The fact that you can run excalidraw and vscode now is just plain mind blowing to me. It’s like solving multi-dimensional puzzle and all the pieces are slowly coming together.
@@Nanagoseven if someone focused it for improving, they have to improve canvas, even handing etc... it it can do that without crashing means, it can def open 90% of all canvas based websites...
Yeah, but considering how even Apple forked code for their browser despite being massive I am not surprised. And that isnt the half of it, the worst part seems to maintain it, and to have it work on standards that are not designed for it etc etc. I heard through the grapevine that this was a big reason internally at Microsoft that they dropped their Trident engine because nobody wanted to maintain or work on it, it was a mess. Yes it still receives security updates but it's on life support.
Absolutely insane to see the progress in the last 3 months! At this rate I think we can see Gecko-like WPT performance before next summer... I feel like Ladybird is proving that, once an open-source project manages to build enough support, truly amazing things can be achieved.
@ seeing that neither Gecko nor Webkit have achieved that it seems unlikely, but with Google maybe having to sell Chrome it does not seem that far away 🤨
@@jan_the_man yeah that’s why I said it,part of reason why websites are compatible with chromium is because they are optimized for it but if google monopoly ends that will no longer be case
Seeing as how ladybird is much newer than the other browser engines, I'm hoping that with all the mistakes learned from chrome and Firefox, they would be able to do catch up fast.
It's so wonderful not only seeing a new independent browser take hold and become a serious player in the web space, but being able to see it happen and view the contributions people like you and the Ladybird team make through your videos.
Why would they use swift when it's an apple proprietary language and this is supposed to be a brand new cross platform browser with no hard ties to any specific company?
@@theairaccumulator7144 Swift is open-source (Apache 2.0) and cross-platform. Afaik the reason why the devs chose Swift over something like Rust is that a lot of the web specifications are written in an OOP-style, and Swift can do OOP unlike Rust
With VSCode working, now I'm wondering if (or at what point) we could be seeing electron-like desktop apps based on Ladybird. Dethroning two monopolies at once!
It's great to see another browser on the rise! Keep up the good work! I hope the focus will stay on functionality and not on how be more Chrome-like than Chrome itself. One feature I would like to see, that will make Ladybird more unique, compared to other browsers: Native support for Gemini protocol, with an option to automatically load the Gemini version ahead of HTML one (if available) when browsing to a certain URL. This will also help the growth of the Gemini community. People are tired of web bloat and looking for simplicity. Not having to rely on an additional browser, just to for Gemini, will certainly help achieve that goal. And it will make Internet a better place for everyone.
@sonicSnap A completely true, yet completely irrelevant statement. :) Ladybird already had Gemini support, that was removed. The point I am trying to make: this is a chicken and an egg problem. Gemini will be more popular if supported by a generic browser and not just something niche. And Ladybird will get more interest and more users as well.
i know this project is still in early stage despite being riding ahead like formula 1 car but i'm curious: are you planning to add privacy protecting features against most of the nastiness around the today's web, like tracking and ads? will be there eventually sometime in the future some extensions platform or that's rather something you wouldn't want to implement?
The browser is still quite far from being daily drive. It has some stuff developers need to work on like mentioned Cloudflare anti-bot verification. I'm pretty sure a lot of security services will just block you in this state but it's getting closer to being in a useful state! 🙏
This is perhaps just me being pessimistic but I don't think that's right (yet!). Whilst the improvements made so far are wonderful and impressive, my understanding is, the team is focusing on implementing the different specs without a strong focus on performance optimizations at this very moment - and I indeed feel this when using LB. That's not surprising though, it's hard to do everything at once, especially in something as complex as a browser, notwithstanding the fact that they built many things from scratch. Just how far the LB team has made it, is incredibly impressive in it of itself but I think we're **at least** a few years out of being able to switch to LB as a daily driver. However, just by using it, and relaying your experience, reporting bugs etc. you're doing your part and before we know it, LB will be our primary browser. Looking forward to that day.
can you please start each update by playing that clip of king of the hill where hank hill calls 'laaaaadybird', it's really irritating i have to do it myself, thanks in advance
10:06 That's just how circles look in excalidraw, so Ladybird is doing everything fine there. Great work! 😄
Yep I confirm ladybird is drawing excalidraw properly
Feels like i can almost replace firefox now...
@@vaisakh_km Not really, It's still not passing the Cloudflare
The fact that you can run excalidraw and vscode now is just plain mind blowing to me. It’s like solving multi-dimensional puzzle and all the pieces are slowly coming together.
The question is, if somebody focused on excalidraw to make it work or it just works, because of random improevements.
@@Nanagoseven if someone focused it for improving, they have to improve canvas, even handing etc... it it can do that without crashing means, it can def open 90% of all canvas based websites...
