forgot to mention that the only reason his name got cleared is because his great-grandson fought for it for 20 years after his death. if his family members hadn’t worked so hard to help restore his legacy, it might never have happened
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The Navy pardoning the person that got their life ruined by them 138 years later: “We did a very good thing boys, wish there was more people in the world like us.”
Oh hey there Captain McVay of the USS Indianapolis, what are you doing here? P.S: Is this the military in general or is the Navy just particularly bad about making scape goats?
I'm pretty sure it happened once. Correct me if I'm wrong but a boss needed an employee to give them a transplant to live. Then said boss fired the employee for not being there for a long time. *that was while she was still recovering.* So basically the boss fired her for taking too long to heal
@@johnathan_maximiliam I heard rumours it was because the woman had started behaving rude and privileged just because she had given her boss an organ but I’m not sure I believe that…
@@ChaoticAngelKitten I heard nothing of that when I read about it. Her boss was mad she needed time off for healing, AFTER GIVING HER A KIDNEY. It's great the boss was up and working so fast, but not everyone is so okay after SURGERY.
It’s not clear how obtaining third lieutenant was a promotion. He was first which was the executive officer’s rank. A promotion would’ve made him captain.
That’s like if all politicians were suddenly killed, leaving a postman the highest ranked politician alive, and then people blaming the postman for the current state of politics. But even dumber since this guy inly temporarily helped the captain, then returned to fighting. 😂
In 1985 I wrote a term paper about this for a high school history class. Of course, being from a small town our library was sadly lacking any actual historical books so I ended up going to a larger city to do my research. My history teacher attempted to fail me for this paper because she claimed she had never heard of it, so it never happened. A lengthy heated argument ensued in the classroom involving throwing books and raised voices, which eventually ended in me getting a three day suspension from school and a 0 grade on the paper. Three days later, I returned to school with approximately 50 different history books with accounts of this incident, which I piled up on the principals desk. I received an A for the paper and an admonishment from the teacher, for arguing with her, but a side comment from the principal saying that he appreciated my passion and willingness to stand up for myself but that I shouldn’t have argued over it in class. It was a terrible school with terrible teachers and terrible administration. Thank goodness they finally consolidated with a decent school district.
@@joshuam3081 not as much as they would have, if your mother had had an abortion. And Internet trolls like you are a level below child molesters in the scumbag hierarchy.
@@randomstuff508 but IIRC the Catholic church at the time wasn’t all that ignorant. We had astronomers and scientists as catholics. At the very least, they weren’t scoffing at the idea of scientific research because they cannot disprove each other
If you look at your comrades as your biggest enemies maybe you were the problem. I wouldn't want to have you as a comrade and I bet a lot of people didn't. You should've never joined you treasonous traitor
Funny thing is. I’ve heard QUITE a lot of people in the military feel this way. My aunt served 20 years and she said she felt like her biggest enemy wasn’t other countries but in fact her very own country the USA
I think its because he left his crew behind with him literally being in charge risking his teams life. But hey, Thats just a theory, A film theory! Thanks for watching
This is such a good example of why it is harmful to ignore the humanity of a situation. If you take a strict legalistic approach to everything, you're going to hurt good and honest people for the sake of being "right."
One of my favorite books and you are absolutely correct. I really wish they would make a miniseries based on the actual book instead of what the movies were. Don’t get me wrong the movies were great in their own way, but totally different and not nearly as good as the book.
One of the reasons why it took so long to clear his name: The US Navy had been using this guy's story as a cautionary tale about knowing & following "The Chain Of Command" & kept refusing to recognise the utter absurdity of Lieutenant Cox knowing that the entire command crew were wounded or dead. Note that he had only been an Acting 3rd Lieutenant for only a few weeks at the time of the battle.
“yeah sorry we’re over a hundred years late, hope only fixing the bare minimum of what we fricked up helps” it’s not even sad, it’s just straight up depressing
On the flipside, there was a pirate/privateer - i forget his name, but he was an enemy of the crown back in the heyday of the british empire. But he did all sorts of things trying to stop and combat the african slave trade, among other dealings, even becoming something of a local folk hero for some of the towns he recruited from. In the 1900s, despite long being dead, he was officially pardoned by the british parliament and regarded as a war hero who is now celebrated in the history books. An acknowledgement that wouldn't have happened if they had just said "Well he's dead oh well". But William here definitely got the short of end of the proverbial stick.
