the bible says "you should not EAT or DRINK in excess, i asked the elders "how do you monitor the BIG elders in the congregation for breaking the rules in over eating?" they said 'Its hard to monitor what people eat" and i said 'but you can monitor what people drink?" then they replied "that's apostate talk" HAHA
You can't really moniter what people do in private really, they could smoke or get drunk in their basement or whatever and no one sees them but that elder saying "that's apostate talk" is very disturbing. You just stated your opinion so that was a bad comment he made.
My mom was disfellowshipped for drinking from elders who were drunks. It is so absurd. Im glad we all got out. My parents stopped drinking once the stress of the organization stopped.
Yes me too. At my reinstatement meeting a brother admitted himself inncase I mentioned it that he had to be careful I used to drink with two out of the 3 of them ..
By 2020 I was a daily drinker. But I woke up from my indoctrination by the end of that year and got my drinking under control once the enormous stress of being a JW came off my shoulders. I still drank while attending zoom meetings when I was still PIMO. Can't sit through that ilk without help.
Spot on Beth! I remember after my dad died ; my mother made the statement Your dad can’t protect us any longer”. I was already fading but hadn’t woken up yet. I was Not of the golden ones . Even though my dad was an elder I was never accepted into the golden group. But
It's terrible. I heard they are called a bunch of depressed alcoholics. You are such a beautiful woman Beth. I'm so glad that you and your husband are back. God be with yall😘😘😘.
An elder I served wiht had alcohol at gatherings at his house and said who ever want a shot go to the backyard. I didn't drink. Eventually was an outcast from future gatherings.
Unfortunately the majority of jws we knew were alcoholics and the elders were the worst ones. The sad part for us was that they kinda mocked my husband cause he wouldn’t drink he just didn’t like drinking they tried pushing him to drink and this was coming from some of the elders unbelievable and sad , I’m just happy that we’re out ! Thank you Great video ❤
Thank you Beth for helping to bring light to this subject. I have a small TH-cam channel as well and speak a lot on alcohol and JWs as a JW of 45+ years before leaving (out 5+) and being a recovering alcoholic myself. Hope you and Jon and the family are doing well. We used to talk to Jon on discord years ago. 😊
I just saw one of your vids June and OMG it was exactly what I needed. I'm sober now but it really hit home and was the first time I'd heard such FRANK discussion about JWs and their alcohol problem. You are so refreshingly honest and encouraging and I have no doubt your content is going to help a lot of people who are living in shame and desperate for help. Alcohol started early for me, while I was still a kid in the org but got totally out of hand after I left, long before the internet hooked all us xjws up with healthier exit/coping strategies. I just celebrated four and three years tobacco and alcohol free and am grateful for my recovery and so stoked that FINALLY it's being talked about as a matter of fact instead of just joking around about what we all knew of and often participated in. Thanks for your content! I'd love to see you and Beth collaborate somehow one of these days!! 🌟🌟🌟
@@purplefireweed congratulations! 4/3 is amazing!!! I can only imagine how difficult the struggle was before the Internet was here to connect all us ExJWs! And thank you! It's not always easy being so vulnerable and putting myself out there but I think it really needs to be talked about seriously and for ppl to understand what a huge problem alcoholism is within the JW organization and how ppl even still struggle once leaving. Again, congrats! And all the luck to you!!! 💗
@@JustDeannaJune thank you so much, June. I really appreciate the boost. I thought I'd never find others like me, even after discovering this amazing and vast apostate network! I was totally on my own for decades and even today only know other XJWs online. I'd love to see an XJW women's roundtable on alcoholism. There's more to be talked about. A lot more. Congratulations on your sobriety as well, and thanks for pushing through the hard stuff. 💖
Thing that makes me laugh is, they say they're there to 'help' you. They couldn't help you out of a paper bag IMHO. In my experience the only 'help' they know how to give if you're struggling with either of the issues you mentioned, if you go to them more thsn once with the same issue is to say, well we'll have to have a judicial committee now. And we all know where that leads. They have no interest in understanding _why_ you're doing it, or helping you understand, the related issues surrounding what led you to having such problems, so you can deal with it and move on because contrary to the opinion of themselves and the org, they are NOT qualified to understand the reasons why certain people may have/develop a problem with such things. It's basically 'don't do it or get caught doing it' or else. Because we said so.
right they are just interested in "disfellowshipping" you rather than saying maybe you should go to AA or whatever helpful place to give you a chance to overcome your problem. It's a hypocritical org. Don't do as I do, do as I say.
@@GEC416 spot on. Don't do as I do do as I say is a mantra I grew up with from a very young age. I suspect a lot of us did. Edit: As you say I sought outside help many years ago and dealt with the various issues quite successfully. Surprisingly enough the majority of the root of the problem started with the org.
Beth, I can remember Saturday morning field service with elders that reeked of alcohol. Keep in mind it's 10am. I'm certain the people answering the door could smell it as well. Looking back in retrospect, I seriously question how this behavior was acceptable. But if a teenager in the congregation was caught smoking a cigarette, they would get raked over the coals.. . Same goes for some of the elderly sisters. Sunday morning in the kingdom hall and sister so and so sitting behind me smells like a gin mill. 12 years in the org was enough for me. I faded and never looked back.
Anyone who "reeked of alcohol" in the morning drank to excess the night before. But a group of drunks find it difficult to condemn another drunk, especially if they are on the same "team".🍺
"Poly-behavioral Addiction": Causes issues, including: Anxiety, guilt and depression, which many JW's suffer from because of the unrealistic pressures of their GB overlords. Jesus, whom they shun, said: "Enter into my rest." Accept God's forgiving grace. Accept the "Love, Joy, Peace" from God's Holy Spirit. "I leave you with my peace. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid." Jn 14:27
When I was in my late teens and into my early adult life my PIMO associates (the only ones I felt safe hanging out with) and I would often stop by the liqueur store after meetings and get "happy". Sometimes we would go camping which usually became one big intoxication event. A number of us had motorcycles, and I remember a number of times riding together when we really weren't in any shape to have been on our bikes at all. Every get together we had usually involved mass quantities of alcohol. I remember a number of Sunday morning meetings being quite hungover and trying real hard to hide it. One time I went to the ministry school/service meeting still high on pot from getting high at school, which was a very regular thing for me. Of course this was all under the radar, so to speak. We were living a double life. Ahh, the good old/bad old days. Definitely coping strategies.
I have seen everything you have spoken about in this video 📹 as being true especially the double standard with regard to alcohol 🍸 , another hold over from the time of Joseph Franklin Rutherford who was a famous drunkard and insisted that others follow his example 😳
In that video, Tony was asked if he knew anything about Irish whisky and he quickly replied "Yes." But then he caught himself and added, "Well my wife does"...! "This woman you gave me..." as Adam blamed Eve...
th-cam.com/video/1bbuNsxWkDo/w-d-xo.htmlsi=B9dEXizUPtpe_kXJ Only 12 bottles 😂 with the donations money while they’re not giving one dollar to support brothers and sisters homelessness or victims of natural disasters
Thank you. Guarantee that the Governing Body get in there together and have a few sessions, but only the very best. Poor whats his name, ( Tony Morris ), filmed at the bottle shop on a Sunday morning buying top notch booze by the trolley, something that the average JW's can not afford. Yet they tell everyone, to give, give, it is for Jehovah. Think where your money is going. These men want for nothing. Ask them for help, that doesn't exist, you are out of luck. I have nothing against people having a few drinks, it is the principal. Double standards, and exploitation. Provide for your family not for them. Let them leave it up to Jehovah, their catch phrase.
