The new Mark III torsos have the same arm-mounting nubs as the new Mark VIs, they're just also the mounting point for the gates that connect the torso pieces to the sprue, so you may have cut them off without realizing it while snipping the torsos out.
A good observation - and you are correct! Thanks for pointing this out, the sprue does attached directly onto the shoulder nub and there is a risk (as I demonstrated) to cut it off in error.
Don't know about the mk3s, but the mk6 also have the sprue attaching to one of the leg nubs. Meaning that it can be cut off, but can also be deformed easily. Apart from the backpack and the proportions, I like the older kit better. Mainly due to more poses and easy mixing of bits from other kits.
What you said about the mould lines is absolutely bang on with the MkIIIs. I don't think I have come across a kit (Warhammer, aircraft tanks or otherwise) that has so little clean up. Well done GW
I prefer the older (resin and plastic) MK III model. The helmets are chonkier and the poses look more aggressive. Glad I bought two boxes of Betrayal at Calth back in the day. The new plastic vehicles look great though.
Just started to build mine and what "shocked" me the most was how elegant they are. I wanted to paint them as Iron Warriors but looking at them they would also make fine Emperors Children.
Some very interesting curves & details in the new kit. I like the bulge in the upper chest, the way the thigh plates curve inward on the edges & the way the shin plate kick out over the top of the foot. I can see them taking contrast/slapchop style painting really well. Also I'm a big fan of the revised knee & elbow joints, they seem more functional & less "plates stuck on with no clear method of attachment" than the old resin or plastic MK III marines. I understand the friction over the helmets but for me the spike is an interesting detail (plus I personally prefer a more brutal look even on goodie armies). I hadn't really been thinking about adding MK III to my Alphas but the more I look at the kit the more interesting it looks to paint & decal.
Good observations... and I think you reveal a truth about the old and new MKIII models - both have good features combined with some less favourable ones.
Speaking of the helmets, I would imagine the spikes would be very easy to snip away, with just a couple of passes with a file to smooth out the cut, if you absolutely wanted your Mk III Marines unpointy.
@@leakycheese something else I want to try out: that groove next to the trim on the shoulder looks like it would drink up some of that high viscosity panel liner really well. Aw nuts I'm going to have to buy one of these boxes...
I’ll be interested to see how they do the MKII and MKIV kits for the heavy weapons. Since the MKII and MKIV forearms are so different from the MKVI, I would guess that instead of the vambraces section, they would make full arms for the heavy weapons? I do think they could have saved themselves this sort of trouble/conundrum by making the FW heavy weapons with backpacks and cabling into the plastic HW kit. That way you don’t have to make vambraces and arms for the different MKs. The arm poses are always the same on the tac squad, so the cabling could have been made similar to the Tempestus Scions kit. Also I just prefer the FW heavy weapons look. The backpacks and being underslung just look kooler to me. I’ll also be interest to see how they do breachers if they do them.
My only gripe with the Mk3. Legion box kit was building the deredeo dreadnought. I cannot express how frustrating it was. It took me nearly 4 hours by itself. It has a million micro-bits that are near impossible to hold and clean from mold lines. The weapons given the way they attack have just about no pose-ability. This compared to the Proteus land raider that I had built in about 35 minutes. Everything else about this big box was amazing.
You mean the metal model from 1990? By "original" you mean the 2010 Forge World interpretation? That's a well known model, but it was far, far from the original MKIII.
An unrelated side note, to anyone that still has original MK3 back packs to assemble...use sprue goo at the top of the pack. It fills the gap while securing the 2 halves. And reshaping the squish-out is easy when the goo begins to firm up. 👍
Nice one, I also bought the head sets for my Sons of Horus army project… lots of cool designs for sure. They are compatible with the new MKIII as well as MKVI, and can also work on older marine models from Forge World and GW. One of the upgrade heads I used on a Justaerian and it looks great. Hope this helps 👍
I'm a *checks notes* middle aged man but I like the new stuff 😆 Remember: once upon a time (2010) those Forge World MKIIIs were brand new. Would be a fascinating time travelling experiment to see how people reacted to them if these models had been released first. Anyway, thanks as always for watching 👍
Such a lovely box this. I've been enjoying putting the MkIII's together. A couple of interesting things: 1. The new models blend in very well with the older MkIII, depending on the pose. The legs apart pose that's closer to the older one means they are at pretty much an identical height and using the old helmets you are hard pressed to spot the difference unless you're looking up close. 2. Compatibility with the existing upgrade kits is really clever with the pose compatibility tables being the same as for Mark VI and the little arm plates that come with this to cover the upgrade arms is a stroke of genius honestly 3. Wish we got a full special weapons sprue. I'd like to do a full tac support squad. As it is I'm probably going to just do a 5 man rotor cannon squad and then order a heavy weapon upgrade set 4. In my existing army that's made up of mostly the old Mark 3, I've enjoyed using these new ones as the basis for characters. So far I've built a herald, champion and master of signals using just this box and some spare bitz
The spikes are mysteriously disappearing off the top of my helmets but other than that I have to say I prefer these to the mk6, it’s probably the pauldron ptsd that you’ve diagnosed. All in all it’s a fantastic box. One of these, Age of Darkness and a heavy weapon set and you have a very solid 30k army.
Unfortunately no... I've built all the MKVIs I own. Looking at the instructions, pose 2, 3 and 5 appear to have legs that can easily be swapped between MKIII and MKVI. And the arms, powerpacks, pauldrons and helmets are all interchangeable.
Just a point to note, the nubs are still on the torsos of the MK3s they are just so easy to clip off and clean away how they are attached to the gate of the sprue so be aware of that
Thanks - someone else pointed this out as well. In my rush to get this video made on Saturday (and it was!) I missed the nubs. I think my brain was on auto after all the MKVIs I'd built where the nubs are separate from the sprue attachment points.
great kit and I understand what you are saying about them being a call back to certain artworks but they are a big enough departure from what has been the mkiii that they aren't the same. They don't feel as heavy as the old models, especially with how soft and round all of the armor panels are. Also you say it's not a retcon, but with these being the new armor and featured in all the new artwork is exactly a retcon. Now they could have said these are a different pattern of mkiii or a modification, but they didn't. If these are mkiii, then what pattern of armor as the Plague Marines wearing?