I remembered learning about this when reading Starship troopers honestly though the lesson the writer took from it is simply "you have so many men under your command. you can afford to have one take the captain down below. your men cannot afford to have you absent." it's nice to be a hero and carry the wounded to safety, but always remember that as an officer, you need to always be there for your men, and your men can be there for fellow officers in need.
Who would think "I'm in charge of this shit show, time to piss off with the 'captain' " Seems like he Jodies the wrong man's husband, and paid for it with his honor
@@TemmieContingenC it's the brief moment of absence that could have been a major difference is the thing, what if during the time he had gone to help, he was needed to give an order or direct the crew, what then? Who would take up the chain of command if he just dipped without warning. A lack of cohesion can be disastrous
@@cosmicfails2053 oh I meant that as in he didn’t just tend to the captain all battle, which is worse than not returning to the battle in the first place. You make a good point and I think there’s definitely more to it than “they hated this guy because he saved a life”. I still think he did a good thing but from that perspective you described it can be detrimental to your subordinates.
@@beeboopboo lineage is my guess. Its the family name. There's also an author named Josephine Cox who wrote a book I read when I was a kid. I think the title was Born Bad
It's asinine but the reasoning is, as the commanding officer, not being at his assigned station meant the enlisted men had no direction or orders to follow, potentially leading to an even bigger disaster. Ideally he should've ordered any nearby sailor to save the captain and he himself continues giving it commands instead of personally saving his captain. His story is taught as an example of the need to maintain a chain of command.
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I really love your content. Alot of unsung heroes. I love hearing about the people you talk about most of whom I have not heard of. So much of recorded history is about the kings,wars and political and religious leaders. I like to hear stories about the average person history.
That's exactly what I'm saying. It really is stupid that this happened to William. I'm Canadian and I live near parts of where the War of 1812 took place (Niagara, Ontario) I can't help but feel bad for all the lives that were lost due the War of 1812, as well as all the countless others that were wounded in general, and/or died later. It's truly a sad time in history for British soldiers, Canadian soldiers, and U.S. soldiers as well.
Man bravely fights like a true warrior and loyally manages to save his own captain from death gets labeled a coward due to a technicality involving rules he couldn’t of been aware of in the heat of a chaotic naval battle. This is why I hate bureaucracy.😤
Reminds me of a medic in ww2 who fought off japanese soldiers so the injured American soldiers could escape. There is a law against medics fighting unless it's in self-defense but it took years to clear his name.
Yea, it's a sad story. But, the fact is that the guy messed up. He should have ordered some of the men to take the captain below and stayed at his post. At the very least he should have had another officer take his command before attending to the captain. If he had done that he would have known that he was the last officer. Sure, heat of battle, the guy makes a mistake, that doesn’t make him a bad person on my eyes. But the Navy has traditionally been quite tough on officers who failed, even if the officer wasn’t really to blame for the failure. Even today, a captain of a Navy ship will likely lose his command if his ship runs aground, even if the captain was asleep in his bunk. That’s part of the burden of being an officer.
If I had a nickel for every time I saw a military of strong, brave men being led by incompetent, egotistical, arrogant leadership... well I'd have a lot of nickels.
Doesn't matter, he could have ordered any of his subordinates to carry the captain below. It was a fraught, confusing time but an officer may never leave his post!
Somethings never change. Scapegoat juniors in the military to cover the seniors incompetence is very much alive today. Especially among the trade school crowd.
There are way too many instances where good people are labeled and slandered thereby destroying their lives. That is why every day I pray for God’s mercy for everybody.
