So it's basically laptop guts with an AIO in it then. And it doesn't have anything better than a 4060 which is probably the most silly thing for me. While I am not the target audience for that build, I just can't help but think getting one of those Aliexpress ITX boards with a laptop CPU and doing a build with a SFX or even Flex PSU could yield comparable results but with greater flexibility when it comes to the GPU.
that's more-or-less accurate - it's the full-fat desktop RTX 4060, but as we know that isn't overly fast... But the CPU is a laptop part and it uses SODIMM memory
@@bobsmithson8592 the fact that the thing they have on show is completely fake and is full of air bubbles, its just a distraction from the poor cooling performance of the stuff behind the facade. the only good thing I saw in the review was the SSD which performs well. MXM card? are we back in 2015?
Wow, the watercooling isn't even real. What nonsense. Anyway, isn't the appeal of a window that you can see the hardware? There's nothing to see inside there.
makes no sense its almost as if someone thought how to make a lot of money with a laptop board and an MXM card from yesteryear while hiding it all behind something very appealing to a young audience. I mean the fact they couldnt even fill the fake loop right and its just a lot of bubbles floating around would give me massive issues alone, without all the other issues dominic reported in the video.
I was fascinated to know how this got approved - clearly its a board of directors who dont even understand that having a fake loop on show at the front of the PC will anger people
fake loop with more air bubbles than liquid in it, MXM GPU module (nightmare), readout you cant change that shows incorrect data, RGB that is always on, that you cant change, and a case that looks like something from a thermaltake parts bin. What a deal for almost 2 grand. ive just ordered two.
so just to confirm, the digital readout at the top is wrong, its showing more than double the installed memory. You can't alter it to fix it and you can't change anything else. The front loop is fake and full of air bubbles. I am sitting with a cup of tea with my mouth open at this one. wow, just wow
Thanks for taking the time to do a mini tear down on the hardware. Very interesting to see whats actually going on inside. Good point about finding an upgrade for the GPU. In theory its possible but might have to get it as a spare part for another machine.
Thanks Kitguru ! warning was good, I know a few people who almost bought this. told them and they were shocked to see its not custom cooled, just basic AIO with huge trottling issues
The font chosen for the front screen is messed up. It actually shows the amount of RAM used, 7.0, with a decimal. It just doesn't show up/is hard to see.
Great work as usual. It's nice to see you review great PCs but it's arguably more important that you review those with issues - like this one - to warn and advise us.
I dont think its too bad, at least it looks pretty - as long as you know you cant adjust the RGB, have a readout at the top thats wrong, and its a fake loop, might make sense for some people
I hope people thinking of investing in this see the video and understand that this is all a big fascia at the front with a laptop behind it with traditional AIO cooling
only part of the way in, looked like a thermaltake c ase to me, just saw the loop at the front is fake. and the readout which you can't adjust shows almost double the memory than is installed. Kickstarter - well of course, that makes sense. Until people see this video. Surely they know all this stuff is bad?
i swore I saw derbauer open this too i like the idea of a custom block with cpu and gpu sandwiched (gn/ltt reviewed the bespoke one from uk right?) for SFF.
Good review there guys. I am surprised that the company felt this was a good product to release. The water cooling section which is fake combined with the digital readout which is showing wrong and locked data you can’t fix seems really bad. What happened to the r&d ? Surely they know for instance the readout at the top is showing wrong information
well thats their marketing people fired - sending this crap to Kitguru - instead of the millions of 'influencers' who just plug it in and say 'wow nice colors!'
It’s like a glorified laptop with an mxm card for graphics and left over loop tubing from a bin in some factory cut in short loops. What a shambles. I am glad you were hard on it.
What a baffling product. re: lack of HDMI 2.1, it should be able to drive a 4k 120Hz display over the Thunderbolt 4 port. Though as you say, that isn't useful for someone planning to connect it to a TV. re: the "for display purposes" loop, I can't help but wonder if the air bubbles are there deliberately, so potential buyers can easily see the water moving as the system starts up. If you don't know any better, it probably looks more impressive than a completely filled loop.
You are quite right about the USB 4 port being able to drive 4k/120 signal, but even if you're using it with a monitor it will likely require a new cable. Re the loop, that's an interesting idea - I'd say probably quite generous to Geekom but you never know!
real shame, a quick glance shows a custom looped system for under 2k with nice looking RGB and a very cool shaped case. Its only when you start looking at how they did it you realise, its a con
Looks like a decent gaming machine if you can live with the bubbles , the wrong info on the screen and the RGB forced to whatever it comes with out of the box
Thermal throttling a mobile CPU with a desktop-tier cooling loop seems bizarre. Maybe the block isn't pasted correctly or is using cheap paste? I have better cooling on a 120W 7900X3D with an air cooler.