I imagine it all as MKIII, just built to slightly different specs. If you want a real world example of this thought experiment, look at the huge variety of military rifles built on either the Armalite or AK platform. The galaxy of the Imperium is mind-boggling large.... deviations from standards not only makes sense in such a setting but it would be less convincing if everything is always identical. Final thought: one piece of artwork I didn't mention in this video is "The Emperor of Mankind" by Kevin Chin (2012). You should take a look at the Astartes in the lower left of the painting, these are perhaps the clearest vision of what the new MKIII Tactical Squad is based on. Also, remember Forge World designed the MKIII from Burning of Prospero set. It was their interpretation of previous art and models from Games Workshop, and wasn't particularly faithful to that material either. Know your design history - avoid holding up original paradigms that are anything but.
I think the kit generally is quite good! One question though, are the pieces that the torso and legs are split into the same as the mark 6 kit? As in, could you take a mark 3 leg for one pose and slot it into a mark 6 torso with the same pose because they fit together the same way?
Good question... and sadly one I can't practically test as I've built all my MKVI stash. I do know J from Legion of Two is doing some experimentation with swapping bits from the various new armour mark kits at the moment - he's active over on Instagram @legion_of_two
I don’t remember off hand, but if the names Eddy and Deredeo came out at the same time, the nickname “Eddy” could have been GW’s sly way of telling people how to pronounce “Deredeo”. So it’s maybe not “dare-uh-day-oh”, but “Dur-Eddy-oh”. However, if the Deredeo wasn’t mentioned until afterwards, then my whole theory goes right out the window. I don’t know that it’s true, as it’s just an idea. 🤷🏻♂️
Does the separately-boxed MK III Tactical Squad contain the previous MK III sculpts you mention? In other words, if I want the "New" MK III marines are they only available in the Battlegroup box you show here?
Yes, the MKIII Tactical Squad box contains the new version of Iron Armour. The previous design (originally from the Burning of Prospero boxed game) and now out of production.
@@leakycheese The new Mk3 armour only has four poses since you're effectively rocking one soldier sprue and the fifth pose is duplicated. The Mk3 armour that came in the Burning of Prospero kit came with six poses and two duplicated across two soldier sprues. Someone good at carving or clever at pinning could make it an irrelevant point but as a basic kit it's kind of a pain. I also dug the holstered chainswords from the Burning of Prospero kit. I want the Burning of Prospero Mk3 marines re-released.
@@psychedashell Six poses all of which were basically the same squatting marine stance. New set has 5, plus better aiming poses. Oh, and new set marines also have proper trigger discipline 😜
I've put together about 90 of the original mkiii and love them (apart from the back pack) but can't wait to get hold of the new version, they bo look pretty good
You are pretty warm here - after the vid I found that part 21 is the elbow pad for one of the arms holding a bolter. Could be used for some interesting converting I think.
Thanks for the video, I much prefer the older style, but that was a given, I don't like almost anything GW has released within the last 20 years, with the only exception being the older Heresy stuff. These looks strangely smooth and elegant, my favourite legions are Iron Hands, Iron Warriors and Death Guard, so I vastly prefer the more brutal style which MKIII used to embody. Now they feel very dandy. Well, doesn't matter, it's not for me as I only play old fantasy these days with mostly pewter models anyway.
Pssst! You! Psssssst! You! Yes, you Harry! Those MKIIIs you are talking about were first released as part of the Burning of Prospero boxed game in 2016. *checks calendar* That's 7 years ago. Just sayin' Harry.
After assembling one, I think there's only one thing about the kit that bugs me (aside from the wish that they'd done a different sergeant sprue with more MkIII-esque weapons and pouches) -- either the socket in the torso is too deep or the neck is too short of the chin is too long, but I find when I put the head in, the chin catches on the gorget and the pose ends up looking slightly upwards, which bugs me. Fortunately this is the easiest of easy fixes.
Agreed.... I was working on a couple more and noticed the same thing. My fix thus far has been to leave a bit of the sprue attachment on the neck to slightly raise the head.
A lot of people have complained, but apart from the helmets, the style changes are so minor that they're barely worth mentioning (and it's not like they're unprecedented in the history of MKIII design). The only thing I'd prefer is more reinforced-looking faceplates a la the previous kit, since the new ones look more like a cosmetic tweak to the MKII head than an up-armouring. 8:31 Do you think full plastic MKV will be likely, without a partial redesign? It's trivial to cast all of those studs and extra cables in resin, but getting them all to cast cleanly in plastic could lead to some annoying assembly quirks, like the oft-hated two-part pauldrons (since GW seem to have abandoned the idea of using side-moulding after the Baneblade kit).
That's a fair criticism on the face plates.... while we don't have a full MKII yet, the tank commander head from the vehicles does allow for comparison. I just compared the two now, and while the brow on the MKIII is more prominent, the face plate is of similar depth to the MKII. The MKV is going to be a tricky one to do in plastic. If the designers want to achieve symmetrical hemispherical studs like on the MKVI pauldrons then that will be an absurdly complex kit which I don't think GW will do (each leg will likely have 3 or 4 sections). That then leaves the other option of stud underfills like we saw on the plastic MKIVs from the Calth box... not as good looking for sure. I wonder how people would react if GW went with the complex option?
@@leakycheesethey could do the mk5 as seen in the index astartes first founding articles / index astartes books and early printings of visions of heresy! (Seen best in the black Legion / sons of Horus / Luna Wolves and world Eaters article's!