I had a “Houston we have a problem!” a few years back during a lunch break a convention. I was part of a cultural minority, so the convention would be held at the Bethel Kingdom Hall instead of the convention center located close to Bethel. So on one occasion a member of the branch committee invited me and the two other locals from our community (the rest of the congregation were all foreigners) to have lunch with him and his wife. So on the walk to their apartment in Bethel he casually mentions that they usually have a glass of wine with their lunch. But on convention days they abstain from drinking any kind of alcoholic beverage, because [even one glass of wine] clouds the brain during the afternoon. That comment alone raised some serious red flags on my search for the truth!! And sowed some serious doubt about the integrity that Jehovah's Witnesses tout so much.
So good to hear you again, Beth! I was amazed to see the drinking that went on even when we went as a group out to a brunch! Very eye opening! I’m long gone!
OMG! Yes. I knew several 'brothers' AND elders who were HEAVY drinkers. A few actually started (or tried) their OWN brewing brands!! They always emphasized "moderation" but nope. Whenever there were gatherings, there was alcohol. Some could 'hold their own' fairly well, but every so often... Somehow, gatherings seemed to keep the brothers in check from overdrinking. It is really sad. In my old congregation, they often used the phrase: "according to* [your]* conscience"
They are just a bunch of gossipers eager to know everyone's business, I knew one that would not answer his phone after 6PM so he could get his drink on and if you would call his attention he would gas light you, I had an in-law who was an elder and had a bad drinking problem he reeked and I would tell him so what he would do was tell people that I was a liar not to listen to what would say he was so afraid i was going to tell others but thanks to the awakening i had now i can get the last laugh and keep it to my self. The tower is burning
My sister told me that she can’t quit alcohol because she still needs to go to meetings. The meetings make her depressed and alcohol is the way she copes. I was dependent on alcohol when I was an active JW and while fading, and have recently cut WAY back.
I had the same experience. I drank so much when I was a JW then I left for good and I barely drink now. I’m just happy now. We are told people the world are miserable because they don’t have Jehovah it turns out they are the miserable ones
I was never a JW, but again, learned a lot about you guys after the shunning started by my BFF at the time. But before that happened, my BFF married the man who got her into the organization. I was the officiant and married them. Yeah, I know. If I had to do it again, I wouldn't. I clearly recall a few people getting schnockered at the reception 😅
Hooked on marijuana? Disfellowship! Hooked on prescription drugs? OK. Addicted to cigarettes? Disfellowship! Addicted to Alcohol? OK, but try to cut back brother... Hooked on gambling, hoping to make a profit? Disfellowship! Hooked on betting on a stock or derivative in the stock market hoping to make a profit? OK Starting to get the picture?
@@GEC416Playing the stock market is definitely a legalized form of gambling. Frankly, the way I see it is: I lose enough money buying necessities. Why would I want to risk losing even more money (if I had extra to spare in the first place) on the mere possibility of making more in the exchange once I cashed out? Besides, even if I could afford it, I generally don't have the kind of money to buy enough shares in a company to see any real return on the investment to be worth it. It simply doesn't make any sense to me. And, the goings-on with Troth Sential-enjoyable though it is to hear about because it couldn't happen to a nicer guy-only add to my misgivings about this legalized form of gambling. Truly, a fool and his money are soon parted.
My experience working with a baptized witness is, every time we take a lunch break at the ol' Mexican restaurant, my brother always gets himself a "big" glass of beer.....then drives!
I knew a JW who drank a lot then lost his job and drank a lot more trying to deal with the stress and so was dis-fellowshipped. The result was, that he drank even more and died from alcohol-related issues very quickly after that. His JW son and wife treated him like a leper during his entire life but after his death, the son posted on Facebook…..miss you Dad, see you in the resurrection. Then, I understood the root cause for his alcohol abuse, blaming himself because he had spawned a total zombie was just too much to endure.
Love listening to your eloquent chat . Very listenable and very informative. I didn’t realise they could drink as I recall having a discussion with some over the ‘’evils of tea and coffee “ ! Me being a ‘ tea - aholic ‘ ( well I am from UK 😂 ). I thought it was ridiculous they couldn’t drink caffeine but now I find they can drink alcohol !
Actually, that's the Mormons who prohibit caffeine. The Society has, at times, flat out encouraged caffeine because it ostensibly keeps Jehovah's witnesses alert in the field service.
When i was young i worked on a lot of kingdom halls in southern california. A elder would show up with a classic truck with the back of it completely full of beer and ice he would always tell all the other brothers. We cannot drink this on the kingdom Hall property, but across the street over there that is Babylon the great.😂😂 so we would all walk across the street and get completely shitfaced. This went on at every quick build that we did back in the day. That was the standing joke no drinking on kingdom hall property, but you could go across the street to Babylon the great.lol
Thanks for another gripping video. Just curious - at what point will Witnesses abandon attempts at converting others...? How stubborn and resistant does a potential convert need to be, before Witnesses decide conversion is a waste of time, energy, and breath? Is there a set time frame in which attempts continue, until it's given up as hopeless?
If Jon's video last night is any indication, given the Society's announcement to the servants, not any time soon. The Society will continue to emphasize the field service as long as possible in spite of dispensing with the enforcement mechanism for it, the reporting of hours. By telling the servants to harp about Bible studies, the Society appears to be shifting back to focusing on the house-to-house service while at the same time encouraging the use of the carts.
I used to work for a very well known company in the manufacture automotive parts. Every monday morning there were these 2 guys that became very good friends because they were both Jehova's Witness and they would start the shift and brag about how much hard licquor they would drink the whole weekend and they were very proud of that. I used to think to myself aren't they supposed to be christians? They would sicken me just with the way they would carry on.
Then the coordinator can drink his mixed drinks the way he wants, but when I would have a couple beers, it was a huge problem, said it changes me and my "addiction" was holding me back. I have not drank in months! What a bunch of crap.
Great food for thought, I never compared cigarattes and alcohol in the JW like that. But for years, though I am not a smoker, found the hypocracy of health organisations and governements when it comes to treating alcohol with baby gloves. I am a moderate drinker, but I ask myself why do we not have scary pictures in the bottles of alcohols like we have them in cigarettes, because as much as there are occassion that a cigaratte smoking can affect others, but drinking does that at an alarming rate, drinking and driving kills innivent drivers and passengers, most people who burn a house through smoking do that when they are drunk. Thanks fir raising the issue of alcohol been treated as a lesser evil by the JW.
Alcohol? ... OH YES! Most JW men drink like a fish. I know, I was a third generation JW. Jesus (just like the god Dionysios by the way) turned water into wine at a wedding. So who are we to judge? Right? 90% of all the Elders I knew drank on a regular basis. Coping mechanism? Oh yes.
And, according to the Gospel accounts although not according to the Society, he turned wine into his own blood. It just goes to show the prominence booze really are accorded in Christianity-and in Christian-adjacent groups, such as the Society.