I don't think it's thermal throttling tbh, as I mention in the video - the cpu was around 80-85C in Cinebench, I suspect a VRM issue but it's hard to say for sure
A useless screen, uncontrollable lights, glass panels to see fake liquid cooling, with low powered laptop parts topping out with a 4060, all for $1800-$1900?! What a bargain! Oh, and it performs like garbage. Count me in!
kickstarter - I have been burned once before with a keyboard - never again. Anyone putting almost 2 thousand dollars into something like this without even knowing the loop is fake is mad
it kinda is though. the loop at the front is fake. If we look at the forced RGB, the air bubbles on the fake loop. the poor performance of the actual watercooling and the MXM card that is not really a thing anymore for any enthusiast and the digital readout that cant be altered and is giving 70GB of memory when its not even close to that - i am not sure what is good about the system
id be more concerned with the fact that geekom are trying to defraud people by putting in hardware on show at the front of the case which isnt actually real. There is nothing in their marketing to say this, so people will look at that and think its like a custom loop system. When you open it up, its just AIO nonsense on an MXM card. and most of the other stuff isnt working at all (screen data, forced RGB and core clocks that drop like a stone under load). I would be more concerned about the public and people on kickstarter falling for this than geekom who are charging almost 2 grand for this laptop style system with fake hardware on show in a glass case.
Seriously? Its like a magic trick. Hide a laptop board and MXM card behind a curtain to distract people. Put fake hardware in front of the curtain so people dont realise whats going on at the back of the system. 😧
@@KitGuruTech Hey its a fancy loop at the front which is fake, to make people believe its something very custom and powerful. Then in the back its a laptop board with an MXM graphics card with a really bad AIO cooler. Not sure I would be too concerned about a 'particularly fair video title' thats the least of the problems.
I dont think they got the target audience very well - people who want this are going to be people who want a small pc and watercooled. they will want it to be real though, not fake tubing with air
So much space wasted on decorative things plus minimal if any intake for air. What does it need watercooling for? It's all negative pressure and i suspect it's gonna fill all that display case part with dust and clog any intake vents. Did i miss something tho? Does it have any intake?
The CPU is good, well until it fails, which wont be long in that- I am pretty sure the loop that does actually work is not filled properly either after seeing the one at the front on show !!!!!!
in fairness the system does ship in Normal mode by default, which performed without issue in my experience - it's the Performance mode which is is the problem for the CPU
Quite a disappointment. The image in the thumbnail looked cool. Sad to find out it is all show and basically a modified laptop board and mxm gpu card 😢
That fan control software is a little concerning. I really dont like hardware thats supported by flakey software thats abandoned soon after the product is launched. Cant imagine seeing any bios updates for this either.
This is insanely bad, beyond words - it looks good from a distance too, saw it on kickstarter a few weeks ago and it looked pretty good, but a fake loop and all the issues ? how did this get approved
@@pixelrefresh348 I know that but my point is is that its probably smaller than an RTX 4080 with the heatsink and fans stuck on it. Agree on the price though its a bit much.
Disgraceful. Hiding a laptop motherboard and MXM card behind a barrier with a cool, but totally fake watercooling loop to distract from what is really going on. How is this acceptable.
Nothing seems very customisable, RGB is locked, the panel is locked and shows the wrong information. The cooling at the front is fake and its basically a laptop mobo with MXM board
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So it's basically laptop guts with an AIO in it then. And it doesn't have anything better than a 4060 which is probably the most silly thing for me.
While I am not the target audience for that build, I just can't help but think getting one of those Aliexpress ITX boards with a laptop CPU and doing a build with a SFX or even Flex PSU could yield comparable results but with greater flexibility when it comes to the GPU.
that's more-or-less accurate - it's the full-fat desktop RTX 4060, but as we know that isn't overly fast... But the CPU is a laptop part and it uses SODIMM memory
it really is a terrible concept from start to finish. agree with what you said
@@bobsmithson8592 the fact that the thing they have on show is completely fake and is full of air bubbles, its just a distraction from the poor cooling performance of the stuff behind the facade. the only good thing I saw in the review was the SSD which performs well. MXM card? are we back in 2015?
I am speechless after watching the video. my laptop runs better.
