"You learn by doing, not by hearing a lecture on it." Gonna disagree with ya there. Believe it or not, us auditory learners *do* exist. I understand how being told what to do may not be as helpful if you're more of a visual or kinesthetic learner, but that doesn't mean no one benefits from it.
***** Yeah, I have to agree. Even though I can nowadays quickly pick up on what to do and how to do it, if they didn't have the tutorials for me to read out as a kid, I probably wouldn't have gotten so far into gaming that I have and rage quit.
supersonic5432 Which is why he said put it in a separate mode so that those that would rather learn by doing instead of being told what to do and how to do it can have that pleasure.
See, the issue with that is that this solution doesn't exactly work across all genres. Like, the Mario and Luigi series, for example, or for any RPG that takes away from the conventional typical formula that's been built for so long. I believe that the fact that games work with optional tutorials within the story, giving you the option to view them if necessary without having to go so far out of your way to do so.
I know right I love to take my time in a game. Not have a timer thrown in my face in the middle something. Like what if I need to get up for few minutes and make a sandwich or something and their is no pause button or my pause button doesn't work.
For me, It depends on what kind it is. SMG's time limits, QTE, and forever timers( ex. Majora's Mask, Sonic, Mario) Don't scare me. But surprise time limits, invisible time limits, etc. Is another story.
I have definitely thought about Time Limits before with regards to a topic like this but I found I enjoyed them when they were set up properly. Majora's Mask and Pikmin like you said but also escaping an exploding planet in Metroid or just any sort of checkpoint-style race in a game. I think as long as you know it's coming and that it makes sense within what the game expects you to do, I'm reasonably okay with them. Great list though man!
rabbidluigi It's also different when they are times you set up or test you see how fast you can go such as time attack levels like those found in the classic crash bandicoot games as well as racing game time trials. but other than that time limits do suck
What, you want to play as a normal person? You aren't the chosen one just because you're the player, you're playing as that character because they're the chosen one. Why would you want to play as anyone else?
breseman I find it to play out extremely boringly. The only way to make it have a chance at working is with twists, which you could see coming from a mile away. It's a lot more immersive if we don't go through that bs and we either go through the undertakings that is the journey of that character up to the point where he is actually qualified, because let's face it, in most RPGs you're weak as shit starting out and you're going to die if you go anywhere besides from point A to point B. It makes no logical sense that someone like that is "chosen" to undertake the Big Bad especially if there's more badass characters at the ready. It's frustrating and snooze-inducing at the same time, so I guess _that's_ an accomplishment. Okay, I suppose games with less plots can be given a little slack, and I think the video's just about gameplay cliches...
D MAS a good explanation, but I'm with Logan on this one, the less the realism the more enjoyable. And the feeling that you're the only one who can save the world is a good feeling, after all there is a reason why it's called player 1.
+RoflWaffles12 Actually I think that you COULD make it fun if you start out as that person and depending on what you are doing the NPCs or the game system slowly makes you become a hero. You can for example give the player a title for clearing out a really dificult dungeon that renders him a hero. You could successsful PvP players have some mentioning by the NPCs. I think things like that can work really well in an MMO.
10) I actually like these, if done right they're phenomenal 9) This one sucks, progression is the spice of life 8) Hit the nail on the head 7) Never sacrifice fun for realism 6) Kat in Halo Reach driving...or an of Noble Team. Or in Skyrim, I just stopped taking npc's with my after Lydia decided to fight a dragon, a group of bandits, two giants and a herd of mammoths at the same time. 5) I love the Rainbow Road remakes :( but point made. The great maze made my head spin 4) This seems to happen more and more 3) Just cause I played the game recently, but the one mission in the mass effect 3 citadel dlc where you have limited ammo on your only gun and no armour 2) Roaming pokemon. I just don't bother anymore 1) I have so much fury
I'm a pretty big sonic fan and I agree to this! I've seen someone get all over my case just for liking Sonic with GREEN EYES. ARE YOU KIDDING?! What, are Classic Sonic's Black eyes helping the gameplay at all?! NO!! (Now that my daily rant is over lol)
06:26 You do realise Animal Crossing is a game 100% based on relationships with NPC's right? I would hardly call them useless - And before you bring up Mr Ressetit I have 4 words for you - SAVE YOUR FUCKING GAME.
Jawjawjaw3 Just saying - People complain about him a lot as if it takes a genius to know save before turning off your game. If you cant figure that out then frankly you deserve whatever he throws at you.
29gish R...really? I personally never forget to save, but there're times I have to deal with his shit because my dumbass friend turns off his 3DS when he's in my town and stuff. And then I need to have his huge dumb lecture.
i find timed levels/run and dont die levels fustrating, but if they have checkpoints thats fine by me. I think challenges that are ACTUALLY labeled a time challange should actually be used ex: prankster comets
Then comes Monster Hunter, every quest has a time limit but it's forgiving, they know it might take a while so they give you nearly an hour almost every time
***** Depends on the situation. Some scenarios require a time limit or they lose the atmosphere. For example, if you raid a nuclear facility and it's having a meltdown, it would kill the game if you could wander around finding collectibles for an hour. The threat of being obliterated in 30 seconds can get your heart pounding and add to the fun. On the other hand there is nothing more frustrating than restarting an encounter in a game because the time ran out as you had your foot 2 inches from the checkpoint.
+Loudwire Mr. Minion did say that he personally hated time limits without context. "...instead of PULLING IT OUT OF YOUR ASS!" Quarter Guy said it better, as he listed it as Arbitrary Time Limits in his most recent countdown.
10: This sort of varies from game to game. Some stealth missions can be really engaging, while others can be quite boring. The penalty for being caught can also vary, whether it's a minor inconvenience, or having to do the entire section all over again. 9: While I agree with this, I also feel like this only really applies online, where you compete with other players. Having weapons with varying levels of strength can be seen as a subtle form of player controlled difficulty. Obviously, having a better weapon will make things easier, but there are some people who like to challenge themselves by using the weakest weapon in the game. I'm looking at you, Kingdom Hearts tryhards. 8: This one is simply a matter of opinion, unless we're talking about the NPCs that actually do hinder the experience. Some games are kind enough to let you have a moment of catharsis by letting you kill/best the crap out of these characters. 7: I can see how air meters can work from a design perspective, but very rarely is it done well. I'm reminded of another list on this subject, done by two Canadians and a Marine, that says that air meters can either give you plenty of time to do your thing, or hardly any. 6: If it's on your team, it's annoying as hell. If it's against you, it can be one of the funniest things in the entire game, making your entire week if it's prevalent enough. I just love finding ways to abuse enemy AI to make them do the dumbest shit imaginable. This is especially true if the game has a dark atmosphere. "Death and chaos everywhere, BUT HEY LOOK AT THIS IDIOT!" 5: This is bad when it's a single, or even a handful of enemies. That's just lazy design. It's worse when a segment, or even a full level is repeated for no other reason than to fill in space. What's unforgivable is COPYING AN ENTIRE GAME WITH NO SIGNIFICANT CHANGES. That should especially be emphasized, given how over saturated the market has gotten with copy paste sequels and blatant ripoffs. 4: When you think about it, tutorials are really only bad if the game is something that's already familiar to the player. If the gameplay is unlike any other game, a tutorial is kind of necessary. Otherwise, the game should subtly teach the mechanics to the player through gameplay. It can be surprisingly difficult to learn how a game plays through text alone anyway. 3: It can be baffling how many things can cause a difficulty spike, whether it be a sudden change in gameplay, a design or programming error, or that one level/boss (thank you TV Tropes). 2: Yeah... I got nothing. 1: Time limits are another one of those things that varies in different games. Most games that I've played do a good job of this, adding a sense of urgency while keeping things fair. However, I know that every rule has an exception. There are a handful of games where the time limit is a major factor in whether or not you go out of the way to grab some collectable or notably useful item, and whether or not the trip is worth it. The absolute worst is when you need to perform inhuman tasks with pixel perfect precision just to scrape by.
I'm making a game (eventually) and there's going to be an enemy, and the dialogue will be this: Character: Oh hey, it's you Enemy: No, I'm different C: Oh, so you're just stronger now? E:No, you didn't let me do my thing! *flash* E: See? I'm purple now! C: *sighs and cringes for 2 minutes* C: *screams*
Me: Oh no, you have more HP and attack power. And your element's different, which means I need my thunder-resistant armour instead. Enemy: What? You're ALREADY resistant to thunder! Me: Yeah, but I'm on Hard mode, and I need all the help I can-HEY! You broke the fourth wall! You're not allowed to that! Enemy: I-urgh...you did that first. Me: Shut up! Enemy: B-But-! _attacks during enemy's bafflement, giving First Strike_
@SEAN DAVIDSON ok... the thing above me is old me. The characters have been revamped... simon is now maxwell and only has portals, for the gauntlet is gone. Lazarus is gone and his gimmick is given to maxwell. And Cody is named Cory instead.
12:25 Heh... I'm a Sonic fan. Even I chuckled at that. Fan character recolors suck. This is the LAST time I tolerate another red Sonic or green Amy Rose. Some stupid little nine year old will DIE tonight.