@@leakycheese Yeah, three-part legs would be a pain. I'd probably just do a slight redesign of the greaves, put the studs on only the front facing (a trick they've used on things like new Praetors and Khorne Berzerkers), and maybe do cables or MKVI-like details on the backs. If they only have to worry about cleanly casting fiddly details on 180 degrees of the surface instead of 360, it's not quite as hard. Same reason why I suspect MKIII's had two plastic kits in the time it's taken for MKII to get none beyond a single crewman (in the most MKII-friendly pose possible), although I can see how Mk II would be doable with the new MkIII/VI poses. Just eexpect almost every leg to be split at the knee on those. The new MKVIs make me think GW isn't willing to compromise on quality with the backfilled studs anymore. I'm fine with it, even with the two-part pauldrons, although I think the optimal solution is just to reconsider the idea of plastic-resin hybrid kits for awkward parts like that (using good-quality resin, of course).
No lore was changed around MKVI armour, not sure what you are referring to here? I've seen this remark made a number of times and it is erroneous. So much so that I prepared a summary of the MKVI armour history as noted in the Black Library novels and Forge World Black Books. 1. The Iron Warriors and Salamanders both received limited numbers of prototype MKVI armour to trial in the late Great Crusade (HHB3: Extermination). 2. The Raven Guard trialed 1000 pre- production suits before the heresy began (HHB3: Extermination). 3. MKVI entered full scale production in the months before the heresy began i.e. Battle of Isstvan Ill (HHB3: Extermination). 4. The Alpha Legion were deploying MKVI in significant numbers before the heresy began. John Grammaticus observed Captain Ingo Pech of the Alpha Legion wearing MKVI armour during their encounter in Mon Lo Harbour, an event that occurred before the Battle of Isstvan III (HHB3: Extermination, Legion by Dan Abnett). 5. Canon artwork shows that other legions had MKVI prior to the outbreak of the heresy e.g. Space Wolves and Thousand Sons (A Thousand Sons, Prospero Burns). 6. Canon artwork shows the Death Guard, Emperor's Children and Iron Hands had all deployed MKVI at the time of the Isstvan Campaign (Black Library Horus Heresy novel cover Fulgrim). Supplemental: Leetu, the prototype Astartes who dates from the late Unification Wars, wears a unique pattern of powered armour. His armour (the LE2 model from 1985) has many features of MKVI Corvus armour including the distinctive lean-snouted helm. Any connection between this armour and the much later MKVI has not yet been explained (The End and the Death: Volume 1 by Dan Abnett). Conclusion: Astartes MKVI Corvus Pattern Armour was being deployed across the legions immediately before the events pertaining to the Horus Heresy. MKVI is full Space Marine battleplate (it is not light-weight armour for recon use only) with an enhanced sensor suite located in it's distinctive snout (see Deathwatch expansion for Dark Heresy RPG). From start of the heresy, the MKVI became an ever larger part of the marine legions armoury, along with MKV as MKIl, MKIll and MKIV suits were lost in the war. Hope you found that helpful 🙂
@@leakycheese Thank you for this detailed answer, it was very helpful. But wasn't it previously said that the lack of armor led to the widespread introduction of MK V armor? And now GW says that the MK VI was the most widespread armor, isn't that contradictory to older sources?
You're welcome. Can you be specific and cite the original and new source material(s) you are referring to so we can understand what the potential contradiction is? Update: I've added comments on Leetu to my original reply.
Thanks! I've been asked this quite a few times, here is how I do it. How to Beakie MKVI shoulder pad pauldrons seamless joins: Technique (work quickly): 1. Add standard liquid polystyrene cement e.g. Revell Contacta along the seam. 2. Stick 2 halves together, lay on board, push sides together hard. 3. Then immediately take Tamiya Extra Thin and brush on to smooth off the join. 4. Leave to throughly dry (overnight is good). 5. Carefully trim down any remaining seam or gap along the join with a sharp knife. 6. Reapply a fine layer of Tamiya Extra Thin over the trimmed area to smooth off any remaining burrs. 7. Sit back and enjoy the seamless pauldrons. Be careful not to touch the areas where glue has been applied while it drys! Hope this helps 🙂
i really wished they just resized the old mk3 kit, because to me, this just looks like off-brand space marines trying to avoid a copyright issue. Making the bolters smaller is such a dumb decision, and the helmets oh lord the helmets, the old ones looked very gothic and knight like which i really liked, but these 100% resemble a 3d print off-brand marine. Another issue is making almost all the edges soft and aerodynamic which does not fit in the slightest with the mk3 design (thats what mk6 was for). Generally i consider these just a giant downgrade except for the fact that these look anatomically correct opposed to the dwarf like look of the old kit.\
I think the new MK III Marines are great. The only one letdown is, in my opinion, that they almost have the same 5 poses that the new MK VI Marines have. They had to do this of course, so that all of the weapon upgrade sprues can be used by both Marks of Armour. And it is safe to assume that this will be the case if we might also get new Mark IV sprues - to basically complete the most important Heresy Marks of power armour. Also i would wave wished for a new MK III specific basic upgrade sprue, but i guess it is ok that they made thic compatible to alle Marks as well...
The mk3. kit really demonstrated to me how there are people who live to complain. The armor as you said is not only gorgeously sculpted but faithful to about a decade of established artwork. The retcon stance is bizarre.
Not yet, but the upcoming kits due to release this winter (mentioned towards the end of the video) will give us plastic chainswords amongst other choppy weapons.
Always love seeing a new Beaky Cheese video. I'm really excited to get my hands on the new Mk IIIs. I'm going to use the box as a start of a Death Guard army. They'll look perfect with the head spikes, no resin heads needed!
MKII Armour wasn't "phased out" so much as they took the resin models out of production (like most of the early heresy and Badab kits). If you look at the art in the new rulebooks MKII is still there, and the new plastic tank commander is also in MKII. My prediction is we will get a new plastic MKII kit over the course of the next 2 years.
Right you are, thanks for pointing this out, my recollection wasn't accurate on the Vexilia. I think my perception was clouded by buying the resin command sets to get the nuncio-vox for my Word Bearer plastic MKIVs and that set including the vexilia as well.
The 45.5% discount from 3rd party retailers would be more or less the same (33%) discount because it only makes sense to compare the boxset at £100 against the kits with the same (15-20%) discount applied.
@@jellydamgood But seriously, there are going to be loads of people with spare chain bayonets. Instagram is a good place to ask for parts available to swap as is Facebook (I guess?).