@@DarwinBrookes-ss6on its basically a laptop board and system inside it, with crap AIO cooling. All hidden behind a Wizard of Oz curtain.
Wow, the watercooling isn't even real. What nonsense. Anyway, isn't the appeal of a window that you can see the hardware? There's nothing to see inside there.
apart from the fake loop :P
makes no sense its almost as if someone thought how to make a lot of money with a laptop board and an MXM card from yesteryear while hiding it all behind something very appealing to a young audience. I mean the fact they couldnt even fill the fake loop right and its just a lot of bubbles floating around would give me massive issues alone, without all the other issues dominic reported in the video.
I mean it does have water cooling just not the water-cooling you can see on display,.
4:44 when you see Dominic's hands next to the machine!
Wow! It's really tiny 😂
Wow just had to post as I watched a few minutes - a 'decorative loop at the front full of air bubbles?' that is hilarious!
I was fascinated to know how this got approved - clearly its a board of directors who dont even understand that having a fake loop on show at the front of the PC will anger people
Thanks Dominic - keeping it real and honest ! wouldnt expect anything less
fake loop with more air bubbles than liquid in it, MXM GPU module (nightmare), readout you cant change that shows incorrect data, RGB that is always on, that you cant change, and a case that looks like something from a thermaltake parts bin. What a deal for almost 2 grand. ive just ordered two.
so just to confirm, the digital readout at the top is wrong, its showing more than double the installed memory. You can't alter it to fix it and you can't change anything else. The front loop is fake and full of air bubbles. I am sitting with a cup of tea with my mouth open at this one. wow, just wow
that sounds accurate to me!
Thanks for taking the time to do a mini tear down on the hardware. Very interesting to see whats actually going on inside. Good point about finding an upgrade for the GPU. In theory its possible but might have to get it as a spare part for another machine.
Fake loop, parts that you cant adjust and tweak and a readout thats wrong. Thats just amazing work
Thanks Kitguru ! warning was good, I know a few people who almost bought this. told them and they were shocked to see its not custom cooled, just basic AIO with huge trottling issues
happy to help
Love how you guys just expose this stuff without all the shouting and fireballs 😂
That's not my style for sure!
I find it quite interesting bit flawed though with the pretend cooling though
Thats a nice old school text bios.
Great review Dominic. ❤
Thanks!
wow. Not much I can add to that breakdown, well done Dominic!
Thanks, appreciate it!
Other channels have reviewed this thing and failed to mention the fake loop, appreciate the honesty
Always 👍🏻
How could they have not spotted that!!!
Thanks Dominic very even handed approach and analysis.
Glad you liked it!
Look decorative cooling. That's a new one for sure!!!!
It makes it look pretty cool though just have to use your imagination, 😂
Leaks might be a bit of a concern with this.
30 seconds into the video and I've already decided I like it.
I want the same drugs you are on !
Did you still like it when you watched the whole thing?
Yeo still like it even with the fake cooling loop. Looks cool.
The font chosen for the front screen is messed up. It actually shows the amount of RAM used, 7.0, with a decimal. It just doesn't show up/is hard to see.
what a weird idea at the front - its just for show?
yup that's right, it's entirely self-contained and separate from the actual cooling hardware
Apparently so, and its full of air bubbles, so it looks terrible.
Great review. I hope they go back to the drawing board and fix this !
Great work as usual. It's nice to see you review great PCs but it's arguably more important that you review those with issues - like this one - to warn and advise us.
Thanks Quentin!
Thanks Kitguru, honest and to the point
Always ! 👌🏻
04:35 only real men have pink tool kits !
shout out to Intel for that - it arrived with the Arc A770 review kit!
@@KitGuruTech hey nothing wrong with pink tools !
Puts it into perspective how small that thing really is.
I dont think its too bad, at least it looks pretty - as long as you know you cant adjust the RGB, have a readout at the top thats wrong, and its a fake loop, might make sense for some people
I hope people thinking of investing in this see the video and understand that this is all a big fascia at the front with a laptop behind it with traditional AIO cooling
It’s a vertically mounted laptop hidden behind a case of rgb and fakeness. 😮
only part of the way in, looked like a thermaltake c ase to me, just saw the loop at the front is fake. and the readout which you can't adjust shows almost double the memory than is installed.
Kickstarter - well of course, that makes sense. Until people see this video. Surely they know all this stuff is bad?
The SSD performance is good - thats about it ! 7GBPS is solid
i swore I saw derbauer open this too i like the idea of a custom block with cpu and gpu sandwiched (gn/ltt reviewed the bespoke one from uk right?) for SFF.