Me when they get a hated character colors right:YOU DARE BRING LIGHT TO MY LARE YOU MUST DIE Me when they the colors of somebody right:Yea don't make any unwanted characters or else you will D.I.E
time limits are a test of how efficient the player is. the more efficient, as in more skilled, you are, the faster you work. if you're too slow, you're not efficient enough and you need to get better. yeah, if you're bad and hate being challenged i can see how you would be bothered by them.
Sally Butter Pants and what if you just want to have fun and not rush through the game? sure it a challenge but seeing how much time they took to create the game they must want players to enjoy it.
Sally Butter Pants That's what Speed Running and Special Stages are for. There's no reason to randomly toss in a timer other then to add difficulty that wasn't needed. "Oh man, what an amazing world. I wanna take it in, explore, and -- Oh, Game Over?"
I disagree. For me personally when time limits are involved (unless they are VERY generous) it makes me panic and not do as well when normally I'd be pretty good at a game. It makes my adrenaline rush and not in the good way. I shake and will have to take breaks. I just don't see them as a good test of skill. Why not a harder level that can test our skills we've developed instead of an arbitrary time limit?
Vaporeon schorzman Time limits are good.......when the game is built around them (Majoras Mask and Super Time Force come to my mind at first) BUT when you are the type of character who prefers taking his time or fight in a more defensive style like me then a sudden time limit can crush you.
WreckitFinntheSonic the worst difficulty spike ive seen so far is the yellow devil/boss rush megaman powered up the yellow devil takes over 2/3 of the screen and no health between bosses
Garrett Bates OHHHHHHH NOOOOOOOOO. Pick out almost ANY Kirby game that plays normally, my friend. THE TRUE. FUCKING. ARENA. Pain-in-the-ass double-power bosses, back-to-back, with TINY fucking health ups.
Honorable mention: the "Get There Before the Other Guy Does" trope. This is a very similar rant you made about time limits, except you have the other guy to rub it in your face when you lose. More often than not, he knows the layout better than you do, is faster than you, and will sometimes take shortcuts. Nowhere is this more apparent than in the "Super Mario Galaxy" Shadow Mario Races. I hated those segments with burning passion!
You made quite a lot of interesting points I've never even given much thought to before. Kudos for addressing things that make people actually think whether or not something should be in a game regardless of how widely used it is. If developers followed guidelines like these, the common game flaws and issues we all know and hate would hopefully be skipped completely over. For the record, time limits are my most hated game cliche of all time as well.
Skyrim players: "I hate when the enemies think they can kill me when they just saw me kill something several times more powerful than them." Also Skyrim players: 16:23
I think the main offender of breathing limits is Sonic. I mean, a 2D platformer game about going fast not only slows you down, but gives you an AIR LIMIT!? Well now we all know Mario will win the Olympics! At least he can breathe underwater in SOME situations!
I agree with the tutorial thing, hell my parents need game tutorials more than me, so it’s hella annoying when some random npc waddles up to say “let me teach you about this thing you already know!”
"The Xenomorph, a terrifying space monster that makes you shit your pants four times over before brutally killing you!" "Silent, intelligent, and above all -" "Creepy" *sees **10:34* Are you sure about that, game?
Personally, I especially hate time limits in exploration-based games, especially in one-time levels with missable collectibles (Looking at you, megaman zero.) Oh, what's that? You want to collect all of the upgrades in this level? Well I hope you know where they all are, 'cause you have five minutes. I'm aware MMZ isn't exploration based, but it still gets the point across: Items you're encouraged to seek out SHOULD NOT be mixed with time limits on getting them. I see this specific incarnation of time limits, along with time limits in RPGs and tactics-based games that still count down *IN THE FIGHTS* , happen ENTIRELY TOO OFTEN for my liking. Let me explore, god damnit! Let me think! LET ME PLAY THE FUCKING GAME!
Swirl They're certainly fine in games that rely on them as a main mechanic, but anywhere else they're a nuisance, and personally I just don't like them in general.
I would rather have the time limit set off a another event then just end the current match or game. just having the timer be the killer is just annoying
And lets not forget about THOSE levels! You know, those levels where the level FORCES YOU TO MOVE! It's just SO FREAKING ANNOYING! I mean they aren't that bad, but when you get one of those moving screen levels AND they give you a time limit, now that's some bs right there dude! I mean why would you need a time limit when you are forced to move?
The Progenitor When 1 Key = 3 Ref, it was because you could use 3 Ref to GUARANTEE a hat, but it was a random one, or use a key to have a chance at a SPECIFIC hat, so it was a nice trade-off. Then Stranges, where you could use 3 Ref for a hat, or a key for a strange, so still fair trade. Then hats became more common place and people stopped using ref to make hats, so more and more got in circulation. Now you tell me what happens when there is high supply but little demand for an object.
to be honest, I have mixed feelings for time limits. if it's like doom rune challenges or similar things where it's there for the player to choose if they want to take on the extra challenge that not only presents a reward that can help them in gameplay, but also helps teach the player new ways to play and things to look out for in future situations that is similar to the challenge they completed so they can have an upper hand in the situation. or in games like assassins creed(which it would make sense to include timed missions) where the lack of time encourages those player to take advantage of their surroundings and react quickly in order to complete the mission. But in call of duty where they have such linear and one way missions/maps, I cannot stand it.
Yeah, but the way he ranted about them, he pretty much hates almost all NPCs, since virtually every NPC is either like he said, or is like one of the NPCs used in the clips. Mr. Resetti was PICTURED, but one of the things he said he hated is NPCs asking you to do things that they're too lazy to do themselves, which, at least in the older Animal Crossings, is all the NPCs do in the game. They even tell you they're not going to do it themselves when they have you to do it. Anyone who doesn't like NPCs much will find Animal Crossing single player to be terrible.
Drew Wright ... that seems like it's just a skin over the normal gameplay, the only thing I could think of would be making a song that has noticeable pauses in it.
I know I'm HELLA late on this, but, in every one of your videos, even if I don't know how much of the gameplay shown is yours and how much is from elsewhere, I LOVE all the clips you use to emphasise a point. elaborates on points really nicely
Logan, buddy, you missed a huge one: LIMITED INVENTORY SPACE. Seriously, it's horrendous! Having an ever-looming threat of running out of space in your pockets or backpack and being forced to decide which of your valuable treasures to get rid of for good is AGONIZING. It's a problem that so many games fall victim to: Blazblue: Revolution Reburning, DC Universe Online, pre-Gen-4 Pokémon, games in the Fallout/Elder Scrolls series, and so on and so forth. I don't know how you missed it, but whatever. Limited Inventory Space is something that I think should've been somewhere on the list.
I guess. Also, in Skyrim, you can modify your carry weight without console commands! Just look up the Fortify Restoration Glitch. But that still doesn't help other games, especially DC Universe Online.
I'm glad somebody actually brings up Air Meters underwater, because no one seems to ever talk about them. They rarely even enhance or benefit the gameplay.
I've been peeking in and out of this channel for about a year now. Shoulder watching content my little brother has been watching has been a bit of a hobby of mine for quite some time now, (Bet you couldn't imagine what some of the worst stuff I've seen on that little laptop of his, lol.) and it's only recently (by that I mean...um...now?) that I really decided to give your videos a serious looking at. I watched this and some Mario thing you worked on a little bit on (which I may actually comment on later. Maybe. Bit of a lazy bish these days. o3o) and I decided to create a TH-cam profile to leave this comment. Now, I've heard rumors that creepy crawlies live throughout the recesses of the comments section, but I've never been one for common sense so here goes~ I don't get you. And I don't mean in a cutesy "Oh I don't get it but whatev's!", I mean I'm genuinely baffled by some of the statements you've made here. Never really thought to much about what goes into gaming (considering I'm not that all a hardcore gamer. Even if Borderlands 2 is the bestest thing right now.), but some of your statements about these "clichés" don't make the most amount of sense. 10. You say that stealth missions tell you to shut up and watch enemies act stupid while you do the sneaky sneak. But isn't context usually a big factor? I mean, yah, games are games, but if there's a reason for why you gotta stealth then it shouldn't be that big of an issue. And even in some cases, stealth is just an option you can take for a tactic. I went and play through The Last of Us, and while it didn't force you into stealth, it was a tactic that was more efficient than just blazing right in. Plus, I don't think stealth missions would be any better if peripheral vision was something enemies in general had. You understand how much more frustrating it would be if in Assassin's Creed I was forced to retreat just cause some asswart saw you out of the corner of his eye while he picked his nose. Also, there's this thing called tension. For all your fancy pants words, I think you forgot to look that up in your notebook from five year ago. 9. Not all that big on "competitive" video games, but isn't unbalancing just something you can't control? I mean yeah, it's annoying, but it's not like it's preventable. Something's going to be an oversight, can't just expect things to work out the way you want them too. Also, bitching about tiers is a sure-fire way for me to not take your complaints about "balance" seriously, so less work for me. Thanks pal! ;D 8. Well what do you want games to do here? Have EVERY single NPC be uber original and useful? That's, like, way too much trouble for what it's worth. You talk to every person in Saints Row? No? Well then I guess it was time well wasted, huh? Also, bitching about Animal Crossing, a game about interacting with NPC's does it bad? Yiiiiiikes. 7. Say what now? Without the air mechanic in games with underwater segments, there'd literally be no tension in being in the water. (Which...yeah, what's going to kill you in the water? Finding Nemo? Yeah, no.) 6. Kay, the whole green guy thing? It's starting to get annoying at this point. Just sayin'. Also, bad A.I isn't akin to glitches? That thing that's unavoidable due to the restrictions of things? Not so sure that's a cliché as it is just a...something that isn't a cliché. (Yeah, the well ran dry for that one. Bite me.) 5. Isn't copy-pasting a good thing? I mean, more stuff right? I mean, it can be annoying when it's obvious, but good games tend to avoid this and at least change their copy-pasting up even the tiniest bit, right? Also, what, do you jack off to Mister Green Face or something? Seriously, stop shoving him in our faces! DX 4. Considering I have a little brother who sucks at video games, I think tutorials are fine. So what? It's ten minuets of dialogue telling you how to play the game? You can't spend ten minuets or something? Boo to you I say. Getting offended because the game people want to tell you how to play their game? You sure you're not just sensitive? 3. I've...never seen this problem. It doesn't sound all that bad honestly. You sure maybe you don't just suck at those moments or something? 2. Enemies that run away? That's a complaint? No, hold the chimichanga, that's a cliché? Literally, I can think of maybe one video game where enemies run away from you! And that's Pokémon! Where they've been doing that less and less! So you're complaining about enemies not sitting there and taking it? Like, wouldn't that be more interesting? Maybe you chase enemies that run? I dunno, it just sounds like you hate it because it's not instantly satisfying! Most of your complaints on this list so far have been really petty and yet you've been super riled up over them! What's your damage? 1. Yeah no. Sounds like the same as the whole "stealth" thing. Whatever. Copy-paste that here. My brother thinks your some hot shot TH-camr, but this all comes across as very whiny. I don't know how old you are or what your personal life is like, but you need to understand that there are people who don't know any better watching your stuff! Don't just yell at them with petty friggen "issues", and you sure as heck shouldn't shove stuff in their face. Like, holy crap, what is your deal with Mr. Green Freak? Get his shitty ass off screen already! It looks unappealing! For a video that's only 20 minuets long, it feels like it goes on forever! Sheesh, every sentence has like, twelve different words that can probably be changed to maybe five. Don't know whether or not I wanna stick around, but this is not good. This comes across as whining, the TH-cam Video. I'll take a look at your other stuff, but most of it is just more of this it seems. I just don't get what it is you're after here. Are you being serious in this video or is it all some joke I'm not in on? If it's a joke, it's pretty unconvincing. Whatever, peace out.