I studied with an older jw pioneer who was married to a jw alcoholic! She almost left him after probably more than 45 yrs of marriage. She decided, after speaking with the elders, who told her bc he didn't do it a public setting (stumbling others) and it was within their own home (behind closed doors) that they wouldn't do anything except maybe chat with him. She thought about it and realized she, after being a pioneer for most her life (raised a jw) that it would make life even more difficult for her financially, esp. She didn't love him so much anymore but still cared as he had been her only love. They were married since she was about 15. She was obviously unhappy but, she lived to pioneer and was seriously OCD with cleaning and organizing. It's just sad as we watched her end up having to take care of him as he aged and became very sickly! Eventually he died but... she herself became ill with Alzheimer's and went on to have her son and his wife take care of her before she then passed. Alcohol can and does ruin lives!!
There was also a younger man in the cong who had a surgery that led to his becoming addicted to pain killers and mixing them with alcohol which he was already addicted to as well. He then decided he was of the anointed and some time later was turned in by his sister who told the elders, after having been accused of CSA, towards teen bros, that he, her own biological bro had molested her as well! Did they do anything? A slap on the back of his hand and on top of it all, still a drunk who believed he was of the anointed! 🙄
OH, She, the sister, was also just slapped on the back of her hands! She's still an alcoholic herself and though her husband left her, she's not in jail for her crimes against those teen boys! They were prob around 16/17 so thats maybe why. Idk Sadly, 1 of those boys were mine (aged 17) as he was dating her daughter and she took advantage of him! I didn't find out until he was an adult! By then, he didn't want to do anything, so... there ya go!
Alcohol was most always generously served at most all get-togethers, and people definitely drank! I did, too, but never liked getting drunk, so I didn't although others would!
I honestly didn't know, but a few whom I had association with that didn't drink! Practically everyone did!! Not that I feel drinking, within reason is bad. Just that it seemed to be a serious staple to everyday life amongst JW's...inc myself! I have since, pulled waaay back on it and only drink a little bit on occasion. I'm also within the pimo/pomo mode! I'm making my way out by drifting away! Have been at it off and on for yrs! Pretty much out now though. 🎉
Alcholic's Anonymous would say, the way to tell when you're drinking too much, is if you feel guilt or have negative ramifictions from it. Doesn't matter if its 2 drinks or 20 drinks.
ive been out 40 yrs alcohol runs rampant with jws. But so does pill use most relatives i know that are still in are on everything from pain killers opiods ritalin and anti depressants. Two people in the kingdom hall in my hometown have recently overdosed and died accidently. sad.
If you have Holy Spirit abiding in you you will want to stop drinking yes it’s okay to do it in moderation just don’t make it a habit as for myself I must first take the log out of my eye before I can point out the splinter in someone else’s eye and I know I will stop drinking alcohol all together because I recently was studying with jws and tainted my view on things so you don’t have to take my word for it take it from the bible and am now seeing for myself what the bible tells me and it is way different from what the jws teach I thank Jesus for not letting me fall into darkness and be blinded to this so called new light as we know the bible is truth and truth never changes only lies change and we should be aware and not ignoring Satans schemes to mislead us in other words let us be of sober mind it will be beneficial for us to leave our addictions behind as we be born again into Christ through his Holy Spirit ❤🙏🏻
My first wife and I when we were in I drink a six-pack of beer one weekend and she told one of the elders and I got in trouble for that yes you can drink but not too much just have one
I'm in AA . I get proper support I didn't get in the congregation. My drinking stsrted after my first DF. Although I do take responsibility for it myself
Oh yeah, my Uncle is heavy drinker as is the rest of his immediate family. When his sister (my mother) was still alive and we would get together, they always drank like fishes. Not to the point of being silly drunk or anything, at least not around the family. But we also went to a lot of college football games and my uncle always had his flask of hard liquor even for early day games. Of course once my mother passed away, I haven't heard one word from any of them. To be fair, I haven't reached out to any of them either. But then again they really screwed me over when she passed away since I was in another state than they were when my mother passed and they basically picked over her stuff and took whatever they wanted before I could get home. Haven't talked to any of them since.
Hi great video!You may not be aware of this, but Medical Marijuana is now allowed in the JW world. I'm in FL and my Elder Brother in law partakes and he smokes it (says it's allowed since he has a card). My JW neice says lot's of her friends have cards too. So guess what they are 420 friendly now, at least when legal in the states.
I'm aware of that particular policy change. To me, however, that smacks of hypocrisy on the Society's part inasmuch as tobacco has been banned within the organization since January 15, 1974. (That's "six months" after the study article announcing that ban was studied in the congregations July 15, 1973.) Even if it is for "medicinal" purposes, I wouldn't want to touch pot with a ten-foot pole. Yet, as far as I can tell, cigarettes are far less problematic despite their reputation in recent years. Granted, I'm probably showing my age when I say that. But, pot just seems to run contrary to benefitting the user, unless the intention is merely to get stoned, and I don't see how that could be a good thing. In that regard, it's the same issue I have with booze.
Hiii Beth :)) I am so happy I found you , I grew up jw and my family is still there , thankfully I didn’t get baptized I am currently trying to figure out of my life and beliefs just bc I am still traumatized and my conscience kills me at times and I know it’s gonna get better but what do you have to say about going to another religion or church ? Would you say a lot of ex jw just forget about God or the Bible ? I hope that makes sense , i am confused about that a little
Glad to see you are back. I have always enjoyed your videos and common sense approach. Would you please do a short video that summarizes your involvement with the Jw’s and why you started your original channel?
Something that you may have on video one of these. First off, I am not a Jehovahs Witness. I never have been a Jehovahs Witness in my whole life and I am not a Jehovahs Witness as of recently. I just found the show Stop The Shunning today and I listened to the whole show on Jehovahs Witness And Alcohol. I am not a Jehovahs Witness and never been a Jehovahs Witness in my whole life. I am not an alcohol drinker. I used to drink alcohol but I quit drinking alcohol quite a few years ago. So I am not a Jehovahs Witness and I no longer drink alcohol. Now, here is something that you may talk about in a video one of these days. I never heard of anything which a Jehovahs Witness, if it was forbid by the Jehovahs Witness or not, I never once was told on this. Caffeine! I never was told that caffeine was forbidden by the Jehovahs Witness or is it okay for a Jehovahs Witness to have coffee. Not once have I been told this. You may have a video one day. If you have a video about this, call it Jehovahs Witness And Caffeine. This would be interesting to me because I am addicted to caffeine, I have a cup of coffee every day!!! I am addicted to caffeine. If you want to you can have a video called Jehovahs Witness And Caffeine. Have a great day!
There is a video out there showing Tony Morris buying like $800 worth of booze ... it wasn't too long after that he was dismissed from the governing body ... I don't know what has happened to him since ... Owen Morgan (Telltale) might know
My ex drank lots of beer with the other dudes n elders n bro n stuff they were high consumers of them canned drinks 3 hefty xl size garbage bags …girls drink outta a box drink gallons. I did not drink just watch them all for years i saw it myself im 63 now
I am beyond surprised that JW would allow alcohol. I thought it would be similar to Mormons church for some reason, probably because I see their indoctrination styles as similar.