You say that "lazy design" is lazy criticism. I disagree. I must first preface by saying that I do prefer the old mono-pose figures above the highly dynamic and "detail" riddled newer figures and my interest primarily lies in fantasy/historics and the sci-fi figures I like are a different aesthetic from most of WH40k/WH30k. The issue you must look at is the price point and marketing. WH40k has been primarily marketed as a premium hobby and the prices reflect that. From this WH30k is even more of a premium product, and once again the price reflects that. In this respect calling the reuse of sprues and the limit in possability "lazy design" can be a valid criticism. Not because there is an issue with the design itself. The reuse of sprues that contain weapons can even be seen as intelligent design and should be encouraged in most situations, but it is inappropriate for the price GW demands and the way they market it. A better way of what I am trying to say is: "lazy design" are the wrong words but "unsuitable design for the price asked" is valid and what I believe most people calling it lazy actually mean.
And yet the new marine kits are being sold at a notably lower price point to their heresy predecessors and quite a bit below current WH40K models - so not following your thinking at all here? When I thought it though it's actually an inversion of reality? And people need to be accurate with what they say - in online text-based communication that's the only way meaning is conveyed. If people actually just said "I don't like that there are only 5 stock body poses available, I wanted them all to be different regardless of the consequences for the totality of the model range meeting the features of the army list" then I'd say "fine". But that's the thing, calling the design here lazy is approaching oxymoronic. And as you've shown with your lengthy explanation, a "lazy" way to level a complaint.
As some one who has been playing for BW days FW prices from Australia, for us or Plastic dont feel "cheaper"... fw prices are so insane but so are the plastic for us.
Plastic prices in Australia on MKIII Tacticals are 33% of the resin equivalents (new MKIII Tactical Squad is AUD$125, 20 Forge World Iron Hands Tactical Marines are AUD$380). If you can get the plastics at a discounting indy store then the difference will be greater. For reference, a 1-1 exchange on the UK retail price of the plastic squad is just under AUD$86 so yeah, there is the derisking effect of international pricing which isn’t great.
Aside from picking up on the Adrian Smith art I showed in the video (and also the Forge World Rapier gunners which have the same design), I think there is still a missing piece of the puzzle which is a new MKII design.
@@Jules_Nerdworld No issue with multiple comments, but your observation is incorrect. Remember: I chose to share my little mistake with you - that was done for comedic effect 😉
@@Jules_NerdworldNo worries... I also realised English isn't your first language so a bit of a misunderstanding on meaning as well I feel. Hope you enjoyed the video 🙂
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The Landraider Proteus interview was most informative.
The new Mark III torsos have the same arm-mounting nubs as the new Mark VIs, they're just also the mounting point for the gates that connect the torso pieces to the sprue, so you may have cut them off without realizing it while snipping the torsos out.
A good observation - and you are correct! Thanks for pointing this out, the sprue does attached directly onto the shoulder nub and there is a risk (as I demonstrated) to cut it off in error.
Don't know about the mk3s, but the mk6 also have the sprue attaching to one of the leg nubs. Meaning that it can be cut off, but can also be deformed easily. Apart from the backpack and the proportions, I like the older kit better. Mainly due to more poses and easy mixing of bits from other kits.
What you said about the mould lines is absolutely bang on with the MkIIIs. I don't think I have come across a kit (Warhammer, aircraft tanks or otherwise) that has so little clean up. Well done GW
I prefer the older (resin and plastic) MK III model. The helmets are chonkier and the poses look more aggressive. Glad I bought two boxes of Betrayal at Calth back in the day. The new plastic vehicles look great though.
Just started to build mine and what "shocked" me the most was how elegant they are. I wanted to paint them as Iron Warriors but looking at them they would also make fine Emperors Children.
The snark when it came to the posing and design discussion was so thick you could cut it with a knife, but you're not wrong
My snark-level is inversely proportional to the quality of the criticisms assessed.
This video is bursting with joy and energy! Thank you Leaky
My pleasure!
Some very interesting curves & details in the new kit. I like the bulge in the upper chest, the way the thigh plates curve inward on the edges & the way the shin plate kick out over the top of the foot. I can see them taking contrast/slapchop style painting really well. Also I'm a big fan of the revised knee & elbow joints, they seem more functional & less "plates stuck on with no clear method of attachment" than the old resin or plastic MK III marines. I understand the friction over the helmets but for me the spike is an interesting detail (plus I personally prefer a more brutal look even on goodie armies). I hadn't really been thinking about adding MK III to my Alphas but the more I look at the kit the more interesting it looks to paint & decal.
Good observations... and I think you reveal a truth about the old and new MKIII models - both have good features combined with some less favourable ones.
Speaking of the helmets, I would imagine the spikes would be very easy to snip away, with just a couple of passes with a file to smooth out the cut, if you absolutely wanted your Mk III Marines unpointy.
@@leakycheese something else I want to try out: that groove next to the trim on the shoulder looks like it would drink up some of that high viscosity panel liner really well. Aw nuts I'm going to have to buy one of these boxes...
Good stuff! My own should be arriving Tuesday. Thanks for the review
You are welcome as always Adam. Hope you have fun with your's when they arrive.
I’ll be interested to see how they do the MKII and MKIV kits for the heavy weapons. Since the MKII and MKIV forearms are so different from the MKVI, I would guess that instead of the vambraces section, they would make full arms for the heavy weapons? I do think they could have saved themselves this sort of trouble/conundrum by making the FW heavy weapons with backpacks and cabling into the plastic HW kit. That way you don’t have to make vambraces and arms for the different MKs. The arm poses are always the same on the tac squad, so the cabling could have been made similar to the Tempestus Scions kit. Also I just prefer the FW heavy weapons look. The backpacks and being underslung just look kooler to me. I’ll also be interest to see how they do breachers if they do them.
The heavy weapon arms come in the MkIII kit
A fantastic video as always Mr. Cheese! Very informative!
Thank you Nox.