The Red-Headed Snark For a start, I'd like to point out that the "Mr. Green Freak" is the mascot of this channel. An animated persona of my own. "Shoving it in your face" is just an alternate way of emulating my expressions and reactions. A route I personally take above camera skits. It's not hard to grasp. Besides, it's not even for a majority of the video. Also, you seem to be disconnected entirely from the video. The whole point of it is venting on ideas and elements within the medium that annoys me. Whether or not you feel it's logical or unavoidable is irrelevant to how I assess these ideas. Point is: it bothers me personally...and I can clearly see I'm not the only one that has issues with them. Lastly...you're not exactly being respectful of my opinions. I don't see a quick "Eh, I disagree."...you're kinda just in the void of "hearing, but not listening". Just saying: shrugging off my points and then immediately going for a scorn afterward makes you come off as non-constructive. It's fine that you don't agree, but I don't gain much from your comment.
***** "Also, you seem to be disconnected entirely from the video."I watched the video. How invested do you want me to be? I get it. You want to post miniature tangents about things. Whatever. But your tone comes across as matter-of-fact and I can't help but feel compelled to put my two hay-pennies in. Sure, "It's your opinion", but there are clearly factors that counter the points you're trying to make. Also, wouldn't your points be a lot stronger if you were backing them up with facts? I could complain about how I don't like fighting games because they have projectiles or something, but that's not something I can defend under scrutiny. "Opinion" can't shield your statements forever, and you should probably realize this before somebody with a lot of bite decides to slam you. "Mr. Green Freak" is the mascot of this channel. An animated persona of my own. "Shoving it in your face" is just an alternate way of emulating my expressions and reactions. A route I personally take above camera skits. It's not hard to grasp. Besides, it's not even for a majority of the video."You're missing my point here. My issue with your avatar isn't that I don't like the fact that you have one, it's the fact that your avatar is pretty unappealing. The way it moves is akin to an awkward puppet, and the effect is underwhelming. I'm sure you worked hard on it, but it just doesn't add a whole lot to your video and it comes across as attention-whoring. Don't want to use camera skits? Fine. I'm sure there are people like you out there that don't use them. But my point is that this character doesn't look good. At least not enough that I enjoy it's frequent presence in the video. It may not be a majority of it, but it's there and is something I don't think was done all that well. "Lastly...you're not exactly being respectful of my opinions. I don't see a quick "Eh, I disagree."...you're kinda just in the void of "hearing, but not listening". Just saying: shrugging off my points and then immediately going for a scorn afterward makes you come off as non-constructive."Oh no, I have a bit of a snarky side. Not like it's part of my username for a reason or anything. (Ding-dong) I refer to you my last statement on opinions. It's not that I don't respect them; it's just that I question the logic surrounding them. You can have your opinions all you want, but that doesn't mean I can't question "Why?". Also, "Hearing, but not listening." sounds condescending. I apologize for not immediately identifying with every word you've said in the video, but you dismissing what I have to say and what I feel are legit criticisms by basically saying "You don't get it." is counter-intuitive to discussion. You're right. I DON'T get it. But not because I don't understand how you feel about the topic of interest. It's how you can make these kinds of statements and expect people to just sit and think it's ok to not contest them. Also, "...and I can clearly see I'm not the only one that has issues with them."You're going to claim that these are your opinions and that I shouldn't judge them because it's subjective, but you're perfectly ok with legitimizing other people's opinions just because they suit your own? I can kind of agree with you on something, but I wouldn't use it as a crutch against an opposing argument. This just screams confirmation bias, and I had hoped you were above using tactics like that. Look, I can be a nice gal. But I don't like being toyed around with and told that my points don't matter just because reasons. Want me to play the good critic? Fine. Whatever. I'll keep that in mind. But don't go acting all high and mighty just because you think you can get away with not having a discussion because your hiding behind something as trivial as an "opinion." C'mon now.
The Red-Headed Snark Sorry if the communication ties are somewhat adrift here. Seems we're both taking each others' tones the wrong way. The opinion isn't all that trivial when it's what causes the debate in the first place. I'm not saying you're wrong or I'm right. I wasn't trying to insult you. In fact, minus the jabs at me, you backed up what you said well. Just know that there are better ways to get the criticisms through to me. I realize critiquing something doesn't require politeness...but being so gets through to me far, far, better. Act on it how you please, but that is one thing I look for. Anyway, apologies if I made a stir for you. I'm weird...as you can clearly tell. Have a logic all my own, so takes a while to get accustomed. Hopefully you will, 'cause another enemy is the last thing I need. Take care.
Kinda reminds me of this thing my teacher once told me about writing. "It doesn't matter if what you say is right, if you come across as an ass, people will think you're wrong and not agree with you." Not his exact words, but he really did say that.
***** It's a trust thing. If someone was trying to do something nice to you and was insulting you all the while, would you trust him? Malicious intent can come from anything. Even a smile. Doesn't matter what you actually intended to do, if you're grinning while calling me a bitch and I don't know you, I'm not going to think very highly of you. So yeah, your teacher was a pretty chill dude. ^^
i agree with you on number 1 its proper frustrating especially when its one of the ones where you have to find a persific destination and its like the other side of the map but the timed things do work really well in races in games and some mini-games like in one of the mario party ds mini-games you have to doge a football coming right towards your character
I'm going to be gentle, yet blunt as possible; This countdown has some cringy moments. Stupid AIs aren't exactly a cliche, it's more of bad programming. The beginning animation not only was pointless, but it was way too show-offy. Also, the countdown topic wasn't exactly a good idea, not only is there barely anything new you can say, but there's also nothing new you can do without pulling something out of your ass. I'm not saying this because I hate you, and I don't. I refuse to hate you. Logan, you have a lot of potential as a countdown artist, and I understand that it can be stressful, however it doesn't feel like you're improving. Please try to understand what I'm saying. Pretty sprite work and unusual choices don't automatically make a good countdown.
Oddly, in Splatterhouse 3, the time limit is meant to give you a different ending, and the golden gun in goldeneye 64 is useful when you're facing baron samedi.
Most of the "clones" in Melee are barely clones at all. Doc/Mario and Falcon/Ganon are the only pairs that are really similar at all, and even then, they play very differently. I really don't understand how you can keep saying that Falco is a clone of Fox with a straight face. Have you ever actually compared them gameplay-wise? Yeah, a lot of their moves look similar, but they function a lot differently. Falco has good vertical movement and horizontal kill power while Fox has good horizontal movement and kills vertically. Their shines are literally exact opposites, falco's knocks you into the air, fox's knocks you to the side. Smash attacks too, Falco's forward smash is his strongest, while fox's up smash is his strongest. As nicely as I can put it, don't comment on things you know absolutely nothing about.
They share a lot of animations and have similar attack(yes I know the attacks do diffrent thing). Regardless he should have been more clear with how he adressed it in the video
+Miles DeMarco I know that they have a lot of seemingly similar moves and lot of similar hitboxes. But he was basically saying that they were the same character, which is blatantly untrue.