There was a similar incident that happened more recently, In the summer of 2012, A Florida lifeguard named Tommy Lopez who was 21 at the time was alerted that a man was drowning about a hundred yards down the beach. Tommy ran down the beach to find the drowning man and saved his life. However, instead of being congratulated for saving a life his boss fired him for straying too far away from his lifeguard station. Tommy had knowingly broken a rule that the lifeguard company set in place that prevents guards from leaving their station to help swimmers in trouble. This led 7 of Tommy’s fellow lifeguards to quit the job because of this incident. They chose that saving lives was was more valuable then saving their job. While these two situations are different in time and place. In essence these situations are similar in the way that an individual attempted to saved one’s life in an ocean setting but was fired or dishonored for breaking a rule that prevented them from saving the person despite knowing it or not. Moral principles are important guys. (PS. These two guys were even similar in age! Tommy was 21 while William was 23. ALSO, the war of 1812 took place from 1812 to 1815 while Tommy’s rescue took place in 2012, 200 years after the war of 1812 started.)
Imagine being dishonorably discharged for attempting to follow orders. That’s what happened to my dad. My dad was dishonorably discharged as well. He took part in the OP to capture Saddamn Hussein. He was the Captain of the first group that reportedly “failed” to capture Hussein. Truth is that he had enough time to capture Hussein but needed his buddies to help. He was court martial and when he got up on the stand, he told the military council if you redo something again, you’re wasting time, equipment, and the soldiers’ lives when the mission could’ve been accomplished once and only once.
While I was in the Navy, I knew a woman who was on watch who saw someone drowning and she dove in to save them. She saved their life and one would think this would justify leaving their post. But no. Some chief petty officer (worst ranks in the Navy) decided to try and take her to captain's mast for her to be punished for leaving her post. Thankfully the executive officer of the ship stopped her from facing any punishment. This kind of nonsense had happened for the entirety of military history.
it only took 200+ years for his name to get cleared. yea, i will always live by the statement: "believe half of what you see and none of what you hear" Interpret this as you will.
It's a wonder we still exist; how many military get screwed over because people not there when event took place decides Their Guilty. It was like what happened too The unfortunate Ship's Captain over The U.S.S Indianapolis in WWII because He didn't go down traditionally with The Sinking Navy vessel.
forgot to mention that the only reason his name got cleared is because his great-grandson fought for it for 20 years after his death. if his family members hadn’t worked so hard to help restore his legacy, it might never have happened
I was going to ask. Thanks for clearing it up!
Wow what a good Great-grandson fighting for his Great-grandpas Name
Humanity during middle and 19th century was cruel are they
But not as cringe as furry like now
i dont even know who my great grandparents was and this dude fought to restore his great grandpa's legacy is just amazing.
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The Navy pardoning the person that got their life ruined by them 138 years later: “We did a very good thing boys, wish there was more people in the world like us.”
True
Oh hey there Captain McVay of the USS Indianapolis, what are you doing here?
P.S: Is this the military in general or is the Navy just particularly bad about making scape goats?
USS Liberty incident
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Imagine getting fired from your job cause you tried to save your bosses life
I'm pretty sure it happened once. Correct me if I'm wrong but a boss needed an employee to give them a transplant to live. Then said boss fired the employee for not being there for a long time. *that was while she was still recovering.* So basically the boss fired her for taking too long to heal
@@johnathan_maximiliam I heard rumours it was because the woman had started behaving rude and privileged just because she had given her boss an organ but I’m not sure I believe that…
@@johnathan_maximiliam I've heard of that.
@@ChaoticAngelKitten I heard nothing of that when I read about it. Her boss was mad she needed time off for healing, AFTER GIVING HER A KIDNEY. It's great the boss was up and working so fast, but not everyone is so okay after SURGERY.
@@johnathan_maximiliam yeah it was cuz the boss was jealous of the doner
"You abandoned you duty as a commander"
"Wait I was promoted"
It’s not clear how obtaining third lieutenant was a promotion. He was first which was the executive officer’s rank. A promotion would’ve made him captain.
@@devtrev85 it's a joke
Have a good day bro
Nothing personal
@@gaming_with_paul0177''No you are now DEMOTED''
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That’s like if all politicians were suddenly killed, leaving a postman the highest ranked politician alive, and then people blaming the postman for the current state of politics. But even dumber since this guy inly temporarily helped the captain, then returned to fighting. 😂
The postman one is dumber.