My only gripe with the Mk3. Legion box kit was building the deredeo dreadnought. I cannot express how frustrating it was. It took me nearly 4 hours by itself. It has a million micro-bits that are near impossible to hold and clean from mold lines. The weapons given the way they attack have just about no pose-ability. This compared to the Proteus land raider that I had built in about 35 minutes.
Everything else about this big box was amazing.
i got my box on thursday and i am chaffed very good kit
Man I love leaky talking about Horus Heresy minis.
I love how excited you sound
Doesn't matter how much I look at it, I still can't get my self to like them. My heart will always belong to the original mk3.
You mean the metal model from 1990?
By "original" you mean the 2010 Forge World interpretation? That's a well known model, but it was far, far from the original MKIII.
@@leakycheeseI prefer the Mk3 that came with the Burning of Prospero kit.
An unrelated side note, to anyone that still has original MK3 back packs to assemble...use sprue goo at the top of the pack. It fills the gap while securing the 2 halves. And reshaping the squish-out is easy when the goo begins to firm up. 👍
Much better proportions, not so short and stumpy looking. This set got me into HH
Not at all embarassed to say that your interview of a Landraider Proteus is what got me to subscribe
Quality and in Depth as always 👍👍
I just saw a Necron charging itself.
It was re-volting!
I hope the necron are like robots and need a good charging.
I call my deredeo “Dorito” replete with a little yellow triangle decal on his hull/carapace. 😊🤘🏻🇬🇧
I think I might have to start using the little yellow triangle iconography myself!!
Actually, I might actually go with an orange one instead, thinking about it
I picked up some of the Legion specific heads and pads for the new MKVI marines. Are they compatable with the MK III? Thank you.
Nice one, I also bought the head sets for my Sons of Horus army project… lots of cool designs for sure.
They are compatible with the new MKIII as well as MKVI, and can also work on older marine models from Forge World and GW. One of the upgrade heads I used on a Justaerian and it looks great.
Hope this helps 👍
MK V would be incredible!
I really wish they would do MK 4 armor. Love the design of it and it would be great for my Alpha Legion
You know my feelings. I won’t be a nuisance
I'm a *checks notes* middle aged man but I like the new stuff 😆
Remember: once upon a time (2010) those Forge World MKIIIs were brand new. Would be a fascinating time travelling experiment to see how people reacted to them if these models had been released first.
Anyway, thanks as always for watching 👍
Amusingly that proteus said exactly what I expected given what configuration it was in.
Really looking forward to getting my hands on the box. Will be using them for my 30k/40k Iron Warriors.
Such a lovely box this. I've been enjoying putting the MkIII's together. A couple of interesting things:
1. The new models blend in very well with the older MkIII, depending on the pose. The legs apart pose that's closer to the older one means they are at pretty much an identical height and using the old helmets you are hard pressed to spot the difference unless you're looking up close.
2. Compatibility with the existing upgrade kits is really clever with the pose compatibility tables being the same as for Mark VI and the little arm plates that come with this to cover the upgrade arms is a stroke of genius honestly
3. Wish we got a full special weapons sprue. I'd like to do a full tac support squad. As it is I'm probably going to just do a 5 man rotor cannon squad and then order a heavy weapon upgrade set
4. In my existing army that's made up of mostly the old Mark 3, I've enjoyed using these new ones as the basis for characters. So far I've built a herald, champion and master of signals using just this box and some spare bitz
The spikes are mysteriously disappearing off the top of my helmets but other than that I have to say I prefer these to the mk6, it’s probably the pauldron ptsd that you’ve diagnosed. All in all it’s a fantastic box. One of these, Age of Darkness and a heavy weapon set and you have a very solid 30k army.
Were you able check to see the MK3 and MK6 bodies were interchangeable with the legs some degree?
Unfortunately no... I've built all the MKVIs I own.
Looking at the instructions, pose 2, 3 and 5 appear to have legs that can easily be swapped between MKIII and MKVI. And the arms, powerpacks, pauldrons and helmets are all interchangeable.
Just a point to note, the nubs are still on the torsos of the MK3s they are just so easy to clip off and clean away how they are attached to the gate of the sprue so be aware of that
Thanks - someone else pointed this out as well. In my rush to get this video made on Saturday (and it was!) I missed the nubs. I think my brain was on auto after all the MKVIs I'd built where the nubs are separate from the sprue attachment points.
Yeah I noticed that after my 4th guy. It's really weird they put those there
great kit and I understand what you are saying about them being a call back to certain artworks but they are a big enough departure from what has been the mkiii that they aren't the same.
They don't feel as heavy as the old models, especially with how soft and round all of the armor panels are.
Also you say it's not a retcon, but with these being the new armor and featured in all the new artwork is exactly a retcon. Now they could have said these are a different pattern of mkiii or a modification, but they didn't.
If these are mkiii, then what pattern of armor as the Plague Marines wearing?
I imagine it all as MKIII, just built to slightly different specs. If you want a real world example of this thought experiment, look at the huge variety of military rifles built on either the Armalite or AK platform.
The galaxy of the Imperium is mind-boggling large.... deviations from standards not only makes sense in such a setting but it would be less convincing if everything is always identical.
Final thought: one piece of artwork I didn't mention in this video is "The Emperor of Mankind" by Kevin Chin (2012). You should take a look at the Astartes in the lower left of the painting, these are perhaps the clearest vision of what the new MKIII Tactical Squad is based on. Also, remember Forge World designed the MKIII from Burning of Prospero set. It was their interpretation of previous art and models from Games Workshop, and wasn't particularly faithful to that material either. Know your design history - avoid holding up original paradigms that are anything but.
“It’s not often we get new Space Marine Models.” Sure…
Word of advice: don't be facetious
I think the kit generally is quite good! One question though, are the pieces that the torso and legs are split into the same as the mark 6 kit? As in, could you take a mark 3 leg for one pose and slot it into a mark 6 torso with the same pose because they fit together the same way?
Good question... and sadly one I can't practically test as I've built all my MKVI stash. I do know J from Legion of Two is doing some experimentation with swapping bits from the various new armour mark kits at the moment - he's active over on Instagram @legion_of_two
If we have Contemptor, then Dorito should be called "Compensator".