After so long, I came back to this vid and just noticed something wich I loved. During the tutorials section when Logan says "Could be a monkey" you hear something say mankey, this is a reference to Smosh. Its even the exact same voice as the pokedex in the video. Just a very nice touch tbh.
+Thunder Shock Spoilers! The Post Game of PMD2 Includes You and Your Partner trying to defeat Darkrai, who is trying to put everyone into and endless nightmare. If you Couldn't guess, you ally yourself with Cresselia, but here's the thing. You're level is recommended to be 55. Cresselia's level is 47. And her moves aren't even better. Psybeam, Aurora Beam. THATS IT! And you can't turn off her moves either. Also this tries to come off helpful, but she shields you. With herself taking damage, which means if she's at low health, she'll still shield you, wasting your Reveiver Seeds. Fuck.....You......Cresselia.
+Thunder Shock there's a problem there. first, revive seeds are used automatically. second, if she dies, mission failed. it's pretty much an escort mission
ghostki101 Nothing much. An experimental game that held purpose and potential that haven't been properly utilized, which is fine, but Scott doesn't take his bloody time and tends to upgrade shit that doesn't need upgrading, while leaving the actual problems as it is. It's like Call of Duty. Not exactly bad games, but definitely a bad franchise, which is worse.
10. I agree, I feel Stealth is alright if it's one option of completing an ojective, but not when its the only one. 9. Did you just reference Steve the Trooper? 8. I especially hate that guy in Ruby Saphire and Emerald who won't let you visit Wally's house and keeps insisting you check out the gym that you can't even challenge yet. I'm so glad they got rid of that in the remake. 7. Indeed those suck 6. Dumb ass AI is alright if it works in my favor, but not when the AI is on my side. Or if I need that AI alive! 5. true originality is better 4. While tutorials are nice for people who experiencing a type of game for the first time or for a game that is just introducing a new mechanic, I still wish they could be skippable. 3. I hate difficulty spikes 2. retreating enemies, the bane of my childhood 1. no...... no...... please....... ANYTHING BUT TIME LIMITS!!!
There's one thing that I will always put above time limits when it comes to my most hated cliches, as much as I will admit that it's a major problem: LIFE SYSTEMS, GAME OVERS AND CONTINUES ARE COMPLETE AND UTTER GARBAGE!! DO WE STILL LIVE IN THE DAYS OF ARCADE CABINETS!? I DON'T THINK SO!!
"Who's the developer of the games, he Sonic Fandom?"
"Oh SHIT That slipped out!"
-Fawful's Minion
"You learn by doing, not by having a lecture on it!"
Can somebody tell me why we have school again?
Because the government think children are morons and wont do stuff
Hearth Stoned
My biggest problem with school...
Homework...
Feel free to ask why.
Hearth Stoned
True words have never been spoking like this
So you can have your sanity and spirit broken. Why else?
To torture kids
"Snort your bath water"
This was made in 2015
Fawful is a time traveler confirmed
"You learn by doing, not by hearing a lecture on it."
Gonna disagree with ya there. Believe it or not, us auditory learners *do* exist. I understand how being told what to do may not be as helpful if you're more of a visual or kinesthetic learner, but that doesn't mean no one benefits from it.
***** Yeah, I have to agree. Even though I can nowadays quickly pick up on what to do and how to do it, if they didn't have the tutorials for me to read out as a kid, I probably wouldn't have gotten so far into gaming that I have and rage quit.
supersonic5432 Which is why he said put it in a separate mode so that those that would rather learn by doing instead of being told what to do and how to do it can have that pleasure.
See, the issue with that is that this solution doesn't exactly work across all genres. Like, the Mario and Luigi series, for example, or for any RPG that takes away from the conventional typical formula that's been built for so long. I believe that the fact that games work with optional tutorials within the story, giving you the option to view them if necessary without having to go so far out of your way to do so.
supersonic5432 Then how about, oh, I don't know, GIVING THEM A CHOICE TO GO THROUGH A TUTORIAL OR NOT?!
***** Good point. My solution to this is simply for any game with a tutorial(and most do this already) is:
Do you want to hear a tutorial?
Yes
No
Finally someone that hates time limits as much as I do!
you're not alone
I know right I love to take my time in a game.
Not have a timer thrown in my face in the middle something.
Like what if I need to get up for few minutes and make a sandwich or something and their is no pause button or my pause button doesn't work.
For me, It depends on what kind it is.
SMG's time limits, QTE, and forever timers( ex. Majora's Mask, Sonic, Mario) Don't scare me.
But surprise time limits, invisible time limits, etc. Is another story.
Does anyone else cringe when they see that a level has time limit?
Sly Slick my heart basically goes nuts when they happen
I HATE TIME LIMITS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ME TOO!!!!!!!!!
ALSO WHY ARE WE DOING THIS!!!!!!!!!!!????????????
Same
I'm pretty sure most people don't like Time Limits.
@Jevil The Jester Furious W4R10RD and I weren't shouting.
@Jevil The Jester "Wasn't" you mean? Weren't doesn't make sense in this sentence.
Top Ten video. How cliche.
OH SNAP
Spreading that salt on fawful
Salt salt salt
CarbinkMonoxide (360 no scopes you)
CarbinkMonoxide That picture perfectly fits that comment.
Calling something cliche
How cliche
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I have definitely thought about Time Limits before with regards to a topic like this but I found I enjoyed them when they were set up properly. Majora's Mask and Pikmin like you said but also escaping an exploding planet in Metroid or just any sort of checkpoint-style race in a game. I think as long as you know it's coming and that it makes sense within what the game expects you to do, I'm reasonably okay with them.
Great list though man!
rabbidluigi Hey, Rabbid!
rabbidluigi Hello Will
rabbidluigi It's also different when they are times you set up or test you see how fast you can go such as time attack levels like those found in the classic crash bandicoot games as well as racing game time trials. but other than that time limits do suck
rabbidluigi With me time limits are a mixed bag. Some games are good with them...others...well they can kiss your ink posted posterier.
Hello Rabbid! Good to see you! Love your vids! Bye! :D
I was honestly expecting "the chosen one" cliche
I've found myself to have a deep resentment of that one lately as well.
What, you want to play as a normal person? You aren't the chosen one just because you're the player, you're playing as that character because they're the chosen one. Why would you want to play as anyone else?
breseman I find it to play out extremely boringly. The only way to make it have a chance at working is with twists, which you could see coming from a mile away.
It's a lot more immersive if we don't go through that bs and we either go through the undertakings that is the journey of that character up to the point where he is actually qualified, because let's face it, in most RPGs you're weak as shit starting out and you're going to die if you go anywhere besides from point A to point B. It makes no logical sense that someone like that is "chosen" to undertake the Big Bad especially if there's more badass characters at the ready. It's frustrating and snooze-inducing at the same time, so I guess _that's_ an accomplishment.
Okay, I suppose games with less plots can be given a little slack, and I think the video's just about gameplay cliches...
D MAS a good explanation, but I'm with Logan on this one, the less the realism the more enjoyable. And the feeling that you're the only one who can save the world is a good feeling, after all there is a reason why it's called player 1.
That's more of a storytelling cliche.
''You are the chosen one who will change the world!'' -Every MMORPG ever
lol that's true...
1 hour later....
Me:Who's that?
Npc:the chosen one number 2718032
Me:ok
Well a game wouldn't be fun if we were just some random person on the street
+RoflWaffles12 I honestly see that as fun. I'm weird. Judge me all you want. I don't give a flip.
+RoflWaffles12 Actually I think that you COULD make it fun if you start out as that person and depending on what you are doing the NPCs or the game system slowly makes you become a hero.
You can for example give the player a title for clearing out a really dificult dungeon that renders him a hero. You could successsful PvP players have some mentioning by the NPCs. I think things like that can work really well in an MMO.
nice chuggaa reference, that made me smile
Repede Vesperia When was it?
Gaming Galaxies Steve and purple Pikmin joke during OP part of list
"I'm surrounded by idiots..." that's what I say in class!
MetaKnightlover badasshundered same
Judging by the content you regularly indulge in, you by no means appear to be
the intellectual type.
Satan's Littlehelper NO Fucking shit man
Satan's Littlehelper sometimes there’s a nerd...and man am I one of them.
Satan's Littlehelper, that is what I say about people who annoy the living SHIT outta me!
10) I actually like these, if done right they're phenomenal
9) This one sucks, progression is the spice of life
8) Hit the nail on the head
7) Never sacrifice fun for realism
6) Kat in Halo Reach driving...or an of Noble Team. Or in Skyrim, I just stopped taking npc's with my after Lydia decided to fight a dragon, a group of bandits, two giants and a herd of mammoths at the same time.
5) I love the Rainbow Road remakes :( but point made. The great maze made my head spin
4) This seems to happen more and more
3) Just cause I played the game recently, but the one mission in the mass effect 3 citadel dlc where you have limited ammo on your only gun and no armour
2) Roaming pokemon. I just don't bother anymore
1) I have so much fury
You put effort into that comment, so you get a reply.
You mean when you use Joker as bait?
DeathGodRiku Ya that one!
oilerfan871 am I the only one who actually LIKES water levels in video games?
oilerfan871 I found that section of the game to be easy enough. Biotics can come in real handy
"The Sonic fanbase" That cracked me up big time.
honestly I'm glad that was put in. Those fuckheads need to get put back in their proper places.
