Ich arbeite in einem Musikhaus und wir haben Anfang des Jahres einige bekommen. Sie kosten zwar nicht gerade wenig, aber Qualität kostet.
Tolle Arbeit, weiter so!
Musikalische Grüße aus Dresden🎸✌🏻
You should try galli synthesis nylon core flatwounds for bass
Ive just found out about them a few weeks ago and thought about buying some. This comes handy.
Just love Frank's bass faces!
It doesn't appear these are sold in the US yet, but I'm definitely going to look into them as soon as they're available. I like low tension strings and am okay with playing lightly.
Yes, they are available in the US.
Hi Gregor, great review. Do you think they work on a Acoustic Bass too?
I get the part about the 12th fret harmonics and open strings being out of tune.
And lower tension means we can loosen the truss rod.
I checked the price and it’s much less than the set of 4ths tuned strings I bought for my NS cello.
you described how the strings are constructed very well. the price is silly, but these are designed for perfect harmonics and that makes them perfect in a studio scenario, and just like studio speakers and audio processing equipment, the price reflects that extreme precision in the engineering of the product necessary for that controlled environment.
I wonder if these would help with the inherent intonation problems on the B string of short-scale 5-strings like the Ibanez EHB1505SMS, or the E string on a Hofner violin bass?
I just put the roundwounds on my favorite bass. I'm thrilled. Chords are more in tune. Stronger fundamental. Easier to tune. Easier to hit harmonics. Better tracking for pitch and synth effects. And the tension feels like a short scale bass. Highly recommended
love jonas, “its the pits” is one of the mist impressive slap lines ive ever heard
do they make a shortscale version? i mostly play shortscales and would like to buy some
No, only 34" and 35" scale.
Gregor would you mind sharing what brand and model your J & P basses are please?
Just saw this and I, too, would like to know how the strings are holding up. Btw, while they're pricy, the 4 string set is no more expensive than Tomastik Jazz Flats.
Is the core made of several thin metal wires or is it some other material? I didn't understand your explanation of that part.
how would these compare to Thomastik-Infeld, tension-wise?
The Thomann link is to another dogal set of strings. They do not have the Hellborg set
Does anyone know where I can purchase these in the USA? Thanks.
Anyone know the guages ?
Or if they're making various guages ?
Man, they sound great. If they ever come out with a set that will fit a Dingwall, I’ll give ‘em a try.
Would be nice to try on my Dingwall z3 but for now TI flats is the way to go
Really nice video but I would've loved hearing a direct comparison with regular strings.
$50 to try a totally new concept in bass strings? Actually that doesn’t seem too bad to me.
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on their site its 103 euro for a 5 string set '-', i already find DR pretty expensive as about 50 euro ( and my acidic hand kill string in 1 month) so they better be lasting 6 month at least.
I'm going to try them on my J bass, thanks for demo on your Sandberg. You should put out a calendar of your bass's, that beauty on cover. Thanks 😋
So Flatwound enthusiast need to know!!! How are the Hellborgs holding up after a year plus. Do they last, what’s their mellowed tone and does it still have perfect pitch after dying? What’s German for please?
How do these compare with regular steel core strings in regards to output? I would imagine they would be slightly quieter.
maybe a little bit
5:05 - BASS FAAAAAAAAAAAAACE!!!!!!
interested in trying these on my multiscale 6 string
@Cavalier hopefully that changes
Another great video, thank you guys.
Can someone please tell me what mini bass that is at 01:12 ? Thanks.............
Here you go: th-cam.com/video/EQ15YPuOKD4/w-d-xo.html
These look interesting - certainly for my jazz.
They sound a little noisy and sloppy and I imagine it’s due to the extra wind gap and the super light tension. They’re very vocal, though. How much part the pickups and mix have to do with it is the question. I’d like to see the same lick on the same bass with two different strings.
I’ve got them installed on one of my basses. Different sound. But an interesting one. I really like them. They work especially well with effects. But I’m disappointed DR no longer makes them and they’ve since gone over to an orchestral string maker Dogal. The new string maker has basically tripled their former price. Which is why I’ll probably stop using them once I exhaust my stockpile of DR Hellborg s.
I think that the DR and Dogal have a different concept, the Doga’s core is a multi wire one (as cello or violin) and not a round or an exagonal one. About price if their life is 3 times longer than the DR one the price could be the same.
different string man..... so bad comment.
Bending a bass string up a whole step..I never thought Id see that.
Where I could get those strings? N shirt?
Gregor, the Thomann link is for the Tiny Boy strings and not the Hellborg set. Thought you should know.
Also - 72 Euro! Wow! Maybe for my birthday.
I know. I thought I’ll link those until the hellborgs are listed
Would these work well on a fretless? I’m worried that perhaps the main point of these (aside from intonation) is to have a better bending ability, so I feel like some of it’s usefulness may be lost on a fretless.