Excalidraw was actually rendered correctly because it's supposed to look hand-drawn.
I get the same uneven lines on Brave and Firefox too. Great work!
I think this is what is called "A healthy competition"
I had no idea all the hard work that goes into building a browser from scratch, but I'm thrilled that all of you are willing to do it.
It was explained to me that a proper browser is like an operating system. Very complex.
@@D.von.N I don't want to sound like a troll but is ladybird an browser or an engine that will be used by browsers?
@@K.Parth_Singh AFAIK it will be both. A new kid on the block
@@K.Parth_SinghThe engine is called LibWeb, Ladybird is the browser
Yeah, but considering how even Apple forked code for their browser despite being massive I am not surprised. And that isnt the half of it, the worst part seems to maintain it, and to have it work on standards that are not designed for it etc etc. I heard through the grapevine that this was a big reason internally at Microsoft that they dropped their Trident engine because nobody wanted to maintain or work on it, it was a mess. Yes it still receives security updates but it's on life support.
Having VSCode work is absolutely mind blowing. Such an incredible project, might bring real competition to the industry
you might just be able to work on ladybird code from inside of ladybird now lol
Absolutely insane to see the progress in the last 3 months! At this rate I think we can see Gecko-like WPT performance before next summer... I feel like Ladybird is proving that, once an open-source project manages to build enough support, truly amazing things can be achieved.
I hope it surpasses chromium In standard support soon
@ seeing that neither Gecko nor Webkit have achieved that it seems unlikely, but with Google maybe having to sell Chrome it does not seem that far away 🤨
@@jan_the_man yeah that’s why I said it,part of reason why websites are compatible with chromium is because they are optimized for it but if google monopoly ends that will no longer be case
Seeing as how ladybird is much newer than the other browser engines, I'm hoping that with all the mistakes learned from chrome and Firefox, they would be able to do catch up fast.
It's so wonderful not only seeing a new independent browser take hold and become a serious player in the web space, but being able to see it happen and view the contributions people like you and the Ladybird team make through your videos.
Having VS Code work in Ladybird is pretty big!
The excalidraw demo is probably the most amazing from Ladybird, you guys are doing a fantastic job! :D
Amazing work! Pretty wholesome to see a new browser develop this fast
full support for vscode will garner some serious attention.
That's impressive. Really excited to switch to Ladybird once it's finished
Each month the demos become more impressive. Huge thanks to everyone working on Ladybird!
Babe wake up, Ladybird dev posted again!
This project makes me happy 😀
Progress!! Cool that point events works in excalidraw
Great progress. Keep up the good work 👌
lots of progress, keep it up Ladybird community, wishing you health and success. good job!
Always start my month with Ladybird updates ✨
Always looking forward to these c:
Exciting to see the project growing.
the monthly dose of good, inspiring open source tech updates
DNS over TLS, hell yeah. Finally a browser that doesn't depend on DoH.
Congratulations on the amazing progress!!
The moment you realise that Ladybird has wide gamut support and Firefox, does not…
I am starting to see Google Chrome out of the door. Awesome!
WHF! Awesome work Andreas and contributors. Great stuff.
Nice updates, nice moderation as usual. Keep going! 🙂
love these monthly updates. cheering for ladybird! :)
It's stunning that Visual Studio Code _already_ works as well as it does. Looking forward to future developments!
i think excalidraw is correct lol
I am learning Swift just to contribute to this project.
It doesn't use much swift at all yet. Mostly C++ and will be for quite a while
@kreuner11 Ya you are right. By the time they started using more Swift I will be ready. I just don't like C++
Why would they use swift when it's an apple proprietary language and this is supposed to be a brand new cross platform browser with no hard ties to any specific company?
@theairaccumulator7144 its not proprietary, and works on all platforms
@@theairaccumulator7144 Swift is open-source (Apache 2.0) and cross-platform. Afaik the reason why the devs chose Swift over something like Rust is that a lot of the web specifications are written in an OOP-style, and Swift can do OOP unlike Rust
Amazing project.
Vs code working is so cool!
Still looking forward for the project! 🙏
With VSCode working, now I'm wondering if (or at what point) we could be seeing electron-like desktop apps based on Ladybird. Dethroning two monopolies at once!
Love the project! Keep it up!
Huzzah! A fantastic effort from everyone!
I'm so excited for Ladybird! I wish I was a better developer so I could contribute. When I'm in a better financially I'll contribute.
Man the stuff with browsers just getting worse and worse, Ladybug we need you. Wish I could contribute. I could do localization if you need that.
10:14 its actually correct
Missed october and now this bearded guy appeared from nowhere!
It's great to see another browser on the rise!