The fanbase is the cancerous thing iv'e ever seen
DarkSage861 they are
I'm a pretty big sonic fan and I agree to this! I've seen someone get all over my case just for liking Sonic with GREEN EYES. ARE YOU KIDDING?! What, are Classic Sonic's Black eyes helping the gameplay at all?! NO!!
(Now that my daily rant is over lol)
Smileyface81 MC I'm a big Sonic fan as well but every time I see some shit from the fanbase a part of me dies
"Steve's gonna have to stay home"
Steve will still try to carry that blow hog all by himself.
06:26
You do realise Animal Crossing is a game 100% based on relationships with NPC's right? I would hardly call them useless - And before you bring up Mr Ressetit I have 4 words for you - SAVE YOUR FUCKING GAME.
29gish Was mainly referring to resetti.
*****
Just save your game to avoid him - It doesn't that too much brain power.
29gish ...and? He can still be rather annoying. Not too big of a deal, but I don't blame his dislike.
Jawjawjaw3
Just saying - People complain about him a lot as if it takes a genius to know save before turning off your game. If you cant figure that out then frankly you deserve whatever he throws at you.
29gish R...really? I personally never forget to save, but there're times I have to deal with his shit because my dumbass friend turns off his 3DS when he's in my town and stuff. And then I need to have his huge dumb lecture.
I kept trying to figure out what the entry actually was in the preview. Well made list and hearing Bomberman music makes me happy.
It was number 10
+cjszero01 Cj's here? Wow
GOOD EXAMPLES OF TUTORIALS:
Team Fortress 2.
You don't have to do it to play the game.
That’s the only good part of it tho
@@emirturkmen4524
Your free trial of life has expired
It's funny how a list about cliches has literally become cliche.
Nah not yet. If Pewdiepie does one, THEN it ciche
*It's
You know what a cliche is? FNaF.
😷 DON'T INFECT ME WITH YOUR CLICHE DISEASE!!!! (Please).
TG Top 10 lists THEMSELVES are cliche
I completely agree with the number 1 spot. Time limits can go to hell.
Time limits were done well in metroid, majora's mask, and racing games
Self destruct in 5 minutes
...and done terribly in every other game
*3
i find timed levels/run and dont die levels fustrating, but if they have checkpoints thats fine by me. I think challenges that are ACTUALLY labeled a time challange should actually be used ex: prankster comets
Then comes Monster Hunter, every quest has a time limit but it's forgiving, they know it might take a while so they give you nearly an hour almost every time
#1. Glad to see I'm not the only guy who despises these!
***** Forgot about that.
***** Great!
***** Ok.
***** Depends on the situation. Some scenarios require a time limit or they lose the atmosphere. For example, if you raid a nuclear facility and it's having a meltdown, it would kill the game if you could wander around finding collectibles for an hour. The threat of being obliterated in 30 seconds can get your heart pounding and add to the fun.
On the other hand there is nothing more frustrating than restarting an encounter in a game because the time ran out as you had your foot 2 inches from the checkpoint.
+Loudwire Mr. Minion did say that he personally hated time limits without context. "...instead of PULLING IT OUT OF YOUR ASS!" Quarter Guy said it better, as he listed it as Arbitrary Time Limits in his most recent countdown.
10: This sort of varies from game to game. Some stealth missions can be really engaging, while others can be quite boring. The penalty for being caught can also vary, whether it's a minor inconvenience, or having to do the entire section all over again.
9: While I agree with this, I also feel like this only really applies online, where you compete with other players. Having weapons with varying levels of strength can be seen as a subtle form of player controlled difficulty. Obviously, having a better weapon will make things easier, but there are some people who like to challenge themselves by using the weakest weapon in the game. I'm looking at you, Kingdom Hearts tryhards.
8: This one is simply a matter of opinion, unless we're talking about the NPCs that actually do hinder the experience. Some games are kind enough to let you have a moment of catharsis by letting you kill/best the crap out of these characters.
7: I can see how air meters can work from a design perspective, but very rarely is it done well. I'm reminded of another list on this subject, done by two Canadians and a Marine, that says that air meters can either give you plenty of time to do your thing, or hardly any.
6: If it's on your team, it's annoying as hell. If it's against you, it can be one of the funniest things in the entire game, making your entire week if it's prevalent enough. I just love finding ways to abuse enemy AI to make them do the dumbest shit imaginable. This is especially true if the game has a dark atmosphere. "Death and chaos everywhere, BUT HEY LOOK AT THIS IDIOT!"
5: This is bad when it's a single, or even a handful of enemies. That's just lazy design. It's worse when a segment, or even a full level is repeated for no other reason than to fill in space. What's unforgivable is COPYING AN ENTIRE GAME WITH NO SIGNIFICANT CHANGES. That should especially be emphasized, given how over saturated the market has gotten with copy paste sequels and blatant ripoffs.
4: When you think about it, tutorials are really only bad if the game is something that's already familiar to the player. If the gameplay is unlike any other game, a tutorial is kind of necessary. Otherwise, the game should subtly teach the mechanics to the player through gameplay. It can be surprisingly difficult to learn how a game plays through text alone anyway.
3: It can be baffling how many things can cause a difficulty spike, whether it be a sudden change in gameplay, a design or programming error, or that one level/boss (thank you TV Tropes).
2: Yeah... I got nothing.
1: Time limits are another one of those things that varies in different games. Most games that I've played do a good job of this, adding a sense of urgency while keeping things fair. However, I know that every rule has an exception. There are a handful of games where the time limit is a major factor in whether or not you go out of the way to grab some collectable or notably useful item, and whether or not the trip is worth it. The absolute worst is when you need to perform inhuman tasks with pixel perfect precision just to scrape by.
I'm making a game (eventually) and there's going to be an enemy, and the dialogue will be this:
Character: Oh hey, it's you
Enemy: No, I'm different
C: Oh, so you're just stronger now?
E:No, you didn't let me do my thing!
*flash*
E: See? I'm purple now!
C: *sighs and cringes for 2 minutes*
C: *screams*
Me: Oh no, you have more HP and attack power. And your element's different, which means I need my thunder-resistant armour instead.
Enemy: What? You're ALREADY resistant to thunder!
Me: Yeah, but I'm on Hard mode, and I need all the help I can-HEY! You broke the fourth wall! You're not allowed to that!
Enemy: I-urgh...you did that first.
Me: Shut up!
Enemy: B-But-!
_attacks during enemy's bafflement, giving First Strike_
Made it yet?
@SEAN DAVIDSON ok... the thing above me is old me. The characters have been revamped... simon is now maxwell and only has portals, for the gauntlet is gone. Lazarus is gone and his gimmick is given to maxwell. And Cody is named Cory instead.
"HURRY UP!" - The entire Fawful's Minion fan base on the subject of Top 30 Copy Abilities.
12:25
Heh... I'm a Sonic fan. Even I chuckled at that. Fan character recolors suck. This is the LAST time I tolerate another red Sonic or green Amy Rose. Some stupid little nine year old will DIE tonight.
Smileyface81 MC I completely agree
Smileyface81 MC just like, you could at least add a mask or something
Remember when the Spyro games had a character who was just a red recolor of Spyro?
They aren't Fan Characters they're just a damn recolor lol
Me when they get a hated character colors right:YOU DARE BRING LIGHT TO MY LARE
YOU MUST DIE
Me when they the colors of somebody right:Yea don't make any unwanted characters or else you will D.I.E
Looks like I'm not the only one who hates time limits.
+Stealth missions
time limits are a test of how efficient the player is. the more efficient, as in more skilled, you are, the faster you work. if you're too slow, you're not efficient enough and you need to get better. yeah, if you're bad and hate being challenged i can see how you would be bothered by them.
Sally Butter Pants and what if you just want to have fun and not rush through the game? sure it a challenge but seeing how much time they took to create the game they must want players to enjoy it.
Sally Butter Pants That's what Speed Running and Special Stages are for. There's no reason to randomly toss in a timer other then to add difficulty that wasn't needed.
"Oh man, what an amazing world. I wanna take it in, explore, and -- Oh, Game Over?"
I disagree. For me personally when time limits are involved (unless they are VERY generous) it makes me panic and not do as well when normally I'd be pretty good at a game. It makes my adrenaline rush and not in the good way. I shake and will have to take breaks. I just don't see them as a good test of skill. Why not a harder level that can test our skills we've developed instead of an arbitrary time limit?
***** yeah, but sometimes the game ITSELF has sections where you need to go fast.
So, Sally, what your saying is git gud?
I AGREE with nearly EVERYTHING on this LIST!!! Especially air meters, difficulty spikes, and TIME LIMITS!!!! FUCK ALL OF THESE CLICHES!!!!
WreckitFinntheSonic time limits are like tests. they test you'r skill at th game, and make you go through the level with grace.
Vaporeon schorzman his real issue is the ones poorly excuted...he respected the time limit setup of MM, Warioland 4 and pikmin
Vaporeon schorzman Time limits are good.......when the game is built around them (Majoras Mask and Super Time Force come to my mind at first) BUT when you are the type of character who prefers taking his time or fight in a more defensive style like me then a sudden time limit can crush you.