You definitely are not exaggerating. Drinking is what most of them so best. My mom was a regular pioneer and she drank every day and when we got together she was the loudest and drank the most. My brother in law who was either a ministerial servant or an elder at the time got so drunk from drinking jack daniels all night at a gathering, he threw up all over the floor and my sister had to drag him to his room. I don’t fault them. It seems most of the members of JW are not happy people. They are all trying to live up to an impossible standard.
Overeating is classified in the bible too as bad as drinking but they convienttly overlook this because they have easy lifes and all they ,ook forward to is cakes after field servce
I was a wicked heathen sinner who loved booze and cocaine. Jesus instantly delivered me one night. I was the guy who was never going to stop ether. God can work some miracles and they don't seem like miracles but they are. Born again Christians who get filled with the Holy Ghost can tell you what the power of God truly is. People believe they have the Holy Spirit but they don't. You will know with out a doubt that you have the Holy Ghost when you get baptized in the name of Jesus. That's what was taught in Acts and people must stop sinning or Jesus will throw you into the lake of fire.
Were you ever an elder or a ministerial servant? I was, and the elders were very often heavy drinkers. The rank and file weren't allowed to be, but they were. On a compassionate note, they were men who had full time jobs and families, and on top of that had the stress and pressure of putting long hours in with their congregation responsibilities -- all unpaid. Therapy and mental health care were looked down on (much more so back then than now), and so they were self-medicating.
Whats even more hypocrisy is that my father buys his disfellowshipped wife alcohol & tobacco & apparently this is ok. That don't seem right to me at all. 😂 If this is allowed then this is complete in opposition to what jw's teach. Does anyone know the answer?
The Bible talks about wine and people getting drunk. So no, wine had alcohol and could get you drunk. The surprising thing about Jesus’s miracle is that it was wine. Wine takes months to ferment and be of high quality,yet he did it in seconds. Making grape juice wouldn’t have been very impressive.
All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. Do you follow scripture? There is a parable about roots and where they are sown. Where has your roots been sown? Matthew 23:3
I’m not considering myself a jw no more, for a while… l feel like my consensus have a strong estructure after l don’t care for the big and destruible lies. Yes say a words out at t 9:379:379:37 he line and you will se your😅 friends are being going😢😢 foreverForever😮 said goodbye to Hollywood…./say goodbye my baby
I see that your channel name is "stop the shunning." This is a noble cause. Are you aware that the Scriptures foretell that a prophet will be sent to God's people (Jehovah's Witnesses), and that this "messenger" will bring families separated by this unbiblical practice back together again? You can see that prophecy at Malachi 4:5,6, along with the outcome if he fails in his commission. (Mal 3:1) This final prophet "Elijah" will also restore true Christianity and other important Bible truths (Matt 17:11). Would you like to see some of his message and restoration work? He's on Quora.
Did it ever occur to you that the leaders of your organization have cherry picked scriptures to use a control mechanism? Your leaders which are just random men sit at a board meeting weekly deciding the fate of millions of followers and it’s no different than what the pope does, except you have about 9 pope like men currently. These random board members don’t want to lose followers so they purposely don’t want their sheep talking to people that have left . These men control all the information and don’t want the sheep to do research and call anything that is not on their website misinformation. When you start hearing these men really using misinformation in videos it’s a sign they hiding stuff . Currently there is an investigation into CSA in Pennsylvania that is statewide with the Jehovah’s Witnesses and they have already arrested 16 disgusting pedophiles in your organization. One of the latest videos has a guy doing a talk on misinformation named Gary B. What’s so interesting is this Gary has been in a deposition for a huge Montana CSA cover up of destroying evidence and watchtower is getting sanctioned there for it . There is also the Australian royal commission on CSA that had over a thousand cases of unreported CSA and Geoffrey Jackson had to testify . There are court documents and transcripts out there or even videos of the Australian Royal Commission on CSA case study 29 JW’s. Do some actual research and learn about the control mechanisms they use against their members.
Why most Christians on TH-cam always go against Jehovah's Witnesses, while JWs seems to keep minding their business. TH-camrs even include poor JWs in their videos without their concern..They are making everything to humiliate JWs and even say it's a cult. However JWs seem to be the humblest religion out of all Christians. I've never came across a video in TH-cam where a JW is making videos about how he challenged another religious person..
If you think the religion of Jehovah's Witnesses is humble, then you know nothing about it. They claim to be the only "true Christians" on the planet and that everyone who's not one of them will be slaughtered by God at Armageddon. They cover up sexual abuse against children all over the world (and are being sued to death because of it), and practice shunning anyone who disagrees with their doctrines or chooses to leave the religion (that's definitely not "minding their business"). There is nothing "humble" about that. JWs don't make videos on TH-cam because they are told not to by their leaders at the Watchtower -- 9 old men who think they will rule as kings over everyone else (again, no humility there). We bring attention to the evils of Watchtower on places like TH-cam to help stop the hate crimes being committed by the Watchtower against its own members (especially children) and former members (through shunning).
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Oh they drink like fish.
Pity that they don’t drink what fish drink 😂!
the bible says "you should not EAT or DRINK in excess, i asked the elders "how do you monitor the BIG elders in the congregation for breaking the rules in over eating?" they said 'Its hard to monitor what people eat" and i said 'but you can monitor what people drink?" then they replied "that's apostate talk" HAHA
always trying to put the fear in you when you make sense
You can't really moniter what people do in private really, they could smoke or get drunk in their basement or whatever and no one sees them but that elder saying "that's apostate talk" is very disturbing. You just stated your opinion so that was a bad comment he made.
Good question!
@@GEC416 A "wolf in sheep's clothing" elder saying "that's apostate talk"" is actually "Pharisee talk".
Run away to Christ! Get out of her my people.
Rutherford was an alcoholic. Cults follow the habits of the leader
My mom was disfellowshipped for drinking from elders who were drunks. It is so absurd. Im glad we all got out. My parents stopped drinking once the stress of the organization stopped.
Yes me too. At my reinstatement meeting a brother admitted himself inncase I mentioned it that he had to be careful
I used to drink with two out of the 3 of them ..
My brother in law was an Elder for 45 years and an alcoholic.
By 2020 I was a daily drinker. But I woke up from my indoctrination by the end of that year and got my drinking under control once the enormous stress of being a JW came off my shoulders. I still drank while attending zoom meetings when I was still PIMO. Can't sit through that ilk without help.
Spot on Beth! I remember after my dad died ; my mother made the statement Your dad can’t protect us any longer”. I was already fading but hadn’t woken up yet. I was Not of the golden ones . Even though my dad was an elder I was never accepted into the golden group. But
I appreciate your direct delivery. Keep them coming!
It's terrible. I heard they are called a bunch of depressed alcoholics. You are such a beautiful woman Beth. I'm so glad that you and your husband are back. God be with yall😘😘😘.
It is sad. And you're very kind. Thanks for the support.
no one can remain in that cult without drinking.
Cheers!
An elder I served wiht had alcohol at gatherings at his house and said who ever want a shot go to the backyard. I didn't drink. Eventually was an outcast from future gatherings.