That’s literally the plot of designated survivor
(Netflix show, if anyone’s wondering)
A postman would probably be better at politics than our current ones lol
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@@BobThePenguin. bro💀
In 1985 I wrote a term paper about this for a high school history class. Of course, being from a small town our library was sadly lacking any actual historical books so I ended up going to a larger city to do my research.
My history teacher attempted to fail me for this paper because she claimed she had never heard of it, so it never happened. A lengthy heated argument ensued in the classroom involving throwing books and raised voices, which eventually ended in me getting a three day suspension from school and a 0 grade on the paper.
Three days later, I returned to school with approximately 50 different history books with accounts of this incident, which I piled up on the principals desk. I received an A for the paper and an admonishment from the teacher, for arguing with her, but a side comment from the principal saying that he appreciated my passion and willingness to stand up for myself but that I shouldn’t have argued over it in class.
It was a terrible school with terrible teachers and terrible administration. Thank goodness they finally consolidated with a decent school district.
You were truly the William cox of that specific situation
And then Obama came and personally congratulated you and everyone clapped.
@@joshuam3081 not as much as they would have, if your mother had had an abortion. And Internet trolls like you are a level below child molesters in the scumbag hierarchy.
I don't believe you
Good job. Class is exactly the place to have such an argument.
“Oh, don’t worry. We pardoned his name 140 years after the incident! Let’s all be friends now.”
This like declaring those murdered in Salem, "Not guilty of the crime of being a witch." like a hundred years after the fact.
@@SallinKari or the catholic church admitting that Galileo was right after 500 years
tf do y’all want then? keep his name dishonourable?
@@randomstuff508 but IIRC the Catholic church at the time wasn’t all that ignorant. We had astronomers and scientists as catholics.
At the very least, they weren’t scoffing at the idea of scientific research because they cannot disprove each other
As opposed to what? Do heads need to roll in the state dept for an event literally no one or their grandchildren are alive for anymore?
As someone who served in the military, this doesn’t surprise me. My biggest enemy was my own comrades.
If you look at your comrades as your biggest enemies maybe you were the problem. I wouldn't want to have you as a comrade and I bet a lot of people didn't. You should've never joined you treasonous traitor
Sounds like a personal problem.
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If anyone wants to see some of the worst cutthroat office politics on nearly every level, join the military.
Funny thing is. I’ve heard QUITE a lot of people in the military feel this way. My aunt served 20 years and she said she felt like her biggest enemy wasn’t other countries but in fact her very own country the USA
Why I don't know of a single word that screams "I am totally, really a US veteran" like the word comrade. Are you fucking kidding me?
my only question is, why does a man saving a captain still get discharged for leaving his place? like that is some messed up stuff
Idk its 1812
1800’s logic
I think its because he left his crew behind with him literally being in charge risking his teams life. But hey, Thats just a theory, A film theory! Thanks for watching
@@20kilogramsofbigmac lie
@@dragoneternatus951 no that was literally the reason which later changed
William Cox
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I thought the same thing lol
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Good men will never be rewarded while bad men are in charge.
Couldn't have said it any better myself.
That's a fantastic quote! Amen to that! ❤
This is such a good example of why it is harmful to ignore the humanity of a situation. If you take a strict legalistic approach to everything, you're going to hurt good and honest people for the sake of being "right."
He was no coward. It is a shame that they did that to him. It's almost like he had enemies.
Holy shit... isn't this the example the Officer school teacher used in Starship Troopers when explaining duties of the officer before the field test.
Yup. Heinlein was a naval officer and would have known of this event.
Yes! I was just thinking that
Heinlein specifically used it yeah
One of my favorite books and you are absolutely correct. I really wish they would make a miniseries based on the actual book instead of what the movies were. Don’t get me wrong the movies were great in their own way, but totally different and not nearly as good as the book.
That is heartbreaking. People are so unfair and cruel and it hasn't changed in any amount of time.