WreckitFinntheSonic the worst difficulty spike ive seen so far is the yellow devil/boss rush megaman powered up the yellow devil takes over 2/3 of the screen and no health between bosses
Garrett Bates OHHHHHHH NOOOOOOOOO. Pick out almost ANY Kirby game that plays normally, my friend. THE TRUE. FUCKING. ARENA. Pain-in-the-ass double-power bosses, back-to-back, with TINY fucking health ups.
Honorable mention: the "Get There Before the Other Guy Does" trope. This is a very similar rant you made about time limits, except you have the other guy to rub it in your face when you lose. More often than not, he knows the layout better than you do, is faster than you, and will sometimes take shortcuts. Nowhere is this more apparent than in the "Super Mario Galaxy" Shadow Mario Races. I hated those segments with burning passion!
Biggest dificulty spike ever? Tournabout Sisters.
Benjamim Carvalho Blinky from Pac Man World 2 for me.
Benjamim Carvalho Wizpig 1 Diddy Kong Racing 64
Benjamim Carvalho Final Fantasy Tactics, Weigraf that fucker is liteartely impossible if you didn't prepare... Sigh.
***** The train sequence from b.i.w ........................I was using a 3ds mic.
Benjamim Carvalho And that was a shitty case as well D:
You made quite a lot of interesting points I've never even given much thought to before. Kudos for addressing things that make people actually think whether or not something should be in a game regardless of how widely used it is. If developers followed guidelines like these, the common game flaws and issues we all know and hate would hopefully be skipped completely over.
For the record, time limits are my most hated game cliche of all time as well.
Difficulty spikes on the list, and Clyde's theme from PMW2 is as well.
Match made in Hell.
Sorry chuggaaconroy , not even Fawful's Minion will let you escape Steve the Red Pikmin. HE SHALL HAUNT YOU FOREVER
DUN DUN DUUUUUUUUUUUUUU7UUUUUUUUUUUUUNNN
(Me when faced with a stealth mission)
NOOOOOOOO!
Oops, sorry.
(Whispering) noooooooooooo!
Most of these wouldn't classify as "cliches" but rather as laziness, wasted potential, or bad programming.
Some like it soft:
Most like it hard:
All like it tasty.
*hears music at 16:21 *
oh god no please no
Skyrim players: "I hate when the enemies think they can kill me when they just saw me kill something several times more powerful than them."
Also Skyrim players: 16:23
I think the main offender of breathing limits is Sonic. I mean, a 2D platformer game about going fast not only slows you down, but gives you an AIR LIMIT!? Well now we all know Mario will win the Olympics! At least he can breathe underwater in SOME situations!
Only 90s Touhou fans remember this…
HARRY UP
4:08
Fawful’s minion referencing Chuggaaconroy....
My life is now complete
YES! I'm not the only one who hates time limits with a passion! Thank you for bringing attention to that bullshit! Awesome video by the way!
Same
They are the worst thing about the Mario franchise!
Same i dispise it in some games and hard levels
see my reply to RabbidLuigi’s comment for my opinion
Time limits are crap.
"donkey dick just randomly dueled me for 2! coins"
i can't stop laughing xD
I agree with the tutorial thing, hell my parents need game tutorials more than me, so it’s hella annoying when some random npc waddles up to say “let me teach you about this thing you already know!”
0:57 "Or something that was meant to work on paper"
(Shows clip from Paper Mario TTYD)
Perfect XD
*watch the video
*I see the usual cliches
*forgets about time limits
*gets to number 1
*Triggered*
"The Xenomorph, a terrifying space monster that makes you shit your pants four times over before brutally killing you!"
"Silent, intelligent, and above all -"
"Creepy"
*sees **10:34*
Are you sure about that, game?
Personally, I especially hate time limits in exploration-based games, especially in one-time levels with missable collectibles (Looking at you, megaman zero.) Oh, what's that? You want to collect all of the upgrades in this level? Well I hope you know where they all are, 'cause you have five minutes. I'm aware MMZ isn't exploration based, but it still gets the point across: Items you're encouraged to seek out SHOULD NOT be mixed with time limits on getting them. I see this specific incarnation of time limits, along with time limits in RPGs and tactics-based games that still count down *IN THE FIGHTS* , happen ENTIRELY TOO OFTEN for my liking. Let me explore, god damnit! Let me think! LET ME PLAY THE FUCKING GAME!
Okay, those time limits are bad. But when the game doesn't ask you to explore, time limits are a joy.
Swirl They're certainly fine in games that rely on them as a main mechanic, but anywhere else they're a nuisance, and personally I just don't like them in general.
I would rather have the time limit set off a another event then just end the current match or game. just having the timer be the killer is just annoying
"Could be a Canadian."
"COULD BE A CANADIAN."
Ooh, oh oh oh NO you didn't just! You did not just!
Zum1UDontNo Baffles me how anybody could take that seriously.
***** Oh.
Erm… Well.
That was awkward.
Pffffahahahaha!!! I'm sorry that's just too funny
***** Pfftblbl.
***** as a canadian: this^
Me when I see a time limit is in a game: **gets a refund**
And lets not forget about THOSE levels! You know, those levels where the level FORCES YOU TO MOVE! It's just SO FREAKING ANNOYING! I mean they aren't that bad, but when you get one of those moving screen levels AND they give you a time limit, now that's some bs right there dude! I mean why would you need a time limit when you are forced to move?
Wolfy Plays Ahhh. Auto-Scroll. It sucks.
Side-scrollers
XD Nice Chuggaaconroy reference with Steve.
Im glad im not the only one who gets it
It Hurts To Live I got it too.
"Could be a CANADIAN..."
Laughed my ass off.
I think it's a sin if a game has unskippable tutorials or just one save file.
THE GREAT MAXIE
*Cough cough* Fighting over who gets to play Pokemon as a kid...
Once again, PC master race
Ive already compiled 5 different Undertale runs in one zip
CURSE YOU MEGA-RAYQUAZA!
I find it funny how every Mario level has a time limit, but the fastest thing alive gives you unlimited time.
4:08 time to scour the comments section for him.
Are Keys really 19 ref?
3 Years ago they were 3.66. The fuck happened to the economy?
The Progenitor It went F2P, do you know how many players were in TF2 back then? Compare that with how many there are now.
Tf2 went F2P 5 years ago so that has nothing to do with it....
The Progenitor
But the amount of players and thus stuff in the economy still vastly increased.
I'll sell u guys my gibus for 69 maxes heads :D
The Progenitor When 1 Key = 3 Ref, it was because you could use 3 Ref to GUARANTEE a hat, but it was a random one, or use a key to have a chance at a SPECIFIC hat, so it was a nice trade-off.
Then Stranges, where you could use 3 Ref for a hat, or a key for a strange, so still fair trade.
Then hats became more common place and people stopped using ref to make hats, so more and more got in circulation. Now you tell me what happens when there is high supply but little demand for an object.
to be honest, I have mixed feelings for time limits. if it's like doom rune challenges or similar things where it's there for the player to choose if they want to take on the extra challenge that not only presents a reward that can help them in gameplay, but also helps teach the player new ways to play and things to look out for in future situations that is similar to the challenge they completed so they can have an upper hand in the situation. or in games like assassins creed(which it would make sense to include timed missions) where the lack of time encourages those player to take advantage of their surroundings and react quickly in order to complete the mission. But in call of duty where they have such linear and one way missions/maps, I cannot stand it.
How can you play something like Animal Crossing if you don't like NPCs?
He said worthless NPC's like Mr. Ressetti (i hope i spelled it right)
Yeah, but the way he ranted about them, he pretty much hates almost all NPCs, since virtually every NPC is either like he said, or is like one of the NPCs used in the clips. Mr. Resetti was PICTURED, but one of the things he said he hated is NPCs asking you to do things that they're too lazy to do themselves, which, at least in the older Animal Crossings, is all the NPCs do in the game. They even tell you they're not going to do it themselves when they have you to do it.
Anyone who doesn't like NPCs much will find Animal Crossing single player to be terrible.
6:15 HOOT! HOOT!
Difficulty spikes? F*CKEN DEATHSTROKE
Oh Logan, how I missed you.
Rhythm Thief had the best stealth missions
I agree
MarioSonic64 how exactly would a rhythm game's stealth segment.
dusknoir64 tap the touch screen in time to hide behind statues
Drew Wright ... that seems like it's just a skin over the normal gameplay, the only thing I could think of would be making a song that has noticeable pauses in it.
dusknoir64 It's very easy to fail with bad timing, though.
I know I'm HELLA late on this, but, in every one of your videos, even if I don't know how much of the gameplay shown is yours and how much is from elsewhere, I LOVE all the clips you use to emphasise a point. elaborates on points really nicely
Nintendo has copy pasted too many things in the past 3-6 years...
No, they haven't....
yeah they did ? mario ? 2d platforming from point a to b in the 3ds ?
benito franco oh really? What was your first clue?
The past 3-6 years?
Uh...
Gowford
Platforming Mario games aren't copy pasted. It's a genre, it's own series, how it all started.