Also I wish they made a 4 string set that started at B, I know it’s not standard, but I hate wasting a string with sets this expensive.
Sure, there’s no reason why they wouldn’t work as well on a fretless
That's very cool but should I need bigger length than 35'' or bigger diameter than .135... no options there...
so its the TrueTemperament but applied on the strings instead of frets essentially
Exactly!
103,50€ the 5 string set! The price of some Harley Bentons!
now its 205euro.. quite sad
They are 80 bucks pre shipping!. Dogal can pound sand. Most people I know are struggling to make ends meet the last thing I'm going to do is spend that kind of money on a set of strings especially when I can get really good set of strings from DR or dunlop for around 20 bucks shipped.
regardless if they have any special features, they sound _great_
this white P bass is so cool! What brand is it？
That’s the Vychodil BassTheWorld Bass, our signature model
do they come in flatwound?
Yes, very soon!
Great vid as usual. No slap demo? Curious if they’re too loose.
They're Jonas Hellborg signatures, so I can't imagine so. Dude is a slap monster
Check the clip at the very end
It probably sounds like every single other time someone plays slap bass...
That price isn't too high to at least try out. My question is how difficult will it be to re-acclimate to regular strings if and when I decide to switch back. Does playing on these cause you to lose enough hand strength that you have to rebuild that strength in order to effectively play regular strings again? For someone already fighting off chronic elbow tendonopathy, that kind of loss and attempt to rebuild would be begging for an exacerbation of the condition, if not for the development of new physical trauma.
I switch back and forth between these and other basses with different strings. There’s no issue
Ahh, I've noticed the out of tune harmonics! It's the reason I don't like new roundwounds normally, because I hear the slightly out of tune shimmer, particularly on the lower strings. If this seems to fix that then I'm all for it.
They do sound completely different, I just can't put my finger on what it is. Hey isn't Frank Itt the guy who said in an interview "I have an intellect. But I'm not governed by it"...? My most favorite quote ever...!
A little over $50 USD? I've played some Pyramid gold strings that are even more, and I don't think they sound as good as these do in this video. Definitely wanting to try some!
It’s a lot more than that
I hope that this is the future of the strings. Perfect pitch and better intonation are selling point of this strings they need to advertize it this way more. I thing their other strings are better at intonation but barely mentioned on site or in demos. We need more demos of this strings. :)
that boomer bend was fucking insane
That bend, tone and ability to hold the note is insane…$?? I’m gonna go look.
Holy HELL, those bends!!!
Mr Hunter…you do things-
So Flatwound enthusiast need to know!!! How are the Hellborgs holding up after a year plus. Do they last, what’s their mellowed tone and does it still have perfect pitch after dying?
ok, but can you cook them?
They sound awesome, in both tone and concept. But i pooped when I saw the price tag.
so far so familiar :)
Interesting.
perfect pitch is a curse to a string-instrument players, I agree with that...
Hm, Ok. I just order one. Let’s see how good is that.
The question is how do they sound after a year? it takes months before bass strings become useable and lose that horrible metallic high end sheen and start to sound bassy and thumpy :p
If you don't want the sound of metal... why are you using metal? It sounds like these strings might be exactly what you are looking for:
th-cam.com/video/SG7xageOROI/w-d-xo.html
They are Galli flatwounds with a synthetic core, rather than metal. Not my sound at all, but not "metallic" at all, so you may dig them.
@@christocr Oh yes.. I like that.. I think I've tried their black nylon version years ago but those started to raffle pretty quickly.
I'm sure they are nice but 80 bucks for strings ( dam!!!!!😬) they better come with a reacharound hand job ! Cause that is getting screwed from behind with no lube.
The Best strings on the market. The money you spend are all spended well....
Just like politicians, adverts are continously getting more and more pernicious these days
Hurts my feeling that they are 40-70€ and sound so good.
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Ooo man they are pricey
Just get me some flats that’s all I care about
I thought they cost ~100 bucks and yes, it's way more than I thought. ;-)
couchcamper You serious?? $100 bucks ??? Does a bass come with 'em???
@@warrenmorphis4208 the strings: 103 Euros. A bass? 90 nowadays xD it's a crazy world
And here I was hoping that these were going to be self-tuning strings! 😔
We need affordable and good quality bass strings, with all these years and the technology we have now u think things will get a bit cheaper but is the opposite, managed to squeeze more money from us 🤦♀️😖
Yeah, perfect pitch is a curse, sinse it shifts with age and one begins to mistake Eb for E. It goes down and elder people with perfect pitch experience pitch hell
This video has absolutely fuck all to do with perfect pitch. It's about a new type of bass string that has a perfectly in tune overtone series...
I could listen to Frank play until I die. So tasty.
Too loose for low F# ?