Unfortunately the majority of jws we knew were alcoholics and the elders were the worst ones. The sad part for us was that they kinda mocked my husband cause he wouldn’t drink he just didn’t like drinking they tried pushing him to drink and this was coming from some of the elders unbelievable and sad , I’m just happy that we’re out ! Thank you Great video ❤
I also stopped drinking and was excluded from gatherings
Because of it.
Thank you Beth for helping to bring light to this subject. I have a small TH-cam channel as well and speak a lot on alcohol and JWs as a JW of 45+ years before leaving (out 5+) and being a recovering alcoholic myself. Hope you and Jon and the family are doing well. We used to talk to Jon on discord years ago. 😊
I just saw one of your vids June and OMG it was exactly what I needed. I'm sober now but it really hit home and was the first time I'd heard such FRANK discussion about JWs and their alcohol problem. You are so refreshingly honest and encouraging and I have no doubt your content is going to help a lot of people who are living in shame and desperate for help. Alcohol started early for me, while I was still a kid in the org but got totally out of hand after I left, long before the internet hooked all us xjws up with healthier exit/coping strategies. I just celebrated four and three years tobacco and alcohol free and am grateful for my recovery and so stoked that FINALLY it's being talked about as a matter of fact instead of just joking around about what we all knew of and often participated in. Thanks for your content! I'd love to see you and Beth collaborate somehow one of these days!! 🌟🌟🌟
@@purplefireweed congratulations! 4/3 is amazing!!! I can only imagine how difficult the struggle was before the Internet was here to connect all us ExJWs! And thank you! It's not always easy being so vulnerable and putting myself out there but I think it really needs to be talked about seriously and for ppl to understand what a huge problem alcoholism is within the JW organization and how ppl even still struggle once leaving. Again, congrats! And all the luck to you!!! 💗
@@JustDeannaJune thank you so much, June. I really appreciate the boost. I thought I'd never find others like me, even after discovering this amazing and vast apostate network! I was totally on my own for decades and even today only know other XJWs online. I'd love to see an XJW women's roundtable on alcoholism. There's more to be talked about. A lot more. Congratulations on your sobriety as well, and thanks for pushing through the hard stuff. 💖
@@purplefireweed 💗🫂🤗
Thing that makes me laugh is, they say they're there to 'help' you. They couldn't help you out of a paper bag IMHO. In my experience the only 'help' they know how to give if you're struggling with either of the issues you mentioned, if you go to them more thsn once with the same issue is to say, well we'll have to have a judicial committee now. And we all know where that leads. They have no interest in understanding _why_ you're doing it, or helping you understand, the related issues surrounding what led you to having such problems, so you can deal with it and move on because contrary to the opinion of themselves and the org, they are NOT qualified to understand the reasons why certain people may have/develop a problem with such things. It's basically 'don't do it or get caught doing it' or else. Because we said so.
right they are just interested in "disfellowshipping" you rather than saying maybe you should go to AA or whatever helpful place to give you a chance to overcome your problem. It's a hypocritical org. Don't do as I do, do as I say.
@@GEC416 spot on. Don't do as I do do as I say is a mantra I grew up with from a very young age. I suspect a lot of us did.
Edit: As you say I sought outside help many years ago and dealt with the various issues quite successfully. Surprisingly enough the majority of the root of the problem started with the org.
Beth, I can remember Saturday morning field service with elders that reeked of alcohol. Keep in mind it's 10am. I'm certain the people answering the door could smell it as well. Looking back in retrospect, I seriously question how this behavior was acceptable.
But if a teenager in the congregation was caught smoking a cigarette, they would get raked over the coals.. . Same goes for some of the elderly sisters. Sunday morning in the kingdom hall and sister so and so sitting behind me smells like a gin mill. 12 years in the org was enough for me. I faded and never looked back.
I find that hard to believe. 34 yrs.out now
Anyone who "reeked of alcohol" in the morning drank to excess the night before. But a group of drunks find it difficult to condemn another drunk, especially if they are on the same "team".🍺
This is not an easy step, but it is essential for your well-being. Today I renounced publicly! And I am happier than ever.
Wonderful to see you again! I missed you!
Sending my abiding love ,admiration and gratitude.
Fellow apostate from southern CA.❤
Another great video keep up the good work very proud of you. You are correct. Alcoholism runs rampant in JW Society. They lean on it really hard.
Been a Jehovah witness for 3 years 1987 1990. I have never seen people drinking like these people.🇹🇩🇹🇩🇹🇩
Religious Fanaticism And Poly-behavioral Addiction, the research shows they go hand on hand
"Poly-behavioral Addiction": Causes issues, including: Anxiety, guilt and depression, which many JW's suffer from because of the unrealistic pressures of their GB overlords. Jesus, whom they shun, said: "Enter into my rest." Accept God's forgiving grace. Accept the "Love, Joy, Peace" from God's Holy Spirit. "I leave you with my peace. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid." Jn 14:27
When I was in my late teens and into my early adult life my PIMO associates (the only ones I felt safe hanging out with) and I would often stop by the liqueur store after meetings and get "happy". Sometimes we would go camping which usually became one big intoxication event. A number of us had motorcycles, and I remember a number of times riding together when we really weren't in any shape to have been on our bikes at all. Every get together we had usually involved mass quantities of alcohol. I remember a number of Sunday morning meetings being quite hungover and trying real hard to hide it. One time I went to the ministry school/service meeting still high on pot from getting high at school, which was a very regular thing for me. Of course this was all under the radar, so to speak. We were living a double life. Ahh, the good old/bad old days. Definitely coping strategies.
I have seen everything you have spoken about in this video 📹 as being true especially the double standard with regard to alcohol 🍸 , another hold over from the time of Joseph Franklin Rutherford who was a famous drunkard and insisted that others follow his example 😳
Memories of Tony Morris. Who knows why he was retired, but some suggest it could have been his consumption 🍸
In that video, Tony was asked if he knew anything about Irish whisky and he quickly replied "Yes." But then he caught himself and added, "Well my wife does"...! "This woman you gave me..." as Adam blamed Eve...
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Only 12 bottles 😂 with the donations money while they’re not giving one dollar to support brothers and sisters homelessness or victims of natural disasters
@@mamajan99must be easy drink whiskey every week with the donations money
Must be easy drink whiskey every week with the donations money
Cliche- Do as I say, not as I do!
Obey people, your life depends on it. 😖😖😖😖
Thank you. Guarantee that the Governing Body get in there together and have a few sessions, but only the very best. Poor whats his name, ( Tony Morris ), filmed at the bottle shop on a Sunday morning buying top notch booze by the trolley, something that the average JW's can not afford. Yet they tell everyone, to give, give, it is for Jehovah. Think where your money is going. These men want for nothing. Ask them for help, that doesn't exist, you are out of luck. I have nothing against people having a few drinks, it is the principal. Double standards, and exploitation. Provide for your family not for them. Let them leave it up to Jehovah, their catch phrase.
I had a “Houston we have a problem!” a few years back during a lunch break a convention. I was part of a cultural minority, so the convention would be held at the Bethel Kingdom Hall instead of the convention center located close to Bethel. So on one occasion a member of the branch committee invited me and the two other locals from our community (the rest of the congregation were all foreigners) to have lunch with him and his wife. So on the walk to their apartment in Bethel he casually mentions that they usually have a glass of wine with their lunch. But on convention days they abstain from drinking any kind of alcoholic beverage, because [even one glass of wine] clouds the brain during the afternoon.