3:22 plenty of ventilation cutouts!? It's like 90% blocked off 😂
I'm talking about the perforated section on the back panel - it's directly behind the radiator
Good review there guys. I am surprised that the company felt this was a good product to release. The water cooling section which is fake combined with the digital readout which is showing wrong and locked data you can’t fix seems really bad. What happened to the r&d ? Surely they know for instance the readout at the top is showing wrong information
it has a lot of problems, yes....
well thats their marketing people fired - sending this crap to Kitguru - instead of the millions of 'influencers' who just plug it in and say 'wow nice colors!'
Geekom Megabubble G1 'Fake it till you make it'
It’s like a glorified laptop with an mxm card for graphics and left over loop tubing from a bin in some factory cut in short loops. What a shambles. I am glad you were hard on it.
We were honest as we could be !
These have gone out to so many channels. Completely absurd, like the carnival machine of PCs.
What a baffling product.
re: lack of HDMI 2.1, it should be able to drive a 4k 120Hz display over the Thunderbolt 4 port. Though as you say, that isn't useful for someone planning to connect it to a TV.
re: the "for display purposes" loop, I can't help but wonder if the air bubbles are there deliberately, so potential buyers can easily see the water moving as the system starts up. If you don't know any better, it probably looks more impressive than a completely filled loop.
You are quite right about the USB 4 port being able to drive 4k/120 signal, but even if you're using it with a monitor it will likely require a new cable.
Re the loop, that's an interesting idea - I'd say probably quite generous to Geekom but you never know!
Shocking. Really unbelievable they are charging big money for this
Apart from other problems, It has Mega written on the side and I'm not a twelve year old from the nineties.
When are Corsair buying them ?👌🏻
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real shame, a quick glance shows a custom looped system for under 2k with nice looking RGB and a very cool shaped case. Its only when you start looking at how they did it you realise, its a con
Looks like a decent gaming machine if you can live with the bubbles , the wrong info on the screen and the RGB forced to whatever it comes with out of the box
Might as well just glue a lava lamp on top of a shoebox if you want a mini pc with bubbles behind glass.
Thermal throttling a mobile CPU with a desktop-tier cooling loop seems bizarre. Maybe the block isn't pasted correctly or is using cheap paste? I have better cooling on a 120W 7900X3D with an air cooler.
I don't think it's thermal throttling tbh, as I mention in the video - the cpu was around 80-85C in Cinebench, I suspect a VRM issue but it's hard to say for sure
A useless screen, uncontrollable lights, glass panels to see fake liquid cooling, with low powered laptop parts topping out with a 4060, all for $1800-$1900?! What a bargain! Oh, and it performs like garbage. Count me in!
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This is like something my uncle would design
he sounds interesting!
They should be under legal action for the fake cooling, that is disgusting
kickstarter - I have been burned once before with a keyboard - never again. Anyone putting almost 2 thousand dollars into something like this without even knowing the loop is fake is mad
It is always risky - seemingly they've already had £518K raised!
Very innovative but that fake cooling loop is just lame. Why couldn't they have used the actual cooling loop?
Thanks Dominic, you were very hard on the PC i thought, but there is a lot wrong with it
i'd say i was fair with it considering it's problems
Not sure that's a particularly fair video title - makes it sounds like GEEKOM is trying to scam people with fake watercooling when it isn't.
it kinda is though. the loop at the front is fake. If we look at the forced RGB, the air bubbles on the fake loop. the poor performance of the actual watercooling and the MXM card that is not really a thing anymore for any enthusiast and the digital readout that cant be altered and is giving 70GB of memory when its not even close to that - i am not sure what is good about the system
id be more concerned with the fact that geekom are trying to defraud people by putting in hardware on show at the front of the case which isnt actually real. There is nothing in their marketing to say this, so people will look at that and think its like a custom loop system. When you open it up, its just AIO nonsense on an MXM card. and most of the other stuff isnt working at all (screen data, forced RGB and core clocks that drop like a stone under load).
I would be more concerned about the public and people on kickstarter falling for this than geekom who are charging almost 2 grand for this laptop style system with fake hardware on show in a glass case.
well, it does have a fake loop - it also has an AIO, but you can't see that
Seriously? Its like a magic trick. Hide a laptop board and MXM card behind a curtain to distract people. Put fake hardware in front of the curtain so people dont realise whats going on at the back of the system. 😧
@@KitGuruTech Hey its a fancy loop at the front which is fake, to make people believe its something very custom and powerful. Then in the back its a laptop board with an MXM graphics card with a really bad AIO cooler. Not sure I would be too concerned about a 'particularly fair video title' thats the least of the problems.