In battle few things matter. Someone's life isn't as important as those who are uninjured
@@christianmoore7932 he wasn’t even aware he was the highest ranking officer who could fight. How could he be accountable?
One of the reasons why it took so long to clear his name: The US Navy had been using this guy's story as a cautionary tale about knowing & following "The Chain Of Command" & kept refusing to recognise the utter absurdity of Lieutenant Cox knowing that the entire command crew were wounded or dead. Note that he had only been an Acting 3rd Lieutenant for only a few weeks at the time of the battle.
Make a damn Momento in his Name, he deserved more than just his name. So much for fighting for the good cause.
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Poor guy): he just wanted to help
That's ridiculous. That dude deserves a fricking award
How about an award named after him...
i find it sad that you're name can often get "cleared" even tho you're already deceased..
“yeah sorry we’re over a hundred years late, hope only fixing the bare minimum of what we fricked up helps”
it’s not even sad, it’s just straight up depressing
On the flipside, there was a pirate/privateer - i forget his name, but he was an enemy of the crown back in the heyday of the british empire. But he did all sorts of things trying to stop and combat the african slave trade, among other dealings, even becoming something of a local folk hero for some of the towns he recruited from.
In the 1900s, despite long being dead, he was officially pardoned by the british parliament and regarded as a war hero who is now celebrated in the history books. An acknowledgement that wouldn't have happened if they had just said "Well he's dead oh well".
But William here definitely got the short of end of the proverbial stick.
@@lumin6464 what exactly do you want them to do? Dig the guy back up from his grave and throw his rotting skeleton a party?
I remembered learning about this when reading Starship troopers
honestly though the lesson the writer took from it is simply
"you have so many men under your command. you can afford to have one take the captain down below. your men cannot afford to have you absent."
it's nice to be a hero and carry the wounded to safety, but always remember that as an officer, you need to always be there for your men, and your men can be there for fellow officers in need.
Who would think "I'm in charge of this shit show, time to piss off with the 'captain' "
Seems like he Jodies the wrong man's husband, and paid for it with his honor
At least he returned to the fighting afterwards.
@@TemmieContingenC it's the brief moment of absence that could have been a major difference is the thing, what if during the time he had gone to help, he was needed to give an order or direct the crew, what then? Who would take up the chain of command if he just dipped without warning. A lack of cohesion can be disastrous
@@cosmicfails2053 oh I meant that as in he didn’t just tend to the captain all battle, which is worse than not returning to the battle in the first place. You make a good point and I think there’s definitely more to it than “they hated this guy because he saved a life”. I still think he did a good thing but from that perspective you described it can be detrimental to your subordinates.
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that means a ton to me. thank you!
I love the content but you're wrong anyway, and that's proof
I agree
@@andyyjiang I agree. Love your videos man 😄
This story misses a lot of key context. While Cox didn't deserve a dishonorable discharge, helping his captain is not what got him canned.
man tried to save someone’s life and was still labeled a coward.
Of course, because he abandoned his duty to do so. (He probably should have checked before going below)
That’s like being called a coward for something like walking past a murderer, and you never knew they WERE a murderer
Like- i don’t even know…
He was a brave man. Glad his reputation was finally cleaned
Aside from this story, William Cox reminds me of Minnie Cox from a video you uploaded around a week or two ago
wow you have a really good memory, but yeah it also reminded me of that story too haha
@@andyyjiang how come everyone was called Cox?
@@beeboopboo lineage is my guess. Its the family name. There's also an author named Josephine Cox who wrote a book I read when I was a kid. I think the title was Born Bad
Then there's Courtney Cox the actress who plays Monika in Friends
@@Ratchet4647 And also Charlie Cox who plays Matt Murdock in the 2015 Daredevil series
(Also, it's Monica not Monika)
A man who deserves more respect than he was given.
the world was/is messed up
You mean the u. S
@@jspo3446 as opposed to the british, who started the whole war because a country across the ocean still did business with france?
@@meair fr, literally all nations are kinda screwed up.
@@crazybird199 it is only hate separating people into nations, but for some it isn’t enough and they want to separate groups because of their hate
@@lejogamer6274 yeah
That’s the military for you. I absolutely love my military, but injustices like that happened even today.