4:09
*OH MY GOD!!*
*FAWFUL'S MINION JUST REFERENCED **_CHUGGAACONROY!!!_*
You want a game series known for unfair difficulty spikes I've got 3 letters for SMT.
time limits are a dick move for the game development industry's part
Logan, buddy, you missed a huge one: LIMITED INVENTORY SPACE. Seriously, it's horrendous! Having an ever-looming threat of running out of space in your pockets or backpack and being forced to decide which of your valuable treasures to get rid of for good is AGONIZING. It's a problem that so many games fall victim to: Blazblue: Revolution Reburning, DC Universe Online, pre-Gen-4 Pokémon, games in the Fallout/Elder Scrolls series, and so on and so forth. I don't know how you missed it, but whatever. Limited Inventory Space is something that I think should've been somewhere on the list.
Luckily that problem can go away in Bethesda games with console commands. player.modav setcarryweight 999999
I guess. Also, in Skyrim, you can modify your carry weight without console commands! Just look up the Fortify Restoration Glitch. But that still doesn't help other games, especially DC Universe Online.
Imagine not knowing what items are worth keeping
Peasant
@@uwnbaw
I'm not a peasant, I'm a hoarder. There's a huge difference.
I'm glad somebody actually brings up Air Meters underwater, because no one seems to ever talk about them. They rarely even enhance or benefit the gameplay.
Yeah and It adds needless stress
You: Tome Limits
Me: YEEEES *double fist pump in agreement*
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I've been peeking in and out of this channel for about a year now. Shoulder watching content my little brother has been watching has been a bit of a hobby of mine for quite some time now, (Bet you couldn't imagine what some of the worst stuff I've seen on that little laptop of his, lol.) and it's only recently (by that I mean...um...now?) that I really decided to give your videos a serious looking at. I watched this and some Mario thing you worked on a little bit on (which I may actually comment on later. Maybe. Bit of a lazy bish these days. o3o) and I decided to create a TH-cam profile to leave this comment.
Now, I've heard rumors that creepy crawlies live throughout the recesses of the comments section, but I've never been one for common sense so here goes~
I don't get you. And I don't mean in a cutesy "Oh I don't get it but whatev's!", I mean I'm genuinely baffled by some of the statements you've made here. Never really thought to much about what goes into gaming (considering I'm not that all a hardcore gamer. Even if Borderlands 2 is the bestest thing right now.), but some of your statements about these "clichés" don't make the most amount of sense.
10. You say that stealth missions tell you to shut up and watch enemies act stupid while you do the sneaky sneak. But isn't context usually a big factor? I mean, yah, games are games, but if there's a reason for why you gotta stealth then it shouldn't be that big of an issue. And even in some cases, stealth is just an option you can take for a tactic. I went and play through The Last of Us, and while it didn't force you into stealth, it was a tactic that was more efficient than just blazing right in. Plus, I don't think stealth missions would be any better if peripheral vision was something enemies in general had. You understand how much more frustrating it would be if in Assassin's Creed I was forced to retreat just cause some asswart saw you out of the corner of his eye while he picked his nose. Also, there's this thing called tension. For all your fancy pants words, I think you forgot to look that up in your notebook from five year ago.
9. Not all that big on "competitive" video games, but isn't unbalancing just something you can't control? I mean yeah, it's annoying, but it's not like it's preventable. Something's going to be an oversight, can't just expect things to work out the way you want them too. Also, bitching about tiers is a sure-fire way for me to not take your complaints about "balance" seriously, so less work for me. Thanks pal! ;D
8. Well what do you want games to do here? Have EVERY single NPC be uber original and useful? That's, like, way too much trouble for what it's worth. You talk to every person in Saints Row? No? Well then I guess it was time well wasted, huh? Also, bitching about Animal Crossing, a game about interacting with NPC's does it bad? Yiiiiiikes.
7. Say what now? Without the air mechanic in games with underwater segments, there'd literally be no tension in being in the water. (Which...yeah, what's going to kill you in the water? Finding Nemo? Yeah, no.)
6. Kay, the whole green guy thing? It's starting to get annoying at this point. Just sayin'. Also, bad A.I isn't akin to glitches? That thing that's unavoidable due to the restrictions of things? Not so sure that's a cliché as it is just a...something that isn't a cliché. (Yeah, the well ran dry for that one. Bite me.)
5. Isn't copy-pasting a good thing? I mean, more stuff right? I mean, it can be annoying when it's obvious, but good games tend to avoid this and at least change their copy-pasting up even the tiniest bit, right? Also, what, do you jack off to Mister Green Face or something? Seriously, stop shoving him in our faces! DX
4. Considering I have a little brother who sucks at video games, I think tutorials are fine. So what? It's ten minuets of dialogue telling you how to play the game? You can't spend ten minuets or something? Boo to you I say. Getting offended because the game people want to tell you how to play their game? You sure you're not just sensitive?
3. I've...never seen this problem. It doesn't sound all that bad honestly. You sure maybe you don't just suck at those moments or something?
2. Enemies that run away? That's a complaint? No, hold the chimichanga, that's a cliché? Literally, I can think of maybe one video game where enemies run away from you! And that's Pokémon! Where they've been doing that less and less! So you're complaining about enemies not sitting there and taking it? Like, wouldn't that be more interesting? Maybe you chase enemies that run? I dunno, it just sounds like you hate it because it's not instantly satisfying! Most of your complaints on this list so far have been really petty and yet you've been super riled up over them! What's your damage?
1. Yeah no. Sounds like the same as the whole "stealth" thing. Whatever. Copy-paste that here.
My brother thinks your some hot shot TH-camr, but this all comes across as very whiny. I don't know how old you are or what your personal life is like, but you need to understand that there are people who don't know any better watching your stuff! Don't just yell at them with petty friggen "issues", and you sure as heck shouldn't shove stuff in their face. Like, holy crap, what is your deal with Mr. Green Freak? Get his shitty ass off screen already! It looks unappealing! For a video that's only 20 minuets long, it feels like it goes on forever! Sheesh, every sentence has like, twelve different words that can probably be changed to maybe five.
Don't know whether or not I wanna stick around, but this is not good. This comes across as whining, the TH-cam Video. I'll take a look at your other stuff, but most of it is just more of this it seems. I just don't get what it is you're after here. Are you being serious in this video or is it all some joke I'm not in on? If it's a joke, it's pretty unconvincing.
Whatever, peace out.
The Red-Headed Snark For a start, I'd like to point out that the "Mr. Green Freak" is the mascot of this channel. An animated persona of my own. "Shoving it in your face" is just an alternate way of emulating my expressions and reactions. A route I personally take above camera skits. It's not hard to grasp. Besides, it's not even for a majority of the video.
Also, you seem to be disconnected entirely from the video. The whole point of it is venting on ideas and elements within the medium that annoys me. Whether or not you feel it's logical or unavoidable is irrelevant to how I assess these ideas. Point is: it bothers me personally...and I can clearly see I'm not the only one that has issues with them.
Lastly...you're not exactly being respectful of my opinions. I don't see a quick "Eh, I disagree."...you're kinda just in the void of "hearing, but not listening". Just saying: shrugging off my points and then immediately going for a scorn afterward makes you come off as non-constructive.
It's fine that you don't agree, but I don't gain much from your comment.
*****
"Also, you seem to be disconnected entirely from the video."I watched the video. How invested do you want me to be? I get it. You want to post miniature tangents about things. Whatever. But your tone comes across as matter-of-fact and I can't help but feel compelled to put my two hay-pennies in. Sure, "It's your opinion", but there are clearly factors that counter the points you're trying to make. Also, wouldn't your points be a lot stronger if you were backing them up with facts? I could complain about how I don't like fighting games because they have projectiles or something, but that's not something I can defend under scrutiny. "Opinion" can't shield your statements forever, and you should probably realize this before somebody with a lot of bite decides to slam you.
"Mr. Green Freak" is the mascot of this channel. An animated persona of my own. "Shoving it in your face" is just an alternate way of emulating my expressions and reactions. A route I personally take above camera skits. It's not hard to grasp. Besides, it's not even for a majority of the video."You're missing my point here. My issue with your avatar isn't that I don't like the fact that you have one, it's the fact that your avatar is pretty unappealing. The way it moves is akin to an awkward puppet, and the effect is underwhelming. I'm sure you worked hard on it, but it just doesn't add a whole lot to your video and it comes across as attention-whoring. Don't want to use camera skits? Fine. I'm sure there are people like you out there that don't use them. But my point is that this character doesn't look good. At least not enough that I enjoy it's frequent presence in the video. It may not be a majority of it, but it's there and is something I don't think was done all that well.
"Lastly...you're not exactly being respectful of my opinions. I don't see a quick "Eh, I disagree."...you're kinda just in the void of "hearing, but not listening". Just saying: shrugging off my points and then immediately going for a scorn afterward makes you come off as non-constructive."Oh no, I have a bit of a snarky side. Not like it's part of my username for a reason or anything. (Ding-dong) I refer to you my last statement on opinions. It's not that I don't respect them; it's just that I question the logic surrounding them. You can have your opinions all you want, but that doesn't mean I can't question "Why?". Also, "Hearing, but not listening." sounds condescending. I apologize for not immediately identifying with every word you've said in the video, but you dismissing what I have to say and what I feel are legit criticisms by basically saying "You don't get it." is counter-intuitive to discussion. You're right. I DON'T get it. But not because I don't understand how you feel about the topic of interest. It's how you can make these kinds of statements and expect people to just sit and think it's ok to not contest them. Also,
"...and I can clearly see I'm not the only one that has issues with them."You're going to claim that these are your opinions and that I shouldn't judge them because it's subjective, but you're perfectly ok with legitimizing other people's opinions just because they suit your own? I can kind of agree with you on something, but I wouldn't use it as a crutch against an opposing argument. This just screams confirmation bias, and I had hoped you were above using tactics like that.