Keep up the good work!
I hope the focus will stay on functionality and not on how be more Chrome-like than Chrome itself.
One feature I would like to see, that will make Ladybird more unique, compared to other browsers:
Native support for Gemini protocol, with an option to automatically load the Gemini version ahead of HTML one (if available) when browsing to a certain URL.
This will also help the growth of the Gemini community. People are tired of web bloat and looking for simplicity.
Not having to rely on an additional browser, just to for Gemini, will certainly help achieve that goal.
And it will make Internet a better place for everyone.
the program is open source ;)
@sonicSnap A completely true, yet completely irrelevant statement. :)
Ladybird already had Gemini support, that was removed.
The point I am trying to make: this is a chicken and an egg problem.
Gemini will be more popular if supported by a generic browser and not just something niche.
And Ladybird will get more interest and more users as well.
@@mitya it's not irrelevant! it's open source, anyone can add gemini support whenever they want. including you!
Let’s go new update
Really cool to see!
truly awesome stuff
How come it can't get past the Cloudflare page? Is it that Cloudflare doesn't recognise the browse so it doesn't want to let it pass?
Impressive work!
Flow remains the White Whale for 2024.
Love this browser grow ❤❤
Well done!
Ah man I'm waiting for this to be done. It'll be awesome if other browsers can also use the LB engine.
Awesome hope WebRTC Peer connections will work soon
Can you take a look in the AUR and help us get the building of Ladybird going again for ArchLinux? Would love to check out the progress :)
in chaotic-aur/ladybird fresh version 20241006-1.7 (bin), Build Date Sun 01 Dec 2024.
@@iindintheedresia3857 yeah, that's a 2 month old version.
Live browser dev using VS Code web version is the ultimate dog fooding
please please have a tabless version.
I didn't know ladybird uses QT... i have used PyQT in prod, so am clear with concepts, def try to contribute..
nice update!! ^^
i love this.
0:34 dhh mentioned
Getting sponsored by a follow botting provider be like:
6:55 what's lg?
It’s probably an alias that changes his directory to the ladybird git directory on his machine
@@sthenyandeni7937 ah, wonder if it stands for lagom for him.
continue and persist :)
Lets beat Flow til the end of the year.
When is the release of the Browser ?
Incredible! I’ve been looking for a new FOSS project to support/contribute to, and I think this might be it.
5:56 will oklab color spaces also be implemented? :)
i know this project is still in early stage despite being riding ahead like formula 1 car but i'm curious: are you planning to add privacy protecting features against most of the nastiness around the today's web, like tracking and ads? will be there eventually sometime in the future some extensions platform or that's rather something you wouldn't want to implement?
will this avail for windows?
Is it just me or has the performance improved markedly in the last couple of months, just based on these videos??
You could barely scroll a static webpage before
make it a downloadadble app i cant get it to run on my mac ...
It's good enough now to daily drive, maybe I should switch from Firefox?
The browser is still quite far from being daily drive. It has some stuff developers need to work on like mentioned Cloudflare anti-bot verification. I'm pretty sure a lot of security services will just block you in this state but it's getting closer to being in a useful state! 🙏
This is perhaps just me being pessimistic but I don't think that's right (yet!). Whilst the improvements made so far are wonderful and impressive, my understanding is, the team is focusing on implementing the different specs without a strong focus on performance optimizations at this very moment - and I indeed feel this when using LB. That's not surprising though, it's hard to do everything at once, especially in something as complex as a browser, notwithstanding the fact that they built many things from scratch. Just how far the LB team has made it, is incredibly impressive in it of itself but I think we're **at least** a few years out of being able to switch to LB as a daily driver. However, just by using it, and relaying your experience, reporting bugs etc. you're doing your part and before we know it, LB will be our primary browser. Looking forward to that day.
Not at all. Doesn't even support downloading yet, and you'll have trouble passing through bot checks online
It wouldn't be too great without adblocks. Im assuming it doesn't have extension support
@@Eddio0141yo
can i ask one thing? what is the need to reinvent the wheel ?
Because the available wheels suck
The current wheels are either collapsing or supported by those collapsing wheels…
can you please start each update by playing that clip of king of the hill where hank hill calls 'laaaaadybird', it's really irritating i have to do it myself, thanks in advance
You should optimize for things you want to see in the web and ignore all the baggage.
Deadend project. Ditch the web bloat and get back to developing a lightweight operating system.
would much rather prefer a desperately needed web competitor than just another operating system in the dozens we already have
If you want to use JavaScript make a compiler for JavaScript that is fast as C or rust or Go
And I'm sorry but JavaScript just hinders the performance of our pc's
JavaScript is a problem
Glad to hear youre end += ' _doing better!_ ' ❤