Deredeo is the yacht of the dreadnought world.
I don’t remember off hand, but if the names Eddy and Deredeo came out at the same time, the nickname “Eddy” could have been GW’s sly way of telling people how to pronounce “Deredeo”. So it’s maybe not “dare-uh-day-oh”, but “Dur-Eddy-oh”. However, if the Deredeo wasn’t mentioned until afterwards, then my whole theory goes right out the window. I don’t know that it’s true, as it’s just an idea. 🤷🏻♂️
Do you offhand what bit sizes you use for your bolters? Also the melta 😅
Sure do Deluxe! These are:
Bolter barrel: 1mm
Fore muzzle break: 1mm
Aft muzzle break: 0.5mm
Meltagun: 1.5mm
Hope this helps :)
@@leakycheese thanks a ton!!!
Ed-d ..probably ’ED-209’ from robocop 1987
Ah.... now that's an interesting idea! Not though, cheers.
Does the separately-boxed MK III Tactical Squad contain the previous MK III sculpts you mention? In other words, if I want the "New" MK III marines are they only available in the Battlegroup box you show here?
Yes, the MKIII Tactical Squad box contains the new version of Iron Armour. The previous design (originally from the Burning of Prospero boxed game) and now out of production.
@@leakycheeseI preferred the Burning of Prospero Mk3 design.
I preferred the helmet, I preferred the shoulder pads and I preferred the extra poses.
@@psychedashell What extra poses?
Also, where were my walking poses in the old MKIII Prospero kit? And aiming bolters... where were those?
@@leakycheese The new Mk3 armour only has four poses since you're effectively rocking one soldier sprue and the fifth pose is duplicated.
The Mk3 armour that came in the Burning of Prospero kit came with six poses and two duplicated across two soldier sprues.
Someone good at carving or clever at pinning could make it an irrelevant point but as a basic kit it's kind of a pain.
I also dug the holstered chainswords from the Burning of Prospero kit.
I want the Burning of Prospero Mk3 marines re-released.
@@psychedashell Six poses all of which were basically the same squatting marine stance.
New set has 5, plus better aiming poses.
Oh, and new set marines also have proper trigger discipline 😜
I've put together about 90 of the original mkiii and love them (apart from the back pack) but can't wait to get hold of the new version, they bo look pretty good
Maybe part 20 was a thing to convert the elbow armour of the mk6 heavy weapons arms to mk3.
You are pretty warm here - after the vid I found that part 21 is the elbow pad for one of the arms holding a bolter. Could be used for some interesting converting I think.
Thanks
@@leakycheese
Thanks for the video, I much prefer the older style, but that was a given, I don't like almost anything GW has released within the last 20 years, with the only exception being the older Heresy stuff. These looks strangely smooth and elegant, my favourite legions are Iron Hands, Iron Warriors and Death Guard, so I vastly prefer the more brutal style which MKIII used to embody. Now they feel very dandy. Well, doesn't matter, it's not for me as I only play old fantasy these days with mostly pewter models anyway.
I would like someone combine the mk 6 bits and new mk 3s. I need to build some night lords for 40k.that arent black legion sculpts painted blue. lol
That's a good idea... but no need to wait for others to do it - go ahead and make it happen yourself.
I was expecting this review to come out.
What was wrong with the other MK3 that came out 2 years ago?
Pssst! You! Psssssst! You! Yes, you Harry!
Those MKIIIs you are talking about were first released as part of the Burning of Prospero boxed game in 2016.
*checks calendar*
That's 7 years ago. Just sayin' Harry.
Great vid, they are really good models. I look forward to what you think of the new Deredeo.
After assembling one, I think there's only one thing about the kit that bugs me (aside from the wish that they'd done a different sergeant sprue with more MkIII-esque weapons and pouches) -- either the socket in the torso is too deep or the neck is too short of the chin is too long, but I find when I put the head in, the chin catches on the gorget and the pose ends up looking slightly upwards, which bugs me.
Fortunately this is the easiest of easy fixes.
Agreed.... I was working on a couple more and noticed the same thing.
My fix thus far has been to leave a bit of the sprue attachment on the neck to slightly raise the head.
A lot of people have complained, but apart from the helmets, the style changes are so minor that they're barely worth mentioning (and it's not like they're unprecedented in the history of MKIII design). The only thing I'd prefer is more reinforced-looking faceplates a la the previous kit, since the new ones look more like a cosmetic tweak to the MKII head than an up-armouring.
8:31 Do you think full plastic MKV will be likely, without a partial redesign? It's trivial to cast all of those studs and extra cables in resin, but getting them all to cast cleanly in plastic could lead to some annoying assembly quirks, like the oft-hated two-part pauldrons (since GW seem to have abandoned the idea of using side-moulding after the Baneblade kit).
That's a fair criticism on the face plates.... while we don't have a full MKII yet, the tank commander head from the vehicles does allow for comparison. I just compared the two now, and while the brow on the MKIII is more prominent, the face plate is of similar depth to the MKII.
The MKV is going to be a tricky one to do in plastic. If the designers want to achieve symmetrical hemispherical studs like on the MKVI pauldrons then that will be an absurdly complex kit which I don't think GW will do (each leg will likely have 3 or 4 sections). That then leaves the other option of stud underfills like we saw on the plastic MKIVs from the Calth box... not as good looking for sure.
I wonder how people would react if GW went with the complex option?
@@leakycheesethey could do the mk5 as seen in the index astartes first founding articles / index astartes books and early printings of visions of heresy! (Seen best in the black Legion / sons of Horus / Luna Wolves and world Eaters article's!
I'm sure there might be some pushback, but there's been pushback for literally any of the new kits
@@leakycheese Yeah, three-part legs would be a pain. I'd probably just do a slight redesign of the greaves, put the studs on only the front facing (a trick they've used on things like new Praetors and Khorne Berzerkers), and maybe do cables or MKVI-like details on the backs. If they only have to worry about cleanly casting fiddly details on 180 degrees of the surface instead of 360, it's not quite as hard. Same reason why I suspect MKIII's had two plastic kits in the time it's taken for MKII to get none beyond a single crewman (in the most MKII-friendly pose possible), although I can see how Mk II would be doable with the new MkIII/VI poses. Just eexpect almost every leg to be split at the knee on those.