Look, I can be a nice gal. But I don't like being toyed around with and told that my points don't matter just because reasons. Want me to play the good critic? Fine. Whatever. I'll keep that in mind. But don't go acting all high and mighty just because you think you can get away with not having a discussion because your hiding behind something as trivial as an "opinion." C'mon now.
The Red-Headed Snark Sorry if the communication ties are somewhat adrift here. Seems we're both taking each others' tones the wrong way.
The opinion isn't all that trivial when it's what causes the debate in the first place. I'm not saying you're wrong or I'm right. I wasn't trying to insult you. In fact, minus the jabs at me, you backed up what you said well. Just know that there are better ways to get the criticisms through to me. I realize critiquing something doesn't require politeness...but being so gets through to me far, far, better. Act on it how you please, but that is one thing I look for.
Anyway, apologies if I made a stir for you. I'm weird...as you can clearly tell. Have a logic all my own, so takes a while to get accustomed. Hopefully you will, 'cause another enemy is the last thing I need. Take care.
Kinda reminds me of this thing my teacher once told me about writing.
"It doesn't matter if what you say is right, if you come across as an ass, people will think you're wrong and not agree with you."
Not his exact words, but he really did say that.
***** It's a trust thing. If someone was trying to do something nice to you and was insulting you all the while, would you trust him?
Malicious intent can come from anything. Even a smile. Doesn't matter what you actually intended to do, if you're grinning while calling me a bitch and I don't know you, I'm not going to think very highly of you.
So yeah, your teacher was a pretty chill dude. ^^
My least favorite example of copy pasting was the 3 back to back fire fighting starters from Pokèmon.
10:33 I laughed so hard I cried the first time I saw that
I can't stop loughing
OH My Arceus you mentioned steve thank you (but i don't think that many people got the reference )
I did..
CHUGGAA I LOVE YOU
+You should Fuck a horse He's a trooper. Long live Steve and his fire breathing pig.
4:09 Did, did he just reference Chuggaaconroy?
So does this mean Logan/Fawful hates side scrollers? Because side scrollers baisicly limit you on how long you can stay someplace, aka a time limit.
icedlemongamer Doubt it. In his genre elitist lists, he put 2-D platformers as his 2nd favorite gaming genre.
+Shade2800 You're subbed to Fawful's Minion?
nintendomaster64 Just a thought, but good explination (same thing goes for Shade2800)
nintendomaster64 Had no trouble with the Xehanort time limit at all...., but that may be just me. Now Demyx ...ugh...........just.... no.
Scientea we do not speak of that fight
5:04 - 5:08
Best Four seconds of the video. XD
I love stealth missions. I know I’m in the minority but I feel like a badass ninja when I choose stealth.
Steve does exist!!! Chuggaaconroy says so!!!
Steve the Pokephile in Emerald or Steve from Pikman?
Am I the only one who enjoyed the video?
i agree with you on number 1 its proper frustrating especially when its one of the ones where you have to find a persific destination and its like the other side of the map but the timed things do work really well in races in games and some mini-games like in one of the mario party ds mini-games you have to doge a football coming right towards your character
Me and retreating enemies go about as well together as m.night shamelan and the avatar series
Trent Ryan ?
Ian Nations M. Night Shamalan made a movie based on Avatar: The Last Airbender and from what I've heard it was absolutely terrible.
I'm going to be gentle, yet blunt as possible; This countdown has some cringy moments. Stupid AIs aren't exactly a cliche, it's more of bad programming. The beginning animation not only was pointless, but it was way too show-offy. Also, the countdown topic wasn't exactly a good idea, not only is there barely anything new you can say, but there's also nothing new you can do without pulling something out of your ass. I'm not saying this because I hate you, and I don't. I refuse to hate you. Logan, you have a lot of potential as a countdown artist, and I understand that it can be stressful, however it doesn't feel like you're improving. Please try to understand what I'm saying. Pretty sprite work and unusual choices don't automatically make a good countdown.
Oddly, in Splatterhouse 3, the time limit is meant to give you a different ending, and the golden gun in goldeneye 64 is useful when you're facing baron samedi.
At least they don't have roaming Pokemon in the last few gens
Roxas Deviluke OH THANK FUCK THERES NO MORE ROAMING LEGENDS
I'm A Fanfiction Writer,and I Don't Copy-Paste
AND DON'T SAY "BUT YOU HAVE BAD GRAMMAR" OR BE A SMART@$$ ABOUT IT,IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL ON TH-cam COMMENTS
I don't remember making this comment
Fawful's Minion has the best writing style I have ever listened to and I love it.
who else thinks Fawfuls Minion is the fucking best chanel on youtube like this coment. or don't. whatever.
Most of the "clones" in Melee are barely clones at all. Doc/Mario and Falcon/Ganon are the only pairs that are really similar at all, and even then, they play very differently. I really don't understand how you can keep saying that Falco is a clone of Fox with a straight face. Have you ever actually compared them gameplay-wise? Yeah, a lot of their moves look similar, but they function a lot differently. Falco has good vertical movement and horizontal kill power while Fox has good horizontal movement and kills vertically. Their shines are literally exact opposites, falco's knocks you into the air, fox's knocks you to the side. Smash attacks too, Falco's forward smash is his strongest, while fox's up smash is his strongest. As nicely as I can put it, don't comment on things you know absolutely nothing about.
+Lazula
At its base Falco is a clone... does he play diffrent, yes. Is he still a clone character? Yes.
They share a lot of animations and have similar attack(yes I know the attacks do diffrent thing). Regardless he should have been more clear with how he adressed it in the video
+Miles DeMarco I know that they have a lot of seemingly similar moves and lot of similar hitboxes. But he was basically saying that they were the same character, which is blatantly untrue.
I agree there they are not at all the same character, glad to see you can actually have a resonal conversation. Ps are you a falco main?
Miles DeMarco Fox, but i do have a decent falco secondary, and Mario as a pet low tier. Really annoys me when people say they're the same lol
After so long, I came back to this vid and just noticed something wich I loved. During the tutorials section when Logan says "Could be a monkey" you hear something say mankey, this is a reference to Smosh. Its even the exact same voice as the pokedex in the video. Just a very nice touch tbh.
#7 Dumbass AI. *Looks at Cresselia from PMD2*
+James Evans never played that game, what did cresselia
+Thunder Shock Spoilers! The Post Game of PMD2 Includes You and Your Partner trying to defeat Darkrai, who is trying to put everyone into and endless nightmare. If you Couldn't guess, you ally yourself with Cresselia, but here's the thing. You're level is recommended to be 55.
Cresselia's level is 47. And her moves aren't even better. Psybeam, Aurora Beam. THATS IT! And you can't turn off her moves either. Also this tries to come off helpful, but she shields you.
With herself taking damage, which means if she's at low health, she'll still shield you, wasting your Reveiver Seeds. Fuck.....You......Cresselia.
James Evans if she's useless then let her stay dead
+Thunder Shock there's a problem there. first, revive seeds are used automatically. second, if she dies, mission failed. it's pretty much an escort mission
329link wow, that's dumbass AI, an escort mission, and useless npc all wrapped together
I know it's popular, but can you stop with five nights at Freddy's things it's annoying and creepy. Good job, though :).
It's also a cliché.
I don't share my opinion on that game, I loved it until it became so controversial... but I may love it still, I have no idea(r)
ghostki101 Nothing much. An experimental game that held purpose and potential that haven't been properly utilized, which is fine, but Scott doesn't take his bloody time and tends to upgrade shit that doesn't need upgrading, while leaving the actual problems as it is.
It's like Call of Duty. Not exactly bad games, but definitely a bad franchise, which is worse.
Ah the cliche video I still remember the day I got back from summer camp I saw this and was thinking "this should be good"
I was wrong this is great
10. I agree, I feel Stealth is alright if it's one option of completing an ojective, but not when its the only one.
9. Did you just reference Steve the Trooper?
8. I especially hate that guy in Ruby Saphire and Emerald who won't let you visit Wally's house and keeps insisting you check out the gym that you can't even challenge yet. I'm so glad they got rid of that in the remake.
7. Indeed those suck
6. Dumb ass AI is alright if it works in my favor, but not when the AI is on my side. Or if I need that AI alive!
5. true originality is better
4. While tutorials are nice for people who experiencing a type of game for the first time or for a game that is just introducing a new mechanic, I still wish they could be skippable.
3. I hate difficulty spikes
2. retreating enemies, the bane of my childhood
1. no...... no...... please....... ANYTHING BUT TIME LIMITS!!!
There's one thing that I will always put above time limits when it comes to my most hated cliches, as much as I will admit that it's a major problem: LIFE SYSTEMS, GAME OVERS AND CONTINUES ARE COMPLETE AND UTTER GARBAGE!! DO WE STILL LIVE IN THE DAYS OF ARCADE CABINETS!? I DON'T THINK SO!!
this is the first video I've seen of this guy.
I love his voice and his humor.
sir, you just earned yourself a subscriber!
"A candy coated blessing from the gads ov lawl." omfg XD ahahahahahah.