That comment alone raised some serious red flags on my search for the truth!! And sowed some serious doubt about the integrity that Jehovah's Witnesses tout so much.
So good to hear you again, Beth! I was amazed to see the drinking that went on even when we went as a group out to a brunch! Very eye opening! I’m long gone!
OMG! Yes. I knew several 'brothers' AND elders who were HEAVY drinkers. A few actually started (or tried) their OWN brewing brands!! They always emphasized "moderation" but nope. Whenever there were gatherings, there was alcohol. Some could 'hold their own' fairly well, but every so often... Somehow, gatherings seemed to keep the brothers in check from overdrinking. It is really sad. In my old congregation, they often used the phrase: "according to* [your]* conscience"
They are just a bunch of gossipers eager to know everyone's business, I knew one that would not answer his phone after 6PM so he could get his drink on and if you would call his attention he would gas light you, I had an in-law who was an elder and had a bad drinking problem he reeked and I would tell him so what he would do was tell people that I was a liar not to listen to what would say he was so afraid i was going to tell others but thanks to the awakening i had now i can get the last laugh and keep it to my self. The tower is burning
Bottlegate
Yeah the gb doesn't drink the cheap stuff.
My sister told me that she can’t quit alcohol because she still needs to go to meetings. The meetings make her depressed and alcohol is the way she copes. I was dependent on alcohol when I was an active JW and while fading, and have recently cut WAY back.
I had the same experience. I drank so much when I was a JW then I left for good and I barely drink now. I’m just happy now. We are told people the world are miserable because they don’t have Jehovah it turns out they are the miserable ones
Alcohol drinkeritis is a problem in many Christian religious groups. But it must not be a permanent one.
I was never a JW, but again, learned a lot about you guys after the shunning started by my BFF at the time. But before that happened, my BFF married the man who got her into the organization. I was the officiant and married them. Yeah, I know. If I had to do it again, I wouldn't. I clearly recall a few people getting schnockered at the reception 😅
Hooked on marijuana? Disfellowship! Hooked on prescription drugs? OK. Addicted to cigarettes? Disfellowship! Addicted to Alcohol? OK, but try to cut back brother... Hooked on gambling, hoping to make a profit? Disfellowship! Hooked on betting on a stock or derivative in the stock market hoping to make a profit? OK
Starting to get the picture?
my dad and brother had stocks but that was ok? I say it's gambling. Oh yeah btw they were JW's...lol
@@GEC416Playing the stock market is definitely a legalized form of gambling. Frankly, the way I see it is: I lose enough money buying necessities. Why would I want to risk losing even more money (if I had extra to spare in the first place) on the mere possibility of making more in the exchange once I cashed out? Besides, even if I could afford it, I generally don't have the kind of money to buy enough shares in a company to see any real return on the investment to be worth it. It simply doesn't make any sense to me. And, the goings-on with Troth Sential-enjoyable though it is to hear about because it couldn't happen to a nicer guy-only add to my misgivings about this legalized form of gambling. Truly, a fool and his money are soon parted.
Yep. 😅
My experience working with a baptized witness is, every time we take a lunch break at the ol' Mexican restaurant, my brother always gets himself a "big" glass of beer.....then drives!
They can drink enough to get merry but not enough to get drunk.
I knew a JW who drank a lot then lost his job and drank a lot more trying to deal with the stress and so was dis-fellowshipped. The result was, that he drank even more and died from alcohol-related issues very quickly after that. His JW son and wife treated him like a leper during his entire life but after his death, the son posted on Facebook…..miss you Dad, see you in the resurrection. Then, I understood the root cause for his alcohol abuse, blaming himself because he had spawned a total zombie was just too much to endure.
When I was in I needed to get help but to admit you have a drinking problem gets you in judicial committee pretty quick. 16 years out, 11 years sober.
Congrats. Accomplishment on both accounts.
Love listening to your eloquent chat . Very listenable and very informative. I didn’t realise they could drink as I recall having a discussion with some over the ‘’evils of tea and coffee “ ! Me being a ‘ tea - aholic ‘ ( well I am from UK 😂 ). I thought it was ridiculous they couldn’t drink caffeine but now I find they can drink alcohol !
I love a good cuppa.
Actually, that's the Mormons who prohibit caffeine. The Society has, at times, flat out encouraged caffeine because it ostensibly keeps Jehovah's witnesses alert in the field service.
When i was young i worked on a lot of kingdom halls in southern california. A elder would show up with a classic truck with the back of it completely full of beer and ice he would always tell all the other brothers. We cannot drink this on the kingdom Hall property, but across the street over there that is Babylon the great.😂😂 so we would all walk across the street and get completely shitfaced. This went on at every quick build that we did back in the day. That was the standing joke no drinking on kingdom hall property, but you could go across the street to Babylon the great.lol
McCallen is Jehovah’s fav drink!
Or, at least it was until Morris was removed from the Governing Body.
I’m a raised in longtime exjw and in my opinion, anyone who can hang onto the ground/floor without falling off is NOT drunk 😂!
Hmmm do as we say not as we do.
At the Lord's supper which is the Passover they passed around the cup, kool-aid?
Don't give the Society any ideas. On the other hand, the Society, in certain respects, is well on its way to its own Jonestown at some point.
Tony Morris could definitely talk about drinking if he were to be honest.
right he was so worried about "tight pants" but could drink you under the table.
@@GEC416 maybe he was hiding more than the drink!
Thanks for another gripping video. Just curious - at what point will Witnesses abandon attempts at converting others...? How stubborn and resistant does a potential convert need to be, before Witnesses decide conversion is a waste of time, energy, and breath? Is there a set time frame in which attempts continue, until it's given up as hopeless?
If Jon's video last night is any indication, given the Society's announcement to the servants, not any time soon. The Society will continue to emphasize the field service as long as possible in spite of dispensing with the enforcement mechanism for it, the reporting of hours. By telling the servants to harp about Bible studies, the Society appears to be shifting back to focusing on the house-to-house service while at the same time encouraging the use of the carts.
@@thomash.schwed3662 Thanks for the clarification(s). Well, seems they are unmovable on this "venerable" practice!
I used to work for a very well known company in the manufacture automotive parts. Every monday morning there were these 2 guys that became very good friends because they were both Jehova's Witness and they would start the shift and brag about how much hard licquor they would drink the whole weekend and they were very proud of that. I used to think to myself aren't they supposed to be christians? They would sicken me just with the way they would carry on.
After leaving I really started noticing how alcohol is always around jws. It's actually pretty crazy.
Then the coordinator can drink his mixed drinks the way he wants, but when I would have a couple beers, it was a huge problem, said it changes me and my "addiction" was holding me back. I have not drank in months! What a bunch of crap.
Great food for thought, I never compared cigarattes and alcohol in the JW like that. But for years, though I am not a smoker, found the hypocracy of health organisations and governements when it comes to treating alcohol with baby gloves.