You just know that anyone presiding over his case at the time never actually fought. Disgraceful
Learnt this in the book Starship Troopers by Robert Heinlein. Glad his name got cleared.
Well that got my blood boiling. No words for my anger. He is a Real HERO… was..and Always will be 👍👍❤️❤️🙏
Cleared in 1952.
His corpse loved that.
Glad to know his name was cleared at the ripe old age of 163
Like lifeguards who are fired for saving people not on the part of the beach they work on
Andy:- "William Cox"
Me:- *sighs* it's time to open the comments
Just proves how selfish the people in power are and how they don't really care about us.
No good deed goes unpunished.
William, what now?!
This is so messed up
He was called a coward, yet was the bravest one on the ship
Damn his parents really missed the chance to name him isaac😭
Isaac c- oh that's why....
Bro💀
I would do that if i were the dad🤓
Cox is my last name
Well in general many actually did know about his experience and thought it was unfair. It was hardliners and politicians being hypocritical.
"William Cox"
*Laugh mode activated*
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ha, Cox.
Who else was caught off guard when he said William Cox?
Me knowing it’s about something important but still laughing at cox
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It's asinine but the reasoning is, as the commanding officer, not being at his assigned station meant the enlisted men had no direction or orders to follow, potentially leading to an even bigger disaster.
Ideally he should've ordered any nearby sailor to save the captain and he himself continues giving it commands instead of personally saving his captain.
His story is taught as an example of the need to maintain a chain of command.
William Cox's surviving descendants or relatives should be compensated millions for the dishonorable discharge
Why?
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how the crap can this happen
I would have just give the win to the British if I know this is how I will be treated.
I really love your content. Alot of unsung heroes. I love hearing about the people you talk about most of whom I have not heard of.
So much of recorded history is about the kings,wars and political and religious leaders. I like to hear stories about the average person history.
Thanks for sharing unfortunately this soldier didn’t get the honor and recognition while he was still alive.
What a legend
He saved a life and got an dishonorable discharge.
This story was so good i felt Willams Cox coming inside of me!
After 130 years !!!What can I say.
William *Cox*
America invades Canada and then treats its own troops like that? How things have changed
That's exactly what I'm saying. It really is stupid that this happened to William. I'm Canadian and I live near parts of where the War of 1812 took place (Niagara, Ontario) I can't help but feel bad for all the lives that were lost due the War of 1812, as well as all the countless others that were wounded in general, and/or died later. It's truly a sad time in history for British soldiers, Canadian soldiers, and U.S. soldiers as well.
Me in History class listening to this important lesson. Also me: “heheheeh cocx 😂”
Bro was just trying to get a medkit
Hi
"Who has heard of the war of 1812 ?"
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Man bravely fights like a true warrior and loyally manages to save his own captain from death gets labeled a coward due to a technicality involving rules he couldn’t of been aware of in the heat of a chaotic naval battle. This is why I hate bureaucracy.😤
He didn't deserve what he got, but he was branded a coward for surrendering the ship in violation of his orders, not because he helped his captain.
@@deliriousdavies7552 but he only got those orders because everyone was dead he didn’t know they were dead how could he
Wait a minute, the Captain is still alive, so technically, he is still the highest command on the ship.
*who wasn't wounded
Reminds me of a medic in ww2 who fought off japanese soldiers so the injured American soldiers could escape. There is a law against medics fighting unless it's in self-defense but it took years to clear his name.
If I recall, this is referenced in starship troopers the book. It's crazy that it really happened and that it took so long to clear his name
Yea, it's a sad story. But, the fact is that the guy messed up. He should have ordered some of the men to take the captain below and stayed at his post. At the very least he should have had another officer take his command before attending to the captain. If he had done that he would have known that he was the last officer. Sure, heat of battle, the guy makes a mistake, that doesn’t make him a bad person on my eyes. But the Navy has traditionally been quite tough on officers who failed, even if the officer wasn’t really to blame for the failure. Even today, a captain of a Navy ship will likely lose his command if his ship runs aground, even if the captain was asleep in his bunk. That’s part of the burden of being an officer.