The new MKVIs make me think GW isn't willing to compromise on quality with the backfilled studs anymore. I'm fine with it, even with the two-part pauldrons, although I think the optimal solution is just to reconsider the idea of plastic-resin hybrid kits for awkward parts like that (using good-quality resin, of course).
Hi Leaky love it that you are back with new content. Was the MK VI Armour lore change a retcon in your eyes?
No lore was changed around MKVI armour, not sure what you are referring to here? I've seen this remark made a number of times and it is erroneous.
So much so that I prepared a summary of the MKVI armour history as noted in the Black Library novels and Forge World Black Books.
1. The Iron Warriors and Salamanders
both received limited numbers of
prototype MKVI armour to trial in the late
Great Crusade (HHB3: Extermination).
2. The Raven Guard trialed 1000 pre-
production suits before the heresy began (HHB3: Extermination).
3. MKVI entered full scale production in
the months before the heresy began i.e.
Battle of Isstvan Ill (HHB3: Extermination).
4. The Alpha Legion were deploying MKVI
in significant numbers before the heresy
began. John Grammaticus observed Captain Ingo Pech of the Alpha Legion wearing MKVI armour during their encounter in Mon Lo Harbour, an event that occurred before the Battle of Isstvan III (HHB3: Extermination, Legion by Dan Abnett).
5. Canon artwork shows that other legions
had MKVI prior to the outbreak of the
heresy e.g. Space Wolves and Thousand
Sons (A Thousand Sons, Prospero Burns).
6. Canon artwork shows the Death Guard,
Emperor's Children and Iron Hands had all
deployed MKVI at the time of the Isstvan
Campaign (Black Library Horus Heresy novel cover Fulgrim).
Supplemental: Leetu, the prototype Astartes who dates from the late Unification Wars, wears a unique pattern of powered armour. His armour (the LE2 model from 1985) has many features of MKVI Corvus armour including the distinctive lean-snouted helm. Any connection between this armour and the much later MKVI has not yet been explained (The End and the Death: Volume 1 by Dan Abnett).
Conclusion: Astartes MKVI Corvus Pattern Armour was being deployed across the legions immediately before the events pertaining to the Horus Heresy. MKVI is full Space Marine battleplate (it is not light-weight armour for recon use only) with an enhanced sensor suite located in it's distinctive snout (see Deathwatch expansion for Dark Heresy RPG).
From start of the heresy, the MKVI became an ever larger part of the marine legions armoury, along with MKV as MKIl, MKIll and MKIV suits were lost in the war.
Hope you found that helpful 🙂
@@leakycheese Thank you for this detailed answer, it was very helpful. But wasn't it previously said that the lack of armor led to the widespread introduction of MK V armor? And now GW says that the MK VI was the most widespread armor, isn't that contradictory to older sources?
You're welcome.
Can you be specific and cite the original and new source material(s) you are referring to so we can understand what the potential contradiction is?
Update: I've added comments on Leetu to my original reply.
Split this and got 15 guys and the Deredeo for 110$ American, nice little deal
Very useful video. Cheers mate.
Thanks, you're most welcome 🙂
This new mk3 armor is my favorite looking armor. But it's my least fave to build. Im doing a HUGE 6th legion force.
How did you get such a good finish on your mkvi shoulder pads?
Thanks! I've been asked this quite a few times, here is how I do it.
How to Beakie MKVI shoulder pad pauldrons seamless joins:
Technique (work quickly):
1. Add standard liquid polystyrene cement e.g. Revell Contacta along the seam.
2. Stick 2 halves together, lay on board, push sides together hard.
3. Then immediately take Tamiya Extra Thin and brush on to smooth off the join.
4. Leave to throughly dry (overnight is good).
5. Carefully trim down any remaining seam or gap along the join with a sharp knife.
6. Reapply a fine layer of Tamiya Extra Thin over the trimmed area to smooth off any remaining burrs.
7. Sit back and enjoy the seamless pauldrons.
Be careful not to touch the areas where glue has been applied while it drys!
Hope this helps 🙂
i really wished they just resized the old mk3 kit, because to me, this just looks like off-brand space marines trying to avoid a copyright issue. Making the bolters smaller is such a dumb decision, and the helmets oh lord the helmets, the old ones looked very gothic and knight like which i really liked, but these 100% resemble a 3d print off-brand marine. Another issue is making almost all the edges soft and aerodynamic which does not fit in the slightest with the mk3 design (thats what mk6 was for). Generally i consider these just a giant downgrade except for the fact that these look anatomically correct opposed to the dwarf like look of the old kit.\
My three battle group boxes arrived today. Cant wait to get stuck in.
That's a mighty haul indeed! Hope you have fun with these.
I think the new MK III Marines are great. The only one letdown is, in my opinion, that they almost have the same 5 poses that the new MK VI Marines have. They had to do this of course, so that all of the weapon upgrade sprues can be used by both Marks of Armour. And it is safe to assume that this will be the case if we might also get new Mark IV sprues - to basically complete the most important Heresy Marks of power armour.
Also i would wave wished for a new MK III specific basic upgrade sprue, but i guess it is ok that they made thic compatible to alle Marks as well...
IRON WITHIN IRON WITHOUT!!!!!
Absolutely love the polite digs you made at hysterical complainers.
Iron Within, brother.
The mk3. kit really demonstrated to me how there are people who live to complain. The armor as you said is not only gorgeously sculpted but faithful to about a decade of established artwork. The retcon stance is bizarre.
The only thing I am sad about is no chainswords :(
Not yet, but the upcoming kits due to release this winter (mentioned towards the end of the video) will give us plastic chainswords amongst other choppy weapons.