I like the look of it - real shame they have done it like they did
I dont think they got the target audience very well - people who want this are going to be people who want a small pc and watercooled. they will want it to be real though, not fake tubing with air
Those clock speed drops are insane - this isnt even cooling right - I mean the actual water loop
tbh i don't think it's a cooling issue for cinebench - perhaps VRMs. but the thermals in Cyberpunk are not acceptable either!
So much space wasted on decorative things plus minimal if any intake for air. What does it need watercooling for? It's all negative pressure and i suspect it's gonna fill all that display case part with dust and clog any intake vents. Did i miss something tho? Does it have any intake?
There's no intake fan, there is ventilation around the bottom of the front and sides but not major amounts
@@KitGuruTech then it's gonna thermal throttle while it works until it cools down. This thing is a hazard and it costs 2k bucks :D
Holy cow, I dont think I have seen worse than this in my life
I just dont know how to comment on this product.
It is just to crazy for words (negative).
They could have used the extra space for extra cooling.
The CPU is good, well until it fails, which wont be long in that- I am pretty sure the loop that does actually work is not filled properly either after seeing the one at the front on show !!!!!!
in fairness the system does ship in Normal mode by default, which performed without issue in my experience - it's the Performance mode which is is the problem for the CPU
Kickstarter - need to take this system down off their webpages, its a con
funnily enough it's also raised £518K from 421 backers
Quite a disappointment. The image in the thumbnail looked cool. Sad to find out it is all show and basically a modified laptop board and mxm gpu card 😢
well, hopefully they can take this on board for future.
This is just sad, clearly a cash in - I am surprised they havent asked you to take this down already as its going to hurt their kickstarter campaign
wow they sent this to the wrong channel.
That fan control software is a little concerning. I really dont like hardware thats supported by flakey software thats abandoned soon after the product is launched. Cant imagine seeing any bios updates for this either.
We did get two BIOS updates during the review process so I wouldn't rule it out
This is insanely bad, beyond words - it looks good from a distance too, saw it on kickstarter a few weeks ago and it looked pretty good, but a fake loop and all the issues ? how did this get approved
This is such a mess really, for the money they needed to put more work into it - its just a showpiece with little behind the fancy front panel and RGB
1080p medium gaming, FTW - WTF
It's not a bad gaming PC. Considering its size is probably slightly less than a full blown RTX 4080...
It's quite bad for that money. And its not really a gaming PC its more of a gaming laptop.
@@pixelrefresh348 I know that but my point is is that its probably smaller than an RTX 4080 with the heatsink and fans stuck on it. Agree on the price though its a bit much.
You could build this for half the price by buying the parts, all pretty cheap, apart from the CPU
We certainly came close - our desktop equivalent was under £980
Disgraceful. Hiding a laptop motherboard and MXM card behind a barrier with a cool, but totally fake watercooling loop to distract from what is really going on. How is this acceptable.
At what point do you just build an ITX machine with full power desktop hardware instead? These products make no sense to me.
True, chances are that will be bigger - 6L volume is very small. The NR200P from cooler master is 18L for example
The gaming performance is alright, but at that price,. you are paying for bubbles and fake loops
Who the hell came up with this concept ?
Why on earth would they send such a system to a reputaable channel like Kitguru, clearly they have not done their research at all
i wonder if they thought it was better than it is - der8auer also got one and gave it a negative review
Imagine paying almost 2 grand for this mess
RGB is always on and you can't tweak it at all? 🤣
apart from turning the strips around the windows on or off... nope!
Nothing seems very customisable, RGB is locked, the panel is locked and shows the wrong information. The cooling at the front is fake and its basically a laptop mobo with MXM board
yes, pretty much in a nutshell
fake tubing - decorative. Dont give Corsair ideas !
😂
poor corsair LOL 🤣
Is this a joke? Its not April 1st, its October right?
Winter is almost on us 🥶
holy scams batman 💣
Does this company operate out of ASIA? if so, no one can claim any money back, once you had over the money you are left alone with this disaster
Geekom is based in Shenzhen China yeah
that is terrible, words fail me to be perfectly honest
This is terrible, just terrible, and the price is a rip off.
This system makes no sense at all on any level. who is this for?
great question...
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buying one?
Amazingly bad
what a piece of crap