@@ThubanDraconis yeah
I think they just wanted someone to blame for the loss. Politics usually doesn’t take into account bravery and duty, he had no friends high up.
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If I had a nickel for every time I saw a military of strong, brave men being led by incompetent, egotistical, arrogant leadership... well I'd have a lot of nickels.
Ahhh, government bureaucratic technicalities. Aint it grand?
Being mistreated for trying to save a life, how typical.
man F the red coats
In war failure to do your duty has no excuse. Unfortunate, but true and necessary.
Some things in the Navy never change
Doesn't matter, he could have ordered any of his subordinates to carry the captain below. It was a fraught, confusing time but an officer may never leave his post!
I feel like sometimes in the justice system especially in this situation people can tell right from wrong but they just don’t care
Somethings never change. Scapegoat juniors in the military to cover the seniors incompetence is very much alive today. Especially among the trade school crowd.
respect for William honest respect for William
There are way too many instances where good people are labeled and slandered thereby destroying their lives. That is why every day I pray for God’s mercy for everybody.
He abandoned his duties. This was the correct decision.
What a pitiful miscarriage of justice.
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How is nobody talking about him just skipping over the name William Cox nah bruh my humour is broken💀💀💀
William Cox's father is Mike Cox💀💀
There was a similar incident that happened more recently,
In the summer of 2012, A Florida lifeguard named Tommy Lopez who was 21 at the time was alerted that a man was drowning about a hundred yards down the beach. Tommy ran down the beach to find the drowning man and saved his life. However, instead of being congratulated for saving a life his boss fired him for straying too far away from his lifeguard station. Tommy had knowingly broken a rule that the lifeguard company set in place that prevents guards from leaving their station to help swimmers in trouble. This led 7 of Tommy’s fellow lifeguards to quit the job because of this incident. They chose that saving lives was was more valuable then saving their job.
While these two situations are different in time and place. In essence these situations are similar in the way that an individual attempted to saved one’s life in an ocean setting but was fired or dishonored for breaking a rule that prevented them from saving the person despite knowing it or not.
Moral principles are important guys.
(PS. These two guys were even similar in age! Tommy was 21 while William was 23.
ALSO, the war of 1812 took place from 1812 to 1815 while Tommy’s rescue took place in 2012, 200 years after the war of 1812 started.)
Anyone else remember this from Starship Troopers?
Glad that his name was eventually restored. 👏🏻 😢
Imagine being dishonorably discharged for attempting to follow orders. That’s what happened to my dad.
My dad was dishonorably discharged as well. He took part in the OP to capture Saddamn Hussein. He was the Captain of the first group that reportedly “failed” to capture Hussein. Truth is that he had enough time to capture Hussein but needed his buddies to help. He was court martial and when he got up on the stand, he told the military council if you redo something again, you’re wasting time, equipment, and the soldiers’ lives when the mission could’ve been accomplished once and only once.
That really is tragic even moreso for being branded a coward... That's not a expression in those days that was a literal punishment
While I was in the Navy, I knew a woman who was on watch who saw someone drowning and she dove in to save them. She saved their life and one would think this would justify leaving their post. But no. Some chief petty officer (worst ranks in the Navy) decided to try and take her to captain's mast for her to be punished for leaving her post. Thankfully the executive officer of the ship stopped her from facing any punishment. This kind of nonsense had happened for the entirety of military history.
Now matter hoe much you fight for your country, your country could turn entirely against you.
it only took 200+ years for his name to get cleared. yea, i will always live by the statement: "believe half of what you see and none of what you hear" Interpret this as you will.
*"William Cox"* -💀💀💀
It's a wonder we still exist; how many military get screwed over because people not there when event took place decides Their Guilty.
It was like what happened too The unfortunate Ship's Captain over The U.S.S Indianapolis in WWII because He didn't go down traditionally with The Sinking Navy vessel.
Dishonorable discharge? If that happened now, he’d get the medal of honor
I bet that happens more than people think, and in the opposite, someone gets credit for someone else's bravery or sacrifice. Glad They Cleared Hs name