Or pistols, thunder hammers, mkiii power fist and claw
Always love seeing a new Beaky Cheese video. I'm really excited to get my hands on the new Mk IIIs. I'm going to use the box as a start of a Death Guard army. They'll look perfect with the head spikes, no resin heads needed!
Couldn't not tune in to hear your thoughts bud!
Thanks mate, hope you enjoyed the video :)
i expect those people moaning about poses want 50 guys all jumping off rocks an other similar "dynamic" poses..brillant,
I just don’t understand they phased out MK2 armor …..
MKII Armour wasn't "phased out" so much as they took the resin models out of production (like most of the early heresy and Badab kits). If you look at the art in the new rulebooks MKII is still there, and the new plastic tank commander is also in MKII.
My prediction is we will get a new plastic MKII kit over the course of the next 2 years.
The old MKIII and MKIV dis have vexilia's but the lack of nuncio vox was really annoying
Right you are, thanks for pointing this out, my recollection wasn't accurate on the Vexilia. I think my perception was clouded by buying the resin command sets to get the nuncio-vox for my Word Bearer plastic MKIVs and that set including the vexilia as well.
The 45.5% discount from 3rd party retailers would be more or less the same (33%) discount because it only makes sense to compare the boxset at £100 against the kits with the same (15-20%) discount applied.
it's a comparison of the discount to the RRP, so it makes sense to alculate the discount to the RRP, instead of a discounted box
I would love if they released upscaled Mk7 for heresy, that would get the idiots going 😏
Perfect kit to launch the Great Scouring range! 😆
Does it not have chain bayonets?
Watch the video - I show all the sprues on camera 🙂
@@leakycheese it is indeed not there, damn. Gonna have to go beg the beakies enthusiasts to sell me their spares 🙃
@jellydamgood As a Beakie enthusiast, I’ve 80 unused chain bayonets so I’m good 🙂
@@leakycheese ah to be so taunted. Good for you.
@@jellydamgood But seriously, there are going to be loads of people with spare chain bayonets. Instagram is a good place to ask for parts available to swap as is Facebook (I guess?).
You say that "lazy design" is lazy criticism. I disagree.
I must first preface by saying that I do prefer the old mono-pose figures above the highly dynamic and "detail" riddled newer figures and my interest primarily lies in fantasy/historics and the sci-fi figures I like are a different aesthetic from most of WH40k/WH30k.
The issue you must look at is the price point and marketing. WH40k has been primarily marketed as a premium hobby and the prices reflect that. From this WH30k is even more of a premium product, and once again the price reflects that. In this respect calling the reuse of sprues and the limit in possability "lazy design" can be a valid criticism. Not because there is an issue with the design itself. The reuse of sprues that contain weapons can even be seen as intelligent design and should be encouraged in most situations, but it is inappropriate for the price GW demands and the way they market it.
A better way of what I am trying to say is: "lazy design" are the wrong words but "unsuitable design for the price asked" is valid and what I believe most people calling it lazy actually mean.
And yet the new marine kits are being sold at a notably lower price point to their heresy predecessors and quite a bit below current WH40K models - so not following your thinking at all here? When I thought it though it's actually an inversion of reality?
And people need to be accurate with what they say - in online text-based communication that's the only way meaning is conveyed.
If people actually just said "I don't like that there are only 5 stock body poses available, I wanted them all to be different regardless of the consequences for the totality of the model range meeting the features of the army list" then I'd say "fine".
But that's the thing, calling the design here lazy is approaching oxymoronic. And as you've shown with your lengthy explanation, a "lazy" way to level a complaint.
Happy MK3 day
You as well mate :)
MK 2 when.
2025.
Great vid as always.
Shame this isn't the new 'starter' set, its less restrictive than the AoD set.
As some one who has been playing for BW days FW prices from Australia, for us or Plastic dont feel "cheaper"... fw prices are so insane but so are the plastic for us.
I disagree, the plastic is cheaper, it's still expensive, but definitely cheaper than FW
Plastic prices in Australia on MKIII Tacticals are 33% of the resin equivalents (new MKIII Tactical Squad is AUD$125, 20 Forge World Iron Hands Tactical Marines are AUD$380).
If you can get the plastics at a discounting indy store then the difference will be greater.
For reference, a 1-1 exchange on the UK retail price of the plastic squad is just under AUD$86 so yeah, there is the derisking effect of international pricing which isn’t great.
It bothers me a lot that these are slighly larger than the previous Mk3, just enough that it'll bug you if they are near each other.
Try putting alongside the Medusan Immortals… those are as tall if not a bit taller. It’s complicated.
I’m using the old helmets on these. Don’t like the new helmet.
Didn't like that the stand-alone kit doesn't include any special or heavy weapons. The helmet is a real disappointment too.
The special and heavy weapons are sold separately... this kit is for the baseline Tactical Squad.
Not sure I follow what's to dislike about that?
The old mk3s look leagues better than these guys, pretty lame IMO.
Well not totally lame but I do prefer the old mk3s over the new ones
They just look better
Honestly if you put the old MKIII heads on the new bodies I think you have the best of both worlds!
I just gotta say I don’t care for the greaves on these models. The lip added to the bottom makes it too much like a boot.
Aside from picking up on the Adrian Smith art I showed in the video (and also the Forge World Rapier gunners which have the same design), I think there is still a missing piece of the puzzle which is a new MKII design.
You made the same mistake as Sup3rsay3n! The Horus Heresy Space Marines do not come in 10 man boxes but in 20 man boxes! ✌🏻
No, I didn't... as you can see from my in video explanation. Calm down and go easy on the exclamation marks next time.
@@leakycheese Oh, I accidentally posted my comment multiple times! Sorry for my mistake, I fixed it
@@Jules_Nerdworld No issue with multiple comments, but your observation is incorrect. Remember: I chose to share my little mistake with you - that was done for comedic effect 😉
@@leakycheese I didn't intend to attack you personally with my comment, I could have worded it better! All good ☺️✌🏻
@@Jules_NerdworldNo worries... I also realised English isn't your first language so a bit of a misunderstanding on meaning as well I feel.
Hope you enjoyed the video 🙂