I am a moderate drinker, but I ask myself why do we not have scary pictures in the bottles of alcohols like we have them in cigarettes, because as much as there are occassion that a cigaratte smoking can affect others, but drinking does that at an alarming rate, drinking and driving kills innivent drivers and passengers, most people who burn a house through smoking do that when they are drunk.
Thanks fir raising the issue of alcohol been treated as a lesser evil by the JW.
Alcohol? ... OH YES! Most JW men drink like a fish. I know, I was a third generation JW. Jesus (just like the god Dionysios by the way) turned water into wine at a wedding. So who are we to judge? Right? 90% of all the Elders I knew drank on a regular basis. Coping mechanism? Oh yes.
And, according to the Gospel accounts although not according to the Society, he turned wine into his own blood. It just goes to show the prominence booze really are accorded in Christianity-and in Christian-adjacent groups, such as the Society.
I studied with an older jw pioneer who was married to a jw alcoholic! She almost left him after probably more than 45 yrs of marriage. She decided, after speaking with the elders, who told her bc he didn't do it a public setting (stumbling others) and it was within their own home (behind closed doors) that they wouldn't do anything except maybe chat with him. She thought about it and realized she, after being a pioneer for most her life (raised a jw) that it would make life even more difficult for her financially, esp. She didn't love him so much anymore but still cared as he had been her only love. They were married since she was about 15. She was obviously unhappy but, she lived to pioneer and was seriously OCD with cleaning and organizing. It's just sad as we watched her end up having to take care of him as he aged and became very sickly! Eventually he died but... she herself became ill with Alzheimer's and went on to have her son and his wife take care of her before she then passed. Alcohol can and does ruin lives!!
There was also a younger man in the cong who had a surgery that led to his becoming addicted to pain killers and mixing them with alcohol which he was already addicted to as well. He then decided he was of the anointed and some time later was turned in by his sister who told the elders, after having been accused of CSA, towards teen bros, that he, her own biological bro had molested her as well! Did they do anything? A slap on the back of his hand and on top of it all, still a drunk who believed he was of the anointed! 🙄
OH, She, the sister, was also just slapped on the back of her hands! She's still an alcoholic herself and though her husband left her, she's not in jail for her crimes against those teen boys! They were prob around 16/17 so thats maybe why. Idk
Sadly, 1 of those boys were mine (aged 17) as he was dating her daughter and she took advantage of him! I didn't find out until he was an adult! By then, he didn't want to do anything, so... there ya go!
Alcohol was most always generously served at most all get-togethers, and people definitely drank! I did, too, but never liked getting drunk, so I didn't although others would!
I honestly didn't know, but a few whom I had association with that didn't drink! Practically everyone did!! Not that I feel drinking, within reason is bad. Just that it seemed to be a serious staple to everyday life amongst JW's...inc myself! I have since, pulled waaay back on it and only drink a little bit on occasion. I'm also within the pimo/pomo mode! I'm making my way out by drifting away! Have been at it off and on for yrs! Pretty much out now though. 🎉
lol, I remember taking a break from
" Door to Door " Service 1961 as a meer boy with the group, Cigarettes were allowed at that time.😂
Alcholic's Anonymous would say, the way to tell when you're drinking too much, is if you feel guilt or have negative ramifictions from it. Doesn't matter if its 2 drinks or 20 drinks.
ive been out 40 yrs alcohol runs rampant with jws. But so does pill use most relatives i know that are still in are on everything from pain killers opiods ritalin and anti depressants. Two people in the kingdom hall in my hometown have recently overdosed and died accidently. sad.
If you have Holy Spirit abiding in you you will want to stop drinking yes it’s okay to do it in moderation just don’t make it a habit as for myself I must first take the log out of my eye before I can point out the splinter in someone else’s eye and I know I will stop drinking alcohol all together because I recently was studying with jws and tainted my view on things so you don’t have to take my word for it take it from the bible and am now seeing for myself what the bible tells me and it is way different from what the jws teach I thank Jesus for not letting me fall into darkness and be blinded to this so called new light as we know the bible is truth and truth never changes only lies change and we should be aware and not ignoring Satans schemes to mislead us in other words let us be of sober mind it will be beneficial for us to leave our addictions behind as we be born again into Christ through his Holy Spirit ❤🙏🏻
Truly an excellent comment sir, hope others take notice.!
My first wife and I when we were in I drink a six-pack of beer one weekend and she told one of the elders and I got in trouble for that yes you can drink but not too much just have one
really??? omg god a 6 pack and your wife squealed about 3 beers each? that's why she's your "first" wife!
Alcoholism is a mainstay of the organization in my 50 years of experience
I'm in AA . I get proper support I didn't get in the congregation. My drinking stsrted after my first DF. Although I do take responsibility for it myself
That takes immense strength. Good for you.
A persons had too much alcohol if he's grabbing the grass because he feels like he's falling off the face of the earth.
Drink like a fish... but then refuse Christ's blood (wine) at their "memorial"...
Oh yeah, my Uncle is heavy drinker as is the rest of his immediate family. When his sister (my mother) was still alive and we would get together, they always drank like fishes. Not to the point of being silly drunk or anything, at least not around the family. But we also went to a lot of college football games and my uncle always had his flask of hard liquor even for early day games.
Of course once my mother passed away, I haven't heard one word from any of them. To be fair, I haven't reached out to any of them either. But then again they really screwed me over when she passed away since I was in another state than they were when my mother passed and they basically picked over her stuff and took whatever they wanted before I could get home. Haven't talked to any of them since.
Beth, you a great kid. 💚🌹👍
Thanks for your kind words:)
Hi great video!You may not be aware of this, but Medical Marijuana is now allowed in the JW world. I'm in FL and my Elder Brother in law partakes and he smokes it (says it's allowed since he has a card). My JW neice says lot's of her friends have cards too. So guess what they are 420 friendly now, at least when legal in the states.
Well, hells bells! Thanks for sharing.
I'm aware of that particular policy change. To me, however, that smacks of hypocrisy on the Society's part inasmuch as tobacco has been banned within the organization since January 15, 1974. (That's "six months" after the study article announcing that ban was studied in the congregations July 15, 1973.) Even if it is for "medicinal" purposes, I wouldn't want to touch pot with a ten-foot pole. Yet, as far as I can tell, cigarettes are far less problematic despite their reputation in recent years. Granted, I'm probably showing my age when I say that. But, pot just seems to run contrary to benefitting the user, unless the intention is merely to get stoned, and I don't see how that could be a good thing. In that regard, it's the same issue I have with booze.
No caffeine but alcohol is fine
Hiii Beth :))
I am so happy I found you ,
I grew up jw and my family is still there , thankfully I didn’t get baptized
I am currently trying to figure out of my life and beliefs just bc I am still traumatized and my conscience kills me at times and I know it’s gonna get better but what do you have to say about going to another religion or church ? Would you say a lot of ex jw just forget about God or the Bible ? I hope that makes sense , i am confused about that a little
Hang in there. Good topic for the future. Sending hugs.
You’re back!
Glad to see you are back. I have always enjoyed your videos and common sense approach. Would you please do a short video that summarizes your involvement with the Jw’s and why you started your original channel?
So true!
They can now use medicinal mj now too.
Interesting!
The largest addiction to break; religion
I'm stumbled by the beards. Will everyone come shaved at the next meeting? Yeah, right!