I seem to be the only electric bass player in the world who goes down there, and I miss hearing it on TH-cam ;'-)
@@GCKelloch Low F# = 185.00 Hz
You know like tune your lowest string to a fifth of B ??
You obviously have never tried the Devil Bass tuning then ;-) ?
@@bloodyorphan 185 Hz is in the 3rd octave, which isn't low for an electric bass and far from the F#0 I believe you're talking about.
@@hunter5028
The Open A on a bass is 440
The Open E on a bass is 329.63
The Open B on a Bass is 246.94
So .... The Open F# on a Bass is 185.00
(The low A on the F# string is 220 off course)
OK so a fifth lower than the B string, I never even tried to figure out the actual frequency, I just intonated my TRBII so I could play a fifth lower than the B string or what I called low F#.
People always tune 6 strings to high C, but it is a Bass Guitar , the lowest open string I could intonate was a low Fifth of the B string. (After that the pickup magnetism was distorting the string and it would not hold a note)
Which is 185 Hz.
The only strings I could find capable were SR2000 strings, which have no silk winding on the back ball, allowing for perfect intonation on the back saddle, the Dogal strings sound great and I was wondering if they would tune down to a Fifth lower than B , my favourite tuning, a Tuning that is used by the first seat in the Auckland Philharmonic Orchestra, so he can reset key when the second seat 5 string player gets it wrong ;-)
If you haven't tried it, I recommend it, having a low A for instance gives you a level of freedom no other tuning will ever give you.
You can reset key very easily, and make any guitarist sound out of key if you really want to, Hence "Devil Bass"
@@bloodyorphan The low B on a typical electric bass guitar is 30.87Hz, an F# below that would be 23.12Hz.
You have the octaves mixed up or shifted in your mind. 185 Hz is an F# from the third octave. The open low F# on an extended range electric bass guitar is in the zero octave, which is 23.12Hz.
@@hunter5028 You build guitars for a living ???
If you are talking about filter capacitors I'll give it to ya, but no bud, you tune the A string on a bass to 440Hz just like a guitar.
Yeah these seem interesting but two problems (for me):
Intonation thing: don't care
Price: mass market strings are already expensive enough thanks
pricing of these dogal strings ... does dogal some jokes?
Perfect pitch strings? No way.
Wow. $60-80 USD.
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both your links are wrong neither take you to these strings
As a devout Irish roman Catholic bassist I would have serious guilt burdened issues with buying these lovely strings, I wonder if they could rename them as heavenborg or at least purgatoryborg , other than that I'll just have to steep them in holy water and Dettol,
People with perfect pitch eventually lose it, and it warps the way they perceive music for the rest of their life. Definitely a curse.
This video has absolutely fuck all to do with perfect pitch. It's about a new type of bass string that has a perfectly in tune overtone series...
And yet at 3:13 he mentions how not many people have perfect pitch, and that it may be a blessing or a curse. That's what was I responding to. So take your head and shove it straight into your asshole, you arrogant cunt.
In my opinion it doesn't really matter if the bass is slightly out of tune. At least It's far less prominent compared to an out of tune guitar. The human ear is a lot more tolerant with low tones.
@Funky Monk I thought the word "slightly" would suggest that I was not talking about a completely out of tune bass. The video was talking about how strings running over a nut or bridge would change in tone because of the bend. This might be true in theory but in reality almost no one cares. It hardly matters how hard you hold a bass string down. The tone is always almost the same, especially compared to a guitar. With a much thinner guitar string every over fretting (is that even a word) detunes the tone. Usually it's also easier to spot out of tune tones when they ring together in a chord compared to single note lines. Nevertheless I think we can both agree on that it is generally advisable to tune your instrument before playing.
Hä?
Ich dachte du liegst flach
Die Videos werden hier in der Regel weit im Voraus produziert. Die liegen immer schon ein paar Wochen, wenn sie veröffentlicht werden.
6 seconds into the vid. Are you german?
The fact they require a softer touch negates any value they would have for most players because less tension means it's easier to bend them out of tune.
I don’t think so. Professionals want perfect control and this is what these strings are incredibly good at
perfect pitch? come on, stop with the clickbait titles
they might be better than the most but they are NOT perfect pitch...
if your bass holds tuning with these strings as opposed to some other, that's just the difference between good and bad strings
and I know what I'm talking about, I had my bass hold a tuning with a wide range of temperatures and sudden changes, and I've had it detune with "fender" strings while sitting in the same room for a few days... SNAKE OIL
Maybe you wanna try to watch the video before you start to scream „clickbait“ and „hoax“. It’s not even about holding strings in tune 🤦♂️
The bass sound - not impressed. I'm sorry to say.
Strange body language, try to look straight at the camera when speaking otherwise it indicates dishonesty.
That’s sounds more like a you problem