Something that you may have on video one of these.
First off, I am not a Jehovahs Witness. I never have been a Jehovahs Witness in my whole life and I am not a Jehovahs Witness as of recently. I just found the show Stop The Shunning today and I listened to the whole show on Jehovahs Witness And Alcohol.
I am not a Jehovahs Witness and never been a Jehovahs Witness in my whole life. I am not an alcohol drinker. I used to drink alcohol but I quit drinking alcohol quite a few years ago. So I am not a Jehovahs Witness and I no longer drink alcohol.
Now, here is something that you may talk about in a video one of these days. I never heard of anything which a Jehovahs Witness, if it was forbid by the Jehovahs Witness or not, I never once was told on this. Caffeine! I never was told that caffeine was forbidden by the Jehovahs Witness or is it okay for a Jehovahs Witness to have coffee. Not once have I been told this. You may have a video one day. If you have a video about this, call it Jehovahs Witness And Caffeine. This would be interesting to me because I am addicted to caffeine, I have a cup of coffee every day!!! I am addicted to caffeine. If you want to you can have a video called Jehovahs Witness And Caffeine. Have a great day!
Father, husband? The women are drinking as well ya know....
Nice vid, drunk 2 beers while watching
LOL
There is a video out there showing Tony Morris buying like $800 worth of booze ... it wasn't too long after that he was dismissed from the governing body ... I don't know what has happened to him since ... Owen Morgan (Telltale) might know
My ex drank lots of beer with the other dudes n elders n bro n stuff they were high consumers of them canned drinks 3 hefty xl size garbage bags …girls drink outta a box drink gallons. I did not drink just watch them all for years i saw it myself im 63 now
Enjoy you !
I drank to cope got condemned for it. But drink is classed as bad as overeating but they ignore that you can get overweight and nothing is said
My wife is a jw she has a alcohol problem
I love you😊
I am beyond surprised that JW would allow alcohol. I thought it would be similar to Mormons church for some reason, probably because I see their indoctrination styles as similar.
upstate NY is anything north of Newburgh
some people says anything north of Poughkeepsie
You definitely are not exaggerating. Drinking is what most of them so best. My mom was a regular pioneer and she drank every day and when we got together she was the loudest and drank the most. My brother in law who was either a ministerial servant or an elder at the time got so drunk from drinking jack daniels all night at a gathering, he threw up all over the floor and my sister had to drag him to his room. I don’t fault them. It seems most of the members of JW are not happy people. They are all trying to live up to an impossible standard.
Overeating is classified in the bible too as bad as drinking but they convienttly overlook this because they have easy lifes and all they ,ook forward to is cakes after field servce
I was a wicked heathen sinner who loved booze and cocaine. Jesus instantly delivered me one night. I was the guy who was never going to stop ether. God can work some miracles and they don't seem like miracles but they are. Born again Christians who get filled with the Holy Ghost can tell you what the power of God truly is. People believe they have the Holy Spirit but they don't. You will know with out a doubt that you have the Holy Ghost when you get baptized in the name of Jesus.
That's what was taught in Acts and people must stop sinning or Jesus will throw you into the lake of fire.
Idk where you grew up, but I’ve never met a witness who was an alcoholic.
We don’t get drunk…we’re allowed 1-2
Glasses of wine
Were you ever an elder or a ministerial servant? I was, and the elders were very often heavy drinkers. The rank and file weren't allowed to be, but they were. On a compassionate note, they were men who had full time jobs and families, and on top of that had the stress and pressure of putting long hours in with their congregation responsibilities -- all unpaid. Therapy and mental health care were looked down on (much more so back then than now), and so they were self-medicating.
Whats even more hypocrisy is that my father buys his disfellowshipped wife alcohol & tobacco & apparently this is ok.
That don't seem right to me at all.
😂
If this is allowed then this is complete in opposition to what jw's teach.
Does anyone know the answer?
The wine Jesus drank was grape juice , unfermented , JWs don't understand tge scripture, juice was called wine never fruit juice
How do you know that?
The Bible talks about wine and people getting drunk. So no, wine had alcohol and could get you drunk. The surprising thing about Jesus’s miracle is that it was wine. Wine takes months to ferment and be of high quality,yet he did it in seconds. Making grape juice wouldn’t have been very impressive.
All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
Do you follow scripture? There is a parable about roots and where they are sown. Where has your roots been sown?
Matthew 23:3
i need proof
I’m not considering myself a jw no more, for a while… l feel like my consensus have a strong estructure after l don’t care for the big and destruible lies.
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I see that your channel name is "stop the shunning." This is a noble cause. Are you aware that the Scriptures foretell that a prophet will be sent to God's people (Jehovah's Witnesses), and that this "messenger" will bring families separated by this unbiblical practice back together again? You can see that prophecy at Malachi 4:5,6, along with the outcome if he fails in his commission. (Mal 3:1) This final prophet "Elijah" will also restore true Christianity and other important Bible truths (Matt 17:11). Would you like to see some of his message and restoration work? He's on Quora.
Did it ever occur to you that the leaders of your organization have cherry picked scriptures to use a control mechanism? Your leaders which are just random men sit at a board meeting weekly deciding the fate of millions of followers and it’s no different than what the pope does, except you have about 9 pope like men currently. These random board members don’t want to lose followers so they purposely don’t want their sheep talking to people that have left . These men control all the information and don’t want the sheep to do research and call anything that is not on their website misinformation. When you start hearing these men really using misinformation in videos it’s a sign they hiding stuff . Currently there is an investigation into CSA in Pennsylvania that is statewide with the Jehovah’s Witnesses and they have already arrested 16 disgusting pedophiles in your organization. One of the latest videos has a guy doing a talk on misinformation named Gary B. What’s so interesting is this Gary has been in a deposition for a huge Montana CSA cover up of destroying evidence and watchtower is getting sanctioned there for it . There is also the Australian royal commission on CSA that had over a thousand cases of unreported CSA and Geoffrey Jackson had to testify . There are court documents and transcripts out there or even videos of the Australian Royal Commission on CSA case study 29 JW’s. Do some actual research and learn about the control mechanisms they use against their members.
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Why most Christians on TH-cam always go against Jehovah's Witnesses, while JWs seems to keep minding their business. TH-camrs even include poor JWs in their videos without their concern..They are making everything to humiliate JWs and even say it's a cult. However JWs seem to be the humblest religion out of all Christians. I've never came across a video in TH-cam where a JW is making videos about how he challenged another religious person..
If you think the religion of Jehovah's Witnesses is humble, then you know nothing about it. They claim to be the only "true Christians" on the planet and that everyone who's not one of them will be slaughtered by God at Armageddon. They cover up sexual abuse against children all over the world (and are being sued to death because of it), and practice shunning anyone who disagrees with their doctrines or chooses to leave the religion (that's definitely not "minding their business"). There is nothing "humble" about that. JWs don't make videos on TH-cam because they are told not to by their leaders at the Watchtower -- 9 old men who think they will rule as kings over everyone else (again, no humility there). We bring attention to the evils of Watchtower on places like TH-cam to help stop the hate crimes being committed by the Watchtower against its own members (especially children) and former members (through